The Bossticks - Carter Reum & Courtney Reum - How To Get Ahead In Life, Make Good Decisions, & Stay Ahead Of The Curve

Episode Date: April 17, 2024

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The only role in our house is everyone has to be a good human being. Right? Like at the end of the day, the rest of all this stuff is all nice to have, but you gotta be a good human being. I'm actually not a rocket scientist, but I'm really competitive. And I thought to myself, well, I want to achieve. Like, if I'm going to go to college, I might as well try to be first, right? It was just something ingrained in me, even though we never had pressure. And so to me, too many parents obsessed about this and that.

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him and her show. Today, we have a dynamic duo. Courtney and Carter Ream, two legends. Many of you may recognize Courtney who's been on this podcast before. I highly suggest you go listen to that episode if you have not.

For those of you who are not familiar with Courtney and Carter. They are brothers, their co-founders and entrepreneurs. They co-founded and started one of the most successful venture funds. I think in history, it's called M13. I think they've invested in 12 or 13 unicorns, things like Warby Parker, Lyft, Coinbase, just some incredible businesses. These two have so much to share when it comes to investing, building businesses, starting companies, working together in family dynamics. This is Carter's first appearance on the show. Many of you may also recognize Carter's name if you're not already familiar with him as he is married to Paris Hilton, and you may have seen him on the show Paris in love where they documented

their whole love journey and their marriage. This episode covers a ton of ground, like I said, growing up as brothers, common denominators of intelligent people, all the things investing, what a venture fund is and how to work with venture funds, figuring out what you want to be known for, how they're raising their children, how they remain one step ahead. And we also talk about being business with your family and why Courtney bought a soccer team recently, which is a whole story in itself. And there's a ton of wisdom with two people that have done extremely well as entrepreneurs. With that, Courtney and Carter, welcome to the skinny confidential, him and her show. This is the skinny confidential, him and her.

We talked about your childhood on the other episode, but how did you guys get along when you were little? What was the dynamic? Was one brother always the entrepreneur and the other one a troublemaker? What was the energy? I don't know. I think when we were kids, believe it or not, like you were like entrepreneur was never thrown around. Like no one even, I mean, maybe if you had a lemonade stand, but no one even called it being an entrepreneur. So I didn't think of it that way. But I do think in some ways, you know, your parents always sacrificed so much for you. I think my parents, or our parents, sorry, rather, kind of did more jobs where they had, my dad had, you know, three jobs over 50 years, essentially. Like, no one does that anymore, right?

So they didn't take as many risks so we could as something, something I genuinely believe. Yeah, I was lucky, you know, I had an older brother. He was smart. He was the star athlete. He kind of paved the way. So he set a high bar, but it was also pretty cool because when I was in eighth grade, he would take me to high school parties or in summer of eighth grade. I played on the varsity soccer team. So, you know, people always ask me what it's like working with your brother. And I say, or any family, right, husband, wife, or things like that. But I think Courtney and I played so many sports growing up, we would always try to pass to the other and let that person score or vice versa. So we always grew up as teammates, right? And so I think that's why we work well together on the

business. But going back to childhood, because I do want to say, I actually, I'm the old this and we have a younger sister. Two and a half years apart. And then our sister, Halley, is almost exactly two and a week of two and a half years younger than my brother. I don't think I was a bad kid by any means. You can chime in card. But I was very mischievous. So I definitely made the mistake for, for, on behalf of Carter. So I think I did a lot of stuff where he's like, hmm, might want to avoid that or you did that. So I'm going to learn from it. So I hope I did give you. You can be honest. Who's mom and dad's favorite child? Probably you, but that's because I made the mistake. Were you guys always this smart?

You're both smart. That's how I would, I think that's the first word I would use to describe both of you. It pains me to give card too many compliments, but I feel like it's going to happen over the course of this podcast. But I think, you know, they're smart. And then there's kind of like when people say, oh, you don't have to be a rocket scientist. I think Carter's probably on the rocket scientist vein. I'm like in the like Chicago public school smart. You know, I had to convince myself, there's worse things than being average at Goldman Sachs.

Like, I'm smart enough. It's like the Malcolm Gladwell. I'm over the Mendoza line. Probably not as far as I'd like to be. So what's the, so okay, when you, why do you describe him as rocket smart? Yeah, what does that mean? Like, like, in the distinction, the distinction between you being just smart, like, what is that next level? Like, why do you describe that quality to him?

I think sometimes you don't know until you see it. Like, I think I thought I was really smart growing up and we went to like a private school in elementary school because it was small and we were, I think, smart in some of the other kids and didn't have to try it hard. And then you, you know, go to a good school or work at certain places. and then you're like, oh, wow, that's the next level. And regardless of what you think of the Elon Musk of the world, who's personality-wise, I think we can argue that's like a next,

that's a quantum jump in how people think and how they process. And I've witnessed it firsthand like at places like Goldman Sachs or Harvard or Columbia where people just literally process things at another level. And I'm just like, I'm tapped out. And I think Carter's pretty close to that. Is it hard when you're around people that aren't as smart as you guys? Don't lie. What's the conversation behind the scenes?

You both just looked at each other. That's why, you know, sometimes like on WhatsApp, you can fast forward the message because you just, like, need to ingest it faster. Yeah. So now there's technology that allows you to speed people up. You process really quick, huh? Yeah, I think, like, I always tell people I treat my brain like a weaker version of the Facebook algorithm, right? All of us through life, we take in all these data points. And the smartest people tend to just form patterns faster.

They see two steps ahead and things like that. And so, you know, I always tell people like when you see a data point, it's just a data point, but your brain processes very quickly. And then all of a sudden it's a pattern. And then it's the data point. So, you know, you can always tell the people that can just process faster. I think we both process really fast. I'm probably more like a 64 gig bit iPhone. It's sometimes it just craps out and he kind of has the 128 gig. So sometimes he keeps going where I'm like I'm out. But I think not to go down the AI rabbit hole hopefully,

but like depending on where you think the world and jobs and everything's going, you know, what's left? There's the people who are rocket level, rocket science level smart. And then there's things like interpersonal relations, right? And other things that are not going to be measured by a Navidia chip or GPUs, and I'm definitely focusing on the latter at this point. What are you guys not good at? That's a great question.

I've never been asked that, and I've never honestly even thought about it. Always truth and just, but... What are you not good at? Well, the thing that I try to figure out is, like, traditionally I've not had a dimmer switch, I say, right? I'm either kind of all in. It's kind of black or white or all in. Like, I don't know how to kind of go at a slower pace. Like if I want something or I'm driven to something, I just go and I go fast and I go hard.

And so, yeah, I've always thought it could be. I feel like that's a good thing, though, not a thing. Well, yeah, it's like an interview question. You always say a good thing when they ask you about something you need to improve. You can be a better listener. For those that are, like, for those that maybe miss Courtney's first episode, you should definitely go check it out. We covered a ton of ground. There's a great episode.

But for those that are unfamiliar with you guys, I'm going to give. kind of a bullet point, but I want you to clarify this. You two founded M13, which is, I think, arguably one of the most successful venture funds ever, right? And you guys were very early on, named some of the early businesses that were the greatest successes. Early on, let's see, we've been the first investor in about 12 different unicorns, so billion-dollar companies, things like Rothies and ring, things like FabFit fun, all kinds of great businesses. Coinbase. Coinbase, that's probably a huge one. Yeah, so anyways. And, and, and, and, and, and, you guys founded that business together and scaled it together. I think there's many people listening

that are fascinated with that world. And then I think also talking about the dynamic of working with family, what do you think initially in the early days created such momentum and success for that venture? And I wonder if this is applicable to kind of anything. Yeah, to me it comes down to like, you know, everybody wants to overcomplicate life. But at the end of the day, I think it's pretty simple, right? You have to have a strong vision, right? Whether it's a consumer, business or what we do, then you have to be able to recruit really talented people, right? And at the time, you have to recruit those, right? You have no reason to be able to get that type of talent, but you have to inspire as a leader,

right? And then to me, it all comes down to execution, right? So at M13, we had this very differentiated model about how we were going to build a venture firm with people who had operational backgrounds that were operators instead of investors. And today at the firm, you know, we have 46 people and we have 12 investors, three times as many people that wake up and go to bed every day to help our portfolio companies. So we had a different vision. Then we had to go persuade really talented people that they should come and share that vision.

We had an inspire. And then it just comes down to execution in my mind. How does one even know how to start a venture fund? Like, where do you even start? Is this something that you literally just Googled or did you have a mentor? Like, how do you start one? I think it started with we had taken some proceeds of other things that we had started because we founded a couple of companies that have thanked.

done pretty well. And so we redeploy that money into different startups and some of those started to really do well. So I don't think, at least I can say, I didn't necessarily have the vision or the desire to ever have a venture capital firm, but eventually if you have enough good investments and they, you know, have returns, then you bring some interesting people and then create synergies by bringing this person to this company. It's a two-way value ad. They say, hey, great, you should think about doing a fund. But we always talk about it, right? The definition of entrepreneurship, regardless of what you do, is being asked every single day to do something you'd never done before, right? So I remember when we

started VIV, got to remember the internet was barely around. And so, you know, Courtney was living in Australia and he would Google America's best distilleries. And then you just call and ask questions, right? And so much about life is having that growth mindset, right, and just wanting to learn and wanting to figure it out, kind of like McGiver back in the old days. And so whether it's an alcohol brand, what you guys do, a venture firm, it's just that ability to keep asking questions and keep getting data points. And then you get a little smarter, right? I still remember, you know, the first time someone came to do diligence at our office, they asked questions. And I said, you know what, I don't actually know what you're talking about. So I'm going to have to get back to you next week. And he

laughs about that five years later because clearly I know now today what he was talking about back then, but I had no idea. But I was humble enough to know, we'll go figure that out. That was a new question. Never gone that one before. So much of it is actually in the world we live in now. There's no shortage of of data and information, what most people struggle with myself included sometimes, and I consider myself hyper-organized, is how to distill it down, how to cut through the clutter, how to simplify. And so, so much of it, there's things that won't be able to be outsourced in a world like, I think one of our superpowers is actually not knowing the answer, but knowing who or what to go to to get the answer. And I think that's a really lost skill.

When people are, like, there are a lot of people that listen to this show are entrepreneurs or thinking about creating an endeavor, and the conversation of capital comes up all the time and how to pitch investors. And sometimes it gets asked to me, and I don't classify myself as, I mean, I've made investments, but I'm not a professional investor. When founders or entrepreneurs come to you guys to pitch,

what do you look for and what do you find to be the most effective pitches? If you were going to dumb it down and say, like, this is the stuff that just goes right over our head, we start disregarding it. I need some tips. And this is the stuff that gets, our attention because I think that the people just don't know where it's overwhelming for a like do I wear a low-cut shirt like or is that is that against me should I wear a turtleneck

do I wear a low-cut shirt yeah what someone needs to wear a low-cut shirt but I'll leave that to you too yeah like give us the real details I think I gave some thoughts on the last episode people should listen I want to hear what Carter's thoughts are because I don't think we necessarily see it the same yeah I think it's like to me it's inspiring right especially when you're talking about starting a business right in our book shortcut your startup that we wrote years ago we talk about, you actually have better odds to be an NBA basketball player than the founder of a billion dollar company. That's crazy. Think about how hard it is to be an NBA basketball player. And those are pretty low based on high demographics, other things, so lower. And so, right,

all the odds are stacked against you, right? Like the math and venture capital is about two to three percent of the companies end up being unicorns, right? Billion dollar plus companies. So it's like winning the powerball. And so to me, it's those entrepreneurs that can inspire because, again, you have to inspire investors like us to give you money. And then you're like, oh, shoot, I got the money. Okay. Now I got to go inspire people to join the team. And along the way, then you've got to go sell your product somewhere,

whether that's in a store or into the enterprise. So now you've got to inspire them, that first customer, right? So much of the journey is can you inspire people to believe in this vision, right? When you think about all these great businesses, Airbnb, Uber, Lyft, all this stuff. I mean, if someone had walked up to you 14 years ago, Brian Chesky, and said, oh, it's going to be really cool. You can rent out your couch. Well, Andrew, airbed and breakfast. Right. Exactly. But again, he had a vision. It wasn't, right? The idea always pivots and evolves, but he kept inspiring. He got capital. He got people. And he just kept that

forward momentum. When you guys are so much behind the scenes. And then all of a sudden, you guys have to pivot and be in front of the scenes. How is that? I think for me, it's not about front or behind. it's kind of like, what do you want to be known for, right? In a town like L.A. or whoever else lives in New York, Miami. Like, I want enough notoriety in the places in the arenas I want it, among the people I want it, and nothing else. So for someone who either doesn't know me or assume something or is in some area that doesn't interest me, so I think it's just about most of the decisions I make now, whether it's to come on a podcast or write another book or do this interview, it usually comes down to is that adding something to some new pool of things,

where I would like to have some notoriety, or is this just like gratuitous or am I doing it for the wrong reasons? What's it been like for you? I think I'm still behind the scenes. You know, it does, it's a bit of a bummer these days because now when I go to the farmer's market, my wife tells me I have to wear a baseball cap because what happens is my wife will be wearing a wig and sunglasses a hat and people will be staring at her. And then we look and then the person's looking down at their phone, and they're definitely Googling Paris Hilton's husband. And then they're going like this back and forth to me. I'm like, oh, shit. We've been outed.

We got to keep moving. You're blowing the cover now. I'm blowing the cover. But, you know, I think it's one of the reasons why my wife and I work so well, which is she's in front of the scenes and she knows that I like to be behind the scenes. Up until we got married, I think I'd only walked one red carpet in my life with her. And it was mostly just because that's her world and I have my world. And we come together as great teammates a lot of times.

But I think she liked that. Like, again, I didn't want to be famous. I just wanted to do my job, be a good human being. But I think my brother, if I made deconstruct, since this is also, I don't put, he's a middle child. So I think, I don't think my brother wants to be famous, or at least any more famous than he is. But I think he enjoys some of the things that come with it in a good way while trying to shun kind of the negative things that everyone here has experienced, you know, that can kind of come with fame. So I commend him in that I don't think he's doing anything to overreach. But I also think, you know, we've always been the time.

of people. It's fun to meet new people. It's fun to get in different rooms. It's fun to have things where you're like, wow, I could. We're from a town of 900 people on a dirt road. Like, life for the most part is something I could have never even imagined 30, 40 years ago. So I have to sometimes pinch myself and remember that. You've really analyzed this. No, but it makes a ton of sense. I mean, there are plenty of good things that come with a platform, but I think those things have to be measured against a lot of the stuff that could also come with it, right? Like, we, we get that. But I think for you specifically, because of the platform your wife has, which is an international platform of massive scale, it's just a, it's a different

beast. And like that, it just, it's just, it's, it's called it as it is. It just is, right? Like, Lauren and I don't go to the store wearing wigs. You know what I mean? I might start now. Yeah, exactly. But, you know, like, we don't have to deal with that. And so I imagine it's a little bit of a mind fuck sometimes when you're just, you know, normal coming from the small town dirt road to like why are we in costume here? Yeah. And I also think I witness it and I've witnessed it since the beginning of Carter and Paris's relationship is that for sure Paris has done a lot for my brother and with my brother and completed him in a lot of ways. But this guy does so much mostly behind the scenes,

as you said, in terms of helping her organize her empire and do different things. And I know she appreciates it, but the work he does is amazing. That's what makes him good teammates. What struck me about you, and this is as someone that's watched Paris since she became famous, I want to say I'm in high school, is that you, and I could be totally wrong about this, were the first man to come into her life that was quietly confident on his own. It seemed like there's a confidence about you that the other people she dated didn't have. But I want to talk about anyone else because I don't think there was anyone else before me. Oh, sorry.

Was there? No. No, no, no, no. But yeah, I think, like, Paris and I are just incredibly lucky. I think one of the things we talk about all the time is that we make each other the best version of each other, basically. And, you know, we'll forever be a lockdown love story because she kissed me on Thanksgiving night four plus years ago. And then, you know, for the first few months, the world was open, and we would go to a tech conference or an entertainment thing. But that's not real life, right? and the world shut down three months after we started dating. And then it's just I got to fall in love with a girl named Paris, right?

You know her as Paris Hilton. I just know her as the girl I fell in love with named Paris. And for those nine months, right, we were just like any other two people in our pajamas, getting to hang out every day. And I didn't get to have to share her with the world, which in the case of Paris is so awesome and so unique. And that's why we're married with two kids. And that's why we're great teammates because we had such a strong foundation because of such an unfortunate time in the world.

you know I know how you guys met that you were introduced by your mothers, right? Because I read her book. Oh, nice. It's a great book, right? I loved her book. I loved her book. I tell everyone, I'm like, you've got to read her book. It shows like a whole different side of her, but she writes about, she almost like ended with the happy fairy tale of you guys meeting from your moms. Is your mom going to set you up with anyone? What, like, what do you, what do you, you have to tell your mom? Exactly.

Exactly. I would love my mom too. Her roll decks is running up probably a little thin these days for a few reasons. But I would love her to. She, I'll never forget the first time my mom in Paris were talking this fateful Thanksgiving night. And they talked for a while. My mom turns to Paris and says, well, I really enjoyed talking to you more. If you're ever in Chicago, look me up. I'm in the phone book. That's dead sensors. And you don't have to know my mom, but that's a true story. That is so cute. My mom's other favorite story she told Paris that night was my mom went to Columbia Business School. and she said in her very cute way, well, I didn't know who all the boys were, but all the boys knew who I was.

Because she was the one of only 20 females that graduated at the time from Columbia. So the parents are real smart. We got like a smart lineage going. I think we have a, I mean, not to say it too seriously, but I think we have a family that like when they came over from different places, mostly Europe, really prioritized education. Like they didn't come with a lot of money, but they came over with a lot of Hutzpah for education. Are you guys like big readers, big researchers? Like what does that look like for both of you? You know, kind of ebbs and flows, I wish I read more books.

But I would say in some shape or form, I'd probably read like an hour a day. But it ends up being, you know, kind of like bite-sized pieces like all of us to just get the quick download. And then I try to always have a stack of like medium and long form articles that are things I'm interested in. So it's not a book, but it could be a five to 20 page article. So that's kind of my information diet. Are you a reader? I used to be. Honestly, I gave up driving like five or six years ago because I only take Lyft because it's like a productivity hack, right?

First thing they tell you for productivity. And now things like Lyft and Uber are much more expensive. But that was the days of VC subsidies, as we joke, right? Everything like I could drive 30 minutes for $20. And right, I could sit in the back and on a laptop. But what I've found that I miss since I don't drive and we're constantly all behind our emails, whether that's on a laptop or on a phone, is I don't create that space to read a book before bedtime or while driving, listen to a podcast other than yours. And when my brother's on it.

Yeah, you better be listening all the time. I imagine in the line of work that, like I'm always curious about this. For what you guys do, part of what I think you need to do is kind of look for what's coming or what the next thing is. And so I imagine at times you get pitched things are like, hey, great, awesome. but it's the old thing now, right? It can't be valued the same way as the one that was pre- So when you're going through that process, what are the kind of patterns or things you're looking for

to find that next unicorn or next trend or next pattern? That's what I was kind of talking about earlier. I think it's you don't get it in that moment, but you start to pick up those patterns, right? You like, we probably look at 3,000 decks a year and we invest in eight companies, right? And so are we going through each of those decks? I think that's good.

I want to stand that that is relevant. I think that is very relevant for this audience to hear. I think people get so discouraged. There's only so much capital you guys can deploy as a fund. That's an interesting stat. Yeah, that is an interesting step. That somehow get to you, right? Yeah, that actually get to us.

I think it's way more if you actually, like, decks that you don't even look at it. Just based on the subject. I mean, it's probably triple that, but ones that we actually take some kind of glance at. These have to get past whatever filters and radars that you guys have in place. Then they have to get to you. then there's 3,008 of those get through. That's a pretty incredible stat. That's why it's easier to be an NBA basketball player than a unicorn funder.

Okay, so you get to those eight. What are the patterns or things that you guys are looking for for those eight that actually get funded? I still go, I mean, we wrote this in our book five years ago, I still think it holds true. It's still always the right idea in the right context at the right time because like all three of those really hard to come by and you're in the running for one of the eight. one of the three for sure you're not even a non-starter sometimes two of the three depending on where the third's up but i think it's got to be all those and i think it's also like we always there's a famous sports stat called wins above replacement right so lebron james accounts for the most wins above his replacement like i think the founders like it's hard to be a founder right it is

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at chess is it's all patterns, right? So, of course, the computer can compute the patterns faster. But right now, everyone's like, how cool is it? I can make a birthday invite on, you know, using generative AI or my superhuman now pre-drafts my emails every morning. So that's cool and that's amazing. Those are really productivity gains. I think where all of us, where it gets really exciting is what's the second and what's the third ripple of these technologies, right? If you think about fundamental shifts in technology like the iPhone, it led to the creator economy, right? Like, it was because everyone had a camera that was high-res in their pocket and could get it up to the cloud and things like that. And so right now, we're in a world.

in such early innings of AI that people are focused on the features of it, which is really cool. But wait until we start to see the new business models that we can't even imagine today, right, that are possible, right? Airbnb, Uber, these things coincide with the advent of the iPhone because all of a sudden all of us had a supercomputer in our pocket and that fundamentally shift. And now it's happening even faster. For a while, there's things where there's like horizontal and verticals. So like, I think we used to do a lot more consumer. and now we're really more tech focus,

and some of that has a consumer overlay, some doesn't. But we've moved to a lot of software and services because five years ago when we started, seven years ago, I think consumer went from like a vertical, like I invest in consumer companies to like a horizontal, like it was a horizontal overlay on everything, like the consumerization of everything, many different categories.

And I think that still happen. But I think now, right now AI is like, oh, I'm investing in AI like a vertical. Slowly it's going to proliferate and be a horizontal overlay on every single thing in every part of our lives. and that'll just kind of happen asymmetrically. You just had two babies. Yes.

Yes, personal stuff. Let's get into that, Lauren. No, I want to actually... I want to make sure we talk about my wife, too. We're going to talk about your wife. Perfect. The best teammate ever. You are really cute.

Well, I have the world's greatest wife. If you don't fucking say that when I'm not around... Shut your mouth over. No, he does. You are really cute. This always happens. I do something really nice for Paris, and I see other wives grabbing their husband

and go, why can't you be more like Carter? Yeah, you are. are really sweet with her, though. Let's start with him and then we can focus on me and my needs, but he is cute with her. I actually was going to ask you a business question about your kids. We're slowly transitioning, but go ahead, yes. For both of you, because you're an uncle. What do you guys hope to instill in your kids now that you have kids for the future?

Paris and I talk about it all the time. To me, it's very simple. One is the only rule in our house is everyone has to be a good human being. Right? Like at the end of the day, the rest of all this stuff is all nice to have, but you've got to be a good human being. And then if I think about why my brother and I have been successful is because we played so many sports growing up. And that gave us a sense of achievement, right? Like I graduated from Columbia with a 4.0. I'm actually not a rocket scientist, but I'm really competitive. And I thought to myself, well, I want to achieve. Like, if I'm going to go to college, I might as well try to be first, right?

it was just something ingrained in me, even though we never had pressure. And so to me, it's simple. You just want to be a good human being and have that sense of accomplishment. And then whatever happens from there, because I think too many parents obsessed about this and that. And is he listening to Beethoven at two? Is he playing Beethoven at three? And that just seems like a lot. I read the best quote the other day.

I'm sorry, I have to pull it up. It's the best quote. I sent it to Michael, but Michael, you didn't get it. What do you mean? I would have brought it. Maybe it was only a subpar quote. How good is this quote? If a child is poor in math and good at tennis, most parents would hire a math tutor.

I would hire instead a tennis coach. Yeah. That's how I want to parent. Well, that's, you know, we also, in the U.S., it's a very Western thing to be like, you got A's in all these subjects, but a C and math. We're going to talk about math, not going, well, it sure seems like you like English. Maybe your next great novelist. We should, you know, strengths find or whatever you want to call.

We don't push those enough. It's so funny because this came up the other day running a company. I was like, it would be like me running this business and getting the best video creator on the team, be like, you know, I really need you to dive into our P&L. Right. Totally. Like, that's kind of how, I had such a rough time in school because I always felt like the stuff that I was accelerating at or wanted to do more of.

It was like there was such a focus on the stuff that I had no interest on. Yeah. And to your point, like, he wasn't getting to 4.0. Let me tell you. Look where he is now, Lauren. Oh, wow. He was outside the classroom mooting the principal, flipping off the teacher. Yeah, because you wouldn't get off my ass about stuff I didn't want to do.

Yeah. Yeah. I don't know that you guys would have all gotten a lot. long in school. I think about this all the time and just like the world that we really live in compared to like some of these artificial things and constraints that we create, which is that would be insane in that example or if I was going to the creative department and saying, I need you to run our finance department and vice. Or like get good at fine. I don't need them to be in finance at all, right? I need them to be fully on the other side. But to your point, it's weird how we do that

here. One thing that I don't think is talked about enough with Paris Hilton is how savvy she is with her business. Like, you, what she's built is not easy. You know who came on this show and was so complimentary towards her and talked about this? Yes, me. I did on my last episode. Yeah, you did. But before you, the fat Jewish.

Josh, he came on and it was like in such an early episode and he was articulating how big of a business, the businesses that she's built internationally. But my question is like, I know, I know how savvy she is, but how did you both plug in when you. see what she's built. He said you just helped her organize her stuff. Like, how did you guys plug into that empire and be effective and helpful? I'm honestly, at the end of the day, just a supportive husband like everyone else. I always say to Paris, I always say to her, like if you ever wanted to just be a, if you want to be a school teacher, I'll make you the world's best school teacher.

She always looks up at me with those cute little eyes and goes, no, I like being iconic. And I was like, All right, let's go. She started 11-11, three years ago. I think, you know, now it's the largest female-founded media company in the world, billion-dollar-plus company. And, you know, what's unique about Paris is she has such global reach. Yeah, recently they did a focus group, and 78% of people globally between 15 and 55 know who Paris Sultan is. That is crazy. Wow. Right? Normally, it would be around 20% for a pretty big-time celebrity. And then when you think about how multi-hyphenated Paris is, right? A few years ago does her documentary, then she does a book. Now she's launching a new album with Sia and all these badass females. Her products alone, wait for this, her products alone

have done $4 billion in revenue the last decade. If she came to you, you guys to invest, would you I think the valuation is too great, you know? It's a unicorn. It's too pricey that valuation now. But at the end of the day, what people don't realize about Paris is she, her instincts are so good. And if you think about her career, she's just always been innovative. She's been one step ahead, right? She tells the story of everyone told her doing this reality show. The first of its kind would ruin her life. Turns out it did not ruin her life.

Instead, 13 million people tuned in for the first episode. Or she understood the power of social media and ongoing and ongoing, right? She was tweeting out about Bitcoin in 2016, mapping herself for her. the metaverse in 2018, right? She has such good instincts. And then like anybody else, she just works so hard because at the end of the day for Paris, because of these experiences she had at these troubled teen schools where she was physically and mentally and sexually abused, she basically said to herself, I'm going to make so much damn money and nobody can ever control me again. And so for Paris, like female, like that financial success means empowerment to her.

and that's what drives her, even though she's achieved everything, but she just has it instilled in her. There's this part in her book that is exactly what you just said, and she's like laying in the dark in like a cell that they put you in, which is disgusting. And you guys all have to go read the book, and she has this moment where she realizes that no one can control her mind. They can take everything away from her,

but they can't control her mind. And in the scene, she maps out how she's going to have glitter on her eye and she's going to have a blonde long ponytail and she's going to be the most famous woman in the world. And you can literally see the visualization and manifestation of becoming Paris Hilton in that chapter. It's a really, really powerful chapter. And it does show how when someone takes everything away from you, you do still have your mind. Powerful. Very, very smart. You're a lucky guy.

To bring it back to doing what you do best, though, I think, I can't remember I mention this. It's one of my favorite articles on our last episode. This guy, Paul Graham, who's a tech guy, writes about a lot of stuff. He has a little blurb that he calls Maker versus Manager's schedule. And I think, you know, a maker means you're a creator, you're seeing trends. You have to be in harm's way or the crosshairs of, like, seeing what's next and all that. And I think Paris has always done that. But I think, what's called my brother, Moore, manager for the purposes of this article,

he's come and brought structure to stuff and help do a bunch of things so that in some ways you can elevate or free up Paris's time to do that stuff because anyone gets drained decision fatigue making these small decisions maybe people involved who you know don't have your best interest or not aligned all that stuff and I think that's where you guys work really well together did you guys have a good bullshit meter like when you guys both came into her life could you just smell people that were there for the wrong reasons yeah I mean we lived in now it's not like we fell off the turn of truck we live in L.A. over 10 years so even before that hers is a good litmus test but I think we need to find a good teammate for you

for my brother. We do. You're single, newly single. What's going? Yeah, we got, yeah, listen, there's a few female listeners here that. So I've heard. We, you know, it didn't call up earlier, but I actually have 12 God kids. So that should be an endorsement. Yeah. And only like two of them are my immediate family. Is that official? That's a big. Is that official? I just asked you. So it's either 10 or 12. They are the godfather to Phoenix. Yes. Oh, she's okay. Then it's 11. Sorry. Oh, sorry. What's the 12th? London. I don't know. I don't think you can be the same. Well, we do it one year after

they're born. So 11 with an aspect. Wait, I don't think that you can be a godfather of two of the same family kids, can you? Like my kids have different godfather I think it's a one, it's a we have we've had a lot of debates with. There's a little bit of an outdated concept and we're much more spiritual

than religious, but no, I have three sets of two kids. Actually two girls and then two sets of two guys in different countries, mind you. So six of the 11 are three families. Are you ready to get married? I'm going to stay on this for a second. Yeah, yeah. No, I am. I think, you know, when we were talking earlier about where energy goes, I think that's my biggest lesson that life goes fast and tomorrow's not guaranteed. And I think like settling down, starting a family has been like not low on my priority list, but maybe three or four for quite a while. And it turns out that I never get to the fourth thing on the priority list, but I'm ready to make it the first thing for sure. What's your type?

Oh, man. What car keeps talking about unicorn? It's just your basic unicorn. Careful. Careful. Careful. No, I think without being too specific, I think, I think, without being too specific, I think, think it's more, it's taken a long time to realize, but I really, you know, want to partner. And I think we've been spending some time with Jay Shetty lately. And he told me I got the wrong definition from his book, but it's close to this. You know, his definition of love is something like you like the person, you like their personality, you love their values and you help each other achieve their dreams. Again, I've butchered it a little.

So sorry, Jay, if you listen to this. But the directions, right, where I went, wow, I've dated a lot of people or had relationships where I love their personality, maybe only like their values, kind of inverted those two and maybe didn't feel like I got enough support to achieve my dreams or get to new places. You really have to be aligned on the vision. Like that's something that I see all the time doesn't work is when one person wants to go here and one person wants to go here.

It doesn't work. You got to be a lot. You got to, I talk to my friends about this. I'm like, don't you sit down with your husband and like map out where you want to be in a year or 10 years or 20 years? And they're like, some of them are like, no. I did a podcast yesterday, which was weird. I was on the other side.

I was sitting there and I was being interviewed. A really nice kid named Casey. And he, we brought this up and I said, you can't just have, you can't just want to have the same vision. Like, say, Lauren and I like, hey, we want to build a pie shop. Like, my idea of the pie shop might be, I want to build an international pie brand that reaches the world. Hers might be like, I want to build just a mom and pop pie shop that serves the community.

Like, you both have the same idea, but like the vision of where you want to take it, if you're not aligned there, like I think I see a lot of couples that struggle where it's like, well, I thought we were going. here to the moon. What do you mean we want to stop? I think the good news is for where I said is for the right person, I'm not, you know,

I'm not 25 anymore. So we've taken some things out of the equation. Like, you know, it's not all about optimizing for money. It's more about impact and fulfillment. But even if you met at like 20, you wouldn't even know where that's going. Now I feel like I can be more flexible

when I find the right person because, man, when you find that person, it is awesome. You guys feel the same way? Did you know right away? Yeah. She kissed me and I was like,

holy shit. This is awesome. But no, we just, we were just instantly inseparable. And, like, we really just compliment each other, right? Like, truly, I give her things that she need. She gives me things that I need. Like, we really just... They should have called it Carter in love.

You're so cute with her. You are really so cute with her. It's sweet. She always says she was custom-made for me, and I think it might be factually accurate. Why don't you say these things to me? No, but here's the thing. I think that... It's still new.

This is going to sound very sappy, but I feel... Oh, now he's going to get... because you got sappy, so now he's asked to out sap you. The world in general can feel very lonely at times, no matter how much you're achieving, right? Like, you can, I mean, you guys have built best in class businesses, and that's all great. But at some point, it almost, and you're lucky that you get to do it as brothers, because there's a familiar bond. But unfortunately, it's the closest thing I've had to a marriage. So I see ups and downs.

It's been a good marriage. It's been a good marriage. They're not divorced. My point is, is that there's something special about feeling like you're building a life together with someone and that you're both in it together. Take the financials out of it, whether it's building a family or just building a life in general. And I think what I've seen with a lot of the guys that I know that are very successful and accomplished is like at some point, that accomplished a bucket gets over. He's like, you've already, like, what else are you going to do at this point,

honestly? And it's like, kind of like, okay, now what are we building to be fulfilled together? I think that incremental X, I've kind of hit that point where that incremental X amount isn't quite as exciting or even science not monetary, but some achievement thing is, you know, a little less, there's less of that dopamine hit and you're looking for something a little more lasting, like what everyone here has. What do you want for your brother? Like a great teammate, right? Someone that makes him his best version of himself and vice versa, somebody that's smart, someone that keeps him smiling. But at the end of the day, like, it's just someone that you're so excited to come home from work and wear your PJs and hang out with, right? Like, that's what I always

tell Paris, you know, when I jump on an early flight and come home because I'm just so excited to see her or I leave the office, I was like, how cool is it? We've literally spent in four years, probably all but about a week together. I'm still so excited to go home and give her a kiss and hear how her day was or vice versa. And that feeling is something you can't put on paper, but when you have it, you have it. You got to like a random Wednesday. Like that's what a marriage is. Like you've got to be able to like to be around each other so much that a random Wednesday, which is like the hump day of the week. It feels fun.

I was wondering why you chose Wednesday. Because it's like the hump day. It's like we're not at Friday yet, but we're like we're getting there. You know what I mean? I like the thing where someone's like if you find somebody you like to clean the toilets with, I think that's an outdated concept. But if you enjoy being with them to like do the things that nobody wants to do. When you get married, if I don't see you cleaning the toilets on Instagram with your wife.

Yeah, we're going to do it. That's going to be my debut on TikTok because I'm not on TikTok. Isn't that what you guys tell me? but isn't that like... Michael's not clean and shit. It's easy to find... No, okay, forget the toilets. When you use your manscaper, I'm cleaning things off everywhere, but he's not cleaning the toilet.

Listen, it's, well, it's been a few Wednesdays since I've woke up, said, let's hit the toilets, babe. But, but, you know, no, I get what you're saying, though. It's like the mundane stuff. Well, and it's also like, there's a lot of people who, if we're going amazing places and going to this or a lot of fun and, you know, myself included, everyone's like a fair weather fan. it's when you find someone that you don't mind doing the stuff that nobody wants to do or you go, okay, let's roll up our sleeves and do it together, right? DM Courtney, he wants to clean the toilets with you. For the right person, I will clean the toilet as like a screening for the first day, right?

That's a precursor. I have a question that Courtney and I talked about a little before we booked the show. There are a lot of couples that work together, a lot of families that worked together. I used to work with my dad. They're siblings. When you guys... Mother-in-laws? when you guys disagree with each other, say you really like a deal, you really don't,

or do you want to run the business? How do you guys resolve that, not only as partners, but being family? Because I feel if there was, sometimes people don't get this. I've never worked with family. If there wasn't the family dynamic, it's like, hey, it's more of like a business. When it's as personal as this, I want to know how you guys resolve. It's changed a lot over, you know, we've been business partners in different ventures for 15 years, more than that, like 17 years.

It's hard to believe we're that old. But I think it's changed a lot because I do think there was a time when it's just only he and I. And so if you disagree, it's just like trying to get, you know, adjudicated between the two of us. Now, I think it's evolved and that, of course, as you get older, you understand each other better. You maybe don't have to be right as much. But also, truth be told, like M13, for example, we have such great partners and different people who are thought leaders in different areas that now I go, well, I don't see it that way, but this person maybe has some background or expertise in that. you know, their opinion factors into. So I think there's very few things where it's only the two of us without other thought partners weighing in. I think for me, like, it's taken a long time,

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The holiday party, the way she decorates everything. Wouldn't you go? Were you invited the Christmas party? She invited me the Christmas party. I almost flew from Austin. Have you had Kathy on you? No. She's a consummate host. She's a great host. I like I just think she is so multifaceted and interesting. I mean, she's the original gee, she's the goat. Yeah. What's it like?

Having this as your mother-in-law. Yeah. This is pretty awesome. Is it like, are you guys like having like normal dinner conversation? We have a lot of normal stuff. But the thing about Kathy is she's just always so fun, right? Funny too. Like she's fun, she's funny.

You see so much of Paris and Kathy, right? You know exactly where she got it. And so, man, it's just awesome. On the Real Housewives, she loves prank calling. Oh, really? By the way, haven't done that since the 90s. Let's get Kathy on the podcast

and she will definitely retire the podcast after that. All right. I will. I will. Kathy, I will retire. You do have a business to, you know.

I just, I think she's like so interesting. Yeah. I really do. I mean, Lizzie, like we try to talk to like all sorts. I mean, you know,

you know the show. Like we're talking to everybody. So do you know, I told you guys this off air that I saw your book was like obsessed with the whole concept. and I DMed both of you

I think like probably six years ago, five years ago, yeah. Yeah, and like wanted you guys both to come on and ask the best way to book. Carter's not even on Instagram. Well, I never check my... I don't think you check my DMs, but now based on what we just talked about,

I'm going to have to check them anyway, so it's a good reminder that there can be amazing... Now I got Courtney on the bathroom there. Yeah, he's going to check his DMs now, you guys. Everyone at run. I have a feeling of this episode, you're going to be in the DMs a bit. Paris and Love, tell us how everyone can watch what you're doing.

Are you on Paris and Love, Courtney? You make a little of appearances. Carrie, correct me if I'm wrong. But season one, I was a little more featured probably because of buildup to the wedding. There was some controversy as to whether or not I would officiate the wedding. You know, besides my 11 God kids, I've officiated some weddings to some very rave reviews. That one didn't happen. What was the line card?

If it's read Father Ed and I guess it was Father Ed at the roulette table in Vegas. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, what? Well, the aforementioned Kathy was, I mean, and I get it, but she was in favor of the church, what's it called? Good Shepherd. Yep. Good Shepherd in Beverly Hills. So she wanted Old Father Ed, and I think some people in our family wanted me coming off a really good wedding for our cousin Jay. So in Vegas at the joint party, if we call it that.

Still trying to figure out what to call a joint one, but it was a great one. Wait, why is that weird to have a joint one? It was both Carter and Paris. Correct. I wish I did that. I just haven't experienced it before, but it was great. We had so much fun. But anyways, we were with cameras.

Probably my crowning moment for season one, Paris and love was we were at the roulette tables. And Kathy and I were having some banter. And it started to be, you know, roulette. If it's red, it's father red. It always goes to. But tell me, and we can air this out if you don't want to. But I want to, I think it's relevant to talk about what you're doing with this. soccer team. By the time this airs, you will already be gone. Sure. So you want to get into

Ted Lassau meets Ryan Reynolds? I think there's a time to do it. Like if we're going, we can, again, if you would later we can revisit it. But I think it's worth just discussing as one. I was trying to explain to Lauren what you're doing. I don't understand. Do you bought a soccer team? So have you seen, have you, so I had this idea before. I haven't seen Ted Lassow. Before, I'm too busy watching Paris and Love Carter. You're a smart woman. Yeah. On Peacock. streaming anytime day or night. You can also buy her book. Paris the memoir on Amazon, Barnes & Noble.

What about the perfume? And all your favorite bookstores. That's available everywhere. If we're hawking products for a moment here, though, I really came back. Well, I didn't know I came back for the DMs, but I definitely came back for the pink mouth tape because I've been excited about that.

The pink mouth tape is amazing. I'm telling you... It's live as of recently, right? But you guys both look like nose breathers, but you still got to try it. No, no. We talked to it. I tip my mouth every night.

I need it. I need it. pink mouth tape, but I'm going to tell you something. It's sold out in 48 hours, and then we brought it back, and it sold out in four minutes. I don't even have any of my own mouth tape. We have an inventory issue we've got to solve. We can talk about that. I'll be sending you guys my deck after this.

I'm just kidding. I was a pitch deck. I'm so excited because I use, like, we can go back to sports a minute, but I use sports tape on my mouth and I do it vertical. And I mean, some days when I'm rush, I mean, it just rips my lips, but it's just, it's the best way to seal it. And by the way, you should use our company that M13 company, because it'll save you money and help Pietra?

You order Pietra? Yes, I know I work with them. Okay, cool. I already work with them. I'm on the board. I'm on the board. I'm on the board. You do your packaging there.

Yeah, but I might ask you a couple questions. But you can kind of do all that stuff. But yeah, afterwards, yeah. Because I have some questions about other things. Yeah, yeah, for sure. But let's talk about it. Yeah, because I think this is like a great example of like having a dream and figuring out how to go after it.

Yeah. So let's see. I would say it like this. So there's a show that some people have seen called Ryan Reynolds. Welcome to Rexum. He buys the oldest. I don't know if it's the oldest team in England, but it's the oldest stadium. And he tries to rehabilitate them from the lowest division of what's considered pro all the way up.

And so I had this idea. We played growing up and at a pretty high level. I played in college. And, you know, let's say this way I wouldn't have gotten into the schools I got into if I weren't for having football or soccer. So someone I came across this idea, let's do a Ryan Reynolds, welcome to Wrexham, but I play. Because if I own the team, I can do that. Turns out, because of the way most sports teams are run, I don't actually need to buy the team. I just need to figure out some kind of financial arrangement.

So I found a team that, you know, was open to some kind of investment. And I said, here's what you need. Here's what I'd like to do. And I was on a Zoom and they were like, this is crazy. Wait, hold on. Hold on. Here's what you need. I don't think it sounds as crazy.

Wait, so what they need to fund. You've ever heard anyone buying an NBA team and walking on the heart true? If I had the funds and I wanted to do something, like be a Victoria Secret angel. And I bought Victoria's Secret. which you can get for pretty cheap to put some wings on and strut my ass down the runway I agree so I

so I'm on the Zoom and the guy's like you look really young but how old did you say you were and I told him he almost fell out of his chair and he said I I mean I want to do this because I think they needed the capital infusion but he was like we got to send someone to see you play because I don't think he thought I could walk

from here to the fridge they sent someone to see me play said it's much better than we we thought I think the parenthesis was and we need this investment. And so that happened in like December. January was the international transfer window. So I didn't even know this, but like pretend Ronaldo's switching teams. He was also Portuguese, but he didn't this time. But he switches teams. That's all public. So February 1st, the biggest paper in Portugal was like, it seems like they've hired a, this team signed a 45-year-old American who he can't find a record of him playing. Looks to be a pretty, pretty successful

entrepreneur and author and might even be related to Paris Hilton. And then a few things kind of crazy, but the funniest thing to come out of it was that the funniest thing to come out of it was that the UK son, which is a very big publication, wrote an article saying, as best we can tell, if this actually happens, this will be the oldest person to ever make their pro debut

at a level this time. Sorry, you're surprised at that. Well, so, you know, I don't know if anyone watches the NFL combine, but Tom Brady just beat his 40-yard dash time of 24 years ago. I don't think it's crazy. I don't think this is that crazy. Like, I get it. People

And also people pay their way in to do things all the time in L.A. Let's be honest. Here's the thing. Well, I don't think he paid his way here. I think he facilitated a tryout and then got the roster slot-based on scale. I make no bones that this is not totally merit-based, but I don't think it's zero merit. Okay, so how do I say you made an investment, and part of that investment was you playing? Yeah, I mean, I created an opportunity. I know he found a win-win, you know.

It's like buying a gymnasium for an elementary school to make sure your kids get an interview. And if they get that interview and then they're admitted to the school, then everybody wins. But yes. But anyways, I think for me it was like it was really exciting to find something where I could be really excited and really anxious and scared at the same time. And I kind of hadn't held both those in the same vein in a while. And so and there's lots of, you know, lots of other like mini inspirations. My friend Mike Posner, the singer is one example. I'm dying to interview him.

Oh, we should. I was with him two nights ago. His walk across America. So, you know, his, he obviously sang songs like I took a pill and a Biza. Then he's a much different person now. And it's kind of his evolution. We met, I think, probably at the start of me searching for something like this during COVID. Flew to see him outside of Denver.

And he had just walked across America for anyone who doesn't know. He walked from the Atlantic to the Pacific, 2,800 miles, thought it was going to be this journey of like everyone's singing and dancing going, oh, you're a Mike Poehner and just do pill and Abiza again. And instead, it was like of the 2,800 miles, like 2,500 of them. He's totally alone. It's dark. He got bit by a rattlesnake. And first, it was something like, you have, like, an hour to, like, get to a hospital. And this was, like, somewhere in the dust bowl or else you're going to die.

And then he almost lost his leg. And so, I don't know, there's more ones I could explain. But I'd say, those are all the moments where I was like, what's my walk across America? And so, you know, better to love and loss, never tried at all. So now I'm training hours a day and I'm going out there to play in a game May 4th. The next time you come on this podcast, you're going to be married, and you're also a manifest. And you're a professional soccer player. Like Paris Manifest Visualization, you're going to be married and you're going to have played on the soccer team and won.

And that's the next time you come on. Before you guys go, I have to ask you something. This is so random, but I know you guys will both have a great answer. You kind of answered this on the other podcast, but I would love to do like a little deep dive. How do you guys manage your time? To me, it's all about prioritization. and it's actually more important is deprioritization, right? Anyone who wants to accomplish a lot has a lot of to-dos.

I find the hardest thing you can do is say, hey, I just can't do this right now, and I'm going to push it back a week or a month or something like that. So to me, I wake up every day. You know, I usually spend time on the weekend. What's the 20% that's going to drive the 80%? Right. And what's that preto's principle?

Because, you know, now not only is a business, but I want to spend time with my wife and I want to spend time with, you know, our kids, just like you guys do. So the bar is just so much higher, right? So it gets so much easier to say no to that kind of good friend's birthday party because I'd rather hang out with my family or I'd rather work or something like that. Kids are a great excuse.

Yeah. So, no, I think your worst case for you at this point is like you have part of a professional soccer team and you decide, hey, I'm not really going to do this. But your best case is you could set a record and build a fucking phenomenal team and story. And it's like, I just think it's rad. I think like, listen, again, I'm not trying to pretend that I'm not really lucky. you have this opportunity to come my way, I think so much of life is making your own luck,

and I think I've taken the first steps in making the luck, and I think compared to maybe me 10 or 20 years ago, I hope this is true. I'm as excited to go, like, just join the team, practice for like a week and then go play in a game, but it's the whole process of like being around 22-year-old Brazilian kids are going to not know what to make. I mean, that's a really interesting interpersonal dynamic of the average age, you know, being 20 years younger than I am. And so, you know, I think it's going to be about about the adventure and the team's called Lank FC but it's near Porto which is a lot of people's favorite place in Portugal so I have my brother promises he's coming I have a lot of I have some friends who say they're gonna make it a long

weekend in Portugal I'll be I will be going yeah I got when this when this starts to man it I'm gonna sorry G4 50 oh sorry sorry edit that out with a jet bed and have people believing it's a G4 we have covered a lot of ground today guys Courtney we're gonna find you, pimp yourself out your Instagrams. At Paris in Love. Carter's famous for, have you not posted anything since you got married or have there been a couple posts now? I have not posted since I met Paris four years ago. Go by their book.

Yeah. Shortcut your startup as our book. Been out about five years. But I'm always so pleasantly surprised when people say they read it recently and there's still some evergreen wisdom in there. Harris book too. Oh, sorry. This is Paris Memoir. What else we got?

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