The Bossticks - Dr. Terry Dubrow And Heather Dubrow Reveal What Really Works: The Truth About GLP-1s, Cosmetic Procedures, Relationship Advice, And Youthful Skin

Episode Date: November 4, 2025

#903: Join us as we sit down with Dr. Terry & Heather Dubrow – famously known as 'Dr. and Mrs. Guinea Pig'. Dr. Terry is a board-certified plastic surgeon & TV personality, his wife Heather, is an iconic reality TV star & wellness expert. Between them both, they have tested it all when it comes to cosmetic procedures, treatments, & modern wellness. In this episode Dr. Terry & Heather get real about human optimization, reveal the truth about GLP-1s, share which cosmetic procedures are worth it (and which aren't), offer tips for youthful skin, & spill the inside scoop on breast implants. They also discuss what it takes to stay in a long lasting, and loving relationship and what to do to keep the relationship on the tracks.    To Watch the Show click HERE   For Detailed Show Notes visit TSCPODCAST.COM   To connect with Dr. Terry Dubrow click HERE   To connect with Heather Dubrow click HERE   To connect with Lauryn Bosstick click HERE   To connect with Michael Bosstick click HERE   Read More on The Skinny Confidential HERE   Head to our ShopMy page HERE and LTK page HERE to find all of the products mentioned in each episode.   Get your burning questions featured on the show! Leave the Him & Her Show a voicemail at [phone].   To learn more about Consult Beaute visit https://consultbeaute.com.    This episode is sponsored by The Skinny Confidential  Optimize your daily beauty routine. Shop The Skinny Confidential Brow Peptide and subscribe today at http://bit.ly/TSCBrowPeptide.   This episode is sponsored by Higher Self  Go to https://www.thehigherself.app/skinny and get 4 months free or 30% off the yearly plan. That's literally 53 cents a day to reprogram your subconscious and completely upgrade your life.   This episode is sponsored by Cymbioktika Go to http://Cymbiotika.com/TSC today to get 20% off plus free shipping.   This episode is sponsored by Kendra Scott  Visit http://kendrascott.com/gifts to start shopping!   This episode is sponsored by Wayfair Don't miss out on early Black Friday deals. Head to http://Wayfair.com now to shop Wayfair's Black Friday deals for up to 70% off.   This episode is sponsored by Minted  Bring your traditions to life with independent art and design this holiday season. Use code SKINNY for 20% off Minted Holiday Cards, Gifts and Wrapping Paper at http://Minted.com.   This episode is sponsored by 7Diamonds Use code SKINNY for 20% off your first order at http://7Diamonds.com.   This episode is sponsored by Neiman Marcus  If you're looking for gifts that are guaranteed to surprise and delight, head to Neiman Marcus. Produced by Dear Media

The following podcast is a dear media production. She's a lifestyle blogger extraordinaire. Fantastic. And he's a serial entrepreneur. A very smart cookie. And now Lauren Everts and Michael Bostic are bringing you along for the ride. Get ready for some major realness. Welcome to the skinny confidential, him and her.

So the pro tip is from four to seven. I kind of don't need to worry. I could just make like a scrapbook. Right. No, you have to be there. I'm telling you that when your kids are older, and you need to remind them of everything you schlep them to in the formative to years where they remember nothing, you need evidence. Got it. You have to show them.

Look, I took you here. I took you here. We did this. We went here. I took you on vacation. We did all these things. And also, I feel like you can also do a couple little lies. Like, you could be like, I could be like, I changed the most diapers.

I feel like I can like, there's little white lies sometimes. that I can like narrate and manipulate. Well, I can also, I'll be like, man, I really wish your mom was there when you're younger. It's just. That's a good call. Damn, fighting words. So I was telling you off air that I was dying to get both of you in the studio at once because as you know, we do a him and her podcast and you guys are also very much him and her.

And I think that I told you I'm a huge housewife's fan. But there's a lot of stuff that you know. And I feel like there's a lot of education that we can benefit from in the audience. Yeah. First, I would just ask you both how you became interested in health and human optimization to begin with. Well, I mean, I'll let Terry answer his side, which is a little more obvious than mine. But, you know, being married to a doctor, I like to say I have like a little MD married to doctor. I mean, the kids will call me before they'll call him if something is wrong or they're sick.

But, you know, for me, it's always been so far the non-surgical solution. to anti-aging. And as I'm getting older, going through menopause, you know, I want to stay, look, yes, I'm vain. I want to stay looking good, but I also want to be fit. You know, we had our kids a little bit later. I want to be that grandmother, you know, with a kid on my back, you know, with a grandkid in a backpack, you know, hiking around and doing all those things. So for me, it's about vanity. It's about longevity. It's about strength. It's about all those things. And, you know, having Terry as a husband, obviously, that's a lot. Yeah. So obviously, I'm a plastic surgeon.

It's sort of what's happened, as you know, in the last many years is that we've sort of made these discoveries. You know, in the same way that sort of AI is changing our world, these GLP ones are changing our health span and our understanding of how to avoid sort of surgical procedures. And, you know, as the botched doctor, I'm very into teaching people, hey, you really need to know that if you have plastic surgery, you can have a disaster. It's much more common than plastic surgeons will tell you. So it's funny because if I went to med school in the 80s, okay? And if you would have told... I was very young, by the way.

And if you would have told me... You were born. You know, 40 years later, we're still... In 19... I graduated in 86. You would have told me in 2025, you're still going to be taking a scalpel. and cutting through the skin, taking a scissors and dissecting out the blood vessels, lifting things up, pulling it off, pulling it back, cutting off and putting stitches. I would have gone, no way.

It'll be done with lasers or energy transmission devices. Longevity and health and wellness will be completely different in 40 years. And it is and it isn't. But the things that I'm really focused on are how is and how can we advance the frontier? because there's so much BS right now. There's a lot of stuff that works, a lot of stuff that doesn't work at all. And then there's a big question mark stuff like NAD and peptides and this multi-billion dollar industry for health and wellness

that there's no science behind. So we're really super focused on what works, what doesn't, what's new, how can you advance our lives. And Lauren, you mentioned before we started, you mentioned our first book. We've written three books together, and our first book was Dr. and Mrs. Guinea-Pick. Yeah, that's the one I love. So we are resurrecting Dr. and Mrs. Guinea Pig, and we are trying, again, all things, health, wellness, and beauty on ourselves.

Have you doing that NAD yet? We have not done NAD yet. That's, we're coming up to NAD. So you're doing like a new version of the book. Advice. Yeah, but we're doing it on YouTube. That is genius. On ourselves.

On ourselves. And we are testing things. But are really testing things. Creatine. I'm sure you guys take creatine. I mean, it's the ones. supplement that everyone agrees everyone should be on. I'm going to take it since I was 12 years old.

Really? No issue. But have you heard about megadosing creatine? For the brain. If you don't sleep well, yeah, it does. It helps. Well, we tested it. So does it, though?

Well, you have to watch. There's real science behind the five grams or seven grams or three grams that a male or female would take for muscle and for fitness. But everybody, every science influencer right now is saying megadosing is amazing for your brain based on what? What science? There's no science there. So we are actually putting all of these things to the scientific test on ourselves.

Can you give us a few things that don't work that you both think are not? I don't even have to look at him. I know exactly what he's going to say. What? Well, I mean, she wants me to say salmon sperm facies. That's what I thought you were going to say. Oh, no one. I love salmon sperm facials.

She loves it. I think that they are incredibly good. I think it's your skin is glowing and amazing. I love it. But I mean, who concepted this thing? I have an idea. let's get the ejaculate from a salmon and wipe it on our face. That's going to be really good for our skin.

What? You just know. You never know what's going on in Pornhub. They never know. Maybe they did a beastie challenge. It was born on only fans. It's the exosomes that they're trying to get, right? Those do work pretty well, I must say.

It's like the salmon semen. I always, at least when you made me do it, you told me it was exosomes. I didn't know if I'm just getting a fish. A little lie. Like I said, a little lie. So I can tell you. In my opinion, and this is controversial, but I think every plastic surgeon would agree with me. Threads don't work.

Agree. Yeah, he doesn't like threads. They don't work. We've had a lot of people in your space come on and say that those can be not only not work, but disastrous. Explain why. So, I mean, they've been around forever. Okay.

And I will tell you, when there's a technology that was in the 70s and eight, 70s and goes away, 80s and goes away, 90s and it's, it doesn't work. And so now the new version of it is sort of. of these barbs that are on these threads. Like a fishing hook. Fishing hook, multiple fishing hooks. You feed them in, they sort of grab and anchor the skin, and you pull it up and you let go.

And hopefully they'll stay up and they just don't work. I think they do work in the right hands for about four weeks. But like that's a lot of trauma to your face for four weeks. And I can't tell you how many patients I've seen with comp, obviously I have a complications type practice, you know, I'm the box doctor, but so I only see pretty much disasters of everything. They don't work and they don't last. Even when they work temporarily, they don't last. So people come to you and once it's happened and it's gone wrong. Terry, we did. They'll be like this weird pole on one side and this one fell and this one's over

here. So what did the doctor do to fix it? Put in more. And I have friends that have done this and you have to get them done constantly. When you're in Orange County and you're surrounded by I think you're in a unique position because you're surrounded by Terry who's a doctor who sees all the botched stuff and then you also in Orange County everyone's doing everything and you're so you get to see it up

close in person. What is that like to sort of be in the middle and have Terry as the doctor but then have what's happening in real life in front of you? You know it's funny. I think that region to region plastic surgery is so different. I mean girls from Florida look different than girls from

Orange County that look different from women in New York. I mean, I think I'm from New York, so I feel like we're always bundled up, so it's really about the neck up, you know, there and in California, people care more about breasts and now butts and stuff like that. But Orange County is even different from L.A. I move my practice

up here. We move back to L.A. Okay, I went to your Orange County. We grew up in San Diego. Oh, really? We came here in like 2014, and now we were in Texas, but we grew up in San Diego, so they kind of experience with, we get all the vibes of the different in Texas. How is Orange County? different than Los Angeles. So I think Orange County is more coastal.

Yeah, and more body oriented. Yeah, it's a beach community. A lot of sort of larger implants and bigger lips, I think. I think L.A. is becoming a lot more, just like Hollywood's settling a lot less pillow face. By the way, in terms of that thing, what doesn't work, filler, too much filler doesn't work. Okay. I've done too much filler on me

and it was very embarrassing. Oh my God, that went on for like two years. Yes. I don't like filler. I like sculpture. Yeah. So,

and I have a show on Ian Peacock right now called Botch Presents Plastic Surgery. Already watched it. Check. Loved it. Look how many celebrities regret their filler. All of them did pretty much, right? They all wanted it dissolved.

So I think the pillow face filler thing is gone in L.A. I still think it's big in Orange County, the too much filler. And to answer your question, I think for me, not just what I see, but, you know, being married to a plastic surgery. First of all, being on television, high definition. It's hard. That's hard. It's so stressful.

I'm 56. Like, I've been on TV since I was 22. Man, the cameras have gotten very clear. No, you look so good. That's so nice of you. But I watch back and I go, hmm, that's not a good angle. Or is it time? Is it time for a facelift?

Is it time to get your eyes done? Is it time for all these things? And I really try to, you know, move forward and see where I'm going to go. But I like the non-surgical stuff, but there will come a time, I'm sure, we'll want to do something surgically. But it is hard, you know, because there's so much perfection out there or what seems to be perfection that you don't know if it's filters or it's like the perfect surgery or whatever it is. And then the final thing about things that don't work are those things that, the things that, work kind of, but they're exaggerated. Like what? So the most exaggerated thing are the radio frequency or energy transmission devices that go under the skin that are going to give you a facelift

without having a facelift. Oh, nothing tight. Your body skin. The face tight, body tight, the the, the morphous eight, the Altheras. Yeah. I've done those. They work. And they work kind of sort of, but, but they're way exaggerated in their effects. What do you guys think of? What do you guys think about how the cut just came out with this article and I thought you were the perfect people to ask. It's called like the forever 35 face. Yes. What is both of your opinions on that? So it's funny.

We were just talking about that today because that's what this phenomenon where you don't age. You're locked in at 35 is now I think it's looking good for some recent celebrities who have had facelifts and are admitting to it, this sort of plastic surgery knowledgement. Oh, I've done this. The admitting of plastic surgery. It's called strategic relatability. Right. It's cool.

And also, nobody has to question them and bug them about it. Give us the real list. But just in the last few days, and I'm not mentioning names, but you'll know who I'm talking about, there's been some males in that stage of life that have attempted to have the Forever 35 face. And it's not only is it not Forever 35, it's like, where did you park your spaceship kind of face, you know, because it looks altered. So let me ask you this. I have not done very much.

I've done like some Botox but I want to do something eventually because I got these, my eyes one day I'm gonna be like. Do you want a consultation with Terry? Yes, of course. I'm gonna take any opportunity I can. Go ahead.

What would you do if you want to age gracefully and not completely fall apart? Because I know at some point like this is coming down. Yeah. So for a man, it's good to have low brows. It's okay to have a little excess eyelid skin.

You do not want to take all. In a woman, let me look at the eyelids here, right? There's no upper eyelid excess. Look at the eye, you guys. I'm going to be able to use this as a sleep mask here if I'm not careful. But if you take even a little too much, you're good. You look feminized. You look feminized.

And there's a male celebrity who just did this and they're talking about it in the media. And it's really, they look completely different. And you don't want to look different. No, I don't want to, yeah, that's what scares me about it. I want to look at myself in the mirror. But I also don't want to just be, man, that guy fell apart. But there's females like that, too, that have, they're known for hooded eyes. And they went and had their eyes done and they took too much skin.

And all of a sudden, it's not that they didn't look good. They didn't look like themselves. So you want to be natural for you. But the Forever 30 things sort of belies that concept. I have mixed a mixed relationship or feelings about the Forever 35. I mean, first of all, I get a lot of comments. I'd like to say that I'm aging backwards, which is very nice, since I haven't done plastic surgery yet. But, listen, I don't look like those forever 35 people because I haven't done that yet.

And it looks so great. And there's a piece of people's like, wow, I love that. And then there's another piece of me that thinks, well, if I don't do that, I'll get all the roles at all those shows and movies because everyone else is going to look 35. That's an interesting point. And I knew you guys would have an interesting take on that. It just, it just seems like that 30-year-olds are questioning whether they need a facelift now. Because what I'm hearing and from all my friends is like start early. Like do it when you're 30 and 40.

I have a friend who's like in her early 30s that has had a facelift. Yeah. These girls are doing it. We know multiple people. Yeah, they're doing it in their early 30. Yeah. Also, I have another. Would you ever do that?

On myself? No, on someone in their early 30s. So, you know, I have consults like that all the time and I take them to the mirror and I go, let me just show you something. I go, does this look better than that? And they go, I go, look this, that. I go, you probably should wait five years. But here's the thing, you go to a plastic surgeon.

They see you as a pre-op. They see you as a car payment. They see you, you know, they're not, they want to operate on you. So they're not going to tell you honestly that maybe it's better to keep doing. some judicious Botoxin filler and maybe some lasers and maybe some energy transmission before you go for the facelift

So you don't think 30s and 40s should be looking into facelifts yet because a lot of people are doing little nips and tucks they say like it's better to like start younger so then by the time like you're 70 you're not having to like pull everything back I think I do in some case in some case I think it's good

in some case I do it the answer to that is always it depends. If you do look significantly better when you look in the mirror and do this, you can have a mini lift. I don't think it's a bad idea necessarily. Is there a quota to how many facelifts someone can have in their life? No, not really to be honest with you. No, I mean. All right, then started 20. The truth is, once, you know, because we don't pull it back in a very natural way. We pull it back sort of up and back. So if you have too many, when it starts to relax in sort of the way, skin in their natural relaxing tension skin lines it's called if it drops a little bit in an

abnormal way it starts to look very weird and once you get too weird it's hard to get out of weird that see that's scary i know that's that like that's scary that's why i don't do any it doesn't exist in nature oh i know who you're talking about yeah it's yeah then doesn't exist in nature look is the weird it's weird that what terrifies me i would ever want to do something and then have that. If you take too much island skin on a guy, it doesn't exist in nature. Don't you guys also? I have this weird theory that like there's trends in plastic surgery.

So like Pamela Anderson, she had the huge boobs. And the problem is if you have that now, someone can look at you subconsciously and tell how old you are. So what I worry about with a facelift is let's say like the trend is ABCD right now and you get a facelift. And then by the time you're 60, you're sort of pigeonholed into that trend. So you look 60 subconsciously. Does that make sense?

Yes. It reminds me of Heidi Montag, who's a gorgeous girl. But if you remember years ago, she was very young and she had so many procedures done. And she went from like this really adorable 20-something-year-old to looking like a very gorgeous, exotic 40-year-old. And she was still 20-something. Right. Right. Right.

And then what I wonder is how does that age when you're 60 because then your pigeonholed how plastic surgery was at that time? It's almost like, have you, remember like, Heather will know what I'm talking about, like a fake French tip from a certain period. Yes. If someone was wearing that right now, you would like look. It would date you. 65 or something. That's a good question.

So would your plastic surgery date you? Yeah. I think if you start too early, you have too many. Like I said, the main thing is when it relaxes, it goes weird, hard to fix. And, you know, if you're, if you're a guy and you're 70 and you have a very tight neck, and a very snatched, they call it, y'allel, and that's the word they're using these days, you look snatched? He didn't know the word snatch, we had to teach it to them.

They know the word snatched, by the way. Right? I just heard that one. Anyway, I thought it sounded like a dirty porn thing, snatched, didn't it? When she first started saying it, I was like, I don't think we're saying the same thing here. Right?

I said it's just, yeah, do you know this word? I'm like, okay, Bucco. And so if you have a guy or a girl who's 70, and they have no, laxity. It just doesn't, there's a discordance. It doesn't compute visually. But that's the whole, because they still look and, I mean, although, you know, Dolly Parton still looks really good, but I wonder what she looks like with all the makeup off, you know, and she's sitting at home. Is there that weird? I think though, that's like Dolly Parton. That's part of her thing. Yeah, I feel like there's like

something about a essence with her that I don't know that's like, it's hard to like give the general population that tip and compare it to her because it's like that's dolly parton but i will say for sure dolly pardon's always been hot yeah yeah i agree but for sure for share it's worked yeah for sure it's worked yes she doesn't look odd and even though she's what is she 70? Maybe she just got a little pull every single year just a little tug it doesn't look weird it does not and i think but for most people trust me it does do you think like it's maybe some of these like it's the the drastic nature of the change, meaning like if you just do a little bit here and there,

and slowly over time. Well, always little, but there's certain things you should do, and Terry will tell you in your 20s, in your 30s, in your 40s, but to your point, Lauren, everyone's backing it up. Right. So it's, I don't know what the right answer. Backing up, meaning they're starting way too early.

I think way too early. We were just talking about mommy makeovers. Yeah. And what I was telling you was, so I have four kids, and after the last one, I was like, oh my gosh, like these children have sucked the life out of my.

my body literally and physically and my chest, I used to have these full natural D breasts. Best breasts ever. That's why you didn't want to do anything. Now it's tapping out. Well, I had it when I needed them. These mid to full decups with this in most insane body. It was like heaven, you know. It was like, calm down to her.

I know, it was insane. Terry's going to jump you in your media. I was so into it. Remember the honking incidents? Well, stop for a second. Anyway, so after I had the kids. kids, they completely deflated. And I was so upset about it. And we talked for like five minutes about me getting implants to, like small ones, to get my upper fullness back, but I'm allergic to

everything. Latex and plastic and all. So I was like, oh my gosh, these will just jump out of my body. And if that hadn't been true, I may have gone and had it done. But what I'm going to tell you is within two years of have, or three years of having that last kid, my body bounced back. I'm not saying I have the same breasts I had before I have. had kids, but I mean, he's happy. Yeah, I mean, she was very, very deflated and very lax. And she said, maybe I should put a pair of implants there. I totally was against it, even though I'm a plastic surgeon, because I just didn't want to, I was against it because, first of all, this is like, look at him like already touching them. Besides, okay, this, yeah, that was TM, but I was against it

because truth be told, which plastic surgeons won't tell you, there's a 15 to 20 percent chance a complication when you put a foreign body that's in there for a long period of time. Your immune system does surveillance and ultimately it goes, yeah, no, I don't like you anymore, and form scar tissue. So you're going to have more surgery for sure. And I didn't want her to go down that path. As it turns out now, just so you know and your audience knows, there's a new implant called Motiva that has a very low capsule contracture rate. Why? Are you told me to get them now? No, your breasts are great. I don't know exactly why. It's got a leg, texture to it and they sort of I think they broke the code somehow and the body seems to be it only got

FDA approved since November but it's been a year for 10 years and we've heard about it this whole time but the FDA doesn't let us use stuff from Europe unless we tested first yeah I'm having a amazing amazing success in difficult patients who have recurrent encapsulation putting those in Huh. So if you are going to do it, I recommend you do Motiva. So what are you saying based on those stats? Like if 100 people got this, 15 to 20 of them would have a complication. Could you imagine that out of every 20 operations I did, every 100 operations I did, 20 patients were totally unhappy?

I wouldn't be a busy plastic surgeon. That's a lot. Once you get to a thousand, you've got 200 plus patients running around who are regretful and super unhappy. So the complication rate in plastic surgery should be one to three. percent, not 15 to 20. And I didn't want her to go down that path with implants. If you guys were to tell someone what the perfect size implant is, what do you guys think it is, or is it obviously different for everybody? It depends on your breast tissue. Yeah, it depends where you start. Okay. What do you think is the most popular? It's regional. It used to be, yeah. I think it's in Orange

County. It's bigger. It's probably 450 to 500 is sort of the average. Okay. Up here, I think it's 300. What's in New York? You know, 300 is sort of like this big, you know. I feel like New York's smaller. Yeah, definitely small. I'm sure it's probably 250 like that. Yeah, Orange County, they got some. And just for your, I know, and just for your, well, it's the beach, right?

Just for your reference point, 15 cc is a tablespoon. 10 tablespoons is 150, 20 tablespoons is 300. It's not that huge 300, but once you get to 500, 600, you know, you're getting, and the larger you go, the greater the chance the body's going to go, No, I don't like this. That's too much. And the other thing we mentioned, she's very, very sensitive to anything.

I said that. I'm allergic to plastic and latex and all that. Yeah. I'm telling you, they just would have jumped out of my body. You think so. Yes. She would have encapsulated within a week.

But Terry's happy. So that's great. Yeah. Yeah. You guys have talked openly about GLP1. Yes. And I would love to know your him and her perspective on GLP1. He's obsessed.

You're obsessed. Obsessed. Yes. Explain. obsessed with talking about it or obsessed with implementing? This is like, you know, AI is to the fourth industrial revolution as these GLP-1s are to health and wellness. Whoa.

Yeah. And are you talking just about like the semi-glutodes? You're just talking about peptides in general or just GLP? No, he's talking about GIP. I'm talking about these intestinal hormone, gut hormones. That's what they are for weight loss. So I got so obsessed with these drugs because they were initially used for diabetes. and people were noticing that these diabetics who were on them, their weight was very low.

I had a friend who was a diabetic about 10 years ago, and he calls me up the about five years and goes, I don't know, I'm no problem with my weight anymore. And then, of course, we find out that it was on the weight loss drugs. I'm so obsessed with them that I actually studied for a year and took the American Board of Obesity Medicine certification exam. And I'm board certified by the American Board of Obesity Medicine. So my husband, by the way. So I know everything about these.

So when he comes home and tells you this, I feel like you have like a beautiful figure. Are you like, I want to try it? Are you like, no, thanks? No, I would love. So, okay, you know, I've been, you know, thin for a long time. Yeah, you've got naturally thin body. I feel like. No, well, I used to be voluptuous before I had the kids.

I had bigger boobs. I had hips, the whole thing. But after having the four kids, my body changed. My waist got wider. And my chest got down. and I turned into like a more athletic body and I started working out like I never had before. You taught me about strength training before anyone was talking about it.

You guys talked on your podcast, I want to say seven years ago or something about weightlifting. Yes. Before anyone was talking about it. And I totally believe in that. But now at this stage of my life, I still do weightlifting because you have to. You need it for bone density and all the things.

But now I'm off of hit training. And on to Pilates and Core Zone 2 cardio. But still we recommend resistance training big time, three times a week minimum. Always. Okay. Always weight training. So you love them.

I love them. So let me tell you just a little bit about them. So initially they were indicated, they were FDA approved for diabetes, type two diabetes. Then they got very fast, rapid approval for weight loss when it was discovered that they're so effective for obesity, which is the number one. risk factor for all four top four causes of death, cardiovascular disease, degenerative disorders, diabetes, and, you know, Parkinson's and things like that. So, and cancer. So then it was discovered, oh my gosh, they're not only good for obesity, they seem to prevent Alzheimer's. They're very good. Cardio

protective. They're cardio protective. If you now, if you've had a heart attack, even if you're not obese, it's recommended you go on them to prevent post-myocardial infarction complications. They're good for liver health, kidney health. So it's so far, it's clearly due to the sugar control. Sugar, in your blood, even if you're thin, sugar causes inflammation. So what I talk about, what I'm obsessed with is microdosing. Okay, so what's the right microdose amount? So nobody really knows. This is like the peptides and the NADs. Everybody's using them. We're all many of us doctors who are specialists in this are recommending, but there's no great science about it. So in my opinion, I'm on Monjaro, you know, and I don't meet the obesity criteria to get Monjaro.

So I'm on off label. Botox, by the way, on the forehead is off label. I don't know if you know that. Botox here is off label. Botox here, it's only a label for right there. So most of what you take these drugs, any drug for is off label. So when you say off label does that mean it's just it's not FDA it's not FD it's not it it doesn't meet the indications. Okay. So on label is you have to have a BMI of greater than 30

understand so on the on the FAQ got it so you're taking an off label amount of Mangiaro Mongero. Moncharol. Well it's terseptide as you know okay so terseptide is the is the GIP and GLP right so GL GLGLP one is Ozempic and Wagovi, that's the first one. They're the same drug. They just renamed it Wagovi for obesity indication. Then the better one is the GLP 1 and GIP, which is called generically Tersepitide, which is Monjaro and Zep bound. They're the same drug. And now there's a new one. And what what milligrams do you like to take of Triespetide? So it's it's Tersetide. I don't know. You know what? I'm known for not being able to pronounce anything. No, no, everybody says try. Everyone says it, but it's

TIR, TIR. We have doctor friends that say it that way too. Yes. Say it how you say it? TIR. TIRs appetite. TIRs appetite. So it's, you start at 2.5 milligrams for four weeks, five milligrams for another four weeks, seven point five for four weeks, up to 10 or 12, and then 15 is the max. But that's not my goodness. But that's, that's for diabetes. That's a full like dose. That's like you're never going to, once you get to five, if you're a responder, which most people are, you're not going to eat at all. If you get to 7.5 and you're a regular responder, you're going to lose too much weight. So for me, I did 2.5 for four weeks. I lost that six pounds. And then I went to five for one week and I didn't feel

well. I didn't want to eat anything. So I went back down to 2.5. And I consider microdosing 2.5. But people are talking about 1.25. Or 2.5 every other week. Or 2.5 every 10 days. It seems to be like a secret sauce. You have to figure out. You have to figure it out for yourself. How do you, Heather, see this out in the wild? Because with what you do, you've got, like, I feel like my dentist told me he's like, everyone's on it. Everyone. Yeah, everyone.

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I have a girlfriend who I've been friends with for 100 years and she called me a couple of years ago and she was like, I'm so sick of reading about all these girls on Ozemba. And I was like, listen, you've been trying your entire life to get down 40 pounds. You know, there is now help. Go do it. And she did it. And she looks phenomenal. And I feel like what upsets me is this stigma that everyone has against it. When I was in high school, I smoked cigarettes and drank Diet Coke and took Dexatrim. Are you telling me that that is better than doing d'ersetide? It's not. It was dangerous and it was so bad for you.

This is not dangerous. What about the gallbladder stuff that I hear? Yeah, no. Doesn't really happen. Pachryotitis is what you heard. Okay, maybe pancreatitis. Yeah, no, it turns out not so much. The only thing you don't want to, if you have a family history of multiple endocrineoplasia,

it's a particular weird, super rare type of thyroid cancer. Okay, you don't want to be on that theoretically. But that study was only true in rats. It's probably, you can probably, even if you have a family history of this medullary carcinoma of the thyroid, that's, that, if you have family history, you're not supposed to take it. And what about the blindness? Yeah, that is. Have you seen this on Instagram?

That is a lot of BS, by the way. I just, I'm at, I, by the way, I have actual no opinion on it. And I, I'm not judgmental of anything. I just am asking you all these questions because I feel like you know them all. And this is all what people say. You know, but it's scary because you, like, I'll scroll through Instagram or TikTok sometimes. And all of a sudden it's like stuff like that. Yeah.

I saw a thing on an antibiotic the other day. And they were saying, you know, you could lose your limbs if you use this antibiotic. And I send it to them. I'm like, is that true? Okay. Do you know how dangerous? Do you know how incredibly dangerous and life-threatening? Tylenol is in this. Forget about the tidal autism thing that's going on right now.

But Tylenol legitimately is the most dangerous drug that you could possibly take. That's why when these people started chugging Tylenol, I'm like, that is insane. Liver. Yeah. Okay. So if you look at the number of cases of Tylenol induced liver failure in this country versus how many cases of blindness from these GLP ones, it doesn't, I don't even know that's true. But you know, they love, everyone, loves to hate on a new thing, particularly when it comes to you took a shortcut to losing weight. I hate that. I hate that stigma. I don't like that at all. Like I said, what we did was so much more dangerous than this, which is a totally safe thing. What I'm hoping for is that the next

iteration of these drugs, and I know they're coming out with a pill right now. I don't know if the efficacy is the same, but I'm hoping for someone like me, I want the ancillary benefits. I want the cognitive health and the cardioprotective and all these amazing things that are I mean every day they're coming out and now we found out your hair is thicker you know it's like every day there's I'm lying about that so I'm like every day that there's like a new thing about these drugs that I kind of I want in what are those because okay so I have not struggled with my weight personally right and I when I when I hear these things I have no judgment again like do what you want but when I when someone like me hears. I'm like, well, I don't feel like I need, I could always, you know, look a little better,

but I don't feel like I need to trim off a bunch of weight. What if someone doesn't need to trim off weight? What are the other benefits that I could potentially exhibit? And if I don't, if I'm not trying to lose weight, will it like turn off my hunger hormones and then I will lose too much weight? So not if you, not if you, first of you got to figure out what kind of responder you are. Maybe 30% of people don't respond at all. Maybe I'm in the category where I'm a super responder. But if you're a typical person, you'll go on 2.5 and you'll go, you'll get used to it. You won't want to eat.

And then you'll sort of, it'll wear off much more quickly on your body. But the benefits for the brain. And, you know, it's about to get indications for Alzheimer's, for addiction disorders. It's, for the heart,

cardio protective. So it's really all about controlling the sugar and inflammation. So it's going to be the ultimate anti-aging drug. I have heard. So that's why you got so into it. It was,

it's all those things. Well, I got into it because, Well, I got in a fight with Jillian Michaels in social media. I don't know if you know about this. Did you see that? It was brief. And this is so my husband.

So, yeah, they got into a little argument because he was talking about the GLP ones and how much she liked them. And she talked about how dangerous it was. I'm thinking, what are you talking about? What are you talking about them? And he may have made an obnoxious comment like, when I want medical advice, I'm not going to go to a trainer. And if you want to give medical advice, you should probably take the MCATs go to medical school. So she got mad. It was kind of like that.

And then she wanted to like meet up and have a big talk and all the things. And so he didn't do that. But in typical Terry Debrough fashion, he was like, well, I'm going to become an expert. So he studied for the board exam. He's now a triple board certified doctor, general surgery, plastic surgery, and the obesity medicine. You know what I think you should do and it would go viral? I think you guys should invite her on your podcast. She wanted me to go on her podcast.

But we get along with her very well. And we know it. I think what I like about her is she will be straight up, but she will create the space for the debate. I don't, I think she'll take it like a she won't. Well, I was obnoxious and I apologize for that. That was, you know, insulting. But you know, TMZ, I can't, I was coming out of Craigs. She's got, she's got a couple drinks on board and the TMZ thing here. What do you think of Jillian Michaels saying it's the worst drug of all time? I go, it's like a cure for the number one risk factor of death. So it's the greatest drug of all time. And then I thought, I'm a plastic surgeon. She could criticize me saying, well, you're only a plastic surgeon. I thought,

all right, so I'm going to become a true expert. And that's why I did this. That's why he did it. That's cool, though, that he gets so curious that he becomes an expert. You could call it curious. I'm going to tell you he's stubborn and needs to be right. He, you really need to be right. Yes. You try arguing with him. Well, it was scary because I said, oh, I'm going to become bored surfing. And then I started reading and go, this is not my specialty. This is an internal medicine specialty. So here I'm reading endocrinology and nutrition and all these things. And I told everybody I'm taking the exam. I thought this was so dumb. And then. He's like, why did I tell everyone I was doing? Oh, because if you did it didn't go well.

If I failed. Because people were going, hey, we didn't find out for three months after I took the exam. People were going, hey, have the board certification exam going, got better past this. People are. Well, I think people also would, they want to ask you questions about that specific thing because people are seeing such a good results. Right. And it's expanding beyond obesity. So just to you know how hot this area is, there's a drug. The next one in line is a triple hormone drug. So there's GLP1, that's OZempic. GLP, GIP, that's Tersetepatide. We'll go Zepound and Moncharo. And there's a new one called Reda Trutide, which is three hormones. Okay. People are so into these that they're now making it illegally compounding it at pharmacy and it hasn't even been FDA approved right now.

They call it red eyes all over the internet. Is that one good or bad? It's if you if you look at the data right now in stage three clinical trials, it's way better with way less side effect. I'll tell you how. So the way one of the ways in which you sort of evaluate these, what percent of your weight will you lose in the study period of time? So ozempic Wagovi is like 10 to 13%. Okay. That's pretty good. Yeah.

So if you wait 200 pounds, you'll lose 20. That's not bad, maybe 22. Trezepotide is like 18%. Okay, way better. Reda Trutide is like 25% with less side effects. What's going on though? This is what scares me about this. What's going on with the skin that's sagging from losing weight so quick?

Exactly. Or the hair, the hair law. Yeah. Skin, I mean, I don't care how you lose your weight. You lose weight. It happens in your face first. Yes. Always. I think if I were to lose weight quicker with the help of one of these. You're right. From the people that I've interviewed, I would take a massive amount of amino acid. Eat a massive amount of protein. Massive amount. I would be taking, I already take so much amino acid because it's literally changed my entire hair. Like I cannot say that enough to everyone who's like. listening. But if you are on it, to me, to balance it out with the hair loss and the weight loss, you need protein and amino acid, right? Right. No quite. You're exactly, I would recommend a collagen too, a multi-source collagen peptide. So you almost have to like, it's like a, what's it called seesaw? It's a balance. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's because of the rapidity, which you lose weight. You just lose it so quickly. Look, if you starve yourself, if you fast for

30 days, you're going to look the same. You know, it's the ozempic face phenomenon. Yeah. You've heard of the ozampic vulva phenomenon? No. Tell us about the vulva. Perry, bro, let's get some social clips here. Tell us about the ozempic vulva. So, is that I say it.

Ozempic vulva is a real thing. Just for the record, I do not have ozempic vulva. That's what I'm going to open the episode with. It's going to just be you. I did it like that. She can open the episode. Say hi. I am Heather Dube, bro.

I do not have ozempic vulva. My vulva is just fun. Your vulva is nice. I must say. Thank you. So, ozampic vulva is not that you've lost so much weight down there. Things are loose, like with ozempic face. Sorry about that.

Maybe that wasn't good. But ozambic vulva refers to this concept of decreased hydration and lubrication down there. So it's not as moist and lubricated. And because the difference between us and them is that our stuff is skin, covered. Their stuff is mucosal covered. So it's like the inside of the mouth. So you really need moisture for this. We are really getting to know each other here today. I don't know that's on my bingo card today. I know exactly what you're saying. It makes a lot of sense. If this is, of the visual. Well, have you ever heard that people that are on the GLP ones get dry mouth?

You get dry down. So it's dry everywhere. So you get like vulvitis and vaginitis and all of these things. I thought you were going to say like you just like the weight loss causes like a puffy pussy or like something. No, it's the opposite. It would be deflated, right? We were talking about ozambic face. So it's a deflated vagina. It is.

It's. It's. It's. It's like a balloon. Not cute. Deflate it. It's dry. So now people are going to be going to get filler in their vagina.

No, you have to hydrate. And it's really important to stay hydrated because when you lose the, when the satiety centers of your brain, you're not hungry. You're also not drinking as much. People drink and you just lose all sort of interest in, food and liquid when you're on these drugs. So it sounds like if you're on these things, you have to really be proactive between your diet

and taking your protein and your collagen and your amino. And lifting weights, like we talk, but it's even more important. Okay, and what about, I heard that a lot of people who are experiencing, you mentioned this earlier, someone who drinks a lot or does drugs, or it's turning that center off. Is that right?

It's fantastic for that. Yeah, because you literally can't drink when you're on these drugs. I think it should have an FDA approval for alcoholism. If you're an alcoholic, because you drink, And by the way, I want, so I did, when I first started doing it, I'm on 2.5 now. And I do it every seven days, every 10 days.

I sort of do it in a designer way. If I'm going to go on vacation, I'll go off it so I can overeat and over drink. Yeah. Oh, that's fine. Yeah. If we're going away next week, there'll be no dose. Yes. We'll be on the beach, drinking, eating chips.

But the first time I went on five milligrams, I had two margaritas the next night. and anybody's listening to this, if you drink too much or even drink your normal too much amount, like if you're on vacation or going to a party or something, you'll be sicker than you've ever been.

Sick like vomit, vomiting doesn't even give you relief. It's just sicker than you've ever been in your life if you drink alcohol on these GLP1 drugs. So if you're an alcoholic, I've seen people that are drinking on them. You can drink a little bit. Look, once you...

I feel like so many people I know that I've like had a drink with are like, oh, I'm on it and they're drinking. Well, also, the effects inside of- Maybe it's different person to person too. Well, the effects and side effects will wear off. So even if you have the sort of indigestion, the gurd, the, the, all of this sort of delay, emptying issues you get with these drugs, they wear off the longer you're on them. Huh.

God, I've learned so, this has been like a master's class. This is the biggest breakthrough in the history of medicine. Let's start the episode off with that. Now let's talk about the biggest breakthrough of beauty. And I'm going to ask you this. Okay. What are you seeing in the beauty industry that is rocking your world? I mean, I have to say, I think that, so we have our own skincare and supplement line that we've had for over a decade.

And our whole concept was an internal, external approach to health, wellness, and beauty. So it's called Console Beauty. Terry does it on TikTok live right now. If you need a laugh for an hour, you can check your work. for an hour. You can check him out. I just make jokes for two hours. He said very silly. But that was our whole vibe. And I have to say, I think everyone else has finally caught up to this. But, you know, ingestible collagen and peptides and all of these things that were ingesting, I think absolutely come out in our skin. And I think the topicals have become so much better, too. I mean,

back in the day, it used to just be vitamin A, C, and E. Yeah. And that's all we had. What do you think about peptides, not the GLP ones, just regular peptides? Injectable peptides? Yeah. I haven't done them yet. We're going to test it. Yeah. We're about to do an experiment ourselves, with the two most common type.

Which one? The BPC? Yes. I've done it. In the Smorlin? Yep. Great. Yep.

I think you like the peptides. Yeah, but what are they doing? Right. Because everyone we've spoken to, it's like, I love them. They're great. Well, how do you feel differently? I don't know. I just feel great.

I want a clear reason why I'm taking something. I agree with you. I did one. I can't remember the exact name. I could find out. And it was a sleep one, actually. Yeah. And it didn't make me sleep longer, but it gave me like a healthy or deeper sleep.

Better quality. And I was on fire after that. Like, I felt great. Did you go off it? Yeah. I mean, whenever I do it, I'll do it for like a week or two. You cycle it. I cycle it.

Yeah. And then I go off. And then I cycle for like a quarter. I don't go back on for a while. And do you feel like you maintain those results after being on it? Yeah. So it, like, retrain's your body. a little bit. Yeah, and I hurt my back real bad. And I did that and that took me like 90% of the way healed and faster. So here's the problem with this. These peptides are not FDA approved. They're not regulated. You don't know where they're coming from. Yeah. You got to get a trusted play. Yeah. You know, and they're completely untested. They're not any different really than doing steroids at the gym. You know, trend. You know, they do trend. That's actually better, more study trend because more guys have done it can tell you the dose of trend to get shredded is this. No.

one really knows the right dose. You go to one Beverly Hills doctor to get these peptides. He's going to put you on this for this dose. And then the guy down the streets goes, nah, I do this and this. And they're all making it up. And by the way, most of it, truthfully, it's probably placebo. Well, and that's interesting too because at least with my back, I was real messed up. And so that's why I did it. And it was to the point where this injury where I was like, oh, I'm like, I'm not going to be walking right for a while. And so even if it was placebo and it works, I do. I'm in.

I'm in. I can't blame you. My heart breaks. Yeah, I didn't care. And I was nine months pregnant and he's like, my back hurts. I'm like, oh my God. No, but you know when you throw it your back, it's a real, it's a real thing. But you know what?

Listen, when I was nine months pregnant with the twins, I had kidney stones and I was lying on the bathroom floor nine months pregnant with twins with my head on the cool tile passing kidney stones and he stepped over me. I went, can I go to the bathroom? I wasn't as sympathetic as I might be. Oh, my God. So I feel for the back. No, but here's the thing.

You say, even if it's placebo, you're okay with it. But what if we find out that with prolonged use of it, it exposes you to a greater chance of cancer? Oh, that's a concern that people are talking about and having. Yeah, I mean, honestly, at the time I would have gotten, that back pain was pretty bad. You would have done it anyway. But the thing with the GLP ones is they've been around for so many.

many years because diabetics have used them that they have 14 years of data yeah that there's a lot of data this peptide thing is concerning because you really don't know what the long-term effects are yeah the ones that can grow things like the growth hormone ones you got to I think those are the ones you got to be just thoughtful again I'm not the expert people right the people in the peptide space when we've had them on the show are going to watch this and be screaming I mean I'm just saying I've tried them and those are my experiences but I'll tell you so the people in the peptide space who come here with the MD, FACS certified, we're making it up. We don't know.

We don't have data. It's not taught in med school. It's not residency. We're just like flying by the seat of our pants. So that's the other thing we get a lot of shit for doing this show because we've been skeptical about medical vice, medical vice in general. Just like not that we don't think there's great doctors and there's a place. But when I hear things like that from somebody who practices the way you do, like I imagine

there's a lot of people in medicine that are also kind of just. winging it in some areas and we've seen now like it's it you really have to be your own kind of well i also think personally that you know it being a doctor is tough these days oh yeah you know insurance return you know what what doctors get paid and and all of that and and it feels like people want to try to enhance their their salaries you know what and so they sell different i mean i that's why you see dentists doing facelifts and you know obygyns doing And all this crazy stuff that really never used to happen. So now doctors are selling youth.

We're selling peptides. We're selling, you know, all this stuff. That's scary to me. That's a great point. But no, by the way, I'm kind of glad. Because what doctors did when like OBGYNs, they weren't making any money for the insurance company anymore because the reimbursements were so low, they would start doing, let's do liposuction.

Oh, let's, I'll take a weekend course. breast augmentation. Let's start doing faces. Because you have a medical license. You can do anything. I'd rather them prescribe peptides than put a scalpel on their hand and do cosmetic surgery. Does liposuction really work? Yes, if it's done in a very particular way under the right circumstances. Which is what? So you have to have relatively tight skin. Okay. If you have loose skin, it's going to make it worse. If you have a lot of cellulite, it's going to make it worse. So skin laxity, critical, and you have to have a very focal area of what's called lipidicistry of fat. So let's see you have an area out here. And the best liposusation can would be a dolphin. Because you suction

the fat and the skin is so tight, it's going to just wrap right around the new area. But also, isn't it true that liposuction is actually better on thinner people? It's not to reduce someone who's larger. It's really for someone who has like a spot resistant area, someone that's got the tire or the outer thighs or things like that, if the skin's tight. If the skin's good. That's the perfect. And if you don't do it too aggressively. I would die if you brought a dolphin on botch and you did liposuction on a dolphin. Well, it would have to be a, But the humane society might differ. That's the only way to go now to get unbatched.

Maybe if his little fin is. So this guy texted me, I know from CNBC. Okay, I'm a fan of him on CNN. He says, a friend of mine, his wife has got a disaster problem. And he sends it to me. And it's kind of not, it's bad, but it's not bad enough to get unbatched anymore. To get unbought, you have to be destroyed now. After 10 years, unbatched, has to be really.

bad. Like what's the worst thing you guys have ever seen? Unbatched? Yeah. So we had this lady in season three that went to one of those plumping parties. You ever heard of these illegal plumbing parties? You ever heard someone say, oh, I've got a girl and we all go to this house? Yeah, yeah, like a Tupperware party. Right. And have silicone or whatever. And it turned out, she was doing that turned out to be cocking material from a hardware store. Like cement. Like actual cocking? Like actual were cocking and people have gone to prison for this. The madam in Florida. So she had all this stuff.

Initially it looked good and then the immune system started to overreact. And she came in with these masses all over face. It looked like boulders in her face. And no doctor would touch her because they were concerned that if you take it all out, you're going to kill the blood supply to the skin that's going to die or the nerves. You're going to end up looking like a stroke. Or the immune system is going to go, yes, screw you and make it worse. So we turned it down season three like everybody else did

Season four I brought her back And I took an orthopedic saw And sawed the concrete out Oh my God And left the upper A little bit in the upper A little bit of the lower And you could kind of feel it

But you feel your bones Your bones feel like concrete She looks so good Totally normal That was my biggest success on Bosch With what you do with that That must be so satisfying It's like fulfilling

It's the best thing ever happened to me. Yeah. Oh yeah. It taught me, you get good at what you do all the time, so I became very good at doing impossible surgery, but by the same token, you're taking on cases that if they go badly, everybody's going to go, that wasn't fixable. What were we doing human experimentation?

You shouldn't even tried that. Now though, the impossible is quite normal for us to try, just as long as we apply regular surgical principles. So it's been super award. Really cool. I want to take a turn. This is like such a turn. And talk about real estate.

Yes. What you guys have done with real estate is so inspiring to me. I don't know a lot about it. I would love to know how you guys got into it, how you think about it, when you know to buy, when you know to sell. I think it's fascinating. We are accidental flippers. We never meant to be.

We're pretty good at it. Yeah. Yeah. We're experts in it. We never sat down and went, we should buy this house and flip it. Like, that really has never been a conversation. Weirdly, we move every three years. Like my twins, I think they've lived in 11 or 12 houses.

Just for variety to switch it up? No, just because it's how it happened. You know, we got this house. We were living in Bel Air. We had the twins. We bought the second place down in Newport so we wouldn't have to commute. And then the market went crazy. So I threw the house on the market.

Crazy number. And it sold full price. 10 days. They turned out to be criminals. I have no idea how that deal went through, but it did. It did. So you just do that and you're like if it happens great, but if not, we're happy in the house. No other houses, we had knocks on the door.

Honestly, the two we built from the ground up, they were knocks on the door. So they're knocking at your door thing. Can we buy it? Well, literally. Josh Alton knocked. It's called Bird Dogging. Yeah, the last one, Josh Altman, we were good friends now, but I didn't know him at the time. And he was calling me and blowing up my social media, calling my podcast studio.

And I go, who is this guy? Why is he blowing up my go, Terry, you call him? And he goes, oh, there's a guy that wants to see your house. And I went, okay. And this is the only place we lived in for six years because of the pandemic. This is what's commonly known as Chateau Dubrow. Okay, I was going to ask you about the iconic one. That one.

So it was that one. And I designed every square inch of this house. Beautiful. Sealing detail, every edge detail, the furniture, everything. So cool. And no one, and even though it had been on the show, no one really knew the house. Because we had secret rooms and we had a panic room and things that weren't shown. So I said to Josh,

like, yeah, okay, come over. I'll show the house. I went for, I didn't take it seriously. I went for a run. I was like sweaty at a baseball hat on and, and Josh comes in with this gazillionaire and his entourage. And I gave him a tour like I would give it to you. Like we were in my bathroom and I opened, I had drawers that warmed my towels. I already know all about it. I already know all about it. And I was like, touch it. I was zooming in when I saw that. I'm like, oh my God, she's so good at the details. Yeah. I love details. Is this the one with the mirrors and the, like, the, you know, I screenshoted your mirrors that opened up the light. Yes. Oh, yeah, they opened that one.

That's right. Yeah, yeah. See, I've even seen this. So go ahead. But, like, I would stay up at night and think when I was designing it. I was like, oh, wait, the door to the shower has to open the left because the door to the warming drawer opens this. Like, all, where the dumb waiter was, like all these things. And then, of course, I had my ring for champagne in my closet, which rang in the kitchen.

But the design flaw was. I don't know who was bringing me the champagne in the kitchen. I don't. Well, I feel like you need to hire like a Jeeves. Yeah, probably. We've talked about that. We have. You need a G.

Like, you know how Patricia had had Michael? Is that an asked G's reference? Like the old search? Boy, that's. Yeah, wow. Yeah, like, a lot. Like, do you still have AOL? Yeah.

By the way, you just got off of AOL like six months ago. No, I still use it. I still use it. Seriously, the last person using AOL. But anyway, so I gave him this like amazing tour and I really didn't think anything of it. And the next day, he made us an offer. We counted once. Made a deal.

A third highest sale on Orange Can. Johnny history and we had to be out in three weeks. I have a question. This is another tangent question. When you're in Orange County and I've watched a show forever and you sell your house and you've worked so hard on every detail and it's such an incredible house and you like have to tell your friends in Orange County this. Are they like excited for you or is there like there's come on there's got to be weird energy with this. They've got to be like it was on the show. I mean there was definitely weird energy of surrounding. it yet. So there's like, because I think that what I see as a viewer is like, you guys have gone to the moon

and then there's maybe people that are like, want to go to the moon or pretending they're on the moon and they aren't, but you guys like are on the moon. So there's like a jealousy situation going on. Right, but that isn't that so sad? I mean, with my friends that I know are my real friends on and off the show, they're happy for me. It's incredible. It's inspired. And, and, and, and, and, And I am so happy for them. Like I want everyone to be successful. You know, and I would hope that someone would look at that and be like, because this is how I look at people that I aspire to be.

I think, wow, if they can do that, I can do that too. I might have a different road, but I can do it too. Yeah, but for those of you who live in Shattenfreude, our next project, we lost six million on. You know what, though, but here's, again, as a viewer, when you guys came out and said that, I like that you guys are showing that because it shows like you, that life is about ebbing and flowing and there's bumps and win them all.

And this is reality. And you guys had a major accomplishment in Orange County. Like to be the third, you said the third, high sale, that's insane. And then you show this part. Yep.

I like it. It shows like, it shows ebbs and flows. We've done, I mean, honestly, out of all the homes that we've built, renovated,

bought and, old. We are very net positive, but there were, you know, one or two clunkers. You can't win them all. Two out of eight. I think there's like such a message in there. I'm going to just guess though if I'm putting money down that the next one's going to be like, there's going to be something crazy in the next one. You know, it's funny. We are now living, so we bought this penthouse a couple of years before. Do you like that after living in houses? I was actually curious about that. I'm obsessed and you never want to see a blade of grass again. Why? Because I've had grass. It's lovely. Someone else can have it now.

A lot to maintain. It's a lot to maintain. And as much as I loved that last home, it was 22,000 square feet. And I was the manager of that hotel. And it was a big, yeah, that's a big property. And it was a lot. And I don't want to sound ungrateful the house was gorgeous. We had a wonderful time there and made so many memories. But like, and I was always really careful with Terry because he would be at work all day and I would be doing my thing, whatever with the kids. But when he came home, I made sure there was no staff there. Yes, because it almost makes it like seamless and relaxing for him to get off work. So it was private, but I was with people all day long, so I really never felt alone. That is so interesting. So it felt like you were working at a hotel as managing the problem. I was on all. I just felt on all day. Not every day, but most days. And I, we work, the people that work with us are fabulous and I love them. And they've worked with us for 10 years, 15 years, all the things. But it's your home. But still, sometimes you want to be grumpy. And you want to go downstairs, you know, not pulled together or whatever it is, you know? And so that was a little bit difficult. Also, people are bringing all their different energies and their stuff into your house without them

even knowing it. She tried to have even, just, and this is not the same example, but she tried to have her sister stay with us this time in the hotel. I'm like, listen, no. And I'm like, because I need to be sometimes, you don't want to. You said you want to walk around with your balls out. I don't want to be wondering, you know, what they're going to see me in, what kind of condition. But you know what But this penhouse thing, all right, so we got- Tell us about the penthouse. Okay, so this is what happened. So we, it was sort of a lark. We were like, oh, we're going to find a little pietere in L.A. It'll be our place for someday. We'll stay there now, and then it'll be for someday. So we started looking around. I went to every building in Los Angeles, and I like real estate, and I wanted to see all the buildings. And we hadn't lived here in a really long time. So we saw every building, and then we found this apartment. And it was like, you know, the gates opened. And the angels were singing. It was so. so beautiful and perfect, but it's only a two-bedroom apartment. It's big, but it's only two bedrooms. And so, and the view is just spectacular. It's like from the Hollywood sign all the way to the

full ocean and it's amazing. And we're high and it's like being in New York, but on the west coast and it's so cool. And there's 10 people downstairs that can help you at any time. Century City. Okay. That place is coming up over there. We're just looking at office space over there. Yeah, it's so, so great. So we bought this place and 10 days into escrow of buying it. That's when Josh Altman started blowing up my phone for the house. Now, would we have bought that penthouse if we knew we were selling the house? Probably not. No.

So now we have this two-bedroom and we have four kids. Three are in college. One's in high school. So now what we're doing is so stupid. We rented another apartment in the building and we go up and down on the elevator. Hold on, hold on, hold on. I have a hundred questions. Okay, so you stay in the main one.

You go. I would love to tell you that we live upstairs and they live downstairs. But I have a 14-year-old. So we actually sleep in the rental downstairs, and three of the kids have bedrooms down there. And the dogs live in that apartment with us. In the rental. And then I don't even have clothes down there. Who's in the penthouse with the two-bedroom?

So our oldest son lives in L.A. because he goes to school here. So he has the second bedroom upstairs because he's really not there. So I could still use it as a guest room if I need to. And then our bedroom, no one's sleeping there, but it's my closet and my bathroom. don't even shower downstairs. So you guys are going up and down? Yes. There's no way the building can connect them.

They're not right on top of each other? No, but funny that you asked us, trying to buy the apartment underneath us. So you could just, you would just knock it and just do a stair, stair situation? I would probably put just a spiral stair, but honestly, it's like having a private elevator because we're at the top of our stack,

so you can't the other couple of floors above us go to the other elevator stack, if that makes sense. So in our elevator, we're the top. floor okay okay so no one can and the and the elevator doors open into your apartment and you don't miss having a home you like like this is like the chapter that you want to do so for the first three months i so missed the old house because you know you're saying you didn't want relatives in there so you can walk around and do your thing i remember my kids had 15 friends over you didn't notice couldn't hear him yeah the house was so big so you could it was so giant but then did she explain the behind the scenes

that the Wizard of Oz was making it all, like, perfect. I knew about it. You come home, there's no one there. She's been with people all day long. She wants to blow her head off because there's been a million different people and energies and all these people. Totally.

So I knew about it. I could see why she likes the penthouse. I mean, I stopped singing because of that house. Because there was no... Your piano was like in the middle of the entryway. It was like, you know, there was just always people. And then you started to like the penthouse? Now I'm obsessed.

You know, you pull up as one of the nicest buildings in L.A. You know this building, the white one. I know what you're talking about. Yeah, you know it. And there's dorm in. There's like 10 people. And everyone's so nice. And there's amenities.

And you don't have to worry about safety at all. And there's a party room downstairs. And there's a screening room. And there's a dog run. And there's a gorgeous pool. And we have a cabana at the pool. It's like living in a hotel, but you have your own space. The only problem for me, honestly, was that we bought the apartment furnished.

And because we were a little bit transient after we sold the house, we were in some rentals in Orange County. And then we were doing that. that house that failed that we decided not to build. And I hated the fact that it, I felt like nothing was mine. So I finally just, I redesigned the great room in this apartment. And it took a year to do it. And I just finished it. And he's going crazy because-

She won't let me go in there. I won't let sit in it. I might as well put plastic on the couch. I totally get that. I literally understand that from my bones. I wouldn't let him go in my office until it was all done. I know, I still, it's done. I won't let him go, Lauren.

Why won't you let him go in it when it's done? I'm telling you why. Because I'm dirty or something. No, no. Listen, in the Crystal Cove House, that big house that we sold, everyone was allowed everywhere. There was no precious rooms. It was 22,000 feet. We used every square inch of that house.

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in the house that we were not allowed to go in as children. I know, but I've never been like this ever. Ours is next to the dining room. We're living room. I love that for you. I think that you should have that. It's so beautiful. Don't you like unveiling it though?

I like to be like, look what I did. Oh, I let people see it. They just can't sit. We only got to go in during Christmas. That was like Christmas was celebrated in this room. I do hate when people sit on my white couch at my house. Lauren had the bright idea with this, but the one we're moving,

but this one we were in to have three children under five and then get all like white furniture. Yes, good plan. You know what? It hasn't been that bad, Michael. It hasn't been that bad. It hasn't been that good. I don't know. For some reason, I didn't care before. Even though that house was like very expensive and all the things, everyone touched. It was fine. And I know this will be fine too. I just, I'm enjoying looking at it so much. I don't want anything touched. On Housewives, I feel like you're the voice of reason and the logic. Does everyone tell you that? Yes. Because it's like so chaotic. And then you have this person that's like, sometimes you'll like repeat. peep back to them what they said and they like realize the absurdity sometimes sometimes well the audience does yeah the audience realizes the absurdity it's so absurd like they the show needs your point of

you what are we going to do without you what am i leaving i don't know are you i don't think so for some reason i thought you said you were leaving no thank god oh i was going to ask you about that i mean unless there's something i don't know no i thought maybe you were going to move to Beverly Hills on the show. You know what? Here's the thing. You know, people don't really understand distances. It's like, you know, some of the girls live as far as Coda de Kaza.

Right. On our show, which is really far, is that south? You guys don't live next door to each other. No, it takes just as long to drive from there to Newport Beach as it does from Century City to Newport Beach. How many of the real houseways of Beverly Hills live in Beverly Hills? None. That's a riddle. No, one.

I don't know. What do you think there? One. Sutton lives in Belair. Belair. None of them live in Beverly Hills. None. None.

Some live in Pasadena, right? And there's no, I thought I saw somewhere. It was a fake. Okay, that you said, no, that you said that you were leaving. No. Thank God. And I started this show when my youngest child was nine months old, and he's turning 15 in December. So these are my girls, this is my family.

You know what I mean? Like, yeah, when they asked me, I'm a lie detector. Of course, I had told the truth, you know. What did they ask you this for the audience? If you'd rather be a real house size of Beverly Hills, and I said, yes, and I go, it's a shorter commute. And, you know, I'm joking, sort of. But look, it worries me sometimes that there's pieces of my life

that you don't get to see because I am not currently living in Orange County. I mean, will we end up getting like a beach house down there sometime or whatever? I don't know. You never know. We try to buy seven properties there. Yeah, we did a couple of years ago. I also feel like you're one of the only husbands that has kind of made it through unscathed. Meaning like you're scared

I've been scared No but I mean like some of these guys Really go on there and it doesn't end up well for them I you know I've learned to hold my Tong a little bit but even still I still get I you know When I walk on I go oh What are they going to find out about I mean now that I don't know about?

Yeah but you are you are a pro I think also because of all the different things you do you're a pro on TV Whereas a lot of the husbands maybe don't understand You know the world of entertainment Yes I'm so happy that you're not going anywhere because real housewives you do bring the glamour. Like me and my girlfriend, she was just in here, the CEO of Skinny Confidential. She like loves you.

Because there's there is this glamour and glitz that like everyone wants to look at and absorb that you bring to Orange County. And without that, it would not be the same. Well, I appreciate that. And the logic. I don't know. One of the other housewives mentioned that maybe she doesn't fit in because she's a little more liberal. than what you typically see conservative-wise. Oh, I just saw that.

Yeah. And by the way, that's exactly who you want on the show. The thing is, you don't want a show that's like six cookie cutter of the same opinion, the same looks, the same everything. That's so boring. The whole point is it's intersections of people that live in an area and who they are. And by the way, the bottom line with our show is it is about conflict and resolution between us, our relationships, our friendships, and you want differing opinions. I also think to that person's situation,

which she said, I think I'm not watching the show for anyone's political opinion. And to be honest, I don't really care about anyone's political opinion, left, right, whatever. You're watching it, for me, like, I'm watching it to, like, be entertained and check out.

So I don't think that matters what anyone's political opinion is. It doesn't. But, you know, everyone's trying to get clickbait for their show. I think a lot of that's kind of going down now. People have really, I think, got fatigue with that. With like all the political stuff 24-7.

Right. It's always like, we're talking about this. I don't want to pull the political thread through. Right. I mean, we're talking about with plastic surgery and GOP-1s. But somehow people do, right? That's true. But this is escapism.

It's exactly what it's for. Yeah. It's why it's so popular. You want to be able to turn on the TV and half the audience is like, oh, I want to be her and half the audience is like, woo, glad I'm not her. Who are, who is both of your favorite housewives personally on any franchise? Like, who do you guys like? I mean, we just had dinner with Crystal Minkoff and Rob Minkoff.

Yes. Really good friend. Cynthia Bailey. We like her. We like her. So I kind of protect myself. I don't watch the show. So I don't know what conflicts they're having during the season.

So when I appear on the show, to me, they might all be fighting and liking or not liking each other. That's smart. So I go and I go, hey, I actually like all the Orange County Housewives. How are you guys both so logical? in such a chaotic atmosphere. Well, listen, there's definitely times, you know, during filming that I am not. I feel like you're pretty, you do, there's a stoicism, like a calmness about you where

they're all spinning and you're able to like be logical and not emotional. I mean, mostly, yeah, but there was, you know, I guess I was sort of calm then too, but, you know, I would tell you like season 17, maybe. maybe where that was the season everyone was kind of jumping on top of me. See, it remind me of what happened. It was like, you know, everyone was, it was the year we sold our house. It was that year. Okay.

And everyone was kind of like jumping all on top of me and not being nice and all those things. And even though in person I was really calm because it was just all, I was trying to figure it out and it was all so weird to me. But at home, I mean, I was devastated. It was so hard. Yeah. Meaning you were devastated with how they were treating.

Yes. So when you get off work and you come home, it still comes through to the house. Of course because you cannot sit at a dinner with a bunch of women who are, you know, lambasting you for things you didn't do or twisting things you've said. And I know a lot of us go through this, not just me, but in that particular season, you know, this was me. And it was just so devastating. Now, the flip side of it is, I do always say, and I am very cognizant of the fact that at the end of the day, I get to go home. And that was never going home to my big fancy house or this or that. It's, I get to go home to my husband.

I get to go home to my children and to this life. So it doesn't really matter what they are saying about our marriage, our money, my family, whatever it is. It sucks and it hurts. And you get, but when you go home, you go, Oh yeah, I'm home. Yeah, but one of the things that makes you such a great housewife is the authenticity of it. She's sensitive. She says what she means and she's kind.

And, you know, she gets her feelings hurt. And that's one of the reasons they go. They know that they're going to get a reaction out of Heather. But you know why I also think. So they go for the jugular. You guys have been so great and done so well as you guys, from what I can see, we meet a lot of people, have a rock solid relationship. I think a lot of people that go on these shows, they go in with. with the relationship maybe not being,

and we've had people come on and admit to that, not being so solid, and then they get thrown into that environment with the world judging, and I imagine that is very hard to manage. I think it polarizes whatever is currently going on in your relationship. Having said that, you go through things.

I mean, we had one really bad year on the show where off camera we were just not getting along and really fighting, and it was because of the stress of the show. And we had to have a sit down, come to Jesus moment, and say, look, we either have have to figure this out or we're getting off the show. I think though in every marriage that's been 20 27 years there's rocky points and I think people can relate to that. I mean it's not if you're going to be married for 27 years you have to expect some challenging times. Right. I think the audience

as a viewer again I I like seeing that authenticity and then you guys always to me come out of it. No but I guess what I'm saying is like we've had people on these kind of shows come on and said, hey, like the marriage was bad, and we thought doing the show would repair it. It's like having a baby. And they're like, we do, yeah, exactly. And they're like, we'll do the thing and that'll make everything okay. And then it just makes everything way worse. Yeah, definitely.

Yeah, definitely. I would love to round out in the show with you guys telling us why you think and what the secrets are of being in a partnership like you have for 27 years. I think there's a lot of takeaways for our audience with that. Well, first of all, we met on a blind date. And in December, it will be 29 years from our blind date. Really? 29. You didn't even know that.

I know the anniversary. 29 carrot ring. She still wants a gift. She's not 29. For the anniversary of our first date. I find that anniversary to be more important than the wedding date. Okay. So my first date was when we were 12. So what do I get? Yeah. You've been together a long time.

We've not been together as we were 12. But since we're 20, so almost 20 years. Yeah. So why do I get? Because the moment you're together, to me, that's what changed the trajectory of your relationship. So even though like on our wedding anniversary, We go to dinner, we say something nice, whatever. We don't usually do, we usually take a trip. Yeah.

For our wedding anniversary. But like the blind date anniversary is like, that was the moment. Did you hear that? That's the moment. So what are the secrets? Like, what if we hadn't gotten married for 15 years? So we don't, it's only, we've been together five years. Yeah, I agree with her.

What are, what is the, what? But we didn't meet on a blind date. No, but we met when I was 12. So start adding it up. At least start from 20. Yeah, at least. At least. I can do from 20.

Because there was some rocky patches there between 12 and 20. Yeah. I say to split the difference and let's say 20. Yeah. So what do you think makes your partnership so rock solid? I think that for me, I mean, first of all, we're best friends. Yeah. We really are.

You could tell you like each other. Yeah. We love each other. I mean, we like each other. We love each other. We really respect each other. Uh-huh. And look, we've 29 years.

Good days, bad days, good years, bad years. That is just the truth. We had a, I don't want to get too into it, but we had a thing a few weeks ago where we got into an argument and it went really south. And we were very polite to each other for two weeks. And then we had this big conversation and but coming on the other side of it, I said to him, I think last night, I was like, that sucked so badly. Because when I'm upset or I'm happy or whatever, I want to call you, but I'm mad at you. But as much as that sucked, when you come out the other side of something like that, you're so much closer and you go to like the next level. And sometimes that just needs to happen.

And maybe there's things that, you know, are bugging you or whatever, but you don't bring them up because it's not really worth it. And then sometimes, you know, you clash and it all comes out. And that happens. And it's how you get through it. It's how you learn how to fight with each other, how you make up and how you really then need to let it go. It's a big accomplishment to be together as long as you guys have been. It's not, it's very rare. I've noticed a lot of celebrities are divorcing now.

Right at this stage. Yes. Like at the stage that you guys are at? Keith Urban and Nicole Kidman. That's an interesting option. Lori Loughlin and Mossimo. Hugh Jackman. I didn't know that.

Hugh Jackman is almost exactly at this point. Yeah. Yeah. I think there's that seven year thing. There's a certain inflection points, right? This is an inflection point, I think. Do you think it's in a, careful. Maybe this is a question for, I was thinking about some of those.

Do you think it's when the kids start to kind of like leave and they become empty nesters? That's a big inflection point for sure. That's a big deal. Because then you're left with yourselves. Right. We've always been really good at dating each other and prioritizing our marriage. And I mean, look, I love our kids. We have great kids.

But, you know, he jokes like he's ready. We have three gone. One in high school. He's like, the other one could go. Like, we're ready to be empty nesters. Go, go, go. But he's saying, true. But, but I mean, it's not that I want to kick him out.

But it's like, we are now. seeing the light at the end of the tunnel. This is our fourth time going through high school, and we're ready. So my advice, my thing is that you have to, it's all about your expectations, right? You should expect to have challenges, and then when they happen,

expect if you try that this two shall pass, you know, I love that phrase, even with the good stuff or the best stuff, this two shall pass. Don't expect it to stay the same. And you have to learn how to evolve through it. And, you know, a lot of it's chemistry. We have very good chemistry. I know you guys obviously do too. But like when we get into a thing, I literally forget about it the next day. I can't

even remember what it was about. And I'm stewing. And she's stewing. And so the thing that bothers me most about fighting is I know she has her process that's going to go two weeks. I'm going, oh, I'm screwed for the next two weeks. Yeah, that's like, it's like, okay, it's like, I can move on in 20, and I'm like, this is going to be a four hour morning of this, but I'm just, and I'm just, and I'm I'm not even really upset. All you guys both have to do is say yes, dear. It's that easy. Yes, dear.

She asked me the other day, she goes, why can't you just be, like, you're so stubborn and it's be easier if you just said yes, dear? Like, how long do you want to fight for? I'm like forever. Like, I just never, I don't want to fight, but I'm, I'm too stubborn to like I. You're digging in. I'm digging in. I know it's at my detriment.

I'm like a masochist or something. I know it's not smart. But you got to choose those battles. Yeah, I do. I don't, but I do let things. I won't dig in. Give them that advice. And also, I think our dynamic.

is, I'll, I let things go like immediately once it's done. I think it's a Mars Venus thing, honestly. And she hangs. She hangs. I'm not letting stuff. I hang. You have to not let stuff go because then you have to create a boundary. It's like a dog.

You have to like, you have to reprimand them. Or they keep doing it. They're going to be like, oh, right. Oh, ours too. It's like a machine gun of text. The other day I used chat GPT. I was like, hey, chat. This is what my husband did today.

He pissed me off so bad. How would you respond to really nail the point across? Chat GPT worked on a fucking response for me I sent that response Like okay got it Sorry can we move We did that once as a joke remember Yes

Yeah that's so funny But sometimes we do fight sometimes You know the tone is not good So if you separate and start texting It can be better Because it takes some of the tone out of it Oh no she's got a good tone in her text Yeah sometimes you can infer tone and text

Yeah the the okay fine my least favorite word is sure I also have another hot tip if he annoys me so bad I've blocked him wow I'm a savage you blocked him on Instagram

no I blocked him on text you can't even get a hold of her it just goes like the text goes green the message will go I'm like a firefighter by the way he would never know be able to figure it out no if I did that he would need one of our

that would like you Oh, that would not be good. If I blocked you, you would lose your shit. That's why, you know, every once in a while, they're like everyone on houseways, they say their husbands are cheating on them. We all get that. So they were saying about him once. And I'm like, do you know my husband? If he were having an affair, I would have to book the hotel.

I would have to make sure his sleep mask was there and a fan was in the room and there were blackout shades. I'd have to call and make sure he has room and his surgeries. It's true. It would never happen. I walk around life like this. He has a fan in his room at night? Yes. By the way, so do you.

Like it's snowing in the room. Okay. Cold. Bands and snowing and electric blanket. Oh, electric blanket. Yes. Only on my side. And hot.

Why don't you get an eight sleep? A what? An eight sleep. They would give you guys one of those. What's that? Oh my God. It's the best thing. It's a mattress cover and it puts water through the, and you don't feel the water.

But you can, it adjust cold and hot. So in the night, it makes it really cold. And in the morning, it wakes you up with warm. And you could set it to warm the whole night if you want. So you don't even need an electric. It puts you to. It cools your body temperature. We also like the moving.

air and the white noise of it all. You like, they like the movement. I totally get what you're saying. They like the movement of the fan. Yeah. And the sound of the fan. But innate sleep is good too. I like it because you can program different sides for what you, if he likes this.

That's what we do too. So I've got my heating blanket on high. And I have it off. And I have a leg over. Yeah, puts his leg. And then I go, oh, that's a little too warm. And I go like this. No, but you know, I think I've seen a lot of our friends that are our age now that are still

single. and they like nitpick at the littlest thing sometimes in a relationship. And it's like one little thing goes wrong. It's like not out to the next. I'm like it's not always, you know, there's problems with every other. Like my philosophy is like there's grass isn't almost greener. You're going to have to deal with another round of issues with another person. It's like we put in so much time, which just work through it.

But that's very good advice. You don't sweat the small stuff. And it's easier said than done. Yeah. But just when they do that thing, just go, you know, be the hot for teachers. video. You probably don't know what that from Van Halen where a kid starts the video like, just do that and let it go. And because it's not important anyway. Well, between the two of you, too, it's never boring. I can tell you that after interviewing you. It's never boring. That's how

you keep it spicy. Where can everyone find everything you're working on? Your skin care line. Tell us about your new YouTube show, your books, your podcast, everything. Yes. So our podcast is called Between Us. It's on Eyeheart or wherever you get your podcast. Then our YouTube show is going to be exclusively on my channel. So if you just go to Heather Dubrow, you subscribe, please. And it's coming, I don't know what the drop date is, but it's coming out in a few weeks,

the first episode. And it's really fun. What's it called? Oh, and it's called Dr. Mrs. Giddy Pig. Cute. Yeah. And you guys are funny together on TikTok and Instagram. Our kids don't think so.

Oh, we're so cringy to them. And speaking of all the, like, what are the things you're going to do outside? Okay. So, you're going to try N-D. Creatine. Okay. Weighted vests, N-N-D, peptides.

Bad breath treatments Sunscreen Yeah, we're gonna do crash diets That's gonna be hard Are you gonna do the NAD IV? Oh yeah Yeah

Good luck Yeah Why? Because it makes you feel like You're gonna shit your pants No it does I keep telling you it doesn't feel like that That's fine

But you know Ooh I don't know Michael said it like what is it too? No it just feels like someone Well here's the thing it's weird It feels like they're squeezing your stomach But I've had different reactions One time I felt like that

One day I got really congested in my face Yeah it's a histamine response I have a friend that's got a jaw thing with it too Yeah I try to do it fast. I'm going to let you guys be the guinea pig and then I'll just do whatever you guys tell me to do. Perfect. It's like our pain for your pleasure.

We're going to try it out so we'll tell you. But we're subjecting it to real clinical science. I feel like that's another Netflix series or something. Could be. Oh, and resistant carbs. Oh, we did resistant. You heard about this. What's that?

So you ever heard about resistance? So carbohydrates break down into sugars. I mean, sugar is bad, right? So there's this theory called resistant carbs that if you take a carbohydrate like bread and you heat it to make it and then you cool it down, it changes the molecular structure of it. So it has less carbs, less calories. So it's harder to digest. But it tastes the same way when you reheat it and it has a lower glycemic index. There's less glucose and the calories are less.

That's what they say. We're testing that. We did test it, by the way. Yeah, but you have to wait. You have to subscribe to Dr. Mrs. Gitty Pig on Heather Dubrow YouTube channel. We're going to tell you how to eat your carbs and manipulate your carbs. So they taste the same, but you absorb less.

We go out to dinner with people. We get DMs all the time. Like, what are you doing for this? How do you do that? Like, you can't answer everyone. But then we started talking about it. Because obviously, we talk amongst ourselves. What do we want to do to stay young, healthy, longevity, all the things?

So now we're just testing them all and showing you. I mean, after four children, I want to look like this. So I will definitely be watching. We're going to go to four. Oh, I don't know. Well, I have three. She's four. I'm saying after four children, if she looks like this, she's doing something right.

I'm hearing that we could go to four then. It sounds like you had the opportunity to be, have your tubes tied properly. You were asked, weren't you? Then you can avoid the middle. I had vaginal births. Oh. I don't have ozempic vulva. Not yet.

At this moment. There's plenty of time. There's still time. Thank you guys so much for coming on the show. back anytime you want