The Bossticks - Celebrity Baby Sleep Trainer & Nursery Designer Talks All Things Baby With Jada Neoni

Episode Date: March 6, 2020

#252: Jada Neoni has worked with & designed nurseries for some of the top celebrities such as Gwyneth Paltrow and Courtney Cox. Jada also is an expert on everything babies. Think: sleep training, baby CPR, newborn style. and everything nursery. On this episode we discuss how Lauryn worked with Jada to curate Zaza's nursery, sleep tips, & everything newborns. If you're thinking of getting pregnant or you're a mom: this episode is for you! Be sure to stalk Zaza's nursery HERE Meet Jada on the blog HERE To connect with Jada click HERE To connect with Lauryn Evarts click HERE To connect with Michael Bosstick click HERE Read More on The Skinny Confidential HERE For Detailed Show Notes visit TSCPODCAST.COM To Call the Him & Her Hotline call: 1-833-SKINNYS (754-6697) This episode is brought to you by BIOSSANCE There is almost nothing better than renewing and taking care of your skin. Enter BIOSSANCE. We have discussed their products many times over the years and now we are even more excited to talk about their night serum. It is an extremely effective night serum that reduces the look of fine lines and wrinkles. It's so effective and can be used for all skin types. So check it out for yourself and use code LAURYN20 for 20% off at BIOSSANCE.COM This episode is brought to you by FOUR SIGMATIC We have been drinking this company's mushroom-infused elixirs and coffees for over a year now. When we need a break from coffee but still need that extra morning jolt and focus the Mushroom Coffee with Lion's Mane and Chaga is the way to go. Lauryn also drinks the Mushroom Matcha which is a green tea designed as a coffee alternative for those of you who want to cut back on caffeine without losing focus and cognitive boosts. This stuff doesn't actually taste like mushrooms, it's delicious. All of these blends have a ton of nutrients and amino acids to give you balanced energy without the jitters. To try FOUR SIGMATIC products go to foursigmatic.com/skinny and use promo code SKINNY for 15% off all products. This episode is brought to you by Joovv. Experience the benefits of red light therapy by one of the best in the business; JOOVV! To experience the Joovv and receive a free gift with purchase go to joovv.com/skinny Produced by Dear Media

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Grab some night serum and let me know what you guys think. All right, let's get back into the show. She's a lifestyle blogger extraordinaire. Fantastic. And he's a serial entrepreneur. A very smart cookie. And now Lauren Everts and Michael Bostic are bringing you alone for the ride. Get ready for some major realness. Welcome to the skinny confidential, him and her. So I think that having, again, going back to knowing what works for you because every baby is so different. You know, even with you guys, you have like three bottles in your nursery or three pacifies because you don't know what she's going to take when she comes, you know.

So I think it's just understanding what works for your baby and what works for you as a family, but also having a strong foundation. Hello, hello, hello. Happy Friday and welcome back to the skinny confidential him and her podcast. Michael Bostick's hairline is looking hot today. what's going on with your hair? I mean, is there a day that it doesn't? No, today it's looking really good. So I'm just looking extra good?

Yeah, he is. Well, here's the comment's going to come out. Arrogate, it's ego. Fuck off. Just let me have this, guys. All right, he has his hair. Hi, guys, what's up? I'm Lauren Everett's from the skinny confidential blog brand and podcast.

And across me is my hot, sexy, full head of hair husband. What's going on with you? I think you're into me today. I had a lot of coffee. Well, I'm into you because I haven't been able to touch you for six weeks. Yeah, people don't really talk about after you give, I didn't, nobody told me along, nobody, there's no book written that says after you have a baby, you can't have intercourse for six weeks.

You can get other things. You know, the baby's great, but if I would have known that was part of the deal. Really? I don't know. Taylor doesn't want a baby now. Taylor's like, no thanks. So today on the podcast, we have Jada Naoni. She is a sleep expert, baby expert, and celebrity nursery designer.

I met Jada actually through Instagram. She has done so many celebrities nurseries, and she works with them to just curate beautiful spaces. And together, we did Zaza's nursery. I just put up a post on the nursery reveal. I wanted a very flamboyant space for the baby, but also something that was super calm. And I feel like we achieved that. Don't you think, Michael? It's very calm in her room.

Yeah, it's nice. peaceful. It's one of my favorite places in the house now. I caught you in the chair. Like, I don't know what you were doing. Like trying to nurse her or something. We don't worry about what we're doing in there. Yeah, what was going on? Honestly, I just like, you know, baby or not, one, one pro tip here. I think everybody should get one of those nursing chairs. Yeah, they're amazing. Why, I mean, why would you not just put a nursing chair in your living room? I don't know. That's way better than a lazy boy. That is true. The, the nursing chair we have is so comfortable. And I might put that in my office as a desk chair. Yeah, a baby's room just has really good energy. On the blog post, I talk about everything from the nightlight she has to the

diffuser to the white noise machine. She has crystals in there. I even asked Michael's mom for some memorabilia of when he was a baby. So we have Michael's rattle in there. We really personalized the room. Like we even did things like my nephew, Dax, he did this pink fingerprint painting. And so I took it and had it framed and then on it put a little love note from Michael for her room. we even we have a little cartoon a playboy cartoon that's so funny on her wall and then we ended up blowing up and this is all on the blog like I said blowing up a huge portrait of my birth announcement at the Beverly Hills Hotel which was totally inspired by Faye Dunaway who's a total icon and Framebridge framed this photo for us and it's like a thick gold vintagey frame so the whole reveal

of the nursery is up on the skinny confidential like I said it's definitely a visual thing so if you pull that up while you're listening to the podcast, that might help. But this podcast is full of all these baby tips, nursery tips, everything you need to know if you're pregnant, expecting, going to possibly get pregnant is in this episode. We really picked Jada's brain. So with that, let's welcome Jada to the podcast. Like I said, she's a sleep expert, baby expert, and a celebrity nursery designer. This is the skinny confidential, him and her. We have got my nursery design. designer, Jada in studio. She's an expert sleep trainer. And we're going to go all over with this conversation. I want to talk about mom shaming, which is real in 2020, pregnancy shaming.

We're going to talk about nursery design and then sleep training. But first, I want you to introduce yourself, your background, how you got into what you do, because it is such a niche. Thank you. My name is Jada, Jada Niani. And I've actually been doing nurseries for about 15 years. I was originally a fashion stylist. And I was working. with Courtney Cox. And, you know, Courtney Cox and Judith Paltrow, they were kind of like the first celebrity mom craze that happened. I mean, Madonna, but, you know, she's kind of untouchable. So when Gwendolyn Paltrow and Courtney Cox became pregnant, it was like the biggest thing. And so I started like helping Courtney pick out different brands and what to do for a baby. And then it actually

just snowball. Like, I just became the person that people in Hollywood will call when they were pregnant. You know, you know, one nursery advice or what to buy for their baby. So what's the, what's the thing that you see with all the celebrities, with nurseries. Like, are they really specific about what crib they have? Are they really specific about how the room looks? Like, what's the similar? The similarity is when celebrities come to me, they know nothing. Like, what's the pamper? How many times are they changed a baby? It's always funny to me when you meet a mom and she is just clueless. So I'll say that's the first thing that's always... So I'm kind of like a celebrity then, because I'm pretty fucking clueless myself.

Exactly. You guys definitely are. But I would say, you know, some of them want very extravagant nurseries to keep up with the celebrity lifestyle. And then some of them are just very very, very, very, just down to earth and just want to keep it simple and clean. So I would say what's similar is they're clueless and the second is that most of them want to go extravagant. And who's your favorite celebrity nursery that you've done and what was her aesthetic? Wow. It's so funny. It's going to probably sound so cliche. But actually it's doing your nursery has been actually my favorite because I remember when I first reached out to you when you said, sure, we'll work together. And then I told my friend, I'm like, but she's so pink. Like that's

not my style. But then work with you, it's like, but she's so extravagant. again. She's so gorgeous. So I would say yours is because it took me out of my comfort zone and I was able to kind of rule you in out of your comfort zone as well. We are actually going just like for anyone like that's wondering, we're not going as pink as you would think. Exactly. You've moved me out of my comfort zone to more neutrals. We're trying to do a lot of black. Right. We're doing a lot of not beige. I want to say like nude. Nude. Yeah. And we're the nursery I would say is it's there is pink in it, but it's not like skinny skinny confidential pin. It's not like that whoa, vibrant. But you have to remember that when we first started

speaking, the first picture she sent me was a tall pink flamingo with feathers. And I was like, oh my goodness, this is so not my style. But we've been able to come back down. So I would say your nurse, she's definitely been my favorite just because it's so glamorous. The Crip is something that I've never, you know, never worked with before. And then I would say the second will be Sierra. Her nursery nursery was one of my favorites as well, because it was all white. Tell us about her nursery. Her nursery for her son future was all white. very plush, very upper east side, New York, gorgeous round crib. And we just really, really wanted to be very glamorous because, you know, she's glamorous. So it was mirrored dressers, mirror change

a table, very plush carpeting, and everything was all white. And I loved it. What goes into designing a nursery? Like, what, how do you, how do you, how would you tell someone that's maybe listening in like Florida, like where to even start if they're not used to this mom world? I would say the first thing. I always do is come up with a theme. You know, I think finding a theme, And I don't mean like clowns or flamingos. I just mean, where are you in your life? You know, a lot of times people say, well, I don't want to do a nursery because this is an forever home.

And I always say that's not how you should think. Whether you live in an apartment, a basement, a one-room apartment, you should always do a nursery. And I say, the theme is what you love you. You really want it neuter tones mixed with your world, which is the famous in the fabulous wallpaper. So we started from there with yours. So I think it's about finding a theme and what you want to carry on.

It's just going to be about news or pastels or creams or what's really trending. So as you've gotten into nursery design, you started to really take an interest in sleep training. Yes. And I've talked to a lot of my friends that have kids. I had no idea this was such a big thing. Yes, it is. It is. Are we ever going to sleep again? No. Lauren thinks that you guys are going to have this miracle baby that's going to sleep and going to be perfect. For nine and a half hours? I mean, you will sleep again. The most important thing is is teaching her smart sleeping patterns from the beginning. And how do you do that?

Like, walk us through from, I get the baby. You don't just pick it up and put it down? I go to the hospital. I pick the baby up. I bring the baby home. She's all wrapped up in her swaddle. And then, well, first, when you first bring the baby home, there's no such thing as sleep training because a baby is going to be just on her own schedule.

And newborns sleep most of the day and are up most of the night, especially. sleep for in the first early weeks. They're still trying to get used to this whole being outside and the world thing. So for the first two weeks, there's really no sleeping from moms because if you're nursing, then they're up maybe an hour to every two hours to nurse. If bottle fed babies are the same thing in the beginning because their little stomachs can only hope it's so much. So newborn sleep on the average of like 16 to 18 hours for the first few weeks, and that's during the day. If this bitch doesn't get six hours of sleep, I'm a devil. Or you're about to be a devil because That's not going to happen.

Newborn sleep patterns kind of sound like our producer Taylor's sleep patterns. They're sleeping the day, be up all night. Exactly, right? And it's so funny because a lot of people say, well, I don't sleep at night anyway so I can handle it. But it's a whole different type of exhaustion when a newborn keeps you up all night. Quick break so I can tell you about pregnancy brain. It is real. And you know what else is real baby brain?

Michael has it. Michael has it right now. No, no, no. I'm clear as a whistle, Lauren. And that is because, as always, I am constantly taking four-sigmatic focus shots and four-sigmatic coffee. Ground coffee mushroom mix, to be exact. Yeah, the coffee, the mushroom mix, it's ground mushroom coffee with Lionsmane in it, is

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So at two weeks, then what do you start to do? Like what are some tips and tricks that the audience can take if they have a newborn that's two weeks old? Like, when can you start training them? Well, sorry, Lauren. It doesn't start at two weeks. It's more like 16 weeks is when you should start sleep training about maybe. I say about four months.

What's going on? I don't know anything about babies, Michael. You think I'm being funny. I don't know anything about babies. You think you're going to get a trained baby in two weeks? You are out to lunch, my friend. I thought the baby is going to be trained in two days. No, not at all.

And about four. And a thing that you can do now is what I tell moms about three to four weeks is just make sure they're awake hours or maybe good. Because some babies like to sleep so much during the day that they lose weight. because they're not getting the calories during the day. So I say about maybe a month or a month and a half, just try to keep stretch their wait times to make sure they get the calories in, the nursing or the bottle.

And I know that they're so amazing. It's a new smell, new baby. Just don't get them so used to being rocked to sleep. Because a lot of bad sleep habits are learned very early on. A lot of moms wear the baby and they carry it, which is great. Skin to skin is amazing. But I would say to just limit to it.

Don't go overboard with it because some babies get so used that you can only put them to sleep if you're in the sleep carrier or they can only go to sleep if you rock them to sleep. And sometimes you have a mom that's baby's nine months old and won't go to sleep unless they're rocked. We plan on using the snoo. What are your thoughts on that? The snoo is amazing.

The snoo is definitely really good because it's giving you the gentle rock motion. And a lot of moms say that their sleep patterns became better. I mean, will the baby still wake up for feeding? Absolutely. So it's not a magic cure for overnight. Your baby still will wake up, you know, every hour to two hours to feed in the beginning. So when can you start to really implement sleep? training? Like a six weeks? I say it four weeks. At four months, yes. Okay. So how do you do that?

Sleep training is picking what and the bad thing about sleep training. They get a bad rap from mom. I say, well, I don't want my baby to cry it out. And I just say it's not about crying it out, but everything you do with your baby, they're going to cry. Pottie training, they're going to cry. Learning to solace, they're going to cry. Taking the bottle, they're going to cry. Like, her face, there's a lot of crying involved. So I would say in about four months, you have to decide what works for you. There's so many different methods. Some of the methods is at four months, you put your baby in the room. at night after it's been fed all day and you close the door and you leave.

And what time is this? I think a four-month-old should definitely go to bed between 6 p.m. and 7. That's normally when they start giving you sleep clues. And the number one trick for sleep training is having a good day schedule. Sleep training is very, very limited amount of effort at night. Most of sleep training comes and making sure that your baby A has great nap schedule. You know, and you're the queen of scheduling. So I think this is where you'll be really good with making sure the baby runs a tight schedule

as far as when they're feeding, when their activity is, when they're play time. Because really sleep training is just eat, play, poop, and sleep. Let me ask you this. Say you're a single mom. You don't have time for all this. And you just kind of throw it in the air and go with the flow. What kind of baby? What's going to happen with that?

Then you're going to have a baby that's not on a schedule. That's probably, you know, now granted, some kids do come out as a good sleeper. Like some kids just come out the wound as a good sleeper. Giving that energy to the baby. Right, right. But, you know, some kids do that. But, you know, as a single mom, which there are a lot of single moms, you know, the thing is just trying to keep your baby on a schedule. Even if it's a schedule where at daycare or at home, a good nap schedule, making sure your baby gets in enough calories because a lot of babies aren't getting as many feedings in the day because the mom says, well, then that means that she's up at night looking for those ounces and those calories that she didn't get.

If there's someone at home that's listening that's having a lot of problems with their baby sleeping and their babies, like, four to eight months. Okay. What are some things that they can do? do. I would say the first thing is sit down and right out of schedule. And that schedule needs to start from the time the baby wakes up. Like, give me an example of a schedule. So let's just say your baby wakes up at seven. Seven o'clock, you want to wake them up. You want to, well, let them wake up. Then you want to change them, give them their first. And if your babies, let's just say six or seven months old, your baby should be getting about six ounces. First bottle, first in the week

the morning, then you have an activity for about 45 minutes. Then they're back down. Like their first stretch of awake time shouldn't be more than an hour and 45 minutes. So then you put them down, you wake them up in an hour 45, you feed them again, you do an activity, this could be outside activity, or on the floor activity, then they go back down again for a nap. Then they have their second nap. And then after the second nap, you wake them up, you take them for another activity. Then you stretch the wake time a little bit longer because you're getting closer to the evening time. So now you just want to do a cat nap. So their third nap should be a cat nap, which should only be 45 minutes. This makes you want to be a baby again. This sounds nice. Sleep, activity, sleep,

Right. Don't forget the pooping. Don't forget the pooping. Eat and go to bed. Right. Six to six to six p.m. That's what I'm in. And then you do the cat nap. And then you is bedtime, pretty much. So you do dinner. Make sure they get into there. There's six or seven months. Again, they should be introduced to solids. You know, you always speak to your doctor to find out when you should do solids. They should do solids, a bottle, a bath, bubbles. I say bottle, bath and bubbles, a book. And then it's bedtime. And then you start a routine with their bedtime. So every night, have the same routine so your baby gets used to it. And if you follow that type of strict schedule, and every time you do the feeding, the activity, and the nap time, then by six or seven, your baby should be given sleep cues, and then it's time for bed. And, you know, you have most babies resisted in the beginning. So when it comes to sleep training, you put the baby down about six or seven. You leave out and let the baby put themselves to sleep. You know, if your baby's screaming or it's not really going down, you can go back in. But the purpose of sleep training is teaching a baby how to

sleep on it, go to sleep on its own and also how to sleep extended hours. So let's just say this baby's already been waking up for three times a night, which we will hope your babies won't do. But so the first time you go in, you put them down for bed. You don't have, they're going to scream and cry. You wait for about 30 minutes. You go back in. You let them know that everything is okay. Mommy's here. We love you. And then you leave back out. Then they go to sleep. And then a lot of times I suggest when you're first sleep training to give them a dream feed, because a lot of times I use the bottle for just as a crutch. So about 10 or 11, Michael, this will probably be your shift. You'll go and you'll give the baby a dream feed. That pretty much means you pretty much just give a

baby a bottle while they're still sleeping. I have a shift. Yes, you have a shift. And then that's it. And then the 2 a.m. and the 4 a.m., that's when the struggle comes. You know, your baby will probably wake up screaming. And you can choose what works for you. You and Lauren may feel like you want to do the cried out method, which means if you don't go back, when she'll leave the bedroom at 11, you don't go back in until 6. So the baby wakes up. They just have to scream it. Or you may, I like the gentle method where you kind of go in and reassure them that everything is okay. You know, here's the pacifier. If you're doing a pacifier, mommy's here, daddy's here, pat them on the back.

Get them calm, but not put them back to sleep. Get them calm. Put them back into the crib. And then the 4 a.m., if your baby wakes up and you don't go in at all. I don't think that Michael Bostic is going to be able to do the cry it out method. Right. You can't keep a straight face. I feel like that's the method that I had.

Right. Because I had to cry it out. Okay. So speaking of sleep, let's talk about. safe sleep practices. Let's get like really into it and get really micro on how your baby should be sleeping. Like like mattresses, pillows, bassinets, everything. Give us how a baby should be sleeping.

So correct. So like let me know if I'm wrong here. So I don't leave it in an unsecure area face down and then go off about my day. No. Okay. Okay. Good thing we cleared that up. Yes, we clear that up.

There's a lot of wackos out there that think that that would be our instinct. But of course, that's not my instinct. Of course, no. You guys are ready. You guys are ready. The safest way for your baby to sleep is in a crib with just a mattress and a very fiddick crib sheet. That's it. No pillows, no blankets, no sleeping aids, just the crib, the baby. And a swaddle, they're under six months. Over six months, they should be in a sleep sack. And that's it. That's the safest way to sleep. Okay. And just like, so we can kind of get into that. I posted a picture of a bassinet that was a piece of art that a friend's gave us. And people thought we were going to let the baby just sleep in the basinette unsupervised. So yeah. Let me ask you this. This is a good segue. So, you know, Lauren and I are obviously going to be new parents, new to the parenting thing. I have spent about zero percent of my time up until now thinking about ever like parenting anything, right? It just wasn't in my world.

And I think similar to her, like, you know, unlike a lot of women, she hasn't put a lot of thought into parents until now it's a real thing for us. You're dealing with a lot of parents. One thing that I've observed that's interesting, especially being somewhat public people, Lauren, much more public than me, is there are a lot, you know, as we've been talking, there's probably a lot of people that are nodding their head yes and agreeing and like really like liking what you're saying. There's probably some people that are nodding their head. No, I've never seen a space where people have stronger opinions than it comes to parents. But I want to talk about when basically, you know, healthy opinions and when advice is maybe asked for and then also like shaming, which there's some wacky people out there. And I don't care if some of these people are

listening, they're like, oh my God, this guy just called me a wacko. If you're sitting there wondering, am I a wacky person? You probably are. Right. I want to talk about this a little bit. Hot little break to talk about juve, specifically red light therapy. Have you guys tried it? I just did a blog post on it. It's live if you want to look more into it. But just to let you know, I got an epidural. And afterwards, I got the worst rash on my back. I think it was from the tape or the latex. We don't really know. But the thing that healed it and let me tell you, I tried everything, was the juve. I stood in front of Michael's huge-ass juve, butt-naked, and healed the thrash. And let's just be real here. Guys, you've heard me chirping about the juve for a long time.

We had the founders on here and talked all about the benefits of red light therapy. If you have not heard that episode, I definitely think you should go back and listen. If you don't believe us, believe them. This is single-handedly the most game-changing product that we've used the entire year. And you know, like Lauren, Lauren sometimes is somebody that takes a little while to listen to me and jump in. And obviously, listen, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. you were pregnant, didn't want to fully dive into the juve until you were done. But admit, now that you're using the juve every day, my big huge juve, your butt naked in front of it, admit, it's a game changer.

It is a game changer. Some of the benefits are enhanced sleep, reduced pain and inflammation and increased libido, but I'm telling you, this rash was so bad. And after standing in front of the juve three times, it made it exponentially better. Listen, you want better sleep, better skin, better sex life, better appetite, better energy. Do you want all that stuff? Shit, we should throw Taylor in front of it. it. I mean, if you're one of these people that just heard all of those benefits, you're like,

I don't want any of that, then I can't help you. But if you do want all those amazing benefits, the juve is for you because honestly, it does it all. I use it every single fucking day. So if you want to check it out, go to juve.com slash skinny and use code skinny to receive a free gift with purchase. I recommend checking out the one Michael has, which is the juve quad. It's a full body device. But also check out the one that I use, which is a handheld device. It's called the juve go. That's J-O-O-V-V-com slash skinny. Use code skinny to receive a free gift with your purchase guys telling you, get on board, fix your circadian rhythm, and enjoy all the benefits of red light therapy. All right. Let's get back to the show. And I think the first, if I can give you

the best parenting advice, it will be to find what works for you. Because once you know what works for you and your family, then your blinders will go up. From the time she's born, well, starting now properly, and so she's in college, you're always going to have someone that wants to give you their opinion that wants to push their opinion on you. It's so strange to me. Or it's going to criticize everything. That's just parenting. I call them the Instagram parents.

And especially for someone like Lauren, who is so public? She's probably going to get, oh, why did you use that bottle or that bottle isn't good? Or I try this pacifier. Why is she in the car seat like this? You have the Instagram patrols. You have the mommy patrols, the breastfeeding Nazis. You just have all of those on Instagram. And I think the number one thing that you could do is just find what works for your family.

Like she said, you may not be the one that can do the cry it out. Then you do the gentle method, which I love you go when you visit. is it, but there is some crime involved. So I think it's just really important to know what works for your family. As long as your doctor approves and your baby is safe, then you should just feel okay with doing that. But there's so much shaming your parents. You know what's so strange to me is like with you, like we have a relationship. So sometimes that will ask you advice. And that's like solicited advice. I'm actually asking for your expertise. But I don't get these people that want to give unsolicited advice to their parents. And I've said it on this show before.

Like I could care so little about any way, any way thinks, anybody thinks I'd parent this kid. Like, if there is, if there was less than 1% of care I could give, you'll be at 1%. That would be, I get like zero. I'm like, I really, like, all of the things I care about, I care so little about how people think I'm going to parent this kid. Because it's just, it's not their kid. It's not the same. You don't know what's going on in household.

And at the same time, like, I would never have the audacity to tell somebody else out of parent their kids. I wouldn't even like, it just seems so strange and foreign to me to jump into someone's personal life. Yeah, I would never just give a mom unsolicited advice. I mean, like, my whole platform is like I'm sharing my journey, but like take what you love and leave what you don't. And I never want to pressure anyone to do anything. So it feels like if I saw somebody like sitting in a restaurant and I disagreed with what they ordered. Right. Exactly.

And I just walked the, I just walked the fuck over there and was like, hey, you shouldn't be ordering that? Like, put that. You got those enchiladas with extra sour cream. And I never, could you imagine if someone filmed me and I just walked up, a random person in a restaurant and did something like that. Do you imagine like the hate I would get? Exactly. Hey, why are you wearing that sweater? What is up in that fucking sweater? And it doesn't stop. You know, I was talking. I was talking. to a friend the other day that she posted that she was going to start transitioning her baby to a bottle. And she got so many comments and DMs that said, you're so wrong, you should breastfeed until the baby's won.

How could you make a selfish decision? So it doesn't stop. It's just what your baby's going to sleep in. It just goes on and on and on. And sadly, we as women have to deal with that a lot. And that's why you just have to really know, I can't stress enough what works for you because you just have to be prepared for all the. And some people will say, I hope you don't take this the wrong way.

I'm only trying to help, but you shouldn't do this with your baby. Let me say this. You know what would be a great TV show if us three did? We would find the people that made these comments. Oh, yes. We'd find out where they live. We'd show up with the hidden camera. We'd knock on their door and just walk in and start telling them how they should live.

Let me see your perfection. Exactly. Let me see your perfection. I love that. It's very strange. It's just a strange thing to me. I just never grew up in a way where I would ever put, interject my opinion, my way of life onto somebody else.

I respect how anybody wants to live their life, do their thing. As long as you're not putting anyone in danger. But I think that's, I don't know if it's just specific to motherhood and parenthood. Because I feel like people just get comments for, I mean, you guys don't get comments on your marriage and that type of stuff as well. Sure, I mean, we get comments all the time about a lot of things. But I've never seen it so strong as when it comes to parenting. That's true. And I'm sure, like, in your life, you're dealing with a lot of high profile people.

And I feel like they get so many comments. Right. And it makes them scared. That makes them not want to share certain parts because they don't want to. I don't know if you guys remember one year, Kim Kardashian. I think she showed a picture of one of her babies in the car seat. and I think the car was actually stopped or something. And she got so many comments.

People saying, what, you took a picture of the kid? No, the baby should be turned the other way or the baby should be this way. And I mean, even Kate and, you know, enrolled the royal family when she bought her baby home, completely different country, completely different car seat rules. People went so crazy. Like, she doesn't have her baby the right way in the car seat. And everyone's like, uh, for England, she does. You know, so people are just so quick to give feedback of what they think you should do with your baby.

What works for that? People used to throw their kids in like a sack in a covered wagon and just like head across the planes. Like they were safer than we've ever been. I mean, when I was a kid, we rode in a car with like no seatbells in the back seat. Yeah, I remember it was fine. It was funny. You put it all the three kids in the back and you slide around the back seat. And you would pray you hit a bump and you would jump up and hit the top of the car.

That's like the good life. This may sound ignorant, but what are some, some things that you notice that people are super opinionated on? For instance, like I, you just said like the pacifier. Like, why is the pacifier so fucking controversial? Because some moms feel like that a. it will ruin your baby's teeth or it will make your baby not want the breast. There are so many reasons why people want this. And I mean, God forbid, if you go to Google, you'll find enough information to support everyone's

thinking because that's just what Google does. I think the number one thing that a lot of moms deal with is, A, the breastfeeding thing. You know, a lot of moms get shamed if they just don't want to do the breastfeeding. That's the biggest one that I've heard from other feedback from other moms, that breastfeeding shame is really hard. And then also the sleep training. You know, some moms that mention I'm sleep training. And the first thing everyone says, I could never let my baby cry it out.

You know, it's like, okay, well, that's not what sleep training is letting your baby cry it out, you know. So I think that if more people took time to educate themselves on things, you know, even though this method work for your baby, if you take more time to learn other efforts, you wouldn't be so quick to make comments that actually don't make sense. This sounds like dieting. Okay. There's five million ways to lose weight in five million different diets. Yes. And some work for some people and some don't work for some people. I think you have to be your own guru and find your own like mom diet, whatever that is for it to be effective. I don't think it's a one size fits all. And I think that I hope that I can be a blogger or an influencer that takes a

stance on this mom shaming thing. I had no idea that this even existed until I got pregnant. I didn't even know it was a thing. Really, I had heard the word mom shing. This is, why aren't we like supporting each other and lifting each other up. I'm new to this whole mom world. I'm doing my best. I'm giving it my all. I'm doing my research. Am I going to do everything fucking perfect?

No, I'm not, but I'm going to learn and adjust along the way. And like, I just think like people being malicious and having these really mean comments is not doing anyone any favors. In fact,

I think it's hurting everyone. And I'm going to get to the root of it again. How much time do these people have on their hands? Exactly. What's doing? Like you're sitting around, patrolling around what other people are doing? Because let me say this.

one more thing. All these comments outside of making them look bitter and jealous and stupid or whatever they want to look like, it doesn't impact Lauren and I at all. We just kind of look at it and say, okay, and we just keep doing our thing. Like, it's not going to change the way we behave or act or parent. So it's just, it makes no point. It's great that you have to have a good foundation as well because even with working with some of the moms, I'm working for now with sleep training, they're afraid to even post their sleep training because they don't want to get the negative feedback. So I think that having, again, going back to knowing what works for you because every baby is so different. Even with you guys, you have like three bottles in your nursery or three pacifies because you don't know what she's going to take when she comes, you know. So I think it's just understanding what works for your baby and what works for you as a family, but also having a strong foundation.

You know, being strong enough to understand that, okay, if I post this picture, I could get a good, a lot of comments and B, a lot of negative comments too. But I do think that we are in a time where we're starting to see more moms come together. You know, now they have a hashtag that fed is best because for a long time it was breast is best, breast is best. Breast is best. Breast is best. But now a lot of places are now saying fed is best. And according to breastfeeding is the best. We will say that.

But that doesn't work for every mom. It's not healthy. It's not possible sometimes for every mom to do it. So I love the fact that now we see that fed is best. I'm trying not to have any expectation when it comes to breastfeeding. I'm trying just to go into it and just see how I feel. It's like people are asking me what I'm going to do. It's like asking me, I've never, never done it.

So I don't know. I have to experience. myself. I'm a very visual person. So can you sort of walk me, this is probably selfish, walk me through of what I'm in for and how you begin to breastfeed if you do breastfeed. Like, is it an immediate connection? Like, how does it work once your baby's here? And I think, first I'm going to say that I think it's amazing that you're even having a conversation that it may work for me and it may not work for me. I think that it's amazing that you're taking that pressure off yourself because so many moms I've seen literally in tears. But isn't that the most

logical perspective. I mean, listen, I'm not a woman. But like, like Lauren said, she doesn't know if it's going to work or not work. So I feel like people like overcommitting herself before you know if it's even possible. Well, I feel like because there's so many things that society tells you that you have to breastfeed, that you have the breastfeed. So a lot of moms just getting into their head that they have to do it. And like I said, yes, breast is best, but it doesn't work for everyone. So I think for you, normally what happens, once you deliver your baby, a lot of times most hospitals will put the baby on your chest right away. And some babies will have a perfect latch right away. And some babies will do a little bit more help.

You know, a lot of things with breastfeeding, it may not be instant. It may take, you know, a couple tries to get it started. But knowing that you guys have a great doula, you know, a great hospital staff will help you. So a lot of times breastfeeding may not come immediately, but you'll get it going. And it's also something that people don't talk about how painful it is. It's like one woman described it to me before I became a mom. She's like, it's a little snapping turtle that just snaps onto your breast and refuses to let go. And that's really the truth.

That's really what it feels. like Taylor you got to have Connor pull that clip when Lauren's face when she just said it's snapping turtle the reaction was hilarious. A snapping turtle is like a little snapping turtle that just snaps until your breath they won't like that. It's kind of like me just with not as much pressure. I don't like when Michael I have this weird tick. I don't like when Michael touches my boob when I'm on my back. So like I'm there's like a sensitive. I don't know if it's something that happened to me. I don't know if it has to do with my boob job. I just don't like when he touches my boobs when I'm on my back. Like I have to be like on my side. Okay. When you breastfeed,

you have to just make sure you're sitting up in your glider. Okay, but a snapping turtle, like, oh. You have to think it's like the little mouth. It's like a little suction cup. Do they have, they don't have little teeth? They don't have teeth. They're just a little suction cup that's very hungry and that's trying to just suck all the milk out. And here's another question for you that's really candid.

What do your tits look like after you're done breastfeeding if you do breastfeed? Are they looking different? Is your nipple looking bigger? Like, what's the deal? Well, I think you should understand that your body in itself changes with having a baby. You know, some women never go back to their pre-baby body. So I think that that's one thing that you have to kind of understand to. But you don't want it to go back.

This is a new phase for you, a new sexy for Michael Nelves, a mom, mom boobs, mom body. But it's still, your boobs sometimes will drop. You know, I can't really speak on someone that's had a boob drop because we don't know. I don't know. I've never had that luxury. But I know that your boobs do drop some. But it's not, you know, it's not a big shift. Your nipples do become extremely hit because now they're nipples for milk.

So they do go through the preway where they're really. really big. Every woman's body is so different. Your breast stay the same. Some of your nipples get extremely large. It's all just so many great changes with motherhood, Lauren. What about vaginal versus C-section? What's the differences that you've seen after? You know, the recovery. The recovery. Well, you know, with coming with vaginal births, most of the times, most women have to get a few stitches. You know, some doctors I know will even cut you before you get to that point, just, you know, quick slice to make sure that your vagina will expand. Oh, a quick slice between my vagina and my perlinium or whatever the hell is called us. Exactly. Chill. And then you have to,

you know, hemorrhoids is a real thing after having a vaginal one. And sometimes if you pushed a long time and then had to have a cesarean, hemorrhoids is real with that as well too. But of course, you know, a cesarean, a C-section is major surgery. So that recovery is much longer. You know, you really can't lift anything heavy than your baby for two weeks. You can't release. Some moms can't go up and down the steps. So it's definitely a longer recovery. And sometimes I've heard your body just never feels the same after a C-section on them because it's such a way of delivery. Again, I'm trying not to have any expectation towards either one. I'm just going to see what happens and kind of go with it. Some moms watch delivery videos on YouTube and some moms stay away from it. What's been

your take on it? I watched one video of a vaginal delivery and made Michael watch it with me. And that was enough for me. Like I just, I feel like I'm the type of person, again, that I have to go into it with my own experience. Like to just watch a bunch of videos is like, this is weird, but it's like an overload of content for me. So what's the role? What's the rule with Michael? Can he have, does he have to stay above the knees? Or can he look? You know, some moms don't want the husband to see all the... I'm not very artistic. So I don't know, like I'm sure I'm going to love to see the baby, but I don't know if I'm going to be on the other side. I feel like going to be on the other right. I'm going to make the decision for you. I don't, I don't want Michael down.

there. You don't want him to be up by my shoulders? I want to do whatever makes her comfortable. That's what makes me comfortable. And by the way, our friend Wesley and Brano, like, Bronno watched the entire birth and said it was the most beautiful thing that he's ever seen. And he's super artistic. Right. But for Michael, like, I just, like, for our situation, like, you're going to be up on your shoulders. Well, here's the thing. I thought, like, I was listening to. And don't fucking Pete. I was listening to a guy and a woman, actually friends of ours. We know. And he said, well, like, it's, she was, they were saying that it's selfish of Lorne. If she doesn't let me see the But I was like, you know what?

I actually, I want to be selfless in this situation to make her comfortable. So if that makes her uncomfortable and stress her out during the delivery, like, I don't want that for her. But this is another situation, which is like everything that your mom experience should be, everyone is different. I'm sure there's moms that are listening that their husbands caught the baby and it was beautiful and it worked for them. For my relationship, get the fuck behind my shoulders. So why don't you be in the middle though? Why don't you say stay behind me? But once the baby is out and up, he can cut the umbilical cord.

How about you give him that? He's going to cut the end. That's part of our birth plan. Right. So that's like meeting halfway almost. I'm going to have some steady hands. I'm scared I'm going to be cut the wrong thing. You're not going to cut it too soon.

I want it to pulsate. I want it to finish pulsating. Listen, I'm not doing anything until someone says it's like they're going to be like, I'm going to be like, I'm going to double triple chummy. Sure, sure. I'm going to like Michael is the most calm.

Like I feel like he's the one that's going to keep everyone calm on schedule. Let's go. The baby needs to be here by five. No, I'm joking about that part. That is very observant to be. You know, we were talking to the duly yesterday. I'm a turbo person as you know.

I'm like pretty like go, go, go. But in situations like that, I'm pretty calm. Right. I think you have to be calm. Right. I mean, when shit hits the fan, I'm a good guy to be around. I'm calm. Because Lauren, I mean, and I don't know, Lauren is so, you know, I was reading this book

where the silent birth is becoming like a new trend. When no one talks, just like the baby comes in, the mom's not screaming. They just like that kind of centers the baby. It used to be really connected to Scientology, but now more moms that aren't in scienceology are really adapting to the silent birth. But I everyone wants to know, do you see yourself as a screamer, as a calm? What do you kind of, when those pains hit $100,000. When I have pain, I'm pretty inward.

I don't think. What do you think? Let me tell you something. My wife, if I'm like a, if I'm a tough tolerance of like a three, she's like an 11. She's like one of the toughest women. I mean that. You guys could probably push out triplets then. You never told me that.

Oh my God. I mean, like yeah, your pain threshold is ridiculous. I went to Thailand with her. We're eating the spicy food. I was basically bawling crying. She was just sitting there like like, was it Tom Young Gum? Also. Michael, you had to remember.

spicy food and giving birth are two. Sure, but I'm saying she can do all of it. Whatever. But what I will say about silent births, I'm a pretty chatty person, as you could tell. I don't know if I can do the silent birth. Right, right. No, you're going to have to, this is what I'm going to need from him. Do we have a playlist is the question?

You, hopefully I have a little speaker. No, you need to have a playlist. Oh, I do? Yeah, I want Basanova, I think. I want Bosanova. Like, I want her to come. It's kind of cool to have a baby come out to a store. We're going to come out to Iron Maiden.

No, she can come out to like tall and tan. and young and lovely. Let me put a nice little soft thing on there. I will, I need, what I need from him is I need him to turn down his thermometer, because sometimes he goes zero to 60, and I need,

like, energy to drop down a little bit. I don't have what you call a slow build. I just kind of, you just go. You just go. Yeah, one speed, let's go.

Okay, so I want to talk to you about this. I told you earlier. You're coming on the blog. You're going to do a bunch of blog posts on, um, accessories and things for the nursery that you think everyone needs. So I'll give you an example. the baby shusher, shisher, shisher, the baby shisher.

Is something that I, Instagram storied and everyone DM'd me and said it's like a lifesaver. What are those like lifesaver hacks that every mom should have in their nursery? Well, the first and foremost, I would say blackout shades, blackout curtains. Every mom should have that because, again, going back to starting the healthy sleep habits from the beginning, you want the room to be completely dark. And they have them at Target, Amazon, you know, the lowest you want to spin up is the highest. You can find blackout shades. That's the number one thing. a white sound, a white noise machine is definitely, definitely, especially with you two having dogs

and having people coming out, you don't want the smallest noise to get. But then again, you know, I say to have the white noise machine, but then also make sure you live your life because I know some people that they just make their house to be so quiet when the baby sleep, but then the baby gets used to that. So the smallest thing. So I say have the white noise machine, but also continue to live your life, play your music, have your TV on, don't get your baby used to having the sleep in silence and only the white noise machine. That's really good advice. Yeah. And then the next thing will be a very safe crib. You know,

I think safety is so important. So I would say a crib, you know, don't buy a crib off of Craigslist. Don't re-gift a crib. Buy yourself a new crib no matter what budget. The crib that our baby's sleeping in, you can like let everyone know. It's very safe. Very safe. It's absolutely safe. We've taken every, some things if you wanted for the nursery, I've personally said we can't have that because it's not going to be safe. So you're, you have one of the safest. I am also a safety certified. We're going to baby proof the house too. Exactly. Exactly, yes. So your baby, everything that your baby has will be safe. You're a safety certified installer.

Installer. So you come in, she's basically going to come into the nursery and make sure that things, if there's an earthquake, that things are right, how they should be on the wall. You also did a class with Michael and I for baby CPR. Did the baby CPR? That was really helpful, actually. It is. Exactly. Because I had a brief understanding of CPR for adults, but I didn't realize, you know,

even like the little thing with the two fingers. Yeah, exactly. So you know, you remember how to do that? Because my memory. I also remember how to flip the baby and you put it head down and flip it back. I know, look, I pay attention to these things. No, I pay attention to, but I have pregnancy brain right now. So I just want to make sure we might need to go over.

You put the mouth over the mouth and the nose. Do you think every new mom should take baby CPR? I absolutely do. I think that there's no cause or rhyme or rhythm for SIDS. You know, of course they always say why things. And if you look online, so many moms have found their babies unconscious and was able to, you know, bring their baby back to life until the ambulance got there or to help their baby breathing on the buffalo once of the ambulance got there.

So I definitely think that every mom, and they have, it can be free at a YMCA or a local Red Cross. So I definitely think that every mom should do CPR and for CPR. And we're going to link some baby CPR things in the show notes for you guys. We'll link. I know there's like an American pediatrics maybe. Yes. And also, too, normally if you just go to your YMCA, they do tons of classes with that.

You know, you could just actually go online and Google local infant. You know, some churches even do it. I think now with SIDS kind of rising, more and more places are seeing the importance to offer those classes to moms. Yeah, and maybe when you come on the blog, you can give us some safe sleep tactics. Right, exactly. Okay, so if you have to tell someone one piece of advice to leave our audience with for a nursery, what is it? Safety first. Okay.

Safety first. And then I would just say blackout curtains because I'm going to need those for sleeping. And if someone wants to know where they can find all these like earthquake things, and all these, like how to nail something to a wall. Where can they find that? Again, I hate to sound cliche, but going on Google and doing it because there's so many, you have earthquake specialists just for, like, lighting. You have earthquake specialists just for, like, electricity in your home.

So I definitely say just Google what you're actually looking for. And they do sell infant and baby emergency earthquake kits now where you can get, like, the baby food, this. So I think that it's just about, you know, taking your time to research because every home, you know, lives in different areas will require different things. You know, I have a mom now that lives in the Hollywood Hills and her home has to be prepared differently from someone that may live in Malibu because she's in a different area, which is different risk. And what about the plugs in the wall? You talk to me about this. Tell me about that really quick. Every mom has to have the

electrical covers in the nursery because there's so many kids that actually stick metal into the outlets under year old, just from crawling and walking and have become electrocuted. So I always take a lot of precaution, not just the nursery, but covering all of the outlets in the whole home. And you're going to help me do this, right? Absolutely. What's a book, a podcaster resource that you would recommend to our audience on Mommyhood? Wow, that's a good question. What part of Mommyhood is so bad?

You could do sleep training and then maybe something with nursery design. Or let's do it this way. For new moms, never been, baby's not born, and then maybe like to read in the first year. So maybe there's two. You know, my favorite book is the Baby Whisper. Amazing, amazing book. And sadly, you know, the woman who wrote that, she passed. away a few years ago, but it's still the Bible of baby health care. So I definitely say the

baby whisper was definitely your first thing that you should read. And for podcasts, not a podcast listener. We're going to convert you. Well, I mean, not that I don't feel like there's one place that you go and get everything that you need is piece and peace here. So maybe that could be you, Lauren. Maybe you created Jada Kids podcast. Jada Baby podcast. Jada Baby podcast. I might call you though when I have kids though too. What? Because you have an 11 year old. Yes. Yeah. So you know kids. So I've been through all, every stuff. up, everything you can imagine that you're going to go through the sleepless nights, the crying out, everything. I've been through it. It never changes. You know, life goes on, but the normal,

no, rather where you live or what decade you have your baby in, it's all the same. I keep telling myself over and over, I'm like, a couple people have done this before. Yeah. And yet they've survived. Yep. What's your favorite age? My favorite age, I would have to say, it's like between three and five. It's so magical because their personalities are really developed by them. They're talking. It's their preschool years. They're bringing you art. They're bossing their dad around if they're a girl. They're bossing Michael around. He's having her and all the Gucci that she wants. No, Michael.

You're not going to do that. I got some, I got a lot of basics coming in. Okay. Yeah, we're finding a lot of different cute clothes. And I just have to say, you took me to loved baby the other day. We love, loved baby. It's this organic, like, it's organic, 100% cotton,

baby clothing. And it's so great because, A, you don't have any chemicals up against your baby. It's such a soft, soft, soft. I mean, love baby's been around for years. They're kids like 12 and 13. They've been raised on Love Baby. I really like their stuff. We got a bunch of olive, nude, and black. So she set. Michael got her a leather jacket, which I have to show you later. And a jean jacket to match him. I'm in a lot of trouble.

We need to start about Michael's gift for his nursery designer because he's bringing all these Hermes bags and his Gucci bags. You know, you know, you got something coming your way. I don't know. I'll play your cards right. We're going to talk about it. Let's see how this nursery ends up. Where can everyone find you, pimp yourself out? They can find me on Jada Niani Kids and Jada Niani.com. And soon I have my ebooks coming out where they can actually, I give you step by step training.

Wherever you live, wherever in the world, you can actually buy the ebooks or you can actually hire me for consultations via Skype or Zoom. She's amazing. Thank you so much for coming on. That was so informative. Thank you guys. I learned so much. Thank you. Guys, wait before you go.

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