The Bossticks - Charli D'Amelio & Heidi D'Amelio On Growing Up In The Spotlight, Dating, TikTok, & Dancing With The Stars

Episode Date: October 31, 2022

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I missed out on a lot of that high school stuff that I would have been involved in. And I was always given the out to go back to normal life in Connecticut, but I always chose this route and this career, even though I knew what goes into it. And sometimes that's a lot. It's just a continual change. Every time you feel like, okay, we got this. the teams in place were good. I don't know if we'll ever be situated because things change. Look at that happy Halloween. We have a fun episode for you today. We have Charlie DeMilio and Heidi

Demilio on the podcast. Charlie is a digital superstar. You guys, she is the queen of TikTok. I'm not even joking. She was named by the New York Times as the queen of TikTok. She was the first ever on the platform to hit 100 million followers. She also has a fragrance line and she gifted it to me. And I have to tell you. Michael's been following me around. It smells so good. It's on my vanity. It's absolutely adorable. It's called Born Dreamer. And we have a giveaway at the end of this episode. And then we have her mom, Heidi. You guys have probably seen both of them on their Hulu show. It is called the D'Amilio show. I watched the entire docu-series before this interview. And the show is really cool because it's very real. They're crying. They're showing behind the scenes. They're showing what it actually takes

to live this crazy life. They're also both on Dancing with the Stars, season 31, and we talk all about that. We get into how it feels to go from having a normal life to this crazy life that they're living now. We talk about her show, her perfume, relationships now. We go all over the place. And of course, all things TikTok. So on that note, let's get right into it with Charlie and Heidi DeMille. This is the skinny confidential.

her. Okay, so we've got a lot going on. I'm wearing lonely ghost, which Charlie says she loves. I do. And I just gifted her an ice roller, which you guys, she just told me, and I'll let you explain it more, that you like dunking your face in ice. Yes, I try to do it every morning. It makes me feel, like, I don't feel ready unless I do that. I'm, I just, I can't. I like feel so weird leaving my house if I don't. Something's missing. Especially with Dancing with the Stars, this grueling rehearsal, I feel like you need ice on your face.

Yeah. And they see you from every angle. And I wake up because my allergies get so bad. My eyes are like so swollen in the morning. How are you guys managing everything that has happened to you? Because this is, I was watching your show to do research and also I like love the show. But it's a lot. They're just for research.

No, I'm watching it in bed, like relaxing with a face mask. gone. It's an amazing show, but I'm also watching it for research for this. You guys have a lot going on. How are you managing all this? Are you managing this? I mean, I think we have different takes on it, probably. Obviously, she is a different set of things that she's doing than I do. So she can, she can speak to her own thing. But for me, I have the things that I'm doing, but I'm also still, a mom and a wife and we're both managing a lot in different ways. I want to ask you about that because we have two young children. We have a three-month-old and a three-year-old, almost a three-year-old.

And as a parent to raise your child for as long as you have and then all of a sudden have this whole world change, how has that been? You know, in a weird way, a lot of it just feels normal because I think if it were just one of the girls and then the three, the rest of us would have been like, oh, wow, this is, you know, obviously supportive. But we wouldn't feel it like we do all going through it together. Because you're all in it. So we're all in it. And I feel like when we're all together, it just feels like it always felt.

Like, you know, Charlie has the things that she does, like if she spills, she doesn't react. I've been doing better. What do you mean? Actually, that's a lie. No, she hasn't. But like, that's Charlie. She's always done that. And Dixie and I are like, get the favorite towels.

Charlie, do something. She's more relaxed. I don't know what it is about that. She's done that her whole life. Dixie has her things. Like, I have my things. So Mark has his thing. So in that sense, it just feels very much the same.

And then we have all this other stuff. So I think because it feels so much like home and us and as we have always been as a family, the other stuff is much easier to sort of go through together. How are you guys not letting L.A. penetrate your unit? Because I'm from San Diego and when I moved up to L.A., it can be a lot. There's a lot of good things about L.A., but it's also sometimes a lot of opportunist and people grabbing you. Is it overwhelming? Or are you just trying to stay true to yourself with each other? Not making myself feel like I need to be involved. You know, I feel like that's something that was really hard for me to understand. at first because obviously you want to be at all of this cool stuff. But I feel like being able to take a step back and really prioritize your work, yourself, and everything around that has been super important. And also it helps having my family out here because it kind of feels like

we're back in Connecticut, but just in a different place. Like it's not like our entire lives have changed, but it doesn't feel that way. When did you start to see your life on? TikTok when you were in Connecticut change. Like was there one video that was an epiphany or was it a slow build? It wasn't, it was one video that kind of was like the domino effect for the next video and the next video and then started to come out to L.A. and then started to do this more as a job and, you know, working with brands and partners and all that stuff kind of happened fairly quickly.

so it's all kind of a blur. But that whole year of my life, what was it, my sophomore year of high school, was kind of where everything happened, that was, what, 2019? How were the people in school when all of this happened to you? Were they supportive? Because I've heard both ways. Probably the least supportive was my sister. Because I was the younger sister posting dancing videos on the internet.

And like, I get it. That's kind of embarrassing for her. What's the age difference? We're two years, eight months. Not that far off. But I also feel like at the time, everybody was watching videos on TikTok, but no one was admitting it. And so it was like, oh, it was cringy to be on TikTok, which is what she was doing.

Yeah, but everybody was on it and watching it. Yeah. Everyone started posting. And then I kind of left school. I left school, right? in the middle of, not even the middle of the year. So when you see this going on and you can obviously recognize like there's some massive attention going, do you immediately say like, okay, like we got to start thinking about how this is going to affect her life?

Or do you, or are you kind of like, let's just see how this plays out? Well, I mean, Mark and I are pretty savvy with social media and using it as business and how to grow. And so we recognize that this shift is major and it's happening and how to make sure. she's okay. Does she still want to do this? How far do you want to take it? That kind of thing. And so, you know, what happened was people were starting to reach out. They wanted to manage her, this and that. And so we were just very, very cautious and said no to a lot of things as a family because kind of thinking bigger picture, just nervous to get into a brand deal that might not work down the road.

You know, we didn't know enough about that business, knew about business, but not that business. So we were just very slow to it. I think the first thing we did was we got a manager and then an entertainment attorney. One thing I really respect about what you guys are doing is on the show you are, it's almost like you have strategist that you sit down with and you're going over presentations.

And it seems like you're very organized and you're thinking about the future. From what I saw, how are you implementing that team? Like, how did you guys get the team that is taking it to the next level? I feel like from the beginning, as things grew, things didn't feel good because the growth was so fast. And then we'd have to adjust. And that's what was hard, the adjustment. What would end up happening would be, I would, you know, complain as a daughter does to my parents.

And I'd talk to my team. and then my dad would get tired of me saying the same thing a million times and be like, okay, well, then let's fix it. And he would kind of go and make sure that all of the right pieces of the puzzle were in place in order for our lives to run smoothly. And I feel like that's a very nice thing to have. I feel bad because he does it a lot, but he's always kind of there to fix everything and make sure that our lives are running smoothly because at the end of the day,

I feel like that's the most important part of all of this. But he was able to kind of find all of those people to help us in our lives and, you know, intern kind of be. He doesn't want to be a manager or in charge of what we do whatsoever, but he is always there to help, which is really nice. And I can always look at him to kind of help me direct my life when I'm struggling with my work. stuff. And also I think what we realized is it's never going as the growth is happening and change and they're getting older and wanting to do different things. Like it's just a continual change. Every time you feel like, okay, we got this. The team's in place. We're good. Things change. And then we have to add or move or change and adjust with it. I think that's been the hardest thing is to realize

we're not going to, I don't know if we'll ever be situated because it's just, you know, you have two young girls. So they're evolving as young women. And so as that happens, everything around has to kind of shift and adjust with it. And so Mark would love for things to be like situated. Like in his business, he has a whole other job. He's situated. He has his team. He has, he knows what he's doing. He has his accounts. This is not like that. Like when there's a problem, he wants to fix it. But it's not always that easy. Sounds familiar. I understand. You know, I was, I'm just thinking. about you. So Lauren and I've been around this landscape for a while and we've been able to kind of

control our growth. And also when all this stuff kind of came out, we were, you know, adults, right? So like we could kind of navigate and same with you. And I wonder, you know, if there's a part of you, you've been thrown into this so fast and you guys are still so young. If sometimes you're like, oh, like I kind of just want to like be like my normal, not I'm saying normal, but you know what I'm saying like, because it's a lot. I mean, probably at this point, you, every time you go out, there's some kind of thing, there's some kind of action. Like you've got to kind of be thoughtful about it. And do you ever miss just being like, hey, I just want to have like a normal life? I actually talked about this during an interview today for Dancing with the Stars because we were talking about

like prom and high school. And it really made me think for the first time. I missed out on a lot of that high school stuff that I would have been involved in. And I was always given the out to, you know, go back to normal life in Connecticut. But I always chose. this route and this career, even though I knew what goes into it. And sometimes that's a lot. But thinking back on some things, I'm like, oh, it would have been nice to, you know, be a part of that. I did get to, you know, I did get to go to my senior prom. Like, that was something that was really important to me. And I got to do that with my class and all my friends. And that was really nice, but, you know, like going back and getting to go to a house party is, like, fun for me.

And I just had the time of my life. But then now they're all off in college, and I'm, like, meeting all their roommates on FaceTime. And it's a little sad that I'm, like, not there with them. But I also get to do all this cool stuff. So it's like I have to really balance it out, and I did make the decision on my own. I knew exactly what the give and take would be with my career. versus my life and I feel like I made the right decision.

Yeah, I mean, listen, what you're building and what you have built is incredible, but I just wonder if there's a part of you sometimes that looks at that kind of stuff like, oh, like that would be, I mean, you can't go back. What you're doing, you can't let something like this go and there's so much momentum and so many amazing things happening, but I just wonder if you think about that stuff. Because to a degree, like we all, before all this kind of came about, how does, we, you know, I was in college, I was in a fraternity, like, we went to the house parties. We did all the stuff.

And so now I'm like, okay, we can contextualize a lot of the other stuff because we were able to kind of have that kind of normal period of time. I feel like it was it was a little tough for us as parents because Mark and I just because we have life experience in the moment at 15 she was like, I want to go. Let's all, you know, let's go to L.A. I want to do this. This is all I want to do. Actually, prior to any of this social media stuff, she wanted to do online school and just train as a dancer. So that was conversations that had been going on for years. And we just having life experience knew that missing out on all of that stuff is, you know, she would have regrets. And so we wanted to protect that.

And no, you have to stay in school. And then all of this happened. And she blew up on social media. And she's more than ever, I want to do this. This is all I want to do. Mark was big on you're going to have regrets of missing out on high school and all those experiences. and I'm kind of like a little bit championing for her like, but this is such a great opportunity.

This is really what she's feeling. And then on his side, he's like, but she doesn't even know what she's going to miss out on. We know what she's going to miss out on. So I was kind of like stuck in the middle. She would be in one here and even in the other. And I'm like, I don't know. I don't know what to do.

So we just kind of, then COVID happened. Everybody's an online school. and we moved here during COVID. So, I mean, if it was going to happen, because I also think about that, you know, I can't imagine being in school during COVID times, right? Like, that sounds like just for everybody that was in school, it sounds kind of like a kind of a waste of being in college, right? Well, I mean, I was doing online school at the time.

Yeah, so it was already, yeah. I was doing both, which was, you know, its own thing. But, I mean, definitely the tail end of, like, senior year, there was a lot of times where I was like, I kind of wish I was there. But I also love my life now. And it is as fun as that is, my life is also really fun just in different ways. Did you always know your daughters were going to be stars? Like when you look back when they were born, are you like, did you know?

Be honest. There has been many times since both girls, Dixie and Charlie, were very little that people would say when we were out and about, they're like their stars. Like they have that it factor. Like just random people. because, you know, Dixie was in theater and singing, but she was also a nationally ranked BMX racer and she was doing breakdance and, you know, she had this spark and this, like, personality

and just people gravitated towards her. And then Charlie would dance and just would be, you know, anytime there was music, she was just doing her thing and just all throughout their life, I would hear that. And, you know, we were just like, whatever they want to do, we'll support them. And literally anything they would want to try, we would like, all right, let's do it. Your sister on the show is really open about her anxiety, which I think is so amazing.

We need to like talk about it more because just normalizing it. How do you support her and how do you support her as a mom when she's going through feeling anxious? I think for us, I'm probably not the best person. We don't really talk too much about our feelings. That's like kind of our thing. You and your sister? Yeah. But she's definitely helped me through a lot of tough times.

And, you know, I always try to be there for her as well. She's a little bit more closed off than I am when it comes to emotions. So I try my best, but she's a little tough sometimes to really know exactly when she's going through something. And how to react. Yeah. Because you would want to react one way of, like, scooping her in and let's do this. Like, kind of the way when she's, you know. Charlie is going through that.

I kind of know what to do and I let her lead that. Dixie, it's, I have no idea. Like, I'm trying to take her lead she wants, but she doesn't want, come in, don't come in. So it's a little bit harder with her. Is she a Gemini? She's a Leo. She's a Leo. Yeah.

She's a little Gemini. I like it. She probably has like a moon in Gemini. Yeah, I never know what I'm getting in the morning. I just look over and say, I wonder who's here today. So you guys ever set parameters around your phone? Like for me, for my own. mental health, what I've realized being in this career is I have to spend two hours in the morning

off my phone. Because if I wake up looking at my phone, it'll just spiral my day. Do you have any parameters? Like, well, you get off on a Sunday and just throw it in the gutter? I won't get off my phone, but I will not look at anything about me. Like when I know something's coming out and I'm like, I don't want to see anything about this. I just won't look at it. Like the comments. Yeah, like comments, videos, tweets, I'll just not go there. That's the move. My dad told me he's like, don't read your own press clippings because it's good or bad because once you get sucked in, you can't get out. I think that's the move. I think that's the smartest thing to do, just not even to look at it.

Yeah, so I just, I'd rather like, but I still like to use my phone just to do whatever, just scroll about other things that aren't myself. And what about you, Heidi? Are you having parameters around your phone? I mean, not consciously like, oh, I'm not going to use my phone right now. I just happens throughout the day where Mark and I are hanging out and spending time and we're just not on our phones. So it happens just naturally. I think too, because they've had phones forever, like the majority of their life. So for us, we knew normal life before social media.

I had a pager, yeah. Lauren and I used to page each other, not to date us too much, but. He used to page me 143 when we were in seventh grade. Like, I love you. Yeah, yeah. Because we couldn't text. That's true. On those little Motorola pagers, those are vintage.

But it's something I go back and forth with now because I look at it. So I think what you guys have done such an incredible job as parents of is you've really created a space where it sounds like your kids feel like they could, you know, come to you for anything, do anything. They're taking, you know, I don't say take advantage, but they can look at these platforms say, okay, we can actually use these to build a business. So many parents, especially in that era, like, hey, get off your phone, don't do this.

And I think it's at the detriment of a lot of kids because they grow up and this is now all the world that we live in. But at the same time, the back and forth for me is like, how much time do you want them to be in that world compared to like the world without a phone? And how do you have a healthy balance? Because there's a lot of great, obviously, human interaction that takes place outside of this that I feel like a lot of people miss out on if they get too stuck into this thing. Well, as parents would, they were always involved. Dixie was in theater and sports and Charlie was in dance and she could walk. and you know she did we pushed her to do other things she did best she wanted she would say i want to try

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Okay. Berries, whatever I have. And water. That's it. I don't even put ice in mine. Do you have a morning routine and any kind of routine that you do every single day? I always have coffee in the morning for breakfast.

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What happens are these young guys that try to come around and they're like, okay, I'm trying to win your heart over? How do they even stand a chance? What do they got to do? Well, I have, I've got to ask the hard-hitting questions. Yeah. I have a boyfriend. right now. He's great. He's super nice. She's taken sorry guys. Yeah. He's really sweet. I don't even know.

What's this guy's move? He must be a real Casanova. He slides in. He's really sweet. Like he was raised really, really well and he knows how to treat people. And I think that that was something that really stood out to me, especially a lot of people in this kind of world, especially around my age, tend to be a little bit more like they expect a lot, but they don't give a lot. And I feel like something about him that kind of set him apart was he would be like we'd be hanging out and I would go leave to go do something for work and I would come back to like flowers on my desk for no reason. I was just like that's kind of weird. You don't do that.

You know, we have younger siblings and probably around your age and they say like not to call them up but they're like they're saying dating now and this is harder than ever and I'm like for us we didn't have a lot of these challenges. What do you mean by people in your age group are? What was the word you just described? I think a lot of people around my age are... Like they said they want everything. Yeah, they, they, there's kind of a lost romance.

Like people aren't as romantic. It's, you know, like a DM. I did DM him and I was like, hey, what's up? But it's so a conversation and then done and then a conversation to hang out and then done. And it's like there's no... Like nobody's putting in the work. Yeah. And I feel like that's something that I, I, I, I,

I would love to put in the work for someone that will do it back, you know? And that was something about him that was really interesting to me and kind of like intriguing. I was like, you're different. I like that about you. And it just ever since it's kind of stayed that way. And that was something really important, especially when we're both so busy. When she's done with her coughing fit, I'll bring her back into the call. I don't know what she's going on right now.

But it's okay. So it does a show we keep it going. But so when I was talking to our sisters about this and I was saying, you know, like it seems like now because everything's so fast and there's so many options, or at least it seems there's so many options online that people are just like, I'm just going to try a little bit. If it doesn't happen right away exactly as I want it. I'm just going to throw it away and go on the next. The same thing with like all these dating out. It's like, go, go, go. And I have all of these people in our lives now. We've been married a while. And they're like, hey, I really want to like settle down or find the right person. And I'm like, you're not going to do that sitting in your underwear, swiping over and over and over and not putting in the time. Because like, Like, this is what I was kind of talking about earlier. It's like you get so stuck in these things. You forget that you have to like actually work at it a little bit. Yeah, I think when we both started hanging out, I don't think either of us really wanted to like be in a serious relationship.

Like we were just like hanging out. And then we just found out that we really enjoyed each other's company. And it was kind of that thing where we don't have to be in a deep conversation to feel like we, are having fun together. It can just be like you're sitting there doing whatever and I'm like doing my makeup or something and it's like I just enjoy you being around me. But I also think the little things like getting a snack or you're out somewhere and you're like, hey, I'm getting food like I'm going to get you something like just little things like that which is it sounds so small. But I mean, not a lot of people do that anymore. Well that's it. I mean, it's it.

No, no, I'm doing these. When you're out getting food, you can text me. You forget sometimes. Listen, okay. I've put in a lot of work. I mean, I put in a lot of work. I've put in a lot of work. I've been to chaser for about 10 years.

Yeah, I always dangle the carrot. What would you guys say are your top beauty tips? Do you have like go-toes that you use? I mean, I just sprayed your fragrance, born dreamer, you guys. Smells so good. So I'm sure that's one. Thanks. Yeah, that's definitely.

an everyday type of thing. I would say for me, icing my face is a big thing that I do. Every day, I try to take care of my skin as best as I can, you know, keeping, not sleeping with makeup on, keeping a good skincare routine. You know, as someone that's prone to acne and has been, it's like a little tough because it's not always perfect, but I do put in the work for that. And I would just say Probably not using heat on my hair has been my biggest thing recently growing it back.

Do you know that Haley Heckman does my hair? Really? Yeah. That's so funny. And she was doing my hair. She's like, who are you interviewing this week? And I told her you and she's like, I saw her on the show too.

Yeah. She is so good at hair. She's awesome. She's very talented. I think she's like, I tell her all the time. I'm like, you're going to be the most famous hairstylist. And I like, she's so good. She's awesome.

But no heat on your hair is a good one. What about you? Well, because I get it done so much, I don't do it myself. Right. That makes sense. I do that too. I don't put any heat on my hair just when someone does it. What about you?

This might sound silly, but for me, I drink a gallon of water a day. And when I don't, oh, you can just see it in my skin. It's terrible. So as I've gotten older, I've definitely, I've always kind of done that. But, you know, there's days where I don't hit that. But for the most part, that's my thing. my skincare routine is pretty simple. I just have to drink a lot of water.

I have to hydrate. So, you know, I like a good body scrub. Not too much. Like, I feel like I'm pretty simple in my... I try not to wash my hair too much. With all the stuff going on, like on all the different options, why do you choose dancing with the stars?

Just out of curiosity, because it seems like it's a lot of work. It seems like it's a lot of energy. Like, of all the things that people would approach are like, oh, man, that seems like I'd have to do a lot more physical activity than I'd want to. because it's a lot right i was watching some of those audition videos it's it's a lot it is it's a lot of hours it's a lot on your body getting used to that now it's definitely more than i expected when it

comes to like oh i can't walk up the stairs right now but i think out of everything that we could have gotten the chance to do nothing really like stood out like dancing with the stars does it's such an amazing experience, especially like now that we've started and are actually in it, the cast is amazing. Like I'm making good friends that are just kind people that I enjoy being around as well as, you know, getting to be active, workout, try new things, try new dance styles that I've never tried before, wear pretty costumes, like the whole thing. It's just really fun. What is the actual gruelingness of it? Like, do you have to be there at six? Are you dancing for like 10 hours? Talk to someone that knows nothing about the process and the behind the scenes.

So I'll talk about Monday because I went first this past Monday and show day. Show day. And my call time, what time did I get? I got there at 7. I had camera block right after I got there. So I was like, you're dancing at 7 in the morning. Full out. That's a lot.

And then go to hair and makeup and then get in your costume, dress rehearsal, and then the show. and then press after. So that's like a full day of kind of a lot of stuff you're on your feet. I was like in pain. In heels. In heels. That was a lot. Like the first show day, I did not drink a sip of water just because there was so much going on.

I didn't know anything. But then when it comes to rehearsals, that's a lot too. It also depends on the style of dance. Those really fast styles, you come out of rehearsal like sweating. but those slow styles, you wake up the next morning and everything is sore because you're using all of your muscles. It's a lot. That's where I'm going after this. I think I'm done at 10.30? 1030. Are you used to the process because you are a dancer? Like if I can imagine if I did it, like I'm not a dancer. So it would be like, oh my God, are you used to all this because of your history?

I thought I would be better prepared for it. I was like, I was like, I. I've got, you know, like having that type of schedule before as well as like, I'm young. I'm not going to be sore. I'm going to be fine. It is not. Like, there was no way that I could have prepared for this. I also have, I don't work out. Like, besides this, I do not work out.

I just, like, can't get myself to do it, which is really bad and I need to work on it. That was another reason why I wanted to do this. But I was so, I have no stamina. So I'm like, oh, it hurts. it's a lot. What about you? So I'm a pro. I love to weight train. So I've done that for years. But before when I found, from the time I found out I started doing conditioning, which I don't usually do. So I wanted to, I'm 50. So I did not want to get hurt. So I tried to prepare as much as I could. I worked

on my mobility, my flexibility. So when I showed up, day one of rehearsal, I felt pretty good about it. very sore. My stamina was fine. The things that were sore were just from like being in frame and you're such, you have such good posture. Like I guess I generally don't. But that was so all my neck was really sore. And, you know, the hours are you'll, you'll train in the morning at eight or and then the next day you're training until 10, 1030 at night. So it's all over the board. So the sleep time, rest time, recovery time has been. a little difficult. Sometimes you'll train at night and then the first thing in the morning, like my feet aren't ready yet. Like my feet are killing me. All the other stuff. Yeah, work and even after show day, I had I had rehearsal at like 8.30 the next morning. And I was like, and it only gets more, more hours, more dances, longer dances, all that. Who's going to win? Who do you think? I have no idea. You don't. There's a lot of really good people. Who else is on the cast? Let's see.

Selma Blair, Shangela. Okay. Wayne Brady. Cool. Gabby. I'm not sure her last name. The Bachelor. Yeah.

Okay. Jordan Sparks. Jordan Sparks. Joe Baino. Yes. All those people came in. I said, no, we're just going to talk to you guys. It's a really, honestly, I feel like the best part right now is I was a little bit nervous going into it that people would be super competitive to where it was almost like.

Yeah. Like they're taking it too seriously. But it is such a positive. group of people. Like, I've had such amazing conversations. Like, Selma Blair is the sweetest person. She has this super sweet son that I got to meet. And it's like, we're meeting each other's families and Shangela I can talk to her forever. Like, Jordan Sparks is one of the sweetest people I've ever met. Wayne Brady. It's like every single person, you just don't know when you walk into this. Because we also didn't know when we agreed who else was going to be on the show. So getting to see that it is

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I want to ask you a business question. I heard you guys talking on Gary Vaynerchuk's podcast or was it his show and we love Gary. and it was around the questioning of, you know, if you think you could, you know, basically keep the same kind of attention as you guys got in the beginning of TikTok as it's changed. And the question I want to ask you is there's so many people, I don't just say young people, but people look up to what you guys have built. If you were looking back now and what you've learned, if you were starting today and you wanted to build something similar, where would you start? If I was starting today, I would probably start, honestly, I would say

a mixture of TikTok, YouTube, maybe some type of streaming platform. They feel like that stuff does well. Do you think I'm wrong in the sense? I look at TikTok now and I watch and I feel like it's so fast

and like people may find somebody for a little bit but then they move on to the next person real quick. It's hard to stick on a platform like TikTok. But I don't think that it's impossible. I feel like the triplets just recently blew up. There's these three triplet boys. I'm not exactly sure how to pronounce their last name. Nick, Chris, and Matt. And they blew up pretty recently. And they're still doing very well, but I also know that they post consistently on YouTube. And also, that's a very unique angle that they're triplets. I feel like

you do have to have a unique perspective. Like, you can't just go on it, I feel like, and just, you know, do something that everyone else is doing. You know what I mean? You have to find your own formula. It seems like, which you've done really well. Even Erica and Kristen, their sisters, they're like, I think she got famous for cutting watermelon. And she like tries all these crazy fruits. But she's just, like they also blew up a little bit more recently. And, you know, it's kind of, it's hard also that kind of time period where you're just starting and you have a few followers, but a lot of spotlight on you. And you're getting invited to events.

Like, where do you live in order to be able to get to these events? Like, if there's so much else that goes into it that it's like, it's like, it's like, like kind of no one really talks about that that time period where you have to like be at the right place at the right time meet people in your space to know what to do and it's it's kind of hard to get through to that but I would also say collaborations are probably very important still I also feel like people do want to be entertained as they're scrolling through but I think they want to walk away with something I know for me like I just found like the salad girl who makes the best salads I'm I've literally literally been making salads

now because of her and like now we do them each other and everything like I want somebody I want some value so that's for me I don't know if it's an age thing or if you feel the same no it's something we think about all the time especially like in a medium like audio right you have to like have something like that because if not you know there's too many other options to me and I think about like a lot of the people that grow up and like I'm just going to create these viral videos at some point how do you transition that where you keep people around right because everybody ages up right you might see as a little kid you're watching like oh I like, like, whatever these videos are, but as you become an adult and you want more out of life,

how do you continue to create content that keeps people coming back saying, like, I'm really actually getting something out of this that I can apply to myself? I think not being afraid to change what you do on your platform. Like grow with people. Don't hold yourself back to where you were when you started. How is your content evolved since you first started? Like when you look back to now, I think just my whole, myself. Like I've changed as a person, so I could have made the exact same video, but it's going to read differently because maybe I'm more confident or I do my makeup differently or no matter what it is. And I think just recognizing where you are and you can even make the same type of content, but maybe just go about it in a different way. And it's also understanding yourself more than anything, but it is definitely a hard world to figure out. I remember, I don't know if you remember this conversation, but she was

probably 16. She had just turned 16 and she was talking about being worried about she was like, you know, the face of like this, these young Gen Z, fresh face kids and getting stuck in that and like having to feel like she had to be perfect all the time and like sweet. And, you know, she made a, like rolled her eyes like, oh, she can't do that. That's not what we know of her. And I remember telling her, I said, you know, just over his. history, people, these young actors age up and people don't like it when it happens overnight. Nicole Colkin. I mean, I remember when it happened with Miley Cyrus when she was like done with Hannah Montana and she was just herself and people have a hard time adjusting. I said, you just need to

live your life. They'll adjust. I kind of look at it as a, and I, did you say this, as a Zendaya. She grew up over time. She grew up with herself. She grew up within her fashion choices. She grew up within what she chose to do with her career. And it was in a way where it wasn't like she was a different version of herself. She was just growing up with the time and you were watching it.

It was just what was going on. And no one questioned it. And I think you've done a good job at that too. Are you saying there's a segment of the audience that didn't want the change? You have to be the same thing. They don't understand the involvement. And then in a way they're commenting writing

and like you've changed. I mean even now I get the whole like we miss 2019 Charlie and it's like I was 15 I was 15 like I'm obviously not I hope I would not be the same person that I was I hope I'm not the same person in three years I hope that I grow and change and become more of an adult like I don't want to be stuck at that 15 year old mark where I still have no idea what I'm doing I think that it's important to grow up and I also think that people that watching should encourage that rather than be upset with change within a person. That's a very mature perspective. Sounds like your mom has been talking to you a lot. That's a great

perspective to have it. Exactly. If the audience, the audience is going to have to adjust. And if they don't adjust, then you'll find, like, you know what I mean? They're just going to have to deal with it. People grow up. Who is the most shocking major celebrity that you have met in this industry that you're just like obsessed with that you couldn't believe that you met. Well my favorite. Yeah, who's your favorite? Has to be Drew Barrymore because I grew up watching her and we, right? E.T. So we were on her show recently and she was everything I would ever imagine her to be the sweetest and like funny and cool and beautiful and it was just, I was kind of having my moment. Yeah, she really is.

special. She's a very, she has the kindest heart out of anyone ever and it's always very refreshing getting to talk to her. I would say it's really hard. I feel like I've met so many amazing people and sometimes I just don't talk about it just because it's like, you know, I feel like it's so weird to be like, oh, I met this person. Because I also don't want to seem like a fans so they like me. But you know, I don't want them to be like, oh, this girl's weird. But I've been able to meet a lot of cool people. I mean, Jennifer Lopez, I would say, Jordan Sparks was actually, I was a huge fan of her when I was younger. So now getting to be on the show with her is pretty insane. But there's like a list of people where sometimes I have to look back and be like, I'm pretty cool.

I appreciate how humble you're being. But even like doing this show, we've done so many. And sometimes you're sitting with someone in the studio and it's weird to like, you almost sometimes have like, like Pinterest or something like, whoa, this is weird that I'm the person talking to this person. And how did I even get in this situation? Yeah. We just had Rob Dyerdick in the studio. Oh, yeah. There's no way that you know who that is.

He was. He was. Do you know Robin? Like Robin Big, fantasy factory. No, she's too young. Yeah, ridiculousness. Oh, yes. Oh, she does.

So anyways. But that's like, that was like my, our generation, right? And so, and it was weird because we just had an hour and, like, right before you guys had an hour and a half conversation. And I'm sitting there talking to this guy. And again, like, I am a fan of him. and I do admire everything he's done, but then at the same time, we're having like a peer-to-peer conversation. And it is a weird moment sometimes because you sit there and you're like, how the hell did I get here?

And why is this? Like, why am I the one doing this? Yeah, I feel like it's more of a respect thing. Like, I am a fan of you because I respect what you do and respect the person you are. So I don't know. I try to like figure out where I kind of land and all that stuff. But it's definitely, sometimes it's a little, you were right in front of me. That's pretty weird.

I know your big one, but I don't think you would say it. So tell us. Tell us about your fragrance. It smells so good. I don't wear deodorant. And so Michael's thrilled that you brought me this. Tell me how you pick the scent. It's beautiful. The bottle, everything. Thank you. So originally I wanted a scent that was every day, fresh, clean, you know, can just be a kind of like, this is what I smell like every single day. That was my thing. I didn't want it to be. I don't know. I grew up. My dad had like a special occasion cologne. And that was like very... No, it was a special occasion, Cologne, Mom. It was like, whenever we were going to like a

nice dinner or something, he would like wear this cologne that I just remembered really well. But then every day he would just smell like my dad. And I kind of liked that. I never had a signature smell. Yeah. So, coming up with Born Dreamer, I wanted something like that that I could

wear every day. And I mean, I wear this. I'm wearing it now. I wear it on red carpets. I wear it on dancing with the stars. But I also wear it when I'm getting ready for a Zoom call, even though no one's going to spell me. So it's like It's kind of my little safety thing that is like, I feel ready. I feel good. And it took a long time to, you know, get it to where it is, but I wanted simplistic, pretty.

Like, I wanted it to be that kind of icing on the cake once you're ready. And then the bottle I wanted a very sleek, simple design that isn't too flashy, but is also just really pretty. And you could just have in your room, I have like 20. my room now. I have to tell you, it smells really, really good. Thank you. Michael, smell this. I like, I can smell. I have to tell you, I'm like very impressed with the smell. Thank you. Like, it smells good. And I'm pretty picky. Like after I got pregnant, you might know this. You know how you get like really sensitive to smell? Yes. This smells really good. Yay. Everything smelled like metal for like six months. So I'm liking the smell. And she went to south of France. She went to the flower fields.

And I mean, this is not just kind of manufactured for her. This is her own little baby here she created. Well, good for you because it sounds like you're on an incredible trajectory and you have a great mom. You guys, thank you so much for coming on. I mean, I'm going to ask you where everyone can find you, but they're probably already following you guys. But just pimp yourself out. Where can everyone buy your perfume, Born Dreamer? Let's go through the list.

You can buy Born Dreamer at Alta Beauty and Morphy's stores as well as DuGloss coming soon. Social Tourist at the Social Tourist pop-up store or at any Hollister. The D'Milio show is on Hulu. You could find me at Charlie DeMilio on everything. I'm Heidi D'Milio on everything and Dancing with the Stars on Monday nights and vote for us. Go vote, you guys. All right, I'm tuning in.

It's been a few years since I've tuned in to dance with stars, but I'm tuning in. It's such a good show. Thank you both for taking the time. connection point before I can watch a lot of things. So like whenever I have, whenever somebody comes on there, I'm like, now I have the connection point. You also have to be like relevant to your daughter. So you have to be on the pulse with what young kids are doing. So what?

She's going to be dancing TikTok. You never know. We'll see. Well, I got to call you guys a person. I got to call you up personally. I got to call you up person. I got to call you up first ever fragrance venture. Thank you both.

Thanks for having us. Yay. Do you want to win a bottle of Charlie DeMilleo's first ever fragrance venture? It's called Born Dreamer. It's available at Ulta. It smells so good. Like, I'm obsessed with it. Like I said, on my vanity. I'm picky when it comes to fragrance, too. All you have to do is tell us your favorite part of this episode on my latest post on Instagram at Warren Bostic. And tell your friends about the podcast, write a review, and have so much fun on Halloween.