The Bossticks - Dr. Will Cole & Lisa Odenweller On Safe Cleansing, Detoxing, & Setting Yourself Up For Longterm Health

Episode Date: July 13, 2023

#588: Today we're sitting down for a roundtable talk about cleansing with Dr. Will Cole & Lisa Odenweller, Founder of Kroma Wellness. Dr. Will Cole is a leading functional medicine expert who specializes in clinically investigating underlying factors of chronic disease, & Lisa Odenweller discovered the power of food as medicine many years ago, so she began Kroma Wellness, a brand that strives to change the way we feel about nourishing our bodies. Today we're having a discussion about healthy cleansing. We dive into the idea behind why people do cleanses, how to safely and effectively detox your body, and what everyone should know before considering a cleanse. They also dive into how to prepare for a cleanse, and give lifestyle tips to ensure your detoxes have lasting results. To connect with Dr. Will Cole click HERE To connect with Lisa Odenweller click HERE To connect with Lauryn Evarts Bosstick click HERE To connect with Michael Bosstick click HERE Read More on The Skinny Confidential HERE To subscribe to our YouTube Page click HERE For Detailed Show Notes visit TSCPODCAST.COM To Call the Him & Her Hotline call: 1-833-SKINNYS (754-6697) This episode is brought to you by The Skinny Confidential This episode is brought to you by Harmless Harvest Replenish your electrolytes and keep yourself cool so you can avoid losing yours. Go to HarmlessHarvest.com and use code SKINNY for 20% off your first order. This episode is brought to you by Sephora Check out Sephora's wide variety of clean beauty products at sephora.com/clean This episode is brought to you by Ritual Ritual knows it's basically impossible to get all the nutrients you need from your diet 100% of the time, so they made a multivitamin that helps you focus on what's important. Like filling key nutrient gaps to support foundational health. Go to ritual.com/skinny to receive 10% off your first 3 months. This episode is brought to you by Quince  Upgrade your closet this summer with Quince. Go to Quince.com/skinny to get free shipping and 365-day returns on your next order. This episode is brought to you by The Farmer's Dog It's never been easier to invest in your dog's health with fresh food. Get 50% off your first box & free shipping by going to thefarmersdog.com/skinny . Produced by Dear Media

The following podcast is a dear media production. She's a lifestyle blogger extraordinaire. Fantastic. And he's a serial entrepreneur. A very smart cookie. And now Lauren Everts and Michael Bostic are bringing you along for the ride. Get ready for some major realness. Welcome to the skinny confidential, him and her.

If you don't have that why, it's really hard to commit. So I think you have to be very clear, like I want to feel really good. a reset can help you feel better fast because we want the quick fix. Now you're saying, wait, this isn't as complicated as I thought. Then you actually are in a position where you're like, okay, I can keep doing this. And it's oftentimes, I think, especially within the wellness world or the people that are slightly savvy about wellness, alcohol is one of those things that they don't want to go towards. The alcohol is a missing link for many people, but they wonder, why am I stuck at this plateau?

It's finding that balance. Good food and social is really a big part of enjoying life. Welcome back, everybody, to the Skinny Confidential Him and Her Show. Today we have some veterans of the show, Dr. Will Cole coming in hot again, and our friend Lisa Odenweller from Chroma. And today we're talking all about cleansing, safe cleansing, everything you need to know about cleansing. There's so many misconceptions in the marketplace about cleansing, around cleansing, the healthy way to do it, the unhealthy way to do it.

And so we thought, who better to bring on the show than Dr. Will, who's an expert on the subject and Lisa who has built an entire business all around a smart, healthy, practical approach into cleansing. I am such a fan of Dr. Will. He has come on here multiple times and he just has the best advice and then chroma. You guys, I drink their matcha every single day. It has protein in it. I have to tell you. I do two huge scoops of it with a frost almond milk or frost raw milk and it is the best snack. I also love and Michael loves this too, her cranberry hydration powder. Those are my two picks. You can't go wrong. On that note, let's welcome back to the show. Dr. Will Cole and our friend Lisa Oden Weller to

the skinny confidential, him and her show. This is the skinny confidential, him and her. You guys, obviously, you know, get very, very close to the mic. I'm like you're about to touch it. You don't got to tell him. He does it every week. That's right. I'm going to hop right on. No, I'm telling me. I'm telling a virgin. Lisa is an old pro now, Lauren. Speaking of virgins. Let's talk about virgins to cleanses. Someone is a virgin cleanser. They've never cleansed.

They hear the word cleanse and they immediately are scared off. I have, I think, in my opinion, the two best people on this podcast right now to discuss cleanses. But first I want to go way, way, way, way back to when the word cleanse started trickling into the, to goop to all the places. Was it the juice cleanse that started off cleansing? Sure. Juice cleanses probably, remember the master cleanse? Yep. Oh, yeah. That was the first one. Yep. Maple syrup, lots of lemon and cayenne pepper. Yeah, there's a lot, there were a lot of things that were probably late 90s, early 2000s that were a thing. And I remember there was like a, I actually did this cleanse when I was like 20, where you would go to Rite Aid and you would get this jug of juice and it was called like the old Hollywood diet and you would just sip the juice every couple hours.

I'm sure the ingredients were really clean, too. I was great. I write it especially. I'm sure it was great. So, yeah, so it started off with the master cleanse. And then I, when I first launched a Sini Confidential, all the rage was the juice cleanse. Yeah. Did you do that, Lisa?

Well, that's how beaming started was the juice cleanse. I mean, it was insanity, right? I mean, do you remember the place in San Diego? You'd go get the jugs of juice. Juicers. Totally. I think it was called juicers, right? And you would drink like beets and carrots all day.

long and have like a thousand grams of sugar. And, you know, all of our friends were doing it. And whether you did the blueprint cleanse or any one of the other ones that were out there, but you drink juice for three days, you felt terrible. You had no protein, no fat, no fiber, so no macronutrients. And that was supposed to do what, lose a couple pounds. So, and then, you know, when we started thinking about like the sugar content of it, and I started factoring all of it, it's like 180 grams of sugar, 220 grams of sugar a day. So that was for me coming into this space, I started with how do we redefine the cleanse? This is just, this isn't healthy. It's not teaching you anything. Nothing's changing. Maybe you lost a few pounds. Probably not actually.

Probably really messed up your metabolism. And then on day four, you went right back to pizza and beer because you're so over it. Well, my favorite thing is what I used to do. This is really healthy. Dr. Cole is going to love this. I would do a cleanse like right before I was going to Cabo. So I would do that. That's exactly it. A fucking. Or like juice or like whatever the fuck I was eating air. And then just go down there and rage our face in a lot. And like black out for like a week. Because and then you had like deprived your system.

So like when the alcohol hit you, you were really like out of control. I mean, and that's what I used to say like my friends would party from Thursday to Sunday and juice fast from Monday to Wednesday. So even just where 13 years ago when I decided to start a new way of cleansing with beaming, it was through food. So, you know, been doing this kind of redefinition of the cleanse for 13 years and really focusing on nourishment. How do you eat food and make friends with food and nourish your body so that if you're not starving it, you're not depleting it? And then we're really changing habits and behavior, which is what chroma does?

From a doctor's standpoint, which cleanses are you saying maybe don't go towards? You don't need to like name brands, but just give us some general. No, I think even that term cleansing, I don't even know everything that's out. there because it's such a wild, wild west when it comes to cleanses and detoxes and flushes and all the things. So I would say, look out, just read ingredients of anything that you're doing, right? You want to look at quality more than anything. And anything, I think it's how it's used more than saying it's all good or all bad, right? Because we're talking about juice cleanses. there are better, like with beaming, there are better versions of that. But better doesn't necessarily

mean optimal. And what's the long term, like you said? Like, is it to like cleanse just to go and then binge on junk food? That's the antithesis of what we're trying to educate people on when it comes to sustainable health. So what we tried to do with chroma is really empower people to make it a lifestyle, usually reset as a springboard, but then what's the long game instead of this really it can become kind of a disordered way of eating. It's called orthorexia. It's sort of stressed around healthy foods and then just go back and forth and back and forth. I would say look out for things that are quick fixes and really look for things that are more of a lifestyle.

Orthorexia, you mentioned that. What is that? What gives us like the whole, because Michael probably doesn't know what that means. No, no, we've talked about it. Isn't it when you become so obsessed with food and what you put in your body that that actually becomes a disorder? It's like you can't, you're analyzing literally every single thing that goes in all the time. Yeah, it's disordered eating around healthy foods. And, you know, it's a complex topic, but it's an issue.

And I don't think everybody that does juice cleanses or master cleanses are orthorexic. I'm just saying it's kind of feeding into that diet culture, right, versus wellness, true wellness. Okay, so let's say there's a girl. She's in Minnesota. Let's call her Shannon. And Shannon wants to do a cleanse. I want to talk about, and really why I wanted to have both of you guys on, walk us through the whole roadmap and start two weeks before the cleanse. What are some things that she can do to prepare to have the most effective cleanse?

First of all, I would say two weeks before, this would be ideal. So Shannon's like really up for lifestyle change. And that's part of my job with functional medicine is meeting a person where they're at and kind of reading the room and the science and art of all of this. But ideally, I would like Shannon to prep where she's at. I would decrease what I call the inflammatory core four. These are the four additives or foods that are most likely to mess up your microbiome, mess up your metabolism, drive inflammation levels. So that's going to be gluten-containing grains, specifically wheat.

Look at refined wheat and how much you're consuming. Look at industrial seed oils like vegetable oil, soybean oil, canola oil, right, grape seed oil, maybe, added sugar, which is probably the most. it's hidden in the most things. Look at the grams of added sugar you're having in the day. Familiarize yourself with labels. And fourth would be dairy, conventional dairy. And there are better versions to all the things I just said.

Like you can get like sourdough bread that might be a little bit more digestible. You can maybe look at grass-fed fermented dairies. But for the sake of simplicity, if she could in Minnesota get this decrease that inflammatory core four prior, it'll make the cleanse. whatever good, well-balanced, nutrient-dense cleanse we're talking about, it'll make it more easeful, don't you think, Lisa? Absolutely. No, and I think then you're really setting yourself up for long-term success.

Right. Because if you're going to make the commitment to the cleanse, you really are looking for change. Yeah. And you're leaning into it. You're not sort of crashing through it and rushing through it. You're really setting yourself up for success. You'll actually feel better through it because you're going to start to balance your blood sugar, lower inflammation level.

So as you prep for the cleanse, it'll be a lot more effortless. Alcohol? It would be good to remove that couple of weeks before. At least a week. I would love that. I would love that for Shannon. I would love that. If Shannon were to drink alcohol, which alcohol would you steer Shannon towards?

I have my opinion. I'm going to let Dr. I want to hear your opinion. But I would say ideally prior, I would love if Shannon just did not have the alcohol. Because for a number of reasons, alcohol is a neurotoxin. It messes up your gut microbiome. she will be prepping herself up for success. She will have a lot more of a blissful, enjoyable time.

Again, during the cleanse, we're assuming she's having this clean, nutrient dense foods that love you back anyways. So why not? But if she's going to have alcohol, I would say a low alcohol, dry farm wines would be wonderful, low alcohol, regenerative, biodynamic, mold tested wine. Just go by the giggle water box by dry farm wines that I did with them. I imagine it's all safe. There you go.

Most people are, a lot of people are leaning into cleanses for weight loss, right? Yeah. But like if you were going to convince me to do it, I said, hey, I'm not, weight loss is not my main concern. Like what would be the things that you would sell me on to think about a cleanse? It's interesting. I think you're right. A lot of people, it is weight loss.

But there is a growing amount of people. It's more than that. It may be on the list of things they want to optimize. But it's interesting, the motivating factors, at least with my patients, It's things like fatigue. And the reason I mentioned to your point not to interrupt is because I think when people, a lot of people want to hear cleanse, they think it's just weight loss. And I kind of want to educate people and it could be a lot of other things.

So much. So much. Yeah, exactly. And for people that think it, we're just talking about wayless. It isn't. It's about getting healthy to maybe lose weight, not trying to lose weight to get healthy. Like it may be a natural byproduct for some people. Most of my patients actually, it's down low on the list, if it's on the list at all to lose weight.

It's more about feeling great in their skin. It's about this reconnecting how they want to feel in their own body and feel at peace with their body. So it's fatigue, it's things like brain fog, it's digestive issues, bloating. That's kind of the top things, I would say. In the inflammation in the body. Yeah, the commonality, like, yeah, the commonality between all of these things is inflammation. So they're looking to, they may not word it like that, but that's what they want and that's

what they can get. And so the mechanism of the cleanse is that basically when you do it, it's, it's It just gives your body enough time to rest and recover and clean out all the stuff that maybe shouldn't be in the body. Yeah, you are avoiding things that are most likely to drive inflammation. You're nourishing your body with nutrient-dense foods that actually help to support healthy balanced inflammation levels. Those are the two main prongs of how you're helping your body.

And you're giving your body a break overall, however time you're a few days or however long you're doing it. You're giving your gut a reprieve to start to repair. And especially if you're implementing it. things like intermittent fasting, that's even more enhancing these sort of autophagy and cellular renewal pathways that are, we all have the capacity to do if we give everybody the chance to do so. Yeah. And sorry, the reason I bring all this up is like in the easiest, I think like an easy example to talk about is if you were somebody that consumed alcohol every single day,

you're constantly poisoning your body, you know, body and mind. It's the same thing with poor food choices, right? I just think people don't correlate them in the same kind of way because everyone knows alcohol is a stimulant that has a negative effect to the body and the brain, but they don't realize that maybe it's a seed oil or maybe it's the gluten or maybe it's the added sugar that's doing the same thing. You just don't feel the immediate effects the same way you would with alcohol. Yeah. And it's oftentimes, I think, especially within the wellness world or the people that are slightly savvy about wellness, alcohol is one of those things that they don't want to go towards, right? They're easy to say, well, these foods are inflammatory

or less of those. The alcohol is a missing link for many people. because they keep it in, but they wonder, why am I stuck at this plateau? And, you know, definitely, pragmatically, there are better versions like that wine I just mentioned. But still, I would say taking breaks of it periodically would be good for many people. And I want to just come back a little bit just on sort of how this all kind of comes to be because I think it's really about what's your why. Why are you doing this? Is it, and I think that's what's going to set you up for success. If it's really about weight loss and it isn't really about overall health and wellness, it's going to be really hard to take that two weeks ahead of time to ramp towards that cleanse or reset that you're doing.

So I think you have to be very clear, like, I want to feel really good. All right. And they're either to have a trigger because they don't feel good. So now they're looking for a solution or they just want to optimize because they really want to take care of their health. If you don't have that why, it's really hard to commit. I find just having done this for so long, the hardest thing that people have to give up is alcohol. And so that's the one thing that I think. But what I love about it is, if you can get through a couple of days, like, it's amazing what happens so fast. Your body responds by day two, by day three, yeah, it might be a little bit uncomfortable, but your body will communicate. And it's got a feedback loop. It's going to tell you, it's going to show you that you feel better. You're going to feel that you feel better. You're going to see that maybe inflammation's gone down. Your brain's gotten better. Maybe you've slept better. It might be a little bit uncomfortable. But what I love, is how a reset can help you feel better fast because we want the quick fix. But it's now you're

saying, wait, this isn't as complicated as I thought. And so if it's done right, then you actually are in a position where you're like, okay, I can keep doing this. And that's where we've really approached it was we can give you the tools to keep continuing to live this lifestyle, but still make it work for you. Because I think if it's really restrictive, then people want to, they, they fall off. It's too hard. And if it's too complicated, or if they're, The mountain's too high, people, they don't know where to start. What's the right duration of a cleanse? So is there ones that you can do for two weeks?

Is there ones you can do for five days? What are the pros, the cons, all the things? Well, there's studies that show that even after a few days, two, three days, the microbiome, all the bacteria and our gut, our gut health as a whole, it's where 75% of the immune system is. So inflammation is a product of the immune system. You can make some significant changes in how somebody feels in. two or three days. These are just things like the brainfall can start to lift, the energy can start to increase, the inflammation levels can start to lower. So that's the starting point. So it depends

to their why. Like what are their goals? How long will this take to get to your goals? And that's why I see something like a reset or the chroma reset is a springboard. Let's teach people how to eat in a way that loves them back and then teach them ways to keep this going. Because if you're talking about things that have taken years to get to where they're at now, it's not going to be solved in five days, but at least want you moving in the right direction. So cleanse is specifically using it as sort of a reset. I would say four or five days probably be the minimum for most people, but really, I'm an advocate for making your life a cleanse, more or less. Like you, like, what are things you can do sustainably that love you back that are in alignment with your goals?

That's exactly what I try to do. I try to make a cleanse. like a micro cleanse every day. And Lisa and I talked about this. Like I switched, I'll switch my matcha out or I'll, I'll add the cranberry hydration or instead of like a meal, I'll do the bone broth and maybe like some of the super porch. Like I'll implement the cleanse throughout my day, even if I'm not doing it the whole day. And that's exactly the design of it. I mean, that's how I live. Right. And we talked about it. It's giving you, I mean, you do the program, you find the things that you love, but then you can keep incorporating them. And again, it's meeting you where you're at, finding the things that are going to simplify your life, make you feel

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Do I need to be able to run to the bathroom? That wasn't my first question. That wasn't your first question? No. Maybe the second. Now that I bring it up, though, is it your first question? Yeah. Well, now that maybe you've implanted in my mind.

You don't want to shit your pants on a cleanse, right? No, I don't want to shit my pants ever, even if I'm not on a cleanse. To be honest. Yeah, I didn't realize that was number one question. I'm glad we're doing. I'm like, everyone wants to know. No one wants to know. Now everyone does want to know, though.

Are you shitting your pants? Not if you're doing it right. I mean, to me, that's not normal. Unless you have a connoctomy. I didn't ship my hands. I'm just wondering. Are we speaking from experience? I'm asking for a friend.

Juice cleanses do sometimes tend to get things going. You could see why I would ask that question. Not very common, but okay. Yes, okay, so I could say this. Sometimes juice cleanses, I have seen this sometimes with juice cleanses, where people are having lots of sugar, lots of specifically higher fadmaps. juices, which these are fermentable sugars and like the celery juice, people are really into that with the medical mediums and that conversation. Is that real as the celery juice? Everybody's

talking about the celery juice. I mean, whole foods are generally good. Salary juice has some nutrients, right? And I think what it is, is A, you're getting some electrolytes, you're getting some minerals, some phytonutrients from the celery juice. And they're just, it's giving your body a break from all the junk that people are having. So that's a move in the right direction. But again, because it's better, does it mean it's optimal? But you know, people are going to the store and like getting the pre-made stuff that's better for everyone, I feel like that's, I just feel like that's a placebo. When he has people drinking like bucket loads.

I did it. Yeah, you did it. I did it. I was on the program. I mean, it's a lot of celery juice. That could probably make people some crap their pants. I would say that could be because it's so much fermentable sugar. And a lot of people have SIBO, small intestinal bacterial overgrowth, which you're

having lots of this plant food. It can do it. So that may be what the people that are. are asking you about going like pooping their pants during a cleanse maybe it's that's why okay so you're not going to poop your pants yeah that no that would not be when you're on on a cleanse could be any cleanse what if someone gets hungry what do they say I'm hungry well the great thing I mean you do me to take this take it yeah so I would say that's a major facet of what we did with chroma is bio-individuality because there are people that have higher metabolisms, they're working

out more, they have more of a demand calorically. So they can do the athletic track. They can do the track where they're adding protein and salt. We don't want people to be deprived. Does that mean, at the same time, I want people to get curious with what it actually is, is that I'm stressed out so I want to go for this food. And that's where the mindfulness approach comes, because sometimes it's out of habit or out of stress that we're used to grabbing that food. That's the science and this is that people are going to start to learn about that body talk that what their body's telling them to do. So as a general rule, if they're hungry, they can eat. And most people don't even finish the food that's within the cleanse in and of itself. Yeah. I mean, you're getting 10 things

a day, right? And so when you've done it, have you finished everything? I'm not like a hungry when I've done it. I'm just asking if someone was hungry. But is it the worst thing if somebody's hungry for a bit? Oh, here you goes. Go off. Here you go off. I'm not going to go off. I'm just, go off. No, say I need you were going to say this. Go off. No, he's going to say it. Well, I just think that we, I don't know, I know what he thinks. I think it can be gluttonous sometimes. No, I think people, baby people, it's like, okay, you're a little hungry. Like, tough it out for a minute. Tough it out for 24, 48 hours. Drink a glass of water. You'll survive. You'll be good. You're right that we are lacking a certain level. I'm not speaking for everybody. There's a lot of people where we are just so comforted at all

times that even a lack of like not having access of food right in front of us all day long is So yeah, that's sort of the introspection that I want people have their own sort of realization of what's my relationship with food? Like, how am I using food? Am I actually hungry or just bored? That's a major come-to-jesus moment that many people have to have about when it comes to food in the relationship with their body. People come on here and they go, you know, well, sometimes I get hungry in the middle of night and I have to get up and eat. And I'm like, no, you don't have to get up. You just sit there and go back to bed.

I'm going to be hungry until the morning. That's what people did for the thousands of years. If I wake up, I'm hungry. I go, shit, I'm hungry. Well, I guess I'll eat the morning. Michael gets mad when I eat in the bed. No, that's a whole different story. What are you eating in the bed?

Is it like crummy? Cookie butter. Just one scoop of cookie butter. And I just want to sit in peace for like one minute and eat my cookie butter. And he can't stand eating in the bed. He's very like clean and precise. There's probably worse things, Michael. Yeah, there's worse things.

No, no, no. She's missing. I don't like crumbs in the bed. I don't think the cookie butter. It's not having crumbs. It might, you know. She's not. She's not being the full truth.

I'm not a messy eater. Did you got, like, you guys saw earlier today what she was trying to make on this table. I'm a little actually. There's like a science project right before my eye. All right. What happens to someone's mood when they're cleansing? Are they going to be, Michael, Michael would love to know, are they going to be a bitch? Not if they're nourishing their body.

Look, there's a lot of psychological, mental, emotional attachments people have with food. So that's why I think a mindful approach and the why. is so important because it's like they're north and they know why they're doing this. I think that they're crashing through it and not really setting themselves up for success. Even a nutrient-dense clean, well-formulated cleanse could irritate some people who are addicted to foods that they're not having. So yeah, it could. I think one of the biggest things you can do is, and we put it within the reset, is

electrolytes, is sipping on electrolytes throughout the day, which that will curb a lot of cravings and balanced blood sugar, help brain function. So make sure you're having your sodium, potassium, magnesium minerals throughout the day. I completely agree with you because I noticed I was getting headaches before I implemented electrolytes. And also I do the sauna and the infrared and weight lift. I think electrolytes are non-negotiable. Yeah.

Absolutely. And there's electrolytes in here. You can also add some added sea salt. I love Element too. I think Element, the company, you can add some extra electrolytes. If you want, if you're sweating a lot, doing sauna, working out. out. You can always add above and beyond, too. I think that when the grumpy sort of raving bitch kind of scenario, it exists.

I can't say that it necessarily exists with with chroma. But if you're depleting yourself and you're having, if you're doing something that's six or 700 calories, you're not going to be happy. So I think that's that. That is a truth, right? And there are programs out there that are very minimal. If you don't know your why going into that, you're going to be a raving bitch. You're definitely not going to exercise.

You probably are not even able to function because your body is going through a different process. That is not what we're trying to do with chroma. And we really are trying to set you up for long-term success and give you the tools to thrive by putting good nutrient-dense foods in your body, not deplete. And I think the emotional side of it is, I mean, sometimes they're emotional because we do have such an attachment with food. And then it's like, well, what do mean I can't eat what I want? And so sometimes people will go through this discomfort of, but I want to grab that handful of chips and I've committed and there's sort of a frustration, you get over it pretty quickly because you feel so good. What about if someone has disordered eating in the past?

I always wonder about this. Is someone struggled with anorexia or bulimia and then now they're in, you know, therapy and they're trying to heal? Is it cleansed right for someone like that? It depends on where they're at in their recovery. And I would always recommend getting the go ahead from their eating disorder specialist that knows their case. But again, if we're focusing on nutrient dense, nourishing foods, especially somebody that's in recovery, I see many people that actually feel so good. When you get your blood sugar balanced,

when you actually get your brain working well, that's actually very conducive actually to continued recovery. It's when blood sugar is all over the place and your brain is starving because you're not eating well, it can make a lot of people with eating disorders really white-knuckling it because their body's physically, ideologically dysfunctional. Yeah, good point.

Yeah. So let's say Shannon does the cleanse. She feels great. She does five days. She's coming off. What do you do the morning you're coming off? What's the exact way to come off a cleanse, not in the Lauren Bostic Blackout and Caba way? Well, I think, again, you're coming off feeling clean and feeling good.

So hopefully you're feeling inspired as well. And so there's a couple just key rules of thumb. I think that I think for sure you want to step. I could stay away from the gluten and the sugar, right? For as long as you can, really continue to stay with whole foods, keep eating a lot of plant foods, but also like lean proteins. I wouldn't just go and have a big sandwich. I wouldn't have a big bowl of pasta.

Wouldn't have to go have tequila. I mean, you want to keep the clean going. If with chroma, I mean, you can, you're going to have, you're probably going to still want the porridge. You're probably going to want the matcha. You're going to want to have the bone broth. So you're going to start to incorporate those, hopefully, into everyday life. And then you're going to.

start to ease back into your regular food regime. I think the problem that people have on other programs is that they just go from zero to 100. So they did it. They were miserable. They felt really depleted. And then the next day, they're out having, you know, French fries and, you know, oysters and champagne.

So I think there's such extremes when you do an extreme program. And the way this one is, is it's just like it's so easy. So then you just keep incorporating it. What are some stories that you guys have seen that of people? people being really successful. I've seen so many. I mean, this is basically all that I do. Occasionally talk about it on a podcast,

but I mean, mostly that's 10, 11 hours a day. I'm getting to see people reclaim their health. I mean, one person that always comes to mind, and this is sort of an extreme example, but she always comes to mind because she was in her 90s,

and she was in a wheelchair when I met her. And it's like what we do to seniors, I guess, in our society. We just, uh, they're just taking all the medications. because someone with a white coat said take the medications. And she was really miserable.

And her husband wheeled her into the clinic. And we started implementing these tools of foods that are nourishing, foods that are nutrient dense, resetting your body, which we extended her, quote, unquote, cleanse, but using that aspect of making your life a cleanse, but using the principles that we talk about with chroma to springboard for the rest of her life, she was able to come off with loads of medications.

Her doctor called us up and said, yeah, we admit, like we were had her kind of overmedicated. But she was able to reclaim her health. She's walking with a walker. And it's what she said that makes me think about this 12 years later. She said, I was planning my funeral when I met you. Now I'm planning vacations with my grandkids. Wow.

That's so cool. And how many people that we love that they just doing, they just think that's their best they can do. Like their sort of fatigue and brain fog, anxiety, depression, digestive problems. It's just their lot in life. But they don't realize how resilient their body is when you give it the chance to do so. And it will bounce back. So I want to add on a couple stories, too. Like even my parents, so they're in their 70s, and they did the reset.

And they're healthy and they exercise every day and they eat really well. But when they did the reset, they each lost five pounds, which they got to a weight that they felt really good. They were exercising every day. But what was so amazing is that all the inflammation in the body went away. So they had no arthritic pain. For the first time in 10, 15 years, they, They had no arthritic pain, and they slept better than they had. They slept through the whole night.

That's amazing. Well, the sleeping also has to do with the magnesium that you have in there, which is so smart. She has a packet of magnesium powder in there. I think that, like, to me was like, wow, she's really trying to do a whole 360 approach. Yeah, it works. And magnesium deficiency, if I look at labs, it's deficient in almost everyone.

And it's responsible for our GABA pathways are basically our calming mechanisms. It's an electrolyte that many people need to support their parasympathetic nervous system. Yeah, it's a game changer for many people. Is there a specific magnesium? I like blends of magnesium. I like magnesium thurionate, glycinate, blisscinate. So, yeah, I think a blend over from supplementation and from food is advantageous. You take biceglycinite and 3.8.

Is that good? Yeah, because I know you're wondering what we're taking with that. You're filling up a capsule or a pillbox? No, every night he makes me a vitamin water. But I, yeah, and then we take, we take some gabba too at night. But I was going to ask you specifically when you see people outside of magnesium deficiencies, when you look at inflammation and the gut specifically, are there certain things that you're like, that they're the main culprit for this information, maybe alcohol aside because we know that one,

but are there certain foods or things that people are doing that's like that is a root cause that is causing this information. Yeah, I would say it's a combination of the inflammatory core things plus alcohol. Like when I meant gluten-containing grains, there's industrial seed oils, sugar, dairy. That's got to be most people a combination of those things day in, day out, cumulatively. That's the biggest problem. And then the stress and I think unresolved trauma up there, too, of things that can perpetuate inflammation as well. This is so random, but one of the main questions that I get asked on Instagram story are what Zaza's sheets are. So they're by quints.

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So if the labs are coming back, quote unquote, normal, either you're not running the right labs or you're not interpreting the labs appropriately or both. It's a great example. But 99% of people just think, okay, well, the labs are the labs. I'm in the norm. Even though I'm having digestive issues or inflammation or brain fog. Yeah. So that's where more comprehensive labs really are helpful to shed light on it. A lot of people right now especially want a free lunch. And what I mean by that is they want to do the OZempic shot, the WeGavi shot. You guys have heard this. Oh yeah. And a lot of people are doing it. And saying they cut sugar or they're on a low carb diet. to L.A. and I'm like, what's going? I'm like,

everybody in L.A. cut sugar all of a sudden. Everyone's like, I cut sugar. I'm like, okay, what's really going on? What is you guys' opinion on that? Because listen, it seems great to be able to just do something and lose all this weight. But I feel like it's a free lunch. And I think that we haven't even begun, we haven't even began to see what is going to happen with this. It scares me, but I want to hear Dr. Cole's response.

Yeah. Look, I think could it be a tool, a short-term tool for some people, possibly. But I don't think you're going to inject your way out of a poor diet. So could it be someone that gets all like this foundational stuff underway and this medication, which I would not advocate for, but I'm saying for someone that's choosing to do it, looks at the risk factors, are they a good candidate for it? Could it be take them to the next level a little bit? Possibly.

But it's not a long-term solution. Like, what's the end game? That's what my mind goes to. And then I want to actually ask you, like the metformin craze and all this. Like, is there a side effect to this? Yeah, you look better. But what happens when you stop? And is there any other concerns that, you know, from any of these injections?

And oftentimes metformin or glucophage is paired with these other injectables. I mean, the goal, right, is to modulate insulin and leptin. There's a vast majority of people that have insulin resistance and leptin resistance. There are just more effective ways, in my opinion, without the potential risk factors that come with these medications. But look, low doses of them, short period of time. Could it be a needle mover for some people? Yes. But ultimately, in functional medicine, I'm like, what's the most effective?

That's the least amount of side effects. And what's the most, like, sustainable solution for you? But my metformin doesn't have tons of side effects. It does deplete methadoneers, meaning B vitamins. It can raise homocysteine levels. So there are some side effects to it. And that can make you shit your pants for sure. It glucophage can for sure.

listen, I'm not coming from this from a medical standpoint, but I'm just thinking about muscle mass in general. And I feel like when you drop weight that fast and you don't factor in the loss of muscle, and then you come out of that and you're like, okay, now I don't, now I've lost the weight, but I've also lost the muscle. It's so hard to build that back up. And muscle is obviously going to help you burn fat and stay in shape and all those other great things. To your point, I don't know about the other, the medical long term is, but I feel like from a muscle standpoint, it can't be good for muscle growth and sustainability. Yeah, it's ultimately a bypass.

Can it help some people? Yes, but it's not the foundational stuff that we're plaguing so many people when it comes to losing weight. Well, and it freaks me out because my friends will send it around like, oh, everyone's losing this weight and so so and so lost 30 pounds. I'm going to try it. It's the self-prescription that freaks me out. But that's what I'm saying.

If you drop 30 pounds that fast, you got to factor that a lot of that's going to be your muscle. Well, another thing no one's talking about is Dr. Dennis Gross was on this podcast. And I asked him this question. And he said, when you lose weight so quick, it makes your face sort of sag down. And you can't just gain weight to have that plump back up. That's not how skin elasticity works. So people are also not thinking about the quick weight loss on the skin of the face and the knees and the boobs.

I mean, when you lose weight that quick, it sags. Okay. If someone is insulin resistant, what can they do that's natural? Well, instead of like a medication. Well, I mean, look, it's upwards of 70, 80% of the United States is insulin resistant to some degree. And it's a spectrum. I mean, from mild insulin resistance, metabolic syndrome, all the way to type 2 diabetes and PCOS and other types of hormonal problems that are driven by insulin resistance. I mean, going back to what we said earlier, like decreasing those inflammatory core four, we'll do a lot to start to balance blood sugar levels and,

get you feeling well. There are herbs that can help with as blood sugar balance. Actually, a lot of the herbs that we use here, adaptogenic herbs are really good supporting blood sugar. Cinnamon's a great way to support blood sugar. Milk thistle is a great way to support blood sugar. So there are more natural ways. Chromium is another one. Yeah. If someone wants to do this cleanse, who has the best results? Is there a certain kind of person? Is it someone who is maybe really busy and they can implement it easy. Is it someone who's not so busy? What have you seen the best results?

So I think the people are the early adopters are the ones who already get it, right? They're the ones that are already used to doing things like this and this is very familiar. And that's great and they have great results. The ones I get most excited about are the ones that are stepping in for the first time. So like your mom and dad. Yeah. I mean, they're healthy. But like for them to have those results and completely transformed their how they think

about food and how they start their day. I mean, that just, we hear those stories all the time. And I mean, the outpouring of I've tried everything or I didn't even know where to start. And this was the one thing that finally got me to make a better relationship with food. It helped balance my adrenals and my hormones. It helped them feel good in their body maybe for the first time. And so talk about a, you know, a motivation. Like you don't want that to change.

So I love the stories of the people who. who this is really, you know, whether they just are overwhelmed and don't know where to start, this is so easy that that's just a really easy way to sort of launch that. Or the people that are in between and they go yo-yo all the time because they have such a busy life. They can't, they don't have time to think about it. And they can't do these extreme programs because they can't shut their life down for five days. So I think it really fits for all types. I mean, you can have the extreme athlete too who just wants to improve performance.

I love the stories of the people that this is really, this is, transforming their lives. A lot of celebrities are big fans. I've seen this on a lot of celebrities, Instagram's, Instagram stories. Has any celebrity come out and actually talked about their journey with this? Yes. A lot of them do. I mean, I think this is something that they do anyway, right? This is part of being a celebrity, I guess. I think what they say is this is what we hear from everyone. Like, it works in that I feel really good. And if they needed to lose a few pounds for the red carpet, it great, but they feel really good and they've got the products to continue to incorporate. I would say, yeah, there's a lot of celebrities that do it and it's great because they help to tell

the world and what we really want to do is just get it out there and have more people get to experience it. Well, I am such a fan that I harassed you again to come back on to talk about cleansing tips and tricks with Dr. Will. I have your products like not when I'm not cleansing all the time. The ones that I would start with you guys, the matcha is. superior. It is so fucking good. The macha is the best macha. Like a little bit of almond milk, froth it up. It's, it's the best. And then the cookie butter, the cookie butter is sick. I mean, I have it every single day. I have a scoop every single day. And it has like goji berries in it so it. So it's so good. And then I love the super porch. Sometimes if I'm doing a really

hard workout, like if I'm weightlifting, I'll add a scoop of protein powder in there. It has protein in it, but if I want like extra protein and I don't want to taste like chalky protein, it's so good. So I'm a big fan. And the bone broth. And the bone broth. And I will be doing the cleanse before Cabo, but I'll give it a little space after this episode. I'll give it a little space.

I'll give it a week, right? Dr. Well, you could do it in Coppa if you want. No, no, no, no, no, no. Let's be realistic here. Chips, salsa, guacamole, margaritas in caud. But you know what? So when you go on the vacation, though, when you feel. feel really good. You're probably less inclined to like just lose it. Like the wheels aren't going to come off.

I know, but I also can bring some of the stuff on the flight. Exactly. And when you're there, like I just went to Cabo twice in the last couple of weeks. And I had my porridge. I had my macha. I had the bone broth. Like I still did it. And then I enjoyed, you know, the latter parts of the day. You got to have chips. You got to have chips. Can we do another giveaway? I didn't ask you this off air. Is that okay? We should totally do that. Okay. What can we give away? Let's give away. Let's give away. we had so many people that wanted it last time. Let's give away three resets. Three?

Yeah, we're going to do three. Oh my God, you guys. That's so nice. Okay, we're going to give away three resets. All you have to do is follow at Chroma Wellness on Instagram and tell us your favorite part of this episode on my latest post at Lauren Bostic with Dr. Will and Lisa. Definitely listen to Lisa's story too. She was recently on the podcast and she tells her whole background.

And right now we're podcasting with Dr. Will alone so we can get more details. Where can everyone find both of you? Pimp yourself out. I'm at Lisa Oudanweller on Instagram and of course, Chroma Wellness. At Dr. Wilcole on Instagram, Dr. Wilcolle.com. I'm trying TikTok out.

I don't know what the heck I'm doing, but I'm trying it. You just have to throw yourself out there. Yeah. It's like a cleanse. I'm not there yet. I follow you on TikTok. Are you on TikTok?

Not really. You need to get on. I know. If you don't plug your podcast, right now, I'm going to just lose it on. Plug your podcast right now. I'm sure. I just assumed everyone knew.

My podcast is called The Art of Being Well Every week, new episodes That's right. That's right. Let's move the podcast. I was on that one too. We had a great conversation on that one. Yes, it was great. Thanks for giving us all the tea, literally. Thank you.

I just drink three cranberry hydrations, a macho. I'm glad you didn't have a macho explosion. I didn't have a macho explosion. We saved her from that. Also, do you want to do a code? Oh yeah, let's do the skinny 20. Skinny 20. You guys go use it.

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