The Bossticks - Cheryl Hines On Acting With Larry David, RFK Jr.'s Vision, & Advice For Non-Toxic Living

Episode Date: January 16, 2025

#797: Join us as we sit down with Cheryl Hines – Emmy Award-nominated actress, director, & producer, best known for her iconic role on Curb Your Enthusiasm. Cheryl shares her incredible journey, from her early days as an aspiring actress to becoming a standout star on one of America's most beloved shows. She also shares insights about her life as the wife of lawyer & former 2024 U.S. presidential candidate, & U.S. Secretary of Health & Human Services nominee, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. In this episode, Cheryl opens up about behind-the-scenes moments on set, her experiences working with Larry David, pivotal moments in her career, navigating cultural & political differences in relationships, & her dedication to healthy non-toxic living.  To connect with Cheryl Hines click HERE To connect with Lauryn Bosstick click HERE To connect with Michael Bosstick click HERE Read More on The Skinny Confidential HERE To Watch the Show click HERE For Detailed Show Notes visit TSCPODCAST.COM To Call the Him & Her Hotline call: 1-833-SKINNYS (754-6697) This episode is brought to you by The Skinny Confidential Head to the HIM & HER Show ShopMy page HERE to find all of Michael and Lauryn's favorite products mentioned on their latest episodes. Visit shophinesyoung.com and use code SKINNY for 30% off all products.  This episode is sponsored by The Skinny Confidential Optimize your daily beauty routine. Shop Beauty Water (one day) EARLY at ShopSkinnyConfidential.com.  This episode is sponsored by Vivrelle Go to vivrelle.com and apply for a membership today using code SKINNY for 30% off 4 months of membership - the code will also allow you to skip the Vivrelle waitlist. This episode is sponsored by The Farmer's Dog Get 50% off your first box of fresh, healthy food at TheFarmersDog.com/skinny. Plus, you get FREE shipping!  This episode is sponsored by Squarespace Head to squarespace.com/SKINNY to save 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain using code SKINNY. This episode is sponsored by Seedlip Start the New Year right by visiting seedlipdrinks.com and entering the code SKINNYCONFIDENTIAL to get 20% off your purchase.  This episode is sponsored by Hiya Health We've worked out a special deal with Hiya for their best selling children's vitamin. Receive 50% off your first order. To claim this deal you must go to hiyahealth.com/SKINNY. This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp Visit BetterHelp.com/SKINNY today to get 10% off your first month. Produced by Dear Media  

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Today we're sitting down with Cheryl Hines. Cheryl is an Emmy Award nominated actress, director, and producer. She's best known for her iconic role on Curb You Enthusiasm, playing Larry David's wife. I'm sure many of you know her from that. She also happens to be the wife of Robert F. Kennedy Jr. And on this episode, we're talking all about behind the scenes on Curb. We're talking about working with Larry David, pivotal moments in her career, how people can navigate a career in acting. navigating the cultural and political differences in relationships and her dedication to healthy and

non-toxic living. This episode is very well-rounded. We go all over the place as usual. Really enjoyed getting to know Cheryl and being able to speak to her on so many different things. Lauren and I are huge fans of her work on Curb and have watched every single episode from every single season. With that, Cheryl Hines, welcome to the Skinny Confidential, him and her show. This is the Skinny Confidential, him and her. Let's get the lay of the land with you. Okay. When did you know when you were little that you wanted to act?

Or was this something later on? I always knew. I always knew when I was young. I mean, my sister and I would do sketch shows for my parents, inspired by Carol Burnett. I mean, we watched that. And then when I was in middle school, I started, you know, doing school plays and stuff.

and then high school I was very serious about it. So were you like so serious that you're like, I'm going to Los Angeles serious? Are you serious? Like I want to do theater? What kind of serious? Where did you grow up? I grew up in Florida.

Okay. You told me, sorry, you mentioned that when you came in. I grew up in Florida. I grew up in Tallahassee, mostly. I knew that I wanted to make a living as an actor. But I did not have a clear plan. But I, so after high school, I didn't think I wanted to go to college.

So I went to beauty school. I got my cosmetology license and I cut hair. And then all my friends were in college and I thought, oh, what am I, are they going to be smarter than me when they get out? So I decided, okay, I should go to college. And I put myself through college. I majored in television production and minored in theater. And then that was in Florida, I mean, Orlando.

And then a few years later, I packed up my Toyota Tercell and headed to Los Angeles. When you moved here, was it overwhelming with auditioning? I've heard a lot of different stories where people say you get a lot of nose before you get a yes. Well, I didn't even have the opportunity to audition. I didn't have an agent. I was really starting from scratch, which most actors are. I mean, everyone starts from scratch doing whatever they're going to do.

So when I came here, I was bartending at a hotel downtown, trying to get in. agent sending my head shots and resumes back in the olden days. And then I started taking classes at the Groundlings Theater that does improv and sketch. And that's really when my life changed. Who were you meeting at this at this groundlings? Because this is so many people like love this situation. Yeah, we had a bunch of people come on the show that have pursued a career acting and they like praise this place. Explain it to someone like me who has no concept of what this looks like. Is it a tiny room? Is it huge? Like, what's it look like?

It's a 99-seat theater on Melrose. Okay. It's red brick and it's cool and there's a live band that plays, you know, with the shows. So it's almost like watching Saturday Night Live, but you're in a little theater. And you're watching people improvise. You know, in front of your own eyes, you hear what the suggestion is. and then the next thing I know, you know, they're doing a scene or doing songs or doing dances.

And it's just, it's kind of mind-blowing when you first go there because you're watching it and you know, oh, they have to really know what they're doing to be able to do it so quickly. So you're able as a student to see the live edit of someone else on stage. So say Joe blows on stage and the teacher gives him the edit in live time. You're watching that. you're actually learning actively. Right. Right.

So when I started, Lisa Kudra was my first teacher. Yeah. She famous at the time? She was on Mad About You. Okay. I remember that show. Yeah, and I was starstruck just from that. And then after I was done with my class with her, she got friends.

So that was crazy. And when I was in going through the school there, Will Ferrell and Sherry O' Terry. you know, they, there's just some of the people, Mandy Sterling, that were performing. So I would just, was my, I was in heaven to just go and watch them. You're a looker. Are the guys asking you out, left and right? Be honest.

At the ground things? Yeah. Yeah. You're not going to say. If you have to think she's being humble, yeah. Well, I mean, you know, when you're doing it, when you're doing the, you're not, you're you're really just around that group all the time. So yes, was there some dating going on within the company? I'd say, yeah. When you did your first improv there or maybe like one of your improvs,

was there a moment that it was so overwhelming and so nervous? Do you remember a moment? Oh my gosh. I mean, that's a lot. Well, there's one moment that always stands out to me because, you know, you have to go through the whole school. So there are different classes. that you have to take and you have to pass and the teacher has to say, I think you should go to the next level. Or they cut you and they say, this isn't for you. Yeah. So by the time you are invited to the company, if you are invited to the company, you feel like, okay, I have a handle on this.

But one time, we were doing a live show and we were all up on the stage the whole time. So to end an improv that somebody is doing right in front of you, you clap your hands, they freeze, and then you go in and take their place and start a different improv. So we were doing this show and there were only two girls in the show and the rest were guys. And all the guys ended up doing this big song and they are dancing and this huge hilarious improv. And my friend and I were looking at each other like, oh my gosh, we have to clap them out because it can't go on. And we're the only two left. And so we clap and that ended and the, you know, audience went crazy. Then we go out on stage and one of the number one rules of improv is make eye contact with your partner because you're looking to see.

That's stressful too because we don't know the partner. You're kind of like, well, you're hoping, oh, I hope you have an idea. So we're both looking at each other and we're acting like we're drinking tea and we're just waiting for the other person to say something first. And we both had nothing. And we just sat there drinking invisible tea for so long. And at one point, what's fun about doing it live is the audience, no. I mean, they just watched this huge production and now these two and we're just drinking tea. Is it so embarrassing?

No, you learn not to get embarrassed. Okay. Because that's also what's hard about improv because you have to make a choice in the moment. And it's not always going to be right. And it's okay. Sounds like life. Yeah, it is life. It sounds like this show.

Sometimes I think about saying things. I don't know if I should say that. Your experience in college sounds different than Michael's. He was singing and dancing in a different way, probably making. it in a fraternity doing something weird. It's a little different. It's a little different. Don't take a real picture of me.

I just share. We're going to get to know each other first. She's like learning all these things. I want to hear it. I want to hear it. You're singing and dancing in a fraternity. She wasn't there at all. No, I can just imagine.

Told her. No, I don't tell her anything either. She just, she's got all these crazy ideas. I was basically studying to be a preacher and a priest. And I was like, and I was like a choir boy. So you weren't singing in dance? You were singing in the choir. It's hard for me to recollect those times.

You were wearing a kilt singing and dancing. It's the same kind of thing. It's just a different, different. Do you not wear anything under your kilt? You don't have to answer that. Answer it. It doesn't really go with the kilt. I like to make the outfit appropriate.

If a guy came up to me in a kilt and hit on me with nothing under the kilt, I'm out. But you wouldn't know that there was nothing under it until it was going down a path. You'd find out eventually. I think there's just a lot. I like to really get into character when you're when you're at it's called the groundlings yes okay when you're at the groundlings is there a moment that was like a big break while you were there or did this not come tell later well I was in the groundlings when I was cast on curb your enthusiasm what year was that I can't believe that was 1999 we've seen every episode oh my gosh well it started as a one hour

special. So it was just going to be Larry David going back to doing stand-up. And they wanted to hire an unknown actress. Thank God I hadn't gotten any work until then. And I went in and it was all improvised, you know. I went in and improvised with Larry and then they told me I got the part later that day. Were you nervous improvving with Larry David or did you not overthink it. I didn't overthink it. I didn't really even know who he was. I mean, I knew that he created Seinfeld with Jerry Seinfeld, and that was, you know, amazing. And, but I didn't, I didn't know what he looked like. I didn't know anything about him. I get that. I didn't know who he, like, I didn't know, I couldn't picture him before that show either. Yeah. He wasn't

facing. No, no, he wasn't. So, and it wasn't, I find improvising in front of, of a live audience, very stressful. Yeah. So this was just like a little room like this, you know, where we're just talking. What's the improvise that you do with him the first time? Do you remember? Well, he, they told me that this was supposed to feel, it's, you know, it's supposed to look like a documentary and that I don't put up with Larry's bullshit and I'm married to him.

And we have kids. That's all I do. So I was like, okay. I went in and Larry said, oh, I'm. okay, let's just say we've got a couple kids. And just so you know, I don't eat chicken anymore. And all right, let's just start talking. I was like, okay.

So we started talking, we started talking about dinner. And I said, you know, oh, well, we're going to have roasted potatoes and green beans and chicken cacciatore. And he said, I don't eat chicken anymore. I just told you that. I said, no, you don't have to eat it. And he said, well, why are we having? I'm having chicken if I'm not eating. I said, because we still eat chicken.

You don't have to eat it. Don't worry about it. This went back and forth for a while. He asked me to do another one and he said, look, can I talk to you about something? I don't think you put enough milk in the kids cereal bowls. And I said, well, I cover the flakes. And he's like, well, can you just fill it up to the top? I said, no, I cover the flakes.

They're not, that's just a waste of milk. We don't need to fill up the whole. And that went on for a while. Okay. And that was it. That is amazing. And how much of the... That is such a funny thing to say.

How much of the rest of the show and the series and all the sequence seasons were things like that? Like how much did you guys improv? Because it feels like when you're watching it, like a lot of it is. All of it is. So we didn't have a script. We had a story outline, which was about five or six pages long. So he might say, scene one, Cheryl tells Larry, her parents. are coming to visit for two weeks.

And then that's it. That gives you a greater appreciation as a fan of the show. More of the show. Because you realize how... But that's why the show, I think, is so good. And it has such a different essence than other shows, because it really feels real. Yeah.

I had no idea that you guys were improvving. But now that you say that, like, I can understand why I like the show now. Yeah, because it definitely has a different feel. Some people, some people, it takes them a few episodes to sort of get used to that different rhythm. Because it's not like a bunch of writers in a room. They wrote a joke and then the audience laughs. It's not that.

Is the word you would describe it as dry? Is that the right word I'm looking for? How would you describe it? Yes, dry. Real? Real, yes. I mean, you know, and Larry would write a lot of stories based on true life. So he would carry around a pad of paper.

And any time something funny happened, he'd write it down. What's great about that? Well, we love it. It's things that I think we all think but don't have the courage to say out loud. Mm-hmm. Right. Is he really like the character and are you at all like your character? Larry always says, that's the version of him he'd like to be all.

the time, but he is a lot like that. You know, he is a lot like that. We went to lunch one day and he saw somebody that he went to school with, the college with. They said, hello, we went and sat down. And then Larry said, oh, I have to use bathroom. He said, okay, he goes, well, I don't want to get up. I have to walk by that guy again. I get it. And I was like, Larry, it's not a big deal. And he's like, yeah, no, we already said, what am I going to say? If I go over, oh hey hey college I was like just and then that's all we talked about

during lunch was well what if he is there a back exit could he go around and go around the building and I was just like I relate to that so much I relate to that so much yeah that's amazing. That's amazing like we talk about all the time or we've talked about it all

different in different iterations is when the episode where he sees the person in New York that's from L.A. And they guys like let's get together He's like, why would we ever get together? We don't get together in the city. We all know a person like that. We're like, you run into someone in Paris.

They're like, oh, my God, we should hang out. And you're like, but we don't hang out in Austin. Right. We already don't. Yeah, you're like, it doesn't. Yeah. What's happening? Yeah.

But Larry would say that out loud. And he would say that out loud in real life. Like, what do you say? Well, we, I hardly know you. We're not going to get together. We're not going to get together. He literally will say this in real life. Oh, yes, he will.

I love it. Yeah. It's radical honesty. It is radical honesty. It's refreshing. Mm-hmm. So how close to your character do you think you are? Well, I would say, you know, I'm not one usually to freak out if somebody tells me something or something that they've done that even if it's ridiculous, I'm pretty usually even healed about, you know, and I'll listen to what you have to say.

So I think in that sense, I'm pretty. close to Cheryl David. But, I mean, it was very hard to keep a straight face with some of the things that happened and people would say that, you know, in real life would really make me laugh. Who's one of your favorite characters that's like someone that we wouldn't expect on the show? I had so much fun when Sherry O' Terry was on, the second time I've said Sherry O'Terry. but she was this she was crazy which one is she in the cast oh well she was a guest star so we've had a lot of guest

star okay she's a guest um she played herself though yeah no I think she played a character which was also kind of odd okay because sometimes you have celebrities that were playing they're playing just themselves yes yeah and then you have like been spawn on who's playing a character. So it's, he mixes it up. Yeah, he mixes it up. It's like you just don't know what you're going to get kind of. No, you never know what you're going to get. So as the show went on and it gained so much popularity, were you shocked or did you believe that it was going to be successful from the beginning? Well, no. I mean, the first time I, the first day I shot, I was driving home thinking, I have no idea what kind of show this is going to be. I just stood in a kitchen and

talk to Larry about apples. And I don't know who's going to get this. And everybody got it. Everyone got it. Yeah, everyone gets it. Although no. Everyone gets it because it's like, I think it's. No, she's going to say people don't get it.

Well, like my mom. Oh, your mom doesn't get it. She's like, I don't think it's funny. Like, okay, well, I don't know if it was meant for you. Well, you know, it's like what I think is so funny about it is, again, it's what I said. It's the human experience that people aren't willing. to be honest about. Yeah.

You know, like, it's the, it's a thing everybody wants to say, but doesn't say out loud because of social norms. Well, Michael and I feel like we get in curb situations, which I'm sure, like, a lot of people listening feel like that too. And we'll always just put the soundtrack on, like, really quietly whenever we get into one. When something happens and it's like, this is like, it's so absurd. It's such a curve situation. And then you play the music.

Or sometimes, like, we won't say anything and we'll just put the soundtrack on it. And we're just like, how. How are we getting ourselves into this? Yeah, like, I remember we were eating dinner one time, and it was like, I was, early in our relationship, and it was like, I was trying to be romantic. I was trying to impress her. And there was, like, a, oh, I was just going to maybe here.

There was a girl that we knew, and she was, like, hanging over the glass. You know, sometimes there's a dividerer in the restaurants. And normally it's like, okay, just say hello. Right. But she finished, like, her whole thing. Just watching. Over our food, breathing. And didn't come and sit down.

Like a spit flight came in our drink, our margarita. So I remember eating the thing, like looking at Lauren, but then like going like this in the whole time. Does everyone do this to you and tell you their curvy situation? A lot of times. A lot of times. But, you know, it is funny because I found myself in a situation. It was in a department store. Mining my own business in the ladies' room.

And this older lady came out and she had like a long piece of toilet paper hanging out of her pants. And I said, excuse me. I just want to let you know, you've got some toilet paper. And she said, oh, can you get it? Oh, my God. And I was like, oh, no. I can't. So what did you do?

You didn't get it? I didn't get it. It's, well, it's dirty. It's like, who knows? It was up their ass? Was it on shoe? I know. But then my friend was like, said, oh, that was so rude of you.

You should have just made toilet paper mittens. Oh. And I was like, that's not rude either. I'll grab it with a giant water. It's almost. almost like an absurd question to even put someone in the position. My big thing in life and I say this all time is like I hate when people put me in the position where I have to be like the asshole. Because I will be and I don't I don't want to be. That's very Larry David. But I will be if you have to.

If I have to because it's like I think there's like a thing called self-awareness that a lot of people are just. Yeah. Sometimes I look at them like how are you how are you not aware that this is putting someone in a very awkward position. I kind of like it though because it keeps life interesting. Yeah. Like it's not boring. Like the toilet paper we're telling the story now you're telling it. Right. It's like it's definitely not boring. She was not a boring lady. Right. She's not in that moment. And sometimes it's so crazy that you just can't even believe it's happening. Yeah. I kind of love it. So to switch gears. Yes. Like I said, we're fans of the show. We watch every episode for a long time. We've been together for a long time. A hundred years. Yeah. And

And I'm somebody that I'm like blinders on. I'm not like paying attention. I don't really realize what's going on. And then this whole political season kicks up. And I see you with your now husband. And it really tripped me out because I knew you as an actress. And I don't, you know, as much as I'd like to say, I follow everybody's personal life. I had no idea.

And so I was like in one world and Lord will make fun of me. I'm on X or Twitter and I'm following all this stuff. And in the other world, I'm watching my shows. And I'm like, this was like a moment where everything collided. You were like, what is happening? It just convobulated me. It took me a second to understand. I need to get the lay of the land first.

Are you married at this point in curb? Or you said you have a 21-year-old. A 20-year-old. 28? 20. 20. Okay. How many kids do you have? Well, now I have seven.

Yeah, now you have a lot. I have my daughter and I have my stepkids. Okay. So at this point, though, you have one. And when you're doing curb? Well, when I started curb, I didn't have any. God, that's how long the show's been on? Oh, my gosh.

It just ended. How many years? Yeah, we started watching it in high school. 24 beers. That is so crazy. It is crazy. Is that the longest show that's ever been on television? I don't know, maybe.

But we took, there was one time when there were, I think, four years in between seasons. It's got to be one of the longest shows. Yes. Maybe not continuously. Right, right. So you had your daughter when you were doing the show. Yes. Okay.

And so you were not with Robert at this point, obviously. No. Okay. So when did you meet Robert? I don't even know what year it was. But Larry and Bobby are friends. And I went to... Still?

Yes, still. Although, there's a lot of political backdrop happening. But I went to a waterkeeper fundraiser with Larry and I met Bobby. And I, you know, I just met. him and it was nice and he was nice, but nothing showed up on my radar. He's, you know, a nice person and lived in New York. And years later, I got divorced and he was getting divorced and I saw him and I don't know. Like sparks. Sparks. Did he have sparks to you too? Yeah. Sparks. Yeah. Sparks. Did he have sparks to you too?

Mm-hmm. Yeah. Sparks. Yeah, which is really strange. Why? Well, because if you know somebody for years and there weren't sparks before. Well, maybe you were married, you just had like a blocker on and you were. Sometimes you just think something's like you don't even think about something because it's not possible.

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I mean, a lot of people don't get to see the funny side because he's always talking about very serious things. But he's very funny. And yeah, I mean, it was, I don't know, just sort of exciting. I'll say exciting because he was coming from this completely different world than I've been living in. Is that an intimidating world to step into just that background? in that family. The Kennedy background? Yeah, I mean, we've, you know, we've had people that are in that family on the show.

And I always wonder because it's not like the typical American family. Like that is like the American family. It's like it's kind of an intense thing. I think it probably would have been intimidating if I had met him in a different time in my life. But when I met him, I was an established actor. and I come from a big crazy family and I don't know, it didn't seem, I wasn't intimidated by it.

And maybe because I'm not in politics. Probably if I was maybe in that world, it might have been more intimidating, I don't know. That's how I would feel if I were you, like I just don't know enough about it to know. I'm not on X every single day, like, scolding the, I just don't. Doom scrolling.

I don't look at it as doom scrolling. I look at it as like there's just a lot of exciting stuff going on. Well, you know, I'm very excited about your husband and I've been public about it because I, we talk about on this show all the time, just health in general. We have two young kids. And I've, you know, been vocal and said like I think it should be bipartisan that everybody cares about the health of the country. I mean, we spend time. It's crazy to me. I mean, we spend some time in Europe.

And I say, go over there and we eat whatever we want, gruntlessly and have all. wine and all the stuff and come back and feel great. Holly's over there. She lives in Europe. And I come here and if I eat like that, like I'm done. And there's a problem. And so I, Lauren's like you're doom scrolling. I'm like, no, I'm excited because I think this is the first time in a while that this is becoming shows like this would be put on the fringe like, oh, why are you guys talking about raw milk and these topics and all this stuff? And where's something more people should be talking about that stuff. So yeah, I agree. And it's funny, even when I was driving over here, I was thinking about all of this. And I was thinking about exactly what you're saying, how maybe before

people might be criticized for being a health nut. Yeah, or like conspiracy. I mean, we've, we've gotten labeled, I'm sure, at times, like people like fringe people that are talking about the, I mean, the Wall Street Journal literally did a whole piece on Lauren about like raw milk. I'm like, people drink raw milk for thousands of thousands. It was just called milk back then. Right. You know? Right.

Which is, it is hard to understand why people aren't just excited to make changes and to, you're right, because in Europe, they have rules and laws about things that they do not put in their foods that America, or whatever reason, doesn't have. and they put a lot of stuff in our food, that probably does not need to be in our food. So at what point does he switch over from wanting to run for president to this role? Which, by the way, just I don't know a lot about politics, but this role is almost to me just as impactful as resident. It's like it's very, very important. It is very important.

And so, yes, Bobby started out running for president as a Democrat. And then the Democrats... Were you excited about that when that happened or were you like, oh, God. I wouldn't say. I was wondering... I was wondering, I was thinking about you during all of that again, because I was a fan. And I was like, oh, this must be a trip because I, I mean, that politics is in this country in particular is, I always wonder, I'm like, the people that go in,

that like that there it's a lot to go into it's a lot and they're like teflon these politicians i mean it it is fascinating to see you know things that they say about each other and then the next day they're working together and it you know i'm more sensitive where i would still be thinking oh my god i can't believe you said that yesterday um but they are um it can be very vicious I was, I can't say that I was excited about it because I also knew enough to know that there would be a lot of scrutiny, there would be a lot of attacks. Did you worry ever about personal safety during all that time? Oh my gosh, yes. Not just for him, but for you too.

Well, I was, I was going live on Instagram with a friend of mine from high school who was living in Florida. And we were talking about baking and we were talking about candles. We were having a lovely time and I was in my office and my office has, you know, windows. And I'm looking out in my backyard and this guy is just walking

from the backyard towards the house and I, and she said, are you okay? And I said, something's happening. Something's happening. I didn't want to panic. I was just like and she said, okay,

you need to go. I said, yes, I think I need to wrap it up. And then I saw our security guy approaching him. And I'm watching this all. And then he apprehends him. My friend said, is everything okay? And I said, you know what? It's okay. It's okay now. And then somebody in the living room said, somebody call 911. I'm like, okay, let's, yeah, let's wrap it up. Let's wrap it up. Oh, my gosh, you're talking about baking and candle. Yes. So that's why these worlds coming together are just, they're not worlds that usually come together.

But he's probably comfortable with it because he's been around it with all of his family. So it's probably like a second nature to him. This is probably just like par for the course. Yes. And he, for whatever reason, he's unafraid of almost everything. I don't know what he's. I can't even tell you one thing he's afraid of. I mean, he catches rattlesnakes.

You should say this about me. You don't catch rattlesnakes? How does he find rattlesnakes? Oh, they're in the canyon. They're on hiking trails. He hikes every day. Grab a snake by the head and... Yeah, the head and the tail.

This is what he does. You've seen him pick up a rattlesnake. Listen. I'm sure he... I'm sure there's a video out there of him. There are videos of him picking up rattlese. He knows... Yeah, I have seen him because there was one in our driveway.

Lauren, would you be more... attracted to me if I was just picking up more snakes. No, what I think is that hot? What I think is so great about him is he's talking about all these topics that no one wants to talk about, but we're all talking about behind closed doors. Right. And we all have questions as mothers.

Right. With the health of our children. Right. With what we're putting in our own body, I mentioned to you. Like, I, I'm crazy with how I run my environment, even when I'm in a hotel room. Like, we're all talking about this stuff behind closed doors. and he's someone who's brave enough to go out there and ask questions and put himself out there. And it's like when you put yourself out there, you're not going to get it right every single time,

but that he's just evolved and had momentum within that without worrying what anyone sort of thinks of him. That's what I get. Well, the thing that drives me. That is true. It's cool. He's not concerned with what people think of him. What drives me crazy about this country in particular is that everyone is aware that we have a health issue in the country, which is why we had such a rough time with COVID and many other things.

And you could see, you know, fertility rates and hormone levels and kids and obesity and all these things. So we're all on the same page there. But then these things get politicized. And because they get politicized, people shut down conversations that we should be having. Right. And that drives me nuts. Like I don't, I really don't care left, right, liberal, conservative, Republican Democrat. I just want to be able to talk about things that are clearly affecting everybody without the bias.

Right. Without being labeled as whatever that label might be. Yeah, it's really hard to get to the root of something. If any time you bring up an idea, someone labels you something and then just shuts down the conversation. I mean, there was a graph the other day that came out. And I don't know if this is exact, but it's like in 1986, there's like three or four vaccines for children under five. And then you look now and there's like 75. If you're going to tell me that I can't ask questions about that, as a mother of two children, I don't know what to say.

I have questions. Right. it is odd to me that people would criticize or shut down parents or mothers who want to know more. They want to know what's in things. They want to know if this is necessary. Is this healthy? What am I doing? I mean, listen, when you're pregnant, you're not supposed to drink caffeine and you're not supposed to eat tuna fish.

There are so many things that you're not supposed to do. And so then when somebody tells you, but you should get this, take this shot or whatever that looks like, while you're pregnant, that to me was wild. Yeah. And we criticize somebody who wants to ask about it. And not only that, and I don't know if this was your experience, I wasn't just criticized.

I was like, all was gaslit. Like, you're not. not going to, like, shamed. And then bringing the baby in after, you know, when they're so little and so perfect and sweet. And then you start asking questions there and you're like, you're gaslit too there. And it's almost like a weird thing. There's an element of being taken advantage of when you're in a weakened state of postpartum. It's very interesting to reflect on years later. And listen, I just think like we have to get to a place where we're able to ask these questions. It's like a no-brainer.

My dad's a little older now, and what I was telling him, because he was, you know, just wondering about all this stuff and what we talk about. And I was like, the, I'll just take a different topic. I was like, the school curriculum that I had and that he had is probably closer than what my kids now have. And the vaccine schedule that I had and that he had is closer than what my children have. And I was trying to explain, because he's looking at it from the perspective, like, oh, I had these and I'm fine. I'm like, yeah, but it's, you had five or six. Right. And I'm trying to explain.

And when I said, like, now you have grandkids. and this is the exercise, he's like now scratching his head as an older guy saying, well, why does that need to happen? Right. And that's the point. Right. I think a lot of the generation is like, well, I had it and everything's fine.

Yeah, but it's not the same. Even the food supply is not the same. Even the school curriculum is not. A lot of these things have just changed in the last couple decades. Yeah. So the people that went through either the school system or some of the medical system, what they got is what we got,

but what's not what our children are getting. Right. What has your experience been like in the last year from your perspective only. Like what would you when you talk to your daughter when she's older, when you,

I don't know, if you ever write a book, what has your experience been like? Because it's been a crazy year, I'm sure. You're like, let me pull out my scroll. Yeah. Where do I begin?

Well, it's been emotional. A lot of times. for me, I'm an emotional person, but even like you're talking about friends, people who don't want to have, they don't even want to have a conversation about something, whatever that is, the things that we've been talking about. That's been hard because some people I don't talk to as much. Do you have that conversation ahead of time with your husband and are you aware that this is like a potential outcome?

Yes. Yes. And then, you know, you have to really step back and say, okay, what are these friendships? And what you would hope is that you would have a friend who's a friend no matter what. And I do. I do have those friends. And then you have to say, okay, well, if this is separating us, you know, me and my friend, then maybe what was the friendship,

what was the friendship to begin with? But it's hard because it does happen all at once. I mean, people were angry when Bobby even said he was going to run against Biden. So angry. And people saying, you know, Biden's amazing. He's great. He's, you know, until he wasn't.

And then everybody turned. And, you know, so you never know what news is going to break, right? you never know what and and that that you know Bobby might be part of the conversation of the news that's going to break all of it right so it's Biden and Harris and then Trump and then you know Trump was shot and that was you know it's you just don't know what's going to happen next and it's and I used to see these things from a different lens, right? Where it's like, whoa, the, the, those people. Yeah, different world.

You see it from the lens that we see it from. Right. You're scrolling and you're like, whoa. Yeah, more than just cruising around. Yeah. It's not directly. Right. As much as people would like to believe that all these things are directly acting

their life, a lot of times are much further removed than we care to admit. Yeah. So, so when things are unfolding like that and you're in the middle of it, I mean, it's interesting. And then, yeah, then Bobby did get Secret Service after the Trump assassination attempt. We ran into him actually right before that because we have a mutual friend, Dennis, who fixes my neck, and he was there. And I think we had you guys scheduled. I know. And then, and then everything. Well, he had some other things going on, like, you know, endorsing Trump. But I remember when that happened, I still have the little.

button he gave me, but we, but I remember at the time, I was like, okay, there was some security, but it wasn't, it wasn't that security. Yeah. So at some point, we had, yeah, Secret Service. And then it's just, you know, it's a, what's that process like? You know, you're, you're writing in a car with police cars and motorcycles, you know, police, motorcyclists. And there are lots of code words. Everybody has a code name. It makes for, oh, you know, can you just pull into CBS? I need to get some throat lozenges or something. And they come in with you and they're looking around and they have to, you know,

or you go to a hotel and they have to clear the room. And so there's, it's, it can be a lot. But also, also exciting. Never dull. Very interesting. Was it exciting when everything came to fruition and it was announced? Was that exciting for you? Or is that like another like lily pad that you're like, hold on, I have to just get my bearings?

No. At every, all of those big moments, I had to get my bearings. Yeah. Because I, because Bobby has been working so hard for so long on all of these issues that are really important. And for him to be able to have a voice in an administration. would be so important. So and at the same time, it's,

you're still talking about politics and people are mean, people are vicious, people are angry, people are, you know, and for all of those people, there are 10 people

who are nice and supportive and really have been so kind and nice to Bobby, but also to me, so. Yeah, we have like political,

correspondence and hosts on the show and I always say at the end I'm like are you guys like you do this and then you get back and after is it like good game that was it's kind of like a little like there's some people that really don't like each other but it but the large majority that would come on so like yeah it's like they're doing their thing we're doing our thing and at the end of the time it's professional I imagine though for

for you what's so crazy is it's not like with like acting or with what we do where you could call a colleague and like ask for advice on this like it's a very unique right Yes, world. It's your own specific point of view, and it's like how do you even get advice or talk about it to someone that really can't even understand? Right, right.

Well, I have a best friend, and we talk all the time. But yeah, you have to really paint the picture of what's happening because how could anybody know what it feels like to be in the, Secret Service Motorcade when you, you know. Well, that's why I want to ask you because I imagine it's just like, it's one of those experiences that's like almost you can't quite describe it unless you've done it. Right, right. You know, the first time I was walking with the security team, it did feel like a scene from a movie.

Yeah. You know, we're walking through, you walk through all the back hallways of hotels and restaurants and suddenly they open a door and all the people are in there already. you know, whatever it is, if it's a reception, a party, or if you're at a restaurant, they open a door and they'll say this is your booth, you know, and then you think, where are we? How did we get here? Do people come up to your table, or are they respectful? People come up to our table a lot.

People really love Bobby. They're looking at what you guys are eating. That's the first thing I would do I'd be like, what are they eating? No, I just don't bobby. I said you are never going to be able to eat a donut. That's the first thing I'm looking. I'm not looking at his face.

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Because you guys are going to be like this, on this pedestal for health and wellness. Is this something that you've also been passionate about? Are you just thrown into this world? Like, have you? Well, I would say that, It's, I like to think I lead a pretty healthy lifestyle. So it wasn't like I was eating at McDonald's every day and then suddenly it's like, well, I got to pull it back.

But Bobby is much more, I'll say, active than me. I like Pilates. I like yoga. I like if I do a little dance class. And I, you know, I work out when I want, when I feel like it. And he, every morning is going hiking. to the gym every day. And he is,

and he loves all of the, the sauna, the cold plunge, which by the way, I don't want to be that uncomfortable. I don't want to sit in a cold tub. I think you'd like the cold if you do. Lauren likes the cold.

You do? Did you like it from the beginning? I love it. Have you tried it before? I love it. I just dip my finger in and I think, I'm not in the mood. I have maybe a little bit of an addiction going on.

I like, It's sitting there for like four minutes. She can do it longer than me, for sure. And what do you like about it? It does something for my nervous system where it, to me, it's very mental. So I feel like it's the hardest thing I'm going to do all day. And if I do that, I can get through anything. It clears the windshield wipers for me.

And the pain is so intense that when you get to the other side, it's really worth it. It's kind of like a drug a little bit, I guess. Wow. I love it. And does it release endorphins? Sure. Yeah. I love it.

That's like eating hot sauce. I'll just eat hot sauce. Okay. You get endorphins from it. And it's painful. You can't do that. I can't do that. What can you do?

No. Well, I can do things. But I went to Thailand with her one time and I again, I was trying to take her out to these. And I was just sweating the whole time and just miserable. She was just like eating everything. I'm intense. It sounds like it. Yeah.

I like intense things. So I relate to him with his cold plunge sauna. It shakes it up. Yeah. But if you, she's like got a little bit of like, I don't know what's going on with her. She has to take everything to the max. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, that's how Bobby is. Yeah. I think there's always got to be one. One in the group. If two were in the group, it's trouble. Yeah. If we were both that and we're competing with each other. And you're both jumping off cliffs.

But that's, that's, I wanted to say this when you brought up some of your friends, I wanted to say to you like the ones that have stopped being your friend or moved away or whatever they've done, how boring is it to sit at a table with everyone that agree with. I know. This is what I don't understand. Just because Sally thinks this doesn't mean Susie can't think that and you can still be friends. Right. I wish that we got to a point like that. Like I just don't, I don't, I want to, and I always say this, want to sit at a dinner table with all these different colorful people who have different opinions and can talk about it. And like, let's, let's converse about it. It doesn't have to be so. It doesn't have to be an

argument. Yeah. It doesn't have to be, oh, you have to think my way or you're an idiot. And by the way, that's fun. A lot of people think that way. The one thing, too, that I agree. I mean, listen, we all engage in this world and quote unquote Hollywood. And the one thing that drives me nuts is there's also the certain friends and certain people that are super supportive about what you're doing but won't vocalize it or say it because they don't. You know what I mean?

Like, do you even just show not at the scale that the platform that you guys have built, but there are certain people that will love some of the things. But I can never tell people that I want. And I'm like, thanks for letting me know, but it would be a lot more helpful if you were just like, Like saying that it's okay. I'm sure you've experienced that with people. Well, yeah. And especially in this town, this town, you know, in Los Angeles, it's people are very passionate about their political beliefs.

And I hadn't noticed. But a lot of people have come up to me privately and will say, I love what your husband's doing. You know, and they'll, but they don't, you know, they don't want to say it out loud. And that's okay too. You don't have to. But it is kind of, like you're saying, it's disappointing that people can't just talk. Well, I think it's part of the problem. And just in this world in general is that, and I've said this for so many years on this show,

is like we've gotten to a place where people are scared to vocalize what they think and how they feel. They're scared to ask questions. They're scared to stand out and be different. And I think, like, what's really important to us doing this is we're not scared. scared to do that and not either scared to look stupid or say something that maybe people will disagree with. Because I think you need people doing this and being outspoken in order to let other people know it's okay and to get them. Because the problem is like these conversations are all taking place behind closed doors anyway. I don't think the election changed a lot of people's opinion. I mean, maybe it did. This one may be in particular. But I think there was a lot of people that thought a certain way going into it and just were quiet about it. And the whole thing is like you're not going to get to the root of good ideas unless people are willing to share those ideas. Right, right. You know? I agree.

And I do think, and maybe I'm wrong, but it does feel like there's a shift happening, at least with the idea that, yes, we're an unhealthy nation, and we have an obesity problem, we have issues. And I think a lot of people are joining that, movement, if you will, saying, yeah, something's not right. How can we do things better?

How can we eat better? Which is hard. It's hard for a lot of people to even find fresh, healthy food. But in a civilized, evolved country, like, it shouldn't be like laser tag trying to figure out which bread you can eat. No, you're right. Or which pasta is okay. Cheryl, I have a prediction. Okay.

I think in five years. Oh, God. You're going to receive so many apologies. Maybe less. Wow. Oh, my gosh. Can we come back here and? Yeah, come back.

And you're going to say 75% of the people have apologized because I think people are so reactive right now and so frenetic that they can't even think logically. Yeah. And once they start to think logically, hopefully that they will come around and see like, it's about the health. Yeah. And they'll... And how can that be bad? And they'll apologize. So all you should do is just wait in your house on your Instagram live. With your candle. With my candle.

Okay. Let's talk about your line, which is so, to me, synergistic with what Bobby's doing. Tell us about why you decided to create this with your daughter. Well, I started this company, Heinz and Young, with my daughter, Catherine Young, who, she, She was at the time getting ready to graduate from high school and I was so sad about the idea of her leaving. So I thought, well, how can I keep her close? And I asked her if she wanted to start a company and she said, sure. I'm going to literally copy you and do that with my daughter. And we both really love the beach.

And we really wanted to move away from plastics. So you probably know that the cosmetic industry and every industry is just a lot of plastics and a lot of single-use plastics. So we thought, why can't we make a really clean product and do it in a cute way that doesn't use single-use plastics? So we did. And then we had a lot of fun coming up with the phrase. is because they were they're based on different beaches that we love. Key West Sunset, so the candle that we have, see, it's supposed to smell like vacation. Maybe that's why I've been so relaxed on this episode.

It's a beautiful candle. And you know what's, I was telling you off air, I'm so sensitive with my nose and I got to smell everything and everything smells. This is so weird. It smells easy on the nervous system. Yeah. It doesn't feel overwhelming. Yes.

You have this beautiful body cream that I'm going to try on my son. I also was wondering if I can use this on maybe his, like, diaper. Do you think I can use it on his butt? I do because you can look up the ingredients and see. It looks amazing. Yeah, it's all really clean stuff. And the number one ingredient in our ultra-lux body cream is organic aloe. It smells so good.

I have it on my hands right now. And doesn't it feel good? It's beautiful. And it also, like, makes your hands look younger. I know that's weird, but the candle smells absolutely beautiful. If they were to start with one product from your line, I would say the ultra-bodylux cream just because it's amazing. What would you pick?

What's Bobby's favorite? Bobby uses the ultra-lux body cream unscented on his face. Because you were asking about it. Have you gifted this to Trump? No, I haven't. This would be a good gift for Trump. Nice little face cream. Well, because, you know, I don't think he has a skincare routine.

I think this would be nice. for him. What if he takes out the wrong way? You know what I was excited about? I was hoping that this new administration would, I've heard rumors that they might open it up to podcasts and then Lauren can go there and ask all the guys what their skin curve routines are. Instead of getting to the root of what's going on.

You say, excuse me Mr. President. I want to interview everyone on the chess board there. And I have a different perspective and different questions. And I also think like all these guys are going on all of these big named men podcasts. Yes. We have a woman-based audience. No offense, Michael.

Sorry, I hate to break it too. I like talking to women. It would be interesting to get these guys on the mic and for me to be able to be like, watch your skincare routine. Don't you think it would have been an even bigger landslide if these guys had a good skincare routine? They would have presented much clearer and cleaner.

And people could really look at them. Whoever's got the best skincare routine. The best skin. Yeah, the best. If you guys want the linen spray that Cheryl, Larry David, and Bobby Kennedy are using on their pillow. You should go shop Heinz's Indian Capri Honeymoon Spree Honeymoon Spray, which is absolutely beautiful. I'm going to spray it on my pillow tonight. You have to shake it because there's no preservative. Yes,

I love our candles. There's a big ceramic candle. I don't know why my assistant didn't put it in there. But I have sort of trained myself. at the end of the day when, because I have a hard time sleeping. I have a hard time turning everything off. I can imagine. It's a lot. So there's something about actually having a candle, striking a match, lighting the candle that tells me, okay. And also when you have one that has no hormone disruptors.

Yes. Because I just learned that there is so much formaldehyde in most wicks. Right. these are cut in wicks just so you know. That's the best. But yes. And you can smell something when there are so many chemicals that you don't even know. But I'm like you, I have that.

You're sensitive. Yeah, I would rather not light a candle that's. I'm the same way. Everyone thinks I'm crazy. And like air fresheners that you plug in or something. One time we rented a house, this was my worst nightmare. First of all, you're never allowed to rent a house. house unless I'm involved ever again. He rented a house for like a month in San Diego and we

walked in and I swear to God in every single plug in the entire house, I'd say there was probably 80. No, no, there was. Was a Fabrease. There was a glade or something plug in. Lilac glade plugin. It was in every room. I couldn't breathe. We had a giant trash bag of the plug-ins and we, like, I'm not kidding, it was like the whole thing. And it's so weird. You take it out of the house and immediately you can feel a difference. It is so weird. Yeah. Yes.

You got to get your candle. You know, we had our friend. It's the one that we're burning right now is the Key West Sunset, by the way, and she's right. It does smell like vacation. Our friend Chervine came on the show,

and we were talking about just scents in general with all these like plug-ins and things of people. And it's like, well, why are we trying so hard as a population to mass like these smells? Like, what is the smell. Wait, what's the problem. Yeah, we should get to the root of what else's going on.

Right. Bobby's working on it. Bobby's working on it. That actually reminds me of an old Seinfeld bit that he used to, from his stand-up where he said, you know, what's the deal with stain sprays? This will get out blood from your clothes. And he said, don't you have bigger problems if you have blood on your clothes? Yeah. But that reminds me of that.

Let's get to the root. Michael's never experienced blood on his clothes like a girl. I've experienced blood on my clothes, but for different reasons. All right. Yes. Maybe it was in your kilt. Grab a snake wrong. In your kiln.

Yes. Cheryl, where can everyone shop the products? The one I like you guys again, it's called the ultra-lux body cream. That's really nice. Well, we have a website, Heinz and Young. And also we're on Amazon. Love it. Yeah.

And you guys gave us Code Skinny for 30% off. Yes. To go shop. Candle, Key West Sunset, and Ultra Lux Body Cream and then the Capri Honey, the Capri Honeymoon linen spray. Those are the ones. Those are your highlights, but they're all good. And I know I keep saying it, but the unscented is really nice, too.

If you like unsented. If one likes sense. I like unsented too, but I like that. I don't mind the scent. Oh, I love it. No, this scent is really beautiful. But the unscented is nice, too, if one wanted to wear perfume. But I'm getting the vibe that you're not a perfume wearer.

I would wear this. This is weird as a perfume. That's what I do. This is what I would wear the lotion. I don't want to smell stronger. No. I always have immediate regret when I put on perfume. Every single time.

He puts on perfume. I can't smell anything. Just people overdo it. It's like one far spray away. I actually have a bone to pick about this. Okay, do it. Oh, she'll just go off now. I actually think it's unselfaware.

You guys should do a curb on this. To where to, like I think. I think it's like insulting. It's very presumptuous. I'm going to smell great and everybody's going to love it. And I'm going to walk in the room and take over the whole room. Yeah. And it's, let me tell you, especially guys, I don't want to be able to smell you when I'm three feet away.

If I'm up in your grill making it, if you share a little neck smell. Right. I don't want to smell you when like there's food around. It's too much. Yes. Too much. I agree. I don't wear anything.

The only time I will wear something is Michelle Piper came on. She has that Henry Rose. Henry Rose. It's non-toxic. But there's no, she was like one of the first companies to do that in fragrance

without any disruptors. She's got some nice stuff. But I've gotten used to just kind of. I seriously am so bothered by every scent and they smell so good. I'm just raw dogging. Is that what they call? Is that what they call?

I don't know if that's what they call, but yes, let's say that. Free ball in it. Nothing. No, no sense. Oh, like the kilt. Yeah. Wait, you never answered the kilt.

I did not wear anything. under the kilt, Cheryl, if you need to know. Now you know. Now you know. That was not me. I had the quilt, but it was a long enough kilts. I'm not wearing a miniskirts. But because you're not supposed to, right? No, what am I going to, that's kind of weird. I'd have like long boxer shorts. If you came

up to me at a party in a kilt, it would have, our whole lives would be different. I don't like to meet women for the first time and lead with, I don't wear underwear in the couple. Now we've known each other for about an hour so I can tell you. What else do you want to know? No, I think that's, listen, I think if that's the way

it was intended to be worn and that's what you have to do. I have some Scottish ancestry and I felt like I should honor it. If we ever get into politics I'm sure they'll pull all kinds of things out of your closet. Oh yeah, that clip will come out.

My plan if I ever get into politics is to use this show to throw it all out there so that when they try to find the dirt it's like I've already got all the dirt. There's nothing left. They're going to pull this clip and be like we can't have a guy

in office that doesn't wear underwear with a kid. He already admitted it. You know, it's like I'm out there because I think that's the problem, right? It's like get it all out. Right. It's out.

I feel like that's a superpower. Just like throw it all out there. Shop Heinz-Young.com's code skinny for 30% off. Where can everyone find you if they have questions, drop into your DMs? Say something positive. I am on Instagram at underscore Cheryl Heinz. And you're doing Instagram lives about baking and candles, which is so sweet and cute. And I love that for you.

In between home invasions. In between home invasions, yes. It's amazing. All right, Cheryl. Thank you. I'm glad we got to do this. you'd like. Thank you so much. I'm going to come check in with you guys.

Anytime you want to come on. After things get started in January. Let's do a little check-in and see where we are, what progress has been made. I'll be on X up in real time. Oh, my God.