The Bossticks - Cindy Crawford - The Icon & Legendary Supermodel On Life's Reflections, Health, Wellness, Beauty, & Diet

Episode Date: July 29, 2024

#732: Today we're sitting down with Cindy Crawford. Cindy is known to the world as one of the original supermodels who defined that pivotal moment when fashion models became stars in their own right. We discuss her journey from a small town in Illinois to becoming an industry icon, her ventures into television and media, parenting, advice for young professionals, the importance of being present, engaged, and off the phone, and how to be mindful of your intentions.    To connect with Cindy Crawford click HERE   To connect with Lauryn Bosstick click HERE To connect with Michael Bosstick click HERE Read More on The Skinny Confidential HERE To Watch the Show click HERE For Detailed Show Notes visit TSCPODCAST.COM To Call the Him & Her Hotline call: 1-833-SKINNYS (754-6697) This episode is brought to you by The Skinny Confidential Head to the HIM & HER Show ShopMy page HERE to find all of Michael and Lauryn's favorite products mentioned on their latest episodes.   Visit meaningfulbeauty.com/skinny for 25% off your order.   This episode is brought to you by Prolon   Prolon is offering The Skinny Confidential listeners 15% off their 5-day nutrition program. Go to ProlonLife.com/SKINNY.   This episode is brought to you by Lipton Green tea is a great ally for wellness and a simple way to up your everyday healthy habits. Try the new Lipton Green Tea!   This episode is brought to you by Arrae Visit arrae.com and use code SKINNY to receive 15% off your first purchase or autoship order plus 4 free Bloat travel packs. This episode is brought to you by Sun Bum Visit sunbum.com and use code SKINNY at checkout for 15% off your first purchase. This episode is brought to you by Philadelphia Cream Cheese   Philadelphia makes everything creamier. Visit creamcheese.com for recipe inspiration and so you can start adding Philadelphia to your recipes at home!   This episode is brought to you by ResortPass   Visit Resortpass.com/skinny to get $20 off your first ResortPass experience.   Produced by Dear Media

The following podcast is a dear media production. She's a lifestyle blogger extraordinaire. Fantastic. And he's a serial entrepreneur. A very smart cookie. And now Lauren Everts and Michael Bostic are bringing you alone for the ride. Get ready for some major realness. Welcome to the skinny confidential, him and her.

I think fame kind of, for me anyway, it wasn't like one big moment. it just was like creeping up on you, but certainly doing things like the Pepsi commercial for the Super Bowl that was big because, again, it wasn't just a fashion crowd. Doing House of Style on MTV, it opened up my audience to men, doing Playboy. Each of those things, like as you piled them on,

they kind of added to the, you know, Cindy Crawford, whatever. The legendary, the iconic, Cindy Crawford, model entrepreneur, mother and wife, is on the show today. I could not be more excited for this episode. This was so fun to sit down with Cindy, almost like we were at Happy Hour over Cassie Amigos, jalapeno tequila. Just having the best, most casual conversation, I think you're going to love this episode. You all know Cindy as an iconic fashion model. She's someone who's really defined fashion. She also is a huge mogul. She has a successful skincare line called Meaningful Beauty. And then she just partnered with Cassie Amigos to unveil Cassie Amigos, jalapeno tequila. She tells me how to make

her favorite personal drink. I asked her her favorite cocktail. We talk about the modeling days, motherhood, being a wife, showing up as an entrepreneur, how she pivoted in her career. And she gives us some really great beauty tips. I think you're going to die for this episode because it really showcases another side of Cindy. She's really multifaceted. And for me, I was like not only taking notes this episode, but I was just really engaged. She's a beautiful role model as a mother, a wife, and an entrepreneur. This is the skinny confidential, him and her. I was just telling you off air that I would love to get context on your story before you even got into modeling. Oh, wow. Okay. What was that? Your childhood? How'd you grow up? I'm from DeKalb, Illinois, which is a small town about 60 miles west of Chicago, Blue Collar family. And then I have an older sister, a younger sister, and I had a younger brother. He passed away when I was 10. He was two. And I guess I always mentioned that because that was probably the biggest, like, you know, kind of like a very typical small town childhood. But obviously, how

having a sick brother who died, that had a huge impact on my family. And, you know, obviously devastating, but I also think that fortunately, like my mother was very, had a lot of faith and was very, she actively grieved. She went to death and dying classes. She, you know, really leaned on her church community,

and she kind of ushered us through that. And I think that because of the way she was able to deal with that, which, you know, I don't know how a mother does do that. We were able to, I don't know, like in some ways, like I almost felt like that was my rocket fuel. It made me want to do more because I lost my brother. I was a student, like that was my thing. I was kind of like the annoying girl that was in the front row of every algebra or calculus class, you know, raising my hand. never even thought about modeling, never even, you know, back then, like now every young girl grows up,

at least knowing what a model is or maybe even, you know, every girl really is a model with their selfies, right? But we didn't have that. And I, my mother didn't wear makeup. She was not into fashion. So that was just not a world that I knew or dreamed about. And just through kind of a strange sequence of events, I got, I guess, scouted by our local photographer who shot literally like the football games. Like if I would be in the audience at the football games, he would be there. And he asked to photograph me. And that was kind of like my parents thought he was super creepy. So they came.

It sounds kind of creepy in hindsight. Yeah. They came with me to the first shoot. And he set me on this path. And I somehow, I mean, it's a long story, but ended up, you know, in New York. on the cover of Vogue and it was like wild, wild ride. When you were scouted, did you know how beautiful you were? No. And I mean, I wasn't like in my high school, I wasn't like the most popular girl or I definitely was, you know, I wasn't like a total nerd. I'm not saying that like, you know, I was the girl

in the library all the time. But my school, like the cute girls or the homecoming queens, they were like the cheerleaders, like the little like, you know, and that was not. me. And so even when this guy wanted to take my picture, no, I didn't know. It was for like a local college paper where they had like the co-ed of the week. He kind of introduced me actually to a woman that did hair and makeup by night, by day she worked at the telephone company. She recommended that I go to a hair show where they, well, you had to audition, but you got like $100 if they chose you, but you had to go on stage and they could do whatever they wanted to your hair. Like literally, I could have walked out of there with a mohawk.

But fortunately, I got like these two hairdressers from New York and they just gave me like a nice bob. And they were the ones that said, you should go to New York or you should really think about modeling as a real job. And so I got the yellow pages and I called modeling agencies in Chicago and my parents came with me. And just one thing led to another. And what was like happening in that in the modeling world at that time? What were like the big things that you can even remember? Well, I mean, I wasn't following it. But I, you know, the big models of the generation right before me were very like the blonde hair, blue eye, like all American like Christy Brinkley and Cheryl Teagues and, you know, that kind of almost Scandinavian look. And I remember my first, I don't know what magazines you looked at when you rang, but I remember I had a teen vogue with like Phoebe Kate. on it. Okay. And that was like the first time I noticed, I was like, noticed who was on the cover of a magazine and like was interested enough to get her name and understand, oh, that, but, you know, that's a job, but how to get from DeKalb, Illinois to there was like impossible. So I wouldn't,

I didn't even know. I wouldn't, you know, it wasn't something I would have known even how to pursue, but kind of just through the sequence of events, I got assured. there. You also are incredibly business savvy. Was that ingrained in you at a young age or was that later on? Yeah. I wouldn't say I wasn't, you know, I was, I was, I like, I was good at school and I love to learn. I'm like a lifetime learner. And I think that, you know, when I started modeling, if you pay attention and you keep your eyes and ears open, you can't help but learn stuff. So eventually, as I had some, you. I had some, success as a model, I was able to, oh, I'm going to do my own exercise video, or I'm going to take a chance and do this other thing. And then, oh, it did well. Maybe I do have good ideas. And that

empowered me to do like the next thing and the next thing. What do you see as the difference, obviously, now with social media to when you began? What are the biggest differences that you see? Wow. I mean, that's huge. I mean, I think probably the biggest thing is that when I was young and, you know, making a name for myself, I did not have a direct way to communicate with my fans. Yeah, so different. I always had to go through a journalist or an interviewer, what they thought of me, the questions they asked me, like, I wasn't able to be my own author of my own story. And I think that that's why social media is incredibly powerful.

You really can build your brand and you can tell people who you think you are and how you want to be presented. that doesn't mean you also won't have some of the other, but your first, I think that most direct contact with your fans is really priceless, which is why now brands, they care more about what your social media following is in engagement. I guess engagement now is even more important than the one number, right? Like how engaged are your fans? And that's why it's shifted even like brands are going after influencers

that maybe aren't like on the cover of Vogue, but they have a huge reach. You know, it's interesting, too. I even think about this format of this show. And I don't know if there was, when you were coming up at that time, is there anything similar to this where you could have like a long form dialogue like this?

No, no, no, no. You would do like David Letterman. And it was a quick set, yeah. And it was five minutes and you knew what three, you know, you had been pre-interviewed and you hope he just didn't try to make you look like a complete idiot. Because, you know, like if I was on David Letterman, I was on there talking about lipstick,

which he probably didn't really want to be talking about, you know? So it was like a weird thing, but that was, those were the kind of interviews you got. I rarely sat for like a long format interview. No. And what was the environment like when you first started out with the other models? Was it catty? Were you guys friends? Was it the same models throughout the time?

Did you guys grow up together? Or was it different all the time? Yeah. So I started in Chicago, which was nice because I was from the Midwest. So it wasn't like such a big culture shock. Yeah. And I was going to college and modeling for a short while, and then I dropped out of college, but I stayed in Chicago. And in Chicago, I was like one of the big models because it was like a very small little pond.

And I was making great money, but I was doing catalog every day. But it was great because it was very like a normal life. And I could go to my mom's house on the weekend or see my college friends on the weekend. And then I would go and do like nine to five, like, you know, belt modeling for. for Marshall Fields or whatever. And eventually my agency, they had a partner agency in New York and they kept asking me to come to New York.

By the time I came to New York, I was 20. So I wasn't like 14, 15 like some girls are, which is really young, especially if you don't have like supervision and you don't look young so people don't really treat you like you're young and that's where I think things can get a little dicey. But I was 20.

I'd lived on my own, moved to New York. at that time, like right away, I met Christy, Linda, I met fair, she was living in Paris at the time, but I would meet, you know, of course, like it shows, really where we all saw each other was show season, which was like twice a year. And during that month, we'd go to Paris and then Milan and New York, you were, we were like a little tribe.

It was like camp. It was like a traveling camp. Does it feel competitive during that time, or does it feel more how you, I think at like our level, it wasn't, so competitive because everyone was doing well. You guys all looked unique too, which I think takes a lot of the competition. If you guys all looked the same, I think that that would be more competition. Yeah. And I think, look, certainly were there jobs that Christy did that I wish I would have done

or jobs that Linda or Naomi or Stephanie Seymour did that I was like, oh, that's so great. I wish I would have done it. But it wasn't like, oh, I wish they wouldn't have. I'm going to put rash cream so they break out and they're going to have to call them. I don't know. I'm just like, I'm thinking about like a cheesy movie would say like, oh, put this itch powder in their bed so that they break out with a rash or something. No, I mean, I remember like in Paris, Linda had a car because she lived there. She had this tiny little red car that she named Petunia or Petula or something like that. And we would litter, it was like a clown car. We would pile like eight full grown, you know, tall women in this tiny car. Oh, I'm sure. I'm sure the Frenchman had a tough time with that. Yeah. And then we were like all pile out like to do like Chanel or whatever show we were doing. And then we would go to dinner. So. No, there was actually a lot of camaraderie and support. I think that especially because doing, sometimes there were some seasons. I never did this, but some of those women would do like 30 shows in a week.

And it was just like insane. And you needed like the moral support. Like because when you were having your, usually every show season, you would cry once. Like there was always like that moment where you would just break. It would be like your shoe fell off on the runway or your car didn't show up and you had to run. You know, whatever. and everyone have like a mini breakdown. And that's when we would all support each other through that.

What does the hometown crowd think of all this once this starts happening? I always think about that. Yeah, it's kind of, we were talking about that this morning. Because even with like sisters, right, and family, like all of a sudden you're in this life where they, like, at the time, they'd never been to Europe. I had only been on an airplane once when I started modeling. Wow. It was like, and then all of a sudden I'm in Japan, you know, having, uh, What was that movie?

The movie with Bill Murray, Lost in Translation, right? Having those lost in translation moments where you're like, wait, I'm 18 years old in Japan. We didn't have cell phones. I couldn't call my mom and be like, how do I even work these weird vending machines here or whatever? I mean, everything was so, so, so foreign then. With my hometown friends, I actually still, like I had got together with some last time I was in Chicago. A lot of them still live in that area. but it's it's like part of my life they can understand and part of it it's just different like

I remember for some reason I remember you doing something like was it a commercial with Michael Jordan or was it a shoot what did you did you did you did something I'm was it was it was it was Shaq I've done something with Shaq yeah yeah I remember that because I was young when that happened yeah and I just I like the just just position to that was yeah yeah well also he's like yeah a giant I met him one time I was yeah I met him one time and I saw him. You looked like a little Danny DeVito. I looked like Danny DeVito standing next to him too. I remember that and I remember seeing that. I mean, like, whoa, that it was like two completely different worlds colliding in the justice

position. He was so, anyways. But I imagine it's strange for them to see that. Yeah. It's fun. Like, I actually think that in a weird way, fashion, especially back then it was so in its own silo. I don't think a lot, if you didn't follow fashion, maybe you didn't really, until I really

broke through, like you might not have understood what I was doing. But then it would be like, oh, but she's with Shaq. Okay, she must be cool or something. Do you know what I mean? You're guilty by association. And actually, I was in Chicago for our friend just got inducted into the Hockey Hall of Fame. Or no, his jersey got retired, which I guess is a really big deal. His name's Chris Chalios. And they asked some of the celebrities that were there to come on the ice. Do you know hockey at all? Yeah, sure. Okay, so to do like this from half? The halfway shot. Yeah, But did you know, like, the little hole they want you to put the puck in is like the size of a mouse hole? I didn't.

I thought you had the whole net. So, I mean, they do when they're playing hockey, but when you do this thing at half, half time, or it's not half time, because it's... Isn't it like, do they win, for this way, they win something? You're supposed to win something. Anyway, so a couple other people went, and they didn't make it, so then I was like, oh, there's no pressure. But I'm wearing leather pants in high heels. Like, this is insane. Then I'm even, like, scooting out on the ice, trying not to wipe back.

And then I made it. And actually, I think one of our mutual friends that we were talking about, like, who I didn't even know was a hockey fan, like, all of a sudden friends from like Illinois, because hockey's big in Illinois, I got all these weird texts from people I hadn't heard from in a million years. Like, you don't care that I was on Vogue 20 times or whatever. It's like, nice shot. No, I think our mutual friend is looking for reasons to text you and he was just trying to slide into your text. Sorry. Probably. I'll call that out. I think he's looking for reason. When did you feel like. you had your first big, not big break, but breakthrough, where it was like, oh, my God, this is shifted. I am now famous. That's interesting because it wasn't, I thought you were going to say breakthrough, and that would have been like my first of O cover. And then I remember going to the newsstand.

It was out and I was so excited. Why? Went to buy it. I bought three copies. And the lady just didn't even look up from the magazine. She just was like, you have three copies of the same magazine. And I wanted her to look at me and go like, oh my God, it's you. She didn't.

She just like, it's like, okay, $9, whatever. So it wasn't that. When did I, you know, I think fame kind of, for me anyway, it wasn't like one big moment. It just was like creeping up on you, but certainly doing things like the Pepsi commercial for the Super Bowl. That was big because, again, it wasn't just a fashion crowd. doing House of Style on MTV, it opened up my audience to men because MTV had more of a male audience than female, doing Playboy. Each of those things, like as you piled them on, they kind of added to the, you know, Cindy Crawford, whatever. Kind of momentum, it sounds like.

Yeah, yeah. Did it get to the point ever where it felt maybe like you needed to make an adjustment in your personal life because of that? Because I imagine that's strange going from Illinois in a smaller populace where, you know, he's not these coasts. All of a sudden, you're walking down the street and people just... You know, though, I never... Again, there were no cell phones there, so not everyone had a cell phone. A phone, a camera. There wasn't the same hungry beast of potparazzi that's constantly like trying to get like model off duty shots.

Like, I watch what my daughter goes through and it's so... different. Like we could, I mean, if I had like full glam walking down the street in New York back then, yes, of course, you're going to get like cat calls or whatever. But I could pretty much do my life in New York at that time. I think when what I noticed it was like if, okay, let's say I'm going to be in Shanghai for Omega Watches. I remember actually doing this. I was in Shanghai for Omega watches. And it was advertised and I was going to be there. And it was like probably like, you know, in the heyday of my vogue fashion years. And there was like 5,000 people outside of a little watch store to the point where it was like scary, you know, because it was, you know, you have to have

security. But they had all been, they knew I was coming. They were waiting for me. And like, the anticipation is kind of what gets the crowd going. If you're just, just like walking down the street. By the time people like clock you, and I mean, I'm sure you guys know. It's like by the time they actually know it's you, you're already 10 feet down the sidewalk. But if there's a waiting and anticipation, there's more pressure. We talk about it all the time, like not to the same degree. Like Lauren and I are fortunate where we kind of kind of curate our environment and there's a lot of stuff. But the type of attention, I think you and other people that we've interviewed. It's like, it's almost like that's not something you can just

like turn on and off. Right. It's like once it's there, it's there. Joe Rogan always says this. He says once the faucet gets to a point where you actually can't turn it off. Yes, that is true. And you learn to navigate it a little bit better. Like, you know where it's going to be like dripping or where it's going to be on. You know, so you just kind of. And when you know it's going to be on, you're just prepared for it.

Yeah. And then you're not, I think it's like when it catches you off guard, that's more when you get freaked out by it. Like if I'm going to an event or a red, if you go to the Metball, you know, you're going to be on that red carpet for half an hour. You know, you've got to walk up those stairs in a dress that's probably impossible to walk upstairs. And, you know, you know the drill. It's when you're caught off guard. I think that makes it hard. That makes sense.

When you look back when you first were in modeling, what were the beauty secrets that you guys were doing? That maybe you don't do now, but what were you guys doing? Oh, gosh, it was like the Mac spice pencil for the lip. but we would do like the overdrawn lip in this spice. You just sold them out there. Like anyone that hears that on TikTok, they're all going to go buy that. It's very 90s.

It's so funny because like, 90s looks are coming back. I know, but if you didn't do it in the 90s, it's fine. But like my daughter can do a 90s look like now I can't. You know, it's kind of like wearing mom jeans when you're a mom. They're not as cute. It's like, you know. That's true.

I don't know. For me, I feel like if you wore a trend the first. time it was around. It's hard to... Like, you don't think you could go back to a trend that you help set. I think you could go back to Spice and it would be really. But I probably wouldn't overdraw as much as I did then. Like we just, and then let's see, what else? You know, I was never one of those women that like was so good at doing my own hair and makeup.

But there were like Linda Evangelista and my friend Gail Elliott. They would bring these makeup kits from Henry Bendels. They were brown, the brown and white striped. And they were better than any makeup artist doing their own makeup. I was always the first one to get in the makeup artist's chair. So I think I learned a lot from watching those other women. What else do we do? But yeah, I don't know.

It was fun. Like, I think that's the thing. Like, we had fun with hair and makeup. It wasn't pressure. Yeah, right now it's like the glam is taken so seriously. Yeah. It's different. And we didn't go out like that.

We, like, the way you wore your makeup at a shoe, or on the runway, we would wash our face before we went out. It was like too much. It was. Yeah. Yeah. Like I don't know. We all, yeah, we definitely would not go out that way.

Did you go to Studio 54? I didn't. I'm actually, it was closed by the time I got to New York. I'm not, I'm too young for Studio 54, which I like to say. I have to ask every model that's ever existed. Yeah. I actually have been in Studio 54 because, but it had closed, but they were shooting something there.

So I've been in the building, but I never experienced like a full Studio 54 thing. My husband did. He said he snuck in when he was 16. Did he say it was wild? I think that goes without saying. Yeah. It sounds like it. I don't think I got a lot of details, but he had fun. So what was going on in the scene of New York City and Paris and Milan? Obviously not Studio 54. What were the things to do? What was the culture? What was it like? Okay. So I was not a party girl. So I'm probably the wrong person to ask. Like, I definitely was the one that was like, no, I'm going to go back to the hotel and read a party girl. So I'm probably the wrong person to ask. Like, I definitely was the one that was like, no, I'm going to go back to the hotel and read a book. But I'm trying to think in New York where like Nels, I don't know, there was a, it was on 14th Street.

Okay, I think it was smaller. I remember I saw Prince there. And I'm trying to think in Paris, people were still going to like La Bandouche. Okay. And Milan, I don't really remember. But it was more like dinners or, you know, like Gianni Versailles. you would have a dinner at his house or something like that. Like I remember being at his house, actually the one in Miami,

and, you know, him having like these very opulent, you know, fabulous dinners. I bet. What was your mindset during this time? Was this something you viewed, like, okay, I'm going to do this for a certain period of time and then do something else, or you always wanted to stay, like, I was just wondering, if you say you never got caught up in the party scene and you were just kind of go home with the bullet. What were you thinking at the time?

Well, I for sure wasn't thinking this was something I was going to stick with very long because I don't think that was... Like, no one thought that way about models at the time. I mean, it was very much like five-year career or maybe eight years if you started really young. So even your agency didn't treat you that way. I think I probably thought I would go back to school. You thought this was like a stint and then you're going to go back and get back to like real life. Yeah, like this was a great way to make money and see the world.

And then I would start like my real life. I never in a million, million years thought, like at one point I was like, okay, I guess I'm going to do this till I'm 30. And then at 30, I'm like, well, I guess till 35. And then it was like till 40. Like I kind of keep re-upping for five more years. When you got House of Style, how old were you at that point? Because I feel like that was a big, I mean, it seems like it's a big turning point. You're on television now.

It was. It was a male audience. Yeah, that was a big turning point because it also gave me an opportunity to talk. Yeah. And kind of like, again, like models without social media, you're just a two-dimensional picture, right? Right. So people can project, oh, she,

looks nice or she looks like, you know, not nice or whatever. But when on House of Style, I got to, people got to see my personality. I think I was started that when I was like 22 maybe, and then I did it for seven years. That's a long time. Yeah. I was like, by that time, I'm like, I can't go shopping with one more rock star. Like, because, you know, I loved it and it was fun. I can't go shopping with one more rock star. But that was kind of what we would do all the time. What do you mean shopping with one more rock star? Well, we would take them shopping or do something. Like, I took Durand, Durand and J. J. like I took, you know, Cheryl Crow and I went shoe shopping or Tracy Olman and I tried on dresses at

like the Plaza Hotel and jumped on beds. And it was fun. But like, you know when... What is Duran Duran doing in JCPenney? What are they... Oh my God, it was hilarious. They were trying on women's clothing. And it was Nick and Simon. I had to go back and see some. Yeah, it's really funny. I think you can find it like, like either archived on my Instagram or TikTok or something. Do you start to have any kind of resentment as a model when you can't share your voice. I always think about that. Not that you can't.

I just share it anyway. I don't know. I mean, at the time, like when people would just have their perception, you didn't have the mouthpiece that we all know how. You know, I mean, definitely when I was, it's funny because there's, there is, there's like a few moments that pop out in my mind when you said that. And one was, I was still 18. I was, you know, the summer before I went to college and I was doing a job in, you know,

Bermuda for British Vogue. And it was a spa story. I know the photographer. I won't name him. They wanted me in a sauna jacuz, or no, steam room, right? So I'm in the steam room. They closed the door. They wanted it all steamed up and they're shooting through the glass with steam.

And all of a sudden, like, I feel like I'm going to pass out. So I knock on the door to have them let me out. And they didn't let me out. And I passed out. So that was a very good lesson for me because it reminded me like, oh, I have to advocate for myself now. And so I remember cut to five years later, I was in Hawaii with another photographer and we're doing a story like on the beach with surfers and I'm wearing an Azidina Laya dress and like these crazy shoes and Orbe had done my hair like up to here. And they're like,

okay, can you paddle out with this professional surfer? Like just get on his back. He's going to paddle you out and then climb on his shoulders and he's going to surf you in. And oh, by the way, don't get your hair wet. And I'm like, what are they talking? So this was like, I was like, can you just show me how to do that? Because if you, I said, I don't understand, but if you show me, I bet I can do it. And then all of a sudden they changed the shot completely because who could do that? No one could do that. So now I use that often when they asked me to do something like really impossible or ridiculous. I'm like, gosh, I'm so dumb. Please show me how to do that. And then they realize it's impossible. I first heard about prolon through a friend. They told me that I had to

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And it's also backed by leading U.S. medical centers. You've seen so many people who are very famous talk about this five-day program. It's all over Instagram. And I'm not surprised at all. No wonder there's thousands of doctors recommending Prolong because it supports healthy blood sugar and cardiovascular health. You could try it a couple times a year. They also have a protein powder on their site. Right now, Prolon is offering the skinny confidential listeners 15% off their five-day nutrition program. Go to Prong. prolonlife.com slash skinny. That's P-R-O-L-O-N-L-L-N-L-O-N-L-O-N-L-O-C-com slash skinny. I love surprising my husband with a crisp, cool glass of green tea when he comes home from work. That's not what I thought you were going to say, Lauren, but I do love some green tea. I always have a pitcher of ice green tea in our fridge. I'll do three tea bags and then I'll do a little bit of raw honey from the farmer's market, some fresh mint from our garden, some lemon. I like Meyer and then some ginger and I'll mix it all up in a big picture with tons of ice. And the tea that I've been using is Lipton Green Tea.

Lipton Green Tea is absolutely amazing if you're a coffee drinker like me and you want to switch to something later in the day. This is such a great way to support your adrenals and your wellness. Our voices get absolutely thrashed throughout the day. We're recording all the time and having a nice warm, hot beverage to soothe our throats is incredible. Can't drink coffee all day, which is why we like to drink. drink Lipton Green Tea. Lept in Green Tea is obviously a nostalgic, iconic brand. I'm sure a lot of you

saw your moms drinking it when you got home from school when you were little. It's also America's most beloved tea brand since 1871, which is wild. The one that we're drinking here is the green tea with lemon in it. It's really nice, especially if you love lemon. You can have it hot like we like during the podcast or you can have it iced. Have a nice picture of iced tea waiting at the door for your significant other. They'll love it. Trust me. Try some of this delicious Lifting Green Tea today. Cheers. When I get bloated, let me tell you, I reach for array, my bloat capsules. I've been taking these for like four years. I love taking them after a meal that's heavy. So we were in Italy and I was doing a lot of pizza and pasta and I had my array. I had people, I was like on a boat

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It has like a probiotic, a green tea extract, even B6, which reduces water retention. Go to array.com and use code skinny at checkout. You receive 15% off and four free bloat travel packs with your first purchase or auto ship. So what I would recommend is try out the metabolism support. I think you guys will love it. I'm someone who is still in the process slowly of tightening up. I have about 10 pounds to go to get my goal weight. But if you're more into targeting bloat, check out their bloat capsule. That's array.com code skinny. Sometimes I like people to repeat back what they said to me when it's so wacky and you're just like repeat what you said. It's like actually show me. It's genius because then they can't show you. No. Because it's psycho. No, exactly. And it would,

I mean, even if I was willing to try, there was no way that my hair wasn't going to be a complete-soaking mess afterwards. I bet it was a man that asked you to do that. Maybe I wouldn't know. I mean, the photographer was a man, but I don't know who like schemed it up. It could have been the stylist who was a woman. You never know. What point did you realize that you wanted to create a business? Is this later on?

And how did you even start to conceptualize it? As I mentioned before, like the first kind of foray into doing. my own thing, something that I was passionate about, was doing my exercise video. And, you know, so many people at the time, I had started working out with a trainer. So many people were asking me, oh, what do you do for a workout? And, you know, the only video, the big video before that was Jane Fonda, which was amazing, but it was like not my generation. My mom used to do that all the time. The Jane Fonda one? The one where you did the step. Yeah, good. And so I had this idea to kind of share my workouts with my trainer with I was you know keep my sisters and my mom and my

girlfriends and mine so did the video produced it you know worked with people of course but it was my idea my thing hired the director and it ended up being really successful well when you have that happen that empowers you to go hmm okay so then I did a makeup book and then when I was 35 it wasn't so much that I wanted to start my own business or my own product line, but I had been with Revlon a long time, and I was like, I just was ready. My contract was up for renewal, and I just knew that I wanted to do something different. It was like, this is my time. If I'm going to do my own thing, this is my time. So I knew I didn't want to do skincare because I'm not a makeup art. I mean, I didn't want to do makeup. I wanted to do skincare because as a model, my job,

most of the time is I just sit in the chair and someone else does my makeup. But my job was to take care of my skin. And that's what I was really passionate about. And I had this relationship with Dr. Sabah and Paris who'd been taking care of my skin. And really, he really helped me think about aging in a way that I think was mentally helpful for me because he calls it just like age maintenance, you know, and he loves women. He loves the way women look without makeup. Like he's, he wants you to feel good in your skin so you don't feel like you have to cover it up with makeup. So he and I partnered and we started Meaningful Beauty. And the whole, whole idea behind that was just like each and every product be meaningful, get results, be efficacious,

you know. What's the first product you launched with? Well, we launched with a kit because we started as an infomercial business. So you sell like the system and, you know, whatever, what is a system? Like a cleanser, a day cream, a night cream, and eye cream. But really, I think, and it, again, it doesn't sound revolutionary now, but we had a serum was kind of like our super, our super product, right? And at that time, a lot of American women weren't really using serums and didn't really understand serum. So it took a certain amount of education to help women understand, like, why that extra step is worth it. So at this point, are you on the infomercial as you launched? Do you have, like, a launch strategy? Do you remember that? Okay, so we started. I,

I remember I was pregnant when I signed the deal and we, it was 2001 and I think, yeah, in 2024, we launched. So in that three years, we did, you know, develop the products, design the packaging, shot an infomercial and then it first aired in 20 or 20 or 20, or 20, or whatever you call that. And the thing about doing, especially, well, any direct to consumer is you, you measure everything. Like, you get results very quickly. It's, it's not like running an ad in a magazine, you don't know what sales are attributed to that. But if you give a special 800 number for that viewing, you know exactly how many people called from that. So it's a great way to reshape your messaging and understand like, oh, this is resonating with people. This isn't

resonating with people. So when we launched in 2004, in 2004, we were able to see, oh, like, what works. And of course, like, we didn't get it all right the first time. out, right? So we did some editing and the products were the products, but it was like really taking the time to educate our consumer about why us, why give meaningful beauty a try. And that is honestly why I chose infomercial because, you know, to compete in vogue with a one-page ad against the Estee Lauders and the Lancombs of the world is like that's a very crowded market. But having 30 minutes to tell this very organic and authentic story of my relationship with Dr. Sabah, introducing Dr. Sabah, introducing these, I mean, now everyone calls

them the melons, but it's really, there's a super antioxidant in the special melon that's in the south of France. It's called superoxide dismutase. And it was like the serums was the best way to get that antioxidant into your skin. This is revolutionary, though, to me, if you think about it, because first of all, you did a kit, which now we look at like Kylie Jenner, who does, kit years and years later. The serum, you're right, I don't remember like 20 years ago. There was not that on the market. And you were also given 30 minutes to talk, which is like you're saying that's unique for a model. At this time, they would call it a creator-driven, right? But now it's somebody who took a platform and then used the power of that platform to go and build a business.

When you launched it, I would imagine when they're able to call an 800 number, you saw immediate success. Yeah. Okay, so I measure business in like singles, baseball analogies, singles, doubles, and home runs, right? And you want everything to be a home run. But I'm happy. If I get on base, that means I have, I still have an opportunity to score. So like when we first launched, because I, at the time also infomercials were very, they didn't have a good reputation. So like my modeling agency, a lot of people in my life were not that excited that. I went to go with Guthranker and do an infomercial. Would it like diminished your platform?

Yeah, that it like could possibly cheapen my brand. But I knew why I was doing it. And I also was a full partner in the brand. So there was so many reasons why to me it made total sense. So I decided to do that. But I wouldn't say we were a hundred. We didn't get a home run right out of the gate. But we definitely got a single and then maybe a double and then like a triple and then

we rejiggered stuff. And I mean, I am very happy getting on base. And the fact that when I started that, I thought maybe five years, 10 years, like, and now we're celebrating 20 years. And we've had over five million customers over those 20 years. You know, it's just been, I can't walk through an airport, a school, and a parking lot without someone saying, oh my God, I love your serum or I love your night cream when we did an event two months ago here in L.A. with some of our customers from, because I'm really trying to put the focus now, not so much on me and our other celebrity endorsers, but really on, I call them Meaningful Beauties, but you know, the women who really love Meaningful Beauty and they've used it. So we had about 40 women there from age 30 to 80,

and some of them have been using the products since we first launched. So cool. And they're the best testimonials, even better than me, because this one woman was saying that, like, I guess I think she was widowed and she started using the product and she went to the grocery store and the checkout girl was like, wow, your skin looks so beautiful. And she's like, she started crying when she told the story because she said, no one had told her she looked beautiful for so long and just to have like how empowering that was for her. And that's what I love about meaningful beauty, really. It's like how, and you know, know this and I'm sure men too but like when we feel like we look good or we're taking care of ourselves

just have like a little bit more confidence in ourselves like it's kind of like okay now I can go conquer the world when a model or a supermodel comes to you now and asks you know how to be more multidimensional what's the advice that you give because it sounds like like yes you've had this incredible modeling career but you've added a lot of layers to it yeah I don't know if you can like try to do that. Yeah. I kind of feel like, I guess my advice would be, be authentic. Like, where's your passion? What's exciting to you? Like, when I did my exercise video, I was like in love with that workout and with Redou and how it changed my body and how it made me feel strong and empowered. When I did meaningful beauty, I really, you know, like Dr. Sabah is like my guy, you know,

he helped me feel great about my skin and about as great as you can about the prospect of aging because it's happening, you know, whether you want it to or not. So it's like, I don't even like saying like fighting aging. Like that's, that's language that's in the beauty business is a lot is like anti-aging and like fight aging. And it's negative. Yeah, it's like, first of all, if you can show me how to anti-age, I mean, maybe like some of these biohacker guys. We should have invited you to this dinner we just did. But in the end, we're still aging, right? We can maybe slow it down or we can maybe, you know, one of the things that I like about Dr. Peter Atio, who I know you know, one of the things that he says is you want your lifespan and your health span to line up.

So if you're going to live till 90, you want at least like 89 and a half of those years to be good. You don't want to live to 100 but be in a wheelchair for 15 years or whatever. You want, you know, you want to try to be as healthy as you can. And I think part of being healthy is mental health. and part of mental health is feeling like you're taking care of yourself and feeling like, you know, sometimes seems shallow, but I see how empowering it is for women and I'm not trying to be exclude men. But like when we feel good about ourselves, I think we just have so much more confidence, so much more to offer. We speak up. We raise our hand. We volunteer, whatever it is. You know, we're not hiding in the shadows. It makes total sense. Michael has a 10-step skincare routine. So Michael's hair takes longer to do than mine. Michael's shaking his head. No, you got a whole thing going on.

It's because I get to sit with so many smart people on this show explaining all this stuff to me. When I first started doing it, I was like, what are you talking about? It was like a moisturizer or whatever was in the shower, whatever was in there. But now I hear it. I'm like, oh, it makes sense. And I just look at it like brushing teeth. Yeah, why not? And you know what?

I think some of it, of course, like there's so many great products now with real efficacious ingredients that will make a difference. It's not like our mother's creams that. it was just like maybe just putting a little superficial moisturizer on your skin. There's there's ingredients that actually really do like, you know, peptides and all this stuff that really will help your skin age better. And it's also that self-love that goes along with it.

Like taking that time to like care for yourself, I also think that is good for you. It's therapeutic. What are the things you're doing now? Because before you came in, we were talking kind of about this like health and wellness world. Yeah, like what did you eat for breakfast this morning? I actually had a, well, I had a, well, I had a,

bullet one they they call it primal coffee i have from our friend calil we love you calil oh he's gonna okay i better get free smoothies now for the rest of my life calil okay no i had and then i get the million dollar smoothie have you ever had that one yeah it's really good it's so good and especially when i know i have a busy day i can have that and i kind of know that that will that can take me through the day if i don't get a chance to eat but normally i have if i'm at home i'll have like i'm i kind of do a little bit of intermittent fasting i guess so i don't usually have breakfast till 10 usually one work out before breakfast. What do you break your fast with? I make my own shake. Okay. Yeah. What's the Cindy Crawford shake? Well, currently it does change. Like someone just told me

flax seeds are not great now. I thought they were good for blood pressure. And for fiber. But then I heard it's also bad for testosterone too. I don't know what to do anymore. Yeah, I know. That's the thing. But so my current one has coconut milk, a quarter of a banana, because I was told like that too much, otherwise it's too much sugar, handful of spinach. mint, and then I put like collagen, protein powder, cacao, flax up until yesterday. I have done with the flax too. Hemp seeds I put on the top and maca. And then when you have that shake, what is the next thing that you like to eat?

Are you reaching for protein? Are you a vegan, vegetarian? No, not. No, I pretty much eat everything. I don't eat a lot of gluten just because I don't feel great. I mean, look, I love a bowl of pasta. I can eat it in Europe and feel great, but when I eat it here, I don't feel so good. Don't eat a lot of bread.

But I'll have like a salad with protein for lunch, usually. And then at dinner, protein and veggies and, you know, something like that. Are you doing any of this alternative stuff like NAD or peptides? Have you experimented with any of that? I have tried NAD. The shot or the IV? The shot, the subcute, though. I can't go I am.

Do you? And Michael does the thing. Do you do the IV? Does it like wrench your gutta? Yeah. Yeah, that's what I heard. Now I'm kind of, I did it for a while. No, I don't like it.

It's like, it's got topped off. Have you seen those patches? Yeah, I've seen those. I think it's called like, my husband does the patches. We just put it on. Yeah. Does that hurt? I didn't do it.

I just see my, because my husband, my husband's like squeamish of me. If she told me if I wear one of those patches, she won't come near me. She's like super squeamish. But he puts it on in the morning and takes it off it. He doesn't sleep in it. I don't think I can do it with the past. Oh, you don't have to. But it's not the thing that that distributes the...

No, it's not pokey patch. No, she's saying it's a patch that lays on the skin. It's literally like this bit. It's like... Oh, I didn't know. No, I thought you were talking about that. I thought there's the one that like... That's not a bad idea, the patch.

And apparently it's like very absorbable. I don't... I haven't tried it yet. We got it from another friend of ours who's one of these, you know. We do do infrared sauna. I've been doing that for like 15 years, though. Dry brushing. I'm obsessed with.

Oh, we got to get to your dry brush. I dry brush every morning. That's the first thing I do when I... Well, okay, do you tongue scrape? Oh, my gosh. We don't do cauliflower tongue in this room. Sorry, guys. Anyone that has a cauliflower tongue's got to go.

Isn't it? Like now? They didn't check your tongue at the door. I mean, to check your tongue at the door. That's funny. Okay, that's my first thing. Tong scrape. Then I do dry brushing.

Then I do oil like with lymphatic, like do my own little lymphatic drainage with oil. Then I do guasha on the face. Then I go down in. I go outside pretty much every morning and take a jacuzzi and I walk in the grass. I'm grounding myself. Do you do all the stuff? Yeah.

I do all the stuff. I mean, I don't, but I'm not like the hard, hard cord like. Yeah, you get it when you can. Well, yeah, like I haven't done like the N-A-D-I-V yet. I know that's not hard. I mean, by the way. It is hard. It is, I mean, it's, I mean, it's, I mean, it's, I mean, it's, some people are

listening to like, it's not that hard, but no, it's uncomfortable. Yeah. Do you meditate? You know. I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I have. taken meditation like my husband and I took like what is it. TM right? I liked it. So I feel like I know how to be in that space when I want to be. It's just, no, I just can't figure it out on a daily basis. So I have this thing. Do you know what a Rosh is? It's like a wee. Anyway, it's almost like a

pimp mat or something. Like you know how those energy mats now. So just think of that. You could do it on one of those. I just lay on mat, put eye shades on, do some breathing. If I fall asleep, great. If not, I'll put a podcast on or something like that. But I do, unless my day does not allow it, I do try to find like that 20 to 30 minutes where I'm like unplugging from my, not doing, just being. Yeah. I also think it's probably meditative for you to go in your jacuzzi outside and ground. Like there's, I think what Gabby Bernstein said this once, she said, I said, do you meditate? And she said, I meditate all throughout the day. So she's like, I would, I'll find a minute here and two minutes here. in five minutes here and she's just meditating all day throughout the day wherever it makes sense.

And really isn't meditation just about being present? Yeah. And so like I feel like my and I actually I did something a long time ago where I said one of my things is like you can't multitask presence, right? So like that has been an important lesson for me is like if I'm here with you guys like my phone's away. I'm not thinking about what's next. Like let's just do this and have make this be as great as it can be. And then when this is over, it's like, I'll be present in whatever that next moment is. What is the key to having a successful marriage, kids, two kids, and also running the massive businesses that you guys run? Sometimes I feel like kind of together, right? Well, recently we've partnered on Casamigas, which is a spicy Blanco because I, you know, Randy's had Casamigos for,

I don't know, over 10 years, I guess now, but I like skinny spicy margaritas. And we, we, you know, we just one day were like, wouldn't it be fun to do Casamigos with a spicy flavor profile? Oh, it would be funny. Let's Casamigas. And then Randy designed the bottle where I'm crossing out his name and George's name and whatever. So we launched Casamigas and it's been fun. And it's like, I love it because it just has like a nice little spice to it with a club soda. But other than that, we definitely are in, other than building houses together, we are in our own silos. But we do respect each other's opinion. Like I often will show him something or he'll show me something. What do you think about this? Or help me read a email he's writing or, you know, whatever. So I think probably

like most married couples, balancing. Look, we just, we just celebrated 26 years married. Congratulations. Thank you. Yes. I hate saying it's work first. But I think that our society does a really bad job of setting people up for successful marriages because we think, oh, if everything's not perfect, maybe you're not my person, right? And that's just not real. Like, you can be with your person and go through hard stuff. And sometimes it's stuff from the external world, putting pressure on you. Sometimes it's stuff one person's going through something, you know, whatever. And then sometimes it's the kids. Kids is, kids is, wow. I have some selfish questions to ask you about kids in a minute, but it's funny you say all this. Do you know Jay Shetty? Are you familiar with him? Yeah, of course.

He was here yesterday and we were talking about this very thing in marriage where it's like people are so set up. And like if it doesn't check every box all the time, it's like quick to throw it away and ruin a good thing because it's like one little thing's off today. But the funny thing is the grass isn't greener. There's problems on the other side of the grass too. So you've got to like pick which problems you want because there's going to be problems. I don't have any energy for any more grass at this point. No, I've just given you enough grass. We have talked so much about protecting your kids from the sun. I just did a whole episode on it and we talked about sunscreen and the one that I like. And there is this

brand called SunBum. I've talked about it before. I personally love, love, love the spray because it's so easy. Like it's just easy to get the sunscreen on my kids. And essentially, SunBum's kids sunscreen line is made up to keep up with the most adventurous kids. My kids are adventurous. This is so easy to just spray it on them before they get in the pool or before they go outside. Obviously, we're all trying to push our kids to get away from screens and get outside this summer because outside is it. And SunBum will help protect your kids. So basically the line comes with a spray, a lotion, and a stick format. Like I said, I love the spray. I'm right or die for the spray. It's just too easy and saves me time. And the kids like it. It's like a whole thing. Each product has SPF 50. It's a clear formula,

which is so nice. So it's not like sticky white everywhere. And it's water resistance. Meaning you can put it on wet or dry skin. This is huge for me. Their line is vegan, cruelty-free, paraben-free and Hawaii Reef 101 Act compliant. It's made without octanocate and oxybenzone. Outside is in, and they've got the kids covered. Get the spray if you have kids. Trust me, you will thank me later. SPF 50. Use one-time code skinny at checkout for 15% off your purchase at sunbum.com. That's sunbum.com ends December 31st, 2024. One thing that I make with my daughter, who is a baker all the time, is a pumpkin roll. My mom actually gave me the recipe.

We made it together when I was a little girl. And there is one ingredient that you cannot mess around with. And it's the cream cheese. And the cream cheese that I use in it is Philadelphia cream cheese. If there's anyone that knows creamy, it's Philadelphia cream cheese. It's extremely versatile and can be used to enhance any meal, snack or anything. in between. Philadelphia makes everything creamier. And how do I know? Because it makes my pumpkin roll creamier. My kids love it. We do a cream cheese frosting. If you've never tried cream

cheese frosting with Philadelphia cream cheese, you are missing out on such a big part of life. There's like a powdered sugar in it. It's the perfect consistency. You just like mix it up. It's so good on a pumpkin cake or a banana cake. It's honestly my favorite frosting. One of my favorite ways to use Philadelphia cream cheese, though, you have have to try this is you take like a cracker, like a great almond cracker maybe, maybe like a tortilla chip, and then you put the Philadelphia cream cheese on the chip or the cracker, and then you put some locks on top with a little bit of red onion, like crunchy red onion, and you add capers and a little bit of tomato slices, and then tons of lemon. Oh my God, thank me later. It's the best

snack. You got to try it. Philadelphia makes everything creamier. Visit creamchease.com for recipe inspiration and so you can start adding Philadelphia in your recipes at home. Visit creamchease.com. Recently, we had the pleasure of going to the Omni Hotel in Austin and using Resort Pass. It was such a blast. The kids loved it so much. It was the most family-oriented experience that I've had in Austin. So what Resort Pass is is it provides exclusive day passes to luxury hotel, pools, cabanas, and spas without needing to stay overnight. Resort pass partners with over 1,300 of the world's best hotels, and someday passes start as low as like $25. So what we did is we went to the Omni, like I said, we walked in, the kids played in the little water fountain. It was so cute. They

absolutely loved it. Then we went to our cabana. We got a fruit plate. We got lemonade for the kids. We got a burger and fries. And we just sat in the shaded cabana. It was so nice and relaxing. and the kids used the pool, they loved it. It was a great experience. I would highly recommend it. I would definitely check out where resort pass is available in your town so you can go to these luxury hotels or pools and use their cabana and spas without having to stay overnight.

If you're looking for some time to reconnect or recharge, I actually even turned my phone on airplane mode so I could just read my Kindle and chill. And it was just a really nice reset. Michael also loved it too. it's such a secret. Resortpass, check it out. Trust me. Pro tip. Visit resortpass.com slash skinny to get $20 off your first resort pass experience.

Resortpass.com slash skinny. I mentioned we have a four-year-old and a two-year-old. And Lauren and I were fortunate that by the time we got out of college, we didn't have kind of these Instagram didn't exist. We went through all of our childhood without all this and college years. But we think about it now. How do you think about this in relation to, parenting and everything that you've kind of known and seen. I feel so bad for you guys to have to make that decision because honestly, my kids

didn't have smartphones until they were in their late teens. Like they just kind of miss that where they grew up with it in their hand. And by the way, how old are they? My son's turning 25. My daughter is 22. So I didn't also have it. So when I was at the playground with them, I wasn't sitting on the bench scrolling. I mean, I see.

it's so like we're all addicted to it it's not just the kids right I mean but they're in their formative more formative year so I feel bad that you guys are gonna like I I have friends who have young kids too maybe not like the ones I'm thinking about their kids are more like 13 and 10 and they're like when their daughter has her phone she is like not part of the family like they literally have to take her phone away to get her to be present. Like, it's just so, you know. I think that generation, actually, the one you're describing between us, is going to have a harder time because they're the ones that have to go through all this chaos first.

I almost feel like we are going to watch that generation and how they navigate. Yeah, but what she's saying, you'll benefit from it. That our kids, our four-year-olds, our two-year-olds watching us on the phone. And you're right. We are all addicted to do it. But you get what I'm saying? It's like they're the first guinea pig to go and raise children with this kind of technology. Yeah, because your generation of parents will,

maybe hopefully parents will get more in alignment too because also like, you know, remember, I'm sure, like, I remember the one girl in my class in like seventh grade who didn't have a TV, right? And she, like, we all thought that's so weird. And you don't want to be, like, you don't want your kid to be a one weird kid, right? But so, like, hopefully what I'm seeing happening more

is like parents starting to all agree. Like, if there's like a little friend group, hey guys, let's everyone take their phones away during the week Or, but you can't, you need the community. And that's why like parenting is not just like the nuclear family, right? It's like it's your community. It's your teachers. It's everyone agreeing like, how are we going to do this?

Because I agree with what you said before. This generation has just like, we didn't know, like, don't hand it to them to play with when you're at a restaurant. I don't realize what it's doing. Because like, I mean, look, it's tempting. Like if you're at a restaurant and you want your kid to sit still, very tempting to put on like blues what is that? Wait, something I was like

there's something. No, she's saying blue's clues. Blue's clues. That's what I was saying. Yeah. And then because you get to enjoy your dinner. But is that a short term fix that's going to screw you up for the long term, right? Like we use it as a pacifier now, right? Yeah. I don't know

what the answer is. What I try to do is I do think it's important to bring your kids out to dinner because I think that they need to see that it's not always about them. I totally You know what I mean? Like, I think they need to see adult conversation. What I've tried to do is I've tried to give her a game, but it's on an iPad.

So at least it's a brain game. Yeah. I don't know if that makes me feel better. It's the kids that are sitting there at dinner that I see and like with the headphones on. And they're literally like, they are so in the zone. And the mom's like shoving food in their mouth, but they don't even connect that they're eating. Yeah, that's not good. When I speak right now, like sometimes I'll go and speak on like just different events.

And one of the things I talk about with this and research, I was to say, like, you have to decide if you're a consumer or if this is a tool in your life. And if you're just a consumer mindlessly consuming and scrolling, that's dangerous. But if you can, and I think about this in relation to our children, Lauren and I grew up and have used this as a tool for a lot of things. We've obviously all been guilty of it being consumers. But I want my children to understand the difference between the two because I don't think some parents have that context, especially if this is not your world and engage here. It's like you don't want to end up in the place where it's like 99% consumption as opposed to like you're using this to like for a means. Right. Right.

Right. No, I like the way you frame that a lot. What is the Cindy Crawford Margarita with the spicy tequila? Like is there a certain recipe that we need to be trying? Oh gosh. I have to, Randy is in charge of drink making at our house. But honestly, like why I like the casamigas now is that I don't want the sugar. Right.

So if I just drink the spicy casamigas, which is. Casamigas is spicy on the rocks or with a splash of soda, it's like you could, I guess, put a little bit of lime in there too, but that would be like the ultra skinny margarita because there's no sugar because most margaritas have like simple syrup or a little orange juice or whatever. And I know for me, like if I want to feel good in the morning, it's like stay away from the sugar. Yeah. I'm going to try that. I love spicy.

Oh, you'll love it because the other thing that I didn't realize, and we took it to our friend's kid got married and so we took some Casamigas there and all the women were drinking it and the guys too but like your breath smells good because it has like a you know it's like it doesn't you not have like a boozy breath you have like a little it's almost like instead of mint it's like a little jalapeno

the spice makes the breast smell good I know some people that could be drinking that too and they go out Taylor I'm going to get you some of that Kazim that's not a bad idea we got you we're going to get you some Cosamegas after this how have you instilled tools

to your daughter who is going on to now become her own superstar in her own right? What are the tools that you've given her? Wow. It's funny because people do ask me and I'm like honestly the advice that I give Kaya is the same advice I gave my son for his very first job, which was at Kaleel smoothie shop, which was beyond time. He's told us 18. I didn't know that. No, Kaleel is the star of this. Sunlife organics, everyone. If you're drinking smoothies from anywhere else, you don't know what you're doing in life. What was the advice you gave him to work at on life. Be on time. Okay. Be prepared and stay off your phone. And like be engaged. Like, like if you have, and especially for Kaya and Presley did some modeling, but like Kaya, it's very

tempting like when you're sitting in that makeup chair to like be scrolling. But some of your best, like some of my best friends in the industry were hair and makeup people. If I hadn't looked up for my phone, first of all, you make their job harder when your, when your eyes are looking down. Like getting your makeup done is actually like you can just. be passive and or you can actually help them do their job better and I'm I'm I try to do that but also you're maybe missing an opportunity to make a friend and so like I do see like it shows now like well I used to bring a book but at least a book like a book doesn't suck you in like if someone says your name you still hear it but like if you're on your phone or or on earbuds like in a group of

people you're not even in the group of people you love to read we both love to read well what are you reading? What have you loved that you've read? Gosh, what am I reading right now? You know when you read on a Kindle? You actually don't know, but you don't ever know the title of the book that you're reading. Someone asked me what I was reading and I had to look it up. I know. I'd have to read it. What kind of stuff do you like to read? I usually have like two books going at a time. I'll have like kind of more. I love historical fiction or just. Woman after my own heart. Okay. Or like fiction by women. You know, or women's stories, of course, I like a lot. And I'm actually. reading a really good one right now and I wish I can remember the name of it. Then I'll usually have

like, you know, like I'm listening to Gabor Matte. Is that how I'm, I don't know what that is. What is that? He's a Canadian, isn't he a therapist or a psychotherapist? Yeah. Yeah. And he has a really good stuff on children, a lot of stuff on children and on like trauma and on he just healing. Oh, I do know. It's the older man that always says the most profound things on Instagram. I know exactly who you're. I actually reached out to him to come on the show. Yeah, he would be great. He's so smart. Yeah. I didn't realize he had a book. I think it's called the myth of normal is the one I'm listening to right now. That one I can see because it's on my phone, but the one on my Kindle, I can't even remember. So I'll have like a fun escape book and then one that's a little more like challenging my brain to try to learn.

It's funny because after watching Palm Royale, I went and found the book. Oh yeah. That it was based after. It's like a Miss American. It's so cute. It's really. It's really. It's really good. I just finished it. And that's all from Palm Royal. I didn't you love? I mean, of course, I watched Palm Royal because my daughter's in it. And I was so excited for her and for her to get to work with like Carol Burnett and Laura Dern and Ricky Martin. I mean, and Kristen Wigg is wild. I got to watch that. You watch it without me. But what's, I loved the styling. So cute. The sets, the hair, the makeup. I mean, it's really, it's fun. And it's, I mean, well, it starts out fun and that gets a little dark. But the thing I love about it is there's so much.

I, you know, we tend to watch a lot of documentaries or like that, what was the, like the Ashley Madison documentary or whatever. There's so much, it is, but there's like so much dark stuff right now that sometimes, like, same with my historical fiction or whatever. I just need, I need like a break. And I think that Palm Royale was a great, like, it was like fun to watch. Not that it was always fun because it does take some dark twist. I get what it was, I, for me to sit and watch a show like full without him, like it, there was a lot of different elements of it. It's good. I've been trying to get Lauren to read a lot more historical fiction because I just think. Michael loves historical fiction. Like, what do you love?

I love it. I mean, I like to go. I just finished a series on The War of the Roses. There's an author by Connie Golden. He wrote a series on Genghis Khan and Julius Caesar. You like that one. Yeah. But I like reading it because anytime I start to feel sorry for myself, I read about what people

went through in past periods. I'm like, oh, actually, it's not that bad. Did you watch Shogun? That's his favorite book. That's his favorite book. No, but did you just watch? I watched it. But talk about like, you're like, okay, because everyone's like walking around right now.

The world is like fall. And then you're like, whoa. No, that, like people were getting like literally boiled in pots of us. Like if Taylor was late to the recording, I would make him cut his belly open back in the day. Oh yeah, when they were all like. Uh-huh. Yeah. That's correct.

I could not believe she just asked you about that because that is his favorite book and his favorite show. That's funny. That about that book. And then he later wrote a book called Tai Pan, which is about the founding of Hong Kong. I think my dad had that. James Lovell, yeah. Yeah. I heard one of the cool, like, there's like cool, this is a cool moment for me talking to you.

But one time that author's granddaughter wrote a message and saying, oh my God, I can't believe you heard talking about my grandfather. And I was like, those are the moments that I get fired up. I'm like, yes. But no, I like that because, I don't know, I think we live in a time. You said there's a lot of dark stuff. But people don't realize how far we've come and how dark it really used to be. Right?

Yeah. It was, human beings have gone through some shit. Yeah. Unfortunately, though, I feel like back to. like our phones and social media. It's like there should be a tool for bringing people closer together. And I think in some ways they are. But they've also like allowed people to like be in their own echo chamber and be farther apart.

And like in almost amplifying these two sides, whereas I think most people probably have more, way more in common than they do a part. But what's being what's being fed to us through the algorithms makes it look like, you're either here or here, and the other side is bad. Yeah, I think from a creative standpoint, it's funny, we'll have somebody that's, I guess, quote unquote, known to be on the left or known to be on the right, and anytime that we do that, both sides yell at us.

And I always say, like, the easiest, low as hanging fruit to build attention online if we wanted to do that is to just pander to one side aggressively. Having nuanced conversation is much harder to do. It's much harder to get people to pay attention to. It's much harder to stand out and quote unquote go viral. Yes. But to me, that's like way more interesting than just going on and screaming on one side or the other.

And more of a life skill, by the way. Like you want to be able to sit down at lunch and have a conversation with someone who, because to me, I'm like, oh, wow, you think so differently than me. We explain that to me. Like, why not be curious? Why judge? Like, judgment is just, it's not helping. But if you're curious, you might actually learn something. or you might go, no, that even made me more firm in my beliefs.

But like, I'm not so fragile in my beliefs that I can't handle someone disagreeing with me. Yeah, I keep standing in a story, but a publication, though, to ask me, like, do I feel responsible to behave a certain way? I'm like, people have to, like, take ownership of their own thoughts and their own life. And if you don't like something, it's okay to turn the channel or turn it off or find something. Yeah. Like, you can't please everybody. I think what's cool about this podcast is we get to interview all these different kinds of people. and you get to hear the reason why they think the way they do in long form content.

And everyone we've had on, you're like, even if you don't agree, oh, that makes sense. Right. Like, you can see how people would come to that conclusion. Right. It just wasn't like a random thought that occurred to them. It was like this thought building on this thought or this incident or whatever. Or their upbringing or like their parents. I think the audience might kill me if I don't ask Cindy Crawford about her workout routine.

I think that people would just kill me. Do you do weights, Pilates? is what are you doing? Currently, I do Pilates twice a week on a reformer, which I love. And that, I've only been doing that for the last 10 years. And I have to say, like, even, because I sometimes get lower back stuff, and even if my back's hurting, I can do Pilates because I can modify it. And I've never gotten her doing Pilates. Like it's, and I just, I think, I mean, I know it can be really, really hard to, but I find it very, I don't know, I just feel. Like opening. Opening and feminine in a way. And then I have a trainer that I work with twice.

week. And hers is more like old school like I did with Radu. It's like freeways, lunges, you know, pushups, running stairs, like that kind of stuff. And then once in a while I'll do like a hike with a friend as kind of like therapy slash workout. Yeah, you kill two birds. Yeah, exactly the best. So it sounds like you're regimented with what you do each week, but you're not like working out every single day. No, I probably work out like four or five days a week and then if I get an extra one in or an extra hike or a chance to swim or something like that, that's just great. I really, I was talking about this this morning. I try to be 80% good, 80% of the time and that includes food, but that also includes working out. Like for instance, we're going, my husband and I are going

actually going to Bali this week, which is super cool. But my godson's graduating from high school there, so we're going for graduation. And I was like, am I really? Like, I'm not going to, like, I probably won't work out for that week. You know, I'll probably walk. And I don't stress about it. I'm not like, oh, my God, I didn't work out for a week. I got to work out twice as hard the week before.

I just know it's the long game. It's the consistency. Like, you don't work out for one week and be like, okay, that's good. I'm good, you know. So I know that when I come back, I'll get back into my routine, you know. I love it. I already, I have the Cindy Crawford smoothie. I have the Cindy Crawford jalapeno margarita with the soda water with a little bit of lime that I'm going to try. Where can everyone shop Meaningful Beauty? Where can they get the melon serum? That sounds amazing. Right. And where can they find your new jalapeno tequila? Okay. Well, the Casamigos is easy because that's like pretty much any liquor store or wherever they serve Casamigos. Meaningful beauty is also the best place to buy is through us on our website or if you want to buy on Amazon. We have a storefront in Amazon.

And the great thing is like, you know, the business has changed so much from direct. We've always been direct to consumer, but we were strictly like only kits. But now, like, people, we've had to evolve as the way the consumer wants to buy evolve. So you can just buy singles, like on Amazon or even on our website. So, yeah, I would say that the website has the nicest presentation of it, but like some people love to buy on Amazon. So where can everyone find you? I'm sure they already follow you. but tell us, if they want to say hi, ask your question about meaningful beauty. Where can they find you?

Yeah, I mean, probably the best way is through Instagram. That's probably, I mean, I do have Twitter and TikTok, but I don't actually, like, I am more of an Instagram girl. That was the first one I understood. Like Twitter, I was like, what is this? 180 characters. X now. Yeah, I know. X. Facebook also, I was like, I don't want people coming out of the woodwork that I went to elementary school with. But Instagram, I was like, oh, it's pictures. I get this. I get pictures. So Instagram, I'm the most. personally active on and then sometimes some of that stuff gets filtered out through the other channels. Cindy Crawford, you're amazing, so inspiring. Thank you so much for doing this. Come back anytime. Thank you. Next time you got to bring this tequila.

We got to have margarita. Next time I'm bringing tequila. I'm sending some over here too, for sure. Kale will a million dollar smoothie. Give it to Cindy for free for life. Bye, bye, love. Thank you. Go shop all of Cindy's favorite products on meaningful beauty.com and use code skinny for 25% off.

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