The Bossticks - A Very Good Girl Talk Ft. Bryony Deery & Lauryn Bosstick

Episode Date: October 1, 2026

#1,011: Join Lauryn Bosstick as she sits down with Bryony Deery – Pilates instructor, entrepreneur, mother, author, and founder of Pilates by Bryony. In this episode, Lauryn and Bryony get into an honest conversation about motherhood, wellness, and building a life and business on your own terms. They discuss preparing your body for pregnancy, postpartum wellness, the power of Pilates, and the importance of protecting your time, privacy, and energy in an always-on world. Bryony shares how she stays disciplined while balancing motherhood and business, and why creating boundaries with social media leads to more presence and connection. Plus, Bryony breaks down how she turned her passion for Pilates into a business, why staying niche matters, and how she built a community that continues to grow with her.   For Detailed Show Notes visit TheBossticks.com   To connect with Bryony Deery click HERE   To connect with Lauryn Bosstick click HERE   Read More on The Skinny Confidential HERE   Head to our ShopMy page HERE and LTK page HERE to find all of the products mentioned in each episode.   Go to https://www.pilatesbybryony.com and use code SKINNY for a free 7 day trial on the app and 20% off all equipment and journals.    This episode is sponsored by The Skinny Confidential  Reduce puffiness and boost radiance with The Skinny Confidential Mint Roller, now available at http://shopskinnyconfidential.com.    This episode is sponsored by HERS Ready to reach your goals? Visit http://forhers.com/skinny to access personalized, affordable care for weightloss, hair, menopause, and more.   This episode is sponsored by Wayfair Head to http://Wayfair.com to shop all things home.   This episode is sponsored by Omni-biotic Visit http://skinny.omnibioticlife.com and use code SKINNY for 20% off your first order.   This episode is sponsored by Merit Beauty Right now, Merit Beauty is offering our listeners their Signature Makeup Bag – which if you've seen it, it's not just a make-up bag but really an accessory – free with your first order at http://meritbeauty.com.   This episode is sponsored by Cash App Download Cash App Today: https://click.cash.app/ui6m/uauja2gy #CashAppPod   This episode is sponsored by Zenni Go to http://zenni.com/podcast and use code PODCAST15 for 15% off your first order, plus free shipping on all US orders over $65.    This episode is sponsored by Sam Edelman Visit us at http://samedelman.com to explore everything you need for Fall and get 15% off with code SKINNY15. Produced by Dear Media

Welcome to the Bostics, starring Lauren Bostic and Michael Bostic. Together, they are the Bostics. My very good friend, Brianie Deary is back. Brini is an author, the founder of Pilates by Brianie, a mother and an entrepreneur. She does it all. Brianie, welcome back to the Bostics. I find the older that I get and the more kids that I have, if someone's mad at me for not being responsive,

I don't know that I'm the friend for them. No, I agree. I mean, I've had one baby, and I already feel like this. I don't know how you feel after three. It blows my mind that people have more than one child. I'm like, wow, every time I speak to one of my friends who has more than one child, I'm like, tell me everything. Because it's a wild ride. It's so funny because when you text me that, I was you.

I was texting all my friends with three children being like, I don't know how you did this. And when you text me that, I was like laughing because you and I are so similar. It's the exact feeling that I had. It's that I don't know how you have three. That's crazy. And I would be obsessed with people who had like four or five. Yeah.

I was like, this is. Like fascinating. It's like an exhibit. Yeah. So I totally get where you're at. You forget. You forget. Okay.

And how do you feel with three? I love three. Three is a good number? Are we doing more? I have to be honest. I feel you may have more. I'm flexible to more. Nice.

I told you if I didn't gain... If I didn't gain 60 pounds per pregnancy. Yeah. I would do six. Okay, I love that. I love children. I do see you as a bit of a Christiana, like full house, like big family Christmases. So nice.

I love it. I love the texture of it. And I think it creates a lot of different dynamics to your point as you grow up. And I always picture when Michael and I are like 75 years old and we're out and we're at a restaurant and there's fun music playing. Like I picture a big. Happy family. Yeah. And listen, if that's capped at three, I would be just fine.

But I'm flexible to whatever happens, happens. But we need to talk about you. Because here's thing. Like I said, I gained 60 per kid. Yeah. This situation, I told you I want to strangle you when you walk in. So unfair. I see you pregnant.

You're the cutest, sweetest, most beautiful, angelic, pregnant person. Okay. My husband would beg to differ, I think, on the angel. Casper. No. And also, I did not feel small at all when I was pregnant. And honestly, and I wasn't. And you know what was so crazy was the cellulite on my legs?

She probably had one. No, no, I promise you, I had cellulite in my toes. It was crazy. But what I will say is that it changed. It did go back to how I was after I would say like the three month mark. I'm not saying my body went back. I'm saying the cellulite because it was crazy during pregnancy for me. You have done, I think, such a good job.

of building the foundation before you got pregnant with all the fitness that you do. I think you primed your body for it almost. So I got married a month before I got pregnant. So I was in athlete mode. And I feel like when you have a baby, before you have a baby, you need to go into athlete mode. You need to be on your game, on your health game, feeling great. When I say this, I don't mean like 100% healthy.

in bed 8 p.m. I love going out. I love margaritas. I love going out for dinner. I have a very, very balanced life. But I'm just saying the 80% just be your healthiest, strongest version. Do the workouts, do the mindset stuff, do all the work in that time. Because it makes such a difference. Where were you with my first baby? That's not what I did. Also, I feel like, well, it gets you into the zone, but you can then continue the workouts when you're pregnant. If you get into the strongest shape of your life pre-pregnancy, then you can continue that. Firstly, you can, unless you have any like medical reason or your doctor says to not exercise, you can continue exercising in the exact same way for your whole first trimester. Obviously then you make the modifications,

but you're strong. You're like you have such a good foundation and obviously, parties is incredible for labor. I can talk about helping like tools and things for labor. But yeah, it really helped me during my pregnancy. It really helped me postpartum. Why is it incredible for labor? So the way that your body moves, the way that you create alignment, when you're pregnant, your body is so out of whack in terms of hormones, but also in terms of your spine. if you think about how much your stomach is brought forward and you're just in this really crazy shape.

Like the pressure that is on your spine is insane. So the more Pilates that you can do, the more work on your body as a complete system, the better. The better your foundation is. So it's incredible for your mobility during pregnancy, but it's amazing for birth as well. It's so good. And then obviously you have it postpartum.

I feel like it also tightens your pelvic floor. Yeah. Oh, 100%. Helps the pushing maybe. Yeah, I mean, I was really lucky. I had a great birth. And I think a lot of that is down to luck. And I think a lot of it is down to me kind of like increasing my surface area of luck and doing all the workouts.

I was doing workouts the day before I gave birth. I also did the epineau. Did you do the epineau? No one has done the epineau. And I'm like, guys, do it. So good. I don't know what that is. I feel like a spokesperson for the epine at this point, but it's basically this balloon. You insert it into yourself. You pump it up. So the balloon expands. You hold it, and you breathe it out. So you literally give birth to a balloon. I did it two weeks before birth.

How often are you doing that? Every other day. And I had no, this is TMI, but I had no tearing, no cutting, no stitches, nothing. I got a little husband stitch. Nice. Okay, you went in for a bit of an extra nip-and-tuck. I mean, I definitely would have done that. So you put a balloon up your vagina. Yeah. And you, you know, it was amazing for obviously, like, physically preparing for birth, stretching yourself. But it was very, very effective for the visualization of birth. You were mentally rehearsing birth. That makes so much sense. And I think that's so genius because you're getting yourself to your point in the mindset. Yeah, so it was really weird. I could feel how birth would feel. Obviously, a balloon is very different to a child, but it was that connection to the breath work you had to breathe this balloon. Hold on. I have a couple questions about this balloon. I'm actually not very woo-woo. I just want to say. I'm a bit more black and white. I can be like a little bit woo-woo, but this makes me sound quite crazy. I'm aware of that. The TikTok that's going to go live that you put a balloon up your vagina and gave birth to it. And then say,

and I said she's not woo-woo is very bostics coated. It's very bostics-coded. Welcome to the show. Seriously. Well, I got a balloon and shoved it up. But what is the balloon filled with? Nothing.

Hold on. No, it's not filled air. It's not filled air. In your vagina. Well, I didn't really think of that, but no. What if it hurt? Like, imagine the popping. It's quite robust, this balloon.

It's not like a, like a kids party balloon. Oh, I'm thinking like a, like a. No, no. It's like, so it's attached to a cord. You pump up the cord. The balloon expands and it's quite a thick balloon. And you kind of like, you know when they say, oh, you're five centimeters dilated? Okay.

You create that with the balloon. And each, I was like addicted. I was so competitive with that. I was like, oh, six, yes. And then the next day I'd go wider, wider, wider. So did the balloon help you get to the point where you were ready to give birth? Well, no, it helped prepare my body for birth. It didn't like bring on birth.

Got it. So it just stretched me essentially. But what if it does pop? I mean, I guess they're quite tested. Okay. It's thick. I'll try anything. I don't think it would ever.

And also if it popped, then it's fine. It's just air. You don't think it would hurt like a, oh. Maybe, but I mean, it didn't feel great. Thank God it didn't pop. Thank God. And you can only use a balloon to do this. You can't use other things.

Yeah, don't try other things. My mind's going to a hundred other things. Please don't experiment. Just a balloon. Just the balloon. And it's called the epi-no, which means no episiotomy, which is no tearing, no cutting. So it prepares you to not have the tearing. That's actually very genius.

And also, so it did prepare me for that, but it definitely, I am obsessed by visualization and mentally rehearsing all the things. And that really helped me. You've visualized a lot with what you're doing. I know that about you. Like, I just feel the energy. I see your Instagram. I know that just personally about you.

When you visualized your birth, did you visualize a strong, beautiful, like, what were your points that you were going to? I was, it wasn't kind of like this airy, fairy magical thing. It was more like, I'm in the zone. I'm in control. I'm calm. I can do this. I'm confident in my body.

body and at the same time I was listening I know you love Louise Hay as well I was listening to louise Hay affirmations I didn't have a music playlist I just had Louise Hay affirmations oh great so it was all as well I can do this I'm in control of my body so it was like me stepping into my confidence basically and familiarizing myself with the situation to make me feel more calm inside epidural or no epidural epidural epidural but I had a small dose of the epidural so I wanted to feel my contractions because I have another theory, which is if you cannot at all feel your contractions, you don't know when to push. So if you're just pushing, pushing, pushing, you're missing potentially the moments where you should push,

so then you're pushing more and more so then maybe you tear. Totally agree with that. So I had a little bit of an epidural, which was quite a crazy experience, but I felt my contraction so I could breathe with the contraction. I was pushing that epidural pen like you've never seen anyone pushing. They would walk away. I was like, how many times can I press this button? It's wild, isn't it?

I was pressing it and pressing it and pressing it. I think I pressed it too much. Yeah. I think I pressed it until it was out. It is quite insane. Listen, I feel like I'm such an intense person that I am either like, let's do no epidural. If you had that balloon, it would for sure pop because you'd be like pumping it up. imagine that's the problem yeah you would have to too intense yeah it's it's like i don't know

i don't know when to stop the balloon might pop that's why i think i asked that question now that you're a mother yes what has that been like on the other side of what you thought it would be to what it actually is okay so first thing i am so obsessed by my little girl she is just like she is just joy in honestly she's smiling and pure she's constantly smiling like she's the easiest little thing to make smile everyone makes her smile she's so cute so I love being her mom and it's it is amazing being a mom I really feel that I will say it's a wild ride hormonally that I underestimated

and right now hopefully this is a tip if anyone's feeling anything like slightly off postpartum. For me, it's a week before I ovulate. No, sorry, a week before my period is when I feel anxious. So that's been since having a baby. So I did blood test and then someone told me to do a Dutch test. So I did a Dutch test. Have you heard of that? So blood tests can be quite hit or miss because it depends where you are in your cycle and all these things. If you do a Dutch test, you pee on a stick five times over the course of 24 hours when you're at a certain point in your cycle so that the reading is very clear. So it told me all these crazy things. Is it a pee test or a blood test that you do after you pee on the stick? Like your pee

oh, so you would you would complement it with a blood test because the more information they have the better. I could do a pee test instead of a blood test. No, it's more comprehensive on the P test. But you use the P test to find out when to take the blood test. No, no. You use it. No, you don't have to do a blood test if you don't want to. I don't. But like, for example, if you wanted to test your thyroid, you could go in deeper on the blood test. But the Dutch test shows you all your hormones. It's so in depth. Just by peeing. Yeah. Oh my God, I got to do that. I hate blood so much. It's really interesting. And I feel like it will help people, hopefully. So you took that test and what happened. So I took that test and then I did a consultation with a doctor and then they will

subscribe me different supplements based on my specific thing. And has it helped? So I'm just kind of at the beginning stage of it. But I mean, it should. I'm trying everything. So I'll report back. But I definitely feel that that makes sense to me to do that. You know what's made the biggest difference in my postpartum recovery besides lifting weights? What? Cranial sacral. Oh, I've heard you speak about this. I'm so into it. I love that.

If you get anxious before your period, also try cranial sacral. Okay. And the baby? Oh, yeah. So good for the babies. Oh, I love all those things for the babies. See if they do it where you guys are bouncing around. Yeah.

See if they do it where you guys are. I'm sure they do. 100% do. It's quite a Spanish thing, I think. It's so amazing for the baby. I love, I give her a massage every day. and she's all over it with coconut oil. She's so cute.

I feel like her and Bond need to meet immediately. I know. Ellen Bond. How cute. El Bostic. That has a ring. St. Bartz. 2000 58.

Whatever the fuck. Whenever we get around to it. We need to do a St. Bart's trip immediately. We really do. We need to bring the kids and we need to have a whole party. And Casper can drink his six espressoes. Yeah. Back to back, double.

Yeah. We can have a full party. Yeah. So after having a baby, you mentioned one more. Is that, yes? I do think, I mean, Casper's like, whoa, we literally just had our first. Let's just take a minute. But I think naturally women plan.

Right. And they feel like, okay, you know, like having a career and having your own business, you do kind of. And for me, I'm teaching every day. I'm filming classes. I'm doing all these things. So it is a bit of a planning, scheduling thing. So I would love to because I just love Elle so much. And I feel like if having a sibling would make her life happier and better,

then I would not want to not give her that if that makes sense. Makes sense. But it's not because I'm like, oh, I want more of Elle. I'm very happy with Elle. It's more because I love her so much. I want her to have the best. And of course then, if I have a second baby, I'll be completely madly in love with that baby.

Yes, you will. Everyone's like, I don't know how. each one is unique. Yeah. But also, I heard someone talking about this the other day. Like, if you have one and you're happy with one, I think you could just, some people have no kids. Like, are I quite, I like the idea of a big age gap as well. I think that that's quite nice.

There's a lot of, everyone should just do their thing. Totally could not agree more. It's just. There's this theory, I forgot what it's called. Maybe someone can tell me about it where it's, you see a recipe for chicken soup on Instagram. And you look at the comments and people are like, well, what if you're vegetarian? Well, what if you don't like salt? Well, what if you're gluten-free and this has gluten in it? Not everything is for everyone. Yeah, I agree with that. Like, it's just chicken soup. And it's

like wellness, like all the, all the wellness things, it's overwhelming for most people. Like all of the 5am, the red light, the this, that it's too much. And I think actually, actually, we need to strip everything back and focus on the fundamentals. I also think certain things work better for certain people. I have to put my eyes in the sun when I wake up. Yeah, I love that. I just do. My body craves it. I agree.

It feels good. I don't want to look at my phone first thing in the morning. That's something that's like no matter where I am in the world, I want to go outside and put my eyes in the sun. Yeah, I agree. someone else might not feel like that. Yeah. They might want to wake up and scroll Instagram and like to each its own.

Yeah. I think flexibility is a really important thing. I agree. And I also think that with wellness, like I often find that we try to run before we can walk, but the basics are what we're missing. So maybe there's someone that's not sleeping very well or not getting, you know, sunlight in their eyes in the morning or all of these or actually having social interaction. That's a big thing right now.

Like no one's socializing. No one goes out. Well, we are tomorrow. We are. We for sure. I can't wait. But I just think that no one goes out anymore and that's so sad. And there's this like missing peace to wellness these days.

I sound like I'm like 85 year old grandma. I agree with you. But I do feel that there's this movement towards like and it's partly like, the no drinking thing, which doesn't bother me at all. Like, if you don't want to drink, I don't think you should drink. But I think it's causing people to stay in as like an alternative, whereas actually I think it's so important to have social connection and in real life connection. I agree with you. And I think it's interesting for me as an interviewer because I get to interview all different ages from 20 all the way to 80. Yeah. And you can tell when you speak to a

20-year-old, especially early 20s, that they have spent a lot of time with the phone in their face. Yeah. And listen, I have two, so I'm not here to judge it. Same. But I do believe that we are losing the art of conversation. Yes, definitely. And you almost have to stretch your mental capacity to get off the phone and go out to your point and meet different people and get interested in other people and be curious and have

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100%. And look at the, I always talk about the blue zones, but look at the blue zones. Like, they're living past 100, and they are meeting at 5pm every night, having a glass of wine in the village, like seeing each other. And I just think there's just so. much of like how people used to live that we could apply to our lives now before all the tracking all the other things that we obsess over like start with that I think I totally agree with you yeah how are you and I'm curious for my own self yes balancing all that you have going on you're

building your empire you're doing your app we've got a book that we're going to talk about we've got product, you're posting content, and now you've added mother to your resume. Yeah. How are, and I don't know if balance is the right word, how are you managing all of it? I think it goes up and down. Some days I'm like, whoo, I've got this. I am like thriving. I can do all the things. And then other days I'm like, I look like I've just been dragged through a bush backwards. and it's not, it's not chic. And it's just the way it goes.

I don't think I ever feel like, oh, I'm managing things so well. But I try and do things that help me. So there are a lot of things that I will kind of manage in my day. Like I am obsessed by routine. And my routines change since having a baby. But I like a certain routine. What's your routine? You know I'm going to ask you that.

No, I don't. It's funny to, it's not so much. much a routine, it's just routine, like in my day. For example, I need to be more flexible now that I have a baby. Right. So my routine will ebb and flow, but I still have a routine, but it's not the same routine every day, if that makes sense. Totally. But like the day before, I'll plan my next day and make sure I'm getting all the things in that I need to do. So my workout, my walks, I'll do things with L, like I can go on a walk with L. I'll do my workout, like whenever I can fit that in, but I make sure I fit it in. I'll have, like, I have to have,

this is my one thing that is a routine that does never change, never changes. I have to have complete silence in the morning. Like, if, if, if you leave Casper and I leave my goal, let's just go off to a country together. That sounds great, complete silence. I am very, and actually that was one thing I really noticed after having a baby. I was very, like, over-stimulated by noise. So I love complete silence, first thing in the morning. And even if it's 10 minutes, I'll just sit there, I'll write in my journal, I'll read, I'll make a drink, I'll literally stare into space. I will do whatever I can in silence, whatever feels good. What if Casper comes in and starts? He does not. He never does. When I wake up, I give him my eye mask. He in his sleep

puts my eye mask on his face because he thinks, oh God, now she's going to do all the things. So he gives you the space to be able to do that. I don't think he's giving me the space. I think he's giving himself the space. He's not like, I'm going to give this to her. He's like, I'm going to have two more hours in bed. One thing that's great about an age difference that I think, Michael and I don't have one.

No, you don't because you went to school together. Right. One thing that's great about an age difference is like, you know, men can be a little immature. And what's great is you sort of get his evolved. wise owl energy. Do you know what I mean? It wouldn't be the same if he was 20 years younger. I really agree.

I feel like, I mean, everyone is, everyone would talk so highly of their husband, but I really do feel he's given me this calm sense of, like, I can achieve and do anything. And he gives me that wisdom, like we were just saying, I don't think we were on air when we're talking about this, but we were saying that people, no, I think maybe we were talking about this on air, sorry, I miss that, about how the, like, 20 years earlier, it was very different, like people were having more conversations, like people were building businesses differently. Like, I love to look at business owners or old marketing books and things like that and get inspiration from them,

because it's such a unique point of difference nowadays, rather than looking at Instagram or Pinterest, I just feel that everyone has served the same algorithm. So talking to someone like Casper or reading a book on, I don't know, like Ralph Lauren or an old marketing branding book, you get such, you get exhilarated by it. We were just having this conversation in the car. I cannot believe you said that. No way.

I saw this thing by Merritt Beauty where it says that she gets magazines from the 1940s. Oh, wow. And it gets inspired in other ways. For me, it's through reading. Like, I will buy all my books off thrift books. I want to find a book that's like, I just got this one that's, I'm going to send you the link. And it's St. Laurent's house with Pierre. Oh, nice.

And it's just fresh because it's not what everyone else is doing. and you're right about the algorithm. If we're all consuming the same algorithm, we don't have unique perspective. I completely agree. And what makes people interesting is their unique perspective? 100%. And creating like if you do have a brand, like with us on the app, for example, I didn't want to take any inspiration from anyone in the fitness world. Like I wanted to go completely my other way, my own way. And I think something else that you can do is go to like galleries, go to museums, go and be cultured. And I think that that like takes us out of this like warped internet world that we're sucked into, which obviously is so amazing. Like it's such a good business tool as well.

And there are so much of that that does inspire. I mean, I love looking at people's outfits and things like that. But I do think we need to take ourselves out of that every now and then. I have a prediction that I think the more interesting that your outfit is or your content in the next couple years, that's what's going to stand out. Like, even things that are hand drawn as opposed to like AI generated or graphics, I think people are craving that. That real touch. Definitely. Different. I think so.

And I think you're even going to see that with podcasts. You know, when you launch a podcast, I always tell people like, what is your, you know, what is your? unique edge. And you mentioned something earlier and I saw this on because of marketing this morning is you are doing something really different than the rest of the fitness community. And when I read that, I was like, bull's eye. She's got it. Maybe you can talk about how you came to that decision and what that decision is. Yeah. So thank you for saying that because I really respect you and your marketing brain. But yeah, we will firstly, we actually were community before products. So I had no business, but I had a community, not an Instagram community, a Pilates community on Zoom.

It was manual. It was like chaotic. We did an episode at the very beginning kind of of my journey. So like, I don't know when that was when we, two, three years ago. You guys to go listen to that episode. It's one of my favorite episodes we've ever done. Thank you. Like Michael and I have ever done, I love that episode because there's so many, it has range. I love range. By the way, I just want to caveat this, because as I say this, this cringes me out beyond belief, but I have to like step into it because I am launching a book. I have written a book. But I wrote about that episode in the book.

It was a special episode. There's a chapter on visualization, and I write about that episode. I just think our energy with the three of us, it's just like worked. No, I love it. Yeah. Okay, so I had a community before the product. So I was teaching on Zoom. I had 10 people on Zoom.

then they were telling their friends. It was so old school. It was not ads. It was not like, oh my God, she looks so cool. Like, there was none of that. There was no coolness. And I heard about it from Kenzie Burke on Instagram. Exactly.

So it grew like a tumbleweed. It completely grew organically and naturally. And it was zero vibes. It was just pure Pilates. I was in my studio apartment. The laptop was hanging off the kitchen counter. Like, it wasn't a cool girl, it girl thing at all. So I think that that is the one point of difference.

I feel now, nowadays you hear this like community word being thrown around and everyone says community, oh my gosh, my community and it's like a tick box phrase. And you can tell if it's, you can tell 100% if it's genuine or if it's not genuine. And yeah, sorry, that's like a tangent. But we have such an amazing community. And then we built the app because the community grew on Zoom. we couldn't have like thousands of people on Zoom anymore. It was very manual and scrambling.

It wasn't manufactured. No, it wasn't. And then on the point of difference, I think for me, I, again, I don't know whether this is like an identity thing after having a baby, but I really was just, I did not resonate with anything in the fitness industry. And it's not to say I don't respect them and look up to them and think that they're incredible. But there wasn't something that was like calling out for me. Like I didn't really connect with something. And I think that that was because everything felt so wide. Everyone was

adding so many things, like trying to be all of the things to everyone on the app. So I decided to just not do any of that and go all in on Pilates. So basically being the number one destination online for Pilates, not for strength training, not for yoga, not for any of those things, which, by the way, I love and I do strength train. But I want you to strength train somewhere else. I want you to come to us for Pilates. It's so genius. If you're trying to appeal to everyone, you're speaking to no one. I completely agree. And I also think that with Pilates, there's a certain amount, especially classical Pilates. Like, there's so much heritage in the original form of Pilates. you love classical Pilates.

And it's so transformative. And I feel that you need to, if you are a classical teacher, like there's so much respect in that world. So I want to go deep on that. Like I'm such a Pilates nerd. You know, like I'm studying Pilates for scoliosis, endometriosis, all these things that can really help people. So I think if I'm trying to be a strength training app,

the Pilates loses its meaning. you're going niche, not wide. Exactly. And it was actually, to be honest, it was something I was like debating with myself because naturally there is this pressure to go wide. Scale, big. Scale, go wide, do all the things. Add this trainer, add this method, whatever.

And part of me was thinking, should I do that? And then I just, I wasn't actually doing it and I just really listened to my gut. And I thought, no, I'm going to, I'm going all in on this. So we will never be. I think it's also restraint is very important. Let's talk about restraint. I'm so into that word. It's so good, isn't it?

But I think with brands, and I'm by the way, I am by no means an expert. So please take this with a pinch of salt. This is just my point of view. Oh, my God. Everyone always has to do a disclaimer for everything. No, but I do feel that. You don't need to do that. Don't worry.

No, but I am not, I'm not. I do think you are a brandy expert. I love you. Well, I am my own little expert, but I'm not, you know, I'm 34 years old. I'm not Diane von Furstenberg that can. You're on your way. Anyway, okay, thank you. But I think that restraint is really important with building a brand.

And I think, think about what you are, but more importantly, think about what you are not. That's a great tip. Yeah. So right, even if. you're like a startup and you want to or you have an idea, I would say like to get you down the niche specific road, maybe even work on what you are not before what you are. So who are you not speaking to? What are you not doing? What words are you never using? Like we don't use fitness coded language, for example. And we're very specific on what we do.

and what we do not do. I think that there is a lot to be said about having negative space and discernment. And I've learned this the hard way because, you know, you do want to grow big and you do want to do do everything, but you can't. And that's not like to like deter anyone from their dreams. it's more effective to become a master at something to do one thing over and over and over and over and rinse and repeat. 100%. And I think knowing that you are stretching yourself is also a good thing because you don't want to half-ass things. Like I had a podcast with you guys, which I adored and loved, but I've

taken a pause on that because I can't do all the things right now. So that was one thing I had to, and it was such a hard decision. But I can come back to that when, when it's time. Do you know what I mean? You can always come back to it. Yeah. And the good thing about your podcast is to your point of view. And I also think, too, and I would tell you this off air, that there's nothing bad about taking a commercial break sometimes. And I don't just mean on podcasts. I take a commercial break all the time on Instagram story. Yes. We're not getting every single second to the moment I wake up to the moment I go to bed every day.

Yeah. I need to recharge. I think the audience, like a commercial. break on everything. Even like branding, if I feel like I'm just launching, launching, launching product, it doesn't get me excited. I don't think it's the audience excited. I feel like you need commercial breaks and seasons in your life. Definitely. And like real moments as well, make the moments fewer and far between, but more special. I think that that is really what you just said about restraint. It's really going to be the theme moving forward. I agree. And if you look at like, for example, the popularity of Substac, it's what, like typically people have one article a week. It's nice. So nice. You read, you look forward to that one article. Do you remember when you'd

like watch a show and then it was like, we can't watch that show until next Wednesday? Like it was the most exciting thing when Wednesday would come around. Whereas now everything's just so available to us and we're not appreciating things. Agreed. Same with Instagram story though. Do you ever see like when someone has 7,000? Me today, yeah. Well, okay, today, but then like maybe like this weekend you take a beat.

I like a little beat. I also find it so hard to not. I always repost. Do you know what I mean? Like I'm not the person that's like, oh, I'm not re I'm the reposter. Well, you know what you can do. If you feel like you need a break from Instagram story, I'll just save the repost and post it when I'm going. Does that make sense?

How do you save it? I'll show you. So like if I post you today, instead of you feeling like, oh, my God, I need to post this right now, you could save it and post it on Saturday. And it still looks like it came from my account. Wow. Yeah, if you're feeling like you need to repost all the time, you could save it and batch it. That's a good tip. Yeah, I think that we're so obsessed with presence.

Yeah. Little absence, never heard of flee. Yeah. It's a little bit. Like, give it a little air. I agree with that. Like you said, you look forward to your show. Yeah.

And I think we need more of that, for sure. And that's a work in progress. I agree. And I'm trying that now. But everything's just so available and tempting. everything's available from the postmates to the Uber to it's also available what's sexy is a little mystery 100% and I would also think like try and think long term as well like if someone is very very available to you are you going to be so excited about them and like the virality thing I would much rather slow and

steady wins the race, then one viral post that, like, kicks off, and then afterwards you just die a death. Also, I've noticed when someone goes super viral, the only way you can go is down. Yeah. Isn't that hard ball? I know. Oh, it freaks me out. So when you grow exponentially and it's slow and it's thoughtful and you're really building, like, I always say the three little pigs, like the house of brick, brick by brick by brick. It's a little bit more rewarding, I think, than just going viral. And then it's like you almost experience stretch. Yeah.

Nothing's ever as good as that first hit. Yeah, I so agree. Tell us about what your life is like on a daily basis with a baby. We kind of were touching on it, but I want to know more details. So, meaning like, this is like a niche question, but what time does you? your nanny come? Do you have a nanny? Is Casper helping? I want to know all the little details. So Casper is always around. Like I am really lucky with that. He's hands on. He's hands on, which is such a weird phrase. Like who says that about a mom? No one says she's such a hands on mom.

No one asks Michael if he has a nanny. No. So yeah, exactly. So yeah, Casper, I'm really lucky with the age gap. He's kind of done his going into the office thing. And now he's in a different like phase of his life. He posted something, he doesn't, he didn't post, someone else posted a thing with him the other day and they said, what are you building? And he said a family. So that is very his vibe right now. So I'm lucky in that sense because I can travel knowing Elle's at home with her dad and she's fine. We also have a nanny called Nora, who is just my favorite person ever. And she just basically lets me work Monday to Friday. Like I can get things done during the day. But she's so like part of our life now that it's I don't feel like awkward if I would go and take Elle for a bit like

it's very kind of fluid right now and I think that's working for me at the moment so I think that that will change but it's just so helpful knowing from eight until I put L to bed I have that extra pair of hands so that's a big one and that is also a big privilege so yeah we um we have we have a lot of help. Day to day I'm I'm just I just think I'm a Pilates teacher like I don't think of myself as this like brand builder business owner so I am day to day teaching Pilates I'm training I'm I'm teaching on the app I'm recording classes I'm working on new things within the app so as we were talking about like specific Pilates for certain injuries or posture posture I think

is a huge. I know. Can you help me with my posture? Please. Can I just say posture? Again, not to be that annoying person. I've written so much about posture in the book because I think good posture leads to more opportunities. Agreed. And I've seen that in myself. Like I am the product. What should we be doing for our posture? Tell us what to do. Okay. So of course you do. As I sit up. Specifically, you need to do classical Pilates because Joseph Pilates said, you've got good posture. I work at it. And especially after having a baby, you're hunched over, holding them all the time. So, okay, there's a few things I would say.

So Joseph Pilate says you're only as young as your spine is healthy. He's obsessed by spine health. So a lot of classical work is on the spine. So that's one thing. The other thing that you can do is if you ever do get massages, massage, tell them to really go deep inside your shoulder. because so much of us have tightness there because we're hunched, we're holding onto our phone, we're on our laptop, so do like a sports massage I have here.

You've got to be on your phone like Iqabod crane. Like you can't look down, you've got to look up like Iqabod. Exactly. And I always think like almost tell yourself, like if you're going into a room, think before you walk into that room, okay, shoulders down, chest open, I'm ready to receive all the opportunities in this room. Everything's happening for me. Everything's happening for me. Everything's flowing easily to me.

Everything is coming to me with ease. And I think if you have like an open chest and good posture, you walk in more confident. No one is drawn to the person. I'm saying this with like complete like personal experience. I used to be the other person. People were not drawn to me when I was hunched over playing with my hair on my phone. That energy, I was giving off the energy, don't speak to me. which I didn't want, of course, that was subconscious,

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Is it the silence in the morning? What are the things that you do when you walk into a room to, it's a vibration? And you know what I'm talking about. Well, firstly, I think if you're a good person, you come across more warm, I think. Yes. So I think having warm energy is a good start. And I think making eye contact is a big thing. Yes. Eye contact is so important because again, you're putting that person at ease. If you don't have eye contact and you're a bit shifty, they're a bit unsettled. And then the energy in the room is a bit off. Yeah. So I think definitely being personal as well, like asking them questions about themselves saying hello like greeting people telling like treating everyone as you would like to be treated I think is really important like don't think about I don't know like if if this is

I guess some people might think oh I want to get to that person in the room and they're like razor focused on that person I don't know I'm just trying to think of like scenarios there's a lot but I think actually you should be you should treat everyone with kindness and respect not for any reason other than that's just like a human that's like a standard my grandma used to say get outside yourself i think you do a really good job of that some people i think walk in the room and they're they're essentially like looking in the mirror not really like not literally figuratively and other people walk in the room and they're looking out the window yeah and i feel like you're looking out the window i i feel like you're looking out the window i You had me and some of my best friends' family over to your house, and some of them you hadn't met yet,

and you could not have been more warm. And they all commented on it. And I have, you know, Weston, who's like so energetic. He's so sweet. He was so blown away by the way that you, it was like an ease. Well, I've not always been like this. Like, I used to be so self-conscious, so unconfident, and I really had to teach myself self-belief. Like I used to think, oh, like, I can put on confidence.

So I'm a confident person. I must have self-belief. But I was so self-conscious. I was terrible at public speaking, like, so anxious, all these things. I would literally, like, want to choke, throw up, like, all of these things. And I've changed my life. Like, I really have changed that. So I do think that everyone can do this.

I definitely think it's important to know the difference between confidence and self-belief. and self-worth. Confidence is very external. So confidence is more like if you're thinking about a tree, confidence is like the branches. If it's windy, they're shaking, they're like unstable. They might come off every now and then, whereas self-belief is the roots of the tree. You will always have self-belief once you work on it. That's something that doesn't waver and it's not like confidence is more of a mood. What is your playbook and your tools that you go to to build your self-worth? Okay, so I have like a full workshop in the book after every single chapter and self-belief

is the first chapter. So people can go to your book, which you're going to tell us about, and they can actually see the actual tools. Give us a few of them. Well, firstly, I just want to say, like, the reason I wrote this is because I've changed my life, I've also noticed that all these women that are on the app, thousands of women that are on the app, have changed their life. And they've changed their life starting with movement. So Pilates was the catalyst to all these other things. So I became obsessed by studying this, studying them,

studying my own journey. So the book is essentially self-belief, visualization, routine, discipline, mind-body connection, and community. It's so you. Those are the pillars. It's refreshing. It's so you. There's nothing about tracking. There's nothing about data. There's nothing about red light therapy. Even though I love a little red light therapy, there's nothing about that. These are just the simple tools every single person can start the second that they pick up the book. What do you not have time for? Hmm. I... What are you like swiping away from you? That's a good question. I think that... it's more a case of what do I have time for. I don't really think. Maybe this is like an energetic thing where I'm not focusing on what I don't have time. That feels quite negative. Like you're feeling you're you're going towards more of the things you do have time for. Exactly. Okay so tell us

what you have time for. I'm very specific about that. So like for example on this trip I'm away from Elle. Elle's at home with my mom and dad and Nora. So she's fine. She's sorted. But I'm here with Casper. So I'm here for work, but I'm also here to have time with you guys and with Casper. So I make sure that I utilize my time in the most productive, efficient way as possible. So I have time for my friends. That's a small circle of friends. Like I have, well, it's actually funny because one of my birthdays, I took all my friends to Estelle Manor, and none of them knew each other. And then, Since then, they've all become best friends. So now we actually have, like, a nice, strong group of girls that are just all, like, one crew, which is really nice.

And it's quite rare that everyone clicks. But, yeah, so I have time for my friends, the ones that are very close to me, I have time for my family. I have time for my daughter, and I have time for work. I feel like you and I are very similar. And SIF. Yes. Where... Love Sif.

She's great for advice. She's so smart. She's great. She's really smart and she has this way of like depersonalizing things. I think one of my weaknesses is to, I take things personally. Not everything, but I find it hard. Like, for example, in a work environment. Like if someone did something at work that was like not okay,

I would have a much harder time saying, okay, maybe don't do that. Like, give me an example. Hmm. Let me think carefully. I think that, well, I don't know if you find this. Probably not, because I feel you're quite like siff on this. But because of like being someone young and like more on social media, more kind of like you have this like glimpse into things, I feel it's hard to, well, firstly I don't. actually I just see myself as a Pilates teacher. I don't see myself as this like I'm obsessed by

emma greed but I'm not an emma greed for example. I love her by the way and I try and absorb as much of her as I can but I just cannot be that person like I'm almost like oh okay that's fine like and then inside I'm like oh my god that's so not okay you know whereas SIF will de-personalize it and be like no no that's not good for the business so you need to do X, Y and Z. said, like, she'll help me, like, come out of the situation, if that makes sense. Yeah, I think having a mixture of the feminine and masculine energy is quite an art, and it's not easy, and it's something that you have to constantly take inventory of and check in with. I listened to, it was actually Emma Greed's podcast. I think it was with Oprah, and they were

talking about ask your partner, your friends and your family, your weakness, and I asked Caspar yesterday because we were on the plane and I was like, what is my weakness? And he said, he said your weakness in business is your strength in your personal life. And that was being too soft. Your weakness in business is your strength in your personal life. Yeah. So he thinks that he likes your softness in a relationship, but in the business, it's tough. I'm too soft, yeah. Oh, thoughtful answer, Cassie. I know. So, so, so, so, so, so, so, so SIF is able to depersonalize. and not take it personally, is what you're saying? I think she just sees it a little, and I don't want to, like, speak for her,

but if I go to her for advice, she would just see it much more black and white. But still in such a, like, warm way, she's not cutthroat in, like, a cold way. She's, like, so warm and so kind and so giving, and they have the most incredible team that's like a family. But she's also, she can see things for what they are more so. than me, I think. What are some boundaries that you create around your life, whether it's with your phone or whether it's with text message? Like, what are the boundaries? Okay, so I love discipline. Like, I really see discipline as like a key pillar. I think I have so many little hacks I do. One of

them for discipline is on my phone. I use the app, Opel. Do you know Opel? No, you got to tell me about it. It's really good. You can set limit. So you can say, okay, do you. don't let me access Instagram until X time. That's great. And you can stop it and you can set like an hour on the weekends and things like that. So you can have it available your workday and then on the weekends you could like reduce it. I love that. So I love seeing discipline as devotion.

So like discipline has like negative connotations. But I think it's like the coolest thing ever. If I see someone so disciplined and so on their like mission, I find it so expansive to be around. So I love to kind of create that like obsession, like that mission within my life. So I have boundaries around or not, I don't really like the word boundary. Like slow vibration. What's better word?

We have to ask chat, GPT, what a better word for boundaries? I'm devoted. I'm devoted to committed. Committed. Committed. That's a little mental institution. A little one flew over a cuckoo's nest. devotion is quite nice.

I like devotion. Okay, so. Frequency. Okay. Love it. So I am, I'm devoted to doing the things that will make an impact in my life and the people's lives around me. So if it's not falling into that and it's just a little bit like, I don't know, saying that, though, there is this new boundary thing where it's like, I have a boundary, I'm not, let's say for a, example, I listened to this thing the other day. I don't know what it was, but they were like,

I just don't, I won't even go to my friend's events. And I'm like, no, no, okay. We've lost our heads a little bit with boundaries. I get what you're saying. We need to support our friends. Like, okay, every so often, maybe don't go to bed at 7 p.m. It's okay if your friend has an event and you need to support your friend. It's a little also like the word trigger. Yeah, it's like triggers and boundaries and triggers, trauma, boundaries, all the things. like I just, yeah. I get what, like, yeah. We were having a cocktail, we could go off on a tangent on this subject for hours.

I think what's so cool about you and SIF and me together is that when I go on a trip like this to New York City to record, I'm so thoughtful about the time that I spend and who I spend it with. Yeah. And that's a lot because of, I'm in. interviewing all different kinds of personalities. And I feel like I have to like just, if I'm going to do dinner, it's got to be with someone I really want to do dinner with. Yeah. And I think what's so cool is that we're all in the same city and we're all doing that. And I feel like it's exciting and abundant

because we all really want to be there. Yeah, I agree. And there's something that's really nice about that. Yeah. And I mean, a hundred percent. And doesn't that feel a bit like good old fashion? Yeah. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. We're not being dragged there. No one. Yes, exactly. like I am so looking forward to tonight when I sit down at dinner with Casper, I have a margarita, I have my like dinner with him, then tomorrow we're going to do the same with you guys. Like I love those moments. It's not, I'm not being forced to do that. I've realized for me it has, listen, I do a lot of stuff I don't want to do all the time.

That's part of life. You've got to be uncomfortable. But when it comes to where I spend my free time, dinners, lunch, like whatever, I, I like to be around people that I let them be themselves and they let me be myself. Yeah. And there's not judgment. I agree. And you can always feel that, don't you think?

Like when you leave someone, you can feel that reciprocated energy if it feels good or not. Yeah. Do you know Lacey Phillips? I think to be magnetic. I feel like she's coming on our show. Oh, exciting. Wait, I think Elizabeth talked about her on our show. Yes, she's amazing.

I believe she is, and if she's not, she should. I heard she's amazing. She's great, and she has this concept of expanders. She kind of created that. I don't know if you've heard about, like, expanders. So basically, people that, it's kind of reframing, and I don't want to butcher it, but have a look at To be magnetic and Lacey Phillips. But basically, it's people that, for one of a better phrase, trigger you using them

as expanders. So shifting that energy to thinking, oh my gosh, they're showing me what's possible. If they can do it, I can do it. Like almost changing that narrative within yourself. Like, wow, that's amazing that they're doing those things. And actually like almost use that negative feeling inside of you. If you are someone that feels like that as a bit of a guide, like, okay, I need to almost like go more towards that energy. It's almost like using it as a map of where you need to go. Yes, for sure. So looking at the trigger that you're having and figuring out why it triggers you and maybe it's because you actually want more of that thing. Yeah, and I feel the same way with like personal challenges and going back to the self-belief thing, you really build

your inner confidence through challenging yourself. So going towards the fear. So if you're able to go towards that scary thing, towards the fear, using that fear as almost like a guide, like, leaning into that, then you'll be able to set like a promise to yourself that challenge that you overcome. And then you build that as evidence. So you can build like a bit of an evidence journal whenever you find it scary. The next thing you're doing, you can go back and be like, well, I just did that so I can do this. And you need to build momentum on that. I think momentum is important because if you do one scary thing once a year, you're probably going to forget that feeling. It seems like we can use your book to do what you.

you're saying. I hope so. I hope it's a blueprint and a guide to really unlocking your most confident self, mind, body, everything. Can we buy it right now? So when does this episode go on? We'll put it out when you want so you can tell it if you want. I feel like there should be a call to action. When does it come out? This is all off the show what I'm saying right now. When does it come out? So you can pre-order end of September. Okay, so let's put this live in. So go ahead and say that it's, you can pre-order now. You can pre-order now. And then the hard copy releases in January.

So yeah, it's really exciting. And I think, like, hopefully this is a toolbox. There's a workshop at the end of every single chapter. And there's just so many little nuggets, I hope, tangible takeaways. What was the process like writing the book? That is not easy to do that. No, it wasn't, but I loved the challenge. Yeah, it's a lot of work.

It was a challenge and I did it when I was pregnant. I wrote it when I was pregnant. I had insomnia quite badly. So I would just use that quiet morning time to just sit and write. And I loved how different it was. I loved how it took me into like researching. I researched all these different psychologists and methods and theories and techniques. And I found it so fascinating. And yeah, I kind of loved being a bit nerdy. So I really enjoyed it. It was hard. I mean, 60,000 words is a lot. And I didn't have a ghostwriter. A lot of work. And I think, yeah, it's, there's something like powerful about doing something that, I mean, I was not the brightest crayon in the box in school at all. Like, my parents are literally like, they're not like this. But I was not the smart one. My brother was at.

And I was never, I never had this story in my head like, oh, I can do it, write a book one day. Never, ever, ever. So I am really like living proof of this. You and I would have been great friends. We would have. We would have been fast friends. We really would have. In high school.

And I am dying to know what you think of the book. I cannot wait. Do we have a cover yet? Can we pop it up on the screen? Yeah, we can pop it up. It's called The Promise of You. Can I see? I feel like I don't think I feel like I've seen the cover.

You haven't because we don't have a cover right now as we're recording, but we will have letting them. This is not on. I just want to know, are you putting your face on it or not? No. So it's called the promise of you. I would tell you, this is off. I would tell you not to put your face out.

Not because you're not beautiful. Never. I think you could sell more copies. Of course. Without a, not anyone's face. Not her face, anyone's face. I agree. I agree.

I agree. I agree. A little more. We've gone down, I'm excited to show you. We've gone down like a bit of a vintage. I bet it's beautiful. Root. The colors we're using and it's six steps to change your mind, body and life.

And can they buy it on Amazon? Yes. I love it. I know. I'm so excited. Can we do a code for the app? Yes. So there's a seven-day free trial on the website already.

And then we'll do 20% off all the equipment with code. Skinny? Should we do that? Or do you want to do the Bostics? We're doing it. We're still doing skinny. Okay. So we'll do 20% off all the equipment and the journals and everything. And the journals are so cute. I actually have the baby blue one and the ox blood one, but this looks brown. I feel like I have an ox blood one. No, you have that one. But I just want to caveat. Lauren is so sweet. I just bought these to give to her and she's displayed them because she's the sweetest. Well, why do I feel like I feel like guys have something ox blood of your?

I don't think you did. Did I buy you another journal? Maybe it's this. I think you might have that one. But I feel like the baby blue one is very you. And in the journal you have your three priorities for the day. You have an accountability section. So what you're going to do for mind, body, you have a visualization section, notes, a schedule, and a to-do list. And then you have a Sunday reset. I'm a big fan of a Sunday reset. Sunday resets very needed. Yes. I have rapid fire questions from the audience on my Instagram. skincare. Tell us a couple things. Okay, Ptioch, skin suiticles. Yes. Is incredible. Greed. I also, I use a lot of skin suiticles. I also love the road mist. Okay. I think it's really good. And micro-needling. Incredible. Pandora Long in London is unbelievable. Microneedling is the best thing

you can do possibly to your skin and you and I have tried it all. It's amazing. If you're going to spend money. You have to do it regularly. I try to go once a month. Yeah. It's a thing though. It's a commitment. It is. It's not like you're rushing to go out. No, it's not like you're rushing to go out. But you do it on your hands as well. I'm going to do that next time. I do hands. I do arms, upper, anywhere I can get it. We need like a full body microneedling machine. We should get a big one. Wellness tip that's kind of like a red light, but not red light. Like a wellnessy tip. eat breakfast before your workout. I actually have two breakfast. I have one pre and one post. What did you eat for breakfast today? Today was not a good example. Okay, let's say what'd you

eat for breakfast on a great day last week? On a great day, I will have a protein shake. I will do a banana, frozen banana, coconut water, chocolate protein powder, some frozen blueberries, and either some walnuts or almond butter. That's my first breakfast. Then I'll do my workout and a walk. And then I'll have some Greek yogurt with blueberries. What's the protein powder that you like? I actually love form nutrition.

It's a UK brand. Very clean, simple. But then there are ones like Truvani's nice, I think. I don't know other brands that people like. Mantra. My parents always drum this into me from like as long as I can remember. always do the things you say you're going to do. Ooh, that's a good one.

That's a good one. So be like a woman of your word. And be a woman of your word to yourself. 100%. So your book, you told yourself you were going to write a book? Yeah. And here we are. And it's called The Promise of You.

That answer goes with the book. Perfect. It's great. Last one. What's your Joe and the Juice order? Okay. So my Joe and the Juice order, there's a few things. I will do celery, lemon, ginger, cucumber, and half an apple.

That's one of them. And they use the lemon peel, like all the lemon peel in that, so good. And then I like doing an electrolyte chrote creatine situation if I'm traveling and I don't have my creatine, so I'll do coconut water, I'll put their shot of apple and ginger in the coconut water, and then I will add creatine. They have creatine on the menu. So that's another thing. The other one, which always makes people laugh when I order it, I order the vegan sandwich with turkey. Yum.

I get it. That, like, sums me up. I totally get that order. The vegan sandwich. The vegan sandwich probably has a bunch of avocado. Exactly. I get it. Exactly.

And the pesto and the spinach tomatoes. And then I add turkey. I'm a turkey. sandwich kind of girl. Love that. I figured out after this episode two, who you remind me of. I don't know how I didn't think of this earlier. My best friend, Faith. I think you told me this last time. I must have already told you this. But I forgot that you remind me of her and when you, I just saw you again. Oh. I swear it like took me a second because I'm like, who does she remind you of? It's faith. That's such a compliment. And she is the most lovely, fun, good energy person. I can see that. She seems

Australian. Is she? Yeah, you got to meet her one time. You guys would, we would have quite, we wanted to do a little vacation. That would be fun. Yeah. People think I have an Australian accent. I don't know why. It's so dainty and chic and I told you this on the first episode. It's like sing songy. I could just listen to it. Oh, thank you so much. I would tell you to do a meditation, but we are just focused on Pilates. Well, we're focused on Pilates in the fitness category and the workouts, but I do have meditations, breath work, all those kind of things. We have a mind section. So you can go on, you can get the journal. The Baby Blue is really major, you guys. Definitely get your book. Thank you so much. I know that the book is going to be a huge hit when you text me about it. I was like, I have to have her on again.

You're also welcome to come back on the show anytime you want. Please. I love it. I love talking to you. It's so effortless. I love it. And I just loved it. Where can everyone find you follow you? So I am briny Deary on Instagram, slowly transitioning to Briney Bass, but I haven't quite taken the plunge. I am Notes to Self by Briney Bass on Substack. And I got to go on your substack. The app is Pilates by Briney on the app store, on Google Play, on our website. The seven-day free trial is via the website. And then you can download the app. And yeah, you can buy the equipment on the website as well. Brace us with your presence anytime.

Thank you for having me. Thank you so much. Thank you for coming on, the promise of you. Thank you.