The Bossticks - Episode 1,000! What We've Learned, What We're Leaving Behind, & What's Coming Next

Episode Date: August 24, 2026

#1,000: Join Lauryn and Michael Bosstick as they celebrate their 1,000th episode! In this milestone conversation, they look ahead at the next decade and share their predictions for where culture, technology, wellness, relationships, media, and the way we live are headed. In this episode, Lauryn and Michael get candid about what they're prioritizing, what they're leaving behind, and the systems, boundaries, and mindset shifts shaping this next era of their lives. They also unpack what they believe will matter more, what will matter less, and how they're thinking about building a life that lasts. From the future of media and AI to relationships, personal growth, and what it takes to keep evolving, this is a conversation about what's next — and how Lauryn and Michael are preparing for it.   For Detailed Show Notes visit TheBossticks.com   To connect with Lauryn Bosstick click HERE   To connect with Michael Bosstick click HERE   Read More on The Skinny Confidential HERE   Head to our ShopMy page HERE and LTK page HERE to find all of the products mentioned in each episode.   This episode is sponsored by The Skinny Confidential  Reduce puffiness and boost radiance with The Skinny Confidential Mint Roller, now available at http://shopskinnyconfidential.com.    This episode is sponsored by Starbucks Learn more at http://Starbucks.com/partners.   This episode is sponsored by SoFi Visit http://Sofi.com/skinny to learn more and see if a SoFi Small Business Loan is right for your business.   This episode is sponsored by HERS Ready to reach your goals? Visit for http://hers.com/skinny to get personalized, affordable care that gets you.   This episode is sponsored by If meetings are eating up your day, Granola is a no-brainer. You can try it totally free for three months - just head to http://granola.ai/skinny.   This episode is sponsored by Tiny Health Tiny Health is offering listeners their most aggressive offer yet - $50 off your first at-home test kit at http://tinyhealth.com/skinny.   This episode is sponsored by Primal Kitchen Find Primal Kitchen dressings, sauces, and condiments at your local grocery store or on Primalkitchen.com. Primal Kitchen - made for real food. Produced by Dear Media

Welcome to the Bostics, starring Lauren Bostic and Michael Bostick. Together, they are the Bostics. Welcome back to the Bostics. Today marks our thousandth episode. 1,000. 1,000. I'm usually not big, like on big celebrations or anniversaries or all, I mean, our anniversary. But thousands episodes is a lot of episodes.

That's a lot of episodes. When we started this show, we started from our closet with two microphones. We were with my sister-in-law, Jordan Bostic, and Taylor, our producer, who was in the background holding a camera. He's still our producer today. It was like $220, I think, for all of the equipment to start the entire show and like maybe a $10 hosting platform. It's crazy how we are here after 10 years still on a mic. And still together. And still together.

I can't believe we're. We're still together after a thousand episodes. What's a crazy statistic? And again, I'm not one on such, you know, these milestones. I want to be careful. It's like, okay, everyone's always celebrating something, which is good to pat yourself up on the back. But what I did find cool, Lauren, is that The Simpsons has like 800 and something episodes.

And we have a thousand. So we have more episodes than The Simpsons. Now, of course, the Simpsons has been on a lot longer than us because they do it in seasons. But if you just think about like the content catalog, we have like a hundred. hundred and something, 150, 160, whatever, more episodes than The Simpsons, which is crazy if you think about like the output of content over a decade. How does it make you feel that we've hit a thousand episodes? I feel like I've now earned the right to be able to say like I can do an interview show

and that I'm actually a, I'm hesitant to use the word, but expert podcaster. Okay. Because I've got to a thousand. and, you know, for a little history, for those of you new to the show, or those you've been here for a while. This show started, like Lauren said, in our closet, you know,

10 years ago, pretty much, off the success of her blog, The Skinny Confidential. It started in 2016 in March of 2016. I remember because we were in New York City and at the time we were launching the show and Lauren was invited on the Ask Gary Vee show with our friend Gary Vaynerchuk,

who's now been on this show three times. And I snuck on. And I was not scheduled. He was not supposed to go on, you guys. I did it because we got to get on to promote the show. We knew nothing about how to promote the show. You used me. If you go and Google the Ask Gary V Show and you search Lauren and Michael Bostic,

you'll see when we launched it what we looked like and that I snuck on. By the way, there's not supposed to be a camera there for him or anything. It's like he's blurry in the background. It's sneaking on like Pinocchio in the back hanging from the ceiling. And it's funny because Gary, when we see him, we laugh about it still to this day. But I just want to remind some people of what's happened since then. You know, Lauren and I got married since then. We've had three children since then.

We moved from California to Texas since then. I started the company Dear Media that we produced now over a few hundred shows. We have hundreds of team members that now work. We have an office in L.A., Austin, New York. We're getting ready to do a studio pop-up here in the Hamptons or in the Hamptons. And I don't say all this to brag, but I say it to just share to people what a little bit of time and persistence and some compounding working on the same thing can do. It's like this tiny little idea, which at the time was just this. audio podcast show husband and wife answering listener questions has really now span into a very large

business spanning live events and commerce and shows and we produce for other people and IP and investments into businesses like Lawrence and others and so it's interesting what can be accomplished in a decade and Tony Robbins has that saying like what did we over we underestimate what we can do in a year and overestimate what we can do in a year and we underestimate what we can do in a decade and I think that's what we've found here. This is your sign if you have an idea to put yourself out there. And maybe that's not on a mic and maybe it's not on video and maybe it's not even on social media. Maybe it's just doing something that you have felt that you want to launch.

Could be anything. It's also a reminder that if you're doing something right now and maybe you're six months or a year or two or three years into it that, you know, I personally thought things were going to happen a lot faster. Yeah. I thought it was going to be a global sensation in year one. And I don't know why that didn't happen But still not there I'm still working on it But it takes guys

It takes a long time And you know It's just it's a sign To remember to just stay patient And sit with it Because we still have a long way to go But we've done a lot In the last 10 years

I'm the tortoise And you're the hair Well I'm kind of been the tortoise With you Lauren's taught me How to be the tortoise I'm so good with being a sea turtle This episode though We are not going to do

A bunch of lookbacks And a bunch of what we've learned We've done that before If you look at the episode we did 10 things we've learned Over 10 years on our 10 year anniversary back in March We did a lot of this show is all about looking forward, talking about what we think the world's going to look like in the future, what our life's going to look like, where we think markets are going, where we think businesses are going, where we think the world's going. And we've got a whole bunch of questions here from the audience and from our teams that they put together. And it's really about looking forward because we hope that we're still doing this 10 years from now. Thank you to everybody who's been with us this entire time, or if you're new or just getting started or joined two or three years ago, we appreciate everyone. Obviously, this thing wouldn't exist. And we

couldn't do this without the support of all of you. And so we greatly appreciate it and hope you found value in the show. All right. First up, you want to do a couple of predictions? Good. You want to, you got it written down. Okay. My first prediction is that 2007 is going to be about being discerning. What do I mean by that? I mean discerning with the content you're consuming, discerning with the people that you're around, discerning with the supplements that you're taking, discerning with where you give your energy, I think we are going to see the pendulum swing that more is not more and that it's actually less that makes the biggest impact. And I think people are going to be very thoughtful about what they give their attention to.

And to me, like personally, that means putting away my phone even more, less on the phone, less Amazon. I hope so. I mean, I hope so. No, it does mean less Amazon, just so you know. Like, I feel like it just means less everywhere. And to me, it's less content consumption. And I don't really consume that much content. I'm pretty purposeful with that. And I've set some really clear boundaries over the years. I have not always been perfect. I've been off TikTok for two years. It's the best decision that I have ever made. And I think you're going to see that. across all different platforms. I think you're even going to be more strategic about what podcasts you're listening to, meaning like if you're waking up and you're listening to something that's really gossip filled or that's bringing your vibration down or whatever it is, I think every second of your life is going to be more thought out. I think less is more. That's my prediction. Well, I think that we just went through an age where because of digital content,

whether it was a brand or content or whatever it may be, you were able to win easier by copying formulas. And you were able to win by parroting a lot of the same stuff that gets parroted online. And I think everybody that's been in the Internet race have been guilty of that at one point, including us. I think in the era of AI, information itself is no longer valuable because we have at our fingertips all of the information in the world

and a personal assistant slash personal coach slash personal guru that can give us, you know, for example, if I have a question on supplements and, you know, which dosage, I go to AI. If I want to know, you know, how to buy a home now, I go to AI. If I want to know, you know, basically what hotel or what products or something is you go to. So I think where people are going to look now when you speak of discernment is they're going to look for trusted voices who either have the experience, the taste or the know-how based on what they've done personally. Yep, bingo. And where you're going to be able to trust those voices to give you the unfiltered, honest, no BS, no holds barred take on whatever that experience may be.

I also think it also applies to travel, right? I now, when I see everyone traveling to the same place, it makes me want to find a place that is less crowded. And I think that 10 years ago, it was about going to the hottest restaurants where everyone went or carrying the bag that everyone had or going to the place that everyone had or going to the place that everyone had. or going to the place that everyone went. And I'm starting to see a huge shift with my friends and with you where we are actually trying to find places that are maybe undiscovered or places where there's not a lot of people and there's not a huge line. And it's not like, I think also even with like a handbag or shoe or clothes, I think what's

going to win is people's perspective and taste. It's not what everyone else has. Well, I think of social media, like the intention around it was that it was meant to connect everybody. And in a lot of ways it did. It connected the world. It connected information. Sometimes now we're seeing that, you know, it maybe connected the wrong things or the wrong kinds of information. A lot of negativity. I think there's a direct correlation from the rise of these channels with the negativity felt in the world and the fear, because again, it's like fear cells and anger cells. But I think now what people are going to look for in the era of AI is

they're actually going to look for trusted human connections. And for people that are nervous about AI displacing. I think like AI is going to displace a lot of things. It's also going to make humans much more productive. But for people that are developing content online or looking, you know, to date in the modern world, I think people are going to lean in to authentically human experience. I think we're going to see rise in live events in places where people are actually interacting and meeting. I think you're going to see more people looking for trusted voices, like I said, and I think the era of just kind of like mass consumption with everyone parenting, parroting the same thing and agreeing on everything is going to move out because people now are

going to look to find the authentic human voices because in the era of AI where everything, you know, is readily accessible to everyone and all of information is equal, we are going to, I think, crave the human element of being a person. To your point, I also think if something's so popular, like I'll give an example, gentle parenting was like all the rage for the last couple years. What I've noticed is a lot of people are changing their opinion and going against the grain. And just because something so popular, people are actually standing up and saying, I actually don't think like that. And I could speak for you and I.

You and I, I don't think do gentle parenting. I think that we've gone sort of like against that. I wouldn't. I mean, I'm pretty gentle. You're pretty intense. You think I'm intense. I'm joking. I wouldn't call me intent.

It's a joke. No, I think, listen, in anything, what I've seen now running a media company like Dear Media and doing a show for this period of time is the pendulum always swings, right? Like, you have long periods of time when, like, look, perfect example. There was a period we were doing this, 2020 era, where canceled culture was really rampant. Censorship was on the rise. You could only think one way. And I think now what you see is the exact opposite. Now you see, you know, people saying things that they wouldn't say.

you see people going too far overboard. You see like it swings from one extreme to the other. And I think that's just normal course of human nature. It's like when you push too far one way and neglect another way, then eventually people get sick of that and they push the other way. I think the people, too, that are going to win are you mentioned taste and perspective, but I also think it's people that have their own unique opinion. Instead of following what the trend is,

I think you're going to see people really come out with their actual authentic opinion. And those are the people that I think people are going to flock to. So let's just talk about. that in general, and this is a little bit of a look back and look forward, but for anyone, and this is not only for individuals, but I think for companies in general, we have a lot of people on this show that have extreme longevity in their respective space, whether they're in entertainment or they're an entrepreneur or they're an author or whatever it may be. Doing this now for a thousand episodes, if there's one thing I've learned over a long period

of time, it's that if you have a consistent message with conviction behind it in the way that you see the world and the way that you want to convey your perspective to the world, you have the ability to capture a lot of trust over a long period time. Again, like I said, not just for humans, but for brands as well. I think chasing virality and changing your opinion, depending on whichever way the cultural wind is blowing, I've seen not only our show, but a lot of shows that I've produced, the people that do that end up having the shortest windows of relevancy because you may like a few things they say here and there, but over time you don't trust anything.

because they don't ever establish their opinion of their perspective. We get a lot of flack on this show all the time, but the people, I think, that resonate with us, know that it's an authentic, honest perspective, even if it's unpopular. And so for me, a thousand episodes later, running to your media for close to 10 years, seeing people come and go,

the people that stay are the ones that stand in their convictions and actually have a developed perspective and don't just do things because it's popular to do it or because there's virality or because they feel a pressure to do so. They actually say things, ask questions, think what they think and mean what they say. Speaking of convictions, I have realized that I am woo-woo through this show. And I think that people are going to get more woo-woo and just for another word, more grounded. And what I mean by that is I think there's going to be a lot more nature and nervous system regulation and a lot less synthetic. I think people are going to go back to the basics. I think you're going to see a lot of sunlight, a lot of, of nature, a lot of grounding, a lot of touching the sand, touching the grass, a lot of people

really examining what they're eating. And if the ingredients are natural, chemicals, cleaning supplies, I think you're going to see people really craving natural elements and wanting to get off their phone. I think you're going to see more people meditating. I think people are going to become more woo-woo. I really do think that as a trend. It's interesting, you know, and we've, The show's been labeled woo-woo at times. But, you know, if you rewind and you start talking about simple things like peptides, which everyone is so fascinated about right now and, you know, GLP-1s a peptide, or you start thinking about cleaning supplies without chemicals and hormone disruptors in them,

or if you start thinking about natural foods and raw milk, and people still consider raw milk in some cases controversial. But if you go back at the time, many of these people, when you discuss these things to begin with, if it's counter, what's what's saying, if it's counter to the narrative or the information that's being produced from a mainstream level,

everybody in the beginning or the high majority of people push back on these ideas. But what's funny now is if you went to someone and said, hey, I'm going to take a little shot and that's going to alter and change my body for the better for a health perspective,

if you just said that four years ago, people would have been like, what the hell are you doing? Now everybody's taking some kind of GLP1 or some kind of peptide. So what I think happens over time is people, anytime there's a new concept or a novel idea or something that is counter to what is typically been done,

you'll always get that pushback. And it's the same pattern happens when you're an entrepreneur. Anytime you tell somebody you're going to do something or have a great idea, the majority of people will push back on you and say either that's dumb or don't do that or why would do that. I mean, when we started this show, I can't tell you how many people said podcasts are stupid. They'll never work. Why would people ever do that? Why would they ever listen? Why would they ever watch? And now, you know, you can't look left or right without seeing somebody launching a podcast. And so the point is, is that one thing that this show has taught me talking to different people is that you have to listen with an open mind when new information presents itself because what might sound crazy to begin with might not be that crazy at all.

If you're blind to new opportunities, you're going to miss them. If you are closed off to new ideas or perspectives, you're going to limit yourself as a person. Moving forward, I think as we've seen a lot of information come out over the last few years. And as you see more things that people talk about become more mainstream, I think people are going to be more open to new ideas because for the longest time, there was a chokehold on information. I think that in life, you have to give people space to be able to change their mind. If I still had the same opinions that I had at 21, that would not create the same life that I have now. I think you have to give people space to be able to switch their opinion and know that that's part of life and that's part of growth.

And speaking of the mind, I think that we've learned through this show and I think this is really important and I hope that this is, I don't want to say trend, but I hope that this is something that becomes really popular is the way you think creates your reality. And I think you're going to see more of an emphasis on that. I think it was very popular in the 80s and 90s. You see people like Wayne Dyer and Louise Hay, always saying that your thoughts dictate your reality. And I think we're going to go back to that. And to my point earlier about content, the content you consume, the friends you hang out with, the partner that you choose to marry, all of that is shaping your reality. And all of those habits show up on the outside. And I think that to me, being able to control your

thoughts and your mind is going to become one of the most important things that you could ever do. Yeah. And speaking of changing your opinion and ideas, with a thousand episodes, I think we can maybe name on less than five fingers or maybe five fingers on hand, somebody who's come on who's been on the show who's been an intentionally bad or evil person, even if that, we'd have to like really rack our brains to think about that. And the point of that is, is like we've had so many people with differing opinions on this show over the years. What you realize is that most people don't come to their opinions or their perspectives or their beliefs, because they're a bad person.

They come to them because of their childhood, who their parents were, where they grew up, the neighbors around them, what they see, what their personal circumstances are. And if you start from the perspective of condemning anyone who has a counter opinion to you, you're just missing so many opportunities to learn.

And one of the things that I've noticed over the last few years that I think is changing now is that there was this idea that if you think differently, you must be a bad person or I must not be able to associate with you. And so it's taught us to listen and to develop our own opinions and to hear different people's perspectives. Now, you may walk away and still think the way you do, but the idea that you can't speak to someone because they don't think like you or you can't listen to someone's idea because they don't have the same idea of you, I think it's really not only bad for society,

but if you're a selfish person, it's also limiting you as a person. It's limiting opportunities. it's limiting your perspective. It's limiting your ability to learn. And it's also limiting your ability to be liked. Why would you want to start something where you know right off the bat, you're alienating a whole part of the population because you think differently? Something for people to think about. This is a great question that we got. And I want to hear your answer. What does your actual tenure planning process look like behind the scenes? I know it is meticulous. My personal one? Yep. So every year around New Year's or during that break when everyone's kind of checked out and nobody's emailing and you get that weird window of time, typically like between Christmas and New Year.

Our favorite. Or like, you know, like sometimes, you know, if the New Year holiday goes through like the fourth or the fifth or whatever, maybe depending on like when a Saturday lands. I sit down and I write my 10 year, my seven year, my five year, my three year and my one year goal. Okay. And I go and revisit the ones from before. And it could be, like, like, I'll give you an example. Like 10 years ago, I was looking the other day and it said vaguely like, oh, like, I'd like to have a show with Lauren.

I'd like to have a company that I run in the media space. I'd like to have a family. And I'd like to have like four kids. I might have overestimated a little bit there. So we still, we're still working on it. And I write that in the 10 years. So it's like really high level stuff. And you could write like, you know, maybe where you want to be from a financial savings

perspective, where you want to be living, what kind of house. And you almost want to envision this great life that you're going to have 10 years. And then I go, okay, if I have 10 years, that's where I want to be, then I work myself backwards. So I go to seven years, like, if I want to have that, what must be true in seven years? Okay, if I wanted four kids, maybe I have to have two or three kids by then. If I wanted a million dollars in savings, maybe I have to have, you know, 600K by then or 700K, whatever, you know, I'm just using random numbers. If I want to live in this kind of house. So, and what I do is I work all the way back. And then by the time I get to the one year, the one year is specifically, what do I need to do in just one year to move that ball forward, to move those goals forward? And this is where, you know,

the act, I think the action items exist in the one year, but the vision and the goals actually live 10 years. I think the problem is when you create only a one year goal. Say, you know, I want to be, I want to lose 30 pounds and I have a six pack and be in the best shape of my life in one year. Maybe you're not giving yourself enough time. Maybe you say that's the three year goal. And so that's, that's how I do it. have you ready, a 10, a 7, a 5, a 3, and a 1? I do it different. Okay. I theme my year.

I have a word that I theme. This year was alignment. Next year, I think, will be restraint. But you'll have to get back to me on that. And then I make a list of what I want more of and what I want less of. And I look at that list all the time. So I'm really able to see what needs to be cut and what I want to focus on. And it makes it really easy.

And then I do kind of what Michael does. I make my list of what I want the year to look like and all the things that I want within each month. So, you know, it could be with my P-Volve collaboration. And in April, that month was themed Lauren Bostic Times P-Volf. I had that on my calendar. So I knew that that was a goal that I wanted to hit. And then under this, and if you've been following along for a while, you know this,

I put the systems to get there. and I do that for each month of the year. And then as far as tenure, I write down my big goals and I will go back and sort of put the lead up of what it takes to get to those big goals. So similar. I also think it's interesting, like, you know, we're big readers on this show and, you know, more to come on some book stuff soon. But one thing, like, if you're struggling in a specific area, like, I remember one year I was really struggling with personal finance. I didn't understand it. I couldn't understand how I was making money.

and not saving it, investing it. And this is years ago. And I made that year. I said, okay, if this is a theme of my life that I want to change, I'm going to go find the best books that I can find to read about the subject as deeply as I can. Did that. If you're struggling in dating, maybe you start to read different relationship advice of books

or different perspectives on people that have had successful relationships or marriages. If you're struggling in business or sales or whatever, you can figure that out. So I think thematically, you could also end the year and make a list of what the big themes in your life that you're really struggling with. and you can go and build a reading list based on the areas that you're weak. I think unfortunately so many people, we know what our weak spots are and we ignore them and we don't self-educate and we just think they're going to work themselves out by the luck of the drawer.

Like, God's going to come down and give us some vision. You have to be proactive in fixing the things that aren't working. And the best place to start is with yourself and figuring out what you need to improve upon. So thematically each year, I go and I do that. For me, this year, a lot of it was like, I run, at a high stress and a high output and I run, sometimes a little hot and impatient. So I've been reading a lot of stuff that calms me this year. It makes me be introspective and think about things like meditation and stuff like that. So just an example of like reading

and being thoughtful as well. Tell them about your obsession with the P-EMF mat because I've never seen you be. Well, you could tell them about the obsession because I didn't think it was an obsession. I just like it. No, no, no. You use it in the morning. I didn't know why I liked it. Why did we find out that you like it. I don't know. This is one of your woo-woo investigation. This is not a woo-woo investigation. This is black and white. I looked up why he kept going on this P-E-M-F mat. I pull it out. I put it by our bed and I noticed that you were drawn to it energetically. And then my kids would come lay on it with you. And then the dogs would come lay on it with you. And then I would wake up and want to lay on it with you. And so I investigated. I'm popular in that house. I investigated and it's because it

calms your nervous system. I think that's a really good investment. If you're someone who runs hot or you're impatient, I think that it does something that positive or negative ions, whatever it is, does something that helps you relax. We also have implemented a rule this year that I think has been life-changing and that has been no phone in the room. We don't do the phone in the room. And if you are a married couple and you are struggling in the bedroom and you have that phone or a TV constantly on in the room. My advice, my first piece of advice would be to get the distractions out of the room. I think that that is really life-changing. And also, if we're going to get woo-woo, I don't love a plugged-in charging phone next to the head. I want it in the other room.

I can do an episode on that. I like it on the other room in airplane mode without Wi-Fi on. I even bought this thing. We'll link it. That's a charger that blocks the EMF. So it's in the other room. and I think that not only does that improve your sleep, 50% to not have the phone in the room, it's also not the first thing you reach for when you wake up. It automatically sets the tone and boundaries and makes you connect more with your partner. Like I don't want to be in a marriage where we're both staring at our phone. That doesn't light me up. I don't find it interesting. And I think that for me, I've read probably triple this year because there's no phone or television in the room.

Yeah, one thing that I worry about, though, and I think this is like, you know, if I was predicting where the world's going is there's this idea now that we have to kind of like regulate our nervous systems, be more comfortable than ever, you know, get the greatest sleep, you know, only be around positive things. And while that's great and sounds like utopia and sounds like an ideal life, if we're being honest, the last 20 years in the building of our life to get to where we are in the life. 20 years, it was not that. It was a lot of dysregulation. It was a lot of sleepless nights. It was a lot of stress. It was a lot of sacrifice. You know, we have three kids under six and while we've been building all these things. And again, I don't say this to brag. I say this, like, I think some bad advice sometimes for people online that have platforms is they push this idea that, like, you should go live on a farm and just take it easy and not struggle and go work in a job that, like, values you all the time and, and make sure that you feel safe and

protected. And while that's all great and good and sounds good, the people that I know that have made sacrifices and have built long and lasting things and have gotten the rewards, you know, whether that's financially or from a family perspective or the body they want or, you know, the partner they find, those people have periods in their life where they're fucking savages and they make sacrifices and they do things that average people just won't do. And we just had this guy, JP on the show. And he was saying successful people are just people that do more than what most people will do. And they make sacrifices that most people won't make.

And so one thing that I still want to keep pushing to this audience that's been with us for such a long time, we've even knew people is if you were just to discover Lauren and I now and see our lives and think, oh, like, you know, these guys, easy for them to save had it. Like there's been a lot of things along the way that we've had to do to get here. And I want to make sure that people with drive and hunger and who want these lives, they understand that it's. okay to make those sacrifices for periods of time, but we're in a stage now where we're pulling out of a little bit that because if we don't, we're going to burn ourselves down into the floor. Well, I think, to your point, I think that's... But there's periods. Agreed. And I am a savage and I am uncomfortable in many parts of my business all the time.

And there's things that I do that I don't want to do. And there's circumstances that I put myself in that are really uncomfortable and not comfortable at all, in fact. So for me, me, the daily habits that I can control, which is my bedroom, the way I wake up, how often I look at my phone, the way I go to bed, dinner with my family, those things that I'm doing every day to support the uncomfortable parts are really important to me. And I'm not going to hit it every single time. But if I can do little tweaks in my life, like taking the phone out of my room or, you know, having red light upstairs instead of, you know, bright lights at night, I'm going to do it. And I think I do agree with you that you have to get uncomfortable to become comfortable and that

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the mom who is at home with her kid every single day, exhausted, putting in the effort over and over. It could be the individual mother or father getting up and going to work every single day. It could be the person that gets up and goes to the gym at the same time every single day. But there's a sacrifice is made. And one thing I worry about and then we'll move on is there's this idea that you can have it all, but that you don't have to sacrifice and that you deserve it all, but without the sacrifice. And I just, I don't believe that's realistic. And I think there needs to be more people that have found success in life, not only business and professionally, but in marriages like ours or with their families or in dating or with a personal health that talk about that because it's

important to give people a realistic perspective of how it actually gets done. And marriage is a lot of work. Yeah, no shit. Marriage is a lot of work. I never want to be one of those people. online that's telling you that marriage is all amazing. You and I work at it real hard. And we fight and we go at it. Carson, you know. Carson probably has like blackmail tapes. No, no. I mean, we go at, I mean, we go at it. And I think one thing that we do together is that we try to recover well and we try to not ever make it too personal. And if we do, we try to take accountability. But there is no doubt. Like, Lauren and I are not skipping and holding hands and kissing under the stars on the beach. Like we are rough, tumble like two cats in an alleyway. And, you know, it works for us. But I think being honest about that and understanding like,

hey, life is hard, especially building a life with someone else and that there's compromises there and that it's not always going to be perfect. Again, if you're somebody who's in a relationship, if you're new to a relationship or you've been in one for a long time, like it should not look perfect all the time. And if it does, red flag. Well, our relationship definitely is not perfect. I don't want anyone to ever feel like that. It's definitely not perfect. Perfect for us. It's perfect for us.

What's the single biggest line in the sand boundary that you've had to draw between your business partnership and your marriage? Let's think about that. We don't really have like a black and white draw a line in the sand. I think we do talk all the time about what we both want out of our lives and what we both want for our children or our family. And we try to make sure that we're never. doing things with the businesses that compromise our life together.

Meaning like, you know, if I was in a situation that required me to be traveling out of state without you and the kids two weeks at a time, and listen, I know that happens some people. Like, if I would probably sacrifice the financial gain of that in order to be with the kids, because we think it would just impact our children. Or, you know, if you were in a situation where you had to be taken away for the children, for periods of time that just were too much for you. I think we've got.

Or if there's decisions that get made from a work environment perspective or who we partner with that would potentially compromise our marriage or put us in a bad light, I think we talk about that a lot. I think one thing that Lauren and I, and sometimes our personal friends give us shit for this, we do not air our dirty laundry about our marriage to friends or family or this show. We protect the marriage.

And, you know, some people say maybe you should do couples therapy or talk someone if that was an issue. I feel like we get that on this show. Honestly. I got to be honest with everyone. Yep. I'm talked out with you. I'm not going to couple therapy. But be honest about it.

I don't. I'm not a, I listen, I know it works for some people so great, but we talk on a mic for a living. And we're talking all day long. I can't go talk about it. Yeah. We get the benefit of learning at the same time and doing this. You know, one thing we talk about all the time privately is that we can't imagine doing. doing this show for as long as we have

if only one of us did the show. I don't think it would work. I think we talk about it imagine all the great conversations we've got to have if only one of us was doing it and the other person didn't go to participate. And listen,

I know the him and her perspective is not everyone's cup of tea. Sometimes the girls want to get on and hear you dish around with whatever is, you know, being dished on that week and they don't want my perspective. Sometimes, you know,

people want to hear just that financial episode with me, whatever it may be. but we like for our marriage we believe doing this together has enhanced our marriage and like I said we we also you know because we work together so we're careful that we don't invite people into our marriage that could potentially compromise it not obviously just people that would want to sleep with me which is a lot of people oh I'm just kidding just like oh I'm just people that are we're meaning people that want to interject their opinion on the way we are in a relationship or the way we work with each other or the way that we parent.

Like if we're having an issue and we're fighting with each other about something, we're frustrated with each other, we don't start talking to my friends or her friends. We protect our marriage, don't you think? I do. And I think another line in the sand boundary that we have drawn, and this has been something that's, has been, we've reiterated on throughout the years is how our children show up on our platforms. I think that that's been something that we have, you know, the opinions have changed on that. I think we've never been people that are putting the kids all over social media.

Even the limited amounts of time that you do it or that if I've done it, we have a conversation about it. Yeah. So that's been something that I think for me, I want to have a lot of thought around and sort of like a plan. I'm not just going to throw, you know, my son up walking his first steps. And he did just walk his first steps a couple months ago. And to me, that's, that's a big deal. I'm sharing it with the family group chat. I don't really necessarily think that I need to be posting that all over social media.

Yeah. I mean, on the business front, like, you know, we moved to Texas in 2020, as people know. And there's an art where, you know, largely in the entertainment world with the media company. And there's an argument to be made, like, why aren't you in L.A. or New York from a financial perspective? Like, there's probably a lot more opportunities out there, a lot more companies, a lot more people. We made that decision because we wanted our family to be out of a major city and we wanted to

have some space ourselves. And it's a perfect example of like knowing when you're leaving some chips on the table, but being willing to leave them there anyway because. To me, it wasn't a sacrifice because Austin is so grounding. I mean, not a sacrifice. Of course not for me either, but I'm saying like there's some people that would argue like, why aren't you in a more business-centric city entertainment in LA or New York. But I think we both decided that we wanted to be in a place where we could have some space and be removed. And it comes with the cost of maybe not doing as well with the businesses as we could if we were there. But the difficulty with those cities and in our personal opinion is you may have to sacrifice some things as well, personally. I think you have to focus on what's

important to you. And my number one thing is my piece and my family's piece. And I think, you know, something different might be important to someone who's listening. And I think zoning in on that and getting aligned with your partner is really important. I got one for you. Okay. When you're evaluating a new idea for the next 10-year plan, what is the exact checklist or criteria that gets you to a pass or a go? It has to be something to me that's worth it being away from my children.

I really love my soft, feminine maternal side. And I really love being with my children. and if I'm going to be away from them, it has to be something that's really worth it. And I'll give an example. As you guys know, we went to Harvard for a week and we did a course there. And to me, we learned so much. It was an incredible experience to have with my husband. And that was something that I think that I can not only teach the audience things I learned, but hopefully my children one day. And that was something that felt really fruitful and interesting and something like it would add a layer to my life. If it's something that is just driven by money, that's not enough for me. It has to be

something that enhances my life or my brain. As far as like in the next 10 years, I think you have to go back to what we said earlier. Write down what you want in 10 years and work backwards to get there. That's pretty, that's what I do. And I don't, I don't want to make it harder and more overwhelming that it is. I write down what I want in 10 years and I write down the steps that it takes to get there. And then I do the steps. And I do the steps even when I don't want to. And I'll give you an example of this. I want to have the best body of my life. And then how's my body looking now? Good. Good. No complaints. I want to have the best body of my life in the next year. I'm so focused on that. So what does that mean? That means move.

every single day for at least an hour. They need a recovery day, though, but go on. I know. Well, we have a fight about this. It means spending time on my health. It means eating the same thing every day. It's chicken every day. I'm eating chicken and beef bowls, a lot of eggs, a lot of raw milk.

We had some variety. I add some variety. Hold on. When I go on vacation, I let it rip. I'm not one of those people that's like psycho on vacation. I start with a protein and then. We also like to alter each other's 10-year vision plans. Yeah.

Okay. But my body and my health and how I feel is really important to me in the next year. I'm taking it very seriously. I'm not going to subscribe to the narrative of because I've had three kids, I can't get the body of my dreams. I'm not doing that. I will have the best body of my life in the next year, period. And that's just how I'm dealing with my day to day. and how I'm going to do that is within my daily habits.

And so if I have a goal like that, it really is showing up every single day consistency. And it's sometimes it's boring and it's not glamorous and I'm hung over and I'm tired. And my baby's cut me up at night or we're traveling. Like great example last night. We got off a flight from London, a nine hour flight. And we got home at night last night. And guess what? We wake up this morning.

It's back to the gym. And I really don't negotiate with myself on those habits. It's just showing up like I'm brushing my teeth. One of the biggest things that I've learned from high performers on this show is that there's no negotiation with self when it comes to hard things. None. It's the successful people, they make a decision. Yep.

That's the decision. There is no compromise. That's good advice. And there's no talking yourself out of it. It's if you decide, and broadly, like, I, I've decided I'm going to be a great husband and father. So if I've made that decision, that means that I cannot do anything that compromises that decision, right?

I can't put myself in situations. I can't behave in certain ways. I can't not show up. I have to do certain things. If you made a decision that you are a healthy fit person, then you have to do things that healthy fit people do. It's not, oh, well, I deserve this or I work. Listen, that doesn't say you can have cheat days and stuff, but consistently you have to

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color way now. I also do want to say that one thing you and I love to do and what we will continue to do in the future is we like to have fun we like to have fun I have no apologies about that I work my ass off I try my best I am working all the time even when it looks like I'm not working but when I have fun I can take off my work cap I can put it aside and I can let it rip guys I know so many successful people on paper that are so miserable they have more resources than most people could ever imagine, yet they don't enjoy life. They don't have fun. They don't have love in their life. It's all about a conquest for more, you know, more success, better body, more conquest with men or women. And they don't have fun. I could tell you firsthand,

if you ever reach a point of certain kinds of success and you don't have fun with it, it's just your your misery is going to be amplified. And so for Lauren and I, like, we enjoy life. We like to have fun with friends. We like to have fun with each other. We like to have fun with our children and our family. And we like to be fun people in general. I don't, even in the companies we work with, like I don't, if there's somebody dragging the culture down that's a miserable person, no matter how much of a high performer they are, it could be the best salesperson in the world, the best producer. If they're a miserable person, then I don't want to work with them. And so, you know, another thing we've learned from people that are successful and happy is they

enjoy life. They appreciate it. They have fun. I think that's going to be a theme next year. And the year after, I think people are going to be really focused on having fun in person without their phone. Yeah, and fun doesn't need to mean like you abuse your body or yourself too much, but you know, you have to be able to enjoy a little bit of life. There's some other questions here. It's called After a Thousand Conversation Questions. What's something that's completely changed the way you think in general or about a specific subject and why? It relates to the show.

Oh, the show. Yeah. Who completely. Who? Like who? Sorry, who. Yes, who. Sorry, guys. I think Rob Deerjack has changed how I think about time. I think a lot of people have changed how I feel about amino acids, which is so random. But I think they're so important and people should look more into their amino acids consumption for hair, for nails, for energy. I think when I first started the show, I was only doing Pilates and Cardio.

and now I'm lifting weights four to five times a week. Heavy weights, heavy weights, whether it's with P-Volve or Sandy. And I think also I've learned to your point earlier that everyone is coming to their own perspective because of their own life experience and to be open to the left, the right, the middle, whatever it is, to be able to have a conversation and not insert my opinion all the time, I think that this show has taught me the art of doing that. And I do want to say, like, 10 years ago when I started the show, I was a different person on so many different wavelengths. And it's been a slow transformation. And I don't want, I don't have it right. I just feel like I'm

the most aligned that I've ever been. And I want to share that because I'm sure there's someone listening that's going through like a postpartum depression like I went through. And if I can, you know, sort of help in any way and guide in areas that I've had troubles, then that to me is like why we do the show. I got a weird one. There's so many philosophical routes that I could take this. You know, we've interviewed over the years people in porn and sex workers. And as most typical guys, 10 years ago, I would dabble in porn here and there.

as many guys do. After interviewing people in those spaces, and I'm not going to call anyone out by name. People can find these on our library if they've been a fan for a while. I cannot watch any porn anymore. I'm not interested in it. And I think there's such a dark side to it for society

and for men in general. I think after I heard some of those stories and saw the person, one, I felt strange, like what am I doing, sitting on a screen, watching somebody else and getting excited. And two, who are the people that are, in some cases, being forced to participate or having to participate? Some people like it.

And three, what I've learned is it is really bad, I think, for your hormones and your overall health. I think I read recently that, like, men lose their hair by participating in porn. They lose their sex drives. They stop figuring out how to be intimate. So, I don't know, four or five years ago, I just completely like got rid of that. stuff. And one of the benefits also of being in Texas is if you try to go to a porn site here, like you have to verify that you're 18 and put in for me, but nobody's doing that. That's

crazy behavior. And so after having those conversations with people that work in that space, I just became completely uninterested in it. Maybe because I have a daughter as well, but I got way over that entire deal. For the guys listening, for your overall health and well-being and libido, maybe look into it. And for the girls, listen, no guy wants to be scolded. or yelled out about watching porn, right? Like, I think leave the guys on that, but I think offer them up the perspective of this is maybe not so great for their health or their love life.

And I think a lot of guys, part of the issue now with testosterone and it plummeting, and people's sex drives and sex lives plummeting, especially for a lot of young guys, is like porn is more readily available than ever. And I think it's a bad thing for people to participate in. I hope I didn't offend anybody in the porn industry. I'm sure.

Make your money do your thing. but anyone who wants their significant other to stop watching porn go turn that up and put it on all the speakers in your entire house how the hell do you do that i could do that on sonos you know over the years we've changed a lot but i think you covered a lot of the broad strokes what's one trait the healthiest wealthiest and happiest people all share their mindset i think what i've noticed is that the healthiest happiest people look forward and they don't blame their past or anyone else on their current life circumstances whether they're good or bad circumstances they take full accountability and they look forward. I think the opposite is true for people that tend to be unhappy or unsuccessful. They constantly blame either people around them or their circumstances or their past. And what I've noticed is that happy, healthy people, they're constantly looking forward and they're taking full accountability. When you look ahead to 2036, what does success look like for you? As we look forward another 10 years, the goals and the accolades will be different because

what we wanted to accomplish 10 years ago until now, we've, you know, we haven't accomplished everything, but we've done a lot of the things we set out to do. I think one thing that has remained constant is we want this show to be a resource, a source of inspiration, a place where people go to change their lives, to get information. Maybe they're not getting in other places to discover new ideas and new people. So that'll always be a cornerstone of what I think success looks like. And I think 10 years are now, in 2036, we'll have a 16-year-old daughter. So don't cry.

Hopefully by then, we will always. have set enough of an example where our children will have a good idea or blueprint of a potential path to follow, maybe not in the same industry or same life or same path, but will be a good example in that hopefully by then we will have continued to bring up other people and made more people more successful that are around us. You know, I think like financially and business perspective, like, again, more is more is not always the answer, but we, you obviously want to continue to do well. And hopefully also we are then, or we will be still married and setting a good example of what a great marriage and life looks like together with a lot of new

interesting conversations over the next decade, if we last that long. But we'll see. I don't know. Do you think we'll do this for another 10 years? I don't know. I think as long as it continues to be a resource and we can talk to interesting people and have conversations that are compelling with each other. Yes, I want my family to be a tribe. I want us to travel together. I want us to have all different kinds of experiences. It's really important for me to have a lot of family time. And we want to focus on creating a compound in our home and having fun, lots of fun. And then for me, I want to write a lot of books. I told you this. And maybe I should say that again because I said more.

And for me, I want to write a lot of books. A lot of books. Yeah? I want to write one great book. Okay. Oh, sweet. Mine aren't. No, no, no.

Meaning like you might have a bunch of great books, but I think I've got one great book in 10 years. You know the problem I have sometimes with, and maybe people don't like this? I got to be careful because we have a lot of people that come on and do this. And I don't want them to stop coming on. I don't want to write a memoir at 39 because I feel like there's a lot more life ahead and like the memoir should come like what if you write the memoir at 39?

You want to be like salt and pepper vibes with your memoir. I think the memoir has got to come out when you have like a longer track record unless you've lived like a rock and roll lifestyle that's so crazy. It's like you know the memoirs got to come out because so much shit's happened. I have a lot of books in me. It's not memoirs.

I'd like one great book in me. I think I got it. I think I need to really learn how to do that, though. I don't have writing a book as a skill set yet. That is a really bad affirmation. I said yet. I said yet. Okay. To leave the audience with. You will write a book, an exceptional book.

Mindset. Maybe it'll be a novel. Okay. Thank you guys for hanging in with us all this time, a thousand episodes. For those of you that have been through all of them, you guys are champions. For those of you that are new or just jumping in, appreciate you. More to come. When is our next thousand episodes going to be? Well, let's think about it. It took us 10 years and, no, 10 years and like five months or four months to get to 1,000 episodes.

But in the beginning, we did one a week. And then we switched to three or two a week. Then we did three weeks. So I don't know. I bet it would take us eight years. Yeah, maybe like seven or eight years if we wanted to do another thousand. Unless we get tired and maybe want to go back to just once a week. I don't know.

All right. The goal at one point was to get to a thousand. And we said if we get to a thousand, maybe, eh, good. Cheers. But we still like it. So we keep going. Thank you guys. Appreciate y'all.