The Bossticks - Bobbi Brown On How To Build Your Own Empire, Start Over, & Why It's Never Too Late To Bet On Yourself

Episode Date: September 7, 2026

#1,004: Join us as we sit down with Bobbi Brown – legendary makeup artist, entrepreneur, bestselling author, and one of the most influential forces in modern beauty. Bobbi turned a simple idea and a radically different point of view into Bobbi Brown Cosmetics, building a global beauty empire before selling the company to Estée Lauder. Years later, she walked away from the brand that still carried her name – and eventually decided to start all over again. In this episode, Bobbi takes us inside the entrepreneurial journey behind both Bobbi Brown Cosmetics and Jones Road, sharing what it really takes to turn an idea into something people want. She opens up about starting small, thinking differently, trusting her instincts when others didn't see the vision, selling her first company, navigating life after leaving it, and having the courage to build something new in a completely different chapter of her career. Bobbi also shares why she believes common sense can be one of the most underrated advantages in business, why bigger and faster isn't always better, how she approaches risk and decision-making, and the lessons she's learned about hiring, growth, creativity, health, and knowing when to slow down. This conversation goes far beyond beauty. It's about betting on yourself, staying curious, thinking independently, and refusing to believe you've missed your opportunity. Whether you're building a company, pursuing an idea, changing careers, or simply trying to figure out what's next, Bobbi's story is a reminder that you don't need to have everything figured out to start – and you're never too established to begin again.     For Detailed Show Notes visit TheBossticks.com   To connect with Bobbi Brown click HERE   To connect with Lauryn Bosstick click HERE   To connect with Michael Bosstick click HERE   Read More on The Skinny Confidential HERE   Head to our ShopMy page HERE and LTK page HERE to find all of the products mentioned in each episode.   To Shop Jones Road visit https://go.shopmy.us/p-83608501.    This episode is sponsored by The Skinny Confidential Get your routine back! For a limited time get 25% off at https://theskinnyconfidential.com.    This episode is sponsored by SoFi's Small Business Loans Visit http://Sofi.com/skinny to learn more and see if a SoFi Small Business Loan is right for your business.   This episode is sponsored by Caldera + Lab Go to http://calderalab.com/SKINNY and use code SKINNY for 20% off your first order.   This episode is sponsored by Boll & Branch Get 15% off your first order plus free shipping at http://BollAndBranch.com/skinny with code skinny.   This episode is sponsored by egglife Find egglife wraps chillin' in the fridge at Aldi, Whole Foods, Kroger, Target, Walmart & more. Visit http://egglifefoods.com to find a retailer near you   This episode is sponsored by WACOAL Visit http://WACOAL.com and use code SKINNY at checkout for 10% off your first purchase. Offer valid for new customers only. Limit one code per customer.   This episode is sponsored by Sam Edelman Visit us at http://samedelman.com to explore everything you need for Fall and get 15% off with code SKINNY15. Produced by Dear Media

The one, the only. The Bobby Brown is on the show. Live from Dear Media, East Hampton. We have the opportunity to interview the renowned makeup artist, entrepreneur, bestselling author, beauty industry icon, mom, and wife. She talks about her journey and how she has founded two successful cosmetic brands, Bobby Brown Cosmetics, and most recently, the clean beauty brand Jones Road. This conversation is a playbook for anyone building a company, developing a product, entering a second act or trying to become more confident in their own instincts.

Bobby, welcome to the Bostics. We're with Bobby Brown, for those that aren't watching, not Whitney Houston's Bobby Brown, not the porn star Bobby Brown, but the Bobby Brown. Don't get it right, Michael. The one and only. And my dad's name is James Brown. So, yeah. Well, that's even more complicated.

Your dad just wanted to take all the, all the space, the names. Well, thank you for doing this. We're here in the studio in the Hampton. we're in your neck of the woods. We're total rookies out here. So by the end of this, we're going to be total pros. For those that are unfamiliar with you, I think everybody's familiar with you. You've done so much.

How do you describe yourself at this point of your career? Can I call myself a multi-hyphen? I have no idea. I have no idea. But if someone's, you know, I'm a makeup artist. I'm a makeup artist. That's what I went to school for. That's what I am.

That's what is a center. But I've kind of taken it far and wide. Well, I feel like you're also an entrepreneur. I'm definitely an entrepreneur. I can't spell it, but I'm an entrepreneur. That's okay. I feel like I can't spell it either. But you are an entrepreneur.

I think you are, in my opinion, the biggest entrepreneur when it comes to the glam space. And I'm so not glam. I love that you say that. There's not a glam thing about me. Is that annoy you that everyone is like so heavy with the glam now? No. I think everyone is allowed to be who they are. Yeah.

Because that makes you feel like you. It's just my style. I'm comfortable with my style. So if you were doing my makeup, would you do a little less? No. No, you don't have a lot of makeup on today. I thought you might have said I have a little too much on. No, you don't have a lot of makeup.

I mean, I might try a different formula foundation, but it's good to know a couple different formulas. Some are good for lighting. Some are good for going out. So, you know. Would you still do someone's makeup at this point? I do makeup all the time. I, you know, we do our shoots every two months. We have a studio in, in our hometown of Montclair,

where our offices. And I do all, I do the makeup, I do the styling. I pick the photos. I pick the models. Multi-hyphen it. Yeah. I mean, it just makes sense. Yeah. It's just simple. Yeah. You have your hands in a ton of different things. At what point when you were a little, did you know that you wanted to do makeup and be creative like that? I never, I was always creative. so I never knew I wanted to be. And I just assumed growing up, I mean, I was born in 57. You could do the math. I'm 69.

And I know people are like, I am. But we didn't, no one ever thought that. It was just you'll be a teacher. You'll go to law school. You'll be a, you know, a mother. Those were the options. And I went to college, three different colleges. Wow.

And after my first college told my mom, I wanted to drop out. And she said, you can't. But mom, it's so. boring. She said, what do you want to do with your life? Mom, I have no idea. She says, forget what you want to do if today was your birthday. You could do anything you want to do. What would you want to do? I said, I wanted to go to Marshall Fields and play with makeup. She goes, that's it. Be a makeup artist. I said, I don't want to go to beauty school. She said, I'm sure there's a college and a friend of my dad's told me about Emerson and Boston. And they accepted me. Literally,

I flew up. They accepted me. And I told them what I wanted to do. They said, okay. So you knew from a young age what you wanted to do. There was an internal, like, fire towards makeup. I mean, I was, how old are you in your college? 17, 18. You had direction. 18. I mean, I just, I always loved makeup.

Not, I used to watch my mom put her makeup on. I was fascinated. She was glamorous and gorgeous, and she transformed herself. And I was never a glamorous, gorgeous person. And I tried to be. And I would look at my mom. in awe and it took me many years to realize I don't have to be like her to be the best of me. That's cool. Yeah. That's really cool when you came to that realization. Yeah, it took a while.

At what point did you sort of feel that you were building a brand as you were doing the makeup? Well, I didn't even know what a brand was. To me, a brand was Kleenex. You know, I didn't know that at all. I didn't really think about building a brand. I was, you know, a freelance makeup artist. You know, I'd worked for Vogue. I've had covers. I had, you know, I was in the big high fashion doing all that fun stuff. And then I met the man of my dreams, got engaged, got married, moved out of the city to the suburbs.

How could you work for Vogue back then and be in the suburbs? But I did. I love the contrast. Yeah. But that's, I'm a big contrast person. And then I got this amazing job offer to go with Bruce Weber and Ralph Lauren to Bali for three weeks at the top rate and I that's cool turned it down what I turned it down because I didn't want to be away for three weeks I get that and I was afraid of flying all the way someplace that far and my husband

who didn't he was in law school um said you don't have to go we'll figure it out and then I did a shoot one day with a magazine and it was makeup shopping with Bobby Brown I took him downtown I went into a Kyle's, Kiel's pharmacy, and there was a chemist, and he had some lipstick he made. I'm like, you make lipstick? He said, yeah, I said, I've always wanted to make a lipstick. And he said, tell me about it. And he did. And then mailing back and forth, we made a lipstick. And I thought, wow, I could sell this. And then I realized not everyone would like that color. There's got to be a multitude of colors. And somehow we launched out of my kitchen. selling these lipstick. He sent them to me. He made them. And I sold them and I didn't know what branding was. I didn't know what marketing was. I didn't know what PR was. How did you learn how to scale? I didn't know what scaling was. You know, I was smart enough once we sold what we had and we each owned, he said, we'll sell them for $15. You'd take $750. I'll take $750. I said, that's great. It's, you know, Whole Foods, money.

for groceries, that sounds great. And then people started buying them. Now I know it's called scaling. I never, I didn't know what a series, ABC, is there even a D? I don't even know. I think they start to add just. Yeah, something. I don't know what that is. I sold them and then you take the profit and you, but I didn't even need to do anything because he just kept giving them to me. It sounds like a lot of what you've built started with an intuition. It's just feels intuitive. It's just everything to me is simple and everything to me is common sense. Huh. Everything.

I think that's a smart way to approach it because a lot of people feel like everything has to be so complicated. When people start using big words on a Zoom, I feel like sometimes people overcomplicate what actually is simple. Or they'll try to explain their idea and it takes 10 minutes to the idea and you're following a map to try to figure out what the hell they're saying. I think if you can't say it in 30 seconds or less, it's probably not a great idea. And I used to be insecure about that, not being able to, A, focus on what they're saying, understand what they're saying. And I remember one time I was at a Neiman Marcus meeting and we're sitting around this table and the president of Neiman Marcus, this guy named Bert Tanski is talking about the business and this. And I'm totally zoned out. And he saw me zoned out.

And he said, Bobby, you know what this means right here? He picked out the paper. Tell your husband you can have that top of the line washer dryer because you're doing really great. I said, thanks, Bert. And, you know. That's digestible. Yeah. That makes it easier.

It is. And I had a CFO at Bobby Brown Cosmetics. It would come in my office and say, okay, let me show you what just happened. We just launched this new thing. And this is what it did well, but it cannibalized all this other stuff. And now we're $4 million down. And he said, I don't know what we're going to do. And I said, okay, tell me more.

He said, one of your bronzers at the time did a million dollars a year. I said, I'll do four new bronzers. So I did four new bronzers. We made up the year. I had one called Yogi Bear. I had one called Elvis Duran. I had Sandstone for Eric Sandstone. Is that his last name?

Eric from, oh, my God. What is it? An actor's name, he was Cam on that show. Come on, I can't believe I can't remember it. Eric Banna? No. No. Older.

And he played. a gay couple. Come on, that really good show. Oh, Modern Family? Thank you. Modern family. Yeah. He wanted a bronzer, a special bronzer. So I made a one. So it seems like you would just take the analytics and the information that they had and you would adjust and pivot as needed. Yes. And, you know, you'd sit in these corporate meetings and you can't imagine the fancy suits and the words that come out of their mouth and basically when they're done talking. I'm like, oh, what you're saying, is we need more customers. Okay, let's figure out how we're going to get more customers. Like, that's how simple it is. So at this point, you obviously, you've built two incredible

brands in the space, and you see a lot and you see a lot of probably young people bringing you ideas and pitching your ideas. What do you think the biggest mistakes new entrepreneurs are making when they're trying to build a bit, not just beauty business, but any business? Yeah. Well, they forget the most important thing, which is to breathe. I calm down. I breathe. I breathe. I breathe. You know, I always say to new founders, it's like having a baby.

Like it takes you nine months to make this baby, and then the baby comes out and you don't know who the hell this person is. You've got to figure it out, and you've got to go slow and you've got to teach and put the right things together so the baby doesn't fall. So it takes time. Anything, you know, it's like everyone wants to scale, sell, scale, sell. Let's talk about that first thing. because it's a perfect, we were going to do it later, but it's a segue.

You obviously built and scaled Bobby Brown to a massive degree, and then you sold it. Yes, well, we sold it after four and a half years. Yep, okay. Which is crazy. Wow. It's very fast. Four and a half years. We sold it four and a half years.

And I had a buyout, you know, because they gave me a 25 year non-compete and, you know, you do this much, then you get this. I stayed 22 years. 22 years. At Estee Lauder. At Estee Lauder is a corporate employee. And looking back now outside of like the financial game, but just a personal experience, are you happy with that decision or do you wish you didn't? I absolutely am happy with that decision. I had the most incredible years. I learned so much. I traveled the world, did things, sat at Leonard's table at all these events. I never would have, you know, I sometimes Stephen and I, my husband would go to these events and I'd be like, we're just these like kids living. in the Jersey suburbs, you know, with our young kids and I'd be all dressed up and sitting

with Helen Gurley Brown from Cosmo and, you know, Elizabeth Hurley or Elton John, and it'd be like pinching ourselves. What do all of these high performers that you're around have in common? I mean, I'm around a lot of high performers, and I think that there's successful people, and there's not. There's people that have turned to drugs and alcohol because they can't handle it. There's other really successful people that are just, you know, you put your head down. You just, nothing's easy. It's a, it's a grindstone. And, and I think most of the people that I, that are successful are people that just, they have narrow blinders on that they don't necessarily run around worrying about what everyone else is doing, but what's right for you? I think that's

great advice. Well, you know, it's, I always struggle with this. Like, people ask me about my, like, are competitors. Yeah. I feel dumb sometimes. I'm like, I don't know what they're doing. Right. I'm like aware of,

like there's other people in media and other people that produce great things. Of course, other people that do shows. Yeah. But I really, like,

I don't know what the hell anyone were doing because I'm not, I'm like, just in my own world. You've always been like that though since you're little. And I also, he's like that.

He's like, he's like a, what's that dog? It's like a bloodhound dog. Is that what they're called? Yeah, that heads down. But I just, I think people,

you know, you like get paralysis by just by constantly worrying about what other people are doing or how far someone is or not. I mean, like it's there's always somebody further. There's always somebody. Always. There's always someone taller, richer, better looking. I mean, but I also think one of the things that people in business don't always understand is health and wellness is probably as important as being smart is. Because if you don't take care of yourself and feel yourself the right way and have a balance, like it's crazy having three kids. all this stuff, but I couldn't imagine doing my life any differently. I have to be like an athlete. Yeah. You do have to get all the health and wellness in to perform at a top level. What are some health and wellness things that you do? You kind of mentioned in there that you're

really into nutrition. I am. Well, I got, I went back to school and got my degree as a health coach through IIN. I am not, you know, I don't have any clients. But I, but I've just learned that it's not, like I was, I was like the diet queen growing up. My mom. mother and I would be on diets. We'd be on the pineapple diet and the, you know, cheese dot, whatever was popular at the time. And nothing worked. I mean, I cleansed. I fast. I mean, I did everything. Being in the fashion industry, everything everyone else did, they're like, oh, this is amazing. I went to weird doctors. I bought swivel sticks. I did everything. And honestly, nothing worked until one day I realized this is stupid.

Like, I'm not going, if I eat those bread and bagels at a shoot, I'm going to want to take a nap. So I'm not going to eat that bread and bagel because it's not going to make me feel good. And extreme for me doesn't work. Like, I was feeling, like, and I believe in paying attention to your every day. Like I was feeling like anxious and jittery,

and I said, okay, I'm going to quit coffee. I said, I don't want to quit coffee. But I cut it in half, and it made a huge difference. So again, it's going back to that intuition. It seems like you really are intuitive. Right. Like that's not working. What should I do now?

Yeah. I don't know if I'm intuitive. I just pay attention and make common sense decisions. Like, two drinks don't work for me. I don't want to stop drinking. I know everyone is not drinking now because whatever. So I have one drink. One drink can get you buzzed.

I need at least two. No, you learn how to be buzzed. And I know if I will have two drinks, like on a Saturday, I'm not going to feel my best, my 9 a.m. trainer on Sunday, which I have. So I sometimes stop myself from doing it. Our producer last night out there had one too many last night. We ran into each other in the gym the other day. We've talked about it on this show. I think you have to do the health stuff first.

one to parent, two, to run a business. I think so many entrepreneurs, they go the other way. They like grind it out and burn them. Remember no sleep was popular. Like, I have to sleep. I have to work out. I have to eat well. If not, I'm just going to be useless.

But for the longest time, I think culture was pushing the opposite. It was like this, you don't take care of yourself, burn yourself down. It's just, it's common sense. You got to move your body. And some days, it just means walking. Yeah. Like my entire book was done while I was walking. What?

You have to tell me that. I had a writer, you know, I guess I call him a ghost writer. and he's a guy. He was not, you know, a straight guy who wrote about rock and roll and he just was amazing. And he'd asked me all these questions and I'd walk for an hour to an hour and 15 minutes. And then he would transcribe it and send it to me. I'd print it out. I would take, I don't know how to type. I would take a pen and I'd correct things. And then I would take a screenshot and send it back to them. Oh my gosh, that is so good. You make it work. You're resourceful. You figure it out. You figure it out. So I've heard a lot of people say, I want to write a book, but I can't write. There's a way to

figure it out. Yeah. When someone says, I want to start a business, I wait for another sentence. They don't know what business it is. Right. Right. I want to write a book. I've heard this from so many people. Then guess what? You could press that little microphone and just talk in it. Yep. I think that's good advice for, especially if anyone's listening and you want to do something, you just do it. Going back to what we were talking about also earlier, I think people overthink, they think like from A to Z. You just got to think A to B. Like what's the thing? You got to start building momentum. You got to do something. I always want, I said I wanted to paint. Like I have no hobbies besides. I love to organize and clean. That's kind of my hobby. I'm obsessively like visual. But I wanted to do something in tennis, pickle, don't interest me, golf, whatever everyone else plays, not interest me. So I'm like, I want to paint. Well, I don't know how to paint. But I went to much. I bought some canvases. I bought 10 different neon colors and I just splattered canvases. And I have one painting. It took me a couple months. My granddaughter really helped throw stuff on it. One of my sons helped. And I don't want to do anything with these paintings, but I actually enjoyed it. Would you go and get a teacher or a coach to do that? Would you take lessons? No, because I don't really want to get good. I just want to do it. And I want, it's my self-expression. You know, it's and I love neon colors.

Even with makeup? No. No. No, I want to see the painting. No, no, no. Yeah, I'll send you a screenshot of it. It's really cute. What is it like to have your name be sold and it's your name?

Is that weird? Well, when I first left the brand that had my name, you know, it was very emotional. Yeah. You could imagine. But I knew I didn't own my name anymore because I understood that I signed a way. my rights for for Bobby Brown for beauty. That made total sense to me. And like forever, like not just for the 25 years, forever. But when I left, it was really hard. And now I see it on packaging. You know, I don't follow their Instagram or anything, but people send me stuff. Like,

and why do you not follow? Because I don't care. And it's just important for me to move on. It's to her point earlier, though, she's focused. on her own paper, on her own thing. And I think that if you were distracted by that, it would take your focus off what you're doing now. Yeah. And you know what? It's not a positive experience. Seeing things that, you know, you might not. Look, I think if you see something and you're like, I wouldn't do that. I mean, it's not, I don't really care. I think it'd be worse if they turned it into the brand. I really wanted it to be without me. That would have been worse. So you're saying because you're made, that would have been tortured.

Somebody else in control of it, you see something that you may maybe disagree with. And it's like, that's painful. But on the other side is if they were just doing your exact vision, that would be worse. Right. But it's not painful in a weird way. I don't want to sound like this, but it's comical sometimes. It gives you a laugh. It does.

I'm like, okay. And it's really not my brand anymore. And so I know that. And, you know, I don't want them not to do well. but it's, you know. Somebody go watch the visual. Yeah. Yeah.

No, it's honestly, it's writing the book was really cathartic. It was the first time I talked about getting fired. Because if you ask them, they didn't fire me. You know, they gave me a new opportunity. And, you know, I'm, I don't even need to talk about it that because success is a bitch. And the second company kind of, you know, it's like when you find a better boyfriend or husband, you kind of get over the first jerk. That's kind of an hour. I don't know what's going to happen. She's already at the top of the mountain. It's only downhill for her after this one.

Oh, that's a great way to be. When you say that you got fired and they don't think you got fired, did they think they gave you another opportunity? Yeah, they wanted me to be the face of the brand, but out of the day to day. And I was, and, you know, it was the same money or more money. And I was like, hell no. Yeah. So and, you know, the biggest giggle I could giggle about now is when they called my husband and said, we think it's a great opportunity. We want the people to be able to call on Bobby and ask her advice, but she can't tell them if she doesn't like something. I'm like, that's so typical. It's like a cheerleader. Yeah, that's typical. Is there stuff in the book besides that that people would be maybe shocked to learn about you? Were there things that you talked about? You mentioned it being. cathartic. Are there other things that you hit that you think you... There's family stuff, you know, like everyone's got a story. Like, you know, my parents were not named to Ozzie and Harriet. You even know Ozzie and Harriet? I do. Okay, just checking. No one knows any of the people that I seem to know from those days. But, you know, my parents were 20 and

21 when I got married and there was a lot of stuff. Yeah. So, you know, there's some mental health issues. There's all sorts of stuff. I think becoming a parent yourself, you start to have a lot more empathy for your parents. My mom had me at 22. That was a little older. And when you're a kid, you're like, what's going on here? But then you become one yourself. You're like, oh my God. Like, how the hell would they have known anything? They're 22. Where'd you grow up? We grew up in San Diego. You both did? Yeah. We got to elementary school. Yeah. And then LA, now Texas. Okay. But Texas is like part of like, I think we're similar. Like, I like the contrast. I was really relating to what you said about in New Jersey and then you would be at this

crazy situation. That's how we are. I think it's. I think it's. I think it's. I think it's It's important to have a grounded spot that you go back to that's not in the, I don't want to call it pretentious. That's not the right one. Yeah, no, fabulous. It's the fabulous life, but then you realize at some point the life I have with my scrunchy and my clogs, which weren't popular back then, is really what's fabulous. Yeah. We want our children to kind of grow up the way outside, running around, say, like in a normal. Normal.

Yeah. I like the contrast of dressing up. I either want to be so dressed up or I want to, I told you off air, I look like sloth for the boonies. There's no in between for me. It's just one or the other. Yeah, I don't, I like to be the least dressed person in any party. I like that for you. I think that's fun.

For me, yes. You, celebrities, you've done so many celebrities makeup. Yeah. What is something that's juicy that you saw behind the scenes? Because I'm sure you've seen a lot. There's so much. I mean, you know, one of my early jobs, I, you know, got hired. to make up Mike Tyson.

Mike Tyson? Mike Tyson? Oh, no. It was a cover with Mike Tyson and Joan Jett. That's cool. Don't even ask. So, you know, Mike basically said to me, you ain't touching me with that stuff. So I stood there.

I stood there and he was schvitzing. And so finally I went over. I said, excuse me, here's a mirror. Can I blot you? And he says, yeah, yeah. So then I got to touch him up a little bit. I mean, Faye Dunaway, you can't even imagine. I mean.

you know, she, she gorgeous woman. She was Mommy Dearest. Our mutual friend made us watch Mommy Dearest. That's so funny. Mark made you watch it last night because she does the ice bowl. Yeah. He was getting so mad at me that I would keep getting up to go out of it. He was really mad at you actually.

I think, yeah, something's going on there where like I felt like I was looking into like part of his soul by watching that movie. Well, he's a little older than you, not as old as me. And, you know, a lot of that stuff is being lost. Like we had Paul Smith, someone from Paul Smith coming. in the office to bring me something, and no one never heard of them. We had Diane Van Furstenberg, like, talk about her book. No one knew who she was. Okay, you got to call me. I've read every old Hollywood biography. I love all this stuff. Everything you're saying, I'm like, I love the old nostalgic,

old Hollywood, all of it. We named our daughter Zaza because I became obsessed with Jaja Gabor, and I couldn't pronounce her name. So I thought, I was like, we have to name our daughter's I love it all. We're that generation, we're the last generation, we're, We, you know, we didn't get smartphones until we got out of college. You know, I remember pagers and pay phones and landlines. That's how we used to, when we were kids. So, like, right on the cusp of, like, we go with cable television and all of those old shows. You remember they pay, like, Nick at Night and all that stuff.

And now I think with the new, like, you don't see that stuff. Right. I mean, my oldest is 30. He just turned 36. So he had a phone, I think, in sixth grade. You know, my third had a phone in fifth grade. Yeah. What is other celebrities that you've done any fun experiences?

Is there anything that they have that's like a weird request? Is there something that's like a funny accolade or a story? Well, I mean, I also did a lot of fashion shows. And I have walked out of many, many a makeup test because people were wacky. So, I mean, I'm used to being around wacky people. One of them, they were so mean. The stylists were so mean. I just walked out in the middle of the test and I said, I'm not doing your show.

And that is not me. But she was so nasty to, you know, everyone. on my team. And I don't know. Do you guys know a designer's name three as four? No. They just wouldn't wake up to do the test. They were sleeping. And I just remember sitting there was two o'clock, three o'clock. I remember calling my agent. I'm like, I'm out of here. Then they had a fight and then they were two as one. I don't even know. You have longevity with makeup. You have longevity with building brand. What comes and goes? Do these people that don't have a good attitude? Do their reputation finally catch up with them? A hundred percent. I mean,

You know, 100%. Yeah. And there's a, but understand there's a reason people aren't nice and kind. Right. There's something uncovered there. So whatever it is, it's some dysfunction. It's something. Well, it's funny because whenever I get my makeup done, the glam, the hair and makeup, people talk. And if you're not nice and you don't treat people with respect, it's everywhere. Of course. And it always comes back, you know. It's funny. Growing up my mother taught. me, you've got to be nice to everyone because you never know who you're going to meet on the way up and way down. Okay, I got a better one. You never know what people are going through. Like, you have to be nice to everyone because you never know what people are going through. And it's

really true. That to me is truer than what they could do for you. Caitlin Jenner came on here and told this story, I said the script back when Caitlin was Bruce and would check into this hotel. And the doorman that would came to you. And the doorman that would carry the bags, like the bellman, was Bob Iger. Ah, that's great. That's a good one. That's a good one. And now he just bought the Lakers plus Disney all this.

But he tells the story and he was always nice to Bob Wells remembered it. But then Bob literally became one of the biggest media executives and most powerful people in the world. You do remember that. I remember the first time I worked with Bruce Weber. I was a young makeup artist. I was a nervous wreck. I think I probably tried on 15 pair of jeans, just which like it really mattered. You know, whatever.

And I knocked on the door and this guy in a bandana opened it. It was Bruce. And I said, hi, and Bobby. And he says, I've waited so long to work with you. I'm so glad you're here. And honestly, that just like, and I, and people, you know, makeup bars would come around me and I'd be the same thing. Like that just taught me what a difference. That little act of kindness does. It seems like the most successful people are the ones that have that humility. A hundred percent. That's a cool story. 100%. Yeah. Jones Road. Yeah. Jones Road. What was the strategic edge of this?

How did you make it different than what you've done? Because it does stand out. You know, I'm not really strategic. I think I am in my head. I know what I'm doing, but I'm not a, you know, I know what my strategy is. I just don't want to put it on a paper. I just know what it is. The difference, what I wanted to create with Jones Road, because when I left Bobby Brown,

thought, I'm done, you know, and I did a couple other things. We opened a hotel, had a vitamin company, a line of eyeglasses, did all this stuff. And then I just missed the industry, and I realized how much had changed since I left Bobby. There was, you know, clean brands out there. There were, you know, selling direct to consumer. And I kind of missed it, but I bought everything because I wanted to do makeup again. So I started doing. makeup. Not that anyone hired me, but I, you know, I would get some gigs. And I got hired to do a master class, the first ever, you know, master class. Like the company masterclass. Yeah, from the company master class. And that was, you know, a huge deal. I got hired to lead a master class in

India, the first ever beauty. It was kind of their version of BeautyCon. Why they hired me, because my natural makeup, you would think in India, but they did. And so I bought, I didn't want to use, I never used Bobby Brown since the day I left. I just emotionally don't want to use it. And I bought everyone's makeup. And I'm like, this sucks. Like, I couldn't really get it. Why?

Because it just wasn't, like, it didn't blend the right way. It didn't do what needed to be done. Like, the mascara wasn't black enough. The liners were, you know, too gray. Like, I just, you know, a lot of, especially in the beginning, the clean beauty brands were not made by makeup. artist, they were just people that wanted brands. So there wasn't like a, you know, and some things were better than others, but overall I was like, I could do this better or maybe I could do this better.

And I just met a chemist, or I found a chemist, I didn't meet a chemist, and I hired someone to help me. And we started playing around with formulas. And then the pandemic happened, but I had these little jars. And I started giving these little pots of miracles. to my friends, literally throwing them from the deck of my house because you wouldn't go near anyone in those days. And they would call me and say, oh my God, this is amazing. And they'd come, want more. And then I said, well, I think I'm onto something. And so I built a mini team with two people. And I said, well, maybe I'll just sell this on Etsy and not tell anyone it's me because I had a non-compete. But then my husband kept saying, just wait. Just wait.

I even trademark the name, no name or unknown, because why not? I could launch it without my name. But again, he said, wait. And so I realized my aesthetic had changed so much. I loved this more fresh, natural look and not retouched and not fake. And I wanted to see if I could make makeup that was efficacious with clean formulas. and we did. Isn't it also, I heard you mention somewhere else,

that your makeup is also designed to, for older women as well. A lot of makeup, this is my own opinion. I think a lot of makeup on women 40 plus, sometimes it looks like too heavy. And I've heard you talk about how your formulas are really nice on different ages of skin.

I don't see age. So I have, this is, Jones Road will never say it's a brand for women over 40. I don't see age. I don't like heavy foundations or bad, I'm just going to call them bad formulas on 25-year-olds. Like, why do they need that? I really like everyone, whether you're 20 or 85 years old, when you're done with your makeup and foundation, your skin looks amazing, but it doesn't look you have makeup on.

That's the Jones Road look. And I see a difference between, you know, our formulas and my, you know, I drink my own Kool-Aid. I mean, you know, you have to. You have to. But I do see a difference in the finish of Jones Road compared to others. And that's even for people with oily skin. Like our powders and our things for oilier skin, when you're done, you don't look like you have makeup on. I'm so excited to especially try the miracle bomb because I've heard so much about it.

but I'm also excited to try the foundation. Yeah. Because I don't feel like I have a foundation or a coverage where I'm like, and sorry, Michael, like, plug your ears. I'm not understanding anything. Keep it up. But I don't feel like I have one where I'm like, this is the one. Right.

You know what I mean? Yeah. And I think, to your point, I think you said this off air, but like the makeup I'm wearing on film needs to be right if I'm taking pictures or if I'm just, like, relaxing. Yeah. Do you know that I don't know how to do my own makeup? Do you know that?

You didn't do your makeup today? No, I don't know how to do my own makeup. I could teach you to do your own makeup. It's the easiest thing in the world. I did my makeup in the car driving over. Maybe the next time that I'm here. It would be a good skill set for you. No, I think it'd be fun to like go somewhere and film you teaching me to do my makeup.

Maybe in Austin next time I'm in Austin. This is why I don't do my own makeup. Because it takes time and I can do my calls. I could do my calls. Let me ask you this because I don't know anything about this, You could do your calls. You could have a thing in and you can, I do it in the car. I go like this. And I'm like on the phone and I just do my makeup. But she's a five minutes for. Why do you need to do it? No, I'm not an artist. I'm just someone that knows how to do things simple.

Okay. I might, I feel like next time I'm here will have to film a reel of you teaching me to do my makeup because I truly don't know how to do my makeup. Why does it need to take like an hour and a half? I don't know. Maybe it doesn't. Do you know how to blow, dry your hair? Nope. I don't either. That I don't know. So I just feel like both those things. things take time. So I would rather get a blowout and my makeup done while I'm taking an hour of calls. So it's efficient for me. I mean, if you, like, I sometimes do have someone do my makeup. I have, you know, one girl that my head makeup artist, but I'm always changing it. Okay, well, maybe you can teach, it's kind of iconic to have Bobby Brown teach you how to do your makeup in five minutes. I would like to know that. Marketing business question. From when you started Bobby Brown, all those years

go to Jones Road now, what's different from a marketing perspective? Obviously, there's e-com channels and direct-to-consumer and digitals. But like, how do you think about it then compared to now? Well, it's funny because there's so many similarities. I mean, what is marketing? Marketing is what you want to tell people out there about your product? You know, what is PR? Like, you know, like my son when he was running the brand, didn't think PR was that important. But when, you know, Claude and ChatGBTBT came out. It's like, where do you think they're getting the information from all the PR? Oh, that's interesting.

Ooh, that's a good point. So, you know, I... Part one. Yeah. I mean, I could literally go on Claude and ask anything and he just spits me out. Literally, he knows exactly. I think it's Claudette. Mine is Claudette, but she spits me out.

So... Claude's your AI of choice. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I do my personal things and put my, like, you know, blood work into chat. and Claude, you know, since Cody really built a Jones Road, you know, bubble in Claude, I use that. And, you know, I mean, sometimes I'm bored. Well, I'm always bored.

I'm just constantly bored. It's just my nature. So I go in and say, you know, what's the difference between Bobby Brown, the artist, and the company? What's the difference between Joan Road? And I just, I find it so fascinating. I think you can also train it too. So, like, if it's saying something that's not accurate, I feel like you could say back to it. actually Bobby Brown, the person is da-da-da-da-da-da-da and train it to kind of manipulate it?

Well, I got in trouble once. I got yelled at by Claude. Have you ever heard that? Because I was with a friend of mine who's a journalist and he told me someone on TV was gay. And I said, I don't think so. He said, no, she's definitely a lesbian. So I asked Claude. And Claude said, we don't spread rumors of things we don't know. I'm like, I was just yelled at from Claude. That's funny. In that case, you maybe have to ask Grock. No, so I asked a friend. I asked a lesbian friend and she said she's definitely not a lesbian. You have to play against each other. Who's Grock? Grock's the X, the X one. It's a little bit more. It's a little wilder.

Okay. No, now I want the, I want, I'm such a visual person. I want to learn how to do Google images. I mean, not Google images, like AI images. Because I think they're getting better. They're getting much better. Okay, but so back to the market. So what I took you off on a tangent. So what's different is it is so much. easier to reach people now. Yeah. I mean, you know, we started with Jones Road just on Instagram, right? And then, you know, I used to, if I wanted to reach people, it had to be in a magazine back then. I'd have to go into one of the stores and talk to, you know, a room of 40 people or maybe sit there for three hours and touch 100 people. And now you just, you have everything.

You have your consumer, you know, insights. You have anything you want. I think it's so much easier now building a brand. That's why when if a maybe a younger person comes to me and is complaining about how hard it is, I always tell like it's so much easier from a distribution. I mean, even like I always use this show as an example. If Lauren and I wanted to do this 20 years ago, there would have been 18 different gatekeepers that would have said yes or no to put us on some radio channel somewhere maybe. But you just did it yourself. We just did it have our living room. Yeah. And it's right. And you can do those kind of things. If you can get an Instagram account or a TikTok, build a brand.

And largely all those gatekeepers and decision makers are irrelevant now. At some point they come back in. But that's why I always say there's so much more opportunity if you look at it like that. But yeah, there's more competition as well. Right. There is more competition, but so what? Keeper products is good. This episode is brought to by SoFi's small business loans.

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podcast and be in your things. She made a festival. Here we are. I know what you have a brand. You're not trying. You're not trying to make a brand. You have a brand. I have a brand.

What do you want to do with that brand? So the brand was a blog for 12 years. And off that, we sort of content marketed to launch elevated beauty rituals. That's the brand. Right. So everything we touch should be elevated, whether it's an ice roller or a mouth tape. It's daily habits that a girl loves and we try to make them more beautiful. So that's what I'm working on.

But. So does that mean products? So are you working on products? Products. How many products do you have now? I have about, probably about eight. And they're just daily consumables. So facial towels, like I said,

mouth tape, ice roller, the brow peptide, which helps grow brows. Caffeinated sunscreen. Caffeinated sunscreen. Niche products that I like that I've made prettier. What advice do you have for someone like me who's literally in it? Just keep making things and keep, you know, and only launch.

Like, I like having hoppers. What does that mean? Means you've got things you really love, but you're, you don't need to launch it all at once. And maybe there's a special something. Huh. You know, so. Like a bag or something. But, like, you could try things, right?

Like, okay, maybe you only made, you know, 75 or 100 of this new toe separator. I don't know. Beautiful toes, whatever it is. You're like, all right, you know, this is how you use your audience. Like, try to sell out in 15 minutes. you know, do what you need to do to tell people about it and it'll be available Tuesday at 12 o'clock, you know, Supreme did it with drops. So instead of ordering 10,000 units of something, you would just order little bits and pieces and just test it out.

This is why I think what you're saying, like there's such a pressure for young entrepreneurs to scale and scale and have a million skews. And it happens naturally. And also then if you're scaling too much and too fast, all of a sudden, you've got inventory sitting there and you know and and and we've made trust me we're a pretty well oiled machine but we have we had way too many mascara our number one selling product we had way too many and we didn't have you know we ran out of you know blush sticks and our new lip recharge and sold you know we were nervous didn't order enough and sold through so what's what do you do in each scenario if you ordered too many what do you do and then if you don't have enough what do you do well when you order too many

you make sure that the you know it's a clean makeup brand so there's only two year shelf life so we make sure that we don't order more that we kind of you know sell through and we just did a and it was very successful we did a you know you buy 85 or 100 dollars whatever it was and instead of getting just something you want to get rid of you get the number one selling mascara people weren't crazy we literally you know people hit their threshold so they can get a free full size, amazing product. So you do like a gift with purchase and it's the free mascara? Yeah.

Because to your point, like two years, you have to move it because it'll expire. No, but most brands or most people give like something they want to get rid of. And so this was... Something that everyone loved. This is something that everyone loves. And most people don't love it. You know in three months you need a new one. So they're like, yeah.

That's smart. And then what do you do if you, if it's the opposite? If you under-ordered. You just say, oops, and you try quickly to, you know, get your shit back together. And, you know, we did that a lot in the beginning. So now we have storage of just packaging, right? So, you know, we have very simple packaging. But sometimes, you know, the lab will take however long to get back up to speed.

But the packaging is what really takes a long time to get. So it's sitting there ready to. It's sitting there. And it doesn't go bad. So I'm sure we've got warehouses full of. you know, Miracle Balm packaging. And are we doing pre-orders or no? You know, when we get it together, but not really. I mean, yeah. That's great advice. How do you personally manage stress and setbacks if you do get stress? I always get stress. Oh my God, you guys should go for coffee.

My goodness. I guess you are going for coffee. I mean, I always get stress. I have some stress reducers. I call people. My husband, you know, either causes me more stress or takes away stress, depending on the subject. It's normal. But certain things. And there's other people I call, you know, when something is stressing me. In the past, I've had a life coach, which I loved. I haven't had one in like four or five years. And I would love to find somebody again because it was, life coaches are the best. Have you ever had one? Never had a life coach. But I, you know, we get to talk to a lot of people. I'm your life coach.

No, but even like this talking to you. Yeah, it's helpful. It's helpful. Yeah, this is helpful. Stuff like this is helpful. But you can call me anytime. Like now. I'm going to get your number now.

No, but what I love about being where I'm at in my life, there's people like, you know, I just called Cat Cole from AG1. I said, I need to talk to you. You know, so there's people that will literally hop on the phone and vice versa. You know, so. Other people that are in it. Yeah. Other people that are in it or, yeah.

She's lovely energy. She's great. Yeah. And are there, are you a big reader? Are you a podcast? What kind of content do you consume? I am way too curious in life. And so I am very big on Instagram.

You know, I love Pinterest. I mean, like my husband and I, we have a bunch of houses and we don't have decorators. We do it all ourselves. So I usually do it on Pinterest and then I buy it. And my husband's a developer. So he'll have, if it's lighting fixtures, I'll put it in. You decorate all your homes yourself?

Yes. Oh yeah, we go, oh, no, we go to the riverhead outlets. Is that good? You got to be good at looking, but if you need a side table, a thing, there's five or six different places you can, you know, Stephen wants to put it in the car and get it done now. He doesn't want to order a rug that's going to be, you know, six or eight, 12 weeks. That's stupid expensive that my dogs are going to ruin anyways. And what's your dynamic with your husband?

Like, who's type A? Like, what's the, what's the energy? I'm the lunatic and he's calm. He is a very big threshold. I don't. But I'm also, it depends what it is. I've learned early on the secret of marriage, at least my marriage,

is really knowing what pisses him off and not doing it. Oh, I don't like that advice. It's not worth it. I liked all your advice besides. No, it's not worth it. And it's the same thing. Same thing. It's just, like, somethings just don't matter.

I, some things don't. Did you hear that? We took separate cars here today. No, here's why we took separate cars. Well, you work together, first of all. Because, and I'm going to do this all the time, just so everyone knows. I don't like the way he drives when he feels rushed.

It makes, he projects his rushed energy onto me. Oh, I hate the way. See, I won't drive on highways or at night. And so I'm always saying to my husband, Stephen, slow down. He's like, you want to drive? I'm like, no, I don't want to drive. That's why you should just get a driver. I like a driver.

I like to sit there. I like to drink my coffee. I want to post my Instagram story. I don't want you to drive like Corella Deville. It's not. I like to have low cortisol before I'm interviewing. It's the age old meme. It's a little bit sexist, but that one where the woman's like,

stop, but the car's like 40 car links ahead. It's like, thank God my wife's here because I would have crashed to that car 40. It's so much easier to just fucking slow down when you're with her. I'm not a fast truck, too fast driver, but I don't like to be late for people. You will then leave five minutes earlier. That's what me. That's the thing. I like to leave.

I was on time. I like to leave when I like to leave. I don't want him. I don't like when he drags me around. Like, I'm not a rag doll. He wants to drag me around all the time. I told her. I said, I can't be late for Bobby.

I hate starting relationship saying, sorry. That's my, it's my worst thing. But just so you know, that was the only thing I ever worry about. Like, I drove from Sag Harbor and it ways told me a weird way. And all of a sudden I'm like in the town in Sag and I'm like, I'm going to be late. Like, I don't like being late. You weren't late? I wasn't.

No, no. No. I wasn't. And I was so glad when you got to Main Street, I turned right and not left. Do you ever try to turn left on the street? No. In the middle of the summer? You can't. Oh. Oh, no. It's like so scary. Why? Because there's so much traffic and people are not exact. We're not in Texas. I'm not trying to do anything because I don't like to drive. Yeah. I like to be driven and not by you. No offense. That was the strangest thing when we moved to Texas. I would walk through the neighborhood and everyone would be saying hello and smiling and waving. And I'm like, what the hell's wrong with you, buddy? I just realized people are really nice. Then you got really into. Then you got really into. do it. You started doing the coffee cup. I'm saying whatever. Yeah, it's all. Braves need to fit. I don't want a bra that I am unbuttoning

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It really has to make sense. It has to earn its place. And it has to work. And I have to actually use it. So let me introduce you and put you on to your September reset. From September 4th to the 7th, everything at the Skinny Confidential is 25% off site wide. We are doing a sale.

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Before you go, you have to tell us about the miracle bomb. I have heard about this bomb everywhere. What do we do with it? Why is it a miracle? Why are people so obsessed with this? I see it everywhere. Well, the miracle bomb, and so many brands have tried to, you know, I don't want to say knock us off, but knock us off. And I've tried every single one of them.

So, nope, miracle bomb, there is no, there is no cheaper version. Sorry, guys. And it's not expensive. it's like, I don't know if it's 38 or 42 and it lasts for two years. Wow. So what it is, it's a skincare and makeup in one. So it's a skincare because it's, you know, beautiful oils, but it's tinted. So there's three different ways it's tinted.

One of them are no shimmer and they're like a correct corrector to your skin. So I use like a rosy one on my cheeks and then I will use a darker one that's like sun-kissed If I want to look tan, then there's colors that are like flush that's like blush colors if I just want blush. And then there's highlighter colors. So you can kind of layer them together and they're great on the neck. You could put it on your lips. You put it on your eyes, put on your body. And it helps with fly away. I put oil on before I do my makeup. So you just combined the two. Yeah. Right. And there's times like where I'm like rushing to the gym in the morning and I just look down and I'm like, I look like shit.

I just take the miracle bomb and go like this and I can walk in the gym. I look better to me and I feel better. When you put the miracle bomb because you got me a couple different ones, should I like, I like to look a little bronze and I like a lot of highlighter. And then I like a little bit of a blush. Yeah. What's the most, the best place to put the blush? Blush, you put on the apple of the cheeks.

Is that going to lift my face up? Yes. Apple of the cheek, go up into the hair line. So I can use all three different ones. You could use all three different ones. But if you're putting oil on your face first, you're going to be too oily. Oh. Yeah.

People say I'm too oily all the time. Yeah. I look like a wet rat sometimes. Then, I mean, moisture is good. I am a huge component of hydration and moisture. But not oily. I think you've got to watch the oil with the lights, right? Yes.

That's what's going on. I do like, though, I will say. I do like glass skin. Yeah. I like on me, I think it's, it's. You don't want wet glass skin. I know. I suppose it's a little wet.

And where should it be shiny? Like, it shouldn't be shiny on your upper lip. Yeah, you might need to teach me your makeup. Well, no, because then it looks like you're sweating. Okay. Like, can it be shiny on the forehead? Why? Okay.

I mean, why? I don't know. I feel like it's like... This is great. In our studio in Texas, these poor lighting guys, she's like beating the hell out of them because she keeps blaming their lighting. I'm like, no, it is partly the lighting. No, it's partly because you got that shiny look.

It's like... Well, you know, if you think you're concerned, concerned about the way you look now. I am in front of a camera every single day of my life. And I am, I've already told you my age. And I don't do anything. I don't inject anything in my face. Ever. Ever. I'm very anti it for me, for me. Very anti it. I think that's cool. It's just me. And I'm like, I like my lines to look good. And, you know, the neck bothers me. I do lasers. I do, I will try any laser, anything that won't alter my face. You know, and I, I mean, I did Botox twice in my life and I had awful experience. You know what the most anti-aging thing I think everyone can do.

This is my experience. It's moisturizer. Yes, but if you want to get a procedure, is microneedling. My girl that does it, she is this amazing Korean girl in Texas, Jamie. She says if you do it once a month for six months on the same day every month, your collagen increases by 600 percent. Wow. And it's not that invasive. And you do a sheet mask after her? She down the you. Okay. And I do my chest. I do my neck. Have I done it? Is that the thing I've done? Yeah, you do it all the time. I've done it. Okay. I've done it a long time, but it's good. I do my hands. It just feels like a little like it's, but I see all these people spending all this money on lasers and all these procedures. I've tried everything. It feels like your skin.

It's the most. Like your skin looks younger after. Yeah. That's what it does. I did it. Well, no offense. You are younger. Yeah. Yeah. But you do sometimes act like you're like. I don't like is I got to shave my whole face to do it. It's the whole thing. I don't like that either. for my eyes. I'm like, why don't you do it when I go on vacation? Why, what's wrong with him?

He looks so cute without a... I like a little subble. A little subtle. Take it easy, shiny. Let's get you. Okay. I would go by the miracle bomb. And to me,

just learning about your products off air, I would definitely check out the foundation, you guys. And that lip pencil is very interesting to me. The lip pencil has done it extraordinarily well. And wait to see. It's, not out till September, but the new full coverage concealer that when you put it on, it not only

conceals, you'll say, wait a minute, where to go? You feel like you have nothing on. I like that. Yeah. I like that. Well, next time I'm in the Hamptons, hopefully Bobby Brown can teach me how to do my makeup in five minutes because I need all the help that I can get when it comes to doing my own makeup. Thank you for coming on the show. Thank you. So great to me. And the new books coming out, the paperback. Right. Thank you very much. Yeah. The hard cover's been out a year. It's a really good read. And it'll give anyone like the kick in the butt they need that if I could do all these things, you could do it too. And the paperback is coming out the 8th of September.

And tell me exactly what it's called because you have 10 books. Yeah, this one is called Still Bobby. Still Bobby. Okay. So check it out, paperback coming out. Bobby Brown, the Bobby Brown. Ah, it's my prerogative. My thing is going to annoy you now, though, because you said that she said that he could call you

when he stressed and he stressed a lot. You're going to call me. You're going to hear me just panicking. Thank you for doing this. Thank you. My pleasure.