The Bossticks - Dr. Mark Hyman - Anti-Inflammation Diets, Chronic Disease Protocols, Functional Medicine, & Healthy AM/PM Routines

Episode Date: April 15, 2024

687: Today, we're sitting down with Dr. Mark Hyman, Co-Founder and Chief Medical Officer of Function Health. Mark is an internationally recognized physician, leader, educator, speaker, podcast host, fifteen-time New York Times bestselling author, and the Head of Strategy & Innovation at Cleveland Clinic Center for Functional Medicine. He joins us for a discussion about chronic disease, how to heal through food, and the issues with traditional medicine. We also dive into the evolution of functional medicine, the problems with Ozempic, and the food industry in the USA. To connect with Dr. Mark Hyman click HERE   To connect with Function Health click HERE   & use code SKINNYCONFIDENTIAL at functionhealth.com to skip the waitlist To connect with Lauryn Evarts Bosstick click HERE To connect with Michael Bosstick click HERE Read More on The Skinny Confidential HERE To Watch the Show click HERE For Detailed Show Notes visit TSCPODCAST.COM To Call the Him & Her Hotline call: 1-833-SKINNYS (754-6697) This episode is brought to you by The Skinny Confidential This episode is brought to you by Toups & Co Visit www.toupsandco.com and use code SKINNY for 15% off your first order This episode is brought to you by The Farmer's Dog It's never been easier to invest in your dog's health with fresh food. Get 50% off your first box & free shipping by going to thefarmersdog.com/skinny This episode is brought to you by Just Thrive These days, stress seems to hit us from every possible angle in any environment at any time, day after day. Enter Just Calm - the breakthrough new stress and mood support formula from Just Thrive. Get 20% off a 90-day bottle of Just Thrive probiotic + Just Calm supplement at justthrivehealth.com with code SKINNY at checkout. This episode is brought to you by LMNT LMNT is a tasty electrolyte drink that has everything you need and nothing you don't. It contains a science-backed electrolyte ratio: 1000mg sodium, 200mg potassium, and 60mg magnesium. Get a free sample pack with any purchase at drinkLMNT.com/SKINNY This episode is brought to you by Caraway Ditch the chemicals with Caraway. Visit carawayhome.com/HIMANDHER to receive 10% off your next purchase. This episode is brought to you by Honeylove Treat yourself to the best bras and shapewear on the market + save 20% off your order at honeylove.com/skinny . Produced by Dear Media

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A lot, a lot of my patients are doctors. If you kind of just peel back the curtain and you have these honest conversations, in private, they're all going to go, yeah, I know, this whole system is rigged, doesn't make sense. You know, it's all funded by the farm ministry. For the chronic diseases, an internal medicine disease and all the subspecialties in internal medicine, it's really hard because they know they're just prescribing drugs isn't fixing the problem. They know they're just managing the disease. They become a little disgruntled, and a lot of doctors are burned out. A lot of doctors are getting out of medicine. And the beautiful thing about this work that I do is it's so inspiring.

It's so exciting. It's so invigorating because I actually get to say, you know, see real changes in people's help. Hello everybody. Welcome back to the Skinny Confidential Him and Her Show. Today we're sitting down with Dr. Mark Hyman. I am actually surprised it took us this long to get with the legend, Dr. Mark Hyman. We've been circling the same waters as podcasters for years now. And it's just taken us forever to get with him. All that being said, I am glad that it took us this time because there was all this pent up energy, all this pent up demand, all this pent up excitement to talk to Dr. Mark Hyman. And he, of course, did not fail to deliver.

episode covers so much ground, which I'll get into in a minute. For those of you that are not familiar with Dr. Mark Hyman, Dr. Mark is an internationally recognized physician, leader, educator, speaker, podcast host 15-time New York Times bestselling author and the head of strategy and innovation at Cleveland Clinic Center for Functional Medicine. He joins us for a discussion about chronic disease, how to heal through food, the issues with traditional medicine. We also dive into the evolution of functional medicine, the problems with Ozzympic and the food industry. We cover so many different topics, like I said in this episode. And it's really for anyone that is interested in health, wellness, how to live a better life. And Dr. Mark is one of the best to deliver that message.

With that, finally, Dr. Mark Hyman, welcome to the Skinny Confidential, him and her show. This is the Skinny Confidential, him and her. I have been wanting Dr. Mark on the podcast for so long. I think I DM'd you like three years ago. You have to check. I might check, yeah. Welcome to the show. You're one of those three million people who are DMing me. I just did not know who that was. How many DMs do you get a day of people asking for your medical opinion? Oh, my God. It's so hard.

I mean, literally everybody and their mother wants help because they're not getting help from the traditional health care system. And so it's really like a free-for-all. And my wife, she's having people come out of the woodwork that haven't talked to her in 20 years or now. Oh, now you're with Dr. Hyman. I want to know. And so it really reflects this overwhelming problem in our society of people suffering from

needless problems that they're not getting answers to, traditional medicine and healthcare. And now there's an opportunity for people to really understand what's going on underneath the hood to help access science and information and knowledge that they never had access to before and to transform their health in the ways I help patients on a daily basis, but do it through a platform that allows them to do this at scale. What's the common denominator that you're seeing with people when it comes to health? Like, are they complaining about headaches?

Are they complaining about cancers? Like, what are the things you see constantly over and over? Well, the biggest, the biggest Christ out there is a problem called FLC syndrome. What's that? That's when you feel like crap. It's brain fog. It's fatigue. It's muscle aches.

It's joint pains. It's digestive issues. It's sinus issues. It's headaches. It's sleep issues. It's depression. It's anxiety. I mean, the list goes on and on.

And people walk around suffering and they don't need to suffer because we now have the answers to understand how the body works, how it's a network and ecosystem. And traditional medicine is still back in the dark ages of siloed care with specialists for every different part of your body, nobody looks at the whole thing, and nobody understands how to create health. So what we do is really science of creating health. That's what I've been doing for 30 years, is understanding the root cause of disease, how does your body work, how to work with it rather than against it, how to remove the obstacles to health and add the things in that make you thrive. And it's really that simple. And so most people don't know what's going on under the hood. And that's really been

the bulk of my medical career has been peeling back the layers of what's going on with their biology through their medical history, through extensive lab testing, through looking at their microbiome, their hormones, their brain chemistry, their metabolism, nutritional status, their toxin levels. And I can see what's going on. And we can get a roadmap of where they're out of balance and how to get them back into the health they need.

There's a more serious version of that syndrome is called FLSS syndrome. But we won't go into that. FLS syndrome. What is that? That's more serious than FLC. It's feel like shit. Feel like shit. I want to go back with you a little bit because I feel

like your approach, now people are catching up with your approach, but it has been a very evolved approach for a long period of time. And I would dare say that at times maybe people thought you were on the fringe. Oh yeah, absolutely. I mean, my claim to fame is I was, got on quack watch back in 2003. So that was really my first real home run. I think people now are saying like, okay, these guys that were early adopters were really on to something yourself included. And, you know, how did you initially get turned on to all this? Because obviously you have a medical degree and you, But you started thinking about things in a way that I think is different than most medical practitioners, at least at the time. 100%. I mean, I was a weirdo from the beginning. I studied nutrition in college. I lived with a guy in college. It was a PhD student at Cornell. And he gave me books to read, like, nutrition against disease by Roger Williams and understanding the root causes of how we can uplevel our health and treat chronic disease using food as medicine. So I was into that 45 years ago. And I studied nutrition at Cornell. As part of my curriculum, I studied,

systems thinking, how the body works as a network, ancient systems of healing. I studied yoga before I was actually a doctor, so I was already sort of into it. Then of course I got brainwashed and got into the cult and I had to get deprogrammed. And what really led to that deprogramming was me getting very sick myself. And I ended up getting chronic fatigue syndrome and everything just collapsed. I went from running my bike 100 miles a day and not be able to walk up the stairs. I went from remembering 30 patients and be able to dictate their charts at the end of day without any notes to not remembering where I was at the end of a sentence from where I started. And that really led me in a journey of discovering what I missed in medical school and do a deep

dive into the understanding of the root cause of disease, that the body is a network. We call it the functional medicine. And it's really, the name is kind of irrelevant because it's really, we're all going. It's the entire system of medicine is shifting towards understanding the body as a system and a network and realizing that all the common things we suffer from have common. common roots. So heart disease, diabetes, cancer, dementia, autoimmune disease, they're not separate diseases. They're they have common underlying roots that have to do with inflammation and problems with microbiome and

or mitochondria and and these are things we can hormonal regulation. These are things we can actually treat and regulate through lifestyle and diet and various other factors that may be helpful like supplements, sometimes medication, but we now have a different roadmap for the landscape of disease. We never had it before. And it's it's kind of taken a while. I started the Center for Functional Medicine at Cleveland Clinic 10 years ago at the invitation of the CEO, Toby Cosgrove, to bring this approach to chronic disease. Because he knew what they were doing was, even though it was the best healthcare in the world, it wasn't good enough to deal with this epidemic of chronic disease.

It was a juggernaut. I mean, we basically have over 1.7 million Americans dying every year from chronic disease. Most of that is caused by what we're eating and our lifestyle and environmental toxins. We don't learn how to deal with any of that. So we're just piling on drugs and piling on medicines and we're going to this for doctors and we're not actually getting the answers to what's hurting us. And so this roadmap allows us to think differently. And it's so powerful. I've written, you know, 19 books and I've treated tens of thousands of patients. But at the end of the day, you know, I'm just one guy. I felt it was really important to create a model where people can access this kind of understanding and care that is going to accelerate the adoption of the new medicine.

Have you always been out of the box beat to the tune of your own drum thinker since you were a little Is this always how you've been? It's funny you said that, actually. One of the inspirations for my whole life was a book called Walden by Henry Thoreau. And in that book, he talks about how we should, I think it's dance to the beat of a different drummer, right? Or walk to the beat of a different drummer. And I think that's been the sort of mantra in my head. Don't accept the status quo, think differently, look at problems differently.

Albert sent Georgie, the discovery of vitamins, he said, discovery consists of seeing what everyone else has seen, but thinking what nobody else has thought. Yep. And so I'm seeing the same thing, the same disease is, but I'm thinking differently about them. And so medicine really has a thinking problem. So why we take, you know, 20 or 30 or 40 years to adopt scientific discoveries in the medical practice. I'm just trying to collapse that time. And for me, it's really all about suffering. People are walking around suffering. They don't need to be. And like you said, I get hit every day. I got hit from a guy whose daughters in medical school is a friend of mine. She's suffering terrible headaches and migraines and she's incapacitated. She got ring in the years. There's a young 20-year-old something. And she's struggling. And she's going to the best doctors of Cleveland and here and there and can't get help. And I'm like, okay, well, we can fix this. I know, I know the roadmap to get there. What's the roadmap for something like that? Well, it's a methodology of thinking about the body that has to do with understanding the body as a matrix as a, as a network. And there's basically seven core systems in the body that have to be functioning for you to be healthy. There's things that cause those systems to be out of balance, toxins, allergens, allergens, microbes, stress, poor diet. And there's things the body needs to optimize those

systems, the right food, nutrients, balance of hormones, light, air, water, sleep, movement, connection, community, meaning, love, purpose. These are all the ingredients for health. So my job as a doctor is to find out what's causing the imbalance in the system. Because the same imbalances can cause different diseases or symptoms for different people, depending on their genetics and predispositions. So my job is to sort of figure out at the root, what are the things that are bothering their system and get rid of them?

They have too much mercury. Do they have, like, food allergen? Are they sensitive to gluten? are they having too much stress? I mean, one patient of mine was 53 years old living with their mother, was yelling at all the time, making her crazy. I said, you need a mother'sctomy. You know, like, she didn't get rid of that.

It was an environmental thing. Yeah. And other people, you know, don't have enough vitamin D or not getting enough sleep or exercise or not eating whole foods or are having, you know, trouble with the air pollutions, making them sick. So what is it that you need to kind of get, right, to get healthy? And so that's really the roadmap. We call it functional medicine, but I think the term is going to fade away.

it's just going to be medicine. It sounds like all of these systems need to kind of work harmonically. Originally, when you first started talking, I was like, should I ask what the most important system is? But it sounds like you kind of need them all. But if you were going to be able, if you could wave your magic wand and say, hey, this specific kind of practice or lifestyle change could help eliminate a ton of these issues.

Is there any, is there like any place that people could start right now just like, hey. Oh, yeah. Well, you know, I've been treating people for so long and realize that most of the disease we have are related to inflammation. So we don't think of depression as inflammation. We don't think of anxiety as inflammation in the brain. We don't think of cancer as inflammation or obesity as inflammation, but they're all inflammatory diseases.

We know if you have like lupus or rheumatoid arthritis or whatever. It's inflammation, but most of us don't get it. So it's really understanding that a lot of that has to do with inflammation, which is caused by our ultra-processed nutrient-poor diet and damaged our gut microbiome. And so what I created in my practice years ago was a thing, therapeutic diet to reset people. It's like you want to push the button and get your body back to its original factory settings. How do you do that? Like if your computer's going and things aren't

working, what do you do? Well, you just turn off and you reboot it, right? And so the reboot is something I created called the 10-day detox diet. And the book is officially titled the blood sugar solution 10-day detox diet. So essentially 10 days where you take out all the bad stuff, and all the good stuff, and the body just goes, resets. Michael's going to do this. I can already see his wheel spinning. Go ahead. Tell us, get real specific about what you know. So what is that we take away all the potentially inflammatory foods. The things that you want to get rid of in the short run are dairy, because most of our modern dairy is very inflammatory.

The second is grains, because grains can also be inflammatory, particularly gluten, even for people who aren't celiac, it can be an issue. Beans are actually a good food, but a lot of people have trouble with them and they can create inflammation. Sugar, ultra-processed food, alcohol, and caffeine is plus minus because that is not necessarily bad for everybody. So that's what you get rid of.

What you add is high quality protein, lots of, lots of good fats, like olive oil, avocados, nuts and seeds. You add in lots of veggies. So unlimited, you can eat, it's not a calorie restricted diet. You can eat 100 pounds of veggies if you want, you know, unlimited. So you get unlimited and you get unlimited fat. You can pour the olive oil on your veggies at night. You have salads.

And then, you know, you're adding some fruit. But that's it. So, for example, an average day would be, I would do a whole. food shake, which I have a recipe for in the book. It's basically nuts and seeds and berries and it's really yummy and delicious. Then for lunch, I would have what we'll call a fat salad. So I had lots of, you know, fresh lettuce, tomatoes, cucumbers, avocados. I would put in nuts and seeds. So I toasted pumpkin seeds. Could you do like a protein, like a chicken or a salmon or anything like that? Yeah. So then I would, then I would usually, I'm lazy because I don't have

cooked, I have time to cook at lunch. I'll take a can of wild salmon or a few cans of sardines or mackerel and I'll so I have like fat from the omega three is olive oil fat nuts and seeds fat and it's delicious healthy salad with lots of veggies and dinner I'll have a piece of protein usually some are generally raised meat or fish pasturized chicken sweet potato lots of veggies I'll have three sides of veggies so I'll have like sort of maybe roasted mushrooms I'll have sauteed broccoli I'll have sweet potato I might have salad on the side so it's predominantly plant rich I call it not plant based but you still need adequate protein and lots of fiber which is on the veggies and that helps you go to the bathroom and do it.

But if you do that, your body literally loves it. And we've had a patient in clinic clinic. 10 days. 10 days. I had a patient in clinic clinic, she had type 2 diabetes. Now, no, no, we learned in medical school that diabetes once you have it. It's a one way street. Obviously type 2, not type 1.

That's something you get for life. And in my practice, I've seen over and over that you can reverse type 2 diabetes. And work of Sarah Hallberg and others who have used ketogenic diets that have published extensively on this actually reverse 60% of advanced type 2 diabetes. diabetes with a ketogenic diet. And in this particular patient, she was 66. She had heart failure. She had kidneys were starting to fail with fatty liver, high blood pressure, diabetes, blocks in her arteries. We put her on this same diet I'm talking about. In three days, she was off for insulin. In three months, she was off all her medications and had normal heart

function, no blood pressure issues, and no diabetes. Blood sugar went from like wildly out of control to normal. And in the year, she lost 116. pounds. And it was just using food as medicine. So, you know, we don't have a drug that can do that. Like, if there was a drug that could do that, I would prescribe it. Sure. I have a weird question. I love raw milk. Do you like that? Because you mentioned dairy, but you said it's processed. I would say yes, but it has to be from an A2 cow that's regenerally raised. Or from a goat or sheep. I'd like a goat in my house. For Christmas, I'd like, maybe get goats or chicken, whatever we need, It is from an A2 cow.

So it's, you approve of that. Don't ruin our milk source. If it's, if it's regenerally raised. Because you're going to have a two cow that's conventionally raised, like a Jersey or a Jersey cow that's raising a feed lot, that's fed corn, it's given antibiotics. It's milk while they're pregnant.

You know, you don't want that. Okay. Right. You want to make sure you know where your food is coming from. So I need to ask the farmer that I get my milk from if it's regeneratively raised. Yeah. Okay.

I have another question. At least grass finished. Okay. Well, not finished because they're still milking them. so they're not done. I have another question for you. And this is maybe a medical question. Doing what you do and in your practice, seeing these results and actually seeing things like

you mentioned people think type two diabetes is the one way of street, but you've actually seen and have patients that have reversed. Why is this not more widely adopted or looked at, especially of someone like yourself that has such a big and prominent platform? I mean, it's getting there. It's getting it. From where I was 30 years ago when I started to now, I mean, we're. What was the resistance in the beginning, though?

Like if you... Oh my God. I mean, doctors, nutrition is considered almost like a, I don't know, it's like, it's like hopscotch or, you know, pick up sticks. It's like not even a thing in medicine, right? It's so negatively viewed that if you've been talked about it, you were laughed at. It reminds you of like the archaeologist that like they think they found the oldest thing, but then someone finds the older thing and they don't, they're like, no, we have, you know what I mean?

Right, right, right. It's like that. You know, there's a book called The Structure of Scientific Revolutions, which is about how we get paradigm shifts happening, right? And it's where the book, where the term paradigm shift came from. And in this book, they talk about this idea of normal science and how hard is to get scientists to change the way they see things, that they're stuck.

Max Planck said this, he was a physicist. He said, you know, science doesn't evolve by convincing your opponents and helping them see the light, but because a new generation grows up that's familiar with it. In other words, one funeral at a time. Oh, great. So, so, but, but the real key point here is that, you know, we have an ability with technology, with the advanced science and medicine to leapfrog over and bypass the, the logjam that's

in our health care system and allow people access to their own data through the platform that we created called Function Health. And you go to FunctionHealth.com and learn more about it and you can get over 110 biomarker test done that give you a real deep insight into your biops. You get maybe 20 when you go to your regular doctor for your checkup. It's in a very affordable price, $499 for a year with twice a year testing. And it gives you actionable insights how to uplevel your health based on the findings, right? So obviously, we're seeing incredible results.

I mean, we're seeing, we've had over 3 million biomarkers, 30,000 people go through the program, 150,000 people on the wait list, although you can bypass the wait list with the code skinny confidential. So that's cool. I don't use my own code. You can that, you can be guilty of using our own code rather frequently. Damn, use it. It's okay. And so we're seeing this remarkable things that are kind of shocking to me as a doctor

that, you know, think about if you, I have a friend who's a researcher and it's like, we're doing a study of 2,000 people, 2,000 people. It's $25 million to do this study from the NIH. I'm like, wow, that's great. We have 30,000 people's data. This is priceless information. So we're seeing 89% have poor metabolic health. Now, what does that mean?

It means they're somewhere on the spectrum from pre-diabetes to, diabetes. And they're somewhere in the spectrum where they're getting high blood sugar, high cholesterol, high blood pressure, they've had heart attack or stroke or overweight. That's 93% of Americans. But in our population, they're a little more health forward. But it's 89%. We're seeing 46% with inflammation, which is the biggest driver of all these diseases that I'm talking about, why I mentioned the diet and how to clean that up. And I'll write about this also in my book Young Forever. And we're also seeing positive autoimmunity markers, which is shocking and 30% of the people. We're seeing 67% have nutritional deficiencies. Now get this, nutritional deficiencies at the level of the lab

reference range, which is very, very low. This is not like optimal levels. Like vitamin D, for example, I mean it should be 50 optimally. Well, the lab says if it's 30 or less, that's low. Sometimes even 20 or less. And so you're not really picking up everybody or your iron, you know, optimal iron ferreton, which is your iron store, it should be like 45, but the lab says anything under 16 is low. But at the level that the lab says is low, we're seeing 67%. It's probably going to be 90 plus of people that have some nutritional deficiency that they have that it's not being diagnosed by the regular. And the doctor's not how to test for it, don't look at it. And the truth is it's affecting their health. And what vitamins and minerals and nutrients do? They're the lubrication

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take control today with Just Thrive. Again, that is Justthrivehealth.com and use promo code skinny. Speaking of traditional medicine, you mentioned earlier that you were indoctrinated in the cult of medicine and that you were brainwashed. I was joking, but kind of, not really.

I mean, first of all, I could see how that could happen if you wanted to be a doctor. Can you talk to us a little bit more of that? Like, what is, do they like literally brainwashed you into thinking this one way? if you start to ask questions and you're a doctor, were people like really pushing back on you to begin with? I would love to know more about that time in your life.

Well, thank you for asking. You know, what I decided very on was like, I knew I was a weirdo. I have ODD, which is, I'm odd. I love ODD. ODD is my favorite on the podcast. And I knew that I had to just swallow it and suck it up and be the best at it. So I graduated in the top, you know,

10 of my medical school class. I was really good at it. And I swallowed it whole, but I had in my mind, I knew this is not the whole story, right? I knew better. But I think I kind of got a little pulled into it, like kind of the moonies, they'll suck you in, you know? No, and I think I kind of bought a lot of the belief

that everything that I learned in medical school was everything about medicine. And anything I didn't learn and wasn't taught, wasn't important, wasn't relevant, and didn't matter. I didn't learn about nutrition. I didn't learn about microbiome. I didn't learn about insulin resistance. I don't learn about environmental toxins.

So those things are not relevant. And yet those are the most important things in determining the bulk of the diseases we see today in America. You know, it's so funny when you say all that, whenever we have medical professionals like yourself on that have, that are saying something like this, a lot of people in the medical community that are maybe in doctors, they get really upset. Yeah. You know what I mean? Sure. I'm sure you've seen it. But even on the show, though, it's like you come and.

on and saying this, it is altering someone's reality and it is taking their experience and diminishing you're, when you're fearful of something, though, you get, you get angry. And I think there is a fear that someone has spent so much time in medical school and they've done the thing and they've got the degree and their doctors. There's a fear when you say things like this. It's questioning somebody's, also, I'll give you another counter situation where that happens. If I come on and question any, like, journalists or media practices these days, which by the way, we all should, I get a huge pushback at times from people that are maybe still in a lot of those traditional settings.

They get so upset. And I'm like, well, we can't just all think in this narrow myopic view. Well, listen, you know, just to be straight, most doctors go into medicine with good hearts, good intentions, and are really bright and want to do good in the world. And I would say that is true for most doctors I've met. And what happens is we get indoctrinated. And then it takes a while for us to realize. that everything you learn isn't the full picture.

And I can tell you that a lot of my patients, a lot, a lot of my patients are doctors. So they know they call me because their spouse or them or their kid isn't well and they don't know what to do and they tried everything. And then they call me. And I think if you kind of just peel back the curtain and you have these honest conversations in private, they're all going to go, yeah, I know, this whole system is rigged. It doesn't make sense. You know, it's all funded by the farm industry.

The food industry is driving this. We know that, you know, food is really important. It's not part of a curriculum. We know, we don't know what to do. We don't know how to apply it. We know what we know how to do. I know how to do brain surgery, but I don't know how to tell people what to eat, right? Which is great.

You need brain surgeons. But, you know, for the chronic diseases and internal medicine disease and all the sub-specialties in internal medicine, is, and I'm not leaving surgical specialties aside. It's really, it's really hard because they know that just prescribing drugs isn't fixing the problem. They know they're just managing the disease. They become a little disgruntled. And a lot of doctors are burned out. lot of doctors are getting out of medicine. And the beautiful thing about this work that I do is it's so

inspiring. It's so exciting. It's so invigorating because I actually get to see real changes in people's health. You mentioned chronic fatigue. If someone's listening and they have chronic fatigue, what are the steps that you would recommend that they take? It's a tough thing. So we have in medicine what we call syndromes, which are these collections of symptoms that we group into a bucket. And we say you have this bucket of things that is called X. You have, you know, these symptoms and it means you have chronic teeth. You have long COVID syndrome, right? You have PMS, you have premenstrual syndrome.

You have irritable bowel syndrome. These are things that are fibromyalgia syndrome or whatever the thing is. And generally it means that we don't have a clue what's causing it. Oh, great. And so it's medicine by symptom, not by cause. The approach that we take is really looking at root causes. And so I would say there is no one cause or treatment for chronic fatigue. It depends on what the issues are.

For me, it was mercury. It was Lyme disease. It was mold. Wow. You discovered all those things. Yeah, not a lot. I was like, that's been sort of my blessing and my curse. What was the source of those things?

Is it an environmental? I actually live, I have genetics. I do, we do deep genetics testing. I had genetics that showed that I'm not great at detoxing. I lived in China, which, you know, was building medical clinics there for foreigners. And someone told me actually got an air filter because it was really polluted. in Beijing in the winter. So I got one.

And stupidly, I would go and clean it out. I'd clean it out every day on the porch. And I would bang it and I would shake it and then the dust would flap and I would breathe it in. So I was literally just, I was not only breathing the air, I was being super concentrate of the air. And also I ate fish and, you know, tuna and all that had fillings. So I had many sources.

And then I had to get rid of that. And that caused me to just everything collapsed. My immune system collapsed. my gut collapse, my cognitive function was impaired. I felt like a dementia, depression, and ADD all one. So I would say the main causes of chronic fatigue would be environmental toxins, things like heavy metal. Mold is a huge one.

Leighton infections, like tick infections, particularly Lyme, Babacia, or Bartonella. And anything caused inflammation, so our common diet, which is, you know, pretty bad for our gut and our microbiome. So I kind of look at the map of what's going on of these triggers, and I find out, what is it for you? Like, are you a mold person? Is it mostly mercury? Usually it's a combo.

People usually have a combo package of stuff. And so we unravel it and people get better. So I'm now going to be 65 this year. You know, I'm healthier than I've ever been. And it's really been through unpacking this. And I was crushing on the Venice Boardwalk this morning on my new elliptical bike. I tell you. How big of a factor do genetics play into diseases and how we guard against them?

For example, like we have obviously different genetic makeups. Are there different kind of genetic backgrounds that put you in position for, to be at risk for more? You wouldn't know this looking at me. My grandma was full Japanese. I'm quarter. And I feel I do well with, I need like a fish-rish stuff. You need sushi. Yeah.

Yeah, no. But then my dad on the other side is more like Scottish, Irish. And so I- Yeah, and I do well with my meat. But I think we've noticed we respond differently. Yeah. 100%. So this is really where medicine is going is personalized medicine, right?

Function health allows you to get personalized diagnostics to know exactly what's going on with your health and to create a custom approach. for you. There's not a one-size-fits-all. And what we do know, though, is the genetics play a role, they're highly modifiable. You can modify the expression of your genes, not your genes. You know, you can't change your genes, but you can change which genes are expressed. So think about your genes like the keys on a piano. There are 88 keys. Can't change that. But the piano can play anything. Jazz, ragtime rock, blues, classical, whatever, right? From Mozart to, you know, Bob Dylan. Right? And that's, that's what happens with your genes. You have a control mechanism that's regulated by what you eat,

by how much you exercise, by environmental toxins, by your microbiome, by your thoughts and feelings to regulate your genes, by stress, all these things we have control over. This is called the exposome. The exposeome is what we're exposed to. And 90% of disease is caused by the exposome, which is great because it means we can do something about it. Like if you got some genetic disease and you're stuck and you have some really serious genetic disease like Down syndrome, Not much you can do. But this is not like that. Most genes are modifiable.

And so we're able to now look at people's genes and customize their approach. So I mentioned, for example, my genes around detoxification are bad. So if I eat sushi, I can't get rid of the mercury. It just stays in my system, right? But you might get rid of it because you're Japanese. Maybe you have a gene that maybe allows you to detox mercury fish. But by the way, mercury wasn't in fish, so probably not. But I guess maybe this is I am by no, nowhere close to this is educated you're on this.

but my gut and intuition tells me that there's something to look at in just in the terms of the way our ancestors evolved and what they were able to tolerate to be able to evolve. Yeah. And I think about like everything that. I remember my dad would get so much shit all the time because he was a meat and potatoes guy. But he's 80 and in perfect health and like works out. But meat potatoes got a bad rap. Yeah, of course.

But I looked at him and I'm like, well, if you think about like his ancestors, they probably evolved with most of that diet where my mom's, side was a lot of sushi tear point. We see that, right? We see that with, for example, Native Americans, you know, they evolved, particularly in America, they evolved with very little starch and sugar. They were eating mostly bison or they were eating extremely high-fibered diets with very low sugar and starch. And they were really healthy. I mean, they had some of the longest lived people in the world that turned in the 1900s, for example, Lakota. In the Pima Indians in Arizona, their cousins live across the border in Mexico. They're healthy.

They ate through traditional diet. The Pima Indians all of a sudden got the government commodity foods. I call it the white menace, white sugar, white flour, and white fat, otherwise known as shortening, which, you know why they call it shortening, right? Shortens your life. Yeah. Exactly. You heard that one.

So that white menace was not what they were adapted to biologically, genetically. And so now they're the second most obese population in the world after the Samoans. Wow. 80% of diabetes by the time they're 30. Life expectancy is 46, which is worst than most developing countries in the world. And this is right here in America. So we know that you have to match your life to your genes.

And we know different kinds of exercise to do better for different people. You know some people are more likely to have issues of blood sugar and carbohydrate intake and they have more genes that make them predisposed to addiction. And we can see all this through genetic testing, which is really helpful for me as a doctor,

help know what's going on with people. Well, I imagine then too with this modern diet is, and what I think about all the time is we have, our evolution is not yet caught up to all of these things that we're introducing into our diet. So if you've just taking that isolated example, expanding it across the entire population, are we designed to intake all of these artificial ingredients? No, no, no, no. A few weeks ago, there was a major, major study published in the British medical drug. And this study looked at ultra-processed food in 10 million people. So it looked, consumption across many studies, pooled analyses, a bunch of statistical mumbo-jumbo. But essentially it was looking at the

eyes of 10 million people. And they found that those who had the highest amounts of processed food have over 50% higher risk of heart attacks. They had a 50% higher risk of mental illness. Think about that. Depression, anxiety, higher risk of diabetes, higher risk of immune diseases, just across the board, it's bad for you. And yet this is now 60% of our diets, depending on some calculations, it could be up to 73% of American diet. This is what we're eating in America. This is why we're all sick. This is why we, for example, are 4% of the world's population, but had 60% of the COVID cases and deaths because we're pre-inflamed because of our diet. It's why 93% of us are poor metabolic health. And it's all fixable. It's all fixable. If you know what's going on inside your body,

if you peel back the hood, if you get to be the seal of your own health by understanding your own lab data and health data, you can actually change this. I would love to know the Dr. Mark opinion on Ozempic. Ah. No, no, I'm not. No, I'm I want to know like the, Zemik for everybody. What do you think? Do you think that it's for some people, for not for every, like, well, I want to know your exact vibe on it.

Great. Okay. So it's a drug, like any other drug that should be prescribed for the right person at the right time, for the right dose, for the right duration of time. So does it have a use? Absolutely. Do I think everybody who wants to lose five or ten pounds should be on it? Hell no.

I think we now are starting to see the concerns around the side effects. So a lot of the benefits have to do with the weight loss. We say, oh, Zempic helps with this and that. It's just getting people's weight down will help. But what are the consequences of that? If you lose weight on a Zempic, you're losing about half fit as muscle, unless you are very vigorous in the gym with strength training and loading up on protein, like a gram of protein per pound, which is a lot.

So you've got to really load up on protein, but still then it can be difficult. So you can end up having lost all the weight, but because you lose half the muscle and muscle burned seven times of calories of fat, you're going to be having a slower metabolism at the end. So you're going to eat less than you would otherwise normally be eating at that weight. So it's really a big issue. If you stop the drug, 65% of the weight is people will regain all the weight. Why?

Because they haven't changed the fundamental thing, which is understanding nutrition, how they should eat to fuel their bodies and how to self-regulate. If, you know, people are trying to use willpower to change their behavior. It's impossible. You have to use science. And so the 10-day detox we were talking about earlier is essentially a science-based program to reset your brain chemistry, to reset your hormones like insulin, to reset your metabolism. So you don't have to use world power.

If someone does go on a Zembek though and they need to get off, maybe they should do your detox program. Like as like a... I think they need, yes, they can do that. But they really need to understand how their bodies work and how food is, while affecting their own biochemistry and everything. And it's not that hard to know. It's just there's nowhere to learn it easily.

That's why I've written 19 books to teach people. But it's possible. Now, the other thing that's concerned to me about OZempic and that class of drugs is that it seems to affect the intestine in ways that are really harmful. So when we see a change in a drug, like, for example, we say, oh, statins are great for heart disease. They reduce the risk of heart attacks by 30%. We're like, oh, my God, 30%.

That's such a big result. Well, we're seeing increases in bowel obstruction, which means you need to go to the hospital and have surgery or have a tube put down your nose and suck your stomach out. Not a trivial thing. We're seeing an increase of that of 450%. Oh, wow. We're seeing pancreatitis, which is a very serious medical condition where you eat up your pancreas. You can cause diabetes. You can prevent you from digesting your food forever.

It's inflamed pancreas. 900% increase in pancreatitis. So when I see this data come out, I'm like, you know, there's an article published in the New England Journal a while ago that said, be sure to use new drugs as soon as they come out before the side effects develop. So, you know, when they test a drug, they tested for three months, six months, maybe a year, not for two, three, four, five years. So now we're starting to see people being on it longer term and we're starting to see

these consequences globally. And it's really concerning. So this is like the latest fat. I think it's going to dip down. And, you know, it's extremely expensive. I mean, everybody who was overweight in America took it. It would be $5.1 trillion a year, which is more than their entire healthcare budget. And even if the drugs come down and cost, it's still a lot.

And it kind of misses the target, which is how do we change the root cause of obesity? I was scrolling through Instagram the other day and I saw this little reel from the 1930s, a video reel. And there's always people walking on the street in New York. There was not a single person who was overweight. Not a single person. It's like a fitness video of the high school kids doing the training. Have you seen that one? Yeah, yeah.

I mean, you can go. Even in 1970, you look at, there's a beautiful movie called Amazing Grace about Aretha Franklin, where she's in this black church in Oakland, and she's just belting it out. You look at the whole audience, black audience. There isn't one overweight person in the audience, including Ruth Franklin. But then for 50 years, in African Americans who are healthier in the 60s than whites are now suffering disease at a disproportionate rate. There are twice likely to get diabetes, four times likely to have amputations,

nine times likely to get kidney failure. I mean, it's really bad. We've just basically, I mean, I hate to say this broadly, but we've essentially poisoned our food. Yeah, we've poisoned our food supply. And now there's a, there's a problem too with, in many cases, the lack of education and a broad spectrum around a lot of these things. And people just, and I've heard this argument so many times like, well, you know, groceries

are getting more expensive. We've got to be affordable. It's like we were talking to Brian Johnson yesterday. It's an extreme example. But it's almost like one of these things was like, okay, I know this is bad for me. I know this fast food and this highly processed food is bad for me, but I'm hungry and I need to eat and I need to be able to afford it. So I'm going to intentionally take something that I know in the long run is not great. And I feel people, a lot of people to empathize,

they feel like, I don't have another option. Well, some people don't, some people don't. But I would say the majority don't. I think it's just, we've been so bamboozled by the food industry with massive advertising. I mean, in the Super Bowl, there were 11 ads for junk food that are poison in the first half. I turned it off after I'm sure I turned it off. Did you know, it's National Serial Day. I think that was pushed by Kellogg, so they're pushing cereal for kids at dinner now. Yeah, cereal is one of the biggest scams ever promulgated on the human species. It is deadly to eat cereal in the morning, literally.

It's mostly sugar, right? But I think working in this field for a long time, yes, some people know. Some people are just dysregulated and they can't control their behavior because their hormones and their biochemistry is whacked out. And even though when they know it's bad, they all eat it. But I would say a lot of people just don't know. I mean, I worked on a film that was called Fed Up and still, I think it's on Netflix about 10 years ago.

And as part of the film, I went down to South Carolina and one of the worst food deserts. And there was a family of five there living in a trailer on food stamps and disability, a thousand bucks a month. And the father had diabetes type two, already on dialysis for kidney failure. The mother was 100 plus pounds overweight. The son was 50% body fat. He should be 10% at 16 years old, almost diabetic. And I'm like, why do you guys want to be part of this movie?

Why do you want to sort of improve your health? Well, you know, they all started crying. And it was like, the father couldn't get a new kidney unless he lost 45 pounds. He was going to die. They didn't know what to do. So I said, okay, let's go to your house. Let's go shopping. Let's go to your house.

So I got them simple meal. I got, I got ingredients based on a guide from the environmental working group, EWD.org called good food on a tight budget. How do you eat well for you and the planet and your wallet? We made turkey chili from scratch. We made salad from scratch. We made some sweet potatoes. We stir fried some asparagus.

They made really simple stuff. We did all together. They didn't have cutting board. They didn't have knives. They had no clue. I said, see what's in your kitchen. And we went and pulled. that everything in their freezer and the fridge and the cup

and the boxes. You couldn't tell it was a corn dog or a Pop-Tart. You know, like if you looked at the back of the ingredient list, it was the same long list of ingredients of highly processed foods, basically deconstructed, chemically altered, structurally different, food-like products. And if you look at the definition of food in the dictionary, it's basically a substance that helps support life and growth. And these are not foods, by the definition of what food is. And this was all of their diet.

They didn't know what to do differently. And they were shocked. They were like, oh my God, I didn't know. And so I said, I don't know if you can do this, but, you know, I'm going to send you some cutting boards in a knife, a few knives. Here's my cookbook. Here's, here's a guy down to eat well for less. Same goes. The father lost 45 pounds, got a new kidney. The mother lost 100 pounds, got off from her medicine.

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What are the keys to youth? You mentioned your book. What are the things that we should be eating that we should be doing to stay young? Yeah. Inside and out. Yeah. I don't know. Although I would like some tips on that too.

Well, laser and, you know, I know you're big on staying out of the sun and all your skincare products. I like, I like the sun in the morning and for hormones. I just am saying, don't bake in a tanning bed in the sun all the time without sunscreen. Yeah. That's true. You know, I wrote a book about this. called Young Forever. It really maps out what I'm talking about in great detail about what are the things that go wrong as you get older. How do you address the root causes? And diagnostic testing is a

big part of it. How do you know if you have poor metabolic health? Most people walk around and don't even have a clue. All the people who did the 30,000 people, then 89% of them have poor metabolic health. I guarantee you probably 90 plus percent had no idea. How do they find out which test is it, is it a blood prick? So it's a blood test. You go to one of our partner labs. You go in for 15 minutes. Boom. You get your blood time. anything. I would rather shit in a box and do a blood test. That's a gut test. Well, you know what? There's, there's cream that you can get that we give to little kids. We can put on your arm. You won't feel a thing. You look away. It's in and out.

It's quick. Quick. 15, literally 15 minutes you're in and out of the whole thing. And it's very efficient. All your labs get uploaded to the platform we have and function help. And you can see through a dashboard how you do and what's going on over time. So you can find all that out. And that's really the first step is understanding what's going on under the hood. And then it's really simple. I mean, it's really what you eat. It's how you exercise. It's your sleep. It's how you manage stress. It's avoiding environmental toxins. It's helping your microbiome be healthy. It makes your nutrient status is good. It's really not that hard. And I map it out in the book. And for people want to go really deep, there's a lot of extra stuff you can do. But for the basics, it'll take care

of 80 to 90% of it. I mean, I visited the Blue Zones in Sardinia and Icaria. And, you know, they didn't have like, you know, hyperbaric oxygen or they didn't have like, you know, thyroid ozone or like cold plunges and sauna. They didn't have any of that. You know, they were hiking up the mountains five miles a day at 95 years old. They were eating food that was, they didn't even call it, but it was a regenerative, organic, heirloom, this and that, you know, and so they were eating naturally in a way that was supporting health.

They were exercising and moving. And they had the community. So at the end of the day, it's not that hard. And it's really what we've been sharing is these simple practices. that make a big difference to reset your biology. The moment that I realized that we were, like it was just like a, called a paradigm shift is we were talking about raw milk, right?

And we were talking about cooking organic and ultra-processed. But all of these terms are modern terms. You know, if you go back 100 years before all this technology, it was just food. Like I was telling me, we were talking their day, I was like milk 100 years ago was just milk. It wasn't like raw milk, right? It wasn't, you know, organic was just the food that grew in the garden,

right? Now we have all these terms in it, and it's almost, as a differentiator to the garbage, I guess, that is out there now. And when I started thinking about it, like, why do you need to describe just a normal food as organic? It just should just be normal food. Sure, I mean, everything your great grandmother ate was organic. Yeah. It was all grass fed. There was all, there was anything else. Yeah, milk was just milk. Yeah, there's no grass. It was like, this was just the cow or this was the goat or this was the, you know, the vegetable. I mean,

I just came back from Argentina and, you know, they've been doing this for a long time. They do have feed loss there. But I went on a ranch of 60 pylm in acres. They were, you know, 500 plus head of cows and they were roaming around wild and we had to go round them up. It was my lifelong dream to be a cowboy and round up round up cows like a gout show because I learned riding when I was a young kid and so I always want to do that. But we were like, you know, going to these remote areas and these valleys were hiding in trees. We were like, get the cows. I was like, they were off doing their thing. They were kind of wild cows almost that had been brought in for, you know, getting some salt or whatever we had to do that day. But it was, it was pretty amazing. And so we really have lost

the art of creating real food. What is the Dr. Mark approved wake up protocol, wind down protocol? Like do you have what I do in the morning? How do you bookend your day? Great, great question. So morning I wake up and this is not what I do every day, but this is my perfect day. Give us your perfect day. Every day when you wake up and just kind of simmer in bed a little bit, maybe remember my dreams,

but then sit up and write. I like to write in the morning. So I would write just journaling, what's going on in my life, what's happening, what am I thinking, what am I learning, and sort of get my head straight. It's sort of like my own inner therapy. I might have a cup of coffee and then I'll usually work out. And I'll do resistance band training because I can bring it with me anywhere I travel. And I had back surgery years ago and I used Tom Brady's program.

It's TB12. And it's 30 minutes bands, you know, hardcore and it's cardio and strength. If I have a really, really perfect day and I have time, I'll go for a bike ride or play tennis, some other kind of cardio. And then I have my, I call my healthy aging shake. And so in that shake, I put... I might have to record this video. Sorry, I get excited for you.

It's in the book, but it's called The Healthyest Shake. And I use regeneratively raised goat way. The reason I use goat is that most people tolerate it better. It's less inflammatory, but it's an extremely powerful form of protein that turns into muscle. And as I'm going to be 65, I want to keep my muscle. I want to build more muscle. Then I'll add creatine, which helps fill muscle. How many grams like five?

Five. Okay. Then I add something called urolithin A, which, which is a derivative of pomegranate. It's been found to increase muscle, to improve mitochondrial function, reduce inflammation, and help with longevity. I've not heard that one.

I'm going to take that. Yep, Learithine. And then I also add in an adaptogenic mushroom powder. I add in frozen berries. I'll put in probiotics. So it's sort of like my kind of go-to all-in-one, save my life shake. And is it with the liquid basis like ice or water?

Yeah, I'll put in, I'll put in like a very simple, nut milk. So it's just like almonds, water, salt. It's not like with all the emulsifiers and thickeners and sweeteners, right? So I'll usually use something like that or magadamia milk is my favorite. And then I'll put in the blender and that'll get me going on usually 30 to 40, depending on 50 grams of protein in my shake. And that's kind of way I go. And then I take my a handful of supplements that I like to use to up level my health. Which are? Oh, it's a long list. But I know we love it. I love stuff like this. I mean, I start I start with a multivitamin to cover all the bases, a vitamin D,

particularly. Liquid or a pill? With vitamin K2 added, which is important. Omega three, which is really important. I take a really high quality omega three with something called pro resolve and mediators, which is another whole other topic, but it's like the break on your immune system. So that's my kind of core stack.

I will also add in a lot of longevity stuff that I like to take. So for example, NMN, I'll take, I'll take Kocu10, I'll take mitochondrial support. So carnitine, NLCSys 16 for my detox system. I'll add in magnesium at night. help me kind of come down. So this is my morning kind of stack. And then at night, you're asking me about my nightly routine.

So, oh, but yeah, the other thing I do in the morning is usually I, at my house, I don't always when I travel, but I have a steam shower and sauna and a bath. I don't really have a cold plunge, but I just turn the water on cold, which is cold enough. And I go in the steam sauna and I go into the cold. And that, that gets me going and then I'm ready to go for the day. I have one like side tangent question. You mentioned coffee could be good for some people, but not for others. Yeah.

I feel personally that I'm able to process caffeine quickly and get it out of my system. But Lauren, I think is very... It's a gene. It's a gene. You can actually measure it. We measure it. And you can see if you're a faster slow metabolizer. So some people, I can drink an espresso and go to sleep.

And I'm like, I have coffee in the morning. I'm like, time in the walls for the next three days, you know? Like... So some people just, if the gene is not do well with caffeine, they should maybe... Yeah. Yeah. Listen to your body. If you feel anxious, stressed, irritable, high blood pressure, high heart rate, I did my...

Sweaty. It said that I have the gene to probably do well with it. will. But I think, but yeah, because my brother-in-law, Nico, I'm sorry, Nico to call you out. He was wondering, like, at some point, are we all going to look back on coffee and say, this is something that we should eliminate. And I think it's nuanced to your point. Having four or five cups of coffee is not a good idea. Having a couple of coffee in the morning is fine. It's the biggest source of antioxidants in the American diet. Not because coffee's so great, it's because the rest of our diet's so crap. And that, and that's...

What brand of coffee do you drink? Oh, that's a good question. Because coffee has mold. Mold free coffee. Yeah, I bet you have a good coffee. There's a, there's a kind of micro, what do you call it micro roaster. What I mean? Microaster in my town called Six Depot. They get the beans fresh. They roast them themselves.

They grind them. They're very fresh. So I like, I like that. But I think it's available online, but I really like their coffee. We have to get your nighttime routine. Nighttime.

Nighttime, I usually wind down and get off my devices, usually after about 8 o'clock, often read at night. My favorite is to take a hot Epsom salt bath with lavender drops. And here's why. Epsom salt is magnesium sulfate. So magnesium gets absorbed through the skin.

Magnesium is the relaxation mineral. So it relaxes all your muscles, relax your nervous system, relax your brain. It binds to receptors in your brain that calm you down. And the sulfate in there turns into sulfur in your body, which is important for detoxification. And then the lavender oil, scientifically proven, and by the way, Johnson and Johnson knows this

because they make baby bath with lavender drops, right? And they've shown this in research. It lowers cortisol. Cortisol is the stress hormone. And all of us are living sort of jacked up lives, high cortisol, go, go, go. And you can actually see cortisol drop. So I take a hot lavender bath, soak for 20 minutes, get into bed, maybe read a little bit, and then go to sleep.

You wondered what all those strange noises were in the bathroom. That was me. I just didn't have the lavender. I was just crashing around. I also take magnesium at night as a supplement as well. And I also take ashriganda, which is very helpful for calming cortisol. Because, you know, I'm like doing a million things and lots of going on. And so I kind of go pretty hard, but it helps me kind of calm down.

What are you reading? What am I reading now? Yeah. I'm reading a fascinating book. It's called Rethinking Diabetes by Gary Taubes. And it's a fascinating history of how diabetes was treated from the beginning. And so we talked about before we had insulin, what do we do with type 1 diabetes? We would put people on a ketogenic diet to keep them alive.

You know, 75% fat. We've got to go back. Yeah. And then insulin came like, oh, we can give everybody to carbohydrates. and they had no idea what was going to happen. I was talking about the sort of historical content. Gary is just a great writer. It's being like in a suspense novel, but except it's the history of diabetes.

But I'm a little geeky. I mean, maybe not like that, but it's a great book. If people want to start right now on your platform and they are ready to get started, what do they need to do? Where are they? Really easy. Okay. Go to functionhealth.com.

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they're going to go, well, I don't know about these tests. I don't know what this means. You don't need that or like there's a lot of that happening unfortunately but eventually they'll come along and they'll start to learn like wow, this is amazing. I think what I like about it so much is that I'm so into preventative beauty like I'll get you know Botox between my between my 11 like to be preventative but this is like preventative health. Yeah. And I think that that needs to be talked about so much more like you're doing. And I think that it gives you information that you wouldn't have that it's incredible and it's accessible. Yeah. Well, just to go on the beauty thing for a minute and you're right about all that is beauty starts from the inside out. You can put all the lotions, potions,

and creams and lasers and gels and Botox. If you don't deal with the inflammation in your body, if you don't deal with the gut microbiome issues, if you don't deal with the nutritional deficiencies that you have, you can't get good skin. Right. Skin happens from the inside out. So omega-3 deficiencies we test for. We test for your thyroid health. We test for your metabolic health.

We test for all these things that affect your skin health, inflammation levels, all these things we know have an impact on your skin health. So we can actually help modify those things. And then we'll get better as a side effect, right? It's really cool what you're doing. I want to know, too, if someone's going to start with one of your 19 books, which one do you think they should start with? I mean, I love Young Forever.

I let it put my heart and soul into it. I synthesize everything I've learned over the last 30 years. And it's very programmatic and gives you exactly idea of what to do. 19 books. I'm going to be eating my sardines. 15 New York Times bestsellers. Wow. Well, the 19th one is coming out June 4th.

It's called the Young Forever Cookbook. So that might be a best seller too. So we might get 16 out of 19. Dr. Mark, I am surprised, like I said, that it's taking us this long. Open invite anytime. Okay. So much to talk about it. Come back anytime.

I could ask you so many different questions. Let's go. Where can everyone find you, give you your Instagram, all the things? Yeah, so Dr. Pharmacy Podcast, where you're going to bring your podcasts, social media is Dr. Mark Hyman. That's DR. Mark Hyman. My website, Dr.hyman.com. Thank you for coming on code skinny confidential to skip the line. Awesome.

We'll link it out to. Thank you.