The Bossticks - Emily DiDonato On The Secrets Of Modeling, How To Model, How To Create An Online Presence, & Advice To New Moms

Episode Date: November 10, 2022

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cookie. And now Lauren Everts and Michael Bostic are bringing you along for the ride. Get ready for some major realness. Welcome to the skinny confidential, him and her. A-ha. Try not to compare yourself to other people. I think we've been plagued and bombarded with like a very specific image of like how you're supposed to look as a woman and like for me as a model like I'll never forget I reached this point when I was like a size six and I would fluctuate too between like a four or two and eight and I was all over the place but I had one manager who was like by my side and really passionate about me and I was like listen I can't keep trying to be smaller smaller smaller I need to be like this and I need someone to support me and like help me find jobs of people who want me like this.

Emily D. Donato on the podcast today. She is a mother. She is a wife. She has been featured on the cover of numerous magazines such as Vogue, Marie Claire, L. N. Moore. She's major, you guys. She was the face and spokes model for Mabelene, New York for over 10 years. She's also modeled for brands like Armani, Juicy Couture, Ralph Lauren, and so many more. But she's super passionate about promoting health, wellness, skincare, and promoting body positivity. I was really interested to have to have. her on the podcast because I love how she's utilized social media. She has really involved her followers in building her brand called Covey Skin Care. And she's really interactive with the brand. And she's taken the brand and sort of content marketed her skincare routine to create Covey.

So having her on and hearing about her journey with body positivity and her struggles and her postpartum struggles. And then this launch, being an entrepreneur and being a mother is just so interesting and inspiring. I think you're going to love this episode. On that note, let's welcome the glowing, the amazing, the beautiful Emily to the skinny confidential him and her show. This is the skinny confidential him and her. What was the first moment that you were recognized as a model? Did someone come up to you or was it something that your parents pushed you into or that you wanted to pursue? Oh, like being discovered, you mean? You could call it discovered or maybe you're at the gas station.

Someone came up to you. Okay. So I was scouted technically at a mall in Connecticut, the Danbury Mall, to be specific, great mall. So I'm from upstate New York originally. I was there shopping with my mom. And there was this modeling competition happening there where people were going on stage and like walking a runway.

But I was literally like 16 at the time. So I was there with my mom. I'll never forget. I was in like sketchers sneakers, like just walking around shopping. Someone came up to me and they were like, hey, it was actually one of the agents. like I never forget it. They think they were from elite. And they're like, you should come do this thing that's happening over here. You can go on stage. And then you like win a trip to New York City and can sign with a modeling agency. And me and my mom were just like, okay, like sure. So I went over

there, went on stage. Like it was nothing. And then I met like 10 different agents from different agencies. And then I ended up signing with one of them after that. And then within a week, I was literally working as a model. Like I was shooting Ralph Lauren that week. It was pretty wild. You have beautiful blue eyes. I mean, when you were growing up, though, people must have told you all the time. You're so beautiful. I feel like I was like most teenagers had my awkward stage. I had braces and was very dorky and kind of not very dorky, but very athletic, did not feel comfortable with like my femininity. So I felt like I didn't blossom until like I got my braces off and like 17, 18 years old, I feel. I don't mean to brag, but I had braces too when I was

dating Michael. And I went clear. And you can't go clear because I had fucking like pizza on the braces and the rubber bands and then Michael and I would make it was a whole thing but yeah I relate to you I really I do remember those braces though and it was it I did have to you're why do you remember I mean how could you forget how could you forget okay so once

you get right into Ralph Lauren and that's like crazy I mean that doesn't happen to one of the most iconic brands in the world totally so what is that like you're thrown into that so I was thrown into that photo shoot I brought my mom because I was just like I can't go anywhere alone

I was like a junior in high school. And I went to the photo shoot and I remember I was so awkward and I didn't know how to pose and I didn't know how to do anything. There were people that were literally like placing my hand on my hip and like putting a leg out. And they were like, okay, just like stay like that because I was so green and had no idea what I was doing. And all the other models, I'll never forget. One of the other models was Hannah Jeter, who's now married to Derek Jeter at the time. She was not, who's one of the most stunning people in the entire world. And I was just watching her model and being like, okay, if I just like copy her, this will work, which did work.

But yeah, it was definitely, I felt like I was like, wow, this is happening very quickly because for so many models, they come from all over the world and they work their asses off. And like, it takes years sometimes for people to really hit their break. So I felt really lucky early on that I had great momentum. And I think if that hadn't happened, I don't know if I would have continued as long as I have. Meaning like if you had to do what all the other people were doing and like not go through the scouting process, you would have just like, no, this is not for me. I think like, you know, when I first started modeling like 12 years,

ago people would come from like Eastern Europe, Brazil, and they would be doing shows and shows and going to all the cities. And, you know, you don't even get paid to do runway shows. And they're really like beating the pavement out there. And I admire them, but I just like don't think I had the spiritual strength to like what I see some of these girls do and endure. Well, this is very disheartening for me because I was always hanging out in the malls back in the day. And nobody ever popped up to me and said, get on the stage. No one could see you. There's still time. Yeah. Taylor, go find me the nearest mall. I'm going to go creep around and hang out. Maybe somebody will find me. When you look back on your whole modeling experience, what are the things that you think have really helped you in a lot of ways?

Like maybe it's made you more confident, whatever it is? Or what are the things that have not? Like pros and cons? That's a good question. I think what has helped is like as a model, you work with different people almost every single day. Like you never see the same basis. You're in different countries working with new people. Some people don't speak English.

Sometimes you're thrown into very strange and weird situations and asked to do. weird things and I felt like it did force me to grow up very early on and kind of learn how to speak up for myself early on because I would be in situations and you're treated like an adult even if you're like 15 16 I've seen it on set. So you're kind of like all right I need to like set my own boundaries and figure this out and like figure out how to navigate these situations or complicated situations or very tense situations. There's many people, many cooks in the kitchen you could say. What's a tense or complicated situation? My mind goes to a very dark place. So I need to, I want to understand this little more. I mean there's many different variations of that. Like it can

you like just tenseness between like a photographer and an art director and the client who all want something completely different and they're just like fighting in front of you. And then you're just the model standing there being like, can someone just tell me like what you want? Like I don't know. You just have to tell me someone. Or then there's tough situations where you don't get along with a photographer or maybe you're getting weird vibes from them or like the energy is off. Like that happens too. And you're just like, all right, how do I navigate this and get through this day and do my job and be professional? But also like keep my boundaries and like get what I want out of this day. How many perves are in this industry? Is it really pervy?

Like, let me ask you this. Listen, let me ask you a different way. Teddy, your daughter. Yeah, gorgeous. She wants to get into modeling at 15. She's shaking her head. No. Okay. Like, what's the advice there to her? Like, it's your daughter. So is the industry like, would you, you don't have to say it's gross, but I'm just saying there's circumstances it seems where, where young women are put in situations that they shouldn't be in. Well, caveating it that there's probably a lot of great characters in the industry, but there's, like, anything else, there's bad apples. And so, like, thinking about that.

Yeah, I think it kind of links back to your previous question to, like, what was not good that I got out of it. And I think, like, things have gotten a lot better. I think as time has gone on, there is a lot more inclusivity. People cannot be as mean and as crude as they used to be when I started 10 years ago, because now they'll get called out on Twitter or Instagram or something like that. But I think when I think of my daughter doing it, I think what was not good about being in. in this industry was like, you know, I was 17 years old. And at a very young age, I was being judged and critiqued by my physique and being told that I was too big and too fat. And, you know, I was actually having this conversation with my friend Kate Bach. And we were saying we would fly all the way to

Europe at a certain time of year for like shows or for castings. And we would go see our agents. And they would be like, hey, thanks so much for coming and making the trip. But don't let anyone see you like this. Like you're very fat. And if we have like a big client seeing you right now, your career will be over. They said it like that. A hundred percent. And me and Kate were like, that was like really traumatizing. When we were 17 years old, like you get off a flight, and you're like, okay, I'm going to go see my agent. You're like ready for your digitals.

And they're like, hey, so glad you came. But like, you look awful. Like, what happened? You know what my favorite part about that is? Is like, what did they look like? You know, like, it's like, yeah, exactly. You're not going to say it. They weren't getting scooped up in the mall or they're living here.

They're not getting scooped up in the mall or at the gas station working for Ralph Lauren. But at 17 years old, they're an adult. You feel like a kid and you believe them. Like, you're like, oh, my God. God, I do look horrible. Why did I show up like this? Like, why did I eat that muffin last week? Like, you are so hard on yourself.

I used to be. One of the reasons that I really wanted to interview you, and this is where I'm, like, so curious about you, is you seem like you have a very strong foundation. You're very confident. Like, when you meet you, you're like, it's a confidence. You're glowing. How did you take those experiences from modeling of people telling you,

hey, you're really fat, you shouldn't have eaten this to now? Because, I mean, have you always been confident and you born with it? No, no, no, no. I've definitely not always been confident. I think, like, what kept me confident in the industry, like as a model was like, like I mentioned, I had great momentum. Like, I signed my maibling contract when I was 17 years old and I was with the brand for 12 years. Like, I had only been modeling for six months. So I was kind of like, I solidified my name and kind of got this great, like, contract that was lucrative. And I kind of like set my got my place there. So I was kind of like, okay, that's great. And then it was like sort of the high fashion stuff where I wasn't quite the right fit or whatever you want to call it and people

would criticize and say I was too big and too fat and too curvy and athletic and so on. So I think I was like, okay, I'm not the right fit for everything, but I have this really great thing going for me or a couple of really great things going for me. So like obviously something is working out. But I also think in terms of like confidence, like I'm from New York. My family was really close by. Like my parents were just like normal, wonderful, grounded people. And I felt like whenever things got rough and I was living in Manhattan and like having a update, I like went home to my parents and I like cried. And they're like, well, we love you.

Like it's fine. Like I do think that strong foundation of family being close by was very grounding for me. Also very different from so many other models who come from so far away. The other models. If I was modeling, I'd want to hang out with you. Because you seem like really good energy. There's got to be some kind of. of catiness behind the scenes. It's so interesting. I was just having that conversation with another

model on set the other day. I think that there are certain sets and brands that actually breeded like a competitive energy. And I actually wasn't on those sets. Like I was, you know, I think, I'll just say, like, I had always heard rumors that like the Victoria Secret commercials with Michael Bay, like, girls were like fighting for the spotlight in the center stage. And like, there was so much cattyness. But I was on like mabling sets, which is all beauty and all the girls were so nice. It was like me, Adriana Lima, Christy Turlington, Gigi Hadid. Everyone's like so nice and jolly. Like I felt no competitive spirit. But you definitely run into girls who get there and they're like, how am I going to like maximize the situation, be the center of attention, whatever it might be.

But I also don't really like get caught up on that because I'm like, I'm just here to like work and then go home. It makes me really happy to hear that Adriana Lima is so nice. So nice. I mean, so chill. I was really worried for a second. No, no, that makes me happy to. here. She's a, to be so beautiful like you and her and also be nice, it's so important. A lot of, like, the most successful models that you probably think of, like, they're successful for a reason because they're good at their job and, like, easy to work with and have, like, good personalities. By the way, in my opinion, if you're pretty and you're not nice, no one cares. I'm sorry. If you're not a nice person and you're not kind and you don't treat, like, people

like, like, there's nothing worse when you're out, I mean, we all know this when you're out to dinner with someone and they're so rude to the weight. Like, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, shows so much about their character. Yes. I mean, to me, like a pretty face, like if you're not a cool, nice, welcoming person, I don't know. Yeah. I'd have some depth. And especially in this industry, like the amount of beautiful women, it's abundant. They're everywhere. Right. So you do have to kind of be a good person and put your best foot forward when you show up to set. Where did you think that we got to a place when a size six is borderline plus size? And just to give Mike, do you know what a size six? Do you know what a size because I feel like you don't.

No. Okay. And I don't want to try to guess at it because there's no way I win there. It's like, I mean, it's, it's, I don't know how to explain it in men's terms. How would you, I don't know how to explain it. Is it a medium? Yeah, it's about a medium. A medium.

Yeah. Like a small medium. Yeah. It's a small medium. Yeah. Because I never got sizes because there's like a two, negative two zero. What is it? I've told you all about sizes.

I know bra sizes. Yeah. You know bra sizes. Okay. Let's just, okay. All right. Let me do that. That I got a PhD in. A size six is about a big B. Yeah. That's how we'll explain it. That's right. So it's not like we're like, how is a size six borderline plus size? I think it was just like it's not even about being plus size, you know, in fashion, especially 10 years ago. There was a sample size and nothing else. There were no other options. Like when you would go to a set, whether it be for a commercial job or high fashion job or an editorial, they have the sample and nothing else. And when you see the girls walk, walking down the runway in a sample, they're a double zero, which like...

Meaning like that, like, so the, when you say sample size, that's the clothing's there, it's only comes in that one size. It only comes in that one size. If you're not that size, you can't fit it. Exactly. And it's like the measurements are like a 34 inch hip, which is like, I don't think I've ever had a 34 inch hip in my life. So I understood like when I would go to jobs, like, I would make a stylist's job very

difficult because I never fit into a pair of pants or jeans that were ever on a set. Like I have had so many situations where all the pants were completely opened in the back. and it was basically like I was in chaps. Like they always had to kind of make accommodations. But at the time, it was rare. It was exotic. It was different. Like people would always be like, oh my gosh, what a fresh air.

Like breath of fresh air. You're a size six. And I'd be like, yeah, I hope you have a pair of pants that are going to fit me today. At what point did you start, your wheels start to spin? And maybe it's when you're 16, maybe it's when you're 21, that you wanted to have the modeling world be the foundation. and you wanted to use it as a springboard for other things? You know, it's interesting. I think that I had always known that I wanted to use my modeling career to like springboard

into other things because it's interesting as a model when you're 17, 18, 19 years old, that's the peak of your career. There is like no other career like that where like that is the peak except for maybe an athlete. So whenever I was 17, 18, 19, 20 and the peak of like my career, people would be like, what are you going to do after this? Like when you turn 30, like, who like what's next? And I would always be like, oh my God, what is next? What am I going to do after this?

Which is why I felt like I took it seriously when I was like, okay, I want to like start doing content creation. I want to be an influencer. I want to be a blogger. In like, 2014-15, I was observing what was happening. And I was like, I want to do what those people are doing because everyone in my industry was mad because influencers were taking modeling jobs from like models. And I was like, well, I don't care. I'll just figure out how to do what they're doing. And then obviously later on launched my skincare brand Covey and kind of used my content creation background slash like platform to like bounce into that.

So I kind of always had in mind, like, this is the peak of like my modeling career. So what is next? Because people remind you, they're like, yikes, when you're 30, it's all over. And I'm like, what? I'm just getting started. Now I am. Yeah. I think the point of this interview so far is don't listen to what anyone else said. And how have you always been entrepreneurial? Because it sounds like you have that side of the brain. Yeah. I think like as a model, what I liked about it in some ways is like, you know, it's creative and I would go to work. But the thing is people tell you what to do. and what to wear and how to do it. And you don't have a lot of say. You're really like just kind of a prop in someone's like bigger picture and vision. And I think I always wanted more creative say. And I always wanted to be more involved. And like content creation actually kind of led me to be able to do that at first. Like I was like, I like this.

I edit my own videos. I create my own content. I do my own version of the campaign, the behind the scenes, like my lens of it. I always wanted my own take on like to give my own take on what was going on behind the scenes. So content creation led me to that. And then I felt like the entrepreneurial side just came out like with my skincare brand Covey just came out of like being in the industry for so long. Beauty was mostly what I did.

My skin was my life, which led me into like that side of things. I want to go back to when you decided that you were going to switch to content. Yeah. What did that look like? Were you married at the time? Walk us through that. You had not obviously had your daughter yet. I had not had my daughter yet.

Yeah. So I think it was like I had not, I was not married yet. but I got married shortly after. But I'll never forget when I started kind of trying to take the more influencer route on Instagram. I was posting like the cheesiest photos of me like pretending to stretch and like pretending to drink a green juice. Because I was just looking at what like bloggers were posting and I was like, this is what they do. But like then I would go to work as a model on like legit shoots and people would be like, hey, what is your Instagram? Like, why are you doing?

Like, why are you posting like fake photos of you? And I was like, I'm not sure yet, but I'm figuring it out. It was the same thing with YouTube when I started my YouTube channel. Like I was doing legit cover shoots for like Vogue and all these different things. And I would go to set and people would be like, are you like a vlogger now? Like, is that what you really want to be doing? Like you're so brave. I'll never forget.

You're so brave. And I was like, you know what? I feel like I feel a little awkward doing this. I'm definitely stepping out of my comfort zone. But like three years later, those same exact people were the ones who were like, hey, so I'm thinking about starting a YouTube channel. I'm like three years too late. Like I'm already like.

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When you're posing for the cover of Vogue, do you have a tip for us? Just like a quick tip on like what to do. We got a cover shoot coming up. Yeah, I just want to know like, is there something I can like do in my face? So actually one of my most popular videos on YouTube was like how to pose. It has like three million views. But I think like for face, a couple of things you can do is put your tongue on the roof of your mouth, which carves out your jaw line.

It was like otherwise. That gives you kind of like nice chin structure. And then always, I always lift my brows a tiny bit. You got to give them like a little bit. Otherwise, you look dead. Oh my God. I'm fucked. My brows are falling down my face.

Your brows are by your dick. I can't even see. I don't know what's lower your brows or your balls. Call Dr. Jason Diamond. Give me a brow lift right now. I'm done. I'm done. Yeah, there's many ways to accomplish it if you really want to.

But like I guess Tyra called it the smyze. But, you know, lifting your eyebrows a tiny bit, tongue onto. the roof of the mouth, give yourself that jawline, and a little bit of a smyze. I'm like, Tyra was right with that. But you got to look a little bit awake. You can't look into the camera, like deadpan, just looking like you're staring into space. You got to, like, think about something that you're excited about or whatever the mood of the shoot is. Maybe you're supposed to be angry or I don't know. But those are my few tips. But the tongue on the roof of the mouth thing is very legit. I'm going to do that in every single Instagram story you guys ever see me

post. Is there anything that I can do with my, with the body that, like, is like, very flattering. I see, like, I'll see celebrities do something with the hip. Like, what can we do in a photo? I mean, it's always good to, like, create space, like, in between your legs. Like, this is kind of creating a nice triangle so you can see your waistline. Obviously, you don't want to keep your limbs and your legs all close together because then you just look like a carrot. I'm doing absolutely everything wrong. Like, as long as you kind of create some space, show off your waistline, you know, throw out a hip.

So you can, like, give yourself some curve. and also tilting your hips back, almost like pushing your butt back so that it kind of like gives you that arch. She's good at that part. Gives you some arch and gives your legs like a nice shape. Those are amazing text. Oh, I hope so. I hope everyone at home can like.

I can see why that has three million views. Yes, I really went into it. And it's so Zoolander, but all models know it. They all have their things. At what point when you launched your YouTube, you're hearing all these naysayers about your Instagram account, at what point did you start to see traction? Do you remember that moment? Yeah, it was like pretty quickly. I started getting like millions and millions of views on my videos. And I would talk about like my everyday makeup, what I learned on set. I spoke about skincare a ton

because I loved skincare and I loved beauty. And that was the world that I was in. I would primarily did beauty as a model, it's based in mebeline, biotherm, this big Armani fragrance. Like I was like, I'm a shoulders up gal. Like that was my life. So then shortly after I was posting a lot of videos about beauty is when I got so much engagement, so many views. They were so into it. I was so into it. And I was like, this is clearly like my thing. So I ran with it. And then when do you decide to do a skincare line? Yeah. So like I mentioned, like skin was my life. It was so important. And I had come from the school of thought as a model that more was more when it came to beauty, right? Like I was like, I would put every single product and thing on my face that anyone recommended. But I would go to work and my

skin would literally be falling off of my face. Like makeup artist that I work with consistently would be like, what are you doing now? And I'd be like, but I use Lamar and I use this and I use this. And like, it ended up that like less truly was more. So we partnered with the dermatologist Dr. Julia Roussack discussed with her. And it was like, we really wanted to carve out what are the key products that you need in a routine, what are gentle ingredients that truly work that are nourishing, hydrating for the skin. So it was really fun to go down that path. But I think what started it or what kind of sparked it was like, I loved beauty. I felt so passionate about it. But I felt so confused about how to create a skincare routine. I did this video, Harper's Bazaar, get unready with me,

and I shared my whole skincare routine. It was a million steps of all these expensive products. My skin was suffering, and people were like, this is the most whack routine ever. And I was like, wait, what? Like, I thought I was doing all the right things. But it turns out I was doing all the wrong things. And I was like, I can't be alone in this. And then I did a ton of research on Reddit, Twitter, my skincare addiction on Reddit. And everyone had like the same questions about skincare. It was like, what products do I actually need? How do I use them? What's the order I'm supposed to use them in and how do they work together? Can I use this with this? Can I pair this with this? So that's really what sparked Covey, which was like products that were formulated to be used

together, simple, gentle, effective. I know how gnarly it is to create something out of nothing. How long did the process take you? And if someone's out there and they're listening and they want to create something out of nothing, what are your tips? Yes. So it was probably a three plus year process. And like research development, the product development took a very long time. And my business partner, Christina and I, you know, we started with one lab, did 12 different iterations of something, didn't work out, didn't work out with that lab. Like, I'm sure both of you know it is such a journey. But one of my best tips in Christina, my co-founder will agree is like, you'd be surprised how much you can learn from Google. Like we Googled everything and did so much of our own

research and like phone calls and like stalking people and like trying to figure things out and like on LinkedIn and figuring out who this person used and how they used it and how they made it work. Like, you don't need to, like, have this crazy expert person who's going to, like, point you in the right direction. Like, her and I were just, like, hungry for information, and we, like, figured it out. Like, you can't. Obviously, we partnered with an expert, Dr. Julie Rusak in terms of the formulations, but in terms of, like, the business, like, we were just, like, in it. I feel like people that say that they need this expert and that expert and this and that are using that as an excuse not to execute. Yeah. I think it all. It all, you know,

also creates way too many cooks in the kitchen. Like I felt like we still are a small and nimble team, but it allows us to kind of iterate very quickly, test, move on. Like, what are we doing next? Like, this doesn't work, like, and keep going. I don't think I've ever asked anybody how to, like, start any business I've ever had. I think I just started with Google. Like, honestly, I'm not kidding. I read a book myself. I don't, like, everybody's like, who's the mentor? Who's, like, there's people along the way that can give you tips. But like, I don't think, I can't think of one time where I've had, where I've thought, like, this person told me what, I just kind of figured it out along the way. Yes. And the amount of times, like,

we would be Googling things and trying to figure things out. And I'm like, oh, great, I found that person's Instagram. Let's DM them and see if they can help us or, like, figure it out. Like, we just went every route and avenue that we could. That's my favorite kind of story. Yes. It's just like figure it out. Yes. If you were giving someone who's getting into content creation or the modeling industry advice when it comes to body image, what would that be? I know you're a big fan of the body positivity movement. Like, can you speak on that? Yeah. I mean, I think It's really tough advice, but it's like try not to compare yourself to other people. I think we've been like plagued and bombarded with like a very specific image of like how

you're supposed to look as a woman and like how things are supposed to be, but really trying to embrace your figure. Like for me as a model, like I'll never forget I reach this point when I was like a size six. And I would fluctuate too between like a four or two and eight. And I was all over the place. But I had one manager who was like by my side and really passionate about me. And I was like, listen, I can't keep trying to be smaller, smaller, smaller. I need to be like this and I need someone to support me and like help me find jobs of people who want me like this.

Like send them the worst Polaroid of me where I look humongous so that when I show up to set, they're like, she's even better than I thought. Like I just need someone to be honest and really like be on my side. And I think if you're going to join as a model, like you can sign with the biggest best agency ever. But if you don't have one person who's like, this is my girl, I'm going to root for her and I'm going to like really campaign for her. That is so important. You need someone who's on your side and is passionate about you and your career and your vision for it. Because I was very like, I want to do this, this, this, this, this. I want to make this much money.

Like, these are the kind of jobs I want to do. I was kind of, like, crazy in that sense, like always sending bullet points being like, please, I want this, I want this. So that is another piece of advice. It's definitely like as a model you can't let your career, like, you need someone to support you, of course, but you also need to be your own advocate. And you need to figure out what you want, what kind of jobs you want to do? How much money do you want to make? Do you want to be traveling all the time?

Do you want to be, like, in the U.S.? Like, you have to think about those things. I also feel like you have to, you have to, like, demand what, what you think you deserve. You have to have the vision. Yeah. So, like, if someone's putting you up in a hotel and there's rats, every, like, you have to be like, this doesn't work for me and have boundaries probably. Yes, definitely.

Speak up and be like, this does not work, which has happened many of times. What do you think it's going to be like for all of these, these young girls that are just getting in this industry right now today? Well, it's interesting because. I feel like models who are entering the industry today, like social media is so important, but no one tells you how to do that. Like, and I see so many girls and I meet with girls and they're like, how did you do this? Like, how did you figure out how to get followers here and here?

And it's important for casting. It's important for booking jobs. And I'm like, you just have to lean into it. You'll feel silly and stupid and like you're putting yourself out there. Maybe people don't care. But you just have to keep creating and keep putting things out there. Like the right people will find you. They will engage and be excited about you.

So I think for new models, I'm like, you know, just start with social. You need to like get yourself out there. You need to create content. But it's hard because you show up and you're like, I just want to like model for vogue. And it's like cool. But you also need to like be an influencer. It's not anymore just about the look. It is not.

So much more. Yeah. I mean, honestly, from a business perspective, it makes sense. Obviously, like these brands are all businesses and they're looking for places that are going to get as much awareness as possible for whatever they're shooting or doing, right? Totally. Exactly. like the more followers you have the better. But of course it's hard because some girls come in

with like already like millions and millions of followers due to their background or whatever it might be. So you are also like working against that or with that or however you want to say. So I want to go in to your wellness tips and tricks, especially now as a mother. Yes. What were your wellness tips and tricks when you were modeling and how have they changed to now that you're a mother? Of a 10 month old. Yeah. I feel like my wellness routine has definitely changed since I became a mother. When I was a model, I felt like I was just like, as long as I work out for two hours a day and get like eight hours of sleep. Two hours a day. Yes, that was like then and I had the time to do that. Like now I don't do that. I'm like, if I do 30 minutes a day and as long as I do like no sleep deep rest,

once a day, I'm good. What's no sleep deep rest? Oh, it's awesome. Those videos I was telling you about, right? Or so the sounds, right? Yeah, I think, I don't know. Andrew Huberman was the one. Heberman's a big fan of it. It's kind of like a meditation, but not you, kind of close your eyes. I put on like my special eye mask and I, it only takes me like 20 minutes, but basically kind of meditating, but you kind of end up falling asleep. You're in this like perfect in between and then you get like a perfect amount of rest. And then you can like, then I can do the rest of my day, which now as a mom is so important for me to just like when she naps. I'm like, okay, time for no sleep deep rest. He just, he just created his own too. And I'm going to,

I'm going to, I'm going to, you guys should do it. Fuck I forgot. Sorry, Andrew. Man, I know you created one. Just look it up. I'm sure it's possible. What's your special eye mask? Oh, it's the Manta eye mask. I just telling Christina, like, it is the best eye mask ever. I've tried so many. It kind of fits like goggles, but it is the truest blackout eye mask. It is the best. Is it the one that looks like a fly? Yes.

Okay, Michael used to have that. No, I buy these things, Jordan, you throw them away. I didn't. You buy too many things. I don't throw it away. I give it away. Get specific, Michael. There's an eye mask on Amazon that I saw.

I thought you were going to say this one that massages your eyelids. Have you guys seen this? No. Too complicated. What do you mean? It's like massages your eyelids while you're closing them. And it has the blackout things that Emily likes. I don't need that one.

Okay. Well, I'm going to get it. And don't try to steal it from me. It's great. And I'm going to do my, say it again. No sleep, deep breaths. No sleep. Yes.

That. And then also I feel like my wellness routine changed as a mom too. Like I used to do so much high intensity exercise before I had my baby. I can't do that now. Like I walk a lot more. I still lift weights. I love weight. lifting, but I don't do like spinning and running and sprints. Like that's just like not compatible

with my my spirit anymore. I don't know why. I have a question that I'm obsessed with that I talk about every single time I go to New York with Michael. What is it like to raise a baby right now in the city? Because it's completely different than raising a baby in L.A. or where we are in Austin. It's like it's chaotic. Yes. It's definitely chaotic. It's nice at this age. You know, my daughter's 10 months. Like I can throw her in a carrier. I can throw her in the stroller and we're at coffee. We're at the doctor. We can bounce around so easily. I think the moment that she is walking and running, it is not going to be ideal. And I'm actually moving right now. My husband is manning the move to the suburbs of New York, which I'm excited about. But yeah, I will be leaving. But I think in terms of

like convenience, it's great. But I think once she's running around and like scooting around, I'm not going to want to be there. Does your husband have any involvement in the business or do you keep him out of it? He helped in the beginning stages. So my husband is, is a private equity investor. So he definitely like overseas and loves to chime in like with myself and my best friend. He like, but like in, yeah, he chimes in from up here and he's like, what are you guys working on? Like what's going on? And then we'll be like, oh, we're just like doing this. And he's like, really? You guys should be thinking about this? And we're like, oh my God, really? Should we be doing that? But he's definitely helpful and obviously has amazing expertise.

But in terms of like running Covey, it is myself and my business partner doing it. What has being married to a private equity investor taught you? God, you know what? My next husband's going to be a private equity investor. That's so efficient to just have on hand when I'm running a business. Like, just like have it like ready to go. And then maybe my third husband. What the fuck's going on with you?

No, but the private equity investor, that's like, that's great. Hey, I know a couple of private equity investors and I'll say, I'll gladly set you. You wouldn't last two seconds, Lauren. He's like, go, please. Yeah, good luck. The least favorite topic of you is numbers. Good luck, buddy. That's what I'm saying.

That would be efficient for me. You're very smart with numbers, so I have to give my luck. No, you're done now. I'm going to. Emily, do you know anybody? I'm already on the next. I'm moving on. Can you tell us, like, things that he's taught you that you would have never known if you weren't

married to a private equity investor? Oh my gosh. I mean, we couldn't be more different, right? Like, he is, he's very intense. He's very type A. He's doing a million things at once. And then, like, I'm like, a model, especially. when we first started dating, like, I would, like, be off in Paris and here and there and come back and be like,

what's up, let's hang out on a Wednesday. And he'd be like, I can't. Like, I'm doing a deal. Like, what? I think what it has taught me is, like, one thing about him is, like, he's really great at, like, being strategic and looking at things from a bird's eye view and being like, these are the clear, like, avenues that you need to be focused on and thinking about. Whereas, like, I feel like, I can get into, like, the details. I'm like, what about this and what if this? And he's like, you're getting too into the nitty-gritty. Like, let's bring it up and think more strategically about, like, what needs to be happening, what you need to be working on, and then figure out how to execute it instead of just being stuck in like, who's going to do that? How am I going to do that? How do we do that?

It's like, I don't know if that makes sense, but just being more like strategic in my thought. And also, he definitely taught me to how to be more clear about what I want. In my modeling career, he would always be like, you can't like wait for them to like figure this out for you. Like, let's make an outline and the bullet points and exactly what you want and then you hold them accountable. You say, well, what about these things that I like wrote you last week? Like, how are you working on those? And checking in on that, he definitely taught me how to do that. So I feel like they were like, you're crazy.

I'm like, not me. He sounds organized. Beyond. And I'm so type B. I'm so not. Totally. Great. And are you type A?

Probably. Yeah. No, he's definitely more like your husband. Yeah. Like he's, he's, he, I call him like the umbrella. Yeah. Like the umbrella over everything. And I'm like, but what's like the stitching on the umbrella?

I think they make a good team because like I'm not the detail guy. Totally. Yeah. But I try. to see the maybe the broader picture. Yes. Right? From a different perspective.

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What was that like? And do you feel like it's getting better, worse, the same? It's definitely gotten better. I had really bad postpartum anxiety. And I felt like no one. And we kind of said this. I felt so ready and prepared and terrified of postpartum depression because everyone talks about that. Nobody warned me about postpartum anxiety and what that looked like. I was afraid I was going to be like sad and in bed and sluggish. I was like I felt like I was on like hard drugs 24-7. I was like never sleeping. I was always roaming around that house at like all hours of the night.

When my baby was sleeping, I was never sleeping. I also had this thing called DMER, dysporic milk ejection reflex. So while I was nursing, I would get this like extremely. extreme wave of like anxiety and dread and shame and fear that would come over me, which has to do with like your dopamine levels that change while you're nursing. Your sister had that. Yeah. That's a thing. Your sister had that. And doesn't it happen for like a second?

It's like the letdown. Yeah. And so that was horrible and really had a lot to do with like, I feel like my postpartum anxiety. Once I stopped nursing, almost all of it went away. So I feel like with my next child, I will not nurse as long. But I felt a lot of pressure to do that as so many moms do and like stick with it and do it. And I also felt a lot of guilt about my postpartum anxiety because I was like, I live in New York City.

I have a supportive husband. I had a baby nurse. I'm like, I have everything. And I'm a complete and total mess. So I tried to speak on my Instagram and my YouTube as much as I could about about postpartum anxiety because I was like, I really was not prepared for this. And no one told me what this looked like. And we were like saying this. I was like, I would have these horrible intrusive thoughts of like letting go of the stroller and like incoming traffic or like that I would fall down the stairs with my babies.

and then I would have a conversation with another mom. And she'd be like, oh, yeah, me too. I think about that all the time. It's totally normal. And I'd be like, oh, perfect. I'm so glad that's totally normal. No one told me that that was going to be happening or like my best friend Christina gave birth around the same time as me.

And I'd be like, yeah, but like, do you think about falling down the stairs or like the ceiling caving in a lot and like stuff like that? And she was like, no, I don't think about that. Or like, wait, what? The knives accidentally, like the knives are like on the eighth shelf and like they accidentally fall down that like it would never, it could never like scientifically happen. Yes. Just like all this, these weird thoughts that you never experienced.

So many intrusive thoughts. And it's so interesting because one other thing that really pulled me out of it was this might be like controversial was starting to work again. So Christine and I were in the thick of it with Covey. And we started, we both started joining calls again like two weeks postpartum. But it made me feel so much better to be like working on something that I feel passionate about and something I know. I felt so confused. fused in this new role. I felt like I didn't know what I was doing. I didn't think I was doing a good job, but I did know how to do that. And I did know how to like engage with Covey and our partners and like product development and something I feel excited about. So I feel like that's controversial

because I think going back to work, like a lot of women can't, don't want to do that postpartum. And I totally get that. But it's my own business. I can engage as I want. But starting that sooner made me feel better. And it made me feel more like me at a time where I did not feel like me. But I know you had like a similar. I just think it's not a one. size fits all. Like if it works for you to go back to work, great. If it works for you to breastfeed, great. If it doesn't, it doesn't. This breastfeeding thing, I

don't know if I missed the breastfeeding class in school where like people, I mean, I was blown away at how interested and judgmental people are about who fucking cares if you breastfeed or you don't. It's your own prerogative. The funniest thing

about my wife is like she lives in this little bubble that's like her own bubble. And then she's constantly shocked by like, are you breastfeeding? I'm like, I don't like, that's like, to me that question is like, were you breastfed? Like, what if I got on the mic and I was like, so, Emily, were you breastfed? Like, that's how little that I care if someone else is breastfeeding. Do you know what I'm saying? Yeah, it is. But I think like it is such a big focus for women. And they put so much pressure on you in the hospital and stuff too. Like, I just remember that feeling. And like, I was just reflecting on this the other day. Like, remember in the hospital? Like, they were

like, are you nursing? Like, we got to get the lactation consultant here. Make sure you write down every single time you nurse on this whiteboard. And I'm like, man, I'm like, my vagina is split in half. Like, I don't know what's happening. Like, I don't know. Do you know that the hospital told me that they didn't have hot water? They're warm water, whatever. They said, we don't have water. And I said, what? What do you mean you don't have water? Because I wanted to have the option. I didn't know what I wanted to do. I wanted to have like my formula option and my breastfeeding option. And they're like, Yeah, we don't have hot water. So it was awkward.

I like had to bundle all these blankets and then I lit part of it on fire and I had this big thing. And it was the, it was a big, it was a big fire. I built a fire in the hospital. No, but I mean, basically like we had to build a goddamn campfire in the hospital. I was like, just go down and turn the water to hot. Yeah. What do you? Yeah.

What do you mean you have water in the hospital? Here's a bottle of water. Can we heat like can we heat it up? Yeah. Like that's how there's like this underlining thing in society with breastfeeding. Yeah. There is a lot of pressure around. it. And I feel like I really fell victim to that the first time, but I will not the second time. Because the minute I stopped my world and my brain opened up in the best way. And I could be a mom that I want the mom that I wanted to be. I couldn't while I was nursing. Not to be sexist, but this is a area where like I've sometimes, I think as a man, you observe sometimes the behaviors of women. And I could never imagine a scenario where I cared what another man was doing with his child. I mean, outside of like, maybe not hurting them or like being creepy, but like I would, you know, I can't imagine.

any kind of scenario. I'm like, did you feed him that state? So true. And then the worst fucking part of it all is you get on Instagram story and you're doing something and they're like, ooh, you shouldn't be doing that if you're breastfeeding. First of all, you don't know what the fuck I'm doing. Like, could you imagine if I like derailed my day? That take the peanut gallery somewhere else. Like, it's just, it's so, it's so weird that people care what other people are doing. And I feel like this conversation needs to be had more. Well, could you imagine if a bunch of men were like, Jim, I saw you feeding your kid these carrots online and I really need to stop what I'm doing now and comment on your post because I'm at work and I'm pissed off about the way you're doing this. And by the way, like my

sister has two kids. Her first kid, she could she couldn't breastfeed. Like there was reason she couldn't breastfeed. Right. Her second kid is like 85 right now and she's still breastfeeding. I'm just kidding. But like you get what I'm saying like she loves it now. So like maybe like you know this time you like it this time you don't like I don't think we need to like have this like one size fits I'll tell you, I'm going to make a blanket statement here and it's going to, somebody's going to pick up and yell on me. But us, men, we have a lot of our shortcomings. But I'll tell you what, we don't get in each other's business. We don't, we don't care.

We're just doing our own things floating around. I feel like some people getting, it's a formula for disaster when you get in people's business. It just, it makes me sad when you say that like one of the, like, the pressure of breastfeeding. And like, then you stopped and you felt better. Like, that makes me sad. Yeah. But don't you feel like, I mean, one thing, I'm not complaining about being a content creator and influencer, but the amount of influx of opinion.

and judgment, the minute I became a mother, and the minute I became pregnant, is wild. And it's all women in my DMs. And they are mean and judgmental and bossy and have like so many things to say. Like it did change how I felt about social media after I had a baby. Because people are really judgmental. I know what to do. Yeah, I need help. If there's a bully, punch it in the face. So what happened to me is I brought my brand new baby home on postpartum depression. And I took a picture of us in the car like a selfie of me. and Zaza and she was in her car seat. But we weren't driving yet. We were waiting for Michael in the car.

And I got thousands of messages about how the seatbelt was on my gosh. And then I posted something and I said, I am not the one. I am not the influencer to come to to tell me what to do. I am going to do what I want to do. I'm not going to put my child in harm's way. We were not driving the car. I'm not going to justify this. The car was not moving.

And in the future, I am not the one. that if you, if you give it an inch of energy, they will come in. Yeah, I, I, I learned that for sure. If you create a space online where you're willing to accept abuse online, then the abuse will continue to come. Totally. Yeah. And so like, if you're just like, hey, I don't care and you're out and you're blocked and

like I'm also not at request for coaching goodbye, then like I feel like they move on to another property. But I think like motherhood activates something in women. They feel like they have the right to. kind of share their experience or how they think it should be. And I found that kind of disheartening, actually, after I had a baby. I was like, I don't want to share what I'm ever doing, ever. I don't want to make me feel bad. I also think, listen, if someone comes at me in a way that that is constructive, right? Or I'm saying like too much on the podcast. That's something I can

fix. Totally. But when you're telling me, I hate your voice, I can't change, like, it's the way you come at someone. If you can't change something. We've got a lot of good tips and advice for you. But again, it's like coming from a place of like, hey, I've tried. tried this, it might work for you as opposed to like, you have to do it my way and your way is wrong. Totally. Yes. Yeah. And that's the, and I think also like we just should do a PSA, a new mother is very fragile. Totally. Like it's not the time. No. I feel like people don't know. I also did not know that before I had a baby though. Like I feel so regretful about how I treated friends who had babies and I'd be like, oh my God. Like, yahoo. That's amazing. And I'm like, she was probably so unwell when I was like two days

after she had her baby. I'm like, what can I come over? But you don't know how fragile a new mom is and how frazzled and confused and the hormones and like, it is a shook of experience. What are some non-negotiables in your morning routine and nighttime routine with a new baby running a business? Oh my gosh. Okay. Well, in the mornings, first of all, for my sleep, I always have my mom to eye mask. I always sleep the exact same amount every single night, seven and a half hours. If I do more than that or less than that, I feel horrible. Like that is like my like non-negotiable. Of course, like I have a baby so sometimes it's not perfectly that, but that's the ideal. And then for the mornings, I usually wake up around 5 or 5.30, but I also go to bed

like 8 o'clock at night because I am like a grandmother. And then I always have like a cold brew in the morning. And I just love the mornings because it's so quiet. It's so still. I come up with the best ideas and the best thoughts and ideas when I'm just like alone and have stillness in the morning. So I feel like that's kind of a non-negotiable. Like when I wake up and I'm frazzled and trying to like go grab my daughter and like give her her bottle and like I'm awake at the same time as her that is horrible ideally I'll also work out in that time frame before she wakes up around seven or I go grab her from her crib and then always I give her her morning bottle and I use that as a time to just like cuddle her and bond with her no phone like just literally hold her and like enjoy that

moment instead of like being like on my phone and like doing things like I really that morning time is really important to me to like set the tone for the day for the evening I don't really have a lot of non-negotiables for the eating. I always eat around 5.30, 6 o'clock. I don't do late dinners. Don't call me. I'm not coming. Like, I do not eat late at night. Speaking my language. And also I like for my sleep to be like good sleep, I like have to eat pretty healthy I feel. Like if I'm eating like pizza or pasta or whatever, I sleep horribly. I really try to eat really healthy like lots of protein greens, like healthy fats. That's like kind of like my go-to diet or what my plate looks like. And then I'm always in bed around like 8, 8.30, especially with postpartum, because the evenings for some reason were the

hardest for me, like the minute the sun went down, like something activated in me and I would get really anxious and nervous and not feel good. So my evening routine is so sacred. Like the minute the the sun goes down or like the minute I put my daughter into her crib, I am in the shower, I am relaxing, I am doing my skincare routine. I'm like by myself. I am in bed with my eight sleep. Do you guys have an eight sleep? No, it's an eight sleep. Oh wait. Is it like a cooling blanket type thing? It's a mattress pad. So they have mattresses and they also have a pad. Let me ask you this, though. Does it come with all the machinery and stuff? It does have one thing that's about this big. It's on my husband's side of the bed and you have to change the water periodically. But you can make it as cold as you want,

as hot as you want. It can wake you up with a vibrate or it can wake you up by getting colder or warmer in the mornings. It's the one people. It was like the ooler one. But we had something and it was kind of a disaster. There was cords everywhere. But so this one you like. Yes. So then after I do my skincare routine and my hair care routine, whatever I'm doing, I climb into bed. And then I put my eight sleep on warm. I feel nice. and like quiet and like by myself, read my Kindle. Like my evenings, I'm like, cannot be disturbed. What are you reading right now? I just finished actually Emerada's book, my body. So did I. So good. Yeah. Isn't that good? It was very good. And obviously a lot of it resonated for me because I was,

I'm a model and like, she had such an interesting take on things where I was like, oh my God, that she put it into words. I like never knew how to say that. She's very articulate. Yes. It was a very good book. That's so weird. That's kind of why I think I'm like interested right now in that whole world because she was so open. And then I'm also doing a Colleen Hoover. Oh, my gosh, which one is it? I can't even remember. All the Colleen Hoovers are so good. Oh, it's the one that starts with a V. Variety. Yes. Ooh, that one's a little, that one's out. That was one of my favorites, but it's a little creepy. But I do love a book. I love like something like Amrata's book, but I also love a book where I'm on like a brain vacation. I feel like I'm in a TV show and, like,

can enjoy it. That one's a good one. Nonfiction at night is hard for me. Yeah, that's a very good book. You're going to like that. You have to message me after you're done reading that. Yeah. If you were to start with one product in your line, tell our audience. And then I was wondering, can we do a little giveaway? Yes, of course. That would be great. So tell us what you would start with. The first thing.

I have used your products. I like them a lot. The packaging is stunning. Oh, my gosh. I have to tell you also for your ice roller, that saved my life when I was pregnant. I was the hottest, most crankiest pregnant person, and I loved your ice roller in combination with one of our serums. Loved it.

In combination with the serum? Yes. Oh. Yes. I got to give you pink balls to try with the serum, too. I'd love that. Yeah, I got to give you pink falls. I think for Covey, a product to start with was great, would be our first of all cleanser. Because actually, cleanser is such an underrated thing. Like, you need to start with a great foundation for the rest of your skincare routine to be effective and to be successful. So our first of all, cleanser has actually already won three beauty awards, which we're so proud of. It takes off makeup, dirt, grime, sunscreen, in one step. We wanted to replace the double cleanse. We had so many different iterations of this product. I'm sure you guys can relate. It took us so long to perfect it, but we really wanted it to take everything off. without stripping or drying your skin. So we have really hydrating ingredients in there, really soothing ingredients. It is amazing and the foundation for the rest of your skincare routine.

Okay, that sounds incredible instead of having to do a double cleanse. Yeah. Can we give away, what can we give away from your skincare line? You can give away the full cubby routine. You should. Okay, let's give away the whole cubby routine. You can use the serum with the ice roller. You can remove all your stuff on your face and one cleanse with the cleanser. All you guys have to do is follow. Emily Ddenato or at Cubby. Okay, and then tell us your favorite part of this episode with Emily on my latest Instagram, and we'll get like the whole shibing package. Where can everyone find your line, you, your YouTube channel, pimp yourself out? So you can find me at Emily Ddenato, Instagram, YouTube TikTok, Covey at Covey or CoveySkin.com.

Come say hello. I answer almost all of my DMs and I always ask people who try Covey to shoot me a DM. Let me know what you're thinking, how you're feeling. If it's working for you, I always answer everyone. That cleanser is getting me excited. Emily, thank you so much for coming on. You are very inspiring. I am a big fan. Thank you for doing the show. Thanks for having me. Do you want to win some Covey skincare products? All you have to do is follow at Covey Skincare on Instagram and tell me your favorite part of this episode with Emily on my latest post at Lauren Bostic. Also, if you guys want to hear someone on the podcast, let us know. We love your feedback as always.

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