The Bossticks - Dan Bilzerian On Pleasure Seeking Vs. Happiness, Resilience, & How To Set Up The Life You Want

Episode Date: June 12, 2023

#578: Today we're sitting down with Dan Blizerian. Dan Bilzerian is a venture capitalist & author who has carved out a name for himself as a high-stakes professional poker champion, adrenaline seeker, & Instagram sensation. His lifestyle, love for danger, and careless attitude have earned him international acclaim & today he tells us everything. From what his childhood was like & his experience with bullying, to how he got rich in the gambling industry & what it's like to live a day in his life. He discusses his experience with women, the strategies he uses to pick up girls & why he chooses to date multiple women at a time. We also see a vulnerable side & he gives us the truth about his feelings regarding his reputation, what he has to say to the people who hate him, and why he allows people to underestimate him. We round off the episode by discussing his book The Set Up and the difference between pleasure and happiness.    To connect with Dan Bilzerian click HERE   To check out Dan's book click HERE To connect with Lauryn Bosstick click HERE To connect with Michael Bosstick click HERE Read More on The Skinny Confidential HERE Subscribe to our YouTube channel HERE For Detailed Show Notes visit TSCPODCAST.COM To Call the Him & Her Hotline call: 1-833-SKINNYS (754-6697) This episode is brought to you by The Skinny Confidential This episode is brought to you by Sakara Sakara delivers science-backed, plant-rich nutrition programs and wellness essentials right to your door. Their ready-to-eat meals are nutritionally designed to deliver results—from weight management and eased bloat to boosted energy and clearer skin. Go to Sakara.com/skinny or enter code SKINNY at checkout to receive 20% off your first order. This episode is brought to you by AG1 AG1 is way more than greens. It's all of your key multi-vitamins, minerals, pre-and probiotics, and more, working together as one. Go to drinkag1.com/skinny to get a free 1 year supply of vitamin D and 5 free travel packs with your first purchase. This episode is brought to you by Betterhelp BetterHelp is online therapy that offers video, phone, and even live chat-only therapy sessions. So you don't have to see anyone on camera if you don't want to. It's much more affordable than in-person therapy & you can be matched with a therapist in under 48 hours. Our listeners get 10% off their first month at betterhelp.com/skinny . This episode is brought to you by Delavie Sciences Skincare The core ingredient in Delavie's flagship product, Aeonia Age Defying Serum, Bacillus Lysate has been proven to boost hydration, reduce free radicals, and even stimulate the gene that regulates aging. Visit www.delaviesciences.com and use code SKINNY at checkout to receive 25% off your first order of Aeonia Age Defying Serum. This episode is brought to you by Wella Wella Professionals just released its most luxurious hair care line; Ultimate Repair. You can purchase The Ultimate Repair Miracle Hair Rescue at Ulta stores, or go to wella.com to learn more. This episode is brought to you by the Natural Diamonds Council From Canada to Africa to Australia, the natural diamond industry has transformed local communities from which the diamonds originate with healthcare, education, and infrastructure over the last two decades and is committed to continued progress. Discover so many more natural diamond truths at naturaldiamonds.com/thankyou Produced by Dear Media  

The following podcast is a dear media production. She's a lifestyle blogger extraordinaire. Fantastic. And he's a serial entrepreneur. A very smart cookie. And now Lauren Everts and Michael Bostic are bringing you alone for the ride. Get ready for some major realness. Welcome to the skinny confidential, him and her.

I feel like social media is like a video game. I beat like fucking eight years ago. And I'm like, everybody's playing the same game. I'm like tired of playing it. Like, I mean, I've had so many. People tell me how fucking great I am on the internet. They don't know me. And I've had so many people tell me what a fucking scumbag.

You can't walk down the fame road and worry about what people think about you. If you do, you're literally going to go insane. I didn't give a fuck. As long as I had the money, I didn't give a shit. I didn't want to listen to people's bullshit. I didn't want to have to fucking ever, like, follow people's rules. I want to do whatever the fuck I wanted to do. And I know I needed money to do that.

And so I was willing to do whatever the fuck I had to do to get the money. And that's what I did. You know, like, I just, I did what I came to do with so. social media. Like, you have to understand, I've been doing something that I feel like I've already done for a while. Like, I'm just like ready to like climb something new, do something new because I've already done it. Boy, oh boy, am I excited for this episode. Mainly because I love interviews with people who aren't censored because of political correctness. And Dan Bolzerian is definitely not censored. In fact, he is someone who speaks his mind on every single occasion.

I know this because I was served his book on Amazon. I am a big, big reader. I love reading biographies, autobiographies, and Amazon served me his book. And I thought, you know what? I'm going to download this. I've heard so many, like, rumors and stories about him. And I want to hear the story from him because that's how I like to live my life. I don't like to just base my opinions off rumors.

I like to actually go to the person and have a conversation with them. and see where they're coming from, even if I don't agree with every single thing on the planet that they think. So today, Dan is on the podcast. We are going to discuss pleasure versus happiness, fulfillment, resilience, how to be successful, how to find drive, how to set up and systemize your life, marriage gambling. And let me tell you, this guy knows how to gamble. And what do you have kids? You may know him from his Instagram. If you don't, I would, suggest going to check out his Instagram because you can really go deep in this Instagram. Okay. There's a lot going on. And here's the deal. I loved his book. I could not put it down.

I thought it was funny. I was literally laughing out loud in the middle of the night when Michael was sleeping, particularly in the part where him and his friends shoved steroids up their ass to cross the border. That was a good story. It was just honest and it was vulnerable and raw. And I read so many autobiographies, I know a lot of them are fluff, meaning they have a ghostwriter. They're not really telling you the full truth. They're only giving you like 50%. And Dan gives you the full thing, okay? He tells you every single thing that you could possibly want to know.

And I just feel like so many people look at the image of Dan and not the reason behind it. I find this to be incredibly refreshing in a time where everyone is afraid to be themselves. I really liked meeting him in person. I enjoyed him. I thought he was funny. I thought he was sharp. I thought he was intelligent. And I thought he was purposeful with intention. I think that this interview will surprise a lot of people who have prejudged him. He was honestly so sweet, so sweet that he invited Michael and I to dinner and we got to see his specific protocol that his chef makes him. I will put that up on my TikTok. I filmed it. He also showed us his cold plunge, his sauna, his house. We got like a wellness tour. And he could not have been nicer. So don't judge a book by its cover because you might be surprised. When I got his book, I thought it was really cool because the foreword is by David Goggins.

the book is on Amazon. It's called The Setup. And also in the book is a bunch of different people's perspectives on Dan. One of them being Molly from Molly's game. She's been on this show. Her episode was fucking amazing. Go listen to it if you haven't. But Dan was a part of Molly's game, her poker game. So there's just like so many good stories in this book. You will not put it down. I've had a lot of you message me that you've read it and you're just like, oh my God, there's so many crazy stories and photos. For me, this is one of my favorite kind of interviews to do because there's like no PR in the room. No one's closed off. He's open and he's ready to give you the raw. Sexy details. On that note, let's welcome Dan Bolzarian, a venture capitalist that has carved out a

name for himself as a high stakes professional poker champion. He's an adrenaline seeker, a writer. Go by his book. It's really good. Could not recommend it enough if you want to laugh your ass off. He is an Instagram sensation. Just go look. And he's had a crazy wild life. Dan, welcome to the skinny confidential him and her podcast. This is the skinny confidential him and her. Dan Bolzerian, welcome to the show. I don't know if we've prepped more. I'm not yanking your chain here. We've done like 700 of these. I don't know if we've prepped more for an interview than we did for this one. And I think it's because we watch so much of your stuff leading up to this. And we We feel, I don't want to knock anybody else, but we feel like people always jump to the end with you.

And they always get to the girls and the money and all the stuff, but they don't get to the Y. And you've done some pretty wild shit. And I was reading your book. I'm like, this is an extremely vulnerable book. Like you really kind of laid it all out there. I know you wrote the whole thing by yourself. Yeah, I tried to write it like a diary, you know. Like that's, I was like the framework of it is like, like how I would tell the story if I never wanted anybody to find this motherfucker.

You know? I felt like there was so much like braggie stuff that I had to talk about that I was going to talk about that if I didn't tell it with like an honest vulnerable tone, I felt like it would just come off wrong. And in fact, I had the book written before. So have you heard of Tucker Max? Sure. Sure. So he that guy that wrote that, ghost wrote my first book and it was funny because his stories weren't that interesting. told them really well. So I thought he'd be good for my book, but it was just like a really

braggadocious tone. And I felt like the things that I had done and the stories kind of like were crazy enough that I wanted to err on the side of like downplaying them as opposed to just like beat my chest, talk about how I'm. And so yeah, I try to focus on the book on, you know, the embarrassing things, the struggles, the failure, shit like that. Because I just feel like that's just more interesting. You know, that's where I would want to read about if I read a celebrity's book. not all the fucking great shit that every motherfucker knows has been in the news that he's posted on his Instagram. I'd want to hear about the stuff that he didn't want me to know, you know, so that's kind of like how I tried to write the book. Lauren started reading at first and she's like,

hey, you got to read this book because she reads a ton of celebrity memoirs and biography. She's like, this one's different. It's open. It's vulnerable. Like, you really like, I mean, you share a lot of shit in there. How did you come across? Because we never really talked about this. I got this DM from you. I thought you were fucking with me at first, but then like, how did you come across my book, like what was kind of like? I read so many books. I'm like a huge reader and Amazon served me your book and also served me Andrew Tate's book downloaded that. What other kind of stuff you're looking at? It's not it's not his book. It's written. It's someone else's. Yeah, someone wrote something for him and it served me your book and I was like, huh, this looks really

interesting. And the second I started reading it, I was like, oh my God. This is and I told Michael, I'm like, you have to read this book. I called all my guy friends who are having trouble with women. And I'm like, you guys need to read this book. You're too eager. I'm like, you guys need to literally, I highlighted shit for them and was texting them because they get too like hungry tiger and then the girls turned off. So I just thought the advice, it was vulnerable. It was real.

It was honest. I loved it. Could not put it down. But I want to go back to the beginning with you. Okay. So talk to us about when you're driving in the car to school with your dad. You've told all your friends at school that your father is not going to jail. There's a rumor.

Yeah. It's like front page news that he's going to jail. And my dad tells me like there's no chance. It's not going to happen. So I'm like adamantly defending that it's not going to happen. Meanwhile, like everybody else is reading the newspaper. Their parents are telling them. And so yeah, when I was going into school and he just like laid it on me about two minutes before I to get out for class.

it was it was like that was probably one of the hardest things and not necessarily because he was going to joke because I didn't really see him a ton anyways it was more just like I was going to look like such a fucking idiot because like for the last year I told people that he wasn't that was one of the harder harder things I had to do I would say that was and I was young too I was like 10 or 11 and so I think what other people think about you is much more important back then and so So that was rough. That was like probably one of the roughest things aside from, you know, getting videotaped jerking off.

We're going to, I mean, we had two young kids and I was talking to Lauren. I'm like, you know, I was thinking about our own son. And I'm like, for any 10 year old, that's going to be extremely traumatic. And not to mention after that, I think in your book, you said he actually had you go to school right after that. Yeah, like two minutes later. It was like, okay, you're late for class. It's like, fuck.

And how did people know that he was potentially going to, was this in the news and people a new. Yeah, it was like front page news. Like he was, he was a big corporate raider and so it was like a big thing that he was going to jail. So all the kids were kind of teasing you about it saying your dad's going to jail, which is brutal because kids are brutal. And so you're defending your dad saying there's no way because he's telling you there's no way and then it happens. So not only do you have to deal with the trauma of your dad going to way, but you have to deal with all the way, but you have to deal with all the kids then ripping on you because. Which was definitely worse, I think, you know, like, looking back, you know, you'd think that your dad going to jail would probably be worse, but having to like get bullied all the time. And, And then just like the constant reminder from everybody else. And then also that you look like it. You know, it's like all compounded into like one big shit sandwich that I had to eat all at once, you know. Have you ever talked to your dad about why he decided to tell you at that moment? I mean, he's just got unrealistic optimism is the way I would put it.

And so he really thought that he was going to win this appeal. and, you know, technically what he did wasn't a big deal. Like, everybody else is doing it. They just decided to make an example out of him. He thought he was going to win. Like, he just, you know, he believed in, you know, justice and this and that. And, you know, like, it's a veteran and patriot and I don't know. So what does your life look like after that when you're a kid and you're that young and your dad goes away and people are bullying you?

It didn't change that much. They were bullying me before. You know, it just got a little. little bit worse. I didn't see my dad a ton. So I wouldn't say that. I mean, it was obviously like fucked up going to like visit your dad in jail and whatever. But the bullying was definitely worse than, you know, not seeing my dad that much for a year. I think a lot of young men and women look at you now and you wouldn't be the poster child at this point in your life of bullying. And I don't, I don't, I don't, when I was reading the book on them, again, like it was, I,

I don't think people have seen that side of you where it's like, I don't care how old you are when you have older guys. Because I was a victim of that when I was a kid, but they have older guys picking on you and other kids in the class picking on you. Like it's really hard to develop self-esteem. And obviously you've done so much since. I'm wondering how you started to kind of like overcome that. You know, I talk about this a bit. You know, I think your hardest struggles are what actually makes you strong and builds character. I've seen it a lot where people have had it super easy. things haven't been tough. They just never really like grow that backbone. Like most people that I know that are like super hard dudes, you know, like David Goggins, he did the forward. He's considered, you know, one of the hardest guys on the planet does all these crazy ultra things. And, you know, and he got bullied, right?

Like so I think, you know, and he had a shitty pass and he had failures and he had things that he was insecure about. And so I think you've got two choices when you've got insecurities and when you've got hardships and this and that. You can turn to this victim mentality, which seems to. to be like, you know, the newest craze, right? It's like how many victim groups can we be a part of and how much of a voice does that fucking give us, right?

This is nonsense. Or you can use it to like, you know, make you stronger and give you that drive and give you that perseverance. You know, like I didn't graduate seal training, but I did probably more seal training than like almost any Navy seal. And I never quit. And I did two hell weeks and finished two hell weeks, two winter hell weeks. And it wasn't because I was tougher than the other guys.

I mean, fuck, the first time I went through, I had stress fractures. I mean, it was like horrible. But I just wanted it really bad, you know? And that's like true of a lot of things in life. Like it's more important that you really, really want something than that you're tough or what. Because like nobody's really born tough. Like, yeah, sure. Some babies are bigger pussies than others and whatever.

Like, but like you become tough because like you persevere and you continue to do something or you just really want something fucking bad. because like, you know, everybody fails. Like every fucking champion, every like great fighter or whatever, like they all have failures. It's just, you know, some of them choose to use that as like drive to like, you know, continue to fucking train, you know, at fucking 11 o'clock at night when everybody else is, you know, watching TV. And, you know, some of them just kind of like chalk it up is like, okay, well, I'm just not tough enough and quit. You know, so it's like you can go one or two directions. But I think your adversities are what give you that fuel to, you know, become confident or become. successful or whatever the fuck it is that you want to go after what do your bullies say now to you do

have you ever run into one or have they ever messaged you on instagram you know i wouldn't even recognize because they were like 10 yeah i don't i don't think about it anyway did you know it doesn't bother me well yeah like at the time it sucked but you understand like i went to seven fucking schools in five years right like i didn't that's crazy in itself too yeah like i got thrown in jail on my senior year. Like, I've had like a pretty like rocky road for, you know, a fucking rich trust fund kid that, you know, had everything given to him according to, you know, the fucking mainstream media. So, you know, for me, I, I think I had a tough childhood. Were there things that were good? Yeah, for sure. Like, I think also by growing up with wealth,

it's actually a lot harder because you're used to like nice shit. Also the bars set really high for you, right? You're always going to be. Well, that's what I'm saying. You're like used to this, right? And like when I got, you know, thrown in jail when I joined the military, like, my parents weren't like sending me checks and shit. So like, I was used to this and now I had to like live at like this. I think I was getting like 800 bucks a month to start off in the military. Having that perspective is actually like a negative. Like having those things and then not having them is definitely a negative.

Like for instance, if I were to give you a Ferrari at 16, like whatever your next car is going to be after you graduate college is probably going to be a letdown. Versus if I had given you a pinto, like any car would like make you happy. like the same guy. You're fucking 22. Like nothing's changing your life. The only difference is like what you had before. If you had a fucking really nice car before, whatever you get here is probably not going to make you happy. If you had a really shitty car, whatever you had here is, you know, probably going to make you like super star or not first one's not going to make you happy. The second one's going to make you super stoked, right? Like so I think people look at it as like being a leg up. And it is if your parents like continue to just give you money and shit and you never have to fucking work,

then yeah, it's great. leg up. I mean, it's not great. Like, you don't develop any kind of toughness. You don't really develop a confidence or like a sense that like you did it. But your life is easier. But if you had it and then lost it, that's like the worst. Like being rich and then going to poor is fucking way worse than like. Exactly. They never having money at all. You know, that's like the biggest fucking curse. What do you think that your parents did really right with you when you were little? Like if you look back, you're obviously a very confident person. What are some of the things that they did, that you can pinpoint that really made a difference in how you've turned out.

It's hard to say because I had kind of like absentee parenting, to be totally honest. And it's funny because I don't know, maybe that was a good thing. I mean, you never really know that's the whole thing of it, right? You don't know what was good or what was bad until like later on in your life. Like so many things that I thought were like the worst thing that ever could have happened to me turned out to be blessings in the sky. right so you know my parents were definitely not like what i would consider great parents i mean my mom was sweet and she was nice but like they didn't really like teach me a bunch i think i could have definitely like benefited from some better better parenting but fuck who knows you know maybe the fact

that i had to go learn shit on my own and fucking have all these failures help me i you know so i don't you know it's like just hard to say because little things could throw your trajectory totally off so you know getting kicked out of seal training i thought at the time was a work fucking thing that could ever happen to me. But because of that, the timing, I hit poker at the right time, right? Like, you don't what I mean? This is like, why did they, I was reading about the seal training and you, you did obviously a lot of it. Why do you think they wanted you out so bad? Lord and I were like, oh, this dude's hacking the system. You were like figuring out ways to optimize getting through the training, which I thought was super smart. But what do you

think the reason that they wanted you out was? Well, the first time I was a total piece of shit. I had like stress fractures. They didn't know that. I was, I'd never ran more than two miles. I was 18 years old. Like I was fucking showing up late to shit. I was failing runs. I was just like a fucking soup sandwich, like terrible. And so, I mean, I'm sure they had a million reasons not to like me the first time, right? The second time I had already finished hell week the first time.

So I came through. I had a lot more confidence. I was actually in decent shape. I've been working out. I'd, you know, been running. And so I came in there. And my goal was just to graduate. And I thought if I just passed all my stuff and, you know, didn't quit.

and whatever that they, you know, I could fuck up. They could beat my ass. They could not like me. But I didn't think they could actually like admin drop me. So I guess my attitude probably didn't come across as good because like the second I went through. I just like, I was like, fuck it. I'm here to graduate.

You know, I don't know. How intense is that training actually of all the because you've done obviously a lot of when you, if you were going to rate like, is it as hard as people say or is it like you're a book and David Goggins book scared the shit out of me when you guys talk about hell week. That sounds horrible. Yeah. I mean, it was definitely one of the things in my life that I would say was a lot worse than I expected it to be. And I expected it be pretty fucking bad. So I would I would say that I would probably be like a 10 out of 10 as far as like shitty. I mean, maybe barring like Auschwitz or something, which I haven't experienced. But like, you know, I don't know. I would say it's probably as, you know, as difficult as it possibly could. And you learn that you're capable of just way more than what you think that you are because. And I'm not talking about in regular training like bench press.

Just because you think you can go bench 500, you can't. But like with running, I could probably go run 50 miles right now. You know what I mean? It's just like you just start running and you don't fucking stop. Just like when I did the bike bet from here to LA, like every cyclist other than Lance Armstrong told me it was physically impossible. It was like, okay, I just fucking kept going and didn't quit. And I got there.

Like, and I did it with like 18 hours to spare. So like, I don't know. I don't think people understand what they're capable of because most people don't test themselves. One of the smartest things that you said to is you said instead of looking at it like the whole week or the you have this extended amount of period of time, you would just take it like little chunks. So you would say, okay, I just need to get to lunch. Yeah. And that's true with ice baths too or like anything.

You just like and with ice baths it goes like weighed out. It's like we're going to get through 30 seconds. We're going to get through a minute or like what even if I'm ripping a five or 10 minute or it's like, okay. It's a beast in the ice bath. Yeah, I go in there. But like my focus is like, okay, I'm just going to do a minute. and it's like, we'll, you know, do another minute and then another, you know what I mean? Like, I don't look at it.

Like, I'm going to go in there and rip 10 minutes because mentally that's, you know, just is more difficult. So like, why add any more strength? Because when I go in there, my goal is to like, you know, relax, get my heart rate as low as possible, get the, you know, blood flow to, you know, change. And the more calm you are, actually, the better. So I try and go in there with, you know, the most relaxed mindset possible. And if I go in there and just figure I'm just going to do a minute, I'm as fucking

relax as you can be. As I go through, there's moments in your book where you have things like, you know, you're talking about going through hell week with like basically broken legs and all this pain you're enduring. But then I find it interesting at the end and this is a quote from you said, of all the pain I endured, all the hell instructors gave me the CEO simply not acknowledging me hurt the most. And I found that interesting. Like, why do, why did you feel that way at the end? I guess I like really expect because basically the medical officer dropped me the first day I showed up. And he's like, you can't train on broken legs. Like there's no way. And so they were going to send me to a ship and I would have to wait two years.

So I figured, well, fuck it. I got nothing to lose. I requested to talk to the captain of the base, which is like a huge slap in the face to like every single fucking guy in the chain of command. Right? It's basically going over the head. It's like you tell, you know, it's like the Karen version of like, I want to talk to the manager, but like in the military like basically a big fuck you on top of it.

Right. But what I have to lose. So, you know, I went, I went and talked to him and he allowed me to train. And so I figured like, okay, this guy knows that broken legs. Like he knows I'm not supposed to train and like here I've made it through whole week, you know, it was like one of 17 guys in a class of, you know, there's 100 and something that started. And I just figured like he would have like, you know, shake, shook my hand and like, you know, good job. Nothing. Right. So I think that was the first glimpse into like managing

expectations. And I would say that I like definitely took it too far later in my life, especially the poker and like muting my emotions and not allowing myself to be happy from somebody that like up to that point never really had much of like a you know add a boy or pat on the back or anything like that that would have meant a lot to me if he would have said something but it's like a father figure in a way i mean yeah he's just like a point of authority that i you know he knew i was struggling like i just i don't know i expected it but that was like just me looking through life in my lens like for him what does he give a fuck you know there's like a million trainees that come through here like doesn't mean i'm gonna grab like i don't he didn't care and you know whatever it's that's his prerogative

it's not like he's a fucking bad guy for not caring i'm just saying like in my mind you know, looking through my lens, what I had accomplished was like the craziest thing I had ever accomplished and I did it with fucking stress fractures. And so I felt like I deserved like a, you know, pat on the back and I didn't get any good good job. Yeah. So like whatever. He doesn't be being a bitch, but I don't know. Yeah. That was like, you know, one of the things I was like, it was tough. And I was like, went to the hotel room by myself and I'm in there and I don't know, I didn't really have a lot of friends at the time. And I was just, yeah, I just felt like. There's some like melancholy. Yeah. I just felt like.

I had just like won the lottery, but I was like the last person on earth. You know what is it? You know, kind of like doesn't matter. Like nobody cares. Do you think that the reason that there was kind of a hostility towards you were kind of like almost a dismissiveness because they, they were like, oh, this guy is just a trust fund kid. Even though that's not what you were, but like they just kind of like labeled you. In the military?

Yeah. Nobody knew. Nobody knew anything. No, I was like under the radar. And I, yeah, like, yeah, nobody had a clue. I didn't like talk about my background. Nothing. Yeah.

And this is before social media. There's no internet back then. So there was like, yeah, no, nobody knew me for anybody. What is that like to go through all that training and not even get like get to get to sort of like the finish line? Well, I was one day before graduation. That's crazy. You can't get closer. Like I, you know, I just felt like I could really like.

What's a total time? I did 510 days of training and it's supposed to. six months course. So it's like two years of your life. Yeah. How did you meet David Goggins? Was this in the military? Because I didn't catch in the book where you said you met him.

It's kind of a funny story. I was at the Ferrari dealership in the win looking at cars and he walked in there and I had like seen his shit on YouTube. This is before anybody knew who the fuck this guy was. He wasn't a legend. Like none of this shit. I'd just seen like I was really into fitness. I was really into the shit.

And like I'd just seen this guy had run. further than a suburban could go in a full tank of gas. And I was just like, dude's a fucking beast. You know, so I went up to him and just like shook his hand, you know, and that was like, you know, introduced myself and that was pretty much it. And obviously he didn't remember that. And then flash forward, I don't know. Fuck, what was it?

2018, 16. I don't fucking know. Like a long time later, I'm now famous. I'm at a UFC thing. I see him over there. and I like gave him a nod or something. I think he was sitting next to Joe Rogan or yeah, he's sitting next to Joe and Joe's like,

oh, you know who that is? And he's like, no, who's that? And I guess Joe told him who I was or something. And then he like came up to me, which was really like strange for me. You know, we just talked and, you know, I don't know. I think we exchanged numbers.

I don't know. But anyways, COVID happened. I think he hit me up for some weird reason or something. Or I hit him. I forget how it. initiated, but I offered to let him use my gym. And we were just working out lifting weights together. I decided, you know, he kept talking about his book and I hadn't read a fucking book in forever, but I was like, okay, I read this fucking guy's book. So I read his book. I actually thought it was

pretty good. And he told me he had made like 30 million fucking dollars right in this book. And I was like, that's crazy, man. And like the story was to me like very similar to mine in a sense of like, you know, shitty childhood and fucking go in the military and have a bunch of failures and, you know, go through seal training. He graduated. I didn't. But like aside from that, it was like a somewhat similar tale. I had my success in other areas. And I felt like I also had the fame piece and the girl piece. And there was a lot of things that I felt like my story had that I thought would appeal to a lot of guys and they would find interesting. And this was kind of like after I had done it all, this is like in 2020, right? I had like done all the

shit that I really set out to do. And so I was like when I and I tried to write the book in 16. I'd like basically like written it with the ghost writer. I just didn't like his voice. I shelved it. I was like, okay, you know what? Like fuck it. I'm just going to write this goddamn thing myself. I thought he had written it himself. Like he did like what almost every single fucking normal human being does and they get a ghost writer to like help him out. But I was like, fuck it. I'm just going to take this motherfucker on and just fully write the entire goddamn book myself. And so I did. You know, it's COVID.

It was perfect time. Didn't really have shit going on. It does read like a diary. So after you get done with the military, you go to college. And that's when you started to get laid, correct? Because I would love for you to talk about how it sounds to me that you didn't really get laid in high school. Well, I mean, I did lose my virginity at 13 to a Mexican hooker. That's not much to brag about.

And then I think I didn't have sex for probably. like an entire year, maybe two after that. I dated one, a couple girls, like, nothing really to speak of, you know? Like, I mean, I had sex, but it wasn't anything to brag about. It wasn't a stud. Like, I had probably like 500 rejections for every, like, yes, you know. So what was the, like, what happened in college that changed that? I was in good shape.

I'd been hanging out with a bunch of fucking studs. And I'm four years old than, you know, most of the kid. Well, I mean, I was like a senior. So I came in at the age of a senior, 22. I had money. I'd been through like fucking literal hell and back. I just had a different attitude. Like for me,

like I was I was like kind of like nervous to talk to a hot girl still because they didn't really have a ton of experience. I didn't like the fuck up. But like I don't know. What does it really matter? You know, so I just had this approach, this like approach where I would just literally go to every single girl that I found

attractive and have a conversation with it. Like anywhere. I mean, this in the fucking library grocery store like anywhere so just became like a numbers thing yeah well i just like wanted to get comfortable talking to girls and so for me i'm like one of these guys were like if i have a focus i'm going to the end of the fucking earth with this thing and i just like i don't know this is how i mean i guess like you know doing the steel training thing obviously like i mean if you can do that for 500 10 days you can talk to girls in college so i yeah i just go talk to every fucking girl that

I saw and you know and it was just crazy we would have these frat parties and like I talked about in the book there was like this crazy ratio of 10 girls for every guy and so dudes that like literally in a million years never would have gotten laid in San Diego were having threesomes with hot girls you know because the ratio was so high women to that's like 10 girls yeah the girls had to fight for a guy you know and these girls are all like horny drunk girls that just moved out of the house and wanted to get laid and my fraternity was like a bunch of like athletes and steroids So everybody's like in good shape and it's like you know like cool guys and whatever and like it was just easy and like these guys a lot of these guys had literally no game like some of them were fucking drooling on themselves getting blow jobs like literally couldn't even speak you know like and I just witnessed this and I was just like wow like this ratio is so important and this like setup this like environment is so important and because I'm like I'm the same guy I wasn't getting pussy fucking six months ago and San Diego to save my life right I had a beamer I thought I was in good shape. You know. whatever, but like they didn't, they looked at me like a fucking loser.

I feel like in a way, as you look at your life, you're able to like kind of analyze what's going around and understand systems that should be in place to optimize what you're doing. Does that make sense? Like I'm like trying to like read between. I'm like, what is the like main takeaway if you wanted to optimize your life? And I feel like you just see angles. Well, I figure out what I want and then I like study intensively on how to get it. So I put more effort into the plan and the system.

and then most people do. I think a lot of people look micro and they're like, okay, what do I want? I look micro, figure out what I want. And then I pull back macro. I'm like, okay, how do we get there? Like, what are the resources? What do we have? Like, what can we do? I mean, and so that's kind of like one of the reason I'm like doing this website to help these guys. I feel like guys nowadays just like have no ability to get laid. And it's, it's really, really bad. It's like really, really bad. Like one percent of guys are getting all the girls and the other 99 percent. It's just terrible. And it's not their bad guys. It's just like they just don't have the experience and then that leads to insecurity and then it snowballs and whatever. Because like you go back into the 50s, like we haven't evolved in 50, 60 years that much,

right? Or 60s, 70s, whatever. Like everybody was getting like a proportion of amount of girls. Like everybody's in decent shape. Now you're either like fat as fuck or you're super fucking jacked like, you know, for guys or you're like getting like no girls or you're getting all the girls. It's like this massive disparity. and there's not much middle ground where there used to be much more of a middle ground.

And I feel like we're all kind of like at fault for this. And social media plays a big role. And I feel like women are just much, much more unrealistic about what they like deserve or what they should get or whatever. Versus like when you're in a small town, you're looking at like whatever the other 50,000 people are and you're comparing yourself, there's only one fucking high school stud quarterback. Right. like but if you compare yourself to eight billion fucking people right and like those are the standards that you're like setting versus like who you know your town like you're going to start setting these unrealistic expectations so the women just like expect this and you know obviously like nobody's

going to live up to like the best in all these categories I don't go fuck who you are right so most men like nowadays it seems like they've just almost given up and that's kind of like a sad place to be where like the majority of guys seem to just like have given up there's A little bit of a desperate energy coming from you. Well, that's what happens when like, that's what I'm saying. It's a snowball effect. Like, yeah. You have a positive relationship.

A girl likes you back. You have sex with her. You suck at first. You get better at it. Like confidence improves. Like all of a sudden her friend wants to bang you. Confidence improves. Like things happen, right?

Like, you know, you go down the road and eventually like you develop more confidence through your experience and this and that. But like, if your alternative is like, oh, this girl shot me down, I'm going to go smoke weed, jerk off and play. video games and that becomes your default setting, then like, where the fuck are you in a year if you do that for one year? Now you're a year out of the game. Like, you're less confident. You're fucking in worse shape. You're fucking probably ADD is firing through the fucking roof. Your dopamine receptors are fucking saturated. It's like, where are you at? Right? And it's like it gets

progressively worse and worse. Like at what point do these guys just give up? Because like after two years, what's two years and one more day of not having said, right? Like it gets to a point where and so yeah, you just have a whole bunch of the society that's basically withdrawn from the game. I think that they are addicted to being comfortable too. Like it sounds like you put yourself in college and you had already been so uncomfortable. So you're like what's like hitting on a bunch of girls. I'm just going to get uncomfortable and to go to the library. A lot of the guys, they just get so comfortable like what you're saying in it that what is one more day.

People in general nowadays are addicted to comfort. And this is true across the board. Like people have become addicted to comfort. And then so they become slaves. They become slaves to this like comfort lifestyle. And so if you don't make yourself suffer even a little bit, that's why like these ice baths have become like such a good trend is because it's like it's forcing you to suffer even if for like a few minutes out of the day.

It's like that's better than nothing. And like through that suffering, you get an instant reward. That's why it's like such a good thing to recommend to people is because it's like it's pretty extreme suffering for a very short period of time. And then you get this massive dopamine. hit and this immediate benefit. And because it was like so shitty for three minutes or five minutes or whatever the fuck you sat in there for, then when you get out, you feel so much better that you're not suffering. It's like that perspective, right? Like if your whole life is comfort, you're just

kind of like, yeah. People have been told the wrong thing. They've been told that like winning in life is eventually retiring and being comfortable. And again, you just become complacent and you just become weaker and you just get worse and worse. Yeah. I think winning in life. is doing something that you like that also benefits other people that you enjoy. Like if you can figure out like something, it doesn't have to be a job, whatever, that like you're helping other people out, you're enjoying it and you're making money at it. It's kind of like that's like the trifect of to me success. And I think that leads to happiness, right?

I think a lot of people are like chasing pleasure, confusing pleasure with happiness. And that's one of the things I touched on the book is like the difference between pleasure and happiness. And I think there is like a big disparity that people. don't realize. I want to talk about that in a second, but I want to go back a little bit more with the gambling stuff because I think people, again, they'll look at you and you played into this and you talk about it. They'll label you as a trust fund kid that just won a bunch of money in poker. And I don't think people realize if they haven't played poker and they haven't gambled like that,

how stressful that is and in itself. You're literally gambling people's, you know, yearly salary or more. You said you were losing your hair. Yeah. Like the stress. It was like literal like massive stress. You know, you're playing for millions of fucking dollars. Like, you're something. I'm sitting across from a billionaire that really doesn't value money that much. And if he says all in, I have to make a decision for 18 million bucks. It's like, that's just stressful. I wasn't that fucking rich at the time to be just like lighten 18 million bucks on fire. So it's like at any point in this 12, 14 hour session, however fucking long we played, like,

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where you first started kind of taking off in that world? Because I know later you got with AG, but when you first started building your kind of bank roll there. No, I built it before. In order to get into her game, you had to have some like real money. Her game was no joke. But I had established this image and I leaned into it, you know, that was a big part of it. But that's part of poker is like understanding how people perceive you and, you know, extracting value from that, right? Like, do they look at you like a guy that is scared to bluff? If so, you should probably bluff more. I was not that guy.

I was the guy that I thought was bluff all the fucking time. So I actually had to, like, tighten up later on. You know what I mean? Like, I couldn't make crazy bluffs against fucking rich guys because they would just call and not wonder. They would want to sleep good at night knowing this fucking asshole didn't bluff them. But that was good for me because then when I had big hands, I could just like literally stick all the money in the pot and get paid off in spots

where other pros never would have got paid off. So, like, you have to understand like the different level. of thinking too. It's just like, you know, it's not just about that. It's like, what is he think that I think that he has? And you don't know what I mean? There's like different levels to the thought process. Like on the service poker seems like a very simplistic game, right? But you like actually get in and dive in and start playing. Like you start to understand like there's the meta of the poker. There's the meta of the people. There is like the, the energy of the table. Like when you know, people are losing. How do they play? When they're winning how do they

You don't mean. Like you have to understand that. You have to evaluate people's net worth. You have to evaluate like just so many things, right? So you're just like a constant like psychology fucking professor at this table. Like trying like running experiments, trying to figure shit out. Like and it really forces you to like understand like predict people's actions. Like why is this guy doing this?

Like how is he going to play when he like because there's, it's not just about how much money they have. Like so there's rich guys that like literally have zero value. value for the dollar. And there's rich guys that like would fucking pick up every fucking penny if it meant throwing their fucking back out. You know what I mean? So like it just depends. You have to figure out the person and then figure out how they react to pain. Like, you know, if this person is putting an uncomfortable situation or he starts losing? Like is he going to start, you know, fucking bluffing a ton? Is he going to go? Wheels are going to come out the wagon? Is he going to tighten up? Is he just going to call a bunch and try and get lucky? Like how does he react to these situations? For a poker player, really where you want to be is where I ended up at, which is, which was people just thought I was full of shit. And so I could just play tighter and get paid off on my big hands. That reduces the variance dramatically. If you're trying to get bluffs through, like it works till it doesn't, you know? And it's like you're risking, you know, a lot of times, you know, you're risking fucking

two million bucks to win three million bucks or whatever versus like when you have a good hand, you just try and get all the fucking money in the pot and you can't lose. The variance goes down. Like somebody could just be like, you know what? Fuck it. I'm going to call him. Or he could, you know, have a good hand. like your reeds are never going to be perfect, right?

Like some guy could just be like successfully slow playing a good hand or you could have like backed into something or your shit happens. But like when you're value betting hands, it's much different. Like it's a lot lower risk. So I developed a strategy that was actually lower variance, but people like to play with me. And I would play a lot of pots pre-flop. I'd raise a lot of pot. So like my hands were concealed.

So they couldn't really like put me on hands. I was one of the first people that played like loose aggressive. Now that's considered like the adopted style of like anybody that's good. But back then, people didn't really play like that. They played more ABC. It was like, you know, tight but aggressive, like very few hands. You know what I'm saying? Like, I was playing a ton of hands. When it sounded like they would kick you out if they realized you knew what you were doing, like a lot of these rich guys, wouldn't want to play with a quote unquote someone who does this professionally, right? They wanted to play with other rich guys. Yeah, so table

image was very important. That's why like, I never wanted anybody to think that I was good. I mean, it's like kind of like been annoying that I mean, people don't believe my story. But at the of the day like no because i was telling more the smartest things about you though that you've done so well is that you used the sort of like quote unquote like daddy like rich boy to your advantage and you you you let people sort of think that listen i've been underestimated my whole life you know what i mean so i'm like i can lean into that too like a lot of these things like require just like you sacrificing your ego you know like a lot of people's egos is too strong and so they can't do that like they don't want to be looked at as like an idiot or they don't want to like act stupid or they don't

want people to like think I didn't give a fuck as long as I had the money I didn't give a shit because I didn't want to listen to people's bullshit. I didn't want to have to fucking ever like follow people's rules. I want to do whatever the fuck I wanted to do. And I know I needed money to do that. And so I was willing to do whatever the fuck I had to do to get the money. And that's what I did. You know, like I don't know. I mean, everybody's got their fucking, you know, style. Like some people like want to be the fucking best player in the world. They want to be renowned as the best player in the world. want to be on TV and they want to win the tournaments. But like none of those motherfuckers made as much money as I did.

Did you study books on on human nature and like Robert Green 40 Laws of Power when you were doing this? Or is this just all in eight naturally? Have you met him yet? I feel like that. You'd like that. You just innately knew all these things about people. If you like,

there's expensive lessons that I had to learn like. Like when you fucking pay to learn these lessons, well, at the poker table, There's expensive lessons. Like, but give an example of an expensive lesson. You make a mistake. You miss read somebody, you know, it costs you fucking $500,000. You don't make that mistake again. Like it's a learning curve becomes steep when money's involved, you know.

So it's like I paid the fuck attention. I acted like an idiot. You know what I mean? People thought that I was an idiot, but I was watching. Like I saw all the fucking angles. You also weren't drinking, right? No, I never know. A lot of people drink at the table, right?

Yeah. Like at the stakes, I was playing it. It's not like in the movies. Like a lot of like the lower stakes. games, you got the whores running around, you got people fucking drinking and it's like, what about Sam? Well, Sam was a fucking lunatic. He was a unicorn.

Like, I mean, this guy, like, he sounded fun. He was the best. I mean, but like, they don't make him like that. Give context on Sam because people are listening. Like, what are you guys on him? I mean, he's worth $700 million. Like, he was done. He had a rare disease that he was going to die.

Did you know that when you? I knew he had a lot of fucking money. I didn't know he had this rare disease. But he knew he was dying. He did. So he basically came to L.A. and he wanted to be a fucking rock star on this. Exactly what he did.

He fucked the super hot chicks. He had a ton of fun. He gambled. He had the fast cars. He bought the badass house. Like, he was the man. Like,

he did whatever the fuck he wanted to do. Like, he was basically like invincible. I've never seen anybody like walking to Dodger Stadium with a fucking cereal bowl full of cocaine and fucking be like ripping rails. I mean, did you ever figure out why he got like, we're talking about this guy used to get jammed up with the lawn.

Like he'd get out of it every time. Do you ever figure out why? I have no fucking idea. Dude. I don't know if he's a diplomatic immunity. I don't know. Like, I don't know what the fuck this guy had.

but he he was like he was like immune to the law he just don't know how to describe it like he would get he would get caught drunk as a motherfucker with a bag of coke on him driving a fucking car without a license speeding like reckless driving you know with some fucking topless girl in the car and just like next day he's doing coke and playing poker with me like i don't know like guys got his car back never figured it out no i've fucking no idea and he's dead i There's no fucking clue.

I mean, it was like he was honestly, like I said, he was a fucking unicorn. They don't make them like that guy. And he calls you over to his house one day. And he says, come over to my house.

And he says, I bought you sharks. No, no, he says, come over, come over. I bought you a gift.

And like, I'd given this guy, Ferrari. Is it given him a Lambo? I'd given him fucking automar watches. I'd given this guy millions of dollars with a gift.

So it's like, I knew if he was getting me a gift, there was going to be something legit. But it was like two in the morning. I'm with a girl. I'm like, fucking I come in the morning, you know what they can wait. And he's like, no, no, no, blah, blah, blah. You know, it's just fucking going crazy about it.

And then he finally couldn't contain himself. He spit it out, like spat it out. I fucking bought you sharks and like you and me and their brothers and they're going to live together forever. And you got to come over. And I was just like, wait, what? He's like, yeah, I bought your fucking sharks and just fucking come over. And it's like, all right, dude, I'll be over there.

I'm like, five minutes away. I'm like, hey, put your fucking clothes on. We're going to Sam's house. And she's like, oh, God, no. And I'm like, no, but he bought sharks this time. it's going to be different. And so yeah, like go over there and this fucking guy. He's got like tiger sharks in a swimming pool.

And he put table salt in the pool thinking that was. I mean, so I go over there. I mean, it's like a whole thing, right? I go over there. I mean, on the way over there, I'm like, where the fuck's this guy going to put these sharks? Like, did he build an aquarium in his house? He's this guy's capable of anything, right? So I'm just like, so curious.

Like, where the fuck guy put the shark? So go over there. Sure enough, they're in the fucking swimming pool. And I go to the shallow end. I like grab the one by the tail and it's fucking. fucking blood comes out of the gills and the thing's dead i'm just like bro what like what the fuck you know like there's saltwater animals he's like you don't think i thought of that and just like stares me in the face and i just like look in the pool and there's like morton salt jacters and shit in there

and like i just like in that moment i just like realized this dude was like literally out of this fucking mind like he honestly thought that like throwing salt in the pool like made it like a salt water it's just yeah it's just kind of like i was trying to explain to lauren too that for you like because it sounds like you started taking off. You started winning big games, big money. But then you started also like staking other people who were bringing you money as well as they would win. Is that correct? Dude, it felt like the movie.

Like mailbox money almost. It felt like Scarface when they were just like had the duffel bags like going in. It was just like you just had so much money coming in. You didn't know what to do with it. I had I was making money on the fucking betting. I was making money staking guys. I was running a fucking poker game. I was making money from that.

I was making money playing. I was taking fees from the game when other people would play. People were tipping me hundreds of thousands dollars. I could take pieces of like the better players. I mean, it was just, I had money coming in from every fucking angle. And then I was sending guys to the town.

And how many years did it take you to get to that point? I was like relatively stagnant with my bankroll. I would say until like 2011-ish. Like I was a millionaire in college, but it wasn't in 2011 when I, started like making some real money and then in 2012 it was like the wheels came off and so when your dad sees this effort the success he's had and you're obviously having it in a different way what kind of

conversation takes place between you too oh i mean this fucking guy told me to like stop he's like just take the money and run you stop playing poker stop gambling like that was his advice basically the entire way it was like until i finally like was like fuck you like stop like enough like i'm buying a jet, you know, like, leave you the fuck alone. And so he, I don't know, he just didn't never understood it. I mean, he, he, he played blackjack. So it's just a different, different game, different mentality. Like, he never understood poker. Like, if you're a good poker player, you're not gambling. Like, you're fucking working. So, yeah, he didn't get it. And a lot of people don't get it. And so you start, you finally have the money. And then at what point do you

start to say, like, I'm going to start going on a fucking rampage? Because I think you were in that initial moment in Instagram where I don't actually don't think people could do what you did now on that platform. I think it was like a moment in time where you were fucking everywhere. It was so out there. It was so in people's faces. It was so counter to what most people were doing. It sounds like you had a strategy going in and mostly to get laid. But like at what point do you realize like, well, this is a real thing? Well, I realized like the fame piece was real and can. Like when I went there and like people were just coming up to me nonstop. This big like A list actor like asked me to like, asked his manager to come over to see if he can talk to me.

It's like, yeah, of course. Like, and then what's his name? Fucking Rick Ross asked me for a photo. I was like, oh, shit. Like I made it, you know? I got Justin Bieber laid. I was like, you know, this trip was like 12 days or something, you know? And it's like, I fucked a girl out saying a word.

No, like literally like, I was like, didn't say one word. I fucked two sisters in a bathroom, like one sister in a bathroom and then like got my dick stuck with the other sister in the same day. like I was just crazy shit you know it was like it was shit that like is this because they see your platform and they just like that was a part of it for sure but I just like I just tried things you know what I mean like I wouldn't have tried to fuck a girl without talking her before that never would have like cross my fucking mind I wouldn't have tried to like fuck a girl in a bathroom you know what I mean and you know like I just like I don't know it just wouldn't occur to me to do shit

like this you know but I was like fuck it like whatever you know I was like on quayloos And I was like having fun and this like, fuck it. You know, let's push the limits. Just like everything was cool. Like girls were just down to do crazy shit, you know, and they were coming up to me in the club. Like it was just like, it was such a different experience than I was used to. You know, like, I through most of my life had to like go talk to girls. And like now it was like these girls were coming to me.

And it was like coming to me in such a quantity that I had to like decide who I wanted to bang that night. I had never been in that spot where it's like multiple girls that had to pick who I wanted to have sex with. It was just like that was not a normal thing for me. So like, and I was inundated with all this so fast because before that, I didn't really like leave my house that much. I was like in L.A. And I was, I had the poker games. I had a bunch of pool parties.

And I, you know, I fucked shitload of girls and it was all cool. But it wasn't like just total strangers in public in a foreign country. Like, it was just like different. You know what I'm just? I saw it. I expected to get laid. Like when I'm having a poker game and I got all these fucking massage girls like trying to grab me and shit like, like, I'm,

expecting, you know, if I want to get late, it's going to happen. Like, it wasn't a surprise. But like, when I'm out in just like a foreign fucking country, doesn't you speak English? You know what I mean? I have a funny story for you. Lorne and I were in Capri and it might have been in like 2000. When were you there? When you had that giant ship with the fucking Ignite logo on it? Oh, 19. So I'm like sitting there having a cocktail with her and I look over and there's like a harem of people and like the streets are swarming. I'm like, what the fuck? And it was you in the middle. It was hysterical. It was but he was but to your point, it was pandemonium. People were going. People don't understand.

No, no, no, I saw it. It's in every country. This is like in India. This is in Thailand. This isn't like the fucking obscure places. I mean, granted you had about 25 women with you or however many were with you. No, no, I get it. But I'm just saying like the craziness of it.

Like you see like, because I see these TikTok guys that I have like 30 million followers. I'm like, nobody I know has ever heard of this motherfucker. When I had like a million and a half followers, it was like world renowned. But I think like my shit was a slightly different because I was. I would get this international press and like daily mail would do something like 200 other articles around the world would be run on that same article. And so I was getting like this international press. And then also had a lot of people like watching my shit that couldn't like actually follow.

So I think for a lot of the time, it was like underrepresented. That's what I'm saying is I see people now and like, you know, in the business where we see they like, oh, look at this fall. And like half the time like, who the fuck is this person? I never knew. But you were in a moment in time where like I think even if the following was lower to your point, it wasn't 30 or 20, whatever it is. Like everybody kind of knew that was on that platform.

And I'm not kidding. Like Warren and I were out there. She was pregnant. We were just like walking the streets and all of a sudden this harem of women with you in the middle comes down. And people just going nuts. It was like. Was that the trip that the girl left her boyfriend to suck your dick in the car? No.

That was a different trip. That was before. This was the one. Just trying to get my trips. Just trying to get the time lines. Yeah. This was the one where the girl fucked the waiter and videotape. And you sent her home.

I mean, yeah. She because she fucked up my sleep that night, you know, like, I honestly like, your love score was off. No, if I had a whoop, it would have been fucking disasters. I was like,

I was so like, relaxed. Like I sent all the girls to the fucking club. I was like, she like texts me like, oh, I want to have four or some with you and this girl and this girl. I'm like,

I'm crashing like tomorrow or something. And then she was like, not tonight. I honestly had like the least amount of sex on that trip of like almost any yacht trip I've ever been on. It was the craziest thing. It looked like you were running a cruise ship, dude.

It was insane. It was a 300 foot. fucking like literal cruise ship. We had to, we could see it from the hotel. We were up in that Ponto jar and I was looking down. I'm like, what the fuck is that guy doing down there?

It was bananas. It was nuts. And I had put on there just like too many girls that I was like dating. Because normally what I'd do is I'd have, I don't know, three, five, maybe six girls that I was dating on a trip at any given time and then a bunch

of new ones. This was like almost all girls that were like girls that I had been dating. So it was like this, just this tension and it was just different. Let me ask you something man to man. Yeah. How do you, if you're dating six women.

I was dating 50. I was dating 50. Okay, one alone drives me fucking nuts. I love you. But I mean, how do you deal with all of these? I'm curious about that too.

And like all of these mixing personalities and people vying for your attention. So it's stressful. It's actually harder when it's less. So when I was dating 50 or 100 girls was actually less headache than when I was dating like five. Because when I was dating less, they expected more. And it was a different standard. When I was dating all these girls,

they were just like happy to get. time when it was less when it was like four girls or whatever then now they're competing to be like the main girl and so now there's like caddiness there's this there's that you know if i fuck like one girl more than the other girls they get mad like it's like 50 or 100 none of it matters like it's just like they get the time when they get the time they're happy to be there like everything nobody bitches about anything there's no jealousy it's just like am i right that you have a soft spot for jessa and lindy i got that vibe and jessa i know jessa i really like her i think she's cool and She totally has masculine energy.

But it felt like you had a soft spot for both of those girls. Putting on the spot. Well, I wouldn't say a soft spot. I had very different interactions of the both girls. So just I dated like seriously and monogamously for almost three years. And she was like one of my like first like like serious like true loves. Like she tattooed my name on her pussy. Like it was like, you know, a real thing.

What the fuck, one. That was like a very different relationship. But Lindsay and I, like, met at the Playboy Mansion. We had good sex. It was cool. Like, I decided to just like randomly make her famous. She had huge tits. I was happy.

Like, like, whatever. Like, we dated for a relatively short period of time. She knew what it was. And I just, like, decided to make her famous like a social experiment. And she for her whole life has always like, give me credit. One of the few girls, I've made like so many girls famous. It's ridiculous. And she was like the one one girl that actually like continued to like, you know, be like,

you know, Dan did this. Like most girls, I didn't even get a fucking thank you. She actually like, so I always had respect for her because, you know, she'd like kept it real and she was actually like appreciative, you know, that I, that I helped her out. And I was like, you know, for me, I was happy to help her out. I didn't care. Like she was cool. I didn't want anything serious at the time.

And, you know, we had fun. And I just had nothing but good things to say about her. Jess and I had a much more like tumultuous relationship. It was like very toxic, you know. And so we, we had our ups and downs and our battles. and Lindsay was on Juicy Scoop, a podcast, and she was so cool about you on the podcast. She got asked all these questions about you. And she was really complimentary and really cool.

You're right about that. She gave you credit. The thing that like a lot of people don't realize is like almost every girl that I've hooked up with for the most part, doesn't anything bad to say about me. You know what else is interesting? Like nobody else in Hollywood has fucked thousands of girls and had no fucking issues with any of them. You also don't give off a, I was telling Katie this earlier, you don't give off a creepy energy. Like sometimes when guys are like screwing all these girls, there's like a creepiness to it. There's not a creepiness to it. I was a guy that like I was never like aggressive with girls.

If I didn't feel like a girl really wanted to fuck me, I was done with it. So that's why I've like never had any rape allegations. I've never had any sexual, none of this shit. And I, of all the fucking guys in the world you would think would, but because I cultivated a very different energy, which was like, I created a situation where the girls were like fighting to hook up with me, that that was just, it was just different. And, but for me, like, I had to feel like a girl really was into me or I just like couldn't get it in the sec. That's why I'd never like really fucked. I mean, I've obviously fucked hookers, but not very many. It would have saved me a lot of time and a lot of headache and a lot of like mindless conversations to like have sex

with hookers. But for me, like if I felt like the girl only wanted to have sex with me for like a dollar amount and not for like any other reason. They need to be a desire. Yeah, it was like hard to get into. I couldn't get into it. Like part of the like for me like part of having like really good sex is like really like super into me and super into the sex. And like that makes it better for me. It's not like some crazy technique or whatever. It's just like she's super into it. So if I didn't feel that vibe, then it's like whatever. There's plenty of girls that I'll find that with. So again, I think like part of the reason we wanted to talk to it, a few, but you know, you read your book, and what are those things called where the other people

contribute in the book? Oh, vignettes. The vignettes. Like, not just the women that you've been with, but a lot of men, like, so many people maybe share things about you that are counter to what you see from the image or from the videos that you post, right? Like, they mostly talk about what you do to help other people. They talk about you being a good friend.

They talk about you being no bullshit. Like, the women have nothing but nice things to say. And I think what's interesting is obviously you're a polarizing character. You know that. you obviously grab a lot of attention for some of the stuff you post. But I think there's just this other side that when I'm reading the book, I'm like, there's a whole other person with a lot more depth here. Well, I leave with my worst, you know.

So I'm like the opposite of a politician. They try and convince you how fucking good they are. I shovel all my shit right in your face. So it's like, I'll give you tons of reasons to hate me. Like you can have them. Here they are like, whatever, love it or hate it. This is part of who I am. Like I said, I leave my worst.

I don't talk about my charity. I don't talk about like, you know, good shit. because like I don't need a fucking pat on the back for that stuff like I don't care if everybody likes me like I'm not here to win a popularity contest so for me like the Instagram was a social media experiment it was just like I wanted to see if I could make myself famous like I told my buddy who did the Paris Hilton fuck tape I was like I'm gonna be more famous in Paris Hilton you laugh at me and I was like okay I think I could do it you know this is like when I didn't like hadn't even started Instagram like it's like just starting it or whatever does the media always twist everything

with you because you wrote about the Las Vegas shooting and what I found so interesting about that chapter is is you sort of were explaining the whole entire situation and you talked about how you were trying to get a gun out of a police car. So I've got the whole video if you want to watch it. So I'm like there like the the headlines were damsels are in flees, you know, Marine calls him a coward all this shit. I was literally there for the shooting was like nine minutes. I have a video of like six and a half minutes of it. You know what I mean? So like I was there literally the entire shooting. We took two girls to the hospital and then I came back and I was there for fucking two hours.

But if you had picked up a gun, you, the way you look, you would have been shot at. That was such a good point that you said. That's another thing is like, you know, you like sometimes you think you know what you want. Like at that time, I wanted a gun so fucking bad. I remember I had the keys. I was in the fucking cop car. I was trying to get this fucking shotgun unlocked. I was trying so hard.

The fucking bullets are going by my fucking head and shit. I just really, I wanted that gun so. bad and I could not fucking unlock this motherfucker. It's like one of those bad dreams. I'm like, you got a gun. You're trying to shoot the fucking guy. Could you see him? No, but nobody, nobody knew he was. I thought everybody thought this guy was in the crowd with the fucking machine gun mowing people down. Right. So I just wanted to get a gun. And I couldn't get this fucking shotgun out. Ran over this girl. Fucking shot in the fucking head. We like her friends like, I'm like, hey, bring her to the cop car.

And I went back in there. I was going to drive the cop car. Keys were fucking gone. Then the guy starts fucking shooting again. So we fucking run over towards the Mandalay. And some cops are like running away. We stop it. We're going towards it.

They're running away. We stop at a fucking, whatever. It's cement, fucking block or whatever. Barricade. Yeah, yeah, barricade. And I showed him like my police ID or whatever. And I was like, yeah, if I could have a fucking gun. I guess I'd seen too many Bruce Willis movies or whatever.

I mean, I was a fucking guy. I literally like four days before that. I'd like kick the fucking door off his hinges in New Mexico to serve a murder warrant. So it's not like, you know, I wasn't an actual fucking cop. Like I was serving fucking high risk warrants. Like I was a fucking police officer for like three and a half years. So it's not, you know, like every online. It's like, oh.

But again, I feel with you, everybody's just so determined to never give you any credit. Oh, 100%. But they, you know, they never caught me. Like all these years are trying to get the got you a moment. Like. But like what the, I mean, here's the thing. You're in one of it. Was it the largest shooting?

in U.S. history? Yes. Okay. So you're in that shooting. Everyone's commenting about what you should have done or what you should have done. And the meantime, you're like, you're like, you weren't at the fucking shooting. You know, I'm running towards the fucking mandalay, trying to get a gun from multiple locations, then take two girls to the hospital the next day, deliver fucking 10,000 pounds of water, go to the hospitals, fucking deliver food, like doing all this shit while some fucking retard Marine is like on his fucking keyboard, like talking about what I should have done in the situation. It's just like, these guys are such fucking clowns. But at some point, I mean, again, and you've played up a lot of this image to your benefit and you've figured out how to kind of like create these

systems and quote unquote like these setups does it start to nag at you though at some point when you like you know because i was telling lorne what you've accomplished in poker is no easy feet how you started staking people how you started making money everybody that thinks it's that easy it's like go try it it's not that easy and all the other stuff the seal trading it's almost like nobody ever gives you credit yeah no but i've you know it's just tough like i've been underestimated my whole life you know And I've always tried to use that to my advantage. And I have used that to my advantage. So it's something that I've just like come to terms with.

But it doesn't bother you. I mean, I've had so many people tell me how fucking great I am on the internet. They don't know me. And I've had so many people tell me what a fucking scumbag. I just kind of like you can't, you can't walk down the fame road and worry about what people think about you. If you do, you're literally going to go insane. I was talking, we were talking to Ellie Golding on this show a few weeks back. And I was saying the, the scary thing.

thing in my personal opinion, and obviously not the same level with fame is that I feel like there's a certain point where if you go past it, you're done. Like you can't put the genie back in the bottle. Like you like if you there's certain people, the Justin Bieber's yourself, certain people that get to a level. It's like, hey, if you, if you were right now like I don't want this anymore. I want my property back. I haven't barely posted in like last three years. But that's my point it's too late. I was going to ask you that. Why? But it's too late for you, I think. I just don't care. Like I feel like social media is like a video game. I beat like fucking eight years ago. And I'm like everybody's playing the same game. I'm like tired of playing it. Like I look at social media like a

fucking cancer. Like to me, I think it's a worst thing to be happening in a society. So I just like it just cringe to perpetuate that problem. Like I said, I'm like I'm focusing on a site right now to like try and like help people out and I want to like, you know, focus on that. And I just I did what I came to do with social media. Like I got fucking super fucking famous. Like I got all the pussy. Like I climb these mountains and it's like you can only climb the same mountains for so long before it gets born honestly i was like kind of over a lot of this shit before i started ignite like around about that time but i did it for like the company and so like you have to understand i've been doing something that i feel like i've already done for a while like i'm just like ready to like climb something new do something new

because i've already done it but does it get tiring at this point because like you said you haven't put wins a last time you posted in 22 or something like that yeah and i still feel like if we were to go with you right now to the casino and we're going to go out you're going to get bombarded you're going to get stormed yeah never ends like i i recognize that like i've lost my privacy so what do you i mean to me like and again like that would drive me insane at some point i mean it's got to be nice for certain things but do you ever like look at him like god damn i want my privacy back i've always been a pretty like private person i wasn't like a guy that like went to fucking ball games and went to dive bars and i just like i don't know i was never really like i was never really like i was never

really like out in general populace like almost my whole life like it's in the military then i was in college then i was gambling like i mean i'm introvert it flying private for fucking you know 15 years like i just i don't really like i'm not out there in the mix as much so if i was in g pop more often you know like i it would yeah it would be a lot like it's a lot to deal with for sure like when i go out i have to just like mentally acknowledge that this is what it's going to be. And like, I've also like, you know, decided that I'm going to take every photo too. So that makes it like super brutal because it's just like, man. That's what people want the selfie. Yeah. I just, you know, I had this moment with Denzel back in like 2012, maybe 13 or around about that

Denzel. Yeah. Where I did a first name, we're not on first name with Denzel. Yeah. Oh, neither am I. I'm sure you didn't still know who the fuck I am. but I did the scene with him in a movie and he killed me, like, dying on a barbed wire noose. And he's like staring at me while I'm dying and spitting out blood and shit. And he complimented me on my death. It's a few words. I still remember it, you know. And so I guess, and he wasn't like a childhood hero of mine or anything like that.

But it's just an acknowledgement of good work. Yeah, he was a good actor. And he gave me a compliment. It was a fucking split second of his time. that I've remembered and it meant a lot because I'm a shitty actor and I tried to do it. Right. I mean, I think I did a good job in that movie. But anyways, the point is that a lot of times it won't be that much time for you,

but it'll be an impact for the other person. And so it's just like the right answer to do it. It's like you see an old lady fall. Like you help her up. Like I don't know. To me, it's like the same thing as seeing an old lady fall. Somebody asks me for a photo and it means a lot of them to get a fucking picture. I'll take the fucking picture.

Do I want to know? I don't fucking like taking pictures, especially when I'm fucking mushrooms. I'm looking at the goddamn camera. My face is melting in the fucking screen. They want to try to have a conversation with me. But like I still fucking do it. You know? So I just mentally like acknowledge like this is my bed.

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You know, I like checked every single pleasure seeking box to the end of the earth and then kept going. so like I'm one of the few people that can like acknowledge that that's it was it fun like of course it was fun and like pleasure spikes are great but it's not a road that'll lead you to happiness so I would not recommend him go down the same path of me would you ever have kids it's possible would you ever get married that is less likely you know as gambler bet in half your net worth you're going to love a chick forever is given my experience what I've seen I hear Here's my thing with marriage. I feel like, are there marriages at work? Yes. Are there people that are happily married, of course? Is marriage a good thing if you have kids? Probably.

But I also see the other side of it, which is so many people that have gotten married and then become complacent because of that marriage. Or, you know, usually a relationship is like two magnets. And I give this example a lot. One magnet, if you get too close, the other magnet pushes away. And the same way into the side. Right. So if you've got one person that's, a little bit more into the relationship of the other, which is usually the case. It's very rare that everybody's like equally in it, right? Like somebody's usually a little bit overreach and, you know,

like a little bit better than the other way. Michael's way more obsessed with me than I am with him. Be it as it may. This is a moment when I just shut up, you know? Some person is usually like kind of more in it than the other, right? And so what happens is when you get locked in like that, now you have to ask the government permission to break up. The person that was less locked in sometimes feels more

trapped and then the person that's been trying really hard to keep that person that's maybe like above their fucking pay grade stops trying trying quite so hard you know what I mean then it's like there becomes a little bit of animosity that builds up right like all of a sudden you got your dick sucked every night and now it's like only on Tuesday and Wednesdays you know and then it's like okay now once every couple weeks you know what I mean it's like or you know or the chick is you know getting less fit or the guy lets his fucking belly go or you know what I mean like whatever the case is when you're not married and the other person doesn't act right your girl starts flirting with another dude I'm fucking out the door right but if

I'm married to this bitch and now I got to get fucking permission from the government and give her half of my shit I'm going to put up a little bit more flirting right but that's going to come with animosity you know what I'm saying and so it's like I think the best relationships are when both people want to be together just because they enjoy each other's company, not because they're forced by the government, not because they have some fucking title, not because of some pressures, not because they have a kid.

They feel like it would be bad for the kid to not be together, but because they just want to hang out with each other because they enjoy each other's company. That to me is the perfect relationship. I don't need government permission for that. I get why women push for it. If you're going to have a kid, if you're going to give up your fucking career,

you're going to make sacrifices. I understand you want a little security. It's like I get the whole. premise of marriage, right? Like, you want a tax break or whatever the fuck. You're in the military. You want that extra pay. Tax break's not that great to be honest. But I'm saying, like, you want to live off basic. In the military, there's a big incentive to get married. You know, marriage is actually, like, pushed a lot on like the, you know, people with less money. It's like a lot more benefits come from them, you know, just like, you know, having more kids is encouraged by people that are like

under the poverty line. They get more welfare. It's like, you know, so anyways, I, to me, like I said, I think it makes sense for some people, but I think as a general rule, I think relationships are worse off when there's more pressure put on them. And I believe that marriage puts pressure on a relationship. And I think people act the best when each of them can leave. Like if he starts fucking acting like an asshole, he starts checking out your sister, you could be out the door. Maybe he won't check out your sister. Shit, Dan, I should have talked to you before I got married. Fuck. It goes the other way too. You don't know what I mean? You stop sucking the guy's dick. you know what I mean?

He's like, I always rally. Good. It's working out so far. We haven't got to the Tuesday Thursday. But if that ever starts to happen, I'm going to call you up and say, we've got a problem. I mean, honestly, though, but relationships just work best when both people are trying hard. And that's what happens a lot of times when both people can walk.

They both want, you know, the other person to stick around. They want the other person to be happy. Some people, selfish people, get lazy. And when they're in a relationship, they know they got the other person locked up and they got half this motherfucker's money. They stopped trying. And now all of a sudden, this guy's like, oh, shit. this girl just wanted me for my money because now she's not doing all these things because

she knows she's fucking got me and then it clicks in his head and then he you know what I'm saying and then he starts fucking you know it's just like this slippery slope I also think like I was reading another part of your book and you were talking about how people put so much into chasing different people with man woman or whatever and you and basically what you were saying is the secret to having power with women is not needing them and also finding happiness being by yourself and being on that was great and having your own shit going on and having your own accomplishments And I think one thing that I think is difficult for men and women in relationships, it's like they feel like the relationship is what completes them as a person.

And they don't go back and do the work on themselves to just be a solid person individually. Yeah, a lot of people, they basically get codependent or they get lazy or, you know, a lot of things. Like, I feel like a lot of people in relationships because they're scared that they can't do better or they're just too lazy to go out and try or like, I don't know, I just see a lot of people that are doing it wrong. But you're right to, I mean, like, I think about Lauren and I's marriage. And I think we're both the type of people where like, I'm fully confident that if I went

off on my own, I'm going to be good. And I'm fully confident that she knows if she went off on her own, she's going to be good. And I actually think that that makes the relationship stronger because it's a little bit of a check where it's not like I'm sitting there clinging to her and she's not clinging to me. Two people that don't need each other. That's, I mean, that's really like at the end of the day where you want to be. Yeah. And I don't, I mean, she's probably sitting there.

Like, what do you difference is this motherfucker thinking now? But you get my point. And it's like, I think so many people, they think that their life becomes complete as they get into a relationship. And that, you know, other person validates them or makes them a whole person. And I think, yeah, they need something. They go in there with a need. And like, if you can just go in there, like I said, because you want to hang out of the other person, then it's more, it's a lot more pure than if like you need attention or you need companionship or you need this, you need that, you know, then you're kind of like pulling on the person, you know. It's desperate energy. How do you get to a place where you legitimately don't care how you're perceived and what people think of you? Because I think the pendulum has swung so far to this politically correct bullshit and everybody walking on eggshells about what they can say that it's actually like a beacon and it's refreshing when certain characters just say and speak their mind. And I think the reason people are so fed up with politics in this country is because you just feel like people aren't telling you the truth.

It's just a constant stream of bullshit. How do you get to a place where you're just comfortable being you speaking your mind? When does that take place? Is that before social media? Is that after? Is it a principle you had going into it? I think a part of it is like having financial security. I think not needing people, not giving a fuck if you lose an endorsement, not caring about this. Like that's why it surprised me so much that the rock is such a puppet is because like he's got too much money to be doing this shit. You know, like I don't understand it. I would think that like authenticity would, you know, be the most important thing. For some people, it is. Hollywood.

He's in Hollywood. Yeah, it's like a lot of puppets, you know? A lot of people just like, you know, continuing the charade. Yeah, I was like, people talk about, I mean, people get mad when we talk about on the show, but like this cancel culture thing. I'm like, you can only be canceled if you give somebody leverage over yourself, whether that's leverage over your career or leverage over an endorsement or like, yeah, like you don't give them the leverage.

Exactly. If you have enough money, you really can't be canceled. Because like what is being canceled? It's like losing endorsements, losing this. But it's all money. You don't give a fuck. about that, they can't control you. You know what I'm saying? The key is to have enough money and then nobody can cancel you.

I'm not going to stop being famous because like people fucking, you know, decided one day that like I said something wrong. Like, and just not being afraid of being canceled and not even fucking allowing it to like enter into your like headspace, I think eliminates its possibility like in and of itself because I was never worried about being canceled. I never fucking cared. Like I, you know, I knew the fame wasn't just going to go away. Honestly, we'd have been happy if it fucking did.

And so I've just always said what the fuck I wanted to say. And I've never filtered myself. So the internet comes for the apologists too. They just. Well, the moment you apologize, you've lost. Like, unless you genuinely feel bad about what you've done. Sure. Well, then that's different.

But almost all these motherfuckers that have apologized, I've apologized because they get pressure because they're fucking, you know, manager says so or their sponsor or their fucking sugar dad. or whatever the fuck it is. Like, you know, this pressure comes down and they decide like they need to fucking bend a knee. And it's just, that's just wrong. Like, I never apologize for Jack shit unless I actually meant it.

Like, have I fucked up? Of course. You know what I mean? Like, I don't know. I don't like issue apologies because people tell me to issue apologies because it's fashionable to issue an apology. I didn't post a fucking black square. I didn't fucking like virtue signal.

Like, I didn't fucking tell people to wear a mask. Like, I didn't do any of that shit. I didn't follow the rest of these fucking sheep. Like when everybody does something, I don't feel the need to fucking do it. And I've just always been like that. This is kind of how I'm wired. So I don't understand when all these people just do what everybody else is doing because they're doing it.

Like that just seems strange to me. Well, the scariest thing to me, and I told Lauren this, I've said it multiple times, about the last few years is how quickly people are just to get in line and just to do what they're told. He saw it with the jab. It's, I mean, it's scary how quick people are just like. like, I'm just going to, you know, everyone's doing it, everyone's saying it. I might as, like, and you, and you watch these people kind of like try to validate things in their head or like,

you know, rationalize. And it's, it's, it's almost like they're trying to talk themselves into it. They don't really believe it. I don't care if everyone wants to do something. Go do it. But don't, don't make me do it. Don't try to get me to do it. Leave me alone. That's the problem with, like, the Democrat stance is it used to be about, like, freedom, your body, your choice. like all this stuff and now they've just become massive hypocrites like I actually used to be like more of a liberal than I was a conservative for sure like when my grandfather used to fucking be spouting off all of his like conservative shit I was just like I was on the other side legalized weed you know what you want yeah like do what the fuck you want yeah like so but in recent years

it's become like this opposite message it's like you know like freedom of speech if you agree with us otherwise we're going to silence you. It's like your body of your choice until it comes to fucking like, you know, taking a fucking jab and then you have to do it or you're, you know, a fucking piece of shit and like screw your freedom. And it's just like all this stuff. And to me, like freedom of speech is the fucking first amendment for a reason. Like that's important.

And like everybody's not going to agree with you. And it's okay. I don't want everybody to agree with me. I want people to have their own opinions. Like I want people to challenge me if they think I'm fucking wrong. Like I want like people that like have differing views. Like I don't want an echo chamber of fucking yes men. Like I want like challenges.

And that's what everybody should want, you know. But like when one side decides to silence another, you look in history. Like when did that happen? The Holocaust. Like you look at like these fucking catastrophic events and how did it happen? Media propaganda. Silencing one side, you know, like this idea that we are right and they're wrong. And it doesn't matter like what the cost or, you know, like,

what we have to do to win. And it's like you look in history, like with Mao, with all these like Stalin, Hitler, like all these people that have done, you know, trojous things killed millions of fucking people. And what is the common threat is like,

you know, we're going to take away people's guns. We're going to silence them. We're going to have the fucking, you know, propaganda machine, you know, promoter agenda,

whatever. And it's like, I don't know. If you don't see the similarities going on right now, it's like a little frightening. Well, people don't realize that extremes also get answered with extremes.

And the more you make people dig their heels and the more of an extreme position they're going to take. Right? Like, if I'm like, hey, Dan, be open to reason you do that. But if I'm like, Dan, don't fucking say anything, then you're going to dig in even deeper on whatever position you're holding. You're going to entrench yourself. And so it's hard to break through that and have a dialogue with people

because they get so entrenched in their ideals. Yeah, our country has just gotten more and more divided over the last few years. It's kind of like upsetting to see. It's gotten more racist, more divided. And really, like, totally unnecessarily. You know, like, everything was fucking fine. And like, we just had it so fucking. good that we just wanted to create a bunch of fucking problems.

You know, like, I didn't see any fucking racism. I didn't see any of these fucking homophobia. I didn't see any of these fucking issues that every acts is like a fucking national concerns. White supremacy is the fucking biggest threat to America. I've never even met a fucking skinnet. I've met fucking 100 million people probably in my fucking course of my life. You know what I mean?

I've been in the fucking military, travel all of the world, fucking, you know, college, like, you know, this, that. I don't think I've ever met a. single fucking skinhead. I'm not saying they don't exist, but they're certainly not the fucking number one threat in America. Like, and so to me, I just like, I just listened to this nonsense that the media fucking spews and it's just like a little concerning, you know, like, I remember when I was younger, I feel like the journalist had a little bit more integrity or a little bit more of a need to feel like they were going to report the facts or to do their due diligence. And now it's like Denzel said. It's like, you know, it doesn't matter who we heard. It doesn't matter.

if it's true, it's just like, just be first. Want to be first. Want to get clicks. Like we don't care if the headlines are right as long as people read it. You know what I mean? It's like that's what our media has turned into is this like clickbait fucking. It's like literally what the national inquire used to be. I think it's one of the worst things about social media because I think social media amplifies that kind of behavior from people that are in the journalistic fields where it's like they,

they're vying for attention because now they're not competing with a couple other channels. They're competing with the world and they're seeing how many people can click and share something as fast as they can based on something that triggers them, right? Like that's the whole goal now. I was like, let me see if I can trigger you so that you share this or promote it or talk about it or comment it or engage in it. Yeah. And it's attention spans of shortened.

You know, it's like what can we do to elicit emotion instead of like reporting a real story and everybody's so used to like these things that capture your attention and these things that elicit emotion that it's like when they're coming out with headlines, they're more interested in like triggering you or eliciting emotion. then they are to like actually tell the story. And so often they'll just print something that's completely undrue just to get people to click. You are very serious about your wellness. I'm taking a plot twist here because I want to get specifics.

You're very, very detailed about in the book you tell us even like how much steroids you're taking. Well, I'm going to my heaviest cycle. Tell us about if someone wants to take steroids, what's the what's the tips? Well, the first thing would be to get your blood work done. So, like establish a baseline, determine whether or not you're even a candidate for doing hormone replacement therapy. I wouldn't recommend just ripping a cycle for anybody. I would recommend like going to a doctor, getting your blood work done, seeing where you're at.

Even if you decide, like, no matter what my blood work says, I'm getting on steroids, that's fine. Like, do what the fuck you want to do. Like, I don't care if you want a mainline drain. Oh, shoot heroin. It's your fucking body. Do what the fuck you want with it. But just make an educated decision, right? Like, figure out where you are.

Like, what if you have a naturally, like, super high, testosterone level. And now you go shoot testosterone and now you have to shoot it for the rest of your life. Like, I mean, I do that. Like, people do that. Like, it's a decision you can make, but like, I wouldn't have done it if I had like a naturally occurring 1,100, you know, so, but, you know, everybody's got their choices to make, right? All I'm saying is just do it educated. Like, go get your blood work, make a decision and then do it correctly. Like, do your research. Figure out, like, what, like, know what it means. Like, if you take too much testosterone, it'll convert to estrogen via aromatization, right? So like if your testosterone aromatized into estrogen, now all of a

sudden you've got a higher estrogen in your body, then your body's capable of handling. You're going to grow breast tissue. You're going to become emotional. You're going to have night sweats. You're going to have trouble sleep. There's all these things that come with it, right? So you have to know what to look out for. And then there's a pill that you can take to just counteract that. Right. So like there's things that you can take and you can do this relatively safely if you do it informed. If you just go haul off and just shoot a bunch of fucking shit in your leg and you don't know like what it is or what to look out for, then you can have like irreparable side effects that you'll deal with for the rest of your life, like growing female breast tissue as a man. Like, you know, it's like counterintuitive.

You'd think like having a high testosterone level would make you less likely. But really like it can turn into estrogen. Your body wants to establish some kind of like balance. Right. So if you have super high test, your body naturally wants to like raise your estrogen to kind of like have somewhat of a balance. And so there's just like, I would say education, you know, education, blood work, like, you know, finding a doctor that understands hormone replacement therapy and just doing it like safely so that you don't fuck yourself well. I'm going to have to. No, I think testosterone would be fun for you. If you, if, are there other wellness practices that you do on a day to day basis? Like you, you do the ice bath. I saw sauna. What else? Yeah, I do a lot. I do, um, sauna's ice bass.

to do peptides, they do NAD. I do stretching. I do cardio. I lift weights. What do you do for cardio? You got to be like so detailed with us. Tell us exactly what you do. I do incline sprints, like 30 second intervals. So like 30 second like balls of the wall. I like the maximum incline. And then I rest for like a minute and then go to do another one. So I do like some hit training like that. Other times I'm doing like longer duration, lower heart rate stuff. So just like incline walking at like three miles an hour. Are you still doing cycling like you did when you cycled from Vegas to L.A., right? No, no, I'll go for like an hour or two hour, a ride now. That is so gnarly that you did that. Talk to us about that. The funniest part about that is after you did at what your, your commentary on

cyclists. That was so funny. Because they're just huge pussies that overestimate the difficulty of the sport. I mean, they all said that I had a zero percent chance to do it. And I ripped it with like 16 hours to spare. And I honestly believe that I could have turned around and gone back. Like, No, I'm serious. Like cycling is just one of those things where it hurts your balls though, I would think. Well, your ass. Like, yeah, your ass gets really sore and chafed and like can bleed and bruise.

Yeah, I mean, like, but you're not going to die. Like you can just keep fucking pedaling. Like, I don't know. It's like one of those things where like, just don't be a fucking pussy and just keep going. And you'll fucking bike a lot further than you think you can. I mean, certainly a lot easier than running. Like, I don't know. I just like, it was hard.

Like, don't get me wrong, like biking 300 miles and you're off the couch and you never rid more than five miles in your life isn't easy, but it's just wasn't as hard as everyone told you. It was going to be. No, they said it was impossible, which is like the craziest thing of all. It was like absolutely not impossible. It was fucking like relatively like easily doable for anybody that like really had fucking fucking serious determination. Like if I suck a gun to most people's head that are in reasonable shape, like they could just go do it.

Like would it be comfortable? No. Like would they be bleeding? Would they be fucking have a hard time walking? Like maybe. but like they'd fucking do it. Like if I told him I was going to fucking kill their mother and their family, like I bet you most people get on that goddamn bicycle and fucking ride to L.A.

What advice did Lance give you? He was the only person that told me that he thought I could do it. So and then the first question I asked him, spat out of my mouth before like anything else. Yeah, was like, what's the fucking steroid cycle? Like,

what do I do? You didn't want to tell me. I was like, fuck, man. I can learn to ride a bike for anybody. I don't want to know the juice. Well, that's a perfect example of like they like, they fucking thrashed him for that. Yeah.

If I was young, I would have been like, fuck you. I did steroids. So did everybody else suck my dick. That would have been my apology. Like you want my medals take them, but I fucking earn them. Everybody else is juice and fuck you. Honestly, and I think you would have done a lot better with that. But, you know, listen, he was getting a lot of heat from a lot of angles and he had sponsors and this and that.

I just have never been an apology guy, you know? I mean, but. You don't say. I don't know. I don't look at what he did as being wrong. Like everybody was fucking cheating to me. It's like, whatever you guys are.

No, but the most awkward thing. And I think all of us can say, anybody that's watched somebody go on these weird apology tours where you know they're not really fucking sorry. And they've just been told they have to do it to check a box. They're going to a whip dog to me. Yeah. And it's no,

it's terrible. And we, none of us like it's, listen, again, if I say something or do something and I've said a lot of wild shit on here and I'm sorry for it. And I feel like I've actually hurt someone and,

you know, maybe I misspoke. I will apologize. And I'll say, okay, that wasn't poor taste. But if I'm not sorry, I'm not going to say I'm sorry because I'm not fucking sorry.

Yeah, I hear you. I mean, it's also, you know, different when you're facing it, you know, and I'm sure he was facing it,

you know, from a lot of different angles. And I'm sure it wasn't a fucking, you know, easy thing for him. I mean, I've, I've faced it and I've said,

fuck you. So I know what I would do in the spot. But I think a lot more people would cave than you would expect. You know, I think a lot of people would say they wouldn't. But I think when it comes down, when everybody, you know, it seems like everybody fucking hates you. The media is fucking shitting on you and the fucking world is coming down in your

fucking head. You're losing your fucking money and your fucking sponsorships are going out the window. And this is like the only thing you think you can do to save yourself. Like, you're surprised what people do in desperation. You know, Benny Binion had a good quote. He said, people are honest as long as they can afford to be. It's a good quote. Easy to fucking, you know, do the right thing when, you know, you got a bunch of money and everything's

fucking going good. But when the shit hits the fan and it's like, everybody says, like oh i wouldn't rat but when they're facing fucking 50 years to life and they got to fucking you know give up one guy and they're gonna fucking get a you know you're gonna get five years they're gonna walk you know their their talk becomes very cheap so there's a lot of people that talk to talk you know we find out when the shit hits the fan like who's gonna walk it and so far not a lot of people have said to fuck you most people bend the knee most people apologize sounds like we got a lot of cyclists in this country

said or your dad said in the book that you shouldn't write it and put it out what does he think now does he still think that probably the same thing he doesn't he doesn't approve to much of what i've done of my life really yeah he doesn't think it's fun and like you don't think there's an element of him that's i mean there's got to be there's not a normal human being why because he's never drank he never chased pussy he never hung out with the fucking guys like he was and he's not like most guys do that most guys care about those things. Like most guys that have made hundreds of millions of dollars that buy a Ferrari that'd fucking get a nice watch. They'd just like, I don't know. He just, is just a very different breed. He also got mad at you, which was so funny, you like got him out of

jail and you gave up your trust to get him out of jail. And you'd think, you'd think that your dad would be like, that's so like commendable son. And he was like pissed at you for months. He didn't talk to me for six months. But it sounds like both of you at the root of it. Tell me if I'm wrong. it's maybe a control thing. It's like controlling the environment, controlling the outcome, having predictability. Like you, I think, I was like trying to like understand the relationship between you and your dad. And I think you're, you obviously pursued different things in him. But it's a lot of it is like building control around and having control on the environment that you're in.

I think a big part of his motivation was control. I think that's why he wanted the money. It clearly wasn't to get girls. It clearly wasn't to fucking buy toys and flashy shit. So the only thing that would make sense would be control. I mean, listen, at the end of the day, like, like what are the root, you know, draws to money? It's usually like power, girls.

I mean, there's not that many. Etonomy. Yeah, yeah. Like not having a fucking list in anybody's shit, like freedom, whatever. Like there's, you know, there's different draws. But at a point, you've got freedom. Like you got a hundred million bucks. You got freedom.

Like, why do you need to go to fucking 500 million? You know what I mean? Like there's points where most people are like, okay, I'm good. Right. So if your goal was like freedom, then you probably stop at 200 million. Right. Like so I'm just saying like, clearly, the goal was not just that.

He could have easily had freedom and not had to listen to anybody's shit and do whatever the fuck he wanted with a couple hundred million bucks. I mean, this is in the 80s, dude. Back on a million bucks, you were set. This isn't now where you can't even buy a fucking house for a million bucks. Like back in the 80s, you were set with a million. So if he had 200, 300 or 400, where the fuck he had, you know what I mean? Like lots of fucking millions.

Like he was past that point, but he still was working 18, 19 hours a day every fucking day like just grinding and wanting to make more you know so it had to be power what else could it be i think there's a lot of people that look at your lifestyle and they envy the lifestyle and they want to know how to get the lifestyle but i think one of the like you kind of end the book talking about pleasure and happiness and you talk about some of the happiest moments in your life really had nothing to do with money or material things and i think like for somebody that's been on top of all these mountains and kind of quote unquote had it all had the women had the money had the experiences, the jets all of it.

Like what, how do you, how do you think about happiness and how do you think about pleasure? I think that pleasure can be stronger pulses, almost more like a drug. And happiness is more of a consistent thing. It's sustainable. And they come from different places. I think you get happiness from success, from helping other people, from progression, from relationships. from bonds, from spending time with people you like, you get pleasure from most of hedonism. You get pleasure from making more money, fucking a hot girl, getting a fast car, like, you know,

having power. Like there's like a lot of things. Most of them are like considered sins in the Bible and most of them are, you know, more in the hedonistic category. And that's why it's so enticing. You know, I don't think that there's a fucking devil and this and that. but I think these are like symbolic of hedonistic desires that don't lead you to the right place. So I think that you got to be careful when you chase the wrong things.

That's what I was saying in the book. If you guys want a funny ass book, I literally laughed out loud, especially at the part where you guys shoved shit up your ass. Steroids up your ass. Steroids up your ass. You still steroids up your ass. I read actually did shit out the steroids. In the kitchen sink with the chicken in the sink. You guys got to read this book.

It's so funny. And it's a different perspective. It's fresh. It's raw. It's called The Setup. It's on Amazon. I will put it in my Amazon storefront. Dan,

I'm sure people know where to find you. But if they want to find you and they want to check out what you're doing, where is that? The new website, all the things. Yeah, we're going to start a website called Sigma Society. Should be good for these people. What are you going to do? Exactly.

Basically, just help them get what they want out of their life. They want to get in better shape. If they want to, you know, have better relationships, if they want to be able to fuck girls. If they want. Last longer. Yeah. I mean, I can give advice on a lot of different things, you know, mindset, the whole kind of like perspective, having a good routine. Just, you know, a lot of things.

But basically the premise of it is you fill out a thing, you tell us what you want and we give your roadmap to get there. Cool. And where can they, it's called, say what the website is? Sigma Society. It's not up yet, but it'll be up yet. And if they want to get your Ignite. Those are on the website in the U.S. and then we're in like, I think 30 countries right now.

Strawberry banana is so cute. It's pink. Yeah. Dan, thanks for taking the time. Thanks for coming on. Appreciate you taking the time, man. You guys, go check out his book. Today is a huge fucking giveaway, a huge one.

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