The Bossticks - Dr. Shannon Ritchey - The Perfect Workout Plan, Body Composition, Weightlifting When Pregnant, Health Myths & More!

Episode Date: September 27, 2024

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Get ready for some major realness. Welcome to the skinny confidential, him and her. I've had quite the experience postpartum. For me, pregnancy was amazing. I felt the strongest I've ever felt. I trained five days a week. I felt incredible. Postpartum was different.

That took honestly months for me. And to be honest, I wasn't as consistent as I was when I was pregnant. So could I progress faster if I was more consistent? Probably. But again, I was really adjusting to the new lifestyle change, which I think just isn't talked about enough. I think there's a lot of women that are like, they hit the ground running. And then postpartum, they hurt themselves.

They've got pelvic floor instability that they're not addressing. and they're just pushing through it because they want to try to like snap their body back, quote unquote, and they end up hurting themselves and causing, causing more damage that they then have to address later. Dr. Shannon is back on the show. You all loved her so much that we harassed her to come back. You guys, if you've not listened to the first episode she was on,

I'm sure a lot of you have, but if you haven't, you will learn all about muscle growth, fat loss, creatine, resistance training. I am someone who is so passionate, about weightlifting, it's absolutely changed my life. I cannot say enough good things. The way I feel in genes after two children is 10 times better than I felt before children, thanks to weightlifting. And we really go into my experience and her experience in this episode and we learn about how to lose fat, build muscle, and all the tips and tricks to strength training and eating healthy. On that note,

let's welcome Dr. Shannon, the founder of Evel Fitness to the show. This is the skinny confidential, him and her. People loved you the first time you came on. They like went wild for you. And it makes sense we were talking off air how it's super authentic. I'm such a fan of weightlifting. It's changed my body. Yeah.

You obviously are. Your team is. And I know the last time we saw you, you've had a pregnancy. I'm going to look up the date. Yes. Actually, when I was here, I was early, early pregnant. And I didn't know. So it's funny.

Yeah. I was early, early pregnant. So a lot has changed in my life. So I moved back to Austin. So we're here in Austin now. I was in L.A. when I recorded, I only recorded like a year ago. I just looked at the date on July of 23. So yeah. July of 23. Yeah. Yeah. So I was like two weeks pregnant. That's so crazy that it was a year ago. It feels longer to me. I don't know if it's because we've been in the studio. I think a lot has changed for you guys too. I mean, we were in your temporary studio in the first one. Okay. And you guys had just got back from like a crazy Italy trip. I remember that. Okay. And now you're in your beautiful studio now. I get to record here. I feel like I can like lay down on this

couch. You can lay down on the couch if you want. You can start lifting whatever you want to do in here. Okay. So were you able to weight lift throughout your entire pregnancy the way that you had envisioned? Because you've never, you never had a baby before. Right. I did not know what to expect. And you hear horror stories about pregnancy. And there are, there's a spectrum of experiences that people going to have in pregnancy, obviously. I felt, I was very lucky. I felt incredible throughout my pregnancy. I feel the strongest I ever was when I was pregnant. Like, I was lifting heavier than I've ever lifted. I think I built muscle during pregnancy, which is something we can talk about. I think women are encouraged to do less and be gentle on their bodies during pregnancy and not set fitness goals. And I understand that recommendation. I think that, you know, medical practitioners are, they would rather be conservative because they don't want pregnant women to hurt themselves. But I think that we can empower pregnant women that they can get stronger.

They can continue to lift weights. They can continue to even build muscle during pregnancy. But it doesn't need to be all out super intense. It doesn't need to, you know, consume your life. It doesn't need to be like, I think women picture like, you know, heavy barbells at a gym and like grunting. It doesn't need to be like that. It can be gentle on your body and still effective if you're doing it right. So yeah, I feel I was the strongest I've ever been when I was pregnant.

I lifted throughout my second pregnancy the whole time. And I lifted heavy. The first one that I didn't lift in was a fucking nightmare to recover from. And the recovery was so different in my second pregnancy. Well, okay, so you lifted the second one, but not the first. What did you do the first one? The first one I did Pilates every day because I was in that era where I was like, oh, Pilates. A lot of smoothies.

A lot of lounging around. A lot of eating crispy cream donuts in the car. What do you call it rotting? No, I don't rock. I'm marinate. I'm marinate. I don't rot. I was going to say. I can't see you rotting. I was sorry. I don't rotting. No, no, no. There's no rotting. I'm not a rotter. Don't. Don't put that on her. I'm just not a rotter. You can't. I'm a marinerator. I'm a marinerator. Last night I was in bed watching the secret lives of Mormon girls. I think that's what it's called with my sheet mask on, ice rolling my face, drinking my magnesium water with red light on my neck. So I don't rot. I'm narrating. That is not rotting. I would not consider that rotting.

I feel like rotting is you're sitting on the couch. You're eating cookies. there's like crumbs on your chest and you're like scrolling social media. But that's what you were doing the first time. No, I wasn't scrolling social media. I was wearing a mask. You were a little Roddy the first time. A little Roddy. I feel like you're Roddy.

But I feel like so many women do that in their pregnancy. They go the gentle Pilates route. And I think that, you know, all of this, by the way, before I get into any of this, I feel like it's important to say you got to listen to your doctor. All of this has to be approved by your medical provider. But some pregnancies are more complicated than others. I think a lot of women are like, okay, I'm going to pull it back. I'm not going to load my muscles. I'm not going to challenge my muscles at all. I'm going to be gentle, which is great. But I think what happens for a lot of women, you couldn't speak to this, I think, they spend that nine months kind of losing muscle because they're not loading their muscles at all. And because they think they need to pull back. And then when they get postpartum and, you know, you obviously have to rest postpartum. You need to recover. You're going to lose muscle during that state as well, which is absolutely normal and to be expected. But when they finally get their feet under them postpartum a few months later and they're like, okay, I want to improve my body

composition. It's a lot harder to do that because you've spent nine months during pregnancy, potentially losing muscle, postpartum, then losing more muscle. So you're starting from zero. Instead, I recommend using pregnancy to try to build muscle or at least maintain muscle or at least apply the principles of hypertrophy, which we can talk about so that in the very least you're maintaining what you have so that when you get out, you're ready to go again. You're not starting from It would make sense, though, that you would want to build muscle when you're pregnant and caring for me what was a nine and a half pound baby. Yeah.

I mean, there's a big fucking baby. There's a huge. I need to, like, support what was going on in there. And I think if you had told me don't build muscle, that would have, like you said, been more overwhelming postpart. It's like, it's so strange. It's like, oh, listen, I'm not going to comment on the pregnancy thing. I just don't need that.

But you are. You're about. I'm not. It's so strange to me, though, when I hear women just. to find the idea that like it sounds like a good idea to build muscle. Like you're not going to meet any guy that's like it's a bad idea to build muscle. Never. Never. They're taught from an early age, middle school. It's always a strange thing to me when I hear these topics as I'm a man on the show and they're like, yeah, I like think I might want like I've never encountered

anybody that's like I don't think it's a good idea for me to build muscle. It's always a good idea to build muscle in any stage of life in mind. It's always a good idea. No matter what age you are, no matter what stage of life you're in. And listen, there's going to be stages of life where maybe you can hit it harder than others, and that's normal. But if you're constantly trying to build at least a little bit of muscle every single year, if you're like, especially after 30 when we start to lose it, if you're slowly trying to build a little bit of muscle each year, then when you have those stages in your life where you're postpartum and you need to rest and recover, you have a bank of muscle built up. So you're not starting from zero. Sure. Well, I take another topic I hear is like,

you know, doing the show is like there's a lot of discussion around weight loss and weight management, in particular with women on the show. And I was like, well, again, like being the manner, like if you want to do that in an easier way, you would build muscle because that will help you manage the body composition and the weight more. What are the misconceptions, Shannon, that you're seeing on social media about weightlifting besides the obvious people think that they're going to bulk up? And by the way, people should go back and listen to your first episode if they haven't. Just search Dr. Shannon's skinny confidential because it's, it was, you crushed it.

Thank you. Yeah. I think we talked a lot about the why in that episode. I think it'd be cool in this episode to talk more about like the how and like please yeah so there's a lot of misconceptions circling around the internet right now I think there's kind of two camps one camp that's like you have to lift super heavy and you have to do heavy deadlifts and squats that absolutely works however that's not the only way to build muscle and it scares a lot of women away because they're like I don't want to do that or I have no desire to do that it just doesn't seem like something I would enjoy and then there's the other side of things where it's like you don't need that. You can use your body weight. You can just use bands and you can just do, you know, arm circles forever and ever and it burns. So it must

be building muscle. There's what the science shows currently is that you can use anywhere from six to 30 reps. So use a weight that feels challenging for either six reps all the way up to 30 reps. And as long as you're getting close to muscular failure, that will be effective for building muscle. muscular failure is when you can't complete another rep with good form. So you show you don't have to get all the weight of failure, but you want to get close. You want to get a few reps shy of failure. So what that looks like is not the burn, it's not the shake, it's not the sweat, it's not the calories. What it looks like and what it feels like is that your velocity slows down.

So let's say you're doing a bicep curl. You're going, you're going, you're feeling good. And then your last few reps start to slow down. You can't lift the weight with the same amount of speed that you could in your first couple of reps. It's not that you're going fast, but just that your muscles are fatiguing that much that they can't produce an amount of force to lift the muscle quickly. So you can use relatively lighter weight for higher reps all the way up to 30 reps. Studies show that anything above 30 reps isn't very effective for building muscle. Or you can use relatively heavier weights for less reps, something like six reps.

But with work, I think that my kind of goal in all of this is to educate women kind of meet them where they're at and say, okay, you don't like training like that. Let's do a little higher rep, a little lighter weight, but you're still lifting to a point that you're getting close to that failure point. That was one of the better explanations I've ever heard someone described when it comes to lifting weights. I really think that because I think sometimes we have these guys on the show and I try to like, you'll hear me say out like lame it like go back to base

and assume somebody's never been in the gym. Yeah. And they, when you say, oh, you lift these weights and you do reps and you go to failure and people are like, what the hell does that mean? Yeah, exactly. Why does weightlifting change your body composition? Well, first off. And how? Like you said, the how.

Yes. So first off, even if you don't, let's say fat loss, fat stays constant. If you don't lose any fat, but you build muscle, you now weigh more. And the percentage of lean mass to fat mass is now higher. So you have more lean mass. So your body composition has improved, even if you don't lose any fat at all. However, I did a whole podcast about this, but muscle kind of indirectly affects leanness because of glucose storage and glucose usage. So what happens is when you train your muscles close to failure and those last couple reps are really a challenge, you know, your heart rate increases, your breathing heavier, your velocity slows down, your pace slows down, your body taps into these little storage sites in your muscles that stores. glucose. And so your body pulls out the glucose from your muscle to use to power that movement.

And what this does is that it empties those glucose sites in your muscles. So the next time you eat, the next time you eat sugar or carbs or really anything, the sugar from your food can now be stored in your muscles rather than be stored as fat. So that's one thing is strength, that's what strength training can do. And then the second thing is adding more muscle to your body, you now have more available storage sites for glucose. So most people are like, well, strength training doesn't burn that many calories. Strength training doesn't really, my heart rate isn't up. It doesn't feel like quote unquote hard enough.

It's less about the burning calories during the session and more about how you are changing kind of the internal machinery of your body that affects leanness ultimately. I also notice, and you could speak more eloquently on this, that it did something to my insulin resistance. Like I felt like I had insulin resistance and now I don't. Is that weird? Well, that's yes. And do you feel like you crave things less? Like what do you feel? Completely different. Yeah. It's like it's such a different, it almost feels like I've lived in a different body. Yeah. It's like I feel like I had insulin resistance and now I don't. That's how it's like a switch. Yes. And this is because of the same mechanism. So basically when you have less circulating glucose in your bloodstream,

because that glucose has places to go, i.e. being stored in the muscle, insulin drops. So when insulin, when blood sugar is low, insulin is low. So because your strength training and building muscle, your blood sugar is probably lower on average, and that will improve your insulin sensitivity. Because blood sugar and insulin are kind of like, as blood sugar rises, insulin also rises. When you have a lot of blood sugar circulating in your bloodstream, you start to become insulin resistant versus when you have less overall blood sugar circulating in your bloodstream, you get insulin sensitive. I don't know if that's making, is this making sense? It makes full sense. No, but it's like even like you used to say to me all the time, like, oh, you don't care

about food. It's not that I don't care about food. I love good food, but I don't have these kind of like random crazy cravings all the time. And I think if you notice, if you start, you could have told me to wait lift then. I would have been really appreciative. If you would have told me while I was, not everybody knows this though. He didn't know. He talks about this all the time. He didn't know that women should be weightlifting. No, this has been a big thing. But I think like if you're somebody that struggled with dieting or being satiated or eating kind of like crappy foods, if you just experiment by adding muscle like this,

you'll see a lot of those cravings start to diminish and go away. Yes. And I think that's like a secret. A lot of people don't realize that's like that's an added benefit of doing this kind of exercise. So if someone is just using bands and body weight and doing arm circles, like you said, what are they going to see out of that? Some endurance.

So I try not to say it's totally worthless. You can improve your muscular endurance, but your posture. Sometimes. If you're going back. Yeah. It's getting you out of this, which is good. I always say posture is a function of your environment. So if you're in the same place over and over and then you go and do a workout for 20 minutes,

but then you come back to this, your posture probably isn't going to improve significantly. It's a function of environment. I get out of this fucking chair learned. I know. As I'm saying that I'm like, I need to say, I'm going to get out of here. Yeah. But so this high rep training, it burns. And the misconception is that it's burning fat or that it's building muscle. And neither of those things are really happening. It's just a buildup of hydrogen ions and the

muscle that gives you that uncomfortable burning sensation. What is it doing physically for your body? Probably not much. It's certainly not spot treating fat. It's probably not maybe building like a tiny bit of muscle, but not a significant amount of muscle. Most studies show that that really high rep training just isn't very effective for building muscle. So when I was doing Pilates, five days a week, six days a week, what was I doing? Moving your body.

You have the answer, Lauren, because you do. That's the same answer. Yeah. I had somebody come in the other day. Listen, I love Pilates. I do it twice a week for posture and for deep core, like deep core, but like I'm not like relying on it to lose weight. Yeah.

I like it. Well, do you feel like it changed your body? No, and I did it for, I did it forever. And I think, listen, if you want my real opinion that I say off air, I think, let me say how I'm going to say this. I think a lot of people who are constantly pushing Pilates and are showing their body that it's all thanks to Pilates are genetically naturally thin. Yeah. And which is great. But I'm a curvy person.

Like I am someone who has curves. And so to just do Pilates was not working for. me and weightlifting the second I implemented it, you know, maybe not the second, but like six months in, I was like, holy fuck, this is a totally, this is playing like a different, it's a different sport. Yes. But there's like places for, so like I recently got really into tennis and I think tennis is great. But I used to be with this guy.

He's like, oh, my workout is tennis. And I said, listen, like, I love playing tennis. It's great. It's fun. But that can't be the only thing. Like, it's not going to be the, and so I look at Pilates or yoga. It's like, it's fine if you at running, whatever. may be, but if you think that that's going to get you all of the body composition results

you're looking for, like that, it's like me saying tennis is going to get me big muscles. It's just, it's not realistic. I love that you guys are like, we're not saying it's bad. We do it sometimes. Yeah, right. I love that. I think it's important for people to be educated about what it is or isn't doing it for your body. There are outliers to all of this, right?

When we look at the literature, we're looking at averages. But there are outliers. There are people who can do Pilates and they can get away with it and they can build muscle from doing Pilates. But they're the outliers. They're more of the exception rather than the rule. And also, like you said, I think a lot of times Pilates people tend to be a little leaner. We're also not looking at what they're eating, which is a huge impact to what your body looks like physically. So I think that was important to know.

So, okay, I'll give you a weird example. When I used to be an advertising, we had an agency, I was like doing all that stuff. We used to do the split testing. All the media buyers are going to be excited about this. Everyone else is what you talk about. So split test is like you do one ad and you do that for one product and you do a different ad for the same product. Yeah, like A, B testing.

Yeah. Or like you'd create one landing page and another landing page. You'd be trying to sell the same thing, but completely different sales funnels and different things. And you would A, B, test, split tests, right? These things. And in your life, you now have a split test. You had one period of time where you just did those kind of workouts and ate mostly

plant base. And now you have a new type of life where you do this kind of workout and eat mostly be carnivore and you can compare both the two without having to comment and you can all you have to do is just go and see the results you're getting to understand the difference. It sounds like you comparing me to your ex-girlfriends. It's like you did a split testing. I split tests. I do a lot of split tests when it comes to. And all you have to do is just sit in our life and think how lucky you are. I don't think you need to convince the audience or someone that's not open to being convinced. I think you can just, it's very like in our world, if we were presenting to a brand, we would

just say like here's the data you decide which is better you know what I'm saying well yeah and I had the same exact experience of eating I used to I was vegan for a short amount of time and I'm not educated on nutrition so I don't I'm not here to comment on that but but that's how I was eating I was doing mostly cardio and I was small but no muscle and my body composition was completely different so I'm I'm exact same case study as you The gene test is really the best test. If you, if you, if jeans, yes. The jeans test.

Yes. That's because I used to be. Like physical like pants jeans. I used to be the same weight that I am now and put on jeans and be like, why do I look like a stuffed sausage? And now I put on jeans all the time. And I'm like, it looks completely different. It just lays different. And it's the body composition situation.

What do you think of Dexas scans? I just got one. I, yeah. I just finished breastfeeding. So I got one. And I'm a fan of Dexas scans. I think it's a really good place for you to kind of objectively see your body composition and see how much fat mass to muscle mass you have. There's a company body spec.

They are out of Austin. And I think they're like $40 to go and get one. There's three people who are listening. There's someone who's beginner, intermediate, and advanced with weightlifting. Love this. Okay. So what are you sort of prescribing for each layer? Yes.

So what's great about this is that most of these beginner and intermediate advanced people can do similar routines. However, their weight is going to be different. The beginner person is going to use less weight than the advanced person because with progressive overload, you're lifting heavier as you get stronger. If we want to get into the details of like what your routine should look like to kind of, if your goal is building muscle, which I believe everyone should try to build muscle, there's some important thing. So I had this framework that's called the reps framework, and it helps people kind of remember what's important in your routine. And you can kind of forget all the rest if you just focus on these things. So reps, the R is repetitions. So again, like we talked about, getting close to failure in each set, between that six and 30 reps, doesn't matter where along that spectrum you are,

as long as you're getting close to failure in each set. So let's say you're doing three sets of lunges for your glutes. You want to get close to failure in every single set. It doesn't matter if you pick a weight where you can do six reps and you get close to failure or pick a weight that's a little lighter and you go 25 reps and you get close to failure. Cool. So reps. That's the first one. The second one is the E is exercise selection. So choosing exercises that are loading one muscle group primarily at a time. I think one of the things that I see on social media a lot is these kind of like combination moves like you're doing a side lunge in a row at the same time and there's just a lot going on. And so what happens is you end up. stopping that exercise because you're you're gassed so you're just like tired cardio your cardiovascular system might stop you or maybe you're like you got to an arbitrary amount of reps but you didn't actually get close to failure or maybe you're stopped because your neck feels a little uncomfortable or your back's feeling uncomfortable from being hinged over or whatever

or you're working upper and lower at the same time your upper body fatigues faster than your lower body so the lower body portion of that was more or less useless so exercise selection is important. I like to choose exercises that are really simple and just focusing on one kind of muscle group at a time. So just focus on your glutes. Step ups, Bulgarian split squats, things like that. I like to do the same. I agree with you. One muscle group at a time. Don't try to do a bicep curl while you're also. It's not fucking circda. Like we don't need to hang from the ceiling and like, it's just like, just let's keep it simple. You know what I mean? I see people online like with their literally. I know, I know.

And people are like, well, this is more effective because it's harder. It feels harder. But just because something feels harder doesn't mean it's more effective because what matters is the stimulus to the muscle. Okay. It doesn't matter how tired you are, how many calories you burn, sweat, da-da-da-da-da. What matters is that you get close to failure in the muscle that you're targeting. Okay. So that's exercise selection.

And then we have protein, which we've talked about in the last episode. But our dietitians recommend 0.75 to 1 gram of protein per pound of body weight. per day. It seems like it's hard to do. And for some, it is hard. I recommend, or at least I have tracked in the past because I had no clue where I was on that spectrum. I was like, am I eating 60 grams? Am I eating 100 grams? I have no idea. So I tracked. I found out I was eating very little protein. Do you use an apt to track? Yes. I use, what's it called? Chromometer. Chromometer. And it's cool because it, have you heard of it? It's cool because it also shows you the micronutrients. So you can kind of see like where are my omega-3s, where like-you-just like it.

You're just like, if you have a steak, you put that or if you have an apple, and it tells you everything that's in or typically in that sort of thing. Yep, it breaks down, yep, it breaks down all of the micro-macronutrients of each food. Chronomator, yeah, you have to put in. I like it for the vitamin aspect. Yes, I think you would like it. It's really, yeah. It's my fitness pal works too, but my fitness pal isn't as granular as chronometer.

I think you guys would like chronometer. And I started using chronometer because when I was pregnant, I wanted to make sure I was getting all the micronutrients and things like that. But I've just kept using it. But protein, that's. And then the last one of the reps framework. So we did repetitions, exercise selection, protein, and then structure. This is something that I think so many people lack and something that I think you guys are really good at. I think so many people are just saving random Instagram workouts and like doing whatever.

Like, you know, Monday they're working like glutes and abs. And then Tuesday they're working glutes and abs. And then Wednesday, it's just random. So having a structure of, okay, I'm working each of my muscle groups one to two times per week on non-consecutive days. So there's room for recovery. And then I like to recommend taking recovery days where you're not really loading your muscles significantly because if you're overusing your body, you won't actually see the benefits and the results. We're going to talk about that. Don't worry, Michael.

I saw him whip his head around so fast. Look at you. Before you go. Don't forget to come back to this one. Michael, before we get into that and put a pen in that, I want you to mention what you were saying about your protein. So you tracked your protein and you said you weren't getting enough. Yeah. So how much were you getting and how did you get the rest of it?

How did you change? I was getting 60 grams, which is half the amount of what I should be getting. And I wasn't building muscle at that point. I was strength. So this is crazy. It's so hard to eat more. It is. But this is wild.

I was strength training and doing the exact same routine. and not really seeing results. And I just changed my nutrition and my body composition completely changed. So what did you add? One of my questions for you is why do you think people don't see results? I think that's, I think nutrition. I think a lot of people put too much emphasis on their workouts to like burn calories or burn fat.

And that exercise is very, is really burning very, very little fat. It's all about. So how did you add more protein? Give me a couple of ways. Okay. So I do a lot of protein powder. Wait, but quickly. What was the six?

grams of protein? Like what did that look like in a normal day? Like what was the source? Because I want, just to give context of like people might think that they're eating a lot and they might be in your situation where they're not. Yeah. What was I eating? I don't even remember. This was years ago. I think I was eating like, I think I was quote unquote eating clean, but lots of like lots of like rice and avocado and I would make these like salmon patties all the time. But I wasn't eating a lot of, I wasn't eating a whole lot of meat. So the salmon was the only source of really the protein. Yeah, yeah.

And that was getting me to the 60 grams, which so it wasn't nothing. And I was eating clean, but I was also eating in a calorie surplus unknowingly because I wasn't tracking and I just had no clue about what I was putting in my body. I also wasn't eating any dairy because I had heard it's inflammatory. And then I added dairy back in and I feel great doing dairy. And it's great. And it's a great source of protein. And my body handles it well. So I'm like, I added it back in.

And that's really helped. So I do like Greek yogurt. I'll mix in protein powder with my Greek yogurt. I do a lot of cottage cheese. I swear. I've been eating cottage cheese though before it was like cool and trendy. Like I feel like it's everywhere. Is it cool and trendy? I don't know. I feel like I see it in like every recipe now to like increase the protein. I can't do the cottage cheese. I can't do the cottage cheese. I can't do. Let her say the guacamole. I can't do it. This is a hilarious story. So in high school I could do almost anything, but I can't do the guacamole cheese. Okay. I got to tell you my guacamole recipe. you Midwest women will know this. It was like a fast casual Mexican place. So it was a server there. And they would put cottage cheese in their guacamole to like bulk up the guacamole. But it's actually so good. So it's avocado, guacamole, lime, a little garlic, a little salt, little cilantro.

You can put onion in there if you want. And then you put it on tacos or bowls or whatever. And then you get the fats from the avocado and then you also get higher protein. If I walk in the kitchen and see you whipping out cottage cheese to make guacamole, I, I'm going to be over the edge. I didn't know. How do you eat cottage cheese? Like, what do you do it in pancakes? You can eat it in pancakes. You can't cook it in pancakes. You can't eat it in pancakes. You can't eat it in pancakes. You can't do it in pancakes. You can't do the raw cottage cheese. You can't do honey. It's going to take a lot of honey. You can mix protein powder in there and put berries on top. I could do your smoothie. Put it in your smoothie. It's extra protein. But yogurt is also, I think, very similar macro profile. So if you like Greek yogurt. Yeah, I could do the sheep milk yogurt. Okay. So go back to what you're eating. I can't hear about your cottage. cheese version. I don't know you're eating a lot of cottage cheese. I don't know if I can do you eating a lot of cottage cheese. I think it like can make people gag. I bet you have a lot of listeners that are like turning this off right now. This is a bit of a B split test situation where I don't know if I want the

cottage cheese version. I also like Greek yogurt. There's something about the cheese. I like the texture, but a lot of people don't. So yeah, I do a lot of Greek yogurt. I do a lot of cottage cheese. I do a lot of, I talked about my sardine salad recipe last time, still going strong on that. I swear, I did sardine salad like four times a week when I was pregnant. Yeah. And I have to like, I know this is very detailed, but. Wild caught, boneless, skinless. You have to get, what's the brand? What's the brand? I'm looking at me. Is it the one that comes in the circle? No, it's Costco. Yeah. Costco just keeps winning. They just, no, I've tried different ones. I've tried like the sprouts ones. No, I like the Costco ones the best. And I do. Costco.

I do sardines, Greek yogurt. So there's a ton of protein right there from the sardines with the Greek yogurt, apple, celery, artichokes, and pecans. You talked about that on the last podcast. We did do a blog post on that. Okay, keep going with what you eat. Everyone wants to know. That's like four times a week. That's like almost every day. I do. And then for dinner, I do like we grill a lot. So we'll do like chicken or steak or tacos or I'm not someone that like I'll eat everything. Like I eat. bread. I eat tortillas. I eat like. That's how I am. I'm notical. People think I'm a carnivore online. I'm like, I eat a lot of meat. But you started to put a bigger emphasis on the protein to crowd the other stuff out. Yeah, exactly.

The red meat really helps. You are like inspiring me to eat more red meat. I, you know what I ate before this? A bowl this big with red meat with raw cheese, raw honey on top of it with a little bit of sioux in it. It's fucking amazing. And you, I'm so full. It's been how many hours has it been. It's been five hours since I've had it. And I swear it grows your hair. It's just like ground beef. It's just, no, it's force of nature ancestral blend. So you get the liver. That's what I think grows the hair. You know, the one, the one thing that I feel guilty about is she says, why didn't she wait, live? Why do this? I think that there was this

thing that went on for a long time where guys just figured out, like they had different diets than women. Yeah. Meaning like, we're just like, oh yeah, women don't eat these things. Women shouldn't eat red meat. Women shouldn't weight lift. Or women don't weightlift. Like men like like like stakes more than women do usually typically. Yeah. And I just, I met where she was like, why didn't you tell me to do these things or weight lift? And I think back to that time and I'm like, oh, I just thought like this is.

You could make it up to me in jewelry? No, but I just, do you get what I'm saying? I just thought that this is like something that women. I'll find ways. Like you just typically like you just wouldn't think that women do a lot of this. I know that sounds really stupid, but it was just a thing which is like, I do this kind of workout and eat this kind of way. And you do these kind of workouts and you eat this kind of way. Yeah.

And I know. women and men are obviously very different, but there's some things like we can train very similarly and we can eat very similarly. I don't think that we need to be so split on things. And a lot of, a lot of the reasons we train and eat certain ways as women is because of culture. And it's because of advertising, like you're saying. It's not, it's not because there's, it's better. It's just because that's what we're conditioned to do. So what are you doing specifically now that you have had a baby when it comes to working out. Has it changed or is it the same? It's the same. So what's great about weightlifting is that you can, in strength training, is you can dial it up or dial it back. I've had quite the experience

postpartum. For me, pregnancy was amazing. I felt the strongest I've ever felt. I trained five days a week. I felt incredible. Postpartum was different. I struggled to recover for like four weeks. I just like wasn't healing and it was just taking time. And then also you guys know, it rocks your world. Like you now have this little baby that's like you're not getting any sleep and like my family was constantly over. It was just wild. So it took me a while. I started training again at six weeks when I was approved by my doctor. And it took me a while to kind of ease back in to lifting the same amount of weights that I was. That took honestly months for me. And to be honest, I wasn't as consistent as I was when I was pregnant. So could I progress faster if I was more consistent? Probably. But again, I was really adjusting to

the new lifestyle change, which I think just isn't talked about enough. I think there's a lot of women that are like, they hit the ground running. And then postpartum, they hurt themselves. They've got pelvic floor instability that they're not addressing and they're just pushing through it because they want to try to like snap their body back, quote unquote, and they end up hurting themselves and causing, causing more damage that they then have to address later. So I really eased in. I feel like I'm finally, I'm almost six months postpartum. I feel like I'm finally in a place where I'm feeling so much stronger. I'm pretty much back to what I was lifting before a baby.

But it took time. I mean, six months. I think it's amazing that you look like this six months postpartum, but that's a tribute, in my opinion, to protein and weights. Yeah, I would say that. I would say that it's a lot of how I trained when I was pregnant. I mean, I was like rolling down the road, like the nutty professor. Well, it's so common.

I mean, again, again, I think women are just like, I didn't know I married this. I didn't say. I don't put this. Wait, stop. I never said any of that. I never said it. There was an undertone.

I never did. There's no undertone. Yeah, there was. I was stone face. I was there the whole time. You were stone face, but it was like, right in it. Also, I feel like postpartum, like changes men too. Like, they, they just like appreciate you so much more after you have a baby.

They're like, you are a God. Like, really? Is that what you think? Yeah. Yeah, sure. No. Well, in a narcissistic kind of way, it's like, Well, it's like, hey, you just helped me, like, kind of almost recreate myself.

Yeah. But then also at the same time, no, I think, like, any man that goes through that experience and watches that, like, you can't come away with anything other than that. It's just, like, it's so wild. I mean, like, I would not happen. I, like, immediately started crying when I'm, like, I'm not a big crier. Really? No, right?

I'm not, like, a big crier. Are you going to cry right now? Thinking about it? I'm passing now. Okay. Isn't it, like, the best moment? I feel like it is the best craziest moments of my life. loved giving birth.

And I cried, hold on, but I cried both times, which was the first time I was like, okay, that was, then the second time, I'll like, I'll be fine because of the, that's what everybody says. Everyone's like, the second time is just as, it hits you just as hard. It was wild. Three days after I gave birth, he's like, what's wrong with you? I'm fucking getting me. You did it.

Yes, he did. First time. What's wrong with me? Okay, first, you have to take, anytime Lauren says something like that, it's exaggerated. So might have been in one. might of month three for sure could have happened in month three days out.

Why are you in such a bad mood? She got crazy postpartum and I was going to say did you get postpartum depression for both or? No, only for the first. But I was weightlifting. That's why I'm so passionate

about talking about this. Hold on I got to redeem myself. Go ahead. We didn't know. The first time around I didn't even know what postpartum depression was. I didn't even know.

You know. Maybe you should. Men need to be educated about it but they're not a lot of people. We did 18 episodes about this for like 20 years. We did have, we did know. I've been dragged through. Okay, you know now. You know now.

I have a random question. And I'll say, what's going on? And this is a question from our audience. I want to know your opinion on Ozempic. Oh, man. Your real opinion. My real opinion. Okay.

So honestly, from what I've gathered from like the doctors and things, it's changing people's lives that need it. I've seen that online. I just saw someone post about it. Andy Galpin just came on here. Do you know who he is? Yes. And he said like basically same thing.

with a caveat, though, but... What was his caveat? I'll let you know your caveat. You want to know my... Oh, gosh, I'm so on the spot here because this is so... No, give your real opinion. I know people that have taken it, and I mean, it works. You will lose weight, but I think unless there's a nutritional education behind it,

I think it can be a little dicey because I think people under fuel, very much under fuel. And then they're going to be dealing with a bunch of other issues when they get off of it, or they'll just gain the weight right back. So I think if it's paired with, number one, if you need it, I think there's people with diabetes and obesity that it's changing their lives. But then there's people that just want to like lose 10 pounds that are taking it. Yeah. And then they're just not eating enough. It's so situational.

I like the idea that it's really hard to give a blanket statement on it because it is so it's like everyone is different and in a different space. Yeah. And endocrinologists have been prescribing this for like 15 years or something. something like that. Like it's been on the market for a long time. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah. So it's been, it's been a drug that they've been prescribing for diabetes and obesity for a long time. But it's just, for some reason, I don't know what happened. The marketing like of it blew up and celebrity started taking it. Well, I love the idea that if somebody started taking it and they were able to retrain the way they think about food and the way that they think about their habits and then they could

get off it at some point and carry those healthy habits on for the rest of the life. Like I love that idea. and also like maybe jump starting. But my fear is like I just, if you look at most human beings, most people are more keen on taking the easy route and still having bad habits. Yeah. And my fear is like you're going to do this, create all the same bad habits and then under muscle and abuse and all that. And it's just like that's just, I mean, that's mostly what human beings do. But I think it's like life.

Some people are going to take it and take it to the next level and use it as a tool. And some people aren't. And that's just the way. like life goes. And they're going to yo-yo forever until they completely address the underlying reasons of why they're overeating. I think overeating is such a sensitive topic because it's so emotional. A lot of people use food to numb their emotions. And so if they're now they're taking a drug that's like, oh, I don't have that anymore. Like I don't, that part of my brain is just, but they're not actually addressing the underlying emotional issues when they get off of it. I'm like just gain right back.

another listener question is what can I do to increase my energy throughout the day, including what types of exercises they should be doing? Great question. I mean, I'm a big fan of weightlifting for energy because I think that what a lot of people do is they over exercise and they do too much cardio and then they're gassed. And then they have to like go take a nap. Whereas if you're weightlifting, you guys can speak to this too. Like I feel like you're not as systemically exhausted after weightlifting, your muscles are fatigued and you're tired and you put in work, but you're not going to be so exhausted that you need to go take a nap. So I'm really into exercising in ways that don't completely deplete you. I also think you're going to be a lot more consistent if you

choose forms of exercise that don't completely deplete you and grind you into the ground. Because if you're like, okay, I've got my workout at 8 a.m. tomorrow, I know it's going to kill me. I know I'm going to be dragging myself out of the gym on the floor, you're probably not going to show up to that workout. You're probably going to cancel versus if you know, okay, I'm going to go in. I'm going to get really highly targeted work. I'm going to target my muscles. I'm going to feel better. I'm going to have energy for my day. I think that's going to be a lot more sustainable routine that you're more likely to stick to. What success stories have you seen with your program? Like, what are, tell us some things that you've seen where you're just like, holy shit, this is incredible.

I think we get a lot of people who have tried it all. We get a lot of people who have tried Pilates. They've tried CrossFit. They've tried this and this and that. And they're like, okay, I am not seeing results. I'm not able to stay consistent. And they come to us and they're like, I can stay consistent for the first time. And I'm seeing results for the first time. A lot of people are like I've never seen as good of results. And yet I feel like I'm, I feel like I'm working out less hard. Again, because like we talked about, it's not necessarily about how hard it feels. It's about the stimulation to the muscle. So when people can really get a hold of that, they're really going to see better results. So they're more consistent. They're seeing better results. And one of my favorite things is that a lot of people are able to kind of do the things in their life a lot easier. There's a lot of transference into your daily life.

So people are like, I like to ski. My knees aren't hurting when I'm skiing. I like to travel and hike. And my back isn't giving me problems after I go on like an eight mile hike. So I think the transference into daily life is really cool too. Did we talk about that on the first one where people, like I think we, it might have been with you in the first one where it's like a 25, 30 old person's like I have back issues.

Yes. We did talk about that. Yes, we did. Yeah. I was like, well, it's likely you're just under muscle, but you shouldn't have back issues at 25, 30 years old. Right. And you know.

Or maybe your hamstrings aren't strong. Exactly. If you are stronger, having a lot of people put a lot of emphasis on mobility. I think mobility is great. But if you have more muscle and you're stronger, your joints or your muscles cross your joints. and improve the health of your joints. So if you have stronger muscles, you're going to have stronger tendons,

you're going to have better joint health, you're going to physically feel better. So it's not just the aesthetics. It's also that you physically feel better. And that's also going to allow you to stay more consistent and train harder if you feel better. If you go in and you're like, my back hurts because I just slam myself into the ground

doing this intense workout, or I haven't been working out at all and I need to build some strength and you go into your workout and your back's killing you the whole time, again, you're probably not going to stay consistent. time. I think that's what I like about weightlifting is I get sensory overload. And when there's all these high intensity things being thrown at me in music and bright lights like a fucking rave and it's dark and it's too much sensory. Like what I like about weightlifting is you do a set and then you take a pause, you take a beat, you breathe, you can walk around. It's not someone screaming at you. Like I just, that's not what I feel like that was making me stressed and more hungry. Yeah, totally. And for some people, I think it's motivating in the moment, maybe.

I don't know. It's never very motivating to me. I'm always like... It gives me like a pit, like antennas. I just don't like it. Yeah, I don't like it either. I think I feel like on edge when I'm like getting screamed out to put in like my 110. And I love what Brent said.

I listened to Brent's podcast. It was awesome. And I love what he said about you. He was like, you are not necessarily going to show up like with all out intensity, but you're consistent. Yeah. And that is why you've been able to see the incredible result. Right.

And I'm not either. Like I people, I don't know why people assume that about me, but then they see me move and they're like, oh, yeah, you're not an athlete. I'm not an athlete. It's hard for me to build muscle. I don't have the genetics on my side. And so I have to rely on consistency and slowly progressing towards it. If I go to one of those workouts where they're screaming at me to do as intensely as possible,

I'm going to hurt myself. I would, if you told me right now, you can never work. for the rest of your life or go to the workouts where you're yelled at in the dark with rave music, I would say, I'm good. I'm never going to work out. I get out. I can't do it. We talked about this with Brent a little bit, bringing him up.

But I think a common misconception, especially when it comes to, and this is, we talked about this when she's first got into it with women and lifting weights is like the thing they always say, I'm going to bulk up. I'm going to get huge. And I was like, that's what every guy's been trying to do for years and you barely add. It's hard. Yeah. So maybe, and you're the perfect person to ask this.

see a lot of bulky guys. I'm not trying to be mean. No, right? It's hard. It's hard for even men and they have more testosterone than we do. We calculated how much muscle that I put on since I've been working with Brent and I won't like talk about me, but like it's, it's like literally half a pound of like basically once every, like every two months. And I, and the reason I say that it's incredible. No, but it's a lot. But it's a lot. But what I'm saying is like when you think about it's been three years. It hasn't been a lot. I think women think, like, I'm going to add 15 pounds and have huge biceps and triceps and legs. It's so hard to do that. Like, it's almost, and I'm saying this as a man, like, it's like half a pound maybe once every two months, which is, yeah, it's a lot,

but it's taken three years to get to those marks. So it probably didn't happen actually like half a pound. No, no. You know what I mean? Like it could have been four pounds in a year or like six and what I mean? Yes. And just point to point out, like, it's, when she first started, I'm like, you're not just going to have huge biceps one day. No, I don't know why people think they're going to like overnight balloon up. And it takes like for women to gain five pounds of muscle, that probably is going to take an entire year for a lot of people. I'm currently on that.

Now that I'm back to my routine, my goal is to build five pounds of muscle within the next year. So I know that like. And that'd be a lot. Yeah, it is a lot. And when I, I've done it before. So I have body recompositioned, I think two years ago. So I lost fat and gained muscle. I weighed the exact same.

But like you talk about with the genes, I had smaller genes. My body composition changed. I had gained five pounds of muscle, but it took me, or no, sorry, I gained eight pounds of muscle, but it took me the whole year. And by I didn't, I don't feel like I looked bulky, but. And you're somebody that actively does this consistently all the time. I mean, it's your profession. And the reason I bring it up is because whenever I bring this up to people that are close

to me that happen to be women, even if I tell them like, hey, take some creatine. And they're like, I don't want to get huge. And I'm like, it's just not going to happen. No, like good luck. Yeah. My eyes are going to glaze over a few. We got to, that's the, I don't want to get bulky as like. No, but I think it precludes a lot of people, not just women, but men too.

Like, you know. Hopefully it's changing. I think what I think it's more when a guy says that. I'm like, don't. Don't worry, sweetie. Don't worry, sweetie. Anyways, I want to know how you are planning and looking at this year to put on five pounds a muscle from a really micro level. Yep. I'll tell you exactly what I'm doing. So I'm working out

five times a week, weightlifting five times a week. Do you want me to go into what I'm doing each day? Okay. So, and this is just the upload five time week schedule. So upper body on Monday, Tuesday is lower body. Wednesday is a mix of trunk. So like a hour workout? 35 minutes. Okay. Wednesday is like trunk and then we'll do some like supplementary. So we'll do like maybe like triceps or there's a few other muscle groups thrown in there. Thursday, same thing, like kind of a mix of upper and lower, and then Friday is full body. I try to get 150 minutes per week of light to moderate intensity cardio. For me, that looks like walks or sometimes I'll take like a light intensity cardio class.

Doesn't have to be insane. Usually I don't hit that number perfectly, but it's something that I aim for. Mainly just to stay active. She works out the same as me. So you're yelling at me for overworking out. It's approved by Dr. Shannon. We will go back to how you work out. Go ahead.

I believe Lauren takes recovery time, but go on. I do. We'll get there. We'll get there. This is new that I'm adding. I did not, I did not do this during pregnancy. I also have not done this postpartum, but adding a little bit of sprint work once a week. And I know you've had guests talk.

Oh, it's awful. But I just, okay, I just did a podcast about this. Have you heard of re-hit? No. Rehit. It stands for reduced exertion, high intensity exercise or high intensity training. So studies have shown that you can do a very low amount of sprint training and see substantial benefits. So you can do like two 30 second

sprints separated by some recovery time twice a week. And that can be enough to substantially improve your metabolic health in your VOTMX. Really cool stuff. So basically sprint training is going to be very low dosage, maybe once a week for me right now where I do like two, maybe three 30 second sprints with like two minutes in between. When I say sprints, it's not like necessarily just running. Like you can do jump squats. You can do bike sprints. You can go on the elliptical. you can do a lot of different sprints. So there's that. I covered cardio. I covered strength training. Eating high protein, I'm going to eat 120 grams of protein per day. And then recovery. I mean, I take two, I take two days off lifting each week. I swear by that because I think it has allowed me to

stay consistent. I take them Saturday and Sunday. And by Monday, I'm refreshed. I feel ready for my workout. And the beauty is, is that when you have that recovery time, your workout feels a lot more effective because you're fully rested. You're fully recovered and you can put in really good effort. So it's not so like washed out. Doesn't the muscle need that kind of recovery once in a while too to grow? Yes. Absolutely. Absolutely. You can take less than that. You can take one day off. I like two days. I think it's very manageable for people's schedules. It's effective. It allows you, I think, to stay consistent. I take Sunday and Monday off. I take Pilates on Monday only.

So I do the same thing she does. And Michael thinks I was over training because I do five days a week. Okay. So I think if you do it long enough, sometimes she will be like, oh, this is like, I'm so sore. This is like, therapy. She'll keep going. I'm like, I think that's, you need to take a break. And you'll probably get better results later when you come back.

If you're that sore and you're that tired. That is true. If you're training when you're really sore, think about your session when you're really sore. You're probably not lifting as heavy or doing as many reps. It's just harder. So you're not getting the same stimulus to your muscle. So you can train when you're sore. But if you're getting sore all the time, especially for how trained you guys are and how consistent you guys are, it might mean an extra recovery. Well, I'm not saying she shouldn't go do something. I'm just saying, like, say that you're doing four days of weight lifting. Maybe just not lift. Yeah, go to something else.

Yeah. Thank you, Dr. Michael. Lauren is like, guys, I'm not listening to you. What are other wellness things that you are doing in this moment that you're really loving? I just started taking creatine. I did not take that when I was pregnant or breastfeeding. I don't know the implications. I think you actually might be able to. So you guys check me on that.

I'm not sure. But I was just like, I'm just going to wait until I'm done. So I started taking creatine. I'm big, big, big, big on sleep. And even with a baby, I prioritize my sleep. And for me, what I've found works really well is she's going to wake up a couple times. It gets better as they get older. But she's going to wake up a couple times in the middle of the night.

Doesn't? Don't tell me that. I can't. Okay, well, I want to know your guys is sleep. No, go ahead. Okay. So what I do now is I just get in bed a lot earlier. Yeah.

And what that does is it gives me like an extra hour or two buffer, not an hour or two, probably one hour of buffer so that when I am up extra in the middle of night, kind of evens out. So I end up getting like eight or nine hours of sleep. One of the best things about having kids is that bedtime starts to creep down. That's what's happened. We're done at nine o'clock. I'm truly, I'm done at 7.30. I love that. I'm finished. I'm done. I think about you all the time. I'm like, I should put my, it's 7.30. I should put my phone down. I literally want my phone nowhere near me unless it has a meditation on it, eight o'clock. I think if the phone is like disgusting. We'll go to our kids. I don't know why. I'm like, get, it's like an STD. I'm like, don't

what do you do it and I do you watch TV? We go to our kids. No. I. No. No. No. No. No. No, no. Right now I'm playing a video game called Woo Kong. He has a big video. But that's a different story. Honestly, though, it's a nice little break. It's just shortly right now.

I like to listen to meditation and read my Kindle. But we lie to the kids and we're like, but we don't lie. Yeah, we do lie. We just say it's bedtime and they'll look at the shape down and we're like, it's no. It's dark out. It's like literally like son. Our daughter would be like, Daddy, it's still like the sun's right there. I'm like, no.

They're going to get smart and they're going to be like, peek up through the curtain and see the sun. No, normal routine though. It's like we're in bed. the red light we're reading a book or something that's right now I'm playing wukong though so it's not a good time to ask me but what is wukon it's just a fighting game it's just anyways I'm I play these games once in a while not all the time only if there's a really good one that comes out okay so I'm not good right now but normally it's like eight o'clock bed read a book it's no electronics no screens no screens we have no TV in our bedroom so so no like shows you guys don't watch like no no I'm done I would say we in the last year like we have

definitely fallen behind on shows. I just don't watch them at night because it's bad for your eyes. No, but we used to watch a lot more shows and now we don't really watch that many. We don't have time when you have kids. I watch them when I'm on a plane. Like, and I'm not with them if I'm going to work. I'll watch them on like a random Sunday when my kids are taking a nap. But I don't watch, I don't like to watch shows at night. If ever I try to put on a show, the kids will come in and be like, oh, is this a daddy show? Oh, my God's Daddy show. Like, go. And they're like, no, put on Blueie. And then like, I've seen every episode of Bluey now. So that's Do they win you? You put on Bluey every time. I can't be like, no, I'm, I'm, I'm

playing Woocombe right now. Like, get out of here. What's your baby's name? Olivia. So cute. We named her Olivia and then we learned that it's the number one girl name right now. So she's going to have like five other Olivia's in her class. And we didn't do it on purpose. But she goes by Liv. So then it's a little different. You're talking to a Michael and a Lauren. So it's not like we. It's not like me. Did you guys have nicknames though? Did you go by your last names? No, no. No. You didn't go by Mike? No, there was a Mike, a Mikey and a Michael. And I was like, you guys can take those. Mike, Mikey thing. So you were the Michael.

I was the Michael. Yeah, I was. Mikey? I mean, my Mikey might be listening. There's a little much. If you could tell us about... She was like a 30-something-year-old Mikey. You know what I mean?

If you could tell us about your brand, because you also gave us a code for six weeks free. Yes. Which is insane. Yes. Tell us about your brand. Like if someone's listening, they've never heard of it. Yes.

So it's exactly what we're talking about. We apply the science to a, to class. So it's online classes. If you like classes, you'll love it. I think a lot of women want to just be told what to do. And we are constantly queuing in our classes. We're constantly educating. We're constantly giving swap. So you're like, oh, one of our things is like, if you hate pushups, we're not going to make you do them. Just do chest presses. It targets the same muscle. It does the same thing for you. You can swap because if you hate what you're doing every single workout, you're not going to stay consistent. So we're in your ear on the screen talking to you the whole time. We release all new classes every single week. so you don't have to repeat the same classes. And it's very structured. We're very into structure. Monday's upper body, Tuesday's lower body, just like what I laid out. And then we have some nutrition guidance on there from registered dietitians.

If body recomposition is your goal, you can go on there and calculate your protein needs and your calorie needs. And we've got some awesome meditations. And it's just our goal is to help women build muscle through gentle consistency, which means just showing up. Can we also do a giveaway? Yeah. Okay. you tell us what we get. A year of EFLO? I love it. Love it. One person wins. How many do you usually do? I don't know what you do three. No, let's do three.

A year of EBLO. If you follow, tell us who to follow. Dr. Shannon on, it's d.shannon. It's d.shannon.d.t on Instagram. And tell us your favorite part of this episode on my latest post at Lauren Bostic. And then what's the code? They get six weeks free. Tell us where. Skinny. Skinny. Skinny at checkout. Six weeks free. And give us. Instagram and the website and everything. You can follow Evelof Fitness as well on Instagram and evelofitness.com. And I highly recommend that if this episode didn't answer one of your questions to go back and listen to the first episode with Dr. Shannon, it was a very popular episode. It did very well.

You guys loved it. I learned a lot. And I just think it's a really nice part one to this. You can listen or watch it. And next time you come back, you'll have five more pounds of muscle. That's right. I'll be bulky then. Yeah.

Bulkie. Thank you for coming on, Shannon. We will see you at your media in real life where we're doing a panel together. Cannot wait. On lifting, health, fitness. We kicked Michael off. Oh, can't wait. I can't wait for him to be off.

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