The Bossticks - Dr. Sarah Rahal On The Root Cause Of Chronic Disease & Tools To Heal Yourself

Episode Date: September 18, 2023

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Dr. Sarah was an incredible guest. And Lauren and I, as always, had a lot of fun. With that, Dr. Sarah Rahal, welcome to the skinny confidential, him and her show. This is the skinny confidential, him and her. Dr. Sarah, welcome to the show. I think to begin with a little background on you and then obviously we're going to get into how you've been got into the space, but you're a double board certified. I don't want to mess this up. Pediatric neurologists. How do you even get into that world? Well, I'm the child of immigrant

parents. So I think there are two career paths that were options for me growing up, the doctor or lawyer. So the parents dream when they immigrate to the country. But I've always found the brain fascinating. So I think neurology was a natural fit for me. And people often think that it's depressing to work with kids, pediatric neurology, but I actually found so much hope. Because with adults, their brains are already formed. There's not much you can do when things go wrong, but kids are really resilient and their brains are very plastic and evolving. And they have recovery from insults that happen very early in life in a way that adults just don't have the flexibility to do. So there's a lot of hope in the field and I really enjoyed it. So when kids were, I guess,

when parents were bringing their children to you, there was an issue that had a resident or that they found that they needed to work on. So that's, that was your introduction to work on. A lot of seizures, neurodevelopmental disorders, brain tumors, cancers, and young kids really ran the gamut. Wow. What are some of the most common things that you would work on with kids on? Seizures are probably the most common. And I also was a headache and chronic pain specialist. So I saw a of kids that even from the age as young as two, we're suffering from debilitating headaches, so we're interfering with their quality of life. I'm reading this book called Playing Doctor. And it showcases, I might flub this, it showcases him as an intern. And then part two,

the second book is him as a resident. And then part three is him as a doctor. And he talks about your specialty and says that it's like the sort of like in a hierarchy in a hospital it's like the best to go into that and it's the smartest people that go in to your specialty. I literally just read this. Can't make this up. It's harmonious. Did you find that to be true? The very, very smart doctors end up in neurology. I'm not sure. Maybe smart in a very specific way. Yeah. It's very challenging and a lot of puzzle pieces in neurology because so much is still unknown and kids can't communicate always what's going wrong. So you're really playing detective. Day-to-day work. When someone brings a child to you or a patient to you,

where do you even start trying to navigate any of this? Because I think for people that obviously aren't in your field, like how do you even go about trying to help or heal or fix the brain? So much is in this story. And parents often underestimate just how important their recollection of events is because there are circumstances, sometimes even before a child is born, that start to plant the clues as to what might be going wrong or might have happened. And we have all sorts of technology that allows us to image the brain and its function and measure brain waves. And so, again, like a detective, putting all the people, pieces together and trying to come up with what's the most likely story. How much of this is like physical trauma versus emotional trauma? Or is it all physical? In what way? When say someone's having seizures or a child's having,

like is this, what is the root cause of these issues or headaches or like what do you find to be the cause of all these things? I think what your, your question is is such a brilliant one because it's something that really unlocked a new path of medicine on my journey, which is piecing together all of the psychosocial, epigenetic, environmental influences that go into manifesting what we recognize as disease. And it's relevant in neurology and it's relevant for the host of of diseases that we see across the age spectrum. And I think Western medicine is very focused on

band-aid solutions and the physical manifestations of things and they don't do a good job at addressing all of the other pieces of the puzzle that sometimes are even more influential in determining how a disease may manifest and how much pain somebody is in. When you look at a lot of your cases, is there a common denominator that you see before the seizure happens? Very variable. very variable. There are seizures that are the result of genetic abnormalities. There are seizures that are the result of trauma that's happened. They're environmentally induced ones. There are many that are combination and assortment of all of the above. So when you're studying, I'm going to blunder this because this is not my world of expertise,

but if you're going through a residency or schooling or whatever, you know, to get into this field, are you saying that as you're studying most of this is taking a Western focus, which is on the Band-Aid stuff. And so it's difficult then to diagnose or look at some of maybe what I guess for me, it was just intuitively I figured there's some kind of emotion that plays into this. But maybe you're not studying that as much as that kind of what you're saying. Yeah. Band-Aid solutions are very good at stopping bad things from happening as they're unfolding.

Like we have great seizure medications to stop a seizure that's been going on for too long. We have incredible miraculous surgeries that we can do on the brain to improve swelling or tumors that have cropped up. But Western medicine does not have the tools and the resources and is not incentivized to equip people, families, children with the tools to prevent these issues from happening in the first place or to prevent them from recurring. So when you say incentivized, you mean like finance? financially or? Yeah, it's just not the way that the Western model is built. It's built around pharmaceutical and surgical solutions. And those are not always always the best. They're effective for certain things, but I think they're used too often and too liberally for things where other alternative solutions may be more effective and cause less harm. What are some signs that a child

or an adult needs to see a neurologist immediately. There are many different kinds of neurologic conditions, but neurology is so, it's just spectacular field because who we are in the world is determined by the function of our brain. And that's in its physical manifestation, and its spiritual manifestation, and its consciousness manifestation. And so any time that there's an alteration along any of those issues, I think it's appropriate to see a neurologist.

It's appropriate to see a neurologist when the body is behaving in a way that is unrecognizable or unusual. Things are moving that shouldn't be. There are pain in places where it shouldn't be things like that. Speaking of pain, I have kind of a selfish question. I remember at a young age getting debilitating headaches. And it kind of, you know, I still do not as- Does everyone do this too at dinner?

parties? Well, now that I got you in a hot seat, I made out. Here he goes. You know, this is like a free consultation for me. I'm going to take advantage for sure. No, but I remember as a kid getting like really bad ones at the point where I'd have like nightmares when I had them. Yeah. And then, and like still sometimes can remember images of the dreams from when I was like little when I had these bad headaches. And I've gotten headaches on and off through my entire life. They're less now, maybe because I've learned how to properly get the stuff I need. But I'm wondering, like, why do children, young children get headaches in the first place? So, Most headaches are migraine.

Even though they're most commonly diagnosed by a doctor as sinus headaches or tension headaches, if a headache is severe enough to cause you pain and stop you from what you're doing, it would make me vomit sometimes. It's most likely a migraine headache. Yeah, it would make me vomit sometimes because it would be so much pain. Absolutely. We think of migraines as headaches, but actually migraines are a generalized dysfunction of the central nervous system. And that's why there are manifestations of migraine that go beyond just having a headache.

Sometimes people can have migraine without a headache. And the leading theory as to the underlying pathophysiology, the underlying what's going wrong when a migraine happens is metabolic dysfunction in the brain and an inflammatory cascade that results as a consequence of that. So the cells in the brain do not have the energy to properly fuel themselves. And that comes from nutrient deficiencies. That comes from rapid changes in altitude or caffeine if they're used to experiencing caffeine or exposure to alcohol or exposure to inflammatory particles in the environment, exposure to allergens, missing a meal with blood sugar drop, dehydration, electrolyte imbalance, many different things can trigger migraine.

And everybody has a threshold somewhere. Some people's threshold is lower. Some people have a threshold that's very high. So they only get migraine, like if they're really sick with a virus or something like that. So this kind of threshold is determined genetically. It's the combination of triggers that kind of set you off. And you can control your threshold by healthy lifestyle habits that kind of keep you boosted up. Staying hydrated with electrolytes, making sure you get good quality.

sleep, you're not going long periods without eating, you manage your stress, et cetera, et cetera. But at the core level, the cells aren't getting the energy that they need to function. And it causes the inflammatory cascade. And that's why migraine is associated with other abnormalities of the nervous system. Nausea, light sensitivity, sound sensitivity, smell sensitivity, dizziness, often delayed emptying of the entire gastrointestinal tract, pain. Some people can have weakness. Some people can have tingling and numbness. Some people can see visual oras passing across their view.

So it's this constellation of things. Headache is only one part of it. You know, I've tried to explain, like if people have not had migraines, it's really difficult to explain the feeling. all those things. You just said are like spot on. And so what does the body do? The body, your natural, your body is so wise. It's so wise. The instinct when you have a migraine is shut the lights off and go to sleep. The body is telling you to minimize, minimize exposures in the environment that require it to do work. I'm saying, I don't have enough energy to do work. So go to sleep. Go to sleep.

Turn the lights off. Be quiet. I don't want any stimulation around me. And that's what your body instinctively has you do that. It knows how to protect itself. Just like when you, when you, when you, fainting is not enough blood supply getting to your heads. Your body actually makes you collapse so that gravity does the work. Two follow up questions. Then we can move on. So in children, is this mostly a nutrient thing or is this something in the environment? Like why how do you young? Because I remember being a. In kids, it's often a combination of all of these factors. And diet is huge.

Okay. Diet is a huge factor. And stress, you know, stress, you'll see these kinds of flares around end of summer when school is starting because it's part of the triggers. But in very young kids, their brains aren't fully developed. And so they have manifestations of migraine. They don't look like migraine in adults. they often don't get headache. Sometimes they just have hallucinations. Sometimes they just have vomiting episodes or abdominal pain. It's believed that colic is actually the earliest form of migraine

in babies, this uncontrolled crying that happens. I was going to ask then, you said hallucinations, because I remember very vivid like nightmares and visions. And I wonder if that's part of it. I mean, I remember this stuff when I, I'm talking like young, like four or five, six years old. It sounds like it left quite an imprint on you. Well, no, because I mean, I think it's, but I think about it now because I'm like, why? Because it's, it's kind of carried with me my whole life where I get these migraines. The migraines have gotten better recently when you moved and detoxed your home in Austin. No, no, for sure they've gotten better.

I haven't heard you complain about them, which is interesting, which she's saying, that environment plays a big role in, so maybe there was something in your environment. Chemical? Who knows? All of this is part of what I saw in my practice. It was so disturbing, which is an absolute boom in chronic disease, like migraine, like pain, like epilepsy, like neurodevelopmental disorders, an absolute boom in chronic disease in young children, starting earlier and earlier. And today, 54% of kids have a chronic disease diagnosis. Allergies, as a disease. one of these neurologic conditions I mentioned, 54%.

But why that is so remarkable is because that number was 1.6% in the 1960s. That's what I was going to ask you is what data set you were comparing. So, okay, so in the last call it. So in a generation and a half, we've gone from 1.6% chronic disease to 54% chronic disease in kids. our genes didn't mutate in a generation. These are all environmentally induced issues because our landscape very rapidly changed over the past 60 to 70 years,

post-industrialization post-World War II, with the surge of chemicals in our air, water, bath, body, home care products, these pesticides, these pollutants, all of these agricultural chemicals. They're even in our furniture and our clothes. You know, it's so interesting you're bringing this up now. And it's weird how things happen on this show sometimes. But we had Michelle Fiper who came on and she's got this clean fragrance company called Henry Rose, which we love. And her whole, her thing was she wanted to remove a lot of these toxins that are in a lot of these things. And then from that we had Ken Cook,

who's the head of the EWG, come on and talk about all these environmental toxins and things that are our products. And then we had Branch Basics. founder on talking about all the cleaning supplies. And literally right before you came on, we had Darren Olin on here. And he just wrote a book all about these environmental toxins. And one of the things we were talking about is how our environments are far outpacing our evolution and that we're just not able to keep up with it. And for a minute, I was like, Lauren and I the tinfoil hat people. But I think there's enough people like yourself with the credentials who see either patients or have been doing the science to come out and say like,

hey, there's a real issue going on right now. But don't you think it's interesting that you having migraine with a certain environment and now what she's saying you don't have the migraines well i still do get them sometimes but not as much huh okay well i just think that's interesting i think some of it to your point is genetic right like if you if my tolerance there's a yeah your threshold is somewhat genetically set but if you're an environment in an environment where you're exposed to a high chemical and toxin burden i mean you're just going to be shooting overshooting that threshold on a basis. And the brain is designed to learn, right? So the brain actually learns how to have a headache. And so you see patients when they start having more frequent headaches, their brain

actually gets better and better at giving them a headache and becomes easier and easier to set it off. So as you're working in your practice and with these children, you start to see these chronic issues more and more often. I imagine that's frustrating because you're obviously trying to help your patients. And so at what point do you start to kind of think about doing something a little different? And I know we're going to get into what you're doing now with Armour. Yeah. Like, what's the trigger point? So, so I'm, I'm looking at all of this data here. There's 90,000 chemicals on the new chemicals on the market. Less than 1% have ever been tested for safety or their effects on human health. They were all grandfathered in in the 70s. I'm seeing this outcropping of chronic disease and in these kids.

and I'm trying to deliver the best care I can, which is why I went into medicine to help people. naive me. And I met with the Western model, which is get patients in and out, write the prescription, get the tests. You don't have time to do two-hour intake to understand their dietary history and what's going on in their family dynamics, their environment at home, and what kind of rug cleaner are they using. it's just not a model that's set up to really do a deep dive and deliver the best care that I knew I could. I was trained in functional medicine and environmental health at this point. So I left. I was tired of arguing with my administrators. I left and around the time that I left, I got really sick. I got really sick with my own gut health issues that started in childhood and were kind of poo-poohed with Band-Aid

solutions by doctors my whole life and even my smartest doctor colleagues didn't really know how to help me. And I was in debilitating pain most of the time and not getting any better. So I left. I stumbled on research of a product called colostrum. I thought that maybe I'd be working on a new kind of infant formula. And colostrum is the first milk that all mammals produce for 48 to 72 hours after delivery. So essentially the first nutrition we all receive in life. And it's kind of like a food, but it acts more like a blueprint for the body. It is chockful of all of these antioxidants and peptides and growth factors and prebiotics and antibodies and vitamins and micronutrients that can't be found in any other natural source. We found anywhere

else. And they work together in the body as this first thing that we take in and optimize development of all the different organ systems really early in life, the immune system and all of the formative structures. And what was so remarkable is, as I'm combing through the literature on this, I uncovered over 5,000 research publication. This was not just helpful for babies, but the evidence was talking about its benefits at all stages of life, including two recent studies showing that colostrum was at least three times more effective than the flu vaccine at preventing flu. And I said, I didn't really know about this.

Why aren't we all talking about this? And how does a product for babies, why is it helpful at all of these other ages? And what I came to learn and appreciate is that one of the ways that, that all these compounds in colostrum work synergistically in the body, is that they seal up what are called the immune barriers. They seal up all the barriers in the body. It's just like we have skin on the outside of our body, protects from the outside world. We have the same lining along the inside of the body. Our nose, our sinuses, mouth, lungs, gut, urinary reproductive track. It's like skin on the inside. It's literally the interface between everything we inhale

and ingest and absorb and our bloodstream. And the modern world that we've now evolved with and are like maladapted to has all of these toxins that we're just talking about, pollutants and pesticides, the first pathway these things hit in the body are the barriers. You inhale them, you ingest them. And one of the most detrimental things that they do is they break down the integrity of that barrier. and they allow things that shouldn't get into the body to get into the body. They trigger the immune

system inappropriately, and that's inflammation. And inflammation is what underpins almost every single modern chronic disease. We talked about migraine, but it's everything. Allergies, asthma, certain cancers, multiple sclerosis, autoimmune conditions. All of these things are driven by inflammation. But it's also the day-to-day health issues everybody you know struggles with that we take as common, unwanted weight gain, mental fog, bloating, and digestive discomfort, all these things can be traced back to inflammation. And so what I learned in this colostrum research is that babies have a problem with their barrier too when they're born, because when they're born, it's immature, so it's really leaky. So colostrum evolved in mammals 300 million years ago, specifically to be the

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poor gut management when I was young, a lot of antibiotic courses, a lot of untreated issues, and an underlying structural genetic issue. I'm very hypermobile. I have very flexible joints. And so my tissue is just very lax in my colon, so it was susceptible. You know, this is interesting. This kind of injury. on the antibiotic front, and this is like kind of a personal story, but talking about this, because we've had a few people come on the show recently, Annie Lawless, who just came on. She's the founder of the company Suja. I don't know if you've ever seen it. But she said that she had so many rounds of antibiotics when she was a kid and again had gut issues. And I don't think enough people are talking about this. And the reason I bring it up is we were just traveling with our son who's young. And he got sick when we were overseas. And so we brought a doctor into the hotel we were staying in. He looked at it. And we were calling our doctor here. And he started getting this ration. The first thing is, is like, hey, you got to do this round. They thought it was an ear infection. So, like, give him some antibiotics in the ear.

I was like, uh, so we thought about it. And then they came back and said, oh, do a round of antibiotics orally. Long story short, I talked to a bunch of people because we have the benefit of speaking. Dr. Daryl. Dr. Daryl, our doctor here, Dr. Conover. And all of them were like, hey, that might not be so good on the little guy system. So we didn't give him the antibiotic. And sure enough, within two or three days, he was completely fine.

But I think, like, a lot of parents just don't know and they get scared into it. It's automatic. You want to do something. Yes. So when a doctor's going to write a prescription and give you a pill that's going to help your child, that's a very alluring. And my, I had that over and over and over and over again. And here was the doctor's response over there, not to say he was a bad guy or anything, but he's just like, I know this will take whatever's in there out, but there was no thought of like what the long-term repercussions were. This is what they know. This is the training. So, so this is a dairy product. And I was very worried about putting something like that in my body because I was so sick. And so I don't a little bit into the dairy.

Because it doesn't make sense that everybody nowadays has an issue with dairy. It just doesn't evolutionarily make any sense. Dairy, milk is the first nutrition we put into our body. It's the natural food we make for infants. Why does nobody tolerate it nowadays to drink milk and have dairy products. It's not the dairy itself that's the problem. It is the manufacturing that is mandated by the FDA. Dairy is a living food. It contains all these bioactive compounds in it, especially colostrum. But because the FDA regulation mandates pasteurization and sterilization, the inexpensive way to do that is with very high temperatures for a very long time. This is problematic because when you expose a living particle to high temperatures, it destroys its activity. Because these compounds work in the body

like a lock-in key mechanism. It has a specific shape that fits a specific receptor. So this bioactive goes into the body, hits the cell, the cell recognizes it, and this triggers a cascade of physiologic activity and benefit. When you expose a bioactive to high temperature, it denatures or it unfolds, changes shape. When this goes into the body, it doesn't get recognized. In fact, the body thinks this is foreign. I've never seen this before. I don't know what this is. Attack it. Which is why when I have regular milk like I had the other day, my stomach hurt, but I have raw milk and it doesn't hurt at all. There you go. This triggers an inflammatory and immune reaction in the body. And so people have bloating digestive discomfort, even rashes, sometimes respiratory issues, skin,

rashes or breakouts. It's not the dairy, it's the processing. So I spent two years in research and development to create what is a cold chain pasteurization technology, which I eventually used for my product. This technology keeps the integrity of all the bioactive compounds in colostrum because it doesn't expose them to high heat. It's very expensive to do and it takes a long time, but you maintain the integrity of the raw ingredient. So this mimics a raw dairy product. And that is the thing. When soon as I had that test production run, I took this stuff and I put it in my body. And it saved my life for a few years. It bought me a lot of time with the issue that I was having. I wish I had it sooner. It would have saved my life. I ultimately ended up having

multiple surgeries. I had my entire colon removed last year. I had a long road with this, but if I had this sooner, I know it would have been even more beneficial. So as soon as I had this kind of proof of concept, I said, I have to get this into people's hands as quickly as possible. This is a natural food that has so much potential to help and heal issues that are so prevalent nowadays. and we need to get people access to it. So that's the origin of really where Armour kicked off. There was this huge white space in the market for a product that could be so helpful. And the way companies that even existed at the time,

they weren't producing a high integrity product that could be enjoyed. Okay, but here's what, just making it really digestible for me and for the audience, what exactly did this? product do when you ingested it to make such a difference? Like what it like it sounds like it seals all the barriers. Yeah. So seals the barriers. So for me, the most dramatic thing I noticed immediately. So again, at that point, I was in and out of the hospital. I wasn't able to, I was barely able to eat. And I had lost 30 pounds. My period had stopped. I mean, I was sick. I wasn't absorbing any nutrients. Within a month of starting this, my period came back.

Wow. Even though I was like at least 30 pounds underweight, my period came back. I told me my new, I was starting to absorb nutrients into my body. My body had been starved of. And I started to be able to eat. I could eat. I didn't need to be in a hospital. I could eat. I could tolerate food because this was never the food. It was my gut was so damaged. and the lining of my gut was so damaged that I wasn't able to tolerate food. So those were very dramatic, quick changes for me. And as soon as I started getting armor into other people's hands, I was hearing other stories about very dramatic benefits people were having with allergies or headaches, immune issues, autoimmune conditions. Well, this is something, Lauren, that I get

So normally Lauren comes on the show. He gets credit for this. And she brags about all the great things she does to change our lives and change a house. But I brought this in the house and I was joking with you offline. And people, we had this episode with Scarlet Trahanson. And I was like, listen, I got all this colostrum. And she was so confused.

And I was confused in the beginning too because I didn't, I don't remember how I found the brand. But I, a while back did all this blood work and everything seemed fine. But I had gut issues. I'm like, what can I? So it might have been, I might have been searching like, how do you heal the gut? The doctor, Dary will tell you about it? He might have told you.

It wasn't Dr. Daryl. I would give Dr. Daryl credit if he did. But anyways, I was trying to explain I'm taking this stuff. It's this colostrum and I'm not sick anymore and I feel good. And I'm so glad we just had you on or we're having you on because I was not able to articulate or to explain to anyone, including Lauren, why I was feeling a benefit or why I was taking this stuff. But I've been taking it now for, I don't know, six months every single day. I let you brag. I let you brag. And in my own defense, I use colostrum on my face at Perkins, which is my first. favorite. So I did know about colostrum. Let me ask you a question, though. Some people are going to say, okay, they understand the colostrum from the human produces, but when you go to an animal product or dairy,

what kind of crossover benefits do you see? Because obviously, there's one from the parent or the mother and one from the animal. Like, what is the correlation? And also, just really so I can understand, is this from a cow? Yes. Got it. So most of the research is actually done on bovine clostrum. cow clostrum, which has been used medicinally for its healing properties dating back to aerobatic medicine, thousands of years. Remember, that's a vegan culture. And they use bovine clostrum. They consider it a sacred food. It's not an animal or a plant. It gets this whole own category. And this is a very well-known across Indian culture. So we source exclusively from grass-fed cows here in the U.S., family-owned dairy farms. We have a co-ops that we partner with.

It's entirely sustainably sourced. Colostrum's really a strange, I'll say it's a strange food in how it's kind of categorized by the FDA. So it's not allowed to be sold into the milk industry. It has to be separated. That's just the way their regulation is. So colostrum is actually a waste product on farms because the, the mother cows produce about seven times more than the baby calves consume. So the rest, can't sell to milk. It's a waste product. It's either discarded or shipped to China.

What is China doing with it? They're on, they know the benefits. They're on the Colossum. They're on Clostrum. And it's repurposed for veterinary use. Humans are the only species that can survive past the infancy period without getting Clostrum. All other animals perish. So it's commonly used in the livestock industry, species to species. So instead, we buy the classroom from farmers. Only the waste supply, only the surplus. We upcycle it, and that's what we use to make. So it's sustainable because it's getting produced anyway and that's right. It's a, we just buy the waste from farmers. And the interesting thing about bovine classroom is it's very similar to human classroom, but not quite the same because there are differences in the human

placenta and the cow placenta. So certain things, pass the human placenta that don't pass in the cow placenta. And so Mother Nature has created cholesterol to kind of fill in the gaps of what doesn't get across the placenta. You instead ingest it through the milk. So one of the things that's really important for human physiology is an antibody called IGA. Everybody talks about this antibody IgG. IG is important in the bloodstream, but at the barrier surfaces of the body, IGA is king. And cow clostrum does not have a lot of IGA in it. Human clostrum does.

One of the things that's so special about Armour Cholostrum is we've been able to concentrate the IGA during this coltane pasteurization process such that we have the highest levels of IGA on the market. So we actually mimic what the human physiology what the human body needs with our product. Wow. This is like you kind of struck gold, I feel like. Well, listen, I developed this product to heal myself. It was developed with the utmost thought, consideration, and integrity every step of the way because this is what I used and continued to use for myself. When you say you had your whole colon removed, what does that mean?

mean? Does that mean that you don't have a colon? I don't have a colon. So what do you do? What is that? I don't even know like, did they make a colon? No. So I just have my small intestine that is connected to to the end. I had armacolostrum for my surgery, which means I did a protocol with armaclostrum before my surgery during my healing, healing the gut lining, healing those sutures, and after. And I had an eight-hour surgery. I left the hospital in less than 24 hours and I took nothing more than Tylenol. And how much colostrum are we talking when you had this? Like say like someone's getting surgery, what's the protocol? Well, you can just date, like the way I take this, I take a pretty big scoop. No, I want to know what she did for her surgery. I, I, what I did for my surgery personally,

I, I, I just increased slightly for my usual daily regimen. I usually take two to three servings a day. And I took like three to four. And the packets. Or I use this, I use this. I just scoop the unflavored directly in my mouth. And no water? No, no water. That's the best way to take it. And any colostrum product you see on the market that's sold in a pill is completely misguided and garbage. And we will never sell armor claustrum in a pill. Why? Because the way this works is to seal up the barriers. And, you know, we talk a lot about the gut barrier. The barriers everywhere. It's the entire inside lining of the body. Oh, my God. My stepmom needs this. If you put this in your mouth. Oh, my God. And you maximize contact directly with the mucosal surfaces of your mouth

and your throat and your upper esophagus in your stomach. You are enhancing benefits for your oral microbiome for your digestive tract. You're, you're seeping in all those bioactive in all the areas that need it. So I do it directly. So instead of me putting in the water and just take the scoop, put it directly in the mouth and just kind of... You can do it. You straight shoot it. Especially the unflavored. It gets sticky and kind of like taffy between your gums. It's good. What are some other health issues that you see people recovering from when they start implementing Coloschrom into their diet or into their routine? Well, as I said, so Armour Colostrum is sealing up all the barriers. You know, probiotics get a lot of press. And they're an

attempt to address the microbiome of the gut. The microbiome is only one layer of your barrier. There are four layers to you. Colostrum regenerates and strengthens all four layers. We're talking about the cellular architecture, the actual barrier lining of cells that this regenerates. Number two, it has whole food prebiotics that feed only the healthy population of bacteria. Colossum is really special. It has something called milk oligosaccharides on it, which is very specific prebiotic. Most prebiotics you buy in the market are just plant fibers. Milk oligococerides only feed the bifidose species of bacteria, the healthy ones. They starve the bad ones. So you actually shift your microbiome population, not just in your gut, on your

entire body, your scalp microbiome, your skin microbiome, your lungs, your gut, your urinary tract, the entire microbiome shifts. It has directly the immune cells like the IGA that line and patrol the barrier. 80% of your immune cells line the barrier. Colostrum replaces those and regenerates those. And it has the raw ingredients like sayalic acid for the mucus layer that lines all of our, all of our barriers. Our barriers have like mucus in them so that the microbiome can live and have a scaffold to hang on to. So this is like probiotic and prebiotic on steroids. It's like it's like a step change function from probiotics. It does everything probiotics claim to do plus actually works for all of the layers of the barrier at all barriers in the body. And so because of

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I show her this stuff. She's like, I don't know. I didn't say I don't know. I know all about colostrum. I just needed context around. Well, and speaking of Colossum, I think to your point, there are maybe some products out there that are not as savvy. No, not as maybe ethically source or not as quality in terms of their sourcing.

Like, I think you should talk about that because I'm sure there's people listening. They're like, hey, I've heard about Colossum before and there's some pushback. And maybe sharing some of what skeptical people might feel about the products. Yeah, I think one of the greatest concerns, which I share, is taking this living, nourishing food away from calves. And as I explained, the calves needs always come first. And I believe in the dignity and respect of all living creatures. We only take the surplus after calves are done feeding on these family farms. And so we upcycle the waste and use that to make farmer colostrum. So there's no stealing of colostrum from baby calves. And no animals are harmed in collecting colostrum. It's not like the collagen industry, which is, which is, you know,

an ingredient that is taken from, from animals that have perished. We don't, we don't, we don't, we don't do that. We're just part of the dairy industry and, and try to do it in a very ethical way, such that we're only taking what would otherwise be thrown out. And it sounds like maybe some of the other players in the space that have used pill form, like you don't agree that that's the right form in delivering this. It's a missed opportunity to get all the benefit. Yeah, that makes total sense. It doesn't seep into the bloodstream, too.

If you're putting it right on your tongue, two questions. First, can I give this to my kids in their electrolyte water? Absolutely. Okay. It is safe for infants up to 95-year-old women taking 17 different medications. It doesn't interact with anything. There are no side effects. I have lots of dairy intolerant customers who take it just fine for the reasons that we

discuss. It's a natural living food. It's not supplement that's been arbitrarily kind of, you know, isolated in a myopic way. And we're taking it into the body. We're taking a living whole food that's naturally a part of our diet. So if someone has sores, okay, let's talk about sores in their mouth, canker sores, cold sores, I'm even going to go like hemorrhoids. Yeah, I'm going to like all these different kinds of sore because this, this to me, what I'm really hearing is that it's really good to seal the

skin. So when I think about a sore, a sore is open or a cut. My friend just cut his finger open. Yeah. Is this really helpful when you have something on the skin wherever it is that's open? Totally. It's like that big frat Greek wedding, you know, spray windex on it. Anything that's wrong. the dad sprays windex. It's kind of like this with colostrum. It's really addresses everything. So it combats inflammation because it's sealing up the barriers and keeping the immune system at bay so the body can function as it's intended to function without being constantly in a state of overdrive by things coming in that shouldn't be. So calming inflammation automatically is going to help most of the issues that people struggle with. Blemishes, rashes on their skin, redness,

inflammation, hair loss, bloating, poor energy, unwanted weight gain, slowed down metabolism. All these issues are driven by inflammation. And then you have the direct benefit of regeneration of that barrier. So if you have a sore on the top of your skin, rub some on topically. I make a little paste, put it with water, rub it on topically. In your mouth for mouth sores, and stuff, there's actually a plethora of research on colostrum's use in a chemotherapy treatment for cancer patients because they have a breakdown of their mucosal barriers as part of treatments. And so gargling, mouthwash, ingesting colostrum is very good for healing those pathways because it's very painful, obviously, when you have sores in your mouth or along your

mucosa. Okay. So we've covered a lot of ground. I feel very good that I've been taking this now for as long as I've taken it. How many times are you going to hear about how you take it? My barriers are sealed and tight. What is the difference? And I was waiting to have you on.

I've been taking the immune revival, the powders, the different flavors. But now you have the performance revival. And I wanted to wait to try this until I got access to you because this is this is something you mentioned off air that you take in addition to what you're already doing. And do you take it when you're working out after you're working out before? How do you consume it? So the ingredient that's doing all the heavy lifting in all these products is Armora Colostrum. It is the core ingredient. And you get all of the benefits with Armra Colostrum, including, as we

talked about, the specific benefit with growth factors and peptides for accelerating lean muscle building and tissue recovery and repair. Performance Survival has the addition of three ingredients that specifically help amplify the effect of fitness, fitness performance and recovery. So organic cacao, tart cherry, organic tart cherry, and organic black cumin. And these are all very strong antioxidants. They are good for tissue recovery, repair, oxygenation of your cellular tissue. So this product is meant to be used with some kind of physical activity. We recommend taking it like half an hour before you start your physical.

It's a lot of the workout. It's going to help you fuel and power through the workout in addition to the recovery benefits afterwards. Okay. Amazing. What is the most amazing thing that you've seen happen in front of your eyes with this product? I am humbled every day by our customers. I read our every testimonial that comes through. I cry on a regular basis. I'm so overwhelmed by the experiences people have. Partly because I, I can so personally relate to so many of the stories that I read and what people are willing to share with me. And it speaks to the power of the product and so much of what is happening internally. But when it comes to skin and hair benefits, which is something you can visualize,

something you can see externally, the pictures that are shared with me, particularly around hair growth and people sharing pictures of them with a full head of white hair. And then three months later, they have thick brown roots growing in that have stunned their hairdresser. And they've, they've stopped highlighting their hair. They don't need to anymore. It is such a dramatic witness to all of the changes that are happening on the inside of the body. You can appreciate with these changes that you can visualize on the outside of the body. So I love the before after testimonials photos. Is there anyone who cannot take colostrum?

So Armour Colostrum does contain lactose, though it's a small amount. You see how small the serving sizes. A serving is only a gram. It's half a teaspoon. So I have a lot of lactose intolerant customers who take Armoura just fine. But I would say if someone is exquisitely sensitive to lactose, they should probably take a lactase enzyme with it or opt out. But I really don't hear of that often. That's theoretically someone who shouldn't take it.

Is there other things that you have done in your wellness routine along with adding colostrum that you feel has helped you heal from all the things that you've gone through? Microdosing with psilocybin? Cool. Tell us about that. I was not expecting that answer, but I'm all for it. And macro dosing. Well, if someone knows the brain, look, that's amazing. I want to hear more about that from someone who knows the brain so well.

But I think as we were speaking about earlier, there's a physical manifestation of pain and it's so often informed by so much of the environment that you're in and so much emotionality and suffering is certainly impacted on a spiritual level. an emotional level, it changes your genes, it changes your cellular functioning. And so I think the introduction of psilocybin is part of my spiritual practice and my daily practice of gratitude and relationship with myself has really been instrumental in helping shift a lot of my perspective to what has happened for me in life. Yeah. That's really interesting to me that you do that and now you're called to move to Miami,

which is a little bit more in nature. It's less concrete jungle. That makes a lot of sense. I also think for people that find spirituality somewhat challenging or resistant to it, I think like for me personally doing those kind of things has helped me look at things. Maybe, you know, I think if you look at a picture from a linear perspective this way, it just kind of helps you look at things from a different angle. Yeah.

I've a very scientific brain. I'm also very creative. and I appreciate open-mindedness and making sure that I don't root myself in dogmatic approaches to anyone, anyone modality. When you microdose, just out of curiosity, because you do know the brain so well, is it something that you do on your own? Is it with people? Is it with a doctor? How do you microdose? So for me, plant medicine is very personal. It's not something I've ever done in a group upsetting or participate in others with. It's very much an opportunity just to tune in with myself. So it's something I do on my own. Just at home. And do you change the dosage or is it always like a

small dosage? Is it something you do like all the time? I adjust it slightly depending on what's going on in my life. For macro dosing, I work with a shaman. It's different. But microdosing really doesn't have any doesn't cause any psychedelic changes. It really just deepens kind of your presence. So your focus, your gratitude, your compassion in day-to-day work. I think I think, listen, I'm not an expert, but from experience, I think a mistake some people make is they do this stuff recreationally to party with a group of people. It's a different experience. Yeah. And I'm not saying that like, listen to each his own, but I think that potentially diminishes, what you can potentially get from it if you do it the way you're talking about it.

Because if you're just doing it to let loose and party, I think you're missing something from it. The intentionality and the container that you create for yourself during these experiences really shapes what you get out of it. Well, listen, I'm glad you brought so much of so many boxes of this because I had my stash in the house and now Lord knows. And she's going to take all my stuff. me that you just open the, you open the tub and you pour it in your throat. I'm doing that every single morning. Yeah. He's got your own tub now. It's the best way. You just made me a customer for life. I, you know, I get the opportunity to see so many different products with what I do and try so many different things. And there are so many different supplements available. But after talking to you,

everything you said makes so much sense. And this is something that I would give my kids. I'm going to start it today in their cookie water. I give them electrolyte water with cookie water and I'm going to put a scoop of this in. But I think that for me, like this will be in my routine forever. If I were to start with one, you guys, it's between two. I would start with the vine watermelon. If you want something that is just, it's not too sweet. It's like the perfect sweet. It's absolutely delicious. I tried it today. It's the little packets. But I kind of now, after you told me you pour it down your throat. Well, the unflavored is nice because you can do, I mean, you could use it with anything. So I think I'm going to recommend the unflavored. It's really pretty tasteless. Has a subtle like a

milk dud. Yeah, I don't mind it at all. Which is great, like a dry scoop in your mouth. It's great. I would also put this. I don't know if you're going to tell me they counteract, but I would put a scoop of this with my creatine and my amino. Is that, can you mix it with other things? I mix it all the time, but I'm going to start doing it. Soll. And the packaging is so beautiful. I think that what you're onto is so genius and smart and it's such a smart category I told you off air. We're going to give away a basket of Sarah's Armra. All you have to do is follow at Try Armra on Instagram and tell us your most favorite takeaway of this episode on my latest post at Lauren Bostic. There's so many takeaways in this episode. I don't even know where to begin. You guys can use

Code Skinny for 15% off. I would start with the unflavored, but also that Vine Watermelon. is so good. Sarah, thank you for coming on. Thank you for having me. That was amazing. Thank you.