The Bossticks - Angie Lee & Mike Lee On Autoimmune Disorders, Health Optimization, Sleep, CBD, & Brain Function

Episode Date: April 28, 2023

#565: Today we're sitting down with the founders of SOUL CBD, Angie and Mike Lee. This sibling duo founded SOUL in 2018 after their personal journeys with holistic wellness led them to dive into natural ways to fix anxiety, sleep, and pain. Angie, a podcaster, content creator, speaker & comedian struggled with ADHD and decided to forge her own path to wellness with her brother Mike, a former world-ranked professional boxer who decided to retire following the diagnosis of an autoimmune disorder. Today we get into how your body responds to stress and how CBD can affect your brain when it comes to stress, sleep and pain. We also discuss health optimization and how we can work on positive brain function.  This episode is brought to you by Soul CBD With Soul, Wellness Never Tasted So Good! Visit www.getsoul.com/SKINNY & use code SKINNY at checkout for 30% off your entire order.   To learn more about Soul, follow @get.soul on IG   To connect with Angie Lee click HERE To connect with Mike Lee click HERE To connect with Lauryn Evarts click HERE To connect with Michael Bosstick click HERE Read More on The Skinny Confidential HERE Subscribe to our YouTube channel HERE For Detailed Show Notes visit TSCPODCAST.COM    

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Welcome to the skinny confidential, him and her. I always kind of had a feeling as a kid that I felt different in school. I felt like other kids were able to finish the book or watch the boring movie about the presidents or whatever. And I was like, get me out of here. This is jail. I just want to go do something fun and creative. And so it wasn't until about two years ago that I was like, hey, I want to go to the clinic and actually see what's going on. That's kind of why we started.

We had no idea it would start to grow and it would take off the way it did. But I knew in my heart that I had to change my lifestyle, start meditating, learn breath work, diet. it, like all these things that I wasn't talking to doctors about. And so that was really the birth of the company is like, what is the CBD stuff? Oh, it's all natural. It comes from hemp. I want to look into it. Welcome back to yet another episode of the Skinny Confidential Him and Her Show.

Today we're sitting down with the founders of Soul CBD, Angie Lee and Mike Lee. This sibling duo founded Seoul in 2018 after their personal journeys with holistic wellness, led them to dive into natural ways to fix anxiety, sleep and pain. many things that many of us struggle with. Angie's a podcaster, content creator, speaker, and aspiring comedian who struggled with ADHD and decided to forge her own path to wellness with her brother, Mike, who is a former world-ranked professional boxer who decided to retire following the diagnosis of an autoimmune disorder, which we get into here. This is a wild story. Today we get into how your body response is stress, how CBD can affect your brain when it comes to stress, sleep,

and pain. We also get into the difference between CBD and THC, what to use for periods, and PMS, all things menstruation, exciting stuff, and the alter ego effect. This thing's really a wellness-packed episode for all of you wellness freaks out there. With that, Angie and Mike, welcome to the skinny confidential, him and her show. This is the skinny confidential, him and her. I heard you guys are very, very good at podcasting. That's something I did hear about you. Angie's better than me.

I've done a, see, it's interesting. I've done a lot of interviews during my boxing career, but now kind of diving into the entrepreneurial health and wellness is. is newer for me, but I was so used to it during my career with all the fights and all the PR and kind of bullshit you have to go through. How long did you box for? I had a 10-year career. Wow. I turned pro at 21 right out of college. I'm soon, are we just running? Yeah, we're running. Yeah, there we're running and gunning. It's happened. We're running and running. Yeah. I turned pro at 21 right out of college. I got signed by top rank. So for me, it was like getting signed by the

Yankees because they had Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather. And I just won the Chicago Golden Gloves. And things started kind of taken off. And I ended up finishing with 20. Fights finished 21 and 1. Then my last fight, I fought for a world title at MGM Grand for the IBF 168 pound world title in July of 2019 and then retired because I was tired of getting punched in the face. How old were you when you retired? I was 32. That's what's crazy about fighting as a career. I mean like 32. Wait a minute. You know, we have to retire. I am reading Arnold Schwarzenegger's book and I'm seeing the prep that goes into these bodybuilding and I'm not saying it's the same, but there's similarities.

when you decide that you're going to do this, what does the prep look like? It's one of the most grueling sports in the world. Right. I need to like specifics on this prep. Well, and you really feel isolated. Like you definitely have a team. But the interesting thing about boxing is, you know, whether you're fighting for Madison Square Garden or a small fight, when the bell rings, you go forward and the rest of your

team and posse that's behind you goes back, right? So you're alone in there. But in terms of the routine, it's usually like for a big fight, like eight to ten week camp. In a training camp, you have multiple sessions of strength conditioning, you have sparring, which is basically fighting, but with headgear on, you have body work. It's basically just getting you your body and mind in top shape for that exact moment. And it's wild that, you know, for instance, fighting for the world title was a dream mind since I was eight years old and I first put on gloves. And it's wild in boxing that a moment like that that you dream of at most could

last 36 minutes, 12 rounds. Are you doing things like running, lifting, or is it just boxing that you're doing to prepare for this? You're doing both. So there's a strength and conditioning aspect of it because you're trying to increase your game, but obviously the boxing is at the forefront. And then on top of that, it's also managing injuries, managing your health and wellness and then managing your weight. That's the one thing I'm really happy I don't have to do anymore. I got so shredded. Well, so my last fight, that last title fight, My agent called me with the opportunity. And it was drink them true. And right away, he was like, it's one weight class lower than what you're used to.

What are you weighing right now? And I told him, we're good. Like, I'm like 182 pounds. Like, we're fine. The fight was at 168. I hung up the phone, stepped on the scale. I was 202. Oh, Jesus.

Oh, my God. What do you do? I wanted the fight. I lost 33 pounds, whatever it was. How? Tell them. It's not fun. Well, first of all, I had months to prepare, but.

Be really honest. But this is just a, like you're just getting down for just this fight. Then you can come back up, obviously. That is the one thing you got to keep in mind. So I weighed in at 167, 24 hours before the fight. And then by the time I step in the ring, I'm 15 pounds heavier. And that's common for fighters to put on 15, 20 plus pounds in between a lot of its water weight. They talk about this a lot now, a lot of, because like, that's what they're saying is like the way in versus what you're actually stepping in the ring is completely different.

So wait. So how do you go from 208 pounds you said? Two, I think. Yeah. Okay, to 160. 116. Yeah. I'm like, you're going to get some tips.

Yeah. Tell us. I mean, lose his baby weight. I got to give credit to my nutritionist. His name's Andy Galpin. He does a lot of stuff with Andrew Huberman. He's just a genius. So he's one of those guys that like he tells me what to eat, when to eat,

and you're going to wake up at 172.5. And I wake up at 172.5. So a lot of it is for me, I definitely want to get my carbs in because I'm training really hard. but it's all about bringing that weight down the week of the fight or even two weeks for the fight. And at that point, it's kind of water manipulation. So maybe you're prepping for a show or you're just trying to lose weight temporarily or whatever it is. You do a lot of like sweating it out. So we're in the sauna.

We're wearing like sweatsuits. We're putting something called abalone all over our body, which is. No water? You're not drinking water. I think I didn't drink water for probably 24 hours or so. That's very common. Wow. Yeah.

So a lot of the weight is water weight. A significant amount of it because come fight week, I was probably eight pounds overweight. And they don't tell you to load on protein. They say a little carb because you're training. A little carb, but especially the week of, we almost go into a little bit of ketosis. And that's how we're right. So we're going very high protein, very high fats. And that keeps me satiated.

And then nothing with sodium, right? So like pickles or anything that would like add to that water weight is really important to keep out of your diet. Pickles. I'm not saying pick. Fuck with a pickle. I love a juicy pickle. Pickles are fine. I love a juicy pickle. But if you're about to fight for a world title and you got to hit weight, otherwise you don't get paid. A pickle is like not what you should be eating before you get

in a bikini. There you go. Perfect. Good to know. Good to know. Okay. So simultaneously while you're doing all this, Angie, I know you are so entrepreneurial. You have a whole story. What are you doing while he's prepping for this fight? While Mike is fighting. I'm hosting live events, my podcast, building my online brand. And I had already been obsessed with health and wellness. Mike's doing all his crazy biohacks to shed weight. Yeah, it was really interesting because when we decided to come together and start soul, you know, I was just dealing with a lot of anxiety as a speaker,

hosting these big events, building my brand, just working a lot in my 20s. He was dealing with a lot of the repair that was necessary and all of the stuff he had to go through with boxing. So that's kind of when we came together and we were like, should we do this? We both are using this. Let me ask both of you this. So yeah, I was doing personal brand stuff. while he was getting punched in the face.

It sounds like both of you have like a, you know, an interest in personal health, wellness, sports, brother and sister grew up in Alabama. What was your parents? What were your parents like? Were they focused on these kind of activities and wellness and health? Yeah, it's interesting you say that my dad brought me to a gym, as I mentioned when I was eight years old. And as I get older, I kind of realized that a lot of the reason I became an athlete was

really like searching for his love and his approval. And I probably should have retired earlier than I did. What happened to me is I was about 12 and 0 undefeated in the middle of my career and all of a sudden I started getting really sick. We had to cancel a big fight. It was my first fight on HBO. My immune system shut down. I ended up spending the next almost two years in and out of hospitals battling what we later found out was an autoimmune disease. And that really was just the start because with autoimmunity, it takes over and it becomes a domino effect.

So what autoimmune? It's called ankylosing spondylitis. It affects the- I've never heard of that. What is that? It affects the spine. inflammation that affects the spine, but I also was diagnosed with Lyme disease and they thought I had lupus. It was a whole just kind of series of tough moments in my life. And I really do believe

looking back at it now, because I was so healthy at the time. I was in such fight or flight, literally. And my nervous system was just out of whack that when things came in to upset it, it just wrecked havoc. And so it took a long time for me to get back in the ring. You know Adam from Strong Coffee? You know Strong Coffee Company? Yeah, yeah. He was a fighter. And, he's same thing he said his nervous system was so fucked and like he was in great shape and one day he was sparring and his shoulder just like completely exploded like all the tension all the stress all like the abuse that he carried it just yeah adam how you doing man it just exploded and like on paper he was super healthy everything looked good but it was just like his nervous system was just so shot

the cortisol yeah it's a fighter thing though there's that book the body keeps score it sounds like that's what was happening to you but i have a couple questions lime disease is this from a tick They say it is, although not where you get it and when you get it is kind of questionable, right? So all I know is it's chronic Lyme for me. And so fighting it naturally with not with antibiotics is kind of the route that we've gone. The other one is inflammation of the spine. Does that have to do with fighting, like actual fighting? Or do you think it's a byproduct of the cortisol from fighting? I think it's a byproduct just of the autoimmune disease. You know, I think part of it with autoimmunity is genetics. And then lifestyle is a huge indicator, right? So I had a gene known as HLAB-27, which is a good indicator for ankylosing spondylitis, but not the indicator. So what triggered that, I do think, is my lifestyle and what upregulated or down-regulated

those genes was my lifestyle, which at the time was my body didn't realize, I mean, I was fighting for my life. I mean, people die in the ring. And so I think I was struggling with that internally because I started winning. I had Super Bowl commercials. I got to fight a mass square garden. Like all my quote-unquote dreams are coming true. but deep down inside, I didn't want to do it. I am such an empath. I was hurting people. I was getting hurt,

broken noses. And I think that it took a long time for me to realize there was this disconnect between what my soul wanted and what society and all these other people wanted. And I was just searching for that love. So I kept fighting and kept winning until finally, it was just enough's enough, too much pain. When you're in the ring or hurting people, what is that like you, to me, you seem like a very, like, gentle person. It's hard to like imagine that. I think I've become two different people. During the ringwalk, I did a lot of visualization. I did a lot of mental prep. But I really, I love competition. I don't like fighting. So I don't like hurting someone, but I want to win at all costs. I'll do anything to win. Two fights ago, I broke my rib in the second round for a junior

world title. And I went eight rounds of the broken rib, got back to the dressing room. I won the fight somehow. To this day, I don't know how, completely collapsed and spent the entire night in the hospital until 4 or 5 a.m. with the broken rib. You can't do anything for that, right? Just got to lay there, huh? You just got to lay there. Yeah, it's tough. So your mentality really dictates kind of if you can get through those and what type of fighter you are. But it was always, as I mentioned, that kind of disconnect. And it really taught me that, like, I need to get into things that I feel alignment with in my soul, I need to be truthful to myself and boxing and sports and pain on other people and myself was no longer serving me. And it's so wild. When I lost my last fight, I thought I'd be devastated.

The first thought I had was relief. I got knocked out, MGM Grand. The fight got stopped. And I was disappointed. I wanted to keep fighting. I wanted to win. But when I got back to the dressing room and things calmed down, I was relieved. I was like, it's over. Because I was so over. and didn't want to do it. And it was like sucking out my soul. And especially for my little sister, it was tough. You know, she'd literally be crying during fights. She couldn't watch me get hit.

Good thing I won more than I lost. I think a lot of people who are listening are doing things that they don't want to do for the wrong reasons, for their parents, for their peers, for their significant other. And I think it's so liberating to probably be like, I don't care what anyone else thinks. I'm going to do what works for me. Especially when the consequences are pain and death. It's interesting. Or brain damage.

A lot of boxers, you know. Yeah. And so I've been doing a lot of things like I have a hyperbaric chamber machine, my diet. I went to the Aman Clinic. We just went there. I know. We're going to talk about that. I already researched that.

Don't get ahead of. Don't blow your love, bitch. Don't blow your love. I went with Angie. When we talk about that, yeah, we definitely got to talk with Angie about her brain. He loves my brain. Yeah. Her brain's wild.

I was proactive in terms of like concussions. But I still worry about that. I'm so grateful for. for the career I had and I got to experience incredible things that very few people will get to. And I worked my ass off and it brought joy and pain and all the things in between. But you're right. We talked earlier about being 32. There's a part of me that feels like did I peak at 32?

What do you do now? And a lot of athletes and my buddies who either played ball or fought or guys in the military or anytime you have your purpose and identity wrapped up in what you do and that's taken from you because it feels like it's taken from me because my body made the choice. not my mind, kind of in a sense. So it's tough to grapple with that loss of identity. It's almost like a death. I feel like the only way to deal with that is to be defined by a vision of your future. So Joe Dispenza, but like he says like instead of looking at the past constantly and rewinding the past, it's like you have to define what the future is and put yourself in the future

and think of yourself like you did visualization. Do that and only think about the future. Does that make sense? It's actually great advice because I got so good at visualizing what I wanted, quote unquote, wanted, which was winning a world title. It makes total sense how you did it. You've visualized it constantly, probably. And now I don't know what to visualize, though. I mean, I love running the company. We're helping people. I'm very fulfilled. But if I'm going to be honest, that feeling you get when you jump on the ropes in front of 20,000 people, it's better than any drug you've ever had in your life. I think that's a really honest conversation that you say that. I think there's a lot of people listening that don't know what to visualize. And I think that's probably a lot of inner work

that you have to do. You have to go down that road sort of by yourself. There's no one who can tell you what that is. Well, I think specifically in sports and entertainment, right? Because if, I mean, in entertainment, maybe you have a little more longevity because your body's not required to be beaten up so much, right? Quote unquote, no pun intended. But yeah, I imagine that's hard for a lot of guys and especially guys go to war, go to the military, people, you know, that are doing, you know, high impact sports. And then their age forces them to kind of quit. Like everyone always wonders why Tom Brady doesn't quit. It's like all the money in the world.

It's not bad. It's like it's the thing he probably gets from when he goes and does the. It's the dopamine hit. It's so addictive. Speaking of autoimmune, you got your breast implants removed. I did. Yes. Wow.

I almost forgot. It's been four years. Talk to me about that. First of all, I want to go like way back to when you got them in. And then when you started experiencing symptoms. What was that? Yeah. I was 19 years old and similar to a lot of women.

I thought if I just get some nice big boobies, I will be loved. right? Every guy will like me. I'll get a boyfriend. My life will be complete. I'm just going to say it like it is. Okay. And so I remember I went home from college one weekend and I said, Mom, I just need some boobs, you know? I think some kid in high school told me I always had a gymnast body. I was a gymnast growing up for like 15 years. Super lean but didn't have big boobs. So I thought like, this is it. This is going to be my secret to happiness. Right. You're a 19 year old girl. So I get them in. And I was fine for about the first, I would say five to seven years. And then about seven and a half years is when I started to feel like I didn't feel as healthy as I should for how well I was taking care of my body, how much I was exercising, how well I was eating. And I noticed that I was getting a little bit of joint pain and my knees and my hands. And so I was kind of, I didn't correlate it yet. I was actually, ironically, on Facebook one day. And I keep seeing this girl posting about how she was getting her implants out. This is four years ago in 2018 before it was as big as it is now.

Obviously, a lot of women are waking up to BII, which is breast implant illness. and now women are waking up to that the realities of it's a foreign object in your body. It probably shouldn't be in there that long. And it's causing some autoimmune issues for a lot of women. And so I see this post from this girl. I'm like, what is this? This must be bullshit. What is she talking about?

And I DM'd her. And to this day, she actually lives here now, which is funny. But because this girl was nice enough to get on the phone with me, I didn't even know her. And I was like, this is what I'm experiencing. Is that what, is that what it felt like? And she was like, yeah, that's exactly what it felt like. And I was like, oh, shit, this is crazy. What is my identity going to be like without these boobs or, you know, you

just gets so wrapped up in in this thing that you that you got. So yeah, I went into a doctor in Orange County and I said to him, do you believe that this could be correlated? My joint pain. I feel like my eyes weren't as clear. My skin was breaking out more. I just, I felt inflamed, like puffy. I just didn't feel as good as I should at 27 years old, 28 years old. And he said, you know, this is a big part of my business now. I don't do a lot of putting them in anymore because I'm just seeing so many women coming and saying this. And he said, off the record, I can't, I can't say it to you. Can't publish this. But every single woman who comes in and gets them out always feels better, at least. I was like, all right, I might as well take the risk. And he said, do you want to

kids one day? I said, absolutely. I want to be a mom. He's like, well, they're just going to get big and saggy anyway one day. So I said, take them out. Did you have expectation with going in? Did you know you were going to feel better? Were you kind of like, yeah, let's see. I thought to myself, you don't have to be a doctor to say, okay, what, what is the the temperature of our body. And then I have a foreign object that's been in there for eight years. I don't know. It can't hurt to take it out. Right. Obviously, I was afraid of the anesthesia, but I thought it could only help my body. And I want to do this before kids so I could detox anything that I need to detox. And I joined this Facebook group called breast implant illness.

And at the time, there was like 10,000 women. I think now it has way more than that. And they were all showing their before and after. So even their face and just the iris, like the color of their, like, not the iris. The white of your eyes. The white of your eyes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The of your eyes was more clear. And I just kept seeing these testimonials. And I was like, this is crazy. Because these women aren't making money from this. Why would they be sharing these stories? And so, yeah, it was kind of a roll of the dice. I just remember thinking, okay, do I want to maintain these for the rest of my life? And my answer was a full body no. I was like, I don't want to keep getting anesthesia every five, 10 years. I might as well just get them out.

I don't really care about them that much anymore. And so, yeah, I got my appointment on the fourth of July because nobody wanted that date. I remember. They were like, all right, our wait list is like literally eight months or or somebody in I know right I'm getting my boobs out and I remember they called and they were like yeah this isn't like two weeks you want to do this or you wait like eight months it was just a long wait list and I was like right let's go I went and it was a very easy procedure did they remove the capsule yes yes so that's very important when for any women listening who are interested you want to remove the capsule as well because that's where it holds supposedly a lot of the toxins or can hold things so they remove both and my recovery was great it was easy I would do it a million times over

But that was my experience. I was still young. So I thought, I'm going to do it now when I'm young and can can handle the recovery of it. Yeah, it was a great decision. I didn't deal with a lot of issues after. I know a lot of women do with feeling like body image issues. I was really confident in my decision. I felt like I want to feel like myself again. And I remember waking up from the surgery and all of a sudden you feel like the heavy books that have been on your chest are lifted. And so I remember waking up and I'm like, oh, you know, I'm drugged up. But I looked over at my mom and I'm like, I can breathe. Oh my God. And she's like, yeah, because all the weight was off my chest. And it felt so good to hug people and feel them again. So I definitely think, listen, everybody,

it's, you know, your body, your thing. But I'm really glad I did it. Yeah, I am. I had a great experience. Did you notice any changes after they were removed? So I did. I noticed my joint pain that was in my knee specifically went away. And I noticed my skin started to improve within a week, which is crazy. Wow. So, and then it just kept getting better from there. And yeah, it's been great. It's easier to work out. It's easier to sleep. Everything is easier when it's just more functional. You don't have tags in the way. So, yeah. It's kind of crazy to think about it, that you, like, have these, like, foreign things in there

that are just, like, bouncing around and, like... I know. What's crazy is some women say that when mine didn't. I have pictures of them. Mine came out pretty clean. He was like, yours were still good. But some women, because it's saline, they're getting mold, I guess. Like, they're moldy water.

And then the tag is still on some of them. Like, doctors who are just being fast and cheap about it, shove them in there. And so when they take them out, they're like, oh, the tag and stickers are on. So there's been a sticker in your body. There's been mold in your body. So I don't know. I just saw the pictures and I was like, you know what? I'm out.

Listen, I used to get paranoid if I almost swallowed a piece of chewing gum. I thought that was going to stay in me for seven years. Seven years. Yeah. You swallowed worse than chewing gum, motherfucker. Chewing gum. But still, like, you know, like I can't imagine like having a fucking. Yeah, I felt a lot healthier.

And I have countless girlfriends now, probably 10 close girlfriends who've done it. My good friend, Yovana did it a few years ago as well. And everybody's experience is always. They feel so much healthier on the other side. No one's like, oh, I feel worse. Yvonne is coming on the podcast, so I'll have to ask her. She got hers removed. She's one of my best friends. Yeah. She will tell you all about it because I think with her, she dealt with a little bit more of like, who am I now after? And a lot of women deal with body image issues after. But for me, once I made the decision in my head, like, this is who you are. Go back to who you were before this.

You're going to love yourself. And I remember the first time I looked in the mirror. And I was like, all right, if it's bad, it's bad. If it's good, it's good. And I looked. And I was like, all right. It's not too bad. Did you do a lift or do you just get them removed? Do you do a fat transfer? Is it just a removal? I did nothing because in my situation, my upper body is very lean. And I was, I still am young. This was four years ago. But he said, I don't suggest a lift if you want to have children. It's another five grand.

Might as well, he's like, if I'm honest with you, I might as well save you some money and time under surgery because your breast tissue is going to stretch anyway and expand once you're pregnant one day. So he's like, I honestly, you have a lean upper body. I think you're going to be fine. And he was right. Within a year, they like kind of fluff back up and you're fine. So look at these two motherfuckersers, but don't have to deal with any of the shit.

pregnancy, it's all over you guys' head. 100%. I don't make the rule. I say this every time, yeah. I didn't make the rules. I know. I just wish there was like a ball implants or like something that you guys got that was like what do you mean?

Mike has balls implants. Oh yeah. No, I got that last year. It's great. Wait, do you really? No. Oh, I was like, I would love to interview you.

Isn't there something where there's a simulator to where the men can feel a similar pain of childbirth as women now? He did a, the, the, the, it's. No, it's not that. I did the thing where you wear the stomach. Which honestly, it's not bad. Oh, yeah, I saw you. But do you feel pain?

Or it's just like literally. There's the thing that, like, gives you the contraction. I haven't done that yet. Okay. But my whole thing is like, why? Like, what do you, like, do you think it's going to make me develop more empathy? I don't know. No, I'm just wondering if I have empathy, but do think that's like that's the thing.

I would rather give birth 600 times in a row than be pregnant for 10 months because it's so much work. Listen, I love women, but I mean, that this is, women do some stupid shit. I don't need to wear that thing, right? When men do stupid shit too. I don't need to wear the thing and be like, oh, this is just not how I'm made up. Can you say men can't have babies on it anymore in 2020? I don't know. So, like, I don't need to know.

I'm going to tread lightly on this one. Mike's pregnant. No, I'm just. Mike, I tried treading lightly about 100 episodes ago. No, I'm just, no, I'm just. Yeah, it's interesting because I'm like, I won't even take an Advil kind of girl. But I really think I'm going to get an epidural because I just, you know, I'm, I mean, who's not afraid of that.

So I'm kind of, I'm staying open minded. I just, my thought is. is get the epidural before the pain starts. Yeah. Because if you know you're going to get it, why would you wait till the pain's there? True. So that was my thought on it. It's kind of like, you know, I think if you're, I think.

Give me the fucking epidural. It hurts so bad. Well, if you're going to get it, you might as well, like she said, get it early. The epidural's fun. It's a good time. Yeah. I recommend it. I mean, take a CBD gummy too, but also take some, why don't women just drink, like a little bit of

wine right before. I feel like that'd be really smart. Yeah. Why not? Yeah. I don't know if the. that counteracts with the epidural. Smoke a sig, have a glass of wine.

Get high? Why not? I feel like they did that millions of years ago. Probably. Maybe you, maybe, it's like, it's a pretty physical activity. Have you ever, like, trying to do anything when you're drunk? It's kind of like, you might not want to try to push a human out of you. Okay.

So you guys are both working on each other's business. You both have autoimmune things. When did you decide to start this company together? And was the why because of the wellness journeys that you guys have gone through? Yeah. I mean, really the, the genesis of the company started after I broke my rib and that fight. I had all this time off. When you break a rib, there's nothing you can do. So I had like six to eight months off to where I wasn't getting phone calls from my manager. There was no

fights. Like I just had to rest and heal. And I had already been obsessed with CBD at that point. I was on laurasopam and anti-anxiety med. And when I discovered CBD about a year earlier and then it got cleared by WADA, who I was getting drug tested by, I became obsessed with it and it helped me get off of the anti-anxiety med. So I was like, man, there's something to this. So we initially just kind of started as a little side hustle. You know, Angie was doing her thing, speaking on big stages. She had her podcast, and I just had this downtime. It just started blowing up because we realized how many people are struggling with sleep, anxiety, and most importantly, how many people are looking for low risk, high reward, natural alternatives. And that's really the genesis and the ethos

of the company now is that I was on eight different medications at one point. I mean, I'm stabbing myself in the leg with Humera. I'm taking method track. The list goes on. on and on. What are those medicines for people that have no idea? What do you mean you're stabbing yourself in the leg? Humera is a, I think it's a TNF blocker. Essentially, it's an immune suppressor. So when you have autoimmunity, there's a lot of different things, Enbral, Humera, that you can shoot into your leg. It's like one of those pens that you put in your thigh, your stomach. It's painful. But it suppresses your immune system because when you have autoimmunity, your immune system is overreacting, right? It deems everything as a threat. So I was on that for years. That gave me bad

skin issues, then I would get nauseous, so I had medication for that. Then I had pain, so they gave me painkillers. It's just, it's any, if you have a hammer, everything looks like a nail, right? So for me, going to all these doctors, these quote unquote top doctors and all they wanted to do is write prescriptions, I just kind of knew that number nine wasn't the answer. I knew in my heart that I had to change my lifestyle, start meditating, learn breath work, diet, like all these things that I wasn't talking to doctors about in the quick 15 minutes where they just wanted to write a script. And so that was really the birth of the company is like, what is the CBD stuff? Oh, it's all natural. It comes from hemp. I want to look into it. That's kind of why we started.

We had no idea it would start to grow and it would take off the way it did. But incredibly grateful. And while this is going on, I've heard from Brent and Brooke from the road that you were struggling with ADD and I heard you're very open about it. I would love for you to break down the differences between ADD. I know you're very well versed. This is what I've heard. And just, and how you knew you had ADD and how CBD has helped with the ADD. Yeah, Mike loves that I have ADD. That's why I'm laughing. Yeah, I went to, I went to the Amen Clinic. It's been a year and a half now to get it confirmed, but I kind of always had an idea growing up. I was the kid who would come home from school and paint my room a different color every week because I just needed novelty.

That's a huge sign of ADHD is you need newness. You need novelty. You need the dopamine hit. So when you have ADD, your prefrontal cortex isn't producing as much dopamine, supposedly. So that's why a lot of times you'll see these people be very creative, very adventurous. I want to jump out of planes. I don't. I actually don't have that side of it. But they want newness. They want that novelty, right? The dopamine hit. And so I always kind of had a feeling as a kid that I felt different in school. I felt like other kids were able to finish the book or watch the boring movie about the presidents or whatever. And I was like, get me out of here. This is jail. I just want to go do something fun and creative. So I had an idea. but my mom, I'm really grateful. She didn't want to label me, which I'm happy she did, because I think when you do that really young, your children then think they have something wrong with them instead of, hey, this could possibly be to your advantage, or there's a lot of people who have this now. And so it wasn't until about two years ago that I was like, hey, I want to go to the clinic, Dr. Daniel Amin's clinic, and actually see what's going on. And that's when it was confirmed. I got on the Zoom and the guy, the doctor was like, yeah, your creative center

of your brain is very well lit. And you have very strong type 1 ADD. So there's seven different types. There's inattentive. There's ones that, I guess, are more hyperactive. There's seven different types they said, which is fascinating. So you want to treat all of them differently. So some respond better to Adderall and meds. Some don't. I've chosen to not. Have you ever met on Adderall before? I've done it only twice in college to lose weight, quote unquote. So did it help at all? It does, but I felt, didn't feel like myself. Got it. It numbed me out. And I was so focused that I did one thing for seven hours. And it took away my spirit and my creativity. And so now, as I'm an adult, it's really learning how can I see this as an advantage? I do think some of the most

creative people have it. It's just learning how to manage it and channel it and create in my environment to work for me with it instead of letting my environment get me because it can be difficult. So once the guy gets on Zoom and says you have this, how did you make your environment work for you? Yeah. They prescribe a few different things. So they first obviously asked you, are you open to being on Adderall? And I said, listen, I think it's kind of like legalized crack. I don't. I don't know if that's a good idea for me. I just wasn't a fan of it. I do think if some people want to do it, that's fine. But then they go down the supplementation route. So a lot of it's high levels of healthy fats, omegas, fish oils, ginko, coba maniari, which is actually in beekeepers natural. I know you guys

like the little shot of beekeepers. I love beekeepers. Our alert caps have B12, ginseng. Basically, I've gone the natropic route. And natropics are essentially natural cognitive enhancers. And so I've decided to really play with natropics. I've probably played with every natropic a million times just to kind of see how my body responds to them, playing around with intermittent fasting, playing around with different organizational apps and systems. And then exercise, you know, I know you guys obviously love to work out as well. What's released when you exercise is called BDNF, which is brain-derived neutropic factor. This happens after you lift weights. This happens after you have a sprint up a hill. You get that rush to your brain, that tingly feeling

when you do a hit. And you're like, oh, I feel so good. And you feel so clear. So playing with that. So now, like before this, I went and I pushed my body a little bit to get that feeling naturally that essentially a medication would give you. So I'm constantly playing around with movement, exercise, organization, my sleep and natropics. And then time blocking things. Because if not, it's hard. It can be very overwhelming. This character, Dr. Daniel, I mean, he worries me. Well, he's been on the show and I love him and we just did the thing. And I like, I'm the guy. I want to know everything that's going on in the business. I want to look at every stone. I want to know what's going to my body. I think all the. I'm a lot. I I don't know if I want him to tell me what's going on with my brain. Oh, you didn't do it? No, I did it. Oh, but I'm scared.

I don't know. We haven't had to call you. Oh, shit. We got to call him right now. I'm scared to talk to him, Dr. Daniel, I'm scared of you. What if he's like,

Michael, it's not looking good? What if your brain just has hair all over it? Because you have so much hair. Listen, I know what he's going to, he's going to, listen, I was not kind to myself when I was a kid. I know I fucked that thing.

Like, don't tell me about that. Just tell me what's going to happen. Like, partying? No, not just part. Yeah, partying and drinking. I mean, listen, I think I started drinking alcohol and I was 13 years old. I had a fake ID before I had a real ID.

He's a little scared of the results. It'll be fine. I know he's going to say what the hell happened when you're younger. Also, like, I was fighting, but I wasn't fighting like, I don't just getting beat up or vice versa. Just being dumb, dumb and young and whatever. And I clean it up since. But I don't want, I'm like, I've been trying this whole time to fix the damage.

And I'm like, I don't know if I want to know what's under that. You're still so young, though. The brain is so. malible. That's what Dr. Daniel Amon says when you get there. He's like, listen, whatever you hear, like, most things you can, you can improve significantly through lifestyle factors. What is a natropic? A natropic is a natural cognitive enhancer that doesn't have the side effects similar to a medication. And so a lot of them, the most common ones are caffeine, B vitamins, ginko, thianine, Akoba Moniari, these ones that you'll see, green tea is considered one, anything that's essentially stimulating

the brain and increasing dopamine. And which one has really worked? Like out of all of them, if you have to pick one? I noticed the best with Bacobamaniari and Ginko. Those two, like, I feel it. What's the brand? You know, I'm going to ask you the brain. Yeah, beekeepers, the little brain shot.

And then our alert caps have Ginko in them. So on days where I do want a little caffeine, I'll do our caps. But the days where I don't want caffeine, I don't, I mostly don't do caffeine throughout them all. Only a few times a month. Mike plays with it more. He does well in caffeine. I'll do the beekeeper shot.

And I just feel a little bit like I can get. Keeper shot is like a little natural adderall, so I have to try mixing it with your alert capsule. You'd have a very productive day. Let me ask you maybe a counter question, because I know, I want to get into this with you guys. What do you think people in the CBD space do wrong? Because there's so many characters, like, I think the thing here is like, how do you vet the, because I know that it can be a very beneficial, you know, element to add into your routine. But there's a lot of, I mean, it's become, you know, popular and there's a lot of kind of characters that maybe shouldn't be in the space. So

for those kind of people that are hesitant to get into CBD, like what do you think the bad kind of actors do in this space? And I do want to give you guys a compliment. Brooke from the road looks at all the ingredients. You know that. She's my facialist in Austin. You go to her too. Yeah, she's great. And she's very holistic and she's very ingredient like she looks. And she told me she goes, the CBD is great. I've used it. I try it. I recommend it. Well, that's what I think like CBD's amazing. But if, but there's a lot of bad actors. And so I wanted you guys going to speak to that. There are.

Creepy bros in their mom's basement with a farm in their backyard selling it on Amazon, right? So we are not that. It's interesting you say that. It's a great question because they've actually done studies most recently looking at like the top 100 brands in the market and finding that a huge number, like 79% of them are not recording the amount of CBD or any other cannabinoids that's actually in there. Right. So they're saying that our gummies are 25 milligrams.

our tinctures are X amount of milligrams, and then you go test it, it's not there. Or even you go on Amazon, they've tested products on Amazon that have no CBD, that say they have CBD in it because they're just cutting costs and they're getting ingredients from China. So what to look for is what's known as COA's, it's a certificate of analysis. I think it's really important to get the third party lab testing. And what we do differently, and to be quite honest, a little bit selfishly because I was paranoid for popping a drug test, we do double third party lab testing. So not only do we get the third party lab testing.

When I was boxing, yeah, sorry, when I was boxing, it had huge implications, right, for my career, my life, everything. So we do double third party lab testing, which I think very few brands do. It costs us more money to do. But I want to make sure with complete certainty that not only are the products efficacious, but what's in there is actually in there. And so for us, it's important to go above and beyond and make sure people understand that this is a healthy, phenomenal alternative to prescription meds.

So if someone's out there and they're like a CBD for me, who is CBD for? And instead of say, like everyone, like give us like this one of my about to take. This is not a sleep one, right? No, no. Don't worry, though. I'm going to give you the sleep one tonight when you're trying to talk my ear off. I already have it packaged away for you. Oh, I'm feeling tired.

She's going to hand you one of those and then put her mouth tape. Pink lemonade. Oh, it tastes good. I know. It does taste good. It's really good. Thank you. Yeah.

So who, say like someone who is an overachiever, someone who works out a lot, like who specifically is CBD for? Yeah. So another great question. You guys do this for a living. It's our third time. It's her third time. Wow. It's so tough because you can say for everybody, right, all mammals have an endocannabinoid system.

And that's what CBD is doing is activating receptors in the endocannabinoid system. But what it's really doing is putting your body and your nervous system into homeostasis. So what does all that mean? it's regulating you. So people with anxiety, sleep issues, pain, it's so interesting once you start to calm down that fight or flight and that systemic nervous system and get into parasympathetic, how many other things trickle down into your body and start to heal. I know that firsthand because I went through it and had to learn that, oh my God, like stress,

anxiety is only exacerbating all my symptoms. So I think the people we have seen that have benefited the most from it are people that have high levels of anxiety and have tried all the larazepambs and all the tricks, all the breath work, and or trouble sleeping, which is usually tied with anxiety. So those people tend to notice that CBD, which is non-psychoactive will not get you high, calms them down a little bit and doesn't zonk them out to where they're not themselves, but they feel like I can breathe again. And then, as I mentioned, so many other things, when you get in that state, so many other things are impacted on a positive level. Say, I was running hot when

day and was just extra stressed out and I decided to take this. Like what are the what are the things that it's going to help outside of like, you know, calming me down? What like what's it going to do for my system or what's going to do for my mind? Am I going to be able to focus more? Am I going to be just able to. Sounds like it balances you out. Like what are the benefits that you notice right away when you start taking it? Yeah. I mean, think about this way to be clear. Essentially, if you have a ton of anxiety and you're freaking out and you're frazzled and your mind isn't straight. So will it help with focus? Yes. In fact, that's exactly what it helps me with. When I have way too much anxiety or I'm feeling overwhelmed, it brings me down to a level

of calm and a level of homeostasis to where my body can breathe a little bit. And then I feel like I can take on the world because I'm myself, you know, instead of all these crazy racing thoughts. And so it affects a lot of different things. But I hope that answers your question. Yeah, yeah. No, I was just thinking about the person that would start to dive into this and like what in what instances they would start to take it or like, I guess during what, you said,

You can take it during workouts or better workouts. Or if you're what, like could you for meditation, just obviously sleep. Yeah, it's phenomenal before meditation. We do the dropper specifically that you put underneath your tongue. It's actually more bioavailable than going through your stomach because it gets through the blood brain barrier. But putting a little dropper underneath there, doing some meditation,

putting a dropper underneath there, doing a little bit of breath work. Or if you're nervous before a job interview or, you know, whatever you have going on in your life, taking something. but it's our product specifically, since we have zero THC, it's not going to be one of those things where you're going to pass out unless it's the sleep version. CBD in general, it's just going to calm you down.

So you can work out. You can focus on it. The problem with the THC ones, at least for me, is I feel like groggy sometimes after, which I don't like to feel like that. Yeah, I think THC has a lot of benefits.

Dr. Daniel Amen would completely disagree with me. I have a lot of friends that use it instead of painkillers, or to help them sleep. for us, we just, we didn't want to go that route. I'm not someone that smokes and likes THC. I feel groggy too when I'm on it. So we've done a lot of different products that have had different types of cannabinoids,

but not the THC. I don't like anything that makes me feel slow in my mind. This will not make you feel slow. This will make you feel sharp and even the alert capsules that she mentioned, I take every single day that has CBD and a bunch of other neutropics in it. But THC will make you feel kind of slow for a lot of people. It's interesting. There are some people that will take THC then go for a run.

and they like to do it for a workout. That to me is crazy. I want to sit on the couch, order postmates, Chipotle and just veg out. And then I'm using it for period cramps as a woman. Oh, that's genius.

Yeah. We have one called Harmony that's actually for that. I've dealt with excruciating period cramps in the past. And high dosage of CBD helps a lot. So I'll take that as it's starting to, I can tell it's like the day. I'm like,

all right, let's go. And I'll pop a few of those gummies or I'll start them a few days prior. I'm going to try that. I literally never had period cramps until after I had kids. Yeah, so you're a little moody now,

I'm a fucking raging bitch, right of the sleep ones before when that period comes on. Take about eight of them and you're just, you know, maybe we can connect to two days later when you wake up. There you go. Did you guys smoke weed or THC before you guys got into this business? No. No. So this. I mean, I had.

So explain like really from a micro level the difference between THC and CBD so people can really understand. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, it's all about how the different cannabinoids are affecting your endocannabinoids. system, as I mentioned earlier, which all mammals have. So it's interesting, we brought dog treats for you as well. Like, it works really well on dogs, dogs, cats. Thank God I have a dog that needs this. Oh my gosh. Slim. We got you. Oh, my God. I might overdose her. She'll just be sleeping on the couch for eight hours. Yeah. It works so well for dogs. It's really incredible. In fact, we have a dog treat

that has, it's a relief dog treat. So we also put like turmeric and some anti-inflammatory stuff in there. I have a dog. He's still kicking 16 years old. I swear to God, we give him the treats. And he went from not even be able to walk around so he can do one loop around the block. He can do backflips now. Yeah. I got to put this in a locked case. You're going to do our dogs, go overdose on these. I can literally give her the whole back. It is nice when your pets have anxiety. It just shows how quickly their bodies respond to it. But yeah, you were saying CBD versus THC, the plant. But THC is psychoactive. So it's altering your brain chemistry, right? And so there, as I mentioned, there are some benefits that that come with that for people. that like that. Maybe it does help them with anxiety or pain, but there is that also negative side that I've experienced. I think a lot of our customer base have experience with THC to where they don't want to be high. Let's say you're doing a show or an interview or you got to go pick up your kids from school. Like you worry with gummies, like how much is actually in here? When will I get high? Will I get too high? And so with our products, you don't have to worry about it. I think moms do want to be high when they pick up their kids from school. Now I'm like, I used to indulge in a weed gummy here and

there before I got pregnant with towns. And then obviously I stopped doing them for 10 months. It's 10 months, not nine. It's 10 months, not nine. By the way. It's kind of crazy. You think 40 weeks, but then we all say nine months. Yeah, that's like 10 months. I'm going to actually change that. I'm going to get PR on it to change it to 10 months. Just get hoodies. I say 10 months. I'm so over nine months. I hate when people say nine months. So interesting. It's 10 months. But after 10 months, I decided to try another weed gummy. And I woke up the next morning, like with a hangover. And so I stopped doing it. Like I, I don't want to be hung over from a weed gummy. I'd rather be hung over from tequila if I'm going to get a hangover. You know what

I mean? Yeah. That's very common. In fact, our bestseller by far is our sleep gummy in there is melatonin, CBD, meresin. It's a broad spectrum product and CBN, which is CBD's sleepy cousin. So non-psyactive, but another cannabinoid found in organic hemp that helps put you to sleep. So I promise you with these, you're going to fall asleep, get the best sleep of your life, and you won't wake up groggy because there is no THC in there. And it sounds like you guys use all quality ingredients. You're very specific when it comes to what goes in here. Yeah, we really have to be.

I mean, to be honest, as I mentioned before, selfishly, we started the company while I was still fighting in my career and my body is my asset. And so whether it's getting drug tests that are performing at the highest level, we knew we couldn't source from overseas. We had to do organic farmed hemp only. We had to do double third party lab testing. We had to know exactly where it's coming from. Like, you know, we're a family business.

My mom works for us. If I don't feel comfortable giving this to my mom, I'm not going to sell it to people. I've just, I've never, and once again, we didn't start the business for financial reasons. We started it to help people. And we just had no idea it would kind of take off the way it did. And our taste is what we're known for. It's really, really good tasting. The most of them, it's really good.

Most of them taste like pink lemonade flavor. Of course, I like the pink lot of. I was stealing all the kids little gummy snacks and Lauren threw them out of the house because she's like, you can't have them. And so she got rid of them. And I got these and it kind of triggered me a little bit. But again, I started thinking about the gummy snacks. You got way too into those kids snacks.

So this is good for you. You can be like, where's my snacks? I don't know. It's like the bags would be falling out of my pockets. Besides CBD, what are other wellness things that you guys have in your toolbox? You're obviously both very successful. It takes a lot to run your day. What are those things that you go to?

For me, I really start getting a. into breathwork. And I know maybe it sounds cliche, everyone's doing it. But there's the holotropic breathwork, which I do with different people that lead facilitated. But there's a practice that Dr. Andrew Weil put together called 478 breathing. And I was doing that in training camp after sparring before fights. I go back to the dressing room before I put the gloves on, four cameras came in, and I would do four, seven, eight breathing. And what that is is you inhale through the nose for four seconds, you pause for seven seconds and hold that breath. And then you audibly exhale. out the mouth for eight seconds.

It's box breathing. And there's many different ways to do it. But little things like that that I would notice, you know, we'd be wearing woup bands to test it. I'm about to go step out in front of 20,000 people. And it would bring my cortisol down. It would bring my heart rate down. The 478 was such a quick thing.

And I do about three or four rounds. Why 478? Obviously, I've seen box breathing. It's like 4, 4, 4, 4. Yeah. But why the 4, 7, and 8? You know, from a scientific level, I'm not entirely sure. All I know is for me with 478.

it allows me to kind of hold and slow down a little bit more. So it's a different modality in the sense that box breathing for me can be a little bit too fast with the 4-4-4 versus this to where I can hold for seven seconds. And when I exhale for eight, it's not just like a and then you're done. It's a real slow and you're stretching that out for eight seconds. There's something about that that just calms the body down. When I was in labor, and I'm like in fucking labor.

Ten months in. Ten and a half months in basically. Michael whispers in my ear. Box breathing. Listen, I was coaching you did. Get the fuck away from me. He's like,

box breathing. I'll never forget that. I've never told that story. I'll never forget you whispering that in my ear. And it works. And it works. I didn't even try it, Michael. I was not box breathing.

I was like. I did. He said he's like, he's like in, I don't even remember what you said. You know what I'm talking about? You can't even keep a straight face. Well, listen, the first time we had a doula and this woman was there and she was coaching through

and we needed it because I don't, I don't know. Where did you get box breathing? Because the second time, I don't know. You were on Instagram and saw graphic. No, I probably still have on a podcast we did. I probably got to, listen, what I would. Thank God he didn't hear your information. You start pulling out like studies.

I'm going to be honest. Let me tell you what I do on this show. All right. Let me hear. You get a guy like you comes on and tells me something very smart. And then I will take it as my own later in other private conversation. I love it. I will sit there at a dinner.

He has told me a story for 45 minutes. That's my story. I'm going to sit down. I'm going to sit down my family tonight and be like, listen, you idiots. You don't know about my family? Let me tell you about 47.8. Let me tell you about 4-7-8. I'm going to act like I've been doing. You were what?

You're what, six month? Hey, listen, you idiots. I mean, I'm like, towns is traumatized. But, you know, I was just trying to coach you through it. Thanks. That's sweet, though. You were like, hey, I'm going to try something right now. Yeah, let me tell you something.

When you're in that situation as a man, there's not a lot you can really do. Literally sit there and don't speak and don't make one expression. I'm telling every guy what to do. Don't eat, don't breathe, don't talk, don't move. Literally just sit there like a statue. Well, the first time, that's the hot tip.

The first time I brought my Nintendo Switch and she got all mad so I'm like, okay, this time I got a participant. You're like ready to play Halo? Yeah, you're playing Madden. I don't even know that. Remember I had the noise can't sing headphones on you were going through some kind of trauma and I didn't know. Some kind of trauma?

Oh my God. Anyways, we got sidetracked. Don't worry. I'm like a crocodile. I'll wait and save that. And then when he's going through something, I'll be like, box,

pugs, Angie, what did you do in your wellness kit? I feel like you're ready for me to say I do cold showers and cold plunging. Yeah, I think you do. Listen,

it's not my thing. That's okay. You know, it's cold as tits. I've tried, here's my thing with it, which I want to hear your thoughts because I know you're very into

Chinese medicine as well, right, getting your lymphatic system going. I asked Brooke this last night. I said, do you think it's good for women to be doing so much cold when Chinese medicine is all about warming foods, keeping your womb warm to stay fertile? And she was like, maybe, I don't know. I mean, it's such a short period of time, so it's probably fine. But there's mixed thoughts on it. So I've been researching what are the benefits as far as like women in their fertile years doing a lot of cold.

So I don't know. I'm torn. So I've decided until I have kids, I'm not going to mess with it too much. But then after I'm going to do all the cold. Do you know what I mean? I agree with that. I think if you are actively trying to have. kids. Being freezing cold probably isn't. For me, though, with where I am in my life, I need my hormones balance. And I notice when I go in the cold after having a baby, I get out and it automatically balanced. Well, it would make sense to me. But if I were you, I, that you're onto something there. Yeah, I'm going to wait a bit until after kids soon. So I think that I want to stay warm. And the biggest thing you learn with traditional Chinese medicine, TCM, is warm. So I'm doing a lot of

warming foods. I cut out all like smoothies and cold salads. I was doing a lot of cold foods. And Brooke was the one who said to me, you know, your internal system is so cold. You could tell by my tongue. And so I switched to all meats and stews and soups and grounding warm foods and only doing things that keep my body warm. So my body thinks that it's fertile myrtle. That's smart. So I don't know. He wants to weigh in on giving birth and fertility. Go ahead, Michael. I want to hear Michael's thoughts. Let me tell you why. Yeah. We need Michael's expertise here in my womb. What I was going to say, it's like, I think that if it's, I'm not a, I'm not so woo-woo, but I think, like, for men, if you're doing too much sauna, that's not good

for our fertility because you get too hot. You want to be actually cold. You want to keep the guys close, right? They say burn them or right. Yeah, you don't like it. Is that true? Yeah, you don't want to go in a sauna and sit there and then go in the jacuzzi. Listen, I'm doing a lot of sonas right now.

Go to hot shower and get the fuck out of the cold. So you don't need of a vasectomy? You just go do a bunch of infrared sauna? I'll be in there. All right. But I think for the cold, what these people do is my wife included, Lauren, I'm going to call you out. I think a little bit of cold exposure per day is good, but what happens is people stretch it. And all of a sudden, like, I did seven minutes. I did. Do two fucking minutes. Do three minutes. Huberman, you know, you mentioned him. Like, he's an 11 minute per week guy. Per week. That's a week. So like it could be like a three minute session or two minutes or two minutes. I can't. I think that's good. I can't. I think that's good. But what happens is people get addicted to the dopamine hit and the rush. And then what happens is you get used to it. But they sit there and they're like the first two minutes they get the dopamine. And then like it doesn't work. And it's like, next thing you know these guys. And they're. And it's like, next thing you know these guys. And they're. And they're. And it's like, next thing you know these guys.

these assholes on cold bass doing a time lapse of them like showing how strong there it's like that I don't think is so great I think a little shock to the system once in a while is good yeah yeah yeah hypothermia is not what we're going for here moderating I'm going right I like everything's so intense I can't help it I do think it is good for people that are trying I mean you're a boxer you know like just the mental discipline of going and do something tough every day and like getting up and like starting but like for people that need that I think it's good for that but for the people that are like, you know, sleeping in these things.

Angie, what you're doing, I think, is smart. There's something that Brooke eats in the morning. Conji. Yes. It's basically really high fat and really high carb. So it's very calorically dense, but it's just really warm and nurturing. And it immediately supposedly is good for your metabolism. But it does make you hungry for the rest of the day.

So I did it twice and I was like, I can't because then I was starving. For the rest of the day, it's like a porridge. It's basically porridge. I think it's probably good too if you're like breastfeeding or like right after the, you know that book like the first 40 days. I feel like it's warming. That makes sense. Yeah.

Okay. Other wellness things that you do. So I would say right now I'm actually not doing that. But my biggest things right now, I would say are, one, is cycle sinking as a woman. I think that's really been powerful for my hormones. Essentially what this is is you're matching your cycle to your work and your workouts. So when you're in menstruation, when you're on your period, you're not going to go do a crazy hit workout. You're not going to go balls to the walls at the gym.

You're going to be soft and nurturing to your body. You're going to do yoga. That's why you got sick. Pilates. Do you want to talk about my period schedule too? You were in your cycle. You went too hard. All right. Keep going. I was tracking it for you. She wasn't cycle-sanking. So it's pretty, I mean, listen, guys, it's pretty intuitive and as women we should already be doing this. But obviously every 28 days, we lose our freaking minds. You don't want to kill our husbands. So what you do so you don't want to kill people as much is you cycle sink, which is essentially the week leading up to your period. So a few days prior, you start to slow down. So you do slow movements, walks, Pilates, yoga, things that are very slow and nurturing. And then ovulation week, that's when you can go. ham a little bit. You can do hit workouts. I go to Brent. I train harder. So is ovulation when you have the period? Can you, do you know this? No, I actually don't. Wait, I love this.

She doesn't know. No idea. That's so refreshing. No idea. Why do you think we got two kids? What do you mean? I know nothing about this. Wow. If you paid me a billion dollars, I don't even know what you're talking about. Is ovulation mean you have the period? No. So your cycle has four different phases to it. Obvulation is when you technically can get pregnant. The week where you can't. It's very concerning. There's only like three, four days a month where you can't get pregnant. Can you say you guys much? That means you're on your period. Well, this cycle is the whole month, but then there's four parts to it.

But I would say, I would, so it doesn't confuse people, the week that you're bleeding, the bleeding is menstruation. But you're in, yeah, your bleeding is menstruation on your period. I don't know, you need an ad. I'll tell you what, this is a little confusing because it kind of is numbery. Yeah. Okay. I have an app, though.

Good point. Good point. It's giving math. I have one question. If it was like in colors, if it was like, it's an app. So I just look at my app. No, but if it was like, if it was like in pink and like red, my brain would. Well, but I have one question.

And this is for the men out there too. Actually for everybody. Is ovulation before or after the bleeding? Well, it's a circle. Like how close? I'm sorry. It's confusing. If people agree with me, let me know.

This is confusing. No, but hold on. How close. Okay. So say Lauren is bleeding. Okay. I'll see right. Ready.

There's four different phases. my fucking cycle on the fucking podcast. Are you kidding me? Oh, of all the things we've talked on the podcast, the cycle's the one that's going to break it. What are you talking about? Yeah, I keep it very basic. I know there's some women who are like super meticulous about it. I just tune in.

I look at the app and I'm like, oh, I'm on my period. I'm not going to go balls the walls and go do a crazy Barry's boot camp or something like that. I'm not going to stress my adrenal. I'm not going to stress my cortisol. And then if I see him ovulating, I'm like, oh, I feel good. You probably feel when you're ovulating. It's when you have the most energy, the most brain clarity.

you feel fiery, you feel hot, sexy, you feel good. It's like nature's way of giving you energy. That week I'll be like, oh, I'm going to go work out a little harder. But is that the week before, the week after the bleeding? Well, it would be a week and a halfish because you've got period. Then there's a little phase before. Then you've got ovulation and one more. There's four.

I see it as four chunks. There's four different phases. Yeah, it's a lot. So again, I don't do all four. I just do two. So meaning like if she's, okay, let me ask you. This is a simple way. This is a simple way.

The day after the bleeding stops as you, are you all bleeding? Not right away. No, no, no. It takes like seven-ish-dish. Yeah, you got to weigh a little bit. You know what, guys, we didn't figure anything out here. Here, no, what we realize is like sex ed taught us nothing. Like, I just learned this at 32. I'll be 33 next week. I literally just downloaded the app. And I'm like, oh, this is good awareness. Body awareness is a woman. I should, I don't know. Everyone's going to ask with the app. It's called flow. It's great. So I literally go in there and I'm like, oh, I know what workouts I can do

this week based on that. And it's really nice because I've noticed my hormones are better and my body is repairing better and I'm not pushing against my body. I'm working with my body. So that's what's something I've been very into traditional Chinese medicine, all my lymph massages. Mike was just asking about lymph massage out there. He's like, why do you do it? All about the lymph, super into acupuncture right now. I feel like that's been great. CBD and acupuncture for my period cramps. I think those have been like what's really helped them. Those are my things. And then ice balls on my face. I do still put ice on my face. I love your ice balls. I saw you with balls on your face. Victoria just sent it to me. I'm like, I have to

morning. There's balls in my face every morning. I used, yeah, I'm just over here thinking, what have I done with my life? I used to punch people in the face for a living and now I'm talking on a big podcast talking about women's periods. Yeah. Yeah. Very interesting turn. Mike, I asked myself that question every day. Every day. Mike loves ice balls too. He pulls him on my freezer and tries to take him. You do, and you have headaches. Mike will use your ice balls. Yeah. Yeah. You know what? That sounds like a move. CBD and balls together. Oh, like pop a gummy, lay on the couch and just, mm. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

Before you guys go, I have a question for each of you. You both have spoken in front of a lot of people. You mentioned 20,000 people earlier. I know you've spoken in front of huge crowds. What's the hack and the unlock for that? And don't say hold a water bottle. When you say the hack and unlock to do a good job, to calm your nerves, to... The whole thing.

I want to know how you prepare during afterwards. It's not easy to go out and speak like that and be comfortable. telling. I mean, that's a craft. For me, a little bit specific, when I get really nervous of speaking events, I, that's going to sound stupid, but I literally say, like, what's the worst that's going to happen? You're not going to get punched in the face today. So I think I kind of have that reference, but I think obviously the box breathing. I love when someone whispers box breathing in my ear right before I go on stage. But a couple of things. One, the visualization is really important for me. I will go over my speech or what I'm talking about, depending on who I'm talking.

talking to and what's going on over and over and over again. So I play it out and I literally am standing and I'm picturing the crowd, what it looks like, what it smells like, all the senses there. And so I did that with boxing and now I definitely translate that into the speaking. I think that helps me because you trick the brain into thinking that it's already been there like hundreds of times. So that makes me incredibly calm. And then really just being authentic. And Angie can speak to that more than anybody. Like she's the weirdest person I know. And I say that with love. And she's just like so fucking authentic about it. And that's one thing that I've learned from her.

I've always gone out in these things thinking I need to be somebody else wants, right? Like trying to impress them versus Angie. She hops on stage and she crushes it because she's just herself. And if you like it, you like it. If you don't, you don't. You don't. And she has his energy of like, I don't really give a fuck. So I envy her for that. Don't give a fuck energy. Something I do is called the alter ego effect. If you guys have read this book, if you read the alter ego, my friend Todd Herman wrote this book. And essentially it's that all of us are wearing different hats throughout the day. You guys are parents. You guys work. You know, you have your jobs and your careers. And then you're going to go be a friend. I mean, we have all these different roles. So when you're

doing something you're afraid to do, it's almost like some people will claim this is disassociative, but it's in a healthy way. It's that you are going to embody the version of yourself and almost see yourself as a bird's eye view. It's almost like before I get on, I am this woman who doesn't give a fuck. She's just bold and she's vivacious. And it's like the version of me that, that has that in her, and I go when I play that person. It's almost like, I wouldn't say it's acting, but you're putting on that your alter ego. Yeah, your role playing in a sense. And what you do is when you're on there, it's almost like I'm watching the scene.

Instead of me being in it and being nervous and staring at them, I'm seeing the entire thing go down. I'm like, oh, this isn't about me. It's about the message and it's about helping them. So I get out of my head and then I think, what would the girl do who's like super fearless, super brave right now? What would she say? Or how would she act up there? Do you memorize the speech?

before you get up or do you memorize parts? It depends. So a lot of what I've done is extemporaneous speaking, which means I have a rough outline. And then in that, I'm ad-libbing a bit. Yeah. So that's what I'm doing is I'm being present. I get grounded. I breathe a little bit. Get on stage and know that in that I have some wiggle room, but I've rehearsed at least the concepts or the big, the big bullets, similar to almost a podcast. It's like you have the outline, but inside the outline, you're going to be flexible. So that's what I like. I'm getting into stand-up now. So that's going to be a little bit more. Yeah, I'm excited. That's going to be more like every single word, every single giggle, every single thing that

you think they're doing in the moment. It's not. It's all planned out. Every single act out. So that's going to require me to be better at memorization. But now most of my speaking is, it's pretty extemporaneous. Your parents did a beautiful job raising you guys. You're very multifaceted and well-rounded, well-read.

I mean, I'm impressed. Aw. I appreciate that. You know what I was thinking, too? You know what I was thinking, too? You said something there about not making it about yourself. I think even like in a weird way, even in this podcast, I, I, I, try because I still, maybe better now, but my biggest fear used to be public speaking, right?

Wow, really? I was like, that's my thing. I was like, I was nervous of public speaking for whatever reason. I don't know. He was one of those CBD dog treats in college day. But as soon as I realized and it was just like actually just an objective observation is that everyone that's in an audience or even listening to this show, it's really they're not actually, they're having their own personal experience and it's about them.

They're not actually thinking about me. It's about what they take. As soon as you like make it about them and not yourself, then it's really not you don't that nervous because you realize you're not that important, right? Exactly. And they want you to win, right? So especially when you're going to a comedy show, someone you like, or you're watching a speech, you want that person to win. You're not thinking as audiences, we're not like, well, I hope she falls on her face and sucks. Like, we're not thinking that. So you have to remember, they want you to win. So have fun with that, get grounded,

play with them, play with that energy. And then just know that whatever happens, you're not going to die. Like, you're not going to die on a stage. The worst thing that happens is I forgot a line or I got nervous and they didn't even notice. So it's like you, we think about ourselves more than they are. I'm like, oh, do they see my hair? Do they modify makeup? Like, they don't care. They're not going to remember that. Yeah, like, I just had to marry this, like, some of our best friends and it's the first time I ever did it. And I realized, like, it was a breeze for me. Normally I'd be nervous, but it was a breeze because I realized, like, this is about their wedding day, them and their family watching them. Like, I really was a prop. I had not, like,

you know what I mean? Like, it wasn't about me. And as soon as, like, I thought that way, I was like, oh, like, I don't really have anything to do with this. That's the key to our entire relationship. A pro. You're a pro. Right. Well, I'm all. Fine. On that note. Can we do a giveaway and can we do a code? Yeah, absolutely. Free soul for life for everyone listening. You heard it first.

We're going out of business. Can we do code skinny? Yeah, absolutely. Let's do code skinny. We'll have a beautiful landing page and I want your audience to experience CBD and feel like they have a trustworthy source. The one I would do you guys is the raspberry CBD drops. It's the raspberry lemonade because I would do this before I meditate.

and then the one that I tried that I really, really liked is the pink lemonade. So good. That's one I just had too. But the sleep one is like speaking to me. That's our best seller. Because I did. I used to take weed mints and how many of the sleep ones can you take? And how many of these can you take without like putting yourself under?

I take sometimes two, but one will usually get the job done for most people. Everybody's different. It depends on body fat. There's so many different variables with with cannabinoids in general. But one to two of those is a great place to start. And how long do you wait if you want, like say like I have. I just had one. I just had one.

If I wanted to do another, like, how long would you wait before you tested another one? I would wait since 30 to 45 minutes. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Code skinny. Yeah. What's the percentage off?

20. 20. Not 100. Yeah. 20% off. Yeah. If you have a dog that has hyper personality like mine does, I would get the dog. The audience would love 100, but for the business sake, I would say let's do 20.

All right. We'll do, all right. We'll do 20 and then we're happy to do a giveaway. a giveaway of a bunch of my favorites and Angie's favorites? Let's do it. Okay. So we'll do like a box of you guys, or my favorites of Angie's favorites kind of in one.

All you have to do is follow at git.com on Instagram and tell us your favorite takeaway from this episode on my latest post at Lauren Bostic. You guys, where can everyone find you? Pimp yourself out. I am at official Mike Lee on Instagram. It's pretty much the only thing I'm on. I'm at Angie Lee Show or Angie Lee Show on podcast. Yes, podcast.

Tell us about that. Yeah, we started a show called The Best Medicine podcast. And our idea was interviewing a lot of health and wellness people, Brooke being one of them. But we've had breathwork practitioners. We've had professional athletes. A lot of psychedelics. We've talked.

We had, yeah, Aubrey Marcus on tell us all his crazy psychedelic stories. Yeah, it's been really cool to kind of dive into it. It's been a passion project for us. And we're having a lot of fun with it. You guys are great. Thank you so much for coming on. What's the website? And we'll link everything out too.

GetSole.com. GetSole.com. Thank you guys. That was fun. Oh, thank you. Thank you.