The Bossticks - Catfishing & Online Personas Ft. Kamie Crawford Of MTV's Catfish

Episode Date: July 18, 2022

#479: On today's episode we are joined by Kamie Crafword. Kameran "Kamie" Crawford is an American television host of MTV's Catfish, the host of the Relationshit Podcast, a Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Rookie, and beauty pageant winner of Miss Teen USA. On today's episode we discuss the truth behind catfishing, dating, and how we present ourselves online. To connect with Lauryn Evarts click HERE To connect with Michael Bosstick click HERE Read More on The Skinny Confidential HERE For Detailed Show Notes visit TSCPODCAST.COM To Call the Him & Her Hotline call: 1-833-SKINNYS (754-6697) Check Out Lauryn's NEW BOOK, Get The Fuck Out Of The Sun HERE This episode is brought to you by The Skinny Confidential  The Hot Mess Ice Roller is here to help you contour, tighten, and de-puff your facial skin and It's paired alongside the Ice Queen Facial Oil which is packed with anti-oxidants that penetrates quickly to help hydrate, firm, and reduce the appearance of fine lines and wrinkles, leaving skin soft and supple. To check them out visit www.shopskinnyconfidential.com now.  Produced by Dear Media 

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some major realness. Welcome to the skinny confidential, him and her. Growing up, I was bullied a lot, so I was a fucking mess. I was like, depressed and very sad and I had a bunch of other childhood trauma issues with my biological father that I was dealing with. So I was going through a lot. It wasn't until I was like 13 going into high school and I was like, okay, bitch, do you want to feel like this forever or do you want to be that bitch? And I chose to be that bitch. I made a conscious decision to stop letting other people tell me how I was going to feel about myself. Michael, did you know that I've been catfished before? Did you know that I've been catfish before?

No, I've been catfished. I think I was the victim of the catfishing. I don't think so. I feel like in this episode you guys can decide because we talk about it. I was catfished. I think I was catfish at the same time. Okay, well, whatever. By the way, we have the CEO, the star of MTV's catfish.

She also has a podcast with Dear Media. Relationship. The catfishing expert herself, Cammy Crawford is on the show. She is so major, you guys. She is an American television host, a beauty pageant winner. She, like I said, is on MTV's Catfish. She's also a Sports Illustrated swimsuit rookie. And she has a merch line with Dear Media.

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Go check it out. I hope they're not sold out. Also check out her podcast relationship on Deer Media. It's a great show. And we had a ton of fun on this one. This episode was a blast to record. Taylor even chimed in. It's all over the place, but it's so much fun. I think you're going to love it. With that, meet Cammy Crawford, TV star, and podcaster. Welcome to The Skinny Confidential, him and her show. This is the skinny confidential, him and her. I need to know right off the bat what I'm getting myself into or what I'm not getting myself, what I'm getting myself out of. What's acceptable? Because you can, you can have, it can be too big. Let's be realistic. Like, it can be too big. Let's be realistic. Like, it can be too big.

Can it be too big? Yes. Really? If it's too long? Okay. That's like cervix area. That's like no-no zone. Hold on. It feels like you've had 31 flavors.

If you're like... I have it, but I just know, I know what works. Okay, so it can't be too long. No. You don't want to like a fucking pogo stick. I like a beautiful penis. Oh, yeah. There's like penises that are like dick cheesy and then there's like a penis that's like

just a pretty penis. Like I can't explain. Like Taylor, let's show yours against Michaels right now. Let's do a comparison. If Taylor shows his dick and this, Dude, I'm out. I'm leaving. One time I had a horrible experience where not to be mean, but I had a micro. Like a actual, not like a, I'm being funny. Like I had an actual micro. That's my biggest fear. Yeah. Because what am I supposed to do with that? Because you're going to think I'm fucking, you're going to think I am the baddest porn star bitch on the face of the earth. But it's really because your penis is this small and it only takes this much to put it in my mouth.

And also, my thing is like is the one night stand worth it with a micro? No. No. That's why you should. have to put it all out in the open from the beginning. Yeah, we have to show you guys our tit size. There's a lot of devastated guys listening right now. There's a lot of people that are just like, fuck. I'm saying it doesn't have to be too big, but it's got to be just right. It can't be too small. Like there's like

a... There's a middle ground. There's a middle ground. The goldie locks of cock. Exactly. It's not too big. It's not too small. It's just right. That's so good, Taylor. Taylor, that was a good one. That was a good one. Okay, before we get into the interview, I have to ask you one more thing while we're on the top of it.

Right. I mean, do you mind if it's a one-minute man? Honestly, I think that the whole idea of having sex for like three hours is just an exhausting thought. Three hours. I think a cool, like 15, 20 minutes. Yeah, I got to put an Instagram.

I'm like, let's go. That's ideal. Because the, like, anything. I don't know. Because like if it's, if it's one minute, I'm going to take that as a Scorpio. I'm going to take that, like, as the God complex in me, is going to take that as like, I'm the fucking best. But that's like the first time.

Now, if the second round is a minute. I've since increased since a minute. I'm well past the lawyer. I'm definitely not at the three hour time. No, we know you're not at the three hour. Oh, listen, hold on. Hold on. Who the fuck is at the three hour time?

I've got kids. I got a business to run. You know what I mean? I've had some experiences that have lasted a long time. But it's usually like, you know, you take breaks. You get a glass of wine. you like talk and then go back and then... I mean, that sounds fun.

Yeah, that sounds fun. But that's different. If you don't have kids. Right, I don't have kids. I'm talking about nonstop three hours. I'm not like... No, no, no. What do we people talking about that?

No. The other day we had to like squeeze it in because the baby was taking a nap and then like I'm 6,000 months pregnant, which is already like enough of that. And it's like porking like a pork tenderloin or something. And then afterwards, you were not full. satisfied. So I, I, I, I, did it again. Came back for her. God. Yeah. Well, you know, you keep saying that about yourself. I love, I'm still very attracted to my wife when she's pregnant. I think it's a beautiful thing. Oh. Do you really are you saying that to get like like, like, come.

No, no, but I read this book called evolutionary psychology. It's a really dense, boring book. Here we go. And they talked about how, I mean, maybe there's some fringe men, but most men, if they see another woman that's pregnant without their child, they're actually not attracted, because they don't find pregnant women pretty, but because they know they can't procreate. Are you trying to tell me no one thinks I'm hot right now? Hold on. He's saying nobody but him. Okay.

But if they find... Goody, goody gum drops. But they found if it's a... If it's your child, you're actually more attracted because it's like you've procreated with that. Doesn't make sense, though. I think that's an ego thing when it comes to men. I think it's like, I, that is my seat in there.

That is my... I wonder what happened if men got off that. Disgusting when women got pregnant too. So they had to share the burden of that. So when the girl got pregnant, the man got large and fat too. Or I shouldn't. You're out.

You're out of the edge. I just think bigger. I have heard that. I've heard that you both are pregnant when the woman is pregnant. I have been feeling a little tired, to be honest. I'm sure she loves hearing that. Taylor, just so you know, for the record, is a one minute man. So.

I'm an X one minute. No, X. I edged my way out of obscurity. What's the longest you've gone since you've edged your way out? Now? I can go about the normal time. What is that? What is that?

As long as is it required to have climax for both partners. There's no way that you can go for half an hour. I don't believe that for one second. I don't know about no. I have to take little pauses and breaks. It's all about the motion. It's now it's like when you start to feel it, I have to like. I'm sending you home from both today.

I have to take a little pause. Like so there's no more thrusting. And then you just, then you resume after you kind of goes away. Cammy, I'm so sorry. This is our first interaction. I'm just imagining you preparing to not be a one-minute man anymore and like

just you doing like the jerk off Olympics trying to Just like, literally, that's exactly what it is. Take your stamina. It's stamina training. But you know what? For men, I feel, I feel sorry for you all because especially if you're fucking a bad bitch, it has to be like the brain power that it takes to not bust a nut. It's like, just don't, just don't bust a nut.

Like, I feel like that's all they think about. Is it hard? It's hard. It's hard because like you don't, you know, you maybe get overly excited. Like, I've been pursuing this person for so long. You're like, so turned on. And then all of a sudden you get there like, fuck, this is not. my moment. Either it goes one or two ways. Either don't perform or that you perform too fast. And

like, you want to be in the middle of that. You got nervous the first time we had sex. Because you're a bad bitch and he was like, oh. I overthought it in my head, right? And then I was like, fuck, I got to recover here. And I had to go do some deep work. You did some deep work. You did some deep work and then you did some deeper work. Yes. We were back in action. You're right, though. I'm glad you put that up with the guys out there. I mean, I think also women kind of know. Like, I tried to give people the benefit of the doubt. But then like I said, God Complex. I'm like, yes, I fucking God. you know what I bet it's really hard to sleep with you you're very pretty you're very strong

and the man's probably a little intimidated Taylor would probably go in 30 seconds the other day I went into Taylor's office and I looked down at his mouse like his little not not his mouse in his pants I looked down his little mouse on his computer and the mouse was destroyed it's an old mouse it's like this mouse was 10 years old Michael go look at this mouse after this. It's so... You're a fucking work mouse, man? Yeah. So... It was my personal mouse I brought from home. Who knows what you're doing at work with your mouse? Oh my God. Anyway. That thing's got some miles on it. Cammy, welcome to the show. What a warm welcome. Yeah. God. I love it here. This is great.

I want to go way back to your childhood before catfish, before your hit podcast. It's killing it. Yay. Tell us about how you grew up, where you grew up, all the things. I grew up. Well, I was born in Cleveland, Ohio, which is like a very strange aside from my life because I haven't been back to Cleveland since I was like five. But I was born in Cleveland, raised in Potomac, Maryland, though, so like right outside of D.C. And I have five sisters. So I'm the oldest of six girls. All girls, no boys. Yes. That's everyone's face when they find out. You have, it's six girls? Six girls. What happened to your, for father? Is he okay? He just locks himself in his office and closes his ears and screams internally. Somebody, we need to send him a care package or what?

He's great. Honestly, girl dads are very, very lucky. And because you have someone to take care of you for the rest of your life. Like, boys,

they get married and they move on and they don't give a fuck about you. But girls will, like, brush their dad's hair and, like, feed them when you can't fucking move anymore. It's the best. Yeah, I'm not complaining.

I love my daughter. See? Okay, so you grow up in Potomac, which, by the way, I know the city very well because of Real Housewives. Oh, I feel like that's how everyone knows it,

because before Real Housewives of Potomac came out, I used to have to explain where Potomac was, and now everyone's like, do you know, Karen? Do you know Giselle? And I do. Like, I grew up. I grew up with these people. Like, these are my... You know the grand-a-dome. Yes. She is fucking fabulous. I do. They've asked my mom to be on that show several times. I'm surprised they haven't asked you. They have. They asked for both of us. But my mom is like, absolutely not. She's not about the fucking drama. She's like, born and raised in Jamaica and she will fuck you up. So she's not. She didn't. I'm still like calculating how your mom had six girls. Like, well, how was that? What does she say about pregnancy? Tell me some tips. So we kind of have like a blended family. So my mom and my dad when they met they each had a daughter and then they had four together. So I have my sister Milan who's 28. I'm going to be 30 this year. And then the four that they had together, my sister Victoria, she's 23. Carrington's 21. And then the twins are 15. So. There's some gaps. Yeah. I think between me and the youngest, once, it's 14 years. So it's a gap. The gaps don't negate. Yeah, no, no, how hard this is. It's hard. It's super hard. I love when guys say that. Oh, there's some gaps. Like, like, it's a little break. Hard. And you have to take care of the others. Yeah. So that's chaotic. But she,

honestly, my mom is like superwoman. She's obsessed with being a mom. She loves it. Like, I think if she, I used to tell her that I feel like you just pop out babies so you can go to Jimbury and, like, use your coupons. Like that, I, there's a reason why you keep doing this. And I don't think it's because of us. But she loves it. She loves it. She, like, would love when we would come home on vacation. And, like, whenever we'd have summer break, she was so excited while all the moms were, like, yay, summer.

Or, like, send them to summer camp. She was, like, the opposite. So when did you, like, decide that you wanted to go to Hollywood? Did you always know this from a young age that you were, like, meant for something shiny and bright and camera? No. So did people approach you, Marilyn? Like, what happened? No.

So I ended up competing. in a pageant. My first pageant ever. I was Miss Maryland Teen USA. And then I went on to Miss Teen USA and won that pageant. So that was my second pageant. But I didn't even watch pageants before that. I didn't know shit about pageants. My friend was like, you should try it. You would love it. It would be so fun. You'll make new friends. And I was like, okay. So I did it. And I ended up winning and that was that. Did you like it? It's a weird world, huh? It's a weird, weird world. Like I had to become accustomed to it because I didn't know anything about it. And like, I come from a pretty diverse background.

Like Potomac is diverse-ish. Not like how they portrayed on the housewives at all. But like I had friends of all different colors and shades. And then I'm entering this world where, you know, I was the first Black Miss Teen USA in 10 years. So that was a fucking trip for a lot of people. And everyone, I imagine it's weird. I'm just kind of like staring and judging you.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's you basically, you pay to be judged. But I was really paying to win. I was like, I'm going to win this. Like I have to. Probably develop thick skin doing something like that, right?

Yeah. And I also, I think I was so, because I was so new, I was like oblivious to the shade that people would throw at me. So girls would like say some catty shit and they would just fly over my head because that's not why I was there. But I did make some really amazing friends. But I can't say looking back on it now that I loved it because there were definitely moments when I was ready to quit.

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Is it through pageants? How did you get your confidence? My mother's an Aries. So there's no other option. She, um... This motherfucker's in Aries too. Huh. Okay.

There is no other option. I honestly wasn't, though, like growing up, I was bullied a lot, so I was a fucking mess. I was, like, depressed and very sad, and I had a bunch of other childhood trauma issues with my biological father that I was dealing with. So I was going through a lot, and it wasn't until I was, like, 13 going into high school. And I was like, okay, bitch, like, do you want to feel like this forever? Or do you want to be that bitch? And I chose to be that bitch. I just made a conscious decision to stop letting other people tell me how I was going to feel.

about myself. And my mom would literally sit me down in the kitchen and like we would go over comebacks in case somebody said some shit to me. She's the best. If you could go back and like pull those comebacks and get her to come on your podcast, that would be amazing. Oh yeah, yeah. So why were you bullied? I can't like, you're so beautiful, you're confident. Like you were people jealous of you? I don't, I don't know. I had like, I had three main bullies in elementary school. that like made my life hell. I actually made a TikTok that went viral about them because I found out that they were still talking shit about me

20 years later on Facebook. Oh, please. They're the typical high school Facebook trolls? Yes. Oh, are they the ones that watch you with no picture and it's like Raza Zaza, Pazza, Pazza, Pazza, Pazza, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. Yes, Razzle, 5, 5, 5, 5, 4, 4, 4, 4, user 9, 99. Yeah, basically.

I mean, they were like posting articles of me on Catfish being like, oh, she thinks she's the shit. Oh, blah. I'm like, yeah. Yeah, she's the shit. Yeah. You're in a Facebook group talking shit about someone from high school 20 years later. That's kind of sad for you.

Look in the mirror. Yeah. So people just bullied you clearly because they were jealous. I don't know. I don't like to think anybody's jealous with me. I think that's such a weird thing. And I don't experience that. Like, I don't feel jealousy.

There are times when I see people doing something. I'm like, oh, God, I wish I could do that. but not ever like, why are they doing that and I'm not doing that? So I don't really get that vibe, but I mean, I was definitely like, I guess chubby. Who the fuck wasn't chubby when they were like seven? And then Michael wasn't like, go on. He's always been. He's like, glazed over.

Yeah, but you know what? I was small, right. Okay, all right. Oh, okay. So we all have our things. Not everything was small. Yeah. That's how I landed.

I had the goldilocks dick, right? I guess. Exactly. Keep going. Let's not get caught up in that. Let's stay on you. Let's not get caught up in those visuals. I don't know.

I can't really pinpoint. Some kids are just fucking mean. Like, what are you supposed to do? And I also wasn't confident. I didn't speak up for myself. Like, if I think when children especially, or just people, because they grow up to be the same way, when people can pinpoint an insecurity of yours or any kind of weakness,

they pray on that and they just keep on twisting it. It's like a knife. And that's just what they did. And it was working. Like it worked. You mentioned trauma. How did you overcome that? Like what were the tools in your toolbox that you used?

And maybe you haven't overcome it. But what are some things that you've noticed have helped? I mean, well, now being an adult, being in therapy, I've been in therapy for over a year now and it's like transformed my life. Because I had to be my own therapist for a long time. Like in most black households, West Indian. households like mine like therapy is not a thing they're like you're depressed go to press them dishes like you're not depressed you're too young to be depressed where are you sad you have so much

happiness around you and that's just how it is in a lot of foreign homes and even some american ones too so i think at the time i just i just it went along with the same kind of decision making because i was like 12 and my hair was falling out because i was so stressed out and i could even tell my mom because I was just like, she's not, she's going to be like, what? Like, you have such a beautiful life. And I did, but there was still something missing. So the backstories, my biological father left when I was five. So I haven't seen him.

I spoke to him 11 years later when I was 16. But other than that, we don't have any correspondence at all. And it took a toll on me in my younger years because I didn't know why. Like, I hadn't spoken to him. So I didn't know why. But I just, I don't know. I grew up. I had my sisters.

I had my dad in my life who raised me and gave me like that Cinderella story. And so I didn't really miss out. But at the time when I was a kid and you don't know any better, I thought I had missed out on a lot. And I really didn't. Well, that's still very heavy, obviously five years. I mean, even though you're young, five years is a ton of time to spend with someone. I mean, I think about the relationship I have with my daughter. Like even how close we've gotten in two and a half years.

Like I'd imagine that was extremely difficult for you. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it was so confusing because like, you. go from having someone all the time to not ever seeing them again with no explanation. I was like, oh, he died. Like, that was literally how I processed the trauma, I guess. I just decided that he had died.

And then when I was 16 and I found out he was alive, I was like, the fuck? The fuck are you doing here? It's almost I can think as a child, like you feel like they're rejecting you. But I think maybe as you get older, you realize it was never about you. It was actually all about their. That's what I've learned with age. It's never, it's never about me. Right.

It's about their own stuff that they're going through. But that's hard to separate when you're so little. When you're a child, you don't know. Yeah. Like I came to terms with it, but then through therapy, I've really come to terms with it. And it's just the way that it is. But now I'm looking forward to like breaking that kind of cycle. And, you know, I also don't think that my mom are like,

any woman goes into, you know, procreating with someone and thinking like, this person's not going to be good for my child. Like, I think most normal loving mothers go into making children feeling like, okay, I want to give this child the best life that I possibly can. But I know that moving forward, like, I want to raise daddy's girls. Like, if I have girls, I want for them to be obsessed with their dad because I missed out on that experience. So that's my traumatic story. No, I honestly, I'm excited for you to find someone that, like, is obsessed with the little girl that you're probably going to have because I'm telling you, I think it'll, it is probably going to be really healing. Yeah. Oh, I can't wait to see it. Yeah, it's in a weird way. It is healing to, like, see that. Yeah. It's fulfilling. Yeah. But I want her to be obsessed with me also.

That's hard. That's hard. It's hard. It's hard to get both. Yeah, it's hard. I feel like right now it's, it's, she's obsessed with you. Yeah, but she plays games. Like last night she was not. You know, they flip-flops. Oh, what do you mean? She's my daughter. Of course, she plays games. Okay, so how did you get discovered for catfish?

Is this something you went on an addition for? Were you doing stuff before then that led up to that? How did you get to that? So after Miss Teen USA, I was hell-bent on becoming a dermatologist. I was like, I'm going to be a doctor. I'm going to be a dermatologist. That's going to be my job. And then I started school.

And second semester bio hit. And I was like, fuck this shit. I'm never going to be a doctor. Like I remember the teacher on the first day of like second semester bio was like, most of you in this room will never be doctors. And I was like, true. And I left and I signed up for communications classes. Because when I was Missing USA, I got so much experience in front of the camera that I was like,

oh, like this could be good for me. Like I could do something non-traditional. And so I just completely just leaned into that and transferred school. I went back to New York City and started working. Like I just started in class. I remember I would be in class and people would be taking notes and I would be like putting together my media kit and like sending out my reel to different like local news stations and being like, I can do this.

I can do that. So I started doing some just like local news like what to wear for fall, like best beauty products for Mother's Day, those kinds of things. And just like little segments here and there, which was awesome. And then I was at home. I remember, it was 25, going through my quarter century life crisis. I was like, I'm never going to be on TV. Like, I'm very dramatic, like, very, very dramatic.

Like, I'm never going to be a doctor. I'm never going to be on TV. So I was like, I need to look for a job because all the stuff that I was doing was great, but nothing big had happened yet. And at 25, I was just like, I should be Oprah. Like, why am I not? Why am I not? So I started looking for jobs.

Then I was like, bitch, this is not what you want. Like, you need to make a drastic change. I had this feeling in my gut to move to L.A., but I never wanted to be in L.A. That was never like my jam. I'm such an East coaster. Like New York was definitely my home. But I was like, you have to do something drastic. So I picked up and I moved to L.A.

The same week that I was moving to L.A., I got an email from someone at casting. at catfish that was like, we would love to have you come on and guest co-hosts two episodes. And I was like, this is a fucking scam. I'm getting catfished. But Yolo, like, let's just go with it. Were you watching or a fan of the show before? Oh, yeah.

I've been watching since the documentary. So I was for sure like, this is a fucking scam. I'm getting scammed. But my brain was so fucked up during that move because I was like, I'm moving across the country away from my family. I don't have a job. I'm I've lost it Like I've lost my mind

And I don't know when I'm moving to LA for I'm like going like every other pageant bitch that I know Like everybody moves to LA after Every pageant every homecoming queen Everyone that wants to be a model Yeah And I was a hometown hottie and maxim Every hometown of the week

I forgot what it was Yeah but or cutie of the month But they all move And like then you get here and you're like Wait Yeah Yeah. Everyone's charismatic. Yes, everyone's beautiful. Everyone's hot.

Everyone wants to do the exact same thing as me. And at the time, I wanted to be on e-news. So I was like, literally, that's what everyone wants. Every TV host in the space wants that. But I was like, we're just going to go for it. And then when I got the email from Catfish, I ended up flying out. I think I got the email on like a Wednesday with my flight info. And they were like, you're flying out in two days to film this episode in Iowa City.

I was like, eh, this is fucking fake. I'm probably going to get human trafficked, but at least I tried. So I went and it was great. It was amazing. I didn't believe it until Neve actually walked in the day that we were filming. And then I immediately was like, I'm going to shit myself because I was, I didn't think that it was real. And then I came back to New York to pack up my shit and move. I came back on a Sunday.

The movers came on Monday and I was in L.A. The following day. And then they asked me to do two more episodes. they were like, let's do two more. And then they were like, let's do two more. And then Neve called me and was like, do you want to do this all the time? And I was like, I thought we had already decided that the first time that I came. How do they figure who they're putting on the show?

And like, how real are all these stories? Very, very. And honestly, I wish that people could see the behind the scenes. I can't even. Neve and I are great. Max was great. But the real fucking stars of Catfish are the people. behind the scenes, like the casting people and the people who are, we have people on our team that

literally fly out to like the hopeful, so the people who write in and stay with their family for like a week and just like get to know them, warm them up, see how they're feeling, like, see if it's really genuine and authentic. Of course you have your people who come on and like just want to be on TV. Like it happens all the time. But most of the stories that we go for are like, the casting team has been talking to them for like three years. So how does this all transponderance How did like a good submission? Meaning like you guys are like really going to invest in? How can Taylor Smith?

Walk him through it. He's got his notepad out. He's like, and like how much pre-work exists before you're like, okay, we're going in and we're going to feature this person? There's a lot of pre-work because we have to do background checks also. Basically, a good submission would be someone either writing in on behalf of themselves or a friend that's being catfish and being like,

this is my story. I've been talking to this person for this long, blah, blah, blah. Casting team will reach out to them. gauge like how valid is the story like is their truth to it and then basically I like to describe the show as kind of like an escape the room so there is someone on our team that knows who the person at the end is going to be but Neve and I are in the dark the entire time that we're doing everything so as you watch the show when we open the laptop doing the investigation reading the email all of that happens as you see it happening and nobody tells us anything so there have been times when we are

doing the research on a person for like three hours and we will look at our producer and be like, can we get a clue? Like, can we get something? And they'll be like, okay, look at June of 2018. Then we'll scroll all the way down and like look at June and find something. And then we can like go off of that. Now a word from our sponsor, BetterHelp.

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For someone that has never watched this show that's listening, what is a catfish? When you say you're looking for clues, do you mean clues with the catfish? to find out who the catfish is. Got it. Okay. So just walk us through like if someone doesn't know what the show is, what the premise is, and what a catfish means. Because maybe someone's listening and they're like, oh, I had catfish for dinner last time. Like we got to like.

We got to break it down. We got to break it down. Okay. We'll break it down. In fact, Taylor probably did have catfish for dinner. Like, honestly it wouldn't surprise me. So catfish is great. So catfishing basically, a lot of people know the term, but they don't know that they're

an actual show behind it and they don't know that there was an actual documentary before that so the documentary is based around neve who's my co-host who was catfish by a woman who claimed to be like a 20-something super cute girl living in i don't even fucking nowhere and like made up a whole life around this person made up a whole life around their family got the family involved and like was having conversations with them as this person's brother and this person's dad and you know like it was like a whole thing but it ended up just being like this woman who lived in Michigan somewhere and was just really sad and lonely and wanted to talk to him. And so that's basically what catfishing is. It's when you're talking to somebody on the internet usually who is presenting to you a completely different person than who they are in

real life. And that can be visually or that can be their background. But I like to also say that, like, you can get catfished by people that you know in real life. Because how often have you met someone? And you're like, oh my God, this person is great. And then you don't realize. that like they have 20 felonies live in a fucking shoebox and like our psychopath I have never heard of that kind of catfish Oh

So is the Tinder swimmer? A catfish? 1,000% Yeah, he's a catfish. Yeah, he is. Okay, so you can be friends with someone that's a catfish. Yeah, I have been friends with someone who was a catfish.

How was your friend a catfish? She had lied to me about everything in her life. She had like faked an engagement. She told me all these fucking stories of all these amazing places that she was traveling to, but she wasn't actually in those places. She would call me.

I was going to catfish the host of catfish, though. That was before. That was my prep. Because I'm not catfishing the host of catfish. But wouldn't that be a good person to catfish? Yeah. That would be the least. Anyways.

Yeah. That was my long-term audition. So the show, so the show obviously is like very, very, very popular. The premise is around you guys catching the catfish. Yeah. Well, sometimes it is the person that they were talking to. So like finding clues,

but maybe they haven't face-timed or like, they haven't spoken on the phone. So there's usually like little indicators that something shady is going on. And usually if it is the person in the photos, there is something that they're hiding. But they are the person in the pictures. So like we try to find as much information as we can

to try to pinpoint who the person is. Is the person the person in the pictures, which is usually what we call the mask. So like the mask that they're using as someone else. Lauren, I feel like someone has definitely catfish using your photos. Oh, they have. How did you know that? I forgot about that until you just said that.

Because look at you. Like you're beautiful. How did you just know that? Of course. Wait, I forgot about the catfish. I literally forgot about skinny confidential catfish until you just said that. I was just thinking you would be a great mask. Check this out.

Wait. Oh, I forgot about the catfish. You guys have to Google the skinny confidential catfish. This is a whole thing. Oh, so these are all my pictures. You guys, if you want to get context, can Google the skinny confidential catfish. These are actually my photos. Well, that's actually me.

Those are my engagement photos. That's my sister-in-law. That's obviously my husband. So the catfish took the face off of me and put her face in there. But that's my, look, there's my hair. Like, see, I was so confused

because I was like, you look completely different in that picture. Those are my tits. Like, she used my tits. Well, at least she used those. Wouldn't mistake those anywhere. Those were expensive, so she should use them. Oh, my God. You know what, though?

I kind of thought it was cool because it's like the commitment. But we don't know if this was a, we never found out who this person was a sheet. Did we tell them? We don't know if that's the actual person. it could be another mask. Right.

It could be a double mask. It is. It is. Sorry. What is is this? That's not, that girl is not, I was able to find the, find her. Why? Because you wanted to hook up with her.

Remember we did a deep, we did a deep dive on this and we found. I'm sure. Your mouse is so fucked. No, no, let me finish. Stop. Let me finish the story. When we did the deep dive on this, this girl through Google's image, reverse image search, we found out that she was a model and that she had done modeling because we found out

what her name was. And we were able to track it. And she was just a normal person. So I think that there was somebody who was pretending to be this girl who was pretending to be dating Michael. So it was like a three-way catfish situation. I actually think that this was deeper. I actually think the person wanted my audience and community to think my husband was cheating on me. Because they DM'd me.

Hey, your husband's cheating on you. He's being unfaithful. These pictures. But I was like, that's her. That's me. Does that make sense? Yeah. That's Lauren's body.

She just imposed her face over. Right. Right, which is like, bitch, you think that he was cheating on me at my engagement shoot? Yeah. But then you forgot the post. In the picture that I posted. But there was also context to these. All these posts had text underneath it where it was like, oh, I just got back with a beautiful dinner trip.

There was context with every photo. It was like talking about my grant. It was, it got dark. But how did you forget that this occurred? I literally forgot. I remember. So I said, Taylor. Until you just said that I wouldn't, I forgot.

I can't believe. How long ago was it? I mean, it was like what? And this is a long time ago. It's episode 45. I forget I got catfish. So that's kind of weird. Here's how you can tell the timeline.

It's episode 4. I'm looking at episode 45 of our show. We're on episode like 500 now. Oh, wow. So this is my one question that I don't understand and you have to help me understand this. If I'm talking to a guy on the internet and I'm like into him, I'm facetiming him immediately. Why are people not doing that? People have the most insane excuses that you can think of.

I think they don't want to know. And there are a lot of people. who don't want to know. And I honestly can kind of understand and respect that. Like, especially over the pandemic, we found a lot of people who are like, this is the only thing I have going right now. Like, why would I want to give that up? And I get that. Because even in real life, like, sometimes something is better than nothing. And as sad as that sounds, like, you have to keep in mind where people are located. Because not everyone is in L.A., not everyone is in New York. Not everyone is in Austin. Like, people live in Middle America where they're dating pool.

is the same people that they went to kindergarten with. Do you really want to date, like, the person that you went to fucking kindergarten with for the rest of your life? Like, some, no, no shade to anybody who's still with the same man from kindergarten, young man from kindergarten. But put that disclaimer up there. Exactly. But careful, careful. No shade. But, like, when the dating pool is that small, you, of course you want to think that you're talking to Gigi Hadid.

Why wouldn't you? Why wouldn't you want to? Like, of course, these people are trying to talk to you on the internet. when you don't have access to celebrities and like seeing them or seeing how kind of difficult it is or not difficult it is to get in touch with them, people think, people think anything. I though am getting on fucking FaceTime. Like, oh, well, no one's screwing with you. Especially with what you've seen.

No one's screwing with you. Yeah. You're like, is that the Paris filter? Yeah. What filter is that? Oh, I know. Is that the Devalite? Yeah.

Is that the divalite? Let me ask you another question. How many of these stories that you've seen? or in your experience are like people mostly just looking for companionship kind of light like hey these are some lonely people okay maybe give it a pass compared to the ones that are dark

like maybe there's a guy out there that's got malicious intent that's presenting himself as a young woman talking to the guy or a girl like how often do you see that in the mix? I would say 85% is like just companionship wanting to have someone yeah I would say that and then the rest are the fucking shady characters

which then I have to cuss them out. It's the whole thing. What do you guys do when you find those people? I cuss them out. Like you say you're sick. I say you're fucking gross and you should go to fucking prison. And do they or no? No.

Are they committing crimes? Well, that's the thing. It's like it's not a crime to catfish. And then if you're technically scamming as a catfish, really I think under the law, they're going to look at it like you gave money to somebody that you've never met on the internet. Like because you were in love with them.

Who gives a fuck with their pictures look like you shouldn't have given money to them, you know? What do you think about this story that of, uh, Dedy and Gypsy? The daughter that met the guy on the internet and then they ended up killing the mom. Do you know what I'm talking about? Yes, of course. Gypsy Rose, Blanchard. Wild. Wild story. Was that a catfish or no?

I mean, she was catfishing. Didi and, well, I put the blame on the mother because like, Gypsy was a child. But like, yeah, that was a catfish. That was a whole. That was a whole catfish scam scheme trifecta. Okay, so there was catfishing going. For sure, for sure. But that was like before, well, no, the internet was in existence because that's how she met the guy and then the whole murder.

But then her mom was like had Munchausens by proxy and was like drugging her daughter and keeping her a wheelchair. Like, I will probably kill her ass too. I'm not going to lie. I honestly. Is this why the Tinder Swindler didn't get in trouble? Because technically these women gave him money? What? They gave him the money.

Like, credit cards and all that. And I watched that. The only one that I felt bad for was the friend that was like partying with him because I have friends that I go party with. Oh yeah. She was just like trying to be a good friend. Yeah, you're like hanging out and like, of course you think that this guy has the money because he pays every bill.

Like, why wouldn't he? But for the girlfriends, sis. I can't. That's why it's hard. It's hard. It's like how do you not see that? It's almost like you do what you said earlier. You just don't want to see it.

Yeah, of course. What is something, though, that you look back on. in your career that you have extreme empathy for? What's a situation where you were, maybe something that made you cry because it was so sad? I've cried a few times on the show. I think the one that meant the most to me personally,

we did episode, a sister's episode. So it wasn't like a romantic thing. It was two sisters that were from the same father that they believed, but two different mothers. And they couldn't get in contact with each other, but one of them finally did and reached out to her sister and was like, hey, I'm your sister. We have the same dad.

And the girl was like, like, I don't know anything about this. Like, I didn't know that my dad had this daughter. But of course, like, I want a sister. I want to have a relationship with you. She didn't have relationships with her other siblings that he also had outside of the relationship that he had with her mother. So it was like there was a lot of behind the scenes going on. It came down to we had to do a DNA test because basically there was like some

confusion. The other sister who came in who wrote to the main sister, her name was Marita, the girl that we were helping, so the hopeful, the sister that wrote into the other sister, I don't know if I'm making any fucking sense with what it is and I'm saying here. So the girl who wrote into the sister, she had a secret that she thought that the girl that we were helping was not actually his biological daughter because that's what the dad had told her. But then the dad told Maritha, the girl that we were helping, that the other daughter was not his biological child. So we told them both that they weren't. Exactly.

So we had to do a DNA test to see if they had any matching DNA. And I was totally against it. I was like, this is going to open a can of worms in your life. If for whatever reason one of you is not his biological child, like, what are we going to do? You know, we ended up doing the test and they ended up being sisters. Thank God. And I cried because I was just like. But why did the dad say otherwise?

He's just a piece of shit. Okay. He was just a piece of shit. And I was like, send him a picture of this fucking DNA test right fucking now. What's the sickest one you saw where you were like, you motherfucker, I'm going to beat your ass? I know exactly which one that was. That was a situation that we had where a guy had written in, he was like in his 20s. He met a girl when he was 16 on Xbox.

He was playing Xbox game and like met this girl that was around his age in like the chat. when you have like the headphones on. I don't, I'm not a gamer. It's easier to meet people than you think. I didn't know you could meet on Xbox. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. What are you doing on Xbox? You're on Xbox lot. Wait, hold on I didn't know you could meet people on Xbox. I have a whole other life over there. Please don't. Yes.

Please don't come into that. Yeah. Don't intrude. Don't worry about that. I only play like the Sims where I have 20 different lives on there. Okay. So I got a whole separate family in life there. Yeah.

Of course. Interesting. His wife from there is pregnant also. Yeah. I know all. I'm going to have a lot of information. Daddy will be home soon, Sasquash 86. I can't.

So he meets his girl on Xbox. He's talking to her. They talked for years. Like, she made him break up with his girlfriend that he actually had in real life. And, like, there was a whole bunch of drama. Lo and behold, the young girl that he met was actually a 40-something-year-old woman

who was talking to a 15, 16-year-old boy. Oh, God. And using photos of her daughter, who was 18, naked photos, sending them to him. naked photos of her own daughter. Naked photos. She would go into her daughter's room when her daughter was sleeping and take the photos that her daughter was sending to her boyfriend at the time, send them to her phone and send them to these young guys on the internet on Xbox. Oh my God.

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I think only if her daughter would have pressed charges and she didn't. But her daughter came on the show and talked about the situation. It was bawling and, like, explaining the whole thing. And she's like, my mom and I have come such a long way. And we've, like, I was like, how to, I was like, I'm sorry that your mom is a fucking weirdo. Like, that is so weird. And now she's like, the woman is, I think she's in her 60s or something. And, like, came.

I was like, I was shocked that she even came on the show. Because she probably wanted to be famous. That's the thing. What's so crazy is, like, you almost will put aside. how psycho you are to just be on the show to get recognition. That's the craziest thing to me. She kept on, and maybe you're right, I think she really just wanted to meet Neve because she kept on addressing,

she kept addressing both of us and she would be like, you know, Cammy, I'm like, this isn't a motherfucking talk show. I want you to go to jail. Did you say that to her? Yes. They cut it out, though. Oh, they cut stuff out. Half the shit that I say gets cut out.

Do you go back and watch the episodes after they're edited and produce? I do. Yeah. Do you do it because you want to do it from a standpoint of how can I improve? Or do you do it just because you want to see how they edit it? I do it to take notes and I send them. I have a really great relationship with our production team. So there are times like when we talk about all kinds of different things on the show.

So whether it's like trauma or like queer issues, like I want to make sure that we're approaching every topic the best way that we can and like being informed and educated and not like ignorant and sounding dumb. So I'll watch and I'll give notes and be like there was a time. when we mention this or like we explain this further, can you add that somewhere? And they do it all the time. So that's the reason why I watch it. But I never cut things. It is very rare that I regret anything that comes out of my mouth. So I don't ever like go back. I feel the same way about that. Yeah. I don't regret. I feel the same way that you feel. But I feel weird saying that. Why? I don't know. What's your sign? Gemini. Oh. What's your Scorpio? You said that really. Yeah. I don't regret anything that comes out of my not either. You shouldn't.

I mean, unless it's to Michael and he gets sad. Nah, I don't really. I honestly can't think of something that, listen. Like, I'm not saying all my opinions are right.

I'm just saying, I said it. I said it because I meant it in the moment. Yeah, I mean, well, that is, I think that is the great way to say.

It's like, I said it because I meant it in the moment. You can always kind of bad, okay, maybe I misspoke or maybe that's how I felt in that moment. People should give people more leeway with that kind of stuff,

especially for people that are doing things publicly on television, right? Right. And there are times when we'll meet, like, I think just this last episode that we did, it hasn't come out yet, obviously, we just recorded it, but I met

the catfish, and I told her, like, I'm sorry, just so you know, I said this, this, and this about you. I meant it when I said it, but now I feel differently, but I'll tell him, I said you were a piece of shit, but now I see you're not. Sorry. What's the split? Like, I hope this is not sexist, but what's a split, men and women catfishing? Like, who, is it,

women catfishing more, or more men? Wow, I really don't, No. I feel like it's women. Okay, it's women. And what is the main intention? Is it like I just want connection? Someone to talk to me. Someone to pay attention. Is it like I'm looking for money? I can understand the companionship thing. If you're really lonely and you're a woman and you're like you said there was a woman who's 46, you're a lonely person. Don't encourage this though. I don't know if you should encourage this.

If you're really willing to talk to. You should start catfishing. If you're really lonely, you can ruin someone's life. I mean, I honestly think like I feel like I would be a good catfisher because You could get real creative, like a creative. Like, imagine the creativity that could go into it. But that's like a whole life that you have to lead. That's so exhausting. I don't think I could do it. But I found a lot of people that we meet that have been cappishing for a while say,

I tried dating apps, I put my pictures out there. I got no bites. Nobody wanted to fucking talk to me. I go out all the time. Every weekend, nobody talks to me. I approach people. They reject me. It's like this constant rejection that kind of leads people.

And then eventually they're like, and then one day I just decided like, what would happen if I just made this picture? Me. And I'm still me. Like, I'm still communicating as myself. I'm still like same personality. And that's why when they meet the person that they've been talking to in real life, they're like, but it's still me. Even though like, it's hard. If you've been talking to somebody for two years with one photo in mind, you're like, this is the person that I'm talking to.

How often do they meet the person? They're like, you know what? I don't like that you share that photo, but I like you. It happens a lot. Oh, yeah, it happens a lot. I imagine it happens, right? Yeah. Some people are like, I don't really care.

Because we'll always ask before we end up, like, doing the whole thing. We'll be like, what is your worst case scenario? Usually, like, for guys, they're like, if it's a guy. For straight guys, they're like, if it's a guy, that's my worst. And, you know, most girls are just like, you know, if, honestly, a lot, mostly everyone is kind of like, I just don't like lies. But then you meet the person in person and you're like, oh, this person's not so bad. and like we do have a deep emotional connection. So most people after they've met on the show will carry on like at least communication

to see where it can go. And some people can't get past the lies and some people can. I do feel like I catfished my husband. Like I do feel like I catfished you. What do you mean? I just feel like he fell in love with me when I was like made up. And now at home in Austin it's like it's like golem. That's called love, baby.

Yeah. I feel like there's a little bit of catfishing. Listen, I fell in love with Gollum. The first time he saw that, he was like, yes. I just feel like there's a little catfishy vibe. Well, we're all cat. Okay, let's talk to a degree. I think we're all little catfish.

That's what I'm just going to ask you, what is a catfish light? Because I have a guy friend. Light? Yeah, like. What's a kitten fish? What's a catfish light? Is that a catfish light? Yeah, kitten fishing is catfish light.

Kid and fishing is like filters and, you know, but like to an extent. Because there are some filters that I'll see people use. So I'm like, oh, that's so cute. They look so cute there. And then I'll try it on my face. And I'm like, bitch, you, this is not, this should not even be on the internet. Like, it completely changes the face. So what is kitten fishing?

Like, my friend, he goes on dates all the time. He meets girls on Tinder or whatever it is. And he'll go out to lunch and be like, oh, my God, she looks like completely different than she did. Yeah. Honestly, I think a lot of cishead men are stupid. because a lot of y'all will look at a picture of a girl and be like, yeah, this is her makeup free.

She's so beautiful. And then you'll show it to your girlfriend and they'll be like, that's the face app. Every time. Like, that's the face app. They're so clueless. They're so clueless. They'll show me photos. I'm like,

yeah. Yeah, she's a natural blonde. Let me ask you this. I know, they're so dumb. I'll look at her big natural tits. I'm like, the doctor's tagged. You are the foremost authority in this now. And now we finally got the person on the show to ask.

Okay, how do you stand on this? Do you think a highly filtered, edited photo on a dating app is best way to present? Or do you want to go more raw? Like, do you want to show up to the dating and be like, I am presenting way better in person than on the app? Or do you want to be like, okay, I'm going to set the app strong? I think medium. I think you need a good mix. Like, I am on a dating app for the first time in my entire life.

I just got on like a week ago. And I did like a good mix. What dating up is this? Everybody's going to rush to it. Raya, of course. Right. Oh, it's a premium one. Where I'm safe.

Where I'm safe. Let's see if you bozos listening can get on that. Exactly. I'm just kidding. Everybody get on. See if you can get the membership. Yeah. But I have like a good mix of like my Instagram photos and then I use like one like super raw photo that I sent to my dad from like my sports illustrated shoot.

But I was like, oh, like if this is good for my dad, this will be good for my future husband on Raya. But what I have noticed from my short stint on this app, black and white photos should be abolished from dating apps. I think a black and white photo makes anyone look endearing and like incredible. And then I look at the other photos and I'm like, this is not. Other things that should be abolished. Let me give you a list. Number one, we do not want to see your abs in a dimly lit bathroom dealer. Oh.

Where you can clearly tell that you've used shadows to your advantage. And it looks like two try hard guys. What about the guys holding the fish? What about the fish guys? The fish guys are fucking. The worst. There was actually, oh, I don't even want to put out who he was, but he's a celebrity on Raya that I came across the other day. Who was holding a dead, like, turkey or like a, I don't know, some large, tallened animal. Not what I want in my vagina. In his hand. And I was like, who is this? Who is this attracting? Like, I don't want to see that.

There's a community. There's a little, it's a little too obvious when you do, like, one of my friends says this. when you do a picture of you with like a little kid. It's like, oh, you got Mr. Manipulative. Like, we get you. All my guy friends out there, listen, if I see one of you motherfuckers with my daughter on one of the apps, I'm showing up at your house. There is one.

I know, and I bet he's listening to this. I'm going to show it up there. They put like uncle something, proud uncle in their bio. I'm crashing the date and being like, yo, this guy doesn't have any kids. He's not good. He's not good with kids.

Or what about the dog? The dog's, there's a lot of dogs on there. There's a lot. That's called using. The dog's fine. Yeah. It's a little use. of the dog. I agree. I agree. I agree. I think you're using it to like, like, does a dog really want this? Like, how does the dog feel about having a mother, you know, a stepmom? Yeah. I would be so, I would have

no clue what to do. My little sister met this guy and she, they did a whole episode on this, but she went, she like met him out and he like talked to her for an hour and they exchanged numbers. And the next day, he texts her and she didn't respond right away, which like, who does? Yeah. And he like kind of like flipped out that she didn't respond right away which is like red flag yeah you're going to flip out like goodbye like I don't respond to him after like 20 years of marriage like I don't I don't pick the phone up sometimes I'll like won't seem for a day I'm like hey it's an emergency who are you it's an emergency our kids in the eat off and like turn my location services off and like like make him sweat anyways yes so so he texts her a website and she clicks it and it's 20 of his

Red flags. We have a whole episode coming on this. I just have to tell. This is, Camie is like the perfect person. The episode's coming. We're going to get on a huge thing. Anyways,

he built a domain with a list of his red flags that he sends to women that are his red flags. And it's amazing. It's a preemptive website with his couple headshots of himself. It's the worst thing I've ever seen. He says how can't be over 120. Not going to work. Oh, wait. Excuse me.

Can I needs to go do an expose on the sky with Cappish. I'm going to send you the website. We're going to send you. Can't be over 120. 20 pounds. Can't be over six feet, but can't be under 5'2. Since he's got some parameters. Parents can't be divorced.

Yeah. Who the fuck is he? Can't have a dog. Ew. No, can't be a cat person. Anyways. Anyways, we have to send this to Cammy.

I despise this man. Why is West Elm Caleb being exploited and not this guy? This guy needs to be. She needs to exploit this. Anyways, I just had to tell Cammy because I mean she would like be freaking out about this. Oh my God. I need to see this immediately. I finally have the answer.

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forward slash skinny. So what are some red flags that someone is being catfish, like little ones, not like the obvious ones? I mean, the FaceTime thing is like... Huge. Huge. I think I like to say the first two weeks because I get people are busy and Neve is always like, that's very generous.

But I feel like two weeks is a good amount of time because like sometimes girls will be like, oh, I'm not made up. And like, not everybody gets in full glam every day. And like, you want to be your best self on the FaceTime. I get that. So the FaceTime is definitely one, changing phone numbers. a lot I think is weird. Like anytime they're doing that or honestly,

anybody with the Android red flagged me. Like, wow. That's going to be a red flag to me. Palm Trio. Green text coming through. Blackberries. The green text coming through is super weird to me.

Why? Oh my God. All my texts are green. What does that mean again? No. But you have an iPhone. No, she's all fucked up. She changed your number.

Oh, my God. You know what? She's one big red flag. Oh, my God. Okay. Okay. So you can't have an Android. I just feel like an android just sends the wrong message.

What about if you're taking a shirtless selfie with a dog next to you on an android? But let me ask you this. Electric chair. Electric chair. Do women ever like a shirtless photo? I think a shirtless photo is nice. I don't really go for like body though on guys, so I don't really care. I like a shirtless photo if it's candid.

I got a better question. Like you know what I'm talking. about because you've posted one. I got a better, I got a better. I'm married, though. I'm done. I'm done. You're done.

You're done. You're done. Maybe I'm not done. Maybe I'll get out there again. You never know. On the Xbox. Go for it. I don't have the energy or capacity.

Then in your idea, in your both of your worlds, ideally, what is the perfect male profile pick? Nothing. Honestly, I can't think of anything. Eliminate them. Yeah. A woman. Nothing.

Don't do anything. Don't smile. Don't be serious. Don't lift an eyebrow. No, nothing. Don't pop your collar. Take your profile down. What is the perfect? I think it's a white crisp shirt, kind of like the one you proposed to me in. Oh, don't make your, is it like collared? Collard shirt? Just like, yeah, like a collared shirt. Could be black too. No, you're, no. See, I can't imagine a guy in a solo photo in a white colored shirt. No, no, no. But like, it's like a candid photo of them in sunglasses for some reason. Cammy that Lauren's never been single during these time periods. So she has no idea what she's talking about.

She's literally just making it. I'm super fresh and I'm very judgmental. So me on this app, I'm just honestly, it feels like a game. Like I'm just like, no, no,

no. And I want to help the men on these apps because it's really sad. It's really, really sad. If you have a photo of like a cartoon as your main picture, you're fucking childish and I don't want to talk to you. What about a bit moji? No.

I said it on cabbage before. You can't trust a bit moji bitch. Like, no. I'm sorry. Moji is no moji. Do not do it. I think the best photo, honestly, what I found on these apps is I can tell the photos that guys have posted that look like they were taken by a woman, like their girlfriend or something.

Like there was one guy. I saw his picture and I was like, oh, he's fine. I look closely at the picture. There's a girl's legs over his lap. Like she's taking the photo. That's the worst. The ones that think that people don't notice that. Like what?

Of course I see that bitch on you. But I wonder, is that a power? move to take a picture with the girl or no? Are you like... I mean, I don't... I think that they just don't think about it. They're like, I look good in this picture. Like, a girl told me that I looked good.

And they're right. So, like, just have girls take your picture. Any photo. I've gotten... What if it was this? What if it was a photo that was of a guy and a girl, but the girl's face is cropped out with the blank space and it says your face here.

No. The creativity, I will give the creativity an eight. I was about to say an eight out of ten. An eight out of ten. overall execution Yeah It's leaning into the humor I do lean into humor

Like that's what I would lean into If I and if I was approached It would need to be something witty You know like if someone's texting me or DMing me It's got to be something that's sharp, witty, funny Yeah But also then I don't

Is he copying and pasting the same thing To a bunch of girls? Right, right Yeah I don't know It's a little crazy There was also a guy that popped up that was like, his bio was like, I love my wife. I'm just here to make friends

and meet nice people. Lauren wants to get Sierra No DeFerser Act. His name was Michael. Yeah, was that me? At Michael Vostick. Listen, I'm just out here. I'm trying to make some friends. You're trying to make friends.

I thought it was so weird. And their Instagram links are right there. So I click the Instagram link because I was like, there's no fucking way. This guy is like joking. All his pictures on the app were of him by himself. Click his Instagram. First picture is him kissing his wife.

Wait, that's kind of, that would be. funny if it wasn't true. Do you know what I mean? You know what I'm saying? That's the kind of thing that would get me if it wasn't true. So you got to do something that's funny and catchy like that. And a lie. But a lie. Do you know what I'm saying? You got a catfish him and rounding it out, rounding it out. You can come back any time to give us dating advice. Tell us all, tell us all about your podcast. You guys, her podcast is crushing it. Tell us about some guests you've had on. It's with your media. Definitely check it out. Go for it. Yes. Okay. So the podcast is called relationship. Yes, shit. We talk about everything relationships, the good, the bad, straight up shitty.

It's a relationship advice podcast, which I feel like I'm very, very good at giving relationship advice as far as taking my own advice. We'll see. But I've absolutely loved it. We've had some amazing guests on. We talk about everything from like sex with Shan Boudrum to interracial dating with Kayla Nicole. We've just really been trying to hit all of the nails when it comes to like relationship. So co-worker relationships. friendships, like anything you can think of we talk about on the show. And it's been awesome.

I fucking love it. Like, I love podcasting. I didn't think that I would. Well, you're really good at it. Good at it. 10 out of 10. Thank you. Your merch is launching.

Merch is launching soon. Okay. So can you tell us anything about that? When is this coming out? We'll turn it around the merch. We'll time it around the merch. So the merch is going to come out probably like in the next two weeks. Oh, yeah.

Pimp the merch. Yes. Pimp the fucking merch. So basically it's, all based around emotional support because we all need that. So I have like an adult sippy cup that literally says adult sippy cup on it. Then we have our emotional support sweatshirt, emotional support sweatpants because when you're going through it, like you're not changing your clothes. You're wearing the same shit every single day. And then an emotional support t-shirt. And then we have a

bunch of other stuff coming out later around because we talk about like zodiac signs on the podcast. My therapist is like the star of the podcast, even though she can't listen to it by, you know, whatever laws they have in the therapist world. So shout out to her. That's, that's what we're going for. Here's the move. If you're going to catfish someone and Cammy's going to catch you, put her merch on.

So when she finds you, and it says emotional support on the merch, she'll maybe be kinder on you. Yeah, maybe. I'll be like, oh, great. And by the way,

if anyone's listening and they have been catfished or they are a catfish, even better. If they're a catfish, open invite on the podcast. Like, tell me all about yourself on my latest Instagram post.

Tell me about how you catfished someone. I want to hear it. Honestly, there's a lot of people that I've met that I'm, like, friends with that are like, oh, yeah, I used to catfish people all the time. Because when you think about, like, aim chat rooms and stuff back in the day, who was being themselves on there? I used to be, like, 13 on there being, like, age, sex location. 21, Hollywood.

You weren't being yourself? Female. No. Wait, you were at Rogue spirit? Wait, where were you again? Don't worry about it. I have a rogue dog. Listen, I was a fantasy.

girl. I was Biju Baby 25. Maybe we talked and maybe we catfished each other. What were you again? Road Dog? No, I know. I like that. What were you? I was Metallic 66. I was in the Metallica but I couldn't get the the, uh. The 66 was like the devil but you couldn't get the last six.

What was that? No, I used to like this is a stupid story. I used to like the Pittsburgh Penguins of hockey team. Mario Lemieux was number 66. Didn't know that. Learning new things about you every day. Yeah. Don't worry about it. Don't worry about me. All right. Thank you so much for coming on. Pimp your self out. Where can we find you? Your Instagram,

everything. On all socials at Cammy Crawford, K-A-M-I-E. A lot of people like to leave the E-OF, but it's not for decoration. That's how I spell my name. And then, at relationship, at relationship on Instagram and at relationship pod on Twitter. So cute. Thank you for coming on. Thank you for having

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