The Bossticks - Dana James - The Archetype Diet, Weight Management, Nutrition, & Functional Medicine

Episode Date: December 4, 2018

#154: On this episode we sit down with Dana James, MS, CNS, CDN who is a triple certified nutritionist, functional medicine practitioner, and cognitive behavioral therapist. On this episode we discuss primarily women's weight loss, the different archetype diets, weight management and nutrition. We also dive into how are diets and health can effect our moods and performance. To connect with Dana James click HERE To connect with Lauryn Evarts click HERE To connect with Michael Bosstick click HERE Read More on The Skinny Confidential HERE For Detailed Show Notes visit TSCPODCAST.COM To Call the Him & Her Hotline call: 1-833-SKINNYS (754-6697) WOO MORE PLAY is the all natural and organic coconut love oil that is changing the way we have sex. With only 4 all natural ingredients WOO is the perfect personal lubricant to spice up your sex life.  All Him & Her Listeners will receive 20% off your entire order plus free shipping when when visiting www.woomoreplay.com & using promo code HIMANDHER at checkout. This episode is brought to you by THRIVE MARKET. We use Thrive for our online grocery delivery on a weekly basis and now they have clean wines! They provide the highest quality products and ingredients delivered straight to our door with unbeatable prices.  Be sure to grab our deal by going to to https://thrivemarket.com/skinnywine to receive 25% off your first order ($20 max) + free shipping and a 30 day trial. This episode is brought to you by Skillshare. Skillshare is an online learning space offering more than 20,000 courses. Join the millions of students already learning on Skillshare today with a special offer just for our listeners: Get two months of Skillshare for just 99 cents. That's right, Skillshare is offering The Skinny Confidential listeners two months of unlimited access to over 20,000 classes for just 99 cents. To sign up, go to www.skillshare.com/skinny. 

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Welcome to the skinny confidential, him and her. Your experiences from childhood actually create your sense of self-worth. Your sense of self-worth then dictate your behaviors, including your food behaviors, those food behaviors that have a flow-on effect to the hormones in your body. That then shapes your body. And so if you want to actually lose a weight and change the shape of your body, because it's not just losing the weight, just where do you want to lose it? away from, then you need to eat in a way that supports those hormones, and you need to look at

the childhood aspect of that. Hey, everybody. How are we doing? Welcome back to the skinny confidential, him and her show. That was pretty fire intro, right? That clip was from our guests of the show today, Dana James, on this episode, we talk all things, health and wellness, weight management, weight loss, dieting, fitness, you name it. We talk about the archetypes of diet, the different archetypes, and Dana dives into that.

So for anybody that's interested in nutrition, health, wellness, this is the episode for you. My name is Michael Bostic. I am a serial entrepreneur and CEO of the podcast network, Dear Media, across from me, my wife, Lauren Everts, Bostick, with a hyphen. It depends on the day we're having. I'm Lauren Everett's Bostick, the creator of the skinny confidential. It's a blog brand, obviously a podcast. And I also think I'm a serial entrepreneur. Can I be on that train, babe?

You are on that train. You're running that train. I like it. This is a perfect episode around the holidays. Thanksgiving just ended. It's time to give back on track. My turkey gut is out of control. I have yams literally falling outside of my fat gut hanging over my stomach. Your dad did cut the line at Thanksgiving. There was a line of 30 people at his Thanksgiving. And I told his dad that there was no more spicy corn souffle. And immediately your dad hopped up and proceeded to cut the entire line of 29 people. Why does this happen to me at the end of a year? I just let myself go. Yeah, you and your dad. I'm gross looking. I got like tits. I got like this big floppy sack hanging over my belt.

It's gross. No, he doesn't. I'm gross. No, you aren't. I got to take better care of myself. Aw. Anyways, I'm going to re-listen to this episode and then maybe get myself back on track. Well, since we're on the subject, I feel like I should give three tips that have really

worked for me to tighten up before we get into this episode. These are just random tips and tricks that have really worked that I have seen results. from. The first tip is low resistant workouts. I have been doing this workout called The Method with my friend Ingrid and then I do the skinny confidential body guide with Kim Kelly and both of those are low resistance. So it doesn't spike my cortisol and give me all these hormones. It actually, in my opinion, doesn't make the skin sag because you're not running, right? It doesn't make the boobs sag because you're not running on the pavement. And like I said, it doesn't spark the cortisol. So I would highly recommend trying low resistant workouts. It's been life changing.

Another thing that I've been doing, and I think everyone should do their own research and be their own guinea pig, but this is what's worked for me is intermittent fasting. I've been doing it five days a week. I usually stop eating late and then start eating at 12 or 1. I do coffee with inuline or fiber in it, and that fills me up. And then I'll do tons of waters and teas. And it's not that I'm depriving myself. I'm just giving my digestive system a break and that's worked really, really well. And lastly, the other thing that's really worked for me, and this is just a lazy girl hack, is a great spray tan. A great spray tan takes 10 pounds off the situation. I better go get one right away. After Thanksgiving, I was hauling my ass to the spray tan store or the tanning bed store,

whatever you want to call it, to get a violet-toned spray tan. It's life-changing, especially if you're blonde, try it, Island Kiss, shout out to Mystic Tan. So those are my three little Thanksgiving holiday tips that you guys can try. Let me know how they work on my latest Instagram post. I would love to hear any of your hacks. All right, let's meet Dana. Before we jump into that, I want to talk to you guys about Skillshare. We talk about it all the time, one of our favorite sponsors, Skillshare. I love it. You should love it. You will love it if you try it. So what is Skillshare? Skillshare is an online learning platform. offering more than 20,000 courses online.

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Dana James is a triple certified nutritionist, functional medicine practitioner, and cognitive behavioral therapist. She takes a rare approach to women's weight loss. and putting self-worth at the center of the conversation. James believes that we need to address both the tangible and intangible, food and feelings, science and spirituality, conscious thought and subconscious thought. With that, let's welcome Dana James to the Skinny Confidential,

him and her show. This is the skinny confidential, him and her. I can feel Michael's cortisol. You can? You can? I can feel the excitatory. And I, because I've started to mirror. I was like, oh, my speed's a little faster.

I'm going to have to... I think I'm just generally an anxious person. No, there's a difference to you, right? Whether it's excitatory or anxiety. It may just be you're excited or you're up. I... And you just have excess adrenaline and noradrenaline and dopamine. That's my way of being as well.

Have you ever heard of Ascentia tremor? I haven't know. Why do you have to tell every single person in the whole world about this? Maybe it's a misdiagnosis, but my hands used to shake. And like I've always been somebody like, if I wait a... up in the morning, I just go. Like, it's not like a wake and slow period. I just kind of can get up. This morning I was trying to meditate with headspace and he sees I'm meditating. And I like to wake up like a cat very slow. And he's pounding on drawers and removing his boxers from drawers

in a way that sounds like, well, it's his stress release. Yeah, no, I'm getting it. It's more stressful for me to just sit there. Like, I like to get going. Yes. It's a heavy energy. I don't know. I haven't done a scam. Yeah. No, I just think that you need to, like, tone it down. And then he says, I'm worried about this. I'm worried about this. I'm worried about this.

Who knows? And this is going to be controversial. I always thought that I would be good in like, like, if I joined the army or something, you know, like when they got like, jump out of bed and go, I feel like I, I, not that I would have been a good soldier. I don't want to go that far because I've never been in the military and I get some shit. But I felt like I would have had their personality to, you know, kind of just jump out and go. Yes. I was talking to Lauren before saying, maybe that limbic system is a little bit on overdrive.

and that's the adrenaline and noradrenaline and it's sort of jammed on a little bit so that instinctive fight-flight go is like that's the drive for you How can we have some tools to fix that It comes in handy though Does he want to? That's really the question I think it comes in handy once in a while

Yes it does Once in a while not all day every day Yes because if you were about to be attacked by someone He would be there True right right there He's not like thinking about it He's going to be there But I'm not going to get attacked by someone when I'm walking to coffee in West Hollywood.

So it's like, could you calm down? You never, that's just, you're just the type of person that gets attacked. We won't say that. But yes, we can talk about that. So, yeah, for him, if he's got excess adrenaline and neurodrenaline and dopamine, then exercise and boxing would be really wonderful for him. And meditation may not be great because he can't calm the mind. He could transition into that later on.

But breath can be really powerful, different types of breath. A box from 12 to 21. Okay, but now you're not 21 anymore, so maybe we should get you back. Get it back into it. But I was saying this essential tremor thing, when I was a kid, I was with my handshake and I couldn't figure it out. And also, you know when someone comes up behind you and that clap your hands and you get like that kind of feeling, it's like, it gets me kind of like that.

You get a quick adrenaline. So I don't get a lot of that, right? And so the doctor told me, maybe I'm wrong, who knows, that my body constantly is releasing a little bit of adrenaline. Yes. And so I don't have the same like fear, fight, fight or flight reaction that a normal person has that doesn't have that, right? Because there's constant adrenaline being released. I don't know if that's true, but it would kind of make sense to me. Because when I used to box, you know, like when you have those kind of like fear blackouts, I don't really get that. I can, I can get into like a confrontation and be how I am right now

with you, which is, I've never actually talked about that, but it's strange. Like I can, it's very like calm to me. It's not, there's not like, oh my God, I'm in a blackout. I'm in a rage. I'm like, I'm scared, you know. So now that we've gotten his whole autobiography, what do you think are some tips and tricks that people who have high cortisol can do? You said boxing, not meditating. Well, I think we'll step back from that because cortisol is produced from one part of the adrenals, and then there's adrenaline and noradrenaline, which are produced from another component

of the adrenals, and they're different. And so, like, he might have normal levels of cortisol, but elevated levels of adrenaline and no adrenaline. And I was feeling it. I was picking it up in his voice. And so if you think he's always on, so he's ready to sort of run away or fight. So the perfect match for that would be something like boxing or getting into that, just exerting that excess adrenaline and noradrenaline.

And cortisol is a little bit different. So cortisol is that long-term stress hormone. And it comes in after the adrenaline and noradrenaline. And it's more chronic stress. And so for that, it's really looking at your lifestyle to say, well, what do I have going on that's causing me all of these stresses? And sometimes it's really difficult for somebody to look at because it might be that they're in a job that is really sucky for them and it's difficult to make that decision to actually leave or find something else, but that's

actually what they need to do. Or they're in a relationship that is very challenging for them. And a similar thing, it's either looking at how to work on having better communication with the person that they're in that relationship with or is it staying or staying or not staying. So cortisol is more that there is, it's the lifestyle and it's more a lifestyle change in that process. By the same token, you can be using things like adaptogens such as as aschua, rhodiola, cortisps, Rishi, all of those are really wonderful to sort of lower the cortisol levels, how to rebalance those. But they're almost like a band-aid without you really looking at, well, why am I so stressed? What's going on there? But what we're talking about with Michael, this might be some type of genetic wiring or even

just sort of what's happened how he was raised in his childhood that is sort of always on. My natural way is also being very up, very sort of adrenaline and noradrenaline and dopamine driven. So for me, like meditating was initially really hard because I would just be in that constant think, think, think, think. I'd be like ruminating or writing my to-do list or what was it going to do after I was finished my meditation. And I really had to go into breath to be able to settle the mind. Because ultimately what Michael wants to do here, is move where in the brain he's operating it from. So he's operating from the limbic part of the brain,

which is the back of the brain, and he wants to bring it forward a little bit more into the prefrontal cortex. Prefrontal cortex is where it's more rational thought. And so how do you do that? Well, actually, boxing is a great way to do that. I bring that up because you're really in the present. Boxing lessons.

It keeps coming up for him. And then breath does that as well. And it's not always slow breath. It's not like, let's go into this really deep breath. It can be, like that or there's one called fists of anger which is a kundalini career and you have an o-mouth breath where you're going and you're doing that for three minutes that's that drops the excess adrenaline and neuroadrenaline super fast I use that in my practice all the time and and I have New York

woman that come in and there's supercharged you know something's gone wrong with a subway and this is going on and you know the babysitter can't turn up and they're like ah I say okay let's just drop in a little bit and and and I do this. the O mouth breath, again, which is equal in and out with some fist movements, and I put on a song and we do it for three minutes. And afterwards they open their eyes and I say, has the color in the room changed? Everything looks saturated in color. Like it's like a techno color because they've just burnt off that excess adrenaline and noradrenaline. And then if we want to get into the esoteric aspect of it, you've got this atheric body that you can't see. And so you're moving like little tiny

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Get it for everyone. Enjoy. So Lauren is always, like she, she doesn't relate to the health, like my pace, right? I think that there is a stress element to it. Of course, like I get stressed. But I actually think that this pace for me, it makes me happy, right? It works. Like I'm managing a lot of people and a lot of projects, like meeting all the time with

people. Like, you caught me in the middle of my work day here. They were in our office. And so during this time and this period of the day, like I like to be moving fast because there's so much going on that the energy helps me get everything. done. Yes. But then there's a time when I got to figure out how to turn that off and calm it down. And that's where I think Lauren sees the struggle. But like right now in this like eight, nine hour period when I'm in the office, I love it because I'm just, I'm moving and moving and moving.

Yes. So are you a really good multitasker? I don't believe anyone is a very good multitasker, but I believe that I'm good at, um, no, he's really good at focusing in on one thing in a tunnel vision way and getting it done and executed and then going to something else. And having no, um, distraction. I'm good at, yeah, if I, I can have a lot of different projects and stuff on my plate and can get it done, but I'm not good at multitasking. Like, whenever I lock in on something, I'm like, okay, this is the one thing I'm doing right now. I do it to completion and then I move on to the next thing. Yes, okay. But I do those quick. Yes. So going back to, you know, how do you sort of tone it down if it's sort of seven or eight o'clock at night, that would be some physical movement, right? Pretty intense physical movement. Or you could do the breath, which that's very easy to do. I want to try the breath stuff because I haven't done that. Three minutes. And a lot of times. And a lot of times, I'll work out in the morning too because I just feel like I've worked out better in the morning. I get, you know, at night I'm like, okay, I got to wind down. I'm tired. So maybe I got to flip it and switch it around.

So when women are coming into your practice in New York, I would assume that they're coming in and asking, how do I lose weight or I want to lose weight. And it sounds like how you start and you can explain exactly what you do is you work on things they're not thinking of, like cortisol and breath. Is that right? Yes. So, yes, 95% of my practice is woman coming in because they do want to lose weight, but it's complicated. So they're coming in because there's adrenal fatigue or thyroid issues or digestive issues, mood issues.

It's not just a simple process of a need to lose some weight. My clients are really educated. They know a lot about what it is that they need to do, but they're not seeing those results. And so my background is in functional medicine and in cognitive behavioral therapy. So that's all about getting to the root of where the issue is, whether it's on a physical level with the body, like cortisol, like insulin, like estrogen, like other hormones that may be playing, making it more challenging for them to actually lose the weight. Or say, low cortisol levels. Low cortisol levels make it much harder for you to lose weight because cortisol is actually a fat burner. Adrenaline and your adrenaline is a fat burner.

We don't want that to be too low because otherwise there's stagnation in the body and you actually, that tells the body to go in. and pull out fat from the fat cells and use it as a fuel source. Why is it so hard to lose weight? Because I think out of everything I've ever done, it's probably the top three hardest things. Because there are so many pieces that go into it. So the weight loss equation has changed. And this is where it is today. So it is food plus exercise.

We know that. It's sleep. It's anything that triggers inflammation will inhibit that process. So lack of sleep will cause that. So if you have parasites or bad bacteria or an overgrowth of yeast, it's also going to do that. So it's looking at the gut microbiome. So that's really what I was talking about there. We know that that slows the weight loss.

It's hormones. Hormones have an influence. So if your insulin levels are elevated, then that puts a block on fat burning. If your estrogen levels are too elevated, then that also makes it harder for you to lose weight. And then the final piece is really emotions. So if you have unexpressed emotions and feelings, then that can be a trap to keeping body fat on you. And so, you know, I just realize that the reason why it's all layered like this is because it comes in terms of timing. So if we look at the 1980s and what the philosophy was there, it was all about calorie counting, well, that's still valid.

It's not the only way to lose weight. We can't toss it out the window because I work with women who are my size. I'm 5'4, my basal metabolic rate, which means the amount of calories that I have. I can consume just stay where I am. It's 1,200. It's not 2,000. And people just sometimes think that if they just eat healthy, then they can lose the weight. And that's not true, because I can get somebody to gain weight by eating healthy quite easily.

And if you've got to pay some metabolic rate like mine, then you have to really think about what you're actually eating from a portion perspective. And you have to add the exercise in. So it's not just eat healthy and you'll lose the weight. And we've become so politically focused on let's not talk about weight loss and let's not talk about body image. And it's like, why? why not like like if women truly do not feel comfortable in their body then we need to give them the tools to be able to do that I just think it's so individual to each person I think of saying like let's not talk about weight loss or body I think everyone can can sort of do them in the situation if they want to talk about it and they want to address it they should address it and if they don't good for them and more power to them yeah it's it's but why is that the case so it's like if 95% of women are coming to me because of weight loss then when we say that women should just accept their bodies for the way that they are, you're shaming a woman

for wanting to actually lose weight. Because often when people come, women come in, it is that there's other things going on, but it can be also difficult for them to say, well, I want to be at this weight. Because if they feel guilty for not accepting where their body is today. And that's just another layer of shame that goes into the piece of why am I not losing weight. So anytime we have shame or guilt, you may as well just put that into the fat cells. So part of my work is also going back and looking at, well, where are their experiences where there's shame and guilt attached to that? So when I did my master's in Nutrition at Columbia University,

and part of my dissertation was on shame and fat loss. And my proposal was that you actually look at men and women going into bariatric surgery and you have a look at their childhood experiences. and there's a questionnaire called the ACE questionnaire adverse childhood experiences, and it talks about emotional neglect and physical abuse and other things. And the research showing, it was like two studies on that, was that 76% of the people that were morbidly obese and going of the bariatric surgery had at least one adverse childhood experience,

had at least one upsetting, had at least one experience from childhood that was upsetting. And I see it in my practice that, that, you know, your experiences from childhood actually create your sense of self-worth. Your sense of self-worth then dictate your behaviors, including your food behaviors, those food behaviors then have a flow-on effect to the hormones in your body, that then shapes your body. And so if you want to actually lose a weight and change the shape of your body, because it's not just losing the weight, it's where do you want to lose the weight from?

Then you need to eat in a way that supports those hormones, and you need to look at the childhood aspect of that. That's why it's so complicated because it's so late. But there's a solution. I've been in practice for 12 years and this is what I do. I've only had one client who I haven't been able to get her to lose the weight. And that was because she was on a 500 calorie diet for three years, for three years. And actually I did.

I had a move from 190 to 172 and then she got stuck. And then she got stuck and frustrated. And I was like, I'm sort of, I don't know what more to do here besides getting you to eat at a higher caloric level, which was much more than 500. but going beyond that to try and reestablish her metabolism. I mean, she was really uncomfortable doing that. We're getting to a very dangerous point, I think, in society where, listen, it's not about body image or body shaming or how someone looks, but it's like we're getting to a place in society where people are using excuses to stop striving to be better. Like, I don't see why people would not want to be healthier and push themselves to be healthier.

It has nothing to do with the way you look. It's like, it's a health thing, right? Like, you want to be a healthy person. And for me, like, image aside, I want to strive to be as healthy as I possibly can, right? Like, it's not, it's not about the way I look. It's like, I only have this one body. Why not push myself to be the best version of myself that I can be? And I think these conversations are like, oh, we shouldn't talk about this.

We shouldn't talk about this. It's just another excuse, another reason not to address a hard issue. We're getting into a dangerous spot where people are just not facing hard questions and hard conversations and living up to, like, challenges. You're absolutely right, because some of those questions are really difficult to answer. And so we step back and take it from something really simple, just about changing your food. So when I work with men, men for the most part are really good at following a plan. And if they decide that they're going to go on the whole 30 or do something like that, they will follow it through.

And a woman can do that in January. I actually can stick to it because she's with a group of friends. But give her a plan outside of that community space and support, and the emotions are always going to come in. And so it'll be, I've had a shitty day. and so therefore I'm going to go and I deserve to have my glass of wine tonight and I deserve to have my half a bar of chocolate. Are you in my head? Then I know your archetype. Really?

Yeah. And so it was funny because it comes on to discipline though, right? Like, of course, like there's a lot of things I think I deserve that. But I just know. Wait, hold on, hold on. What did you have for breakfast this morning? And let's be honest. I had a breakfast burrito.

And? I had a couple donuts. But listen, I'm not, I, but you know what? But you know what? Then I go and work my ass off. I work it off. I got to do what I got to do. Lauren says all the time. Like she balances her dialects like she like her balances her checkbook, right?

Like I know if I do something like that and I got to go bust my ass later. It's not just like this gluttonous, hey, I'm going to eat like that. No, Michael's actually really good at it. Yes. But men tend to be good at balancing like that. There's a little bit more of this sort of black and white logical thinking. And we as women are more influenced by our emotions. That isn't to say that men aren't because they certainly are.

Or another one would be my nurture archetypes. So you fall into my Wonder Woman archetype because it's a reward eating. It's like, it's like, I deserve to have this, right? I had that stress for a day. I feel like you need to explain the archetypes in depth before you go into this. Like, can you give us all four of them so we all can check which one we are? So we'll start with the Wonder Woman. So the Wonder Woman sources herself worth from success and achievement.

That's the basis of that. That's you. That's what Lauren is saying. And she is pretty cordial dominant. So if she's going to store body fat somewhere, it's going to be. first and foremost around the abdominal area. And she will be the reward eater. So the glass of wine, the dark chocolate.

She's very good at justifying things. I have my banana rolls, though. What about those? That might just be something that you really enjoy. No, no, I have banana rolls under my butt. No, no, under my butt. Me too. I'm a wonder woman.

You're a wonder woman. I'm not sure what that is. I feel like I've had a banana roll under my butt since I was like six. It's almost like a banana shape of fat right under your ass. That's like holding your ass up. Just on one side, people don't know what that is. And then there's the nurture archetype. So she sources her sense of self-worth from giving to others and always being there.

She's very kind and compassionate. She can fall into the trap of people pleasing and sort of codependency. And so for her, her dominant hormone is insulin and estrogen. And that often happens because she becomes a comforater because there's nobody comforting her. So she's always giving and giving. to others and she will be the convenience eater so she's the one that will grab the muffin or the gluten-free muffin on the way to work because she didn't have time to make the smoothie in the morning or you know because the blender is upsetting her two-year-old child sounds like a mom a mom yeah not

always but but it can be so it's that that type of giving giving archetype there and she'll store body fat typically everywhere and then over time if she doesn't watch that then on the upper thighs and she has thyroid and adrenal issues that her main concerns um the wonder woman her main concern is is, you know, the excess adrenaline and neurodrenaline or cortisol, because she's sort of quite, quite hyper. Then, for the third one is the femphital. And so the femphital sources her self-worth from looks and her physical appearance. And the femme fatale, when she's balanced, when she's really sort of sparkly and attractive

and fun and playful, when she's out of balance, it's the complete opposite because there's a fixation on the body. And any time the body doesn't look perfect, it can be very, very. upsetting for her. So she's constantly often on a diet often tends to be more of a restrictive eater than an over-eater. And the goal for her is to really start to create peace with food and

to go back into childhood and unravel why she felt like she wasn't the attractive kid because that's very rarely does it come from a place of the child that got all the accolades. It's normally from a little bit of a wound there. And so the body type there very much depends on how she's actually eating

so she could actually look like any of the other archetypes. And you're not a fan fatale because you are interested in your physical body. You really have to source yourself worth from that. So like you're very pretty and on Instagram I assumed you're a femme fatale. And then as soon as I I was like, no, you're not. You're a wonder woman. And then when you and I were actually, when we just spoke before, I was like, oh yeah, yeah, you're the wonder woman. Since this episode's been a lot about health, let's talk about healthy wine, clean wine to get specific. Okay. If Thrive Market wasn't the best already. Now they have a whole section

dedicated to sustainably sourced wine. Okay? If you know me, you love it. We love Thrive Market so much. Outside of the wine, I love their beef jerky. I know that's kind of a weird segue, but I've been obsessed with it lately. They have cleaning supplies. They have beauty supplies.

They have food supplies. All of it's broken down by diet. You can go vegan. You paleo, whatever you want. And now they have the wine so I can get all of my stuff in one place. I don't know if wine and jerky sounds so good together, but to me it does. and it's all clean and organic and it doesn't leave you hungover. But who cares about anything when, again, let's talk about the wine.

If you're going to go wine shopping on Thrive Market, which everyone should do, I would definitely go to the Italian section. So I went to the Italian section and I got the Sandrio Vese half case. Is that the one you opened the other night? It's so good, you guys. And I had two glasses and I was not hung over at all because it's organic wine, which we love. It's organically farmed and hand harvest from low yielding vines. So it's an excellent choice for late summer or fall, and we opened it up with a lot of pasta and some pizza, and it was really good.

With the holidays coming up, it also makes a great gift. You can never go wrong gifting good wine ever. It's my go-to dinner parties, gifts, birthday parties, wine, alcohol. It's perfect. So like I said, definitely get the Sandriovese, you guys. You'll love it. It's a full case. They also have a half case. You can't go wrong with it. I would recommend it to every single TSC reader who likes a dry Italian red. If you're more of a white wine person, we got you covered too. I would also go to the Italian section, if I'm being honest, and I would check out their white wines.

You cannot go wrong in the Italian section. And like Michael said, it's an amazing gift. So if you want to get yourself some wine, get your love one, some wine for the holidays, go to thrivemarket.com slash skinny wine and take 25% off your first order with a max of $20. That again, that's thrivemarket.com slash skinny wine. Cheers. And what's the main difference between those two? It's like, how do you just know that by talking to someone?

There's an energy that people give off. So that's how I could read Michael's energy. Okay, so. And then we're better go the fourth one. Yeah, what's the first one? We don't, we can't forget the fourth one. So the fourth one is the ethereal. And the ethereal is very light and whimsical and airy.

And you can really feel her airiness. And she's. typically quite petite but not always. She's hypersensitive, hypersensitive to the world. And so she will tend to be quite lean and will only gain weight if she's been like numbing herself with food. And not the same whether a nurturer does. Like this is just because she's picking up on everybody else's energy and isn't sure what's hers and what's somebody else. Now a nurture can do that too, but the nurture normally takes responsibility for somebody else's energy.

So they can often mis-get get their archetypes wrong, but they're at the opposite end of the spectrum from each other. So the ethereal feels very light, and the nurture tends to feel quite heavy. How did you create the system of these four things? I've worked with now 3,000-5,000 women, and really it was over time. It came in through women's behaviors. and when I was looking, well, why can't these smart women, like, change their behaviors? And as I looked deeper into it, I was like, oh, my God, this is because it's where we source our self worth from.

And that's our sense of self. It's our identity. And so we don't want to change that because we get rewarded for our identity. So, like, the Wonder Woman, if she is having the glass of wine each night, she doesn't want to give that up because it may be the only pleasure. that she's actually getting from working so hard during the day. And for her, it means shifting something with those behaviors. And that can be what I don't want to not do my emails at 10 p.m. at night

because I don't want somebody to be thinking that I'm not performing. Because if I'm not performing, then maybe somebody's going to think I'm irrelevant. And for a Wonder Woman being irrelevant, that's one of the most painful things to feel, that you don't have that influence. And if you're hearing this, and this is sending shivers down your body, you know you're a Wonder Woman. Right?

And like for a nurturer, it's like if you don't feel wanted, like your greatest fear is that you are not going to be needed. That you would say, and somewhere along the way someone will abandon you. That's not typically the case of the Wonder Woman because Wonder Woman are so self-sufficient. So, you know, the architectures,

they truly just came about from listening to women and really listening to women's stories and seeing all these patents. So when women come into your office and you know immediately what they are by meeting them, is there a certain strategy for each archetype? Or is it all the same strategy? Different strategies. So sometimes I won't. Sometimes it will take me an hour to figure it out, particularly if they're in ethereal. So like strategies, though, speaking to strategy. So an individual comes to you. Yes. Because I want to, for laymen, for people like me, a lot of this stuff becomes very overwhelming, right? because you mentioned so many things that factor into weight loss. Say an individual comes to you,

what are the first practical steps that they can take to start their weight loss journey? Like, what does that look like? Food. Definitely food. Like, foods at the basis of it, nothing or anything but food. And so for the first three archetypes,

the exception of the ethereal, that at least half of their plate at lunch and dinner should be vegetables. That should be a non-negotiable there. And then the remainder of it is split between, some type of protein, a little bit of fat, and a little bit of carbohydrates. And the biggest difference between those different archetypes is a carbohydrate content. So for a nurturer, you pull out those carbohydrates, so the starchic carburet so that you're

following much more of a paleo type of diet, but not so much heavy on the red meat. So you don't want to get caught with that. It's a lot of vegetables, half a plate of vegetables, with about five ounces of protein or so, if it's a woman, and sort of two fats and no carbs. Now for the Wonder Woman and the Femphitel, their bodies are not so sensitive to the carbohydrate. So they should actually be having a little bit of carbohydrates. And if it's fat loss, then about a quarter of a cup and no greater than that. So you're looking at sweet potato, potatoes, chickpeas, lentils, black beans, brown rice, chemo, all of those things.

It's really quite grounding for them. The other archetype, she actually needs more carbohydrates than any of the other archetypes. So she should be following a little bit more of a vegetarian, vegan type of diet because it's just better suited for her body. And what results are you looking for? Like, what is a pathway to success look like to you? Outside of just the general weight loss, you know? Yeah, changing the shape of the body to become more aligned with what they're looking for as well as a change in the mindset. So just really start to create peace with food, but also a greater understanding of themselves and their behaviors.

So going back to practical tips, because the food would be the first piece, the second piece would be understanding of food behaviors. So rather than getting upset with yourself because you are going and, you knew you've eaten two extra pieces of pizza or something like that, it's to go into the why. It's not just that food tastes good. There's an emotional reason behind it. What you've connected with you two go out together was it because, like say,

Lauren decided to have the pizza and she wasn't really planning to have the pizza. It's like, oh, well, I actually wanted to connect with Michael. That was part of it. And I felt like I just, that was a facilitator for it. And so looking at the reason behind that. Or was it that you were pissed up and angry with somebody? Like, what was that? And once you start to understand the food behaviors and the emotions behind them,

it lights up a whole other world as to why you do what you do. It's really powerful. So you look into, like if someone wants to go have a glass of wine on a Friday night, you look into why they want the glass of wine. Well, the Friday night would be, that would be fine. It's just more if somebody wants it on a consistent basis, and they're reluctant to giving it up. So that is somebody using food as a stress-reducing technique as opposed to other alternatives. Which could other alternatives from a stress-reducing technique could be things that we already know.

It's meditation, it's breath, it's yoga, calling a friend, taking a bath, like journaling, even getting onto Instagram, reading a magazine. in listening to podcasts. Like there's so many other things that you can be doing from a stress reduction technique. Is it anything that's like, I don't want to say you can't walk away. That factors in addiction. But is anything that each and I was like, I need my glass of wine because I did this this day. So like it's a non-negotiary. I need my, like, you know, hear a lot of women and men say like, I need my drink at this time. Is that, that's when there's a lot. I always feel like you should just not need anything. And if you want it, you could say like, I'll have it today. But it's not a necessary thing. Completely. And it's the same with dark chocolate. And I use that one.

because so many people in my field are like, yeah, you can have dark chocolate every day. And it's like, whoa, whoa, wait. Anytime you need something when it's food related, which is very neutral, then you've got to question that, why would that be the case? You're using it for something other than what is designed for.

I think it comes to people, too. Yes, yes. You know, like if you make, I need that person. I mean, I need a lot of people that I work with. You don't need me? When people get in relationships, like, I need that. Like, that's not healthy.

either, right? Like, you want to be around somebody and spend your time, but I think, and it crosses over, like, you need it, that becomes dangerous. Yeah, yes, that gets into a whole other theory of attachment. But it's the same type of attachment with food and wine and everything, right? Or no? In a really beautiful relationship, there can be this really supportive bond where you can feel like you need that person. Like, that person's presence is, lifting and even physically lifting, but done in a healthy way. I'm playing devil's advocate because I need Lauren. Yes, well, that's okay.

And really what I'm saying is that's not negative. Because here we get into the politics, too, of things of like, have you codependent? It's really bad, right? And it's like, well, there's a difference between being codependent and a mesh in a relationship and then being in a healthy relationship where you really want to be around that person and there's, and there's a need for that person. So my partner and I have a very healthy, secure relationship. And we're away from each other for 10 days.

And my entire body was aching and no massage would take away the pain. He came back. Within two minutes, all those aches and pains went away. I had such a similar experience the other day when I didn't see you all week. And I just like, I couldn't get to see him fast enough. I was like, get me like. And the second I saw him, I was fine. Yes.

Sometimes that's just beautiful love. Well, some people call it codependent to us. Yeah, and that's what I'm saying is a distinction between it. I actually have a question that's a personal question. I've been experimenting with intermittent fasting for the last four months, and I really like it. What is your opinion on intermittent fasting? Tell me where you like it. Honestly, I like it because I feel like I have to make decisions all day long from the second I wake up to the second I go to bed,

that it takes a lot of the thought process out in the morning. I like it because I sort of have a routine and I like coffee with my fiber powder in it. I have like a whole routine with it that I like. And I also like the fact that I'm giving my digestive system a break. There's something that makes my stomach feel a lot less bloated and heavy when I do intermittent fasting. And I'm never to a point where I'm like starving myself. I just like to eat at around noon. It feels. good to me. It depends on the person. That's where I asked how you felt without. So if there's any type of adrenal fatigue and how would you know if you're adrenaline fatigue, you'd just be really quite tired. If there's, and like you'd wake up and you're like, yeah, so that's why it may

work for you. You're like, I just don't want to get out of bed. Or you're prone to anxiety. I am prone to anxiety. In those cases, I don't like the long-term use of intermittent fasting because when you get to a 16-hour fast, which is probably where you're getting to, the body will call on your adrenals to release the adrenaline and no-adrenaline to put sugar into the blood so that it can try and stabilize you. If you've got a 12-hour fast, it's not going to do that. 14-hour fast isn't really likely to do that, but the 16-hour mark is about where the cut-off is. And so over time, that's not really what you want, just this excess stressor on the body because you're not eating. So what you said was part of the reason that you like it is as a routine

and you have to think about it. So there are probably some really easy things that you could do instead. I'm immediately thinking that a good green vegetable juice for you would be great or a celery juice. So that way you're putting some nutrients in instead. And it's also easy on the digestion. So that's my preference, particularly for women, because we have a sort of a more elevated demand for phytonutrients compared to men. It's just the way our little bit of our genetics are. So I really encourage women to really think about getting in those, those antioxidants and phytonutrients. So something simple. And all of the research on intermittent fasting, I've just got a question over what's the comparison. So when people say, well, intermittent fasting will

stabilize your blood sugar levels. And it's like, well, what did you compare it to? What was the control group? So intermittent fasting, that group there, was that because you're comparing it to a group of people who normally eat bagels for breakfast. So you have to think about who are the people that come in to do the studies. What's the general demographic there? So there's not always a clear comparison there. And I did intermittent fasting for six months, six or seven years ago when it was sort of the thing to do. And I liked it in the sense that I didn't have to think about it either. And I normally ate, probably one o'clock instead. But by the time that six months rolled around, Like I could really feel the non-groundedness within myself coming in and much more of that anxiety.

I did not lose any more weight at all. And I think that's one of the reason that a lot of people do the intermittent fasting. Now, for men, I see it working really well. Yeah, personally. Yeah. Personally, I do 14 hours. I always tell Lauren, I think 16's too much. I think 16 you've started to get...

Wait, but you didn't know you were doing it. I didn't know. But here's my other point of that. that I believe that putting the body into routine is not good. I believe like with workouts, right? You don't want to get a routine. You plateau. With diet, you get a routine, you plateau.

Yes. So for me, not intentionally, I was intermittent fasting. Like it's like maybe have dinner at 8 o'clock and then I wouldn't eat again until 10 a.m. Right? That's 14 hours is good. But then the flip side of that is maybe one morning I woke up and it was like 7, 8 and I'm hungry. I'll eat.

It's not like, oh, I have to stick to this routine. I do what, I kind of listen to my body in that regard. It's worked for me. I don't know how it works for women. But I think. what I see dangerous, and I'll just use Lauren as an example because that's the safest thing to do. I think doing it just to do it for 16 hours is not the best way to intermittent fast if you were going to take that strategy. Michael's really smart.

Sorry. But yeah, he's asking you to trust your body. And that's my preference. I do give a guideline of fast to 12 hours because that should be about right. You're starving, right? You're starving. You got to eat. And sometimes you will.

Like, sometimes I wake up in the morning. I'm like, oh, I'm really hungry. And so I'm going to eat. And then I'll look back and I was like, oh, that's just because you have vegetables for dinner. You don't have any protein. And protein satiates you. It's got a really long satiation period. So for me, I'm like, oh, that's what's going on.

What are some healthy additions that people can add to their diet instead of take out of their diet? So what are things that you recommend? Like, is there certain vegetables, proteins, even fibers? Yeah, great question. Yeah, what are things we can add instead of take away? So getting into vegetables, so the cruciferous vegetables, so you're looking at Brussels sprouts, cabbage, cauliflower, kale, broccoli, like all of those contain the phytonutrients that help to detoxify excess estrogen and insulin.

So I encourage women to really look at getting those in at least once a day. and you can make something really easy by putting some frozen cauliflower into a smoothie. So you're going to use half a cup of frozen fruit and then half a cup of frozen cauliflower. It's just an easy way to check it off that you've done it. When you're looking at, you can use the color spectrum. So if you're thinking, if you want beautiful skin, you want your skin to be really radiant, then oranges are perfect for that. I mean, orange, the orange color spectrum.

So papaya, oranges, peaches, apricots, carrots. Those are really wonderful because they've got what's called. called pro-vitamin A nutrients, which help with the external exfoliation. Sorry, internal exfoliation. So it's like using a topical exfoliation, but you're just doing it internally. So, and if you're looking at red, so tomatoes, which I love. Tomatoes are actually really wonderful. Don't worry about the nightshades.

It's very, very rare for people to experience any inflammatory reaction from that. Tomatoes in particular are very helpful for bone structure containing the lecopene. We also know that they're wonderful as a natural SPF. So they'll give you about a four on that there. And once I was caught in Tulum without any sunscreen, and then thinking that I put it on my face and had spent all day in the sun, and then I was a beetroot before I went to bed, and then the next day it was perfectly fine.

And that's because I do eat a lot of red foods. So we shouldn't just get caught up on the green there at all. And then proteins. So proteins, no one really talks about this. And it's something that I want to bring more to the surface of the different types of proteins. So fish is really wonderful for women, particularly when they want to feel a little lighter. So you think of the energetics of it, like fish floats. So if you want to feel more sort of feminine and fluid and like that way, then you'd skew the protein more towards that.

If you feel like you need to be a little bit more grounded, then you'd go more towards red meat. I look at chicken and poultry as sort of just a filler in a way. Like they're fine protein, but the nutrient density is less than what you're. you're going to be getting in either the grass-fed red meat or in terms of fish. And so explain the energetics because of the protein because it's just how we as women tend to remember it. But if we get into the sort of biochemical side of things, like fish has, it has a different composition of the amino acids, but it also contains selenium and iodine. And so both of those are nutrients, which are essential for the thyroid function. So that's why it's excellent for women to be

eating more fish. Obviously, keeping it on the side of the low, mercury fish. And so those are things like wild salmon, sardines, halibate, lemon sole, grisole, doversol, snapper, those things like that. And you're avoiding tuna and swordfish and orange ruffy atoll fish. They're the main ones that you're actually avoiding. Doversoil is so good.

Now I want Stover's soul. Oh my God, it's from Wakanda. Now I'm hungry. Okay, so say there's someone that comes to you and they're 20 pounds overweight. Do you give them a prescription that you give the same person that walks in that's five pounds overweight or is it all different according to each of the diets?

Really good question. So wanting to lose five pounds is different than wanting to lose anything else, whether it's 10 pounds, 20 pounds, 50 pounds, or 200 pounds. So for anything other than the five pound weight loss, it's much more of a lifestyle diet. So this is how I want you to be thinking about food and creating the plate this way. once you get to the last five pounds it is always more challenging and we know that because the body's pretty happy with the amount of body fat that you have on you at the last five pounds so you need to trick it and most of us do the same eat the same thing over and over again

we eat 12 different foods a day really and we just repeat repeat repeat repeat you get pretty comfortable the same 12 things like every day and if you want to lose a weight that's not the most effective way to do it just as michael was talking about like with the exercise is not something that you the food works the same way the like the body's really smart you do have to shock yourself the body wants a whole ton of nutrients and the way to do that is is to have you stagnate so you change it so when you get into the last five amount it really gets into more dieting and there's there's there's there's tricks for that which i which really only be done under the practitioner supervision because they can just get taken out of out of context because it's just not

lifestyle and this is where we get disordered eating but there might be something where I'm using higher protein content with somebody much higher for about five days and sometimes when I'm using that I'm expecting the five pounds to come off pretty quickly like you can imagine you're you're somebody needs to slim down for something for a TV show or or movie or something and they need to do it fast so you've got these little little tricks but they're to be used for very short periods of time like five days and then you break and you go back to your normal way of eating like the lifestyle eating and then you might do it again depending on what else needs to be done but you know five pounds sometimes a five pounds can take you know can take two months um if you're not doing it in a

restrictive way yeah but for that person it can make a difference i work with a number of well-known models and and so for them it's going to make a difference i shocked my body this morning with those donuts. Well, that's right. That's why I also encourage the off-plan meal. Yeah, yeah. I was like, I got to give the old system a shock with these bignettes. You had a big bite of that bignette and all this cream came out.

It was the whole thing. So I actually have a question about amphetamines. I feel like a lot of girls that I talk to will tell me that they're on Adderall or they're on some kind of anphanemine. Like someone told me that they're on fen-fen. I think that these things are going to add. weight in the end. Is that right?

I mean, I don't know enough about it, but from what I've read, it seems like it just prolongs the weight gain. So it's like you're like, you have a piece of paper and you're just stacking stuff on top and stacking stuff on top and then it's just going to get bashed over. Yes, you're absolutely right. So they will see an initial weight loss drop because the adrenaline and neuroadrenaline, which are fat burners, will enable them to burn more body fat, adrenaline and neurodrenaline, are also appetite suppressants.

So they're going to see that initial drop. But over time, those adrenals get stressed. Right? So every time you take that adderol, like it's forcing adrenaline into your body. It's like stressing the adrenals. So I see seven years of somebody on adoral and then boom, the weights up by 10 pounds. And then what happens is that you need to restore the adrenals. You've got a six-month to a two-year process of actually really stepping back

and putting nutrients in like the Aschragana, rodeoilar, and cortisps that we were talking about earlier, and really looking at your life as to what you can actually do to change that. So there's not so many emotional stresses because you physically stress the body out by taking the aneurle. So it's a short-term strategy. It's a very short-term strategy. With long-term repercussions.

Yes, yes. The hard part is that seven years down the track, you're not thinking about that when you're taking it. You're like, oh, yeah, I'll be fine. I'll be off it by then. Okay. And then you also have seven years of a... Yeah, substance abuse.

Yes. What does your morning routine look like? I've got two because I split my time between L.A. and New York. So when I'm in New York, I'm up and I'm out the door. I have very little time to get much else done. But I wake up, I take a tincture of some sort with probiotics. A what? A tincture of some sort.

So it might be like an elixir. It's like an elixir. So it might be rose water or might even just be some magnesium. So I'm making that and having my probiotics. And then I will do anywhere from three minutes to nine minutes of Kundalini of Breathwork that we were talking about earlier. Just really quick, what probiotics are you taking and what's the brand of the magnesium? Because we like to get specific. So I like Claire Labs, theobiotic, which is a 12-strain probiotic.

It's one that we as functional medicine practitioners use widely because it's very good. And you want the probiotics to stick. And so they tend to stick. And then the magnesium, I love natural. factors, magnesium. It's in a powder form and it's really well absorbed into the body and great if anybody has any bowel movement issues. Calm. Is it called calm? No, it's not called calm. It's just natural factors in magnesium. Calm is fine. Calm contains magnesium oxide, which is a little abrasive on their digestive tract. So some people, including myself, have, when I take it,

I get stomach cramps. So, but for other people, it's perfectly fine. Let me ask you this. How do you feel about stimulants? Actually, it's something I want to talk to Lauren about. I I'd just do it now on the air. So, coffees, teas, Lauren's doing this new thing. She's, because I'm learning because I have to put the orders in the hotels and stuff. She wants to do this almond milk, cappuccinos.

How do you feel about those almond milk? I'm not sure I feel so good about it. So going back to how do I feel about stimulants like coffee. So I like coffee, but it's dependent on the person. So I metabolize caffeine really well. That's just in my genes. And so I can drink two cups of coffee. And it's a non-issue for other people.

They don't metabolize it well, but they're not drinking it because they don't feel good. What type of coffee? Is it black coffee? Is it cappuccino? I have a macchiato. Okay. So the macchiato, which is the, for those it's an espresso with, well, it's marked by milk.

So it's just a little bit of milk there. So you're getting into the almond milk dairy debate. We have unsweetened almond milk, right? Yes. I like almond milk. I recommend it to a lot of people, but I don't want it to be the only a dairy substitute that people are drinking because I mean. seeing a lot of almond sensitivities. So people have gone gluten-free and dairy-free, and what are their

substitutes? It's, oh, I'm going to have my gluten-free bread, which is made with almonds, or I'm going to, and I'm going to have my almond milk. So over the last two weeks, I think the 10 food sensitivity test that I ran, everybody came up with almonds being a sensitivity. I'm not surprised. I actually wrote about this in 2012 when I said are almonds, the next gluten, because it's just the more frequently you eat something, the more likely that you are to develop a sensitivity to it. So I would encourage you to mix it up try ham milk oat milk um coconut milk so just something else there but but you know if all you're having is just like this inch of almond milk i don't want you to worry about it it's just if you start putting it into smoothies yeah michael leave my inch alone

going back to your morning routine you said you do your breath work and then and then i'm up and i'm at the door and i grab my marchiato okay and i grab my assistants i'm like hang on a minute my i'm getting my assistant's coffee and then i'm in at work. And then when I'm in LA, it's, I have more time. And so it's having, sort of doing a very similar, similar routine where I'm waking up and having my probiotics and my some other supplements. I'm taking in that very much depends on what I'm working on, whether it's maybe adrenals or some liver detoxification. Your supplement protocol should always be dynamic based on what your goals are. And then I'm making coffee. And then I'm with my boyfriend. And so we normally

chat for about half an hour, just about the day. And it's just a wonderful way to connect. I really encourage people to have that time with their partner. It's not just immediately up and out the door, like sets of assets of the day. We took a walk this morning. Yeah, that would be great. A walk is great. And then I'll do my kundalini sort of meditation practice, which might be anywhere from nine minutes, and sometimes it's up to an hour.

Do you do it with an app or do you just do it by yourself? No, I do it by myself, but there is a studio in Venice in L.A. called Rama and they have a site called Rama TV so you can follow along with that. It seems really esoteric because they all wear white and but that's about enhancing their aura. So if you're interested in Kundalini, I like find a class and see if you like it. I found it to be really powerful the first time I did Kundalini, which was an hour and a half class. I came out like I was high from my breath and I'm like, I am back the next day. Brano and lastly said that too. They said that about condolini. You feel like you're high because you're breathing so much. It's a wonderful

releasing chill. Oh. I feel like that right when I wake up. Oh, my God. I'm scared of him. So let's talk about your adrenal tonic that you're launching. Tell us about that. Well, I really created it for the Wonder Woman archetype and also the nurturer archetype.

And it contains in a powder form, aschaganda, rodeola, and cortisets and some Rishi, some cacao and coconut milk powder and some coconut sugar. And it's like you just mix it in a little bit of coconut. milk and or almond milk and you can have that as a either a morning little elixir that I was talking about before or an afternoon tincture. And what it does is it helps to rebalance those cortisol levels, whether it's low, low or high helps to reset that. So it's a, it's a nice, it's a nice way to break in the afternoon as well. Will you be trying that for your cortisol? Hook a brother. I'll be trying that. I need that, I feel like. It's really wonderful. I'll

send you some. Can you put it in your... And it tastes good. That's the best thing. It tastes really good because most of those powders just don't taste very good. And I was like, I want a one shot where I'm just mixing it in and it's like really good. You don't have to like chug it down. No, not at all. No, I'm all about the taste of things. Like things need to look good and they need to taste good. Can you put it in champagne?

No, you're just going to enjoy that champagne. If someone wants to have a cocktail tonight and they're listening because it is Friday night here, what should they order? What's your rack? Oh, I'm really boring. I say tequila on the rocks. Easy. Glass of lime.

Yeah. That's the best. That's the best. And you don't get hung over. No, you don't. And it kind of gives you little energy. Yes, it does. It's sort of one of the only op-as in terms of alcohol.

Where can everyone find your book? Pimp yourself out. Tell us where they can find you on Instagram. So Instagram is under my name, Dana James, D-A-James. And my book is called The Archetype Diet, and its best place to find it is on Amazon. And you guys, it's so cute. The cover everything, the Wonder Woman. Wait, can Michael be an archetype?

Or is it just, It's just designed for a woman, but you can use it for men. And Michael is definitely a Wonder Woman. I always knew it. Deep down, I always knew I was a Wonder Woman. Thank you so much for coming on. That was so informative. Thank you so much for having me on. It was great. Hey, guys, don't forget to check out the new podcast site over at TSCPodcast.com. All of the show notes from this episode and all of our others can be found there. It's a really awesome resource that highlights all of the great people we've talked to on this show, all the different books, resources, services, products that they've recommended, as well as the things that we have recommended. It also has a section for new listeners trying to get

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