Alex Clark - Conspiracies, Health Truths, Big Pharma, Public Vs Home School, & What They Don't Want You To Know
00:00The following podcast is a dear media production.She's a lifestyle blogger extraordinaire.Fantastic.And he's a serial entrepreneur.A very smart cookie.And now Lauren Everts and Michael Bostic are bringing you along for the ride.Get ready for some major realness.Welcome to the skinny confidential, him and her.
00:23We're at a time in our country where we finally have a spotlight on all of these issues,which I believe are completely nonpartisan, right?Talking about the mass poisoning happening of our children is nonpartisan, we should all care about that.We've never had an election like this with such a unity ticket on an issue that truly all sides should care about and come together on, such as the future health of America.When you have 50% of kids are morbidly obese right now, that's a grim outlook for the future of America.Welcome back, everybody. Welcome back to the Skinny Confidential, him and her show. Today we have Alex Clark on the podcast.Alex is the host of the culture apothecary podcast,which Lauren and I just happened to be guests on last week.
01:06I highly suggest you go and listen to that.We did a little bit of a swap situation,and obviously today she's on ours.Fun fact, Lauren and I rarely do podcasts togetheror not nearly as many as you think we would.We actually don't guess on that many podcasts,and there's a couple of reasons why.First, we obviously have our own podcast
01:23where we're talking on a mic more than three times a week as of lately.So that's a lot.second, I think a lot of people don't realize that the podcast for Lauren and I is actually a side hustle.The main gig that I run day to day is Dear Media. The main gig that Lauren runs day to day is the skinnyconfidential. So we have our hands full doing that. So whenever we have any extra time, we're focused on thator time with family. And it's rare that we do interviews together. Third, we find it challenging sometimesto go on podcasts where the host is trying to manage interviewing both of us at the same time.listen, it is hard to interview two people at the same time, take it from us. And I think it's a bit of an
02:01art to try to manage an interview that has two people on the other side, especially if you're asingle host. That being said, Alex is a phenomenal interviewer, like I mentioned earlier, andshe did an incredible job interviewing us. So we said, okay, let's go and take a chance on this one,and we're glad that we did. And she's just really good, like I said, at interviewing. And it was noproblem for her to interview both of us. So yeah, we typically don't do that many interviews together,just because the host can kind of get all over the place, dive into our relationship,which we've talked about 8,000 times in the origin and all that.And I think it's just challenging for an individual to try to tackle interviewing two people
02:35at one time.Not to say people can't do it.They do.Alex did it.But yeah, that's why we typically don't do so many podcasts.We either do them by ourselves or on our own show.Once in a while, we'll do them together.All that being said, let's get into this episode with Alex.
02:49Today we discuss the issues with identity politics, toxic ingredients that are killing us,the truth about Big Pharma and how to stay above and out of the fray in order to live a happy and productive life.This is for anybody that wants to open their eyes, see different perspectives, think a different way, and overall just improve your life.With that, Alex Clark, welcome the Skinny Confidential, him and her show.This is the Skinny Confidential, him and her.I saw that you met Donald Trump on your Instagram.I did. Yes, I just did. It was actually my second time.And how was it?
03:23It was amazing. He is so freaking huge and people don't realize how big he is, but he is so tall. And I'm just like a little baby hamster looking up at him. The first time I met him and you know, it's very quick in those meet and greets. You're in, you're out and you just want to get their attention really quick before they move on in the next person. And I was like, you know, it's an honor to meet you. I said, you are the pop culture president. This was the first time I met him because he is. This is somebody that, you know, rappers were rapping about. Like we want to, you know, we want to go to Mara Lago, hang with Donald Trump. I mean, he was goals.Barack Obama was quoted saying he was goals.So I said that and he was like, I am the pop culture president.He loved that.And then this time I said, please, what I said in my two seconds was, please keep talking aboutbig food and big pharma.I said the female voters love it specifically, but also just the undecided female votersreally love it.
04:13You know what's so interesting about you is you have somehow tackled talking about somethingthat is so big and so overwhelming and making it digestible. Big pharma, the way you talk about itis like you make it easy to understand in layman's terms and you don't make it so overwhelming.Because when I hear that word, when I used to hear that word before listening to you, I wouldfeel so overwhelmed. How did you know how to do that? I am because I'm a normal person whodiscovered the corruption just like I think most people during the pandemic. I'm going through thepandemic and I'm seeing the mandate of vaccine that does who knows what with bare minimum testing.And I'm like, this is weird. And by the way, I'm somebody who I did not give two craps about
05:00any of this stuff. I was the processed food queen living off chicken nuggets my entire life.I went on a reality dating show and my whole moniker, they brought chicken nuggets to the islandfor me. My whole thing was- Which dating show was this? It was Mark Burnett's first attempt at a datingshow. My season failed. It was a flop and they never tried it again.But it was called.Yeah, it was on Fox, the summer of 2016.Okay.And so I was the chicken nugget princess.
05:24Everybody knew that about me.Going through the pandemic, they mandate this vaccine, and I just thought that's so weird.And so here's something that I've never revealed.I was actually getting my lashes done.And my lash tech said, have you ever listened to this podcast, The Skinning Competential?I said, at the time, I hadn't.And so she was playing an episode that you did with this girl who talked about ADHD is likemeth, legal meth.
05:48And I had never heard.The Adderall.Yes.Yes, that's what I meant.So this girl was talking about how Adderall was like legal meth.And I had never heard anything like that.And so I'm listening, getting my lashes done.My mind is blown.
06:00Immediately I go home.I start Googling things like, why would they approve pills that they know aren't great for you,things like that?That leads me to the opioid crisis.I'm blown away by OxyContin, the entire story with OxyContin,how they knew that this drug was ravaging towns across America,addicting people and then led me down this rabbit hole of big pharma.And so as I'm researching big pharma, then I'm like, what else, you know, is the government
06:28in control of that impacts us every single day that I've never thought of?And I'm thinking, okay, tech, we know big tech.We know mainstream media is totally corrupt, bought and paid for by pharma.I wonder if there's anything with the food.And so I start Googling, I'm like, that's not a real thing.I Google the term big food.And then I learned that like five food companies control the entire food supply.And I was just my, I couldn't believe what I was reading.
06:51And so that led me on my entire wellness path.And simultaneously, what are you thinking about the vaccine and COVID and everything that's going on at this time when you're reading all these things about Big Pharma?Well, I knew I wasn't getting it.And I would say that when people ask me, what is the thing that you were the most proud of in your life?I say it was never taking that freaking vaccine.Never.I am so proud.I am so proud. You know, any of us that didn't do it, we, we, you know, any of us that didn't do it.
07:17withstood unbelievable amounts of social pressure. That is a massive thing to be able to say that youwere able to get through. So yeah, I was proud. I also think that what it did for me is it solidifiedthe fact that I will never, ever, ever do anything in my life again where there is an outsidepressure to do it right away. I will always sit back and I will always think about it and I will alwaystake my time to be introspective, and I'm not just going to do something because someone tells me to do it.I think it almost like reset that part of my brain. Yeah, well, think about Ronald Reagan, right? He was the one thatsaid, you know, you never want, if the government knocks on your door and says, hello, we're the government,we're here to help run the other way. I mean, that's basically what that was. Was the government
08:04knocking on door being, hey, guess what? It's the government. We're here to help. Absolutely not.So that is something that all of us, that's a right to be able to take a step back and decide what's going to work for you, what's not going to work for you in your family.So how after you discovered all of this did you put a plan in play to create what you've created?Well, so I have this audience.I call them cute servatives.And this was, I came to Turning Point USA in 2019 and I first launched a pop culture show from a conservative perspective.So it was just a daily short five to 10 minute show covering celebrity news of the day.It was like TMZ and Fox News if they had a baby.
08:43And I had this show called Poplitics.And so I started building this audience that was young conservative women that loved pop culture.They loved beauty.They loved wellness.And I was in my mid-20s.So now we're talking about several years later.So now I'm in my early 30s.And I'm starting to become interested in this stuff.
09:01I'm starting to become interested in the same topics that my audience naturally is.we're at the age where we're getting married. We're having families. We're thinking about the things that are going in and on our bodies. I'm just talking about and posting about the things that are starting to interest me. And, you know, they happen to relate because we're all around the same age. My audience is 25 to 35 year old women. So when I start talking about after I started finding out about the Adderall, then I'm like, oh my gosh, what about hormonal birth control? I start posting about hormonal birth control and how, you know, it alters who you're attracted to that you might pick a different mate on versus off birth control. That'sinsane. Why were we all pressured as women to start getting that in the 70s? It was because they wanted us to all go into the workforce. This was the whole pinnacle thing. They needed more workers. So it really, you start learning all the stuff and learn that nobody cares. Nobody up there, nobody in D.C., they don't care about you. They want to control you. And I think there's, when you start going down the food, pharma, rabbit hole, you realize there is so much freedom for you when you step away from all of that sludge.Well, what people don't realize too is like they think like, and I'm not speak on everything,but they will look at something, well, people don't realize this. You will look at something likethe rush COVID vaccine and you will think that is a one off that only happened that one timewith that little regulation. You don't realize that it's like it's most things that happen thatway. Most of the vaccines, most of the food gets that through. Like there's so many new chemicals
10:27and something. So when you start going down these rabbit holes, you're like, wait a minute,this wasn't an isolated experience. And now it opens your eyes. So like, what else do I need to beaware of. Yeah, so basically all the drugs are passed that way. The only reason we know about this and wethink that's crazy is because the amount of publicity that has happened around that particular shot.The other thing is people, unfortunately, just don't read a lot of history. And so the way I look ateverything is anytime there's something new, like, do you really want to be in the control group,the first one? Because there's so many things, if you look now, things that have been recalled,ingredients, medicines, things that are deemed unsafe. Lauren, you know, she had breast implants at one point.
11:03even the stuff they use for those breast implants that were approved by the FDA.I've now been recalled in Black Box warning.And it's like there's just things that people, like it may be safe, what they call it safe in the beginning.And a few years go by and the data comes out like, oh, wait a minute, that wasn't safe recall.So it's just like you shouldn't be in such a rush to do anything unless you're absolutely sure that it's right for you.Out of everything that you've uncovered, because you've uncovered a lot of things, what has been the most shocking?For me, learning that the cigarette companies were bought by the food companies in the 80s,purposefully to weaponize the food system and make the processed food that we grew up with in the late 80s and 90s as addictive as possible.
11:45I thought, that is nuts.That is nuts.I mean, so that tells you right there, we've all just been guinea pigs in a science experiment.When people talk about, you know, I grew up with this food and I ate this and I turned out fine.but the food that you grew up with is not the same.What I grew up with, I was born in 93,what I grew up with in the 90sis not the same goldfish crackers
12:06that kids in 2024 are being exposed to.None of that. GMOs were not even arounduntil the late 90s.So the food is completely differentand it's not even food.It's dead food.You're putting dead food into your body.That's concerning.
12:20So when you go from eating chicken McNuggetsall the time to now,what does that look like in your own personaljourney with food. Like what am I what does my diet look like? Yeah. I've I've really I've beenloving your protein obsession and I've been trying to just focus as much as possible on protein.It is so hard for women to get enough protein during the day. So I mean I'm always doing somesort of meat and then usually just like one or two vegetable sites. That's it. It is so simple.That's the thing about the food. My audience who is just learning for the first time, I mean six
12:53months ago my audience learned to throw out their nonstick pans for the first time. Theyare on this journey for the first time ever and in learning everything. And so a lot of it can beoverwhelming. And they're like, well, this seems too hard. I'm like, it's not hard. You're eatingreal food. You can go to Aldi right now and you can get organic grass-fed ground beef. You can getorganic whole wheat pasta. They have all kinds of stuff. So it's really just about time and convenience.And that's what people don't like. They don't want to spend 15 minutes cooking a meal. They want tojust go through the Chick-fil-A drive-through. I think that the food companies have made it so.complex that it's almost meant to confuse us and feel that it's overwhelming when it actually
13:33isn't. It's very, very simple. It's eat whole real foods without all this added shit.They almost like, it's almost like they want us to feel disoriented. Yeah, they totally want,they want you to be disoriented from the food. And then you're starting to feel symptoms fromthe food of anxiety, depression. And then guess what? They can prescribe you a pill. And then once you'represcribed on that pill, then it's like, oh, you're all riddled up on all these drugs. Well, now I really can'tthink, I'm not really sure who to vote for. I'm so confused. Who should I sleep with?Who should, you know, should I even get married? The whole thing just, it's all designed.And then you're fat and they say here's Ozzympic. Right, exactly. Yeah, and then your seven-year-old is
14:09fat and then they say your seven-year-old needs Ozmpic. So all of this is crazy.That's the other thing is finding out that the majority of the board that decides what is goingto be allowed in our public school lunches, almost all of them are taking money from Nova Nordics,who is the creator of Ozempic. So if you havepanel of people that are deciding school lunches for kids in America and they take money from aweight loss drug and they're now testing to make sure that drug can be given to kids. What kind offood do you think they're going to say the public school should have? Public school cafeteriasare the largest fast food restaurant in America. It's all fast food. It's all processed food in our schools.
14:46So then you have public school kids who are dumb because of the food. They can't think. They're hopped upon food die and then they can't learn to read. They're not they're not learning.math and then they're growing up and they're on prescription medications for the rest of their life.They think that they're mentally ill. And really, we just made them that way.We were talking about before we started how our audience is like definitely, I think it's split.I think you'll have some on the right, some on the left, a lot in the middle.I would say like, Lauren and I probably kind of, depending on what issue, tapered more into themiddle, maybe right leaning fiscally, socially the other way. I don't know. But part of the problem
15:18with the conservative movement and why they lose a lot of people, and this is my honest opinion,is they go full conspiratorial. Everyone's out to get me. The farmer's,is out to kill us. There's somebody in the shadows ready to get me. So you know what I would say to that?But real quick. The problem is, is that it's what you said. The incentives financially, it's just like,it's really simple. Companies that do these things make a shitload of money, which means they have ashitload more money to deploy. And then there's media companies that are able to get that message out,and a ton of their budget and a ton of their income is paid for by that money. So then you have a question,do I piss these advertisers off and ruin my whole business and put people out of jobs? Or do I tow the line?
15:54It's not, I don't think it's as diabolical with people. I mean, I run a media.company. So I see these things come through and I see the advertised come through. And it's,if you put too much of your ad bucket and too much of your income dependent on those types ofcompanies, then your company is vulnerable at risk. So you have a poor executive that's saying,it's like, wait a minute, do I tow the line and do this thing or do I protect all these jobs? Andit's dicey. The incentives in this country are bad. But I, but I think sometimes these highconspirator, like there's somebody in the shadows that wants to control us all the time. I thinkthat's less so the case in a lot of cases. So, so my response to you,
16:26Is the conservative right just coming up with tons of like crazy conspiracies?I always say give it a couple months.How many things that seem crazy at first that we brought attention to have come true?Don't forget 15 years ago, Alex Jones was saying they're putting stuff in the waters,turning the frogs gay.Guess what?We know RFK Jr.has been talking a lot about that,
16:47that they're pumping our tap water full of estrogen, essentially,that is turning for, you can look at a group of frogs that they do turn gay,It's basically just feminizing people because the water is full of estrogen.Yeah, but a better way, but a better way for him to have said it would have been,hey, there's fluoride in the water and this is causing a lot of issues and we have to address why there'sFlorida.It's a delivery thing.Yeah, because, and so the problem is, like, when you say, like, if I, like, it sounds crazy.
17:13And so then it's, then people that are stuck in a position are like, well, I don't want to listen to a crazy.But if you deliver it in a way, it's like, listen, we've got a big problem with our municipal tap water and there'sfluoride in it and we've got to solve this.But I actually disagree with you in the sense.that I do think there's people that are dark in the shadows doing bad shit.There's always, there's always dark.But what I'm saying is not everything is this extreme conspiracy.There is a lot of validity to what he says, and that's been proven.
17:40Pat Callie Means on the show, there's a lot of validity to what he says.There's a lot of things that have been proven.But the delivery is so poor that you're turning certain people off that are determined to be turned off to begin with.And what we tried to do on this show is like, how can I get a message like that where it's like,hey, stop drinking municipal tap water because there's Floyd.How can I get that to the greatest amount of people where they're going to sit there,left or right and say, you know what?He's got a point.
18:03We shouldn't be drinking that tap water.Not, hey, your frogs are gay.Right, right.So I think that there, I don't think that there is a lot of dark shadow stuff going on.I actually think that everything happens right out in the open and that there are two groups ofpeople.There are people that are like, I want to know every horrible bad thing that happens in the worldand people that are like, I, you know, hands over my ears, hands over my eyes.
18:23I don't want to know any bad things.I want to go through life.pretending like this stuff isn't real and doesn't happen.You see that all the time when people talk about human trafficking.But, and I choose to be the person that is living life.I want to be in the open.I want to know all the bad things because I want to make sure that I'm aware of them.I want to make sure that my future kids, God willing, are aware of them.
18:40So that's how I like to operate life.But yes, sometimes stuff is uncomfortable, but I want to be in the uncomfortable so that I canbe proactive and aware of what's coming.I guess what I'm saying is like someone who does a show and has been doing it for a while.And I told this to Tommy Laurent, it would be really easy for Lauren and I to go super hard right or super hard left and quadruple our numbers and get every fucking sound bite and every person in here and be like, whoa, what are these people saying?I think it's much harder to sit down and get people to actually start looking at something different because the message has been delivered in an articulate way.Yeah, you guys do such a good job.I think it's been so cool watching you invite all of these different people.
19:20I mean, you had Kathy Griffin on, then you have Tommy Laron on.And so I think it's funny, like, looking at the comments from your audience being like, why would you have this person, you know, tell the other side?And it's like, they do tell the other side.You guys give a platform to all of these different types of people.And I think that's fantastic.I think that's, that shows dear media is really one of the only companies that is willing to do that.Well, I think it's because we're making the bet, or at least we're hoping that the bet's going to pay off, that people over time are going to be more and more hopefully open to diverse set of opinions, beliefs, ideas.facts and that they're going to then make the best decision for their life based on all of those
19:58things. And the problem is, is if you, again, if you, if you only speak to one side or the otherand you only do one kind of content, I think it makes you a much less rounded, well-rounded person,and it makes it really hard to actually come to an informed opinion. I think this gives me,like, perfect lead up to my next question, which is, is that you say, and you said this off air,classical liberals and conservatives have a lot in common when it comes to health and wellness.So talk about that because that's an interesting statement.Yeah. So we're talking about right now, we're at a time in our country where we finally havea spotlight on all of these issues, which I believe are completely nonpartisan, right?
20:34Talking about the mass poisoning happening of our children is nonpartisan.We should all care about that.Totally.This is, we've never had an election like this with such a unity ticket on an issue that trulyall sides should care about.come together on, such as the future health of America. When you have 50% of kids are morbidly obeseright now, that's a grim outlook for the future of America. When you're talking about close to80% of 21-year-old men in America are so metabolically sick that they're not eligible to serve in the
21:05U.S. military. That is a national security crisis. So the food problem, the pharmac problem,reaches and touches every aspect of American life. You're talking about poverty. You're talkingyou're talking about health care, everything, everything, how kids fare in education in the schoolsetting, like I said, that all is so incredibly important. So yes, we both should care about that.And that's what I like about my show is that, yes, I'm produced by Turning Point USA, which is aconservative youth organization. But, I mean, most of my episodes are really not political at all.I'm interviewing a lot of the same people you are.That's one of the reasons I started to really like your show.
21:48is there something that popped up where you were talking about homeschooling.And I had had sort of like, I kind of was like, oh, I would never homeschool.That was her perspective before.That was my perspective before.And I can actually walk you through it.I thought that my vision of homeschool was like someone's in a room with no windows,teaching your child without any other friends.And you really changed my perspective in this clip.
22:15You talked about maybe creating a pod that was out.doors on a ranch with lots of kids and interaction and nature and grounding. And I thought, wow. Andthat's, I liked that about your show as it switched my perspective. I would like to know where youstand on homeschooling now because you spoke super eloquently on it. Oh, well, thank you. So I don'thave kids yet. I would love to you one day. It just hasn't happened yet. But I'd love to get married andhave kids. And I would rather die than put my kids in public school. That's my, that's my personal,my personal opinion on it.So my opinion is conservative Christians.
22:51I don't think we should be sending our kids to public school.I think what's funny that you brought up,your assumption of homeschool was like no windows, no outside light.So when I think of government schools, I think of that.I think of basically such a sterile environment, beige food, beige floors,no outside time barely at all, no natural light,sitting at a desk all day, forced association, which is not socialization, because that is acompletely different thing. And those kids aren't learning. You look at the rates of kids that are
23:23homeschooled now. They have higher SAT scores. They are outtesting public school kids like you wouldn'tbelieve. The Ivy League schools are asking and recruiting actively kids who have been homeschooled.They are not looking at public school kids. It's a very sad situation what's happening withpublic schools. So yeah, when I think of homeschool, I think of the freedom to pursue any interest thatyou love. I started my career when I was 18 that I knew from a young age that I would be doingsomething in media. It kind of changed a little bit over time what that would be, but I alwayshad a hunch. And you see these homeschool kids who are able, whether it's getting a pilot's licenseat a young age or pursuing engineering or videography, they're able to have the time to pursue those
24:08passions where public school kids, you're at the whim of other kids in your class. The averageamount of time spent learning during a day in public school, I don't even know that it's at twohours. I can really, I didn't learn in a public school. I didn't learn. I'm someone who's very like,I need to be free and introspective and I want to be creative. And I can say that I did not learnin the public school system. But again, there's like, this is what the theme of this show for Laurenand I is like, I agree with you. I think there's, I think the majority of our listeners,if you strip down any of the political stuff,it's like they want to take care of them.
24:39Families are the best.They want to live the healthiest lifestyle.They want to make sure that they are in good relationships, that their careers.Like, I think left for everybody wants that.And Lauren and I have our own biases where both of us, like we went to public school andwe've done well.And like you have to realize the school system is still also not the same that it waseven when we were kids.
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29:45your first month. That's BetterHelp, H-E-L-P dot com slash skinny.Every kid learns different, and that's what I like about homeschool. So homeschool also doesn't looklike for every homeschool family I know it does not look like basically a school setting within your home.your homeschool is anywhere you want you guys are on a freaking vacation every other day i feel so your kids are learningyour kids are probably more educated than any of those public school kids because they are experiencing lifeit's those real world opportunities where kids are learning it's not sitting at a desk waiting for jimmy next tothem to stop you know messing around the entire class like those kids they're barely learning anythingthe only bone i have to pick with any of the and it's and listen i'm i'm actually open
30:29depending on the right scenario and the right setting and the right whatever like i i iand also depending on the options we have for schools.My big thing, though, is, and I tell this to people, we just were walking out of our kids' classof their day and I said, you know, you have to be really careful that you're controlling the child'senvironment so much to the point that when they become an adult, like, you don't want to createa situation where they're shocked by reality.Which is why she's saying bring them out.And what I'm saying is there's the real world and then there's the world that you can, in the
31:00environment you can create for your kids.but my job as a parent is to prepare my kids for the real world.And so there's a balance of that.It's like, hey, you've got to see some of it.I guess what I feel to understand, though, Michael, is how is being in a brick and mortarsituation every day, all day long?How I feel like your real world situation is happening with you everywhere.Tell her about your experience in school.
31:23No, no, no.My point is what I'm saying is, I think a lot of parents, of course, their parents, they love theirchildren.they want to protect them at all costs, which is the instinct of parents.He's saying that sometimes with homeschool, it's too controlled.Okay.But I think you're saying it's a different kind of homeschool, which is why I'm interested in talking about.My public school school today, the homeschool kids that I know, like my friends that are married with kids,
31:48their kids every day of the week, they have so many activities.There's not even enough time to do all the activities.They're around different people, whereas those kids in the public school setting,they're around the same like 30, 45 kids every day all day long.I mean, they're doing all kinds of crazy things.And, yeah, going to nature school this day.And then we're going to go, we're going to go meet the fire department.Now we're going to go to Italy on our family trip.
32:06Now we're going to do this.I mean, they're living life and experiencing things on a rate that is surpassing the public school kids wildly.I think what I'm seeing is that may not be then the like, then you become an adult.And it's like, hey, Italy and no fire department.This is like, go get a fucking job and compete with the world.And good luck.But those kids are because they're finding their passions, they are.are able to go to, they're going to college sometimes earlier. They're graduating high school
32:32earlier. They're getting to get into their careers earlier than those other kids. I mean,my friends that went to college, it's like I start, first of all, I wasn't homeschooled. I onlywas for like one year. But at 18, I was starting my career doing all this. My friends weren'teven starting their career until they graduated, you know, college and then starting at the verybeginning, whereas I already had like this high powered career in media. I guess what I want to know aboutyour version of homeschool is I want to.I want you to tell me if you had kids in this moment, what would the homeschooling situation look like?Are you on a ranch and they're barefoot every day? Are you getting teachers to come in?
33:09Probably not. I got to look close to a Sephora. I love that life, but I don't think I could live full time that far out of cities.But are you teaching the kids? Like, I don't understand. Tell me what homeschooling looks like to you so I can have a vision.I'm very visual. For me, I am comfortable. I would probably be fine throughout elementary school. I think middle high school.I think middle high school, that's when I would be getting into like shared co-op situations.Okay.So then you either are bringing in outside tutors or whatever to teach certain subjects or other parents where it is their strength.You know, they have like a history degree or whatever.They're doing the history class.
33:41You have this person.They're like an algebra person.You know, they're an engineer.They're doing the math.So for those harder grades, I don't, I'm not going to be the one teaching them, no.But I'm totally capable and feel good about those others.But also, homeschool, you get these curriculums.They put everything in there for you today.
33:58All you have to do is like point and read.And you have technology, you have AI, you have all kinds of things going on of options to school your kids.Their homeschool looks so drastically different for different families.You can choose to unschool your kids.You can choose to have them, you know, have a little classroom in your home.You can do a nature school.There's like a million things.Co-ops with other people.
34:19The options are endless.Yeah.And listen, like I said, I'm open to it.It's hard for me to tell my personal experience with public schools was not great.I mean, it's pretty bad, actually.It's one of the worst.And I would say we actually went to good public school.But I thought you guys were like in love making out under the bleachers or whatever.
34:32We were making out under the bleachers.I was in love with bad boy.He was not.So you were skipping school.That part was going.He was constantly rebelling against authority because the school was not right for him.He was in detention every single weekend.He had so many detentions that there was too many detentions to complete.
34:52So you probably wasn't right for you.He was kicked off every trip.Like it was like sad looking back.Like we were 13 and like we all went to Disneyland.He was kicked off.Like they were so it's interesting.Like I'm just.I guess so here's my rub in this.
35:05We were asking this other day.We actually, we were just talking about us in the car.Like, oh, it would have been better if we went to like a better school environment orhomeschool.Like would have been good.But then I think about like the way my life is turned out and the things I've done.And I'm like maybe that environment was actually good because for me in particular,my goal was always to get out of there and do this thing.
35:22And it gave me the drive to kind of do.A hard one.So it's like I also.I think like what if I was.coddled and they just said, hey, do whatever you want and flick off all the teachers and tell everyone to go,like, fuck themselves.Maybe you wouldn't have done that if you had been homeschooled. I don't know.But what if I did? And they're like, oh, well, that's just Michael. Like, give him, like,
35:39make sure he feels good. Like, I don't know if that would have been good either.I think you sound like you're a very strongwilled personality. And I grew up. I was the strongworld child. And we want to learn when we were ready to learn. I got kicked out of my firstgrade computer class. Did you hear what she just said? Did you hear what? That's exactly how she is.I interviewed. I interviewed this girl. She did not, she was homeschooled and didn't start reading untilshe was 12 years old. Now, this would send most American parents into an absolute panic. But she was like,I wasn't ready. I wanted to horseback ride. I wanted to do these other activities. By the time I was12, I was like, you know what? I think I wanted to just start reading. And immediately just,
36:09she started reading. She's interested. When a kid is interested, they will learn. Yes.And most of my high school, so I graduated barely by the skin of my teeth, barely, barely passed. I was,I was just doing what it was to get by. I knew immediately that I wanted to go into this field. And I did it.and killed it.I think people are just built for different things.And in a public school setting,the problem is that you're not allowing kidsto find out what those things are.
36:35Now, some kids are going to thrive in that environment.And so some families that's going to work well for them.But that's why we should have,parents should have more of a freedomto kind of choose those different things.That I agree with.Yeah.No, I mean, there was definitely,
36:48I mean, I got kicked out.This is like, when I think about it now,I can't imagine one of my kids doing this.I got kicked out of my first grade class.I don't know if I've ever told this story.when I was, how do you in first grade?Six or seven?I gave the middle finger to my computer teacher and told her to go,
37:02fuck herself.And I was kicked out of school.And my parents are good parents and they've been married for this whole time.And they, like, you know, church and all that.Where does that come from?I don't know, some kind of anger of being there.But what do you do like a kid like that?You know, you just send me free reign to do whatever I want.
37:17I'd be like, you're not ready for school.I got punished big time.And I think like if you just let me do what I want,like it would not have turned out well.But were you the type of kid that like always wanted.wanted to be outside and like riding bikes and stuff.I was a type of kid that wanted to do what I wanted to do.That's the easiest way to do.
37:33Shocking.Yeah.Okay.So if you had a kid in this moment, what, what are you doing for homeschooling?Like, map it out.Tell me what you're doing.Well, I probably do do some sort of co-op situation and like basically raise radical extremistsaccording to most people in America who are drinking raw milk who don't step foot in government
37:52school.That's the types of kids I'm raising.And being around those like-minded people, but yes, encouraging them to interact with other people, other walks of life, taking them experiencing things.So yes, they would not be sheltered in a bubble and only be around like eight people.Where does all this energy come from? You have a lot of energy.I think that's just my psycho hamster personality. That's just natural.I like it. I think it's cool.Thank you.
38:16You're very energetic. Is this natural in the morning?It's just all the time. Yeah. I remember being in middle school and people being like, what is wrong with you?because it would just be morning and I'm on.Oh my God, you're like Michael in the morning.Is that what you're like?What are you?You're just ready to start talking?Are you in Aries?
38:30What are you?I'm a Pisces.Okay.You mentioned off air a juicy story that you had to tell us.You said something juicy.Yeah.So before I ever started working in the conservative movement, being a podcaster, I was actually a morning radio host.So those morning shows that you listen to where they're like calling up cheaters and busting cheaters.
38:52Yeah.And that's what I started doing when I was 18.And I was working in Indianapolis.We had the number one rated morning show.It was around that time.Trump had just become president for the first time.So this was this was 2016 to 2019.I'm on the show.
39:08And little things start coming out, you know, based on my worldview.So just once in a while I would say things that I guess the audience could pick up on that I was conservative.Now, it wasn't something I was hiding.It's very, it's all over my social media.So it's easy to figure out.But as far as the show, like we're talking pop culture and relationships and things.It's not like I'm naturally just going in on these topics.But at some point, I must have said, I mentioned being an NRA member on the air.
39:34And, you know, you're on public radio.So it's live.So it's live.And some mother in the car, I guess, was listening with her child and decided to make a report to the FCC to the Federal Communications Commission against me and said that I am a danger to children being allowed on the air because I hadmentioned that I was an NRA member.When the FCC is contacted like that, they end up contacting your works lawyers to be like,can we hear the tape?What happened to see if there was a violation made?
40:03Now, obviously, that's not a violation.I can say that.It was just, it was so shocking to her that she felt like she needed to complain to thegovernment about what I was saying.From that point on, I knew that there was a target on my back.And this was way before cancel culture became a thing, but I could see the writing on thewall that I would be fired for my views at some point.point. Right after that, you know, this is like pussy hat era. The women's march is like a thing.
40:27By the way, notice, when was the last time you heard or saw anything about the women's march?You don't because that's done because everybody realized how much of a sham it is.Wait, time out. What's a pussy hat? You know, those girls that would march for like Hillary Clinton,they had those pink cat hats that they would wear in Washington, D.C.I didn't know about a pussy hat. Yeah, I was thinking something different, like a labia on the head.No, it was just a cat. It was like cat here, but it stood point.Never know.Yeah, stood for pussy.
40:53So they wanted me to read sponsored ads for the Women's March.And I said, absolutely not.I'm not doing that.I told my manager, I said, that goes completely against my beliefs.There is no way.And she said, well, this is just about human rights, Alex.The Women's March is just human rights.I said, really, let's talk about human rights.
41:10Let's pull up the website.I pull up the website, our values or whatever, our philosophy.It's talking about things like open border, gun control, abortion.I said, this doesn't seem partisan to you.This doesn't seem like a political march.And she couldn't argue with me.Also at the time, the woman that was leading it was like totally busted,just busted for being a rabid anti-Semite.
41:31I mean, there was all kinds of stuff.This whole thing is like a terrible organization.So I said, I'm not going to do it.And then shortly after that, they wanted me to host other events that were like horrible.And I just was like, I got to get out of here.So I was pitching this idea for that pop culture show.I was talking about to different people I knew in conservative talk radio,because that was the world I knew.
41:50I had only been in morning radio since I was 18, and I loved it.And my show was successful, but I could just tell that at some point I was going to say something that I would get fired for.So I start pitching this idea for a pop culture show for young conservatives.And everybody was like, there is no market for that.Nobody would like it.And I said, like, I know you're wrong because I am the market.I know this.And one thing that I think, there's a lot of things that I'm like, man, I wish I was better at this.
42:16I wish I was better at this and this job.But the one thing that I've always had my finger on the pulse on is,understanding my audience and what they want to listen to. And I knew that that was something thatdidn't exist. There was no pop culture show in the conservative movement in 20, you know, 2018, 2019.And so they said no, but I was still thinking about it. And turning point reached out to me.And they were like, hey, we'd love to talk about, you know, working with you at some point.And I didn't know what that meant. They meant it like an influencer. Like, come to our events.We'll give you free merch. But I wasn't an influencer. I had always been a show host. That's the only
42:48world I knew. So when someone says, we'd love to talk about how to work together,she thought that meant a show. So I said, oh, perfect, I have a great show to pitch to you.Had the name, had the logo idea, the colors, the entire, like brand, and pitched it. And they werelike, okay, well, we weren't expecting that, but we'll fly you out. You can pitch your ID toCharlie Kirk. We'll fly you to Phoenix, which is where we're headquartered. And I pitched it.And Turning Point had never done a show. They were not trying to be a media company. And so they said,let's try it, we'll take a chance.But if this doesn't work, you know, we're a nonprofit.
43:20We're not going to fund this if it's not working.If it's bleeding us money, it took off.And the conservative movement took off.And so that started the entire evolution of my journey from regular mainstream mediato the conservative movement.It's such a problem.Like, it's funny because like I guess technically I'm a quote unquote media executive at thispoint, right?
43:39And I find like the things that you're saying are so strange to me, meaning like, okay,somebody has got a political bias that leans this way.So because of that, they are definitely not interested in all the things that you actually happen to be interested in.And I think like for me, since I may because I don't come from entertainment, I just assume, okay, you like, you raise a certain way.You have a certain religious belief, political belief.But like that doesn't then preclude you from all this assortment of different things.Like I know there's probably a lot of very progressive left-leaning people that were very uncomfortable with COVID-Maxines.I also know that there's a bunch of right-leaning people that are very uncomfortable.
44:16comfortable with other things.Just because you lean one way politically doesn't preclude you from these other interests.No, let me tell you.The background of my phone is Taylor Swift.Okay.I've met her,I got to meet her twice when I was working in radio until like a week ago.I thought, well,
44:29she'd never be seen in a picture with me again now based on what I do for a living.But she hasn't written off Brittany Mahomes.So maybe there's still hope.So I think,yeah,I do bust basically every stereotype.I think of what somebody who has been raised on the left considers to be.a conservative person. Yeah, there's definitely things that we would disagree on, but I listen to rap.
44:51I love Taylor Swift. I love fashion. I mean, I'm quoted in my senior yearbook saying, I'm going towork at Teen Vogue. And, you know, thank God I that didn't pay out because that's a socialistrag that isn't even a publication anymore. So yeah, I always kind of knew that I was going to havea job where I was speaking to young women. It's just changed on what that has looked like. So I thoughtit was going to be Teen Vogue. Now it's obviously, now it's my podcast culture apopacary.Like identity politics is where good ideas and good businesses go to die, in my opinion.The reason like people say like what's going on with media and why are they becoming so irrelevant,it's because they've gone so into identity politics.
45:24They have people and executives in the room that think this way.Well, I've gone through, I've gone through just with my age, I've always kept up with,there's been a full evolution of me and my beliefs.Like I said, a couple years ago, I wouldn't have even known what big food was.Now I'm talking about this with my audience.As I get older, I'm sure there's going to be other things, especially like if I have kids,one day, that's going to be a whole other set of things that I figured out. I just got a dog.I've never been a pet owner. I got my first dog. Now I'm like being radicalized on raw food
45:52pet diet and all the same holistic things that I do for myself. Like cleaning products in your home,all that still applies to your pets for healthier pets that live longer. Like I am always opento learning new things and challenging my own bias and things. So yeah, I love that. I lovelistening to other podcasts of different views, all of it. How do you think about going out to dinner ordrinks with a friend that doesn't agree with you. What do you do me? I order what I want.They can do what they want. I mean, it happens to me every day. My coworkers are always every day like,let's go to Wendy's. Let's go to Chick-fil-A, whatever. I'm good. I brought my own lunch.No, but I mean, if you guys are disagreeing on politics, if you guys are disagreeing on viewpoints.
46:32Like, is it like contentious with your friends or are they like open like you are in non-judgmental andhear other opinions? I don't have any friends that are on the left anymore. And that wasn't because of mychoice, it was because of theirs. Wow. I was always fine with being friends. Some of my,my closest friends that I had in high school completely wrote me out, didn't invite me to theirweddings, you know, all of that once I moved to work for turning point. So it is what it is.What I found is people that are on the left are way less open-minded, in my opinion, thanconservatives. I feel like we are the ones that are always like, let's have a conversation. Like,let's all be invited, you know, at the same, to the same table. And they're the ones that are like,
47:08no. I mean, you saw everybody's had Taylor Swift in a stronghold, at least recently what's beenin the news at the time we're recording this,is you need to,you cannot be friends with Brittany Mahomesbecause it looks like she's going to be voting for Trump.You can't be friends with her.Why is she taking a picture with her?I mean, that's the kind of stuff.
47:23I've never, I don't see conservatives really doing that.I don't understand that personally.I never have understood that.And I'm not overly political.I just don't understand why you can't have different opinions.It's so weird to me.Here's the thing.People are coerced into participating in that kind of behavior.
47:43Like you mentioned like we'll have Kathy Griffin on and tell me Lord.And we happen to get along with both of them very well.And their intentions are both good.And it's been rare.We've had all sorts of people on the show that we've ever met.I'm like, man, that's an evil person.Like we've had Chelsea Clinton on.We've out all sorts of people on.
47:58And I think-Where did Chelsea Clinton fall on the zero to evil scale?I'm just kidding.She was actually, she's very, every everyone we've had on.Very nice.This is what I've realized.Everyone has their own human experience and everyone has grown up differently.everyone has different situations. And there's a reason that they've come to these conclusions.
48:18And that's why independent media, that's why your podcast, that's why my podcast, this is the future ofjournalism. This is the future of information. Thank God. I'm, I think we're both very empathetic to,and we've said this before, people grew up a certain way in certain places with certain valuesthat may be different from your way and your way of life and your values and your whatever,your upbringing. And you can't then, because you think a certain way, force your way of life,into someone else. You have to meet them where they are and you have to respect the way that they werebrought up and the way they think and the way their families values are set up. And I think the problem onboth sides, honestly, is that they're so keen on pushing their way. And what happens then is you go
48:57super far right and super far right. I was saying to somebody today, the reason that you see theseextremes on both sides is because people dig in on those deeper positions. And so there's no middleanymore because the middle is so blurred because things are so far left and so far rightthat it's like pick aside in the sand. So I like you talking about the extremes and all of this.And so one thing that I always like to think out is let's just forget what people are saying.Let's just look at how people are living their lives and just like look who who seems happierto you? Who seems if you go to a college campus and you see the conservatives tabling and you seethe leftist tabling who genuinely comes across as like happy and well adjusted?
49:36Can I say what I think?Yes.I don't pay attention to either.Like, I don't pay attention to that.I don't know why.I just don't.Like, I don't pay attention to, like, what side seems happier.I don't know why.
49:50I don't know if I'm not into politics.I just...Because I'll tell you why.I've met a million miserable conservative people and a million miserable liberal people.Yeah.I think there's miserable people on both sides and happy people on both sides.And I think this is the problem is you're like, who, which side, like, which way...It's like, listen, do you?
50:05Like, I honestly don't.don't care what any of them are doing.I could care less what people, you know.I also like, I think for me, if I go to a dinner party, like, and there's a table of 20,and I agree with all of them, I'm bored out of my goddamn mind.I was just going to say, when you're building your perfect dinner party, you want, like,somebody that's going to have wild stories here that has this point of view, this pointof view, to make interesting conversation.
50:28And to have, you know, a dinner party, everybody believes the same way.It's a boring dynamic.Just like also, when you're creating a show and you guys know this, when you guys know this,your show building, having people with different perspectives on that show, somebody that's alwaysgoing to be the contrarian, somebody that's going to be more progressive, somebody that's going tobe hard right leaning, you know, or whatever it is, but just different perspectives on something,that makes an interesting, juicy conversation.Totally.
50:50That's life.How do you think about booking your guests?Would you book someone that is completely different viewpoints than you?I mean, my show, right, like, it's a health and wellness podcast.Yeah.And so, no, because I'm trying to show the other side that never gets publicity.Yeah. Like what do we always heard? We've always heard send your kids to public school. We've always hearddrink pasteurized milk. Yeah, drink pasteurized milk. Give your kids ultra-processed food. You know,
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55:05I've been using it forever.We make this every single year around the holidays, and it is just the most creamy cream cheesefor this specific frosting. If there's anyone that knows creamy, it's Philadelphia cream cheese.It's extremely versatile and can be used to enhance any meal, snack, or anything in between.I went on TikTok to see all the ways that you can use Philadelphia cream cheese. It's wild.Mac and cheese, ramen, even pasta alfredo, buffalo chicken dip, guacamole.There's so many ways to get creative, but truly my favorite way.to use Philadelphia cream cheese is in cream cheese frosting. You could do this on like a banana cake,
55:43a pumpkin roll. It's even good on carrot cake. It's like my favorite. My kids love it. And it's so fun to makeyou like whip it up. So delicious. It truly is the most creamy frosting. You got to try Philadelphiacream cheese. Philadelphia makes everything creamier. Visit creamchease.com for recipe inspirationand so you can start adding Philadelphia to your recipes at home.And check out my mom's pumpkin roll on the blog.Just search pumpkin roll on the skinny confidential.Visit creamchease.com.This apparently went viral on your YouTube.
56:21Why do you think Gen Z and millennials are no longer dating?The audience wants to know.Like dating the generation or just the...Dating in general.Neither generation is dating.What I mean?Gosh, I don't even remember this clip,but if you're asking me now, what I would say,
56:36maybe this is what I said in there,but I don't remember.I would say, well, porn addiction, for one.Yeah.They're all watching porn.This is a thing, like, you have everything.We can do everything without leaving our house.We have our food delivered.
56:47We can get off.We can do everything.You don't ever have to leave or interact with any people.Why would a guy put himself,why would a guy drive himself to the local club, the bar, whatever,and, you know, spend money on a woman who may or may not even want to get with themor given the time of the day, get rejected when you can just get home and have,you know, a perfect automatic girlfriend.
57:05That's actually a very,Good point. They don't want to court anymore. They don't want to hunt. The hunt has like gotten taken out of it. Is it the fluoride in the water and the frogs are gay? We don't know.It is. All the frogs are gay.But literally, Lauren, the food is feminizing the men to such an extreme that yes, the soy boy. Have you ever heard that term when people like the soy boys?Have you not? It's real. You have to hear what I said to Patty Stinger. I said the reason that men aren't chasing women is the soy milk.And people got mad at me.And I'm like, if you're having soy all day long.Yeah, but guys, there's also a factor that you're not, yes, all of that.
57:43I agree with all of it.Just like move that.But there's also a factor you're not thinking about, which is when I was dating when I was youngerbefore Lauren, I had to go out in public.And I would, and this guy knows, we would have to go out in public and you'd be lucky ifone girl took, two girls took interest.It was like, oh, it's unbelievable.But it was like, if one, then you'd have to spend time courting this one person because
58:04it was like, that's really, you don't have that many options.Now you have this thing and you can go like this all day long and swipe and get 30 something yeses, right?And then it's like, okay, if I'm just playing a game of odds, do I want to wait six months for this one or do I want to just wait a week or a day for this one?No, no, no, but it's women and you're drinking too much soy.It's women and men.They feel they have endless options and so they don't put in the time to really develop a real relationship.If you, if you, like when Lauren and I were dating, I'm like, okay, I have to make this work because I really like this person and I don't have 30 other options.Oh, so if you had 30 other options, you would be trying to make that work.
58:39I only have like 25 other options at the time.But the point is, is that I think technology is not the fault.It's just the application, right?Like people now are maybe not as willing to do as much courting as they used to becausethey have so many instant gratification options to the point, which is porn as well isterrible because it's instant gratification.Yeah, I think that a lot of men and women are lacking purpose.And I think that affects your drive.
59:05in all aspects of life.And that's a scary thing, I think.I think a lot of men are just at home beating their meat instead of eating their meat.And they should really cut the soy and eat the meat.Eat meat and not beat it.That's, that is the title.Yeah, but it's, but I think we live in a time now where there's instant gratification.And listen, fast food, postmates, porn, dating, all of these things.
59:29When you give people instant gratification with little effort and little work, you're going tocreate problems because people feel like they just have endless options and they don't haveto put an effort and everything should be easy. It's just like it's crazy. You are the top healthand wellness podcast on the conservative right marketed towards young conservative women. That's crazy.What are you changing with your transition and your evolution? Like what are the changes?Let's give credit where credit is due. It was not the conservative right who was drinking raw milk first.I think it's very ironic that you and I are completely maligned in the mainstream media for doing things like drinking raw milk.I guess what the raw milk capital is freaking Los Angeles. Is Los Angeles a red a red city? No. So miss me with that. Miss me with that because that's insane. No, they were the first ones. They were the first. Liberal celebrities were the first that were not vaccinating their children. This was not a right wing thing. They've completely changed it. When we finally got on board and said like, oh my gosh, you know what? You guys were right on this. You were right. There's chemicals in our environment.
01:00:34There's chemicals in our food.We don't want this poison anymore for ourselves or our children.All of a sudden they were like, oh, this sounds like right-wing conspiracy.What?This is my problem with politics is the left also used to be the platform of free speech.And they were anti-war, right?And a lot of them were anti-vax, to your point.I remember Jim Carrey and what's Jenny McCarthy?
01:00:55This election is pro-war, pro-chemicals in your food versus no war, no chemicals in your food.Vote accordingly.I mean, that's just the truth.So you have, the Democrat Party today is, it's completely different.And also, to be fair, the Republican Party today is completely different.You can assign that to Donald Trump.So there's some establishment conservatives that love that and some people that hate it.But you're looking at, you can't think of like, okay, based on 20 years ago who I voted for,
01:01:21now who am I going to vote for this year.It is a completely different game.Completely different game.So what you really need to think of is not which party this, which party that.It's what are my values?What are the things that affect me and my family on a day-to-day basis in whichside is going to deliver accordingly.And then you got to make that decision.
01:01:38Yes.That's what I for sure agree.This is what I'm trying to say is the problem with identity politics and labeling people this way isyou get certain people that's your point.Like, wait, I used to like raw milk.And no, I'm not for fax.And but now because it has become a party issue, they will only vote along party lines.I don't give a shit what party about any party.
01:02:01I'm drinking my raw milk.and I am drinking it every day in my coffee because it's absolutely delicious and it's full of vitamins and enzymes.I'm going to ruin your life. Is your coffee hot or cold? Well, okay, hear me out. I let my coffee. Michael makes it at 7 and I let it sit until 9.30. So it's warm.It's, it's room temperature because I heard you can't pour the raw milk in the hot coffee. Yeah. So I just interviewed a raw milk farmer and that is what he told me. And it like blew my mind. He said if you are putting your raw milk in hot coffee, you.you are pasteurizing it. So then you're losing those benefits. I don't, I don't do that. I sometimeslet my coffee sit until 11. Okay. And now that you just said that. I put raw milk in my proteinsmoothies. Yeah, I do cold. I only do like, I do an ice chai tea latte every morning withraw milk. That's my drink. I don't even drink coffee. I thought you were going to say iced crack
01:02:48latte with how much energy you have. I'm like, I need to give me some of your energy. If you'redrinking. Oh my gosh. Oh, I'm honored. No. It's an amazing quality. Like the energy that you have is like,it's like, like, I'm like, what are you drinking? What's in your water?Not floor. I have an inside joke with my audience. When I get on my rants and I'm going crazy, we call that lobotomy hour. It's time to lobotomize me. I need to be stopped. Like, you know, we're dealing with a sick culture. Let's start with me. I'm unhinged. I'm unwell.No, but listen, we admire and love what you're doing because we admire anyone that's unapologetically themselves and speaking their truth and speaking to an audience that cares about their truth. Right. And I think that like so many, listen, again, putting the media hat on, I see so many people that kind of try to like, oh, like, how do I appease everybody?And like nobody pays attention to those people.They just don't.And then, you know, guys like me have to come and say,
01:03:35that's the reason you cut a show.You cut a show when it's getting no listens and no ratings.You don't cut a show when it's getting attention.So, so the most successful people in media are the ones, in my opinion, that are,I either love them or hate them.If you have a talent who's like, they're okay, that show is going to bomb.Boring.Yeah.
01:03:51Also, I will say if you, if I disagreed with every single thing that you just said, I would still wantyou on the show.So listen to this.We pulled.We did a, we did a survey of like 275.thousand listeners when I was doing morning radio and you asked them detailed things like,what do you think about this host? What do you think about this host? You know, what bits do you likeor not like that they're doing on the show? So you just know how to improve. The people that
01:04:13hated, hey, they said, I hate the show. I hate Alex Clark. The people that said they hated melistened longer, almost double the amount of time than the people that said they love me. Yeah,because they're looking for something to hate on. Yeah. So it's the most valuable thing you can be.The most valuable thing that you can do today is be somebody who is hated. It's the mostvaluable thing you can do.I love it when people are themselves.Okay, we have rapid...And the frogs are fucking gay.
01:04:39He's kidding.I'm just kidding.Calm down, people.He's not kidding.We have some beauty and wellness questions, and then we're going to do yourpodcast.These are rapid fire.What's your favorite skincare hack?
01:04:48Plot the tangent.We're going off on a tangent.Okay, my favorite skincare hack, am I crazy?But I feel like I learned this from your facialist to who you've had on.And it is the...You have to wash your skin with cold water.I love her.You gotta go to her.
01:05:02Wasn't that her?Are you in San Diego ever?Never.But if I ever go, I'm seeing herbecause I've loved your interviews with her.You would like her.Isn't that a tip of hers?Stacey.
01:05:10Yeah, so I learned that from Stacey.Hi, Stacey.Christy.I want to come see you.You should come see her.You would love her.Non-negotiable in your wellness routine.Besides raw milk.
01:05:20So obviously traveling is an exception,but my non-negotiable right nowis trying to be in bed before 10-30.Between 10-30.A.M.skincare routine?My AM skincare routine is I just recently stopped washing my face in the morning.I had an esthetician on who said this is like the number one mistake.
01:05:39So she said just use miscellar water.No washing face.And then I have you want like what they are?Sure.Okay.I am a big fan of mixing the Jan Marini vitamin C serum with the hyleronic acid serum.Putting that on in the morning.And then I use this moisturizer.
01:05:57It's actually a conservative own company.it's Mimi skin care. They have this this hydrating moisturizer. So I have the most bone dry skin. Nothing works. This is the only product I have ever used moisturizer wise that has worked. And it has like a little bit of retinal in it. So you sleep in this, you put it on, you wake up. It's like you've new skin. But they sent that stuff. They sent me a box of stuff when they first launched. And they're like, hey, we're this conservative skincare company. We just, we're looking for feedback. You don't have to post about us. And you know how you get that sometimes. You're like, okay, like, I'm not going to like this. And then I tried it. And that moisturizer, I said send me like 75 immediately. You've got to tell.me what this is. We'll put it in the show notes. It's so good. I'm going to send you something that Ilike for dry skin too, but you've got to send me ears and we'll put it in the show notes. What's oneproduct you never leave the house without? Okay. It has historically always been lenaiselip mask. I use that as my lip balm all throughout the day. Like that is the lip balm. And by the way,they make a tube version, not in a dish. Michael's like what? They make a tube. You're probably used tothis, but they make that tube, leneage squeeze tube. It sucks. It's a different formula. The lenaise pot is
01:06:58the creme delacrem, but it hasfreaking food dye or whatever, and it has artificialcolor dye, which I hate, because whatever'son your lips, you're ingesting it. So you'reeating it, just like if I was going to eat, you know, skittles orwhatever. So my listenersjust got me on to Dr.is it Dr. Lips Nipplebaum?
01:07:14Oh. And I'm putting that on my lips, andit's like just as good asLinnage, but no food dye.LippleBomb.Dr. LippleB. Dr. Lippon. It's in my purse.You should do a clap. His name's Dr. LippleipNipple bomb? Yeah. So I'm puttingnipple bomb on my lips.
01:07:30They're going to be like,this is what those conservativesare up to these days.They're totally wild.What is in your bag?Pull it out.Show us.TikTok wants to know.
01:07:39This is my new series.Okay.I really don't know if I haveanything good in here, Lauren.I hope that it's not.I like when people showthey're real.Don't pull out your firearm.
01:07:48Okay.Yeah.All right.So here's the Dr.Lip original nipple bomb.100% natural mega rich balmlips and glossy bits.Love it.
01:07:58I have that.Maybe you could use it as loob, too.This is my favorite lip color,which is the one I'm wearing right now.It's like obviously a mess in hair because I'm traveling.But it is the Estee Lauder.Look at this. I have a hair.This is real.
01:08:10I have a hair.It's the Estee Lauder pure color explicit in shh.Okay.Love it.And then this is my secret period hack.I always carry with me.So these are homeopathic menstrual cramp tablets.You just put like three of these under your tongue and dissolve.
01:08:24None of the crap that's in my doll.Oh.So you should be able to like,get these at like a health food store, but this is Highlands menstrual cramps.Carson, write that down, Carson.Too bad they don't cause, they don't cause meat swings.Yeah, yeah, yeah.Natural relief for period pain.
01:08:38Okay.You want me to keep going?Michael's in pain during my period.Okay. So one thing, have you seen, have you seen the, have you seen the news about howthere is like arsenic and heavy metals on our tampons?I haven't used a tampon since I was 12 and everyone gave me shit and all my friendswere like, you're disgusting.And I said, I'm not sticking some random fucking.
01:08:58dick up my pussy to let it sink into my vagina and everyone thought I was weird and now it'scoming out that there's all this bleach and aluminum it's disgusting carson's turning down the gainsas fast as awesome it was just blowing up the fucking board so the tampons are completely compromisedyou absolutely have to be using 100% organic cotton if you are not you are literally poisoning yourselfthe vagina is the most absorbent area of the body team to start the tip top teaser clip with thetampons are compromised. That's the opening line of the twosers are compromised. The vagina is the mostabsorb an area of the body and it is absorbing more than your mouth. Think about it because you have toabsorb sperm to have a baby or whatever or you know all that's going on. So, so the 100% organic tampons and I like this brand Garnu, G-A-R-N-U, and every purchase, some of the purchase goes towards fighting human trafficking in Nepal, which I think is cool.
01:09:51So they're completely non-toxic and fight human trafficking. By the way, I don't wear underwear and the underwear that I have for mykids is non-toxic too. So look into that because that's gross too. That's been compromised.Oh. Oh. Oh, you got a freshie. That's cute. I have a freshie.How cute is that? So there you go. That's a little old to you. So yes, see, I'm like a reallistener. That's so cool. Yeah. Now I got to get you some mouth tape and a mint roller.I own it all, girl. I have everything. I've got your balls. I've got your ice roller. I've,I've gotten the serum. I have the mouth tape. By the way, the best mouth tape on the market,the cutest. Everything is ugly. Yours is the only cute one. That's so nice. Yeah. So I have everything.
01:10:30What is your favorite product? We have to feature you in the newsletter. I mean, it's the ice roller.The ice roller. Okay. But I really want the one thing that I really want to try that I don't have yet is that, um,dry brush. Yes. The dry brush. So what I really like about you is that you are the only other person inmedia like me who understands world building when it comes to podcasting. You guys have created a world.Skinny Confidential is a world.I don't know if you realize that.But your products, your branding, it's an experience.It's a lifestyle.
01:11:00You have like different things that your audience associates with you.And I am the same way about how I build in brand my podcast.So it is like you're going into like a little world and escaping into a world.That's funny.We have a Ferris wheel out back.I call it the skinny confidential land, but I like the world.See?The word world.
01:11:21And that makes total sense of why I was attracted.to your content because it's when I went on your page, it was like you can really tell your brandand you are unapologetically yourself. It's refreshing. If you look at everything through that lens,and I think this is like at the crux of how we view things. It's like if you look at all of thisas a brand, then you're not as limit. Like my biggest issue with people in media is that theylook at it through the lens of only like advertisers in media. And I think we look at it the waythat you're talking about, which is, okay, if you have,this platform, then you can go into products and you can go into experiences and you can go into
01:11:57platforms and you can do shows and we have to go on her podcast. Pimp yourself out. Where can we findyou? Where can we follow you? Where can we support what you're doing? You can find me on Instagram atReal Alex Clark. And then my podcast is culture apothecary because we are healing a sick culturephysically, mentally and spiritually. Every guest brings their own remedy. And an apothecary was theoriginal place in society you would go to for natural remedies. So culture apothecary.Spotify, Apple, and you can watch my episodes on YouTube, real Alex Clark on YouTube.Michael and I were also interviewed on Alex's podcast. We did a swap. So go listen to that one.I feel like she asked us so many questions we've never been asked before. It was a really fun episode.
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