The Bossticks - Gwen Stefani - No Doubt To No Limits, A Candid Conversation

Episode Date: March 11, 2024

#671: Today, we're sitting down with Gwen Stefani, a three-time GRAMMY award winner, songwriter, performer, charismatic frontwoman of No Doubt, and a multi-platinum solo artist. She's also the founder of GXVE Beauty, a color cosmetics collection inspired by Stefani's iconic looks and created for the community of makeup lovers that find their inspiration, individuality, and self-expression through artistry. Today, we have a conversation about Gwen's career, how she grew up in a very musical household, and how her band began to gain momentum in the music industry. She also discusses life after fame and dives into the craziest things about success, why she chose to begin a cosmetics brand, and how her wellness practices have influenced her life.   To connect with Gwen Stefani click HERE To connect with GXVE Beauty click HERE    Use code SKINNY at GXVEbeauty.com to get 30% off sitewide. To connect with Lauryn Evarts Bosstick click HERE To connect with Michael Bosstick click HERE Read More on The Skinny Confidential HERE To Watch the Show click HERE For Detailed Show Notes visit TSCPODCAST.COM To Call the Him & Her Hotline call: 1-833-SKINNYS (754-6697) This episode is brought to you by The Skinny Confidential This episode is brought to you by Nutrafol Nutrafol is the #1 dermatologist recommended hair growth supplement, clinically shown to improve your hair growth, thickness, and visible scalp coverage. Go to nutrafol.com and use code SKINNYHAIR to save $10 off your first month's subscription, plus free shipping. This episode is brought to you by AG1 If you want to take ownership of your health, it starts with AG1. Go to drinkAG1.com/SKINNY to get a free 1-year supply of Vitamin D3K2 AND 5 free AG1 Travel Packs with your first purchase. This episode is brought to you by Kerastase Visit Kerastase-USA.com and use code SKINNY15 to receive 15% off your purchase. Offer valid through 5/31/2024. This episode is brought to you by Branch Basics The Branch Basics Premium Starter Kit will provide you with everything you need to replace all of your toxic cleaning products in your home. It's really a no-brainer. Go to branchbasics.com and use code SKINNY for 15% off their starter kit and free shipping. This episode is brought to you by Dreamland Baby Use code SKINNY at checkout for 20% off sitewide & free shipping at dreamlandbabyco.com This episode is brought to you by OneSkin Get 15% Off OneSkin products by using code SKINNY at oneskin.co Produced by Dear Media  

The following podcast is a dear media production. She's a lifestyle blogger extraordinaire. Fantastic. And he's a serial entrepreneur. A very smart cookie. And now Lauren Everts and Michael Bostic are bringing you along for the ride. Get ready for some major realness. Welcome to the skinny confidential, him and her.

My best work I feel like ever do in including this interview, like anything that I'm ever good at, is when I'm collaborating with people that are good at what they do, you know? And it's like, especially when it's kind of coming from different worlds is where when it collides together and it actually turns into something new and fresh, that's what I, that's what I thrive on the most. Gwen Stefani, like never before. I absolutely loved doing this interview. She is so riveting and charismatic in person.

And the way that she tells her life story is just like. you can't turn away. It's so good. In this episode, we're sitting down with Gwen, a three-time Grammy Award winner, songwriter, performer, and front woman of no doubt. She is also a multi-platinum solo artist, and she is the founder of Give Beauty. She created Give Beauty, a color cosmetics collection inspired by her iconic looks. I had the pleasure of her actually doing her iconic red lip on me. She did the liner. She did the lipstick. I'm going to post it on TikTok. And I am telling you this red lipstick was so good. My lips have never looked better with a red lip. I also posted a photo of me wearing the red lips. So go check it out on my Instagram. And Gwen offered you guys an incredible

code. She's giving 30% off at givebeautcom sitewide. Go get this lipstick. I'm telling you. You can use code skinny at checkout. That's givebeautcom for 30% off. I'm sure you also know that no doubt is playing at Coachella. All right, let's do this. Gwen, welcome to the Him and Her show. This is the Skinny Confidential Him and Her. Gwen Stefani is in studio looking so cute. Thank you. With an amazing ensemble. I am so excited to have you. We've wanted to have you on the podcast for so long. Really? Yes. Dang.

Yes. Well, congratulations to you guys. I mean, I looked you guys up before I came. I was like, wow, they did it. Like, they're huge. It's rare. You know what I mean? In your old school and you're doing so many things.

It's just, it's cool. It's nice to meet you guys. Michael's going to take that clip and play to himself. I was in my office warming up to your song, just a girl. I was in there, like, rocking out because I was thinking, I was like when we first started, we met when we were 12. I heard this story right before I came in. And it's so cute. Keep going.

That song was banging back then. Although that was probably on some of our date, you know, routines. It's so funny. My son met his girlfriend when they were in sixth grade and they're still together. How old are they now? Well, now he's going to be 18. And they're like so awesome together. And then my little baby brother, who you just met the guy that's with me, he met his wife,

my sister-in-law, when they were 15 and they're still together. And then my parents met when they were 15 and they're still together. So it's not like that. like common and it's but it's so inspiring to meet somebody that met their soulmate when they were little i put him on ice she put me on pause for like smart 10 years eight years nine years i was like that's a long time i need i need a beat i need a minute but then no yeah there's so much to cover with you but i would i just would love to tell your story from the beginning where'd you grow up what was your childhood like let's go way way way back before all your success oh i thought you were going to read

something like oh you want me to save my story yeah okay well i was born it and Anaheim, California, which is right down there on the five. And I have, like I told you, my parents met when they were in high school. They went to Anheim High School. And my parents were pretty, like, into music. Like, my dad played guitar and piano. And there's a little music in the family. Like, my grandma was, like, this fiery redhead that played the trumpet at that time. That was kind of crazy. Her dad, like, reconstructed, like, pianos. This is, like, in the Depression when they came here. It's like crazy history, but then fast forward to being in a, like, a dyslexic little girl that didn't know and, like, didn't know what I was going to do when I grew up at all and had no, like, gifts or talents or ambitions or dream, not even dreams. I was just like, how do I get through this class?

And then we started a band because, and I was 17 and there was like a high school talent show. And so everybody, I, my older brother was like a really talented, like. like eccentric guy. And I just kind of was like really looked up to him. He was like my best friend of high school. We did everything together. And he played keyboards. And he's the one that brought home like this madness record,

which is a band out of England that did this music called Skaw, which was super underground. Nobody like really knew it. Some people might have known like Our House or like, it must be love, which was just like two songs they played. Like Operation Ivy type stuff? It was way before that. But it was like Skaw.

So it was, it basically started in around the same. time as like punk rock in the late 70s like in England. Punk rock vibe. It was very punk rock and there was like a lot of bands that went in that whole thing. So we got really into that and we thought, oh my gosh, we discovered something. Nobody knows. And so we did the talent show. Then we were like, okay, now we're going to make a real band.

Like that was so fun. And then we did no doubt. And we didn't, we weren't trying to like make it. We were just like, this is what we do. Like this is what we do. When you're really, really little though, do you look back. and see little moments where you were musically talented. Like, now that you're, you don't see anything, there's nothing that you look back and think.

The only thing I know is that, like, I, like, I'd be in the back of the station wagon on the way to church. Like, and I feel like I knew, like, every song that would come on the radio. I could sing along to it. And I knew that I liked singing, like I could sing, but I don't mean like I could sing. I just felt like physically loved to sing. And I would sing along to, like, the Annie soundtrack. or like the sound of music or like I was really into like those kind of musicals when I was a kid. But I didn't, I promise you, like I was like, I just, I didn't know anything about who I was or

what I was going to be until I wrote my first song. And when I wrote my first song, I didn't even know I could write a song. I just like it just wrote. It just happened. Like I always feel like it just channeled down. And it was like God's gift to me. And I'm like, oh my God, really? I can do this.

It was like a magical power that I didn't know I had. And nobody taught you how to like put them together. No, because my brother was the main songwriter in the group, and he's so creative and so incredible. And he ended up, like, quitting the band after about nine years because he was an animator and he was working for The Simpsons. And he just wanted, he didn't, he's like a true artist in the sense he won't, he didn't want to collaborate. He didn't want to label. He didn't want anyone trying to, like, change him or, you know what I mean? He just was, he's like a very purist kind of guy.

Yeah. So then I started writing because he was not there. So then that's just, and then also I got broken up with. And then it was like my whole, when he quit the band and I got broken up with it around the same time, that's when I was like, okay, I've just started, they just came out. I don't even know how to describe it. Why didn't you write any songs when I broke up with you? I didn't write songs. How's going on?

I dated other guys. I was going to write terrible songs. Nobody would listen though. So do you remember the first moment that you started to feel traction and momentum within your band? I can remember, like, it's so cute when I think back. to how young we were and like the way we had this our own like world within our own world like nobody was telling us what to do we didn't have a label we didn't have nobody was telling me oh put your makeup like this or wear this or and it was just homemade like completely homemade to the point

where we like had like a cigarette like no like a cigar box like like the band account like literally like old school with money in it like every time you'd make money you'd put it in and go back into the band. Like, it was really, like, organized for a bunch of nerds that had no idea what they were doing. But we were all going to college, and we all had other plans to try to be something and make it. And, you know, we were all just kind of good kids. But we just loved doing this music. And my brother ended up moving out into my grandma and grandpa's house after they passed away.

And it was in Anaheim on the street called the Beacon Street. He lived there, and I lived, like, five minutes away. Did you guys just start touring and then people discover you? Or did you actively go out? We didn't have any means to really tour. Like I was saying, like my brother moved into this house and it became the ban house, right? And so I live like five minutes with my parents still. So I live with my parents until I was 26.

And I was just kept going because I told you I was like dyslexic. I didn't. I had to start over again with college. So I went to like community college and I had to like get all the points and all the everything to like finally go and transfer to Cal State Fuller. and then I was going to be an art major, and I just, I was just floating. I don't even know how to describe it. Like, that's why I really believe in my, like, the, like, God, because it's like, otherwise, like, how did this happen?

Like, it's so ridiculous. I basically, basically at that time, so then all the other members started coming together because there was, like, a lot of different evolution of people that ended up being the, no doubt. Then those guys, like, moved in to the bandhouse and when we built, like, a studio there, and we would just go there and we would rehearse, like, every Thursday and Sunday, day. And everybody was going to school. So I think at that time, we, we just, we knew that we were lucky. Like, we just always were good live. And we could go play places and people would come. I don't

know why. Like, I can remember the first time I went to Tower Records and I went in there and I was like, I think people are recognizing me. Like, this is like, in Anaheim. I remember shopping and Tower Records for your CD. That's so funny. I remember buying your CD. It might have been warehouse. But, Either way. Cool. I remember, like, being at this camp, Camp Fox, it was the summer camp. We went to Camp Fox. Yeah, I went to Camp Fox.

And I remember somebody. We grew up in San Diego, so. Oh, okay. And I remember, like, somebody being, hey, yeah, we heard your demo. And I was like, what? How? Like, because we used to make, like, little cassettes and, like, give them out, you know, like, 50. How do we do here?

It was, like, we only made 20 or whatever. So it was just really, like, a slow burn. And we never thought we were going to make. it, but I think our biggest goal was to tour or to have music on a record, but how do you do that? You have to have money to do that. So until you get signed, which I didn't even really know what that meant, but the guys were like, we got to get signed or whatever. And the way we got signed was we found this guy that was working in the mail room at William

Morris Agency that was just this like surfer, kind of like skater guy that got friends with Tony and he somehow put like a showcase together. and this guy Tony Ferguson that used to live in England and do all that. He used to work at this label called Stiff Records that was like this whole

all the ska bands were on there. He saw us because he's English and he's like, oh my gosh, they're doing this here, like what's going on? And so then he made us

do a showcase for Jimmy Iveen and Jimmy had just started Interscope. There was nobody on the label. It was I think it was Marky Mark maybe had been and I think this band called Primus. I don't know if you remember them,

but, and he came down and he said, said to me, he pulled me aside at this like showcases. Basically a showcase is like us in a room, like playing our song, like being all like crazy like we're on stage, but there's nobody there with them. Do you know what I'm saying? Like a fake show. He pulled me inside. He's like, yeah, like, I didn't know who he was. I was so naive. He was like, you're going to be a star in six years. And I was like, who are you? Like, get out of my face, Jimmy. And he was like, was he was,

six years? Six years on the dot. Don't speak with number one around the world and just such a weird. Looking back, you had the star quality. He said it to you. Did you know that you had? No. You had no idea. No. I can remember things happening though, like live. Like I can remember, we had a lot of things happen. You know, Mark McGrath was in here and he was talking and he was telling similar story. Like, I mean, he's an Orange County guy too. And it was like one day they were just playing and nobody knew them. And then the next day like, was that how it was for you? Was it a snap or no? It wasn't. It was really because we were built into this like automatic. audience of the kind of music we were doing, there would be, like, for example, I played in Vegas

this week last New Year's, and the guy that's like the CEO that came into the room, he was like, you don't understand, like, I used to be into all that music and we used to take our scooters and rally to go see you guys play, like, he's from Arizona and, like, so, like, the scene was very, like, loyal, and, like, everybody that was in it was, like, underground and they knew about it, and it was, like, their thing. Do you know what I'm saying? So, like, if you knew you were going to play with these bands, everybody that liked that music would show up. So we got really lucky in that way. And then as we kind of evolved, we started getting the haters like back then, like, oh, they're doing, that's not ska anymore. You know what I mean? The haters are good for you,

though, right? It's like good PR. We just didn't know anything that we were doing. So we would just, we would just make it up. And then it would be our next song, you know what I mean? So it was very like, but I can remember moments like where I'd be on stage and again, remember nobody. ever, nobody in charge, like, just we're in charge. And just feeling like, oh, my gosh, like, I don't know, like, I know what I'm doing up here. One thing about you that I think that you did really well. And I'm wondering if this was strategic or just natural is you stood out amongst all of the women that were coming up at that time. Like, you were an outlier. For me, it was like, I was so me the whole time that I didn't even, I was so, I was so.

naive and I didn't know anything like about anything else that was happening because I was from Anaheim like we never came up to L.A. Like I remember the first time I came to Melrose to go shopping and I got to like see all those punk rock stores and all the vintage stores and because I was really super into like thrifting and anything that was old or vintage and I used to make clothes a lot. So I was like very into like my own personal style but only because probably like my grandma made my mom's clothes. Her mom made her clothes. Like my mom would make my clothes when I was little. So it was like a creative thing that was, I don't know why. Like I don't know why I like pizza so much. Like I just always liked clothes and like just being like different and wearing something that I thought was like

cool and finding my style. It was just always just something I did. So the fact that like, and it was always done under really restricted situation where there was no money and how am I going to make this work. Right? So it was like, I can remember. my mom being like, okay, we're going to go to the mall for school shopping. And I'm like, I don't want to go to the mall. Like, can you just give me like $100 and I'll go like like a bunch of stuff at the thrift store? And like, then I'd bring it home and, and like sew it and make it into whatever I was going to wear. Like resourcefully creative. It was just fun. I don't know. And it's like when fame started happening, do you feel you handled it well or was it something

you had to adjust to? I think I handled it really well because that naive, like innocent, just floaty personality I had was just like, okay, what's next? Like, I didn't think much about anything except for what was the next outfit I was going to wear and like how I was going to do my makeup on stage. And I don't know, I was just very simple back then at that time in my life. And I didn't really know anything about what was going on with like being signed and what that meant and like touring. They would just hand me the book and I'd be like, I know it makes me sound so dumb.

dumb, but I was very much floating at that time. But I was doing all the creative part. That's the part that I like to do. You were putting your energy towards what you needed to do. Yeah, like, I was dreaming about like what am I, what, what's the next look? Like what are we, how are we going to do the set list? Like how are we, you know, that kind of stuff. So I just, I don't know, it's weird to go back and think about all that stuff right now. No, it's when you hear really successful celebrities talk, the really, really successful ones, they, it's, it's a slow build. It's not like, sometimes I think in stay in age in 2004, people get famous like that. And I think it's so much better to be slow and not so, and not like so quick. I was also really old. Like, I was 26 when just a girl

came out. I'd already been at you as like 19. I was, I was, I've been in. No, it's not old. It's not old. It is if you think about, I'd already been in my band nine years. As you've been doing it. So, like, I had already been like doing shows. Like, basically our record was being mixed by this guy. and he loved the record so much and Interscope didn't know what to do with it. So then this guy was like, he had a label and he's like, can we work this record? But I knew like it was us, Googood Dolls,

and it was an arena tour. We'd never done something like that. We'd toured, but not like a huge arena. And but I don't know. I would just like wake up in the morning, put on my roller blades, like rollerblade around, get ready, put my makeup on. I had like my one outfit

and just get up there and be like, you guys are about ready to get sliced. You have no idea what's going to come. right now to from me is MTV playing back in this because we grew up with the women of the Carson was the the RL TRL yeah it was huge yeah it was that was total MTV world like being able to make a video and you know even getting on the radio because we were your San Diego we were like K Rock right because K Rock was it was it no 106.7 what was 103.7 what was 103.5 I thought that was another one too but anyways one of three

five is all that young people like what the fuck are you guys talking about that's a radio that's the shit right there that's my like that's That's love songs on the coast, buddy. Yeah, wrong one. You were listening to that when I broke up with you. Maybe this one just broke up with me and I was so there. Yeah, wrong station. I used to listen to shit out of that.

And then my boyfriend, I'd be like, crying. But I remember we would come home from school back in the day and you would turn on TRL and that's how you would figure out like the 10 new songs to listen to. Because we didn't have. Yes. You know, we were like right of that generation Napster LimeWire days, I'm sure you loved.

But we didn't have, like that was the discovery. ability. Now it's so hard to keep up with everything. It is. And it's like, it's so crazy because I have children that are teenagers. So it's like to watch them discover stuff. Like even like maybe, I don't know, six years ago when they started, you know, when King started in music, it was like, how do you even know this band? But it's like they, the phone shows you all this stuff. So you're just able to like find it. And I remember when King was like, oh, I think my favorite song of yours is Settled Down, which is like this no doubt song that we did. Like it was one of the last song. And it was one of the last that we did that nobody heard. I was like, what? Like, how do you like that song? Like,

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you play, like, the, you know, the big markets, like, the, LA and New York and all that. And then there's secondary markets, they call them. And so the tour just kept getting extended because it was so, it was us. We kept getting bigger, right? And everybody just kept getting bigger. And the tour just kept getting bigger and bigger. And they just kept adding dates, adding dates, adding dates.

And how many people are you playing in front of everything? It's an arena. So like anywhere from, you know, it could be like 10,000 to 15,000. Damn. It's got to be the craziest feeling. It was amazing. It was really amazing and really like. like in weird and lonely and just, I don't know how to describe it.

You just feel like, it's just everything blurs into each other every day, you know, and you're in a different place, but you don't know where you're at. And there's no cell phones everywhere? No, there's no cell phones. And you just have like literally a little book that they give you that's like, okay, you have, and I would count. I'd be like, okay, 100 more shows. I'll be home in like five months or whatever.

But that, no doubt tour, we basically did the Just a Girl video, walked to the airport, like from the shoot, and went on tour and didn't really come home for two and a half years. Because just a girl came out. Then it was Spiderwebs. Then the third single was Don't Speak, which then at that point, that took like a year. And we started over with that song worldwide.

Like we started, we ended up in India at the end. Like, we were like, so we'd never been. I'd never even left. The furthest I'd been was San Francisco. We went one trip when I was 21. when we went to Italy for two weeks. So for me, like, I hadn't gone anywhere, and it was just an amazing life.

Like, if anything, if there's anything that I could say was my number one thing about my success was the traveling, like to be able to see culture around the world and see how music ties us and pulls us all together. Like, to have a song that is about my actual true life, be able to be translated in all these languages and people just somehow look at me like they know me and relate to me so much. It was like, that was the craziest part, I think, and the most fulfilling

and just, I don't know, I learned so much about myself and about people and the traveling is just everything. How does your friends and family feel when you're gone for two years? How does that work? Well, I would come home, like, you know, like for little, like, okay, and I still lived at my parents. So, like, because I left, I had probably like maybe $2,000 because I was, you have to remember, let's back up. So when I was 20, Around 19, so like right around actually the time when John had passed away, I was working at the mall with Tony. And I was working in this place called Plaza Sportswear, which was like an old ladies, women's pull-on pant like outfit thing. And I loved working there actually.

And then I wanted to be like a makeup artist. I was like, they're so pretty and like, I know I can do that. Like I'm just going to ask if they'll let me be a makeup artist. And I literally just went to my manager and was like, I really want to try to be a makeup artist. I literally just went to my manager. I was like, I really want to try to be a makeup artist over there. They're like, well, let's see if there's an opening or whatever. Just open the gate.

They were like, go in. You're going to work for Borgesa Ultima 2. Like, here's a little lab coat and pretend that you know what you're doing because they didn't teach me anything. They didn't send me to school. They didn't have reps come out. They were like, if you sell this mini, you're going to get to get this old Calvin Klein sample of this fragrance and you can take it home.

It's been used by 100 people, but you're going to win that. If you sell enough makeup, what a prize. I would be like, yes. Or if you sell enough makeup, you can take this old, you know, like, eye shadow that's been basically on display for people to use as your gift to come home to. And I was like, yes. That's how we did it in the old days. So I worked at the makeup counter for, I don't know how long, like, but it was really like, I didn't have any training. I just was, it would be like people would come in and be like, do my makeup.

And I think for me, like, that was just such an incredible thing to be able to give somebody that gift of makeup. Because as we know, like, when you feel your worst, it can really turn things around. And I could just remember women coming in just being desperate, like not knowing what to buy, not knowing how to feel beautiful. And I would just do their makeup and tell them how to wear it or whatever. And they'd buy something and they'd walk away, like almost crying when they look up myself in the mirror. Was it weird for your friends and family when you come back from performing in arenas of 20,000 people? Or was my family was like obviously nobody thought that was going to happen.

And so when I would come home, like the dining room table would be literally full of like CDs and whatever it was that people had given my parents with like a post-it with their name to sign. That's cute. It sounds like your parents are super supportive. They were really supportive. They learned really quick to say, no, we're not doing that more because it was just behind. hundreds and hundreds and hundreds. And also, like, my dad, at the time, we had, you know, we didn't have a cell phone. So it would be like, my answering machine would be there. So he'd be like, okay, like, I got all your messages off your answering machine. And, like, you know, we had the little

cassettes back then. And so I remember, I remember coming home and, like, listening to all my messages. And I don't know. It was, and then basically, once that big tour was over, I was like, I was rich, like, rich. And I went and bought a house. and me and my sister moved up to L.A. And my house was like a little mini mansion. And it was like, it was just like, what? And that was when the real work started. Because that was when it was like, okay, like, I got to be a real songwriter.

Like, I need to take myself seriously. Like, I need to write. Like, I suddenly got really serious about myself, you know? And that's when we started writing this record called Return to Saturn, which took forever. You've been in the space a long time. You've seen probably the good, the bad, the ugly, all of it. in the beginning and maybe now, how do you filter out, like, who's there for the right reasons and who's there for the wrong reasons, especially when you're starting to have all that success

because, you know, especially in this town, people start to get attention and all sorts of people start to crawl out of every other kind of rock. How did you kind of navigate that? It was a really small circle, you know? Like, I am so close with my own family. You saw my brothers here. He does everything with me. Like, my sister was living with me. And with no doubt, we were just like a family. Like we did everything together. And all we ever did was no doubt. Like we, at that time, we were just writing, just trying to, you know, make another record.

Everything that we did was centered around that. So there wasn't like a lot of room for anyone to even get into the inner circle. Yeah, it was just like such a small group of people. And we worked so hard. Like no one told us how to work hard, but like you think about it now and how things are different and how people's mentality is different. But like for us, it was like, we. would literally go to rehearsal and like I would be like dad I need five bucks because I need to get

a microphone to rent and he'd be like and it was just to rent a microphone so I could rehearse and we would like basically you know my dad was one of the first ones to buy a video camera when they came out and so we would like videotape ourselves at rehearsal and we were like we had such a buzz that we were at this place called stomp box in orange county and a lot of bands played there it would be like, you know, a lot of heavy metal bands and, you know, just people trying to make it or whatever. And they have these little windows like you have at school, like a tiny little window. And we would have people like, we were nobody, but everybody would watch us in there because we would do these full shows. And I guess that's just how we got good because we would just,

like, if we were, we'd start a song, we'd be like, you messed up, we'd start up again. Like it was literally legit hard work that we put in on ourselves. And I don't know how you get, you know, at that time it was five people that would agree to do that, but it was meant to be, you know what I mean? What's your favorite memory of a song that you've written? I think the most craziest one, which is very unusual, would be don't speak, because that's the song that still, like, even my little baby, he's like, my favorite song of yours is don't speak, and he's like nine.

And I'm like, he doesn't know any of my songs, really, but like he just, he knows that one because everyone knows that song. I don't know how, but it just keeps living on. but my brother had written the original song, my older brother, and it had a completely different verse and different lyrics, like completely different. My brother was so eccentric, like, we would practice all day and then we would leave,

and then he would stay up all night smoking cigarettes and eating Fritos and, like, peanut butter and jelly sandwiches, and we'd come back and you have a masterpiece. Like, we'd be like, so mad, like, how did you do, you know? And he had done that with Don't Speak, started playing it to us, and we were like, the chorus was, it was just a really amazing song, really amazing. but it was very long, very detailed.

So the label was like, this song is, the chorus is incredible. You guys just need to, like, simplify it, you know? And that's where my brother's like, like, I don't want to hear anybody's input. You know what I mean? Is this such an artist kind of guy, eccentric? And he was making fun of that. And we sat down at the piano, me and him. And he goes, you and me, but he didn't do the lyrics.

It was just do-da-do-do. Because it used to be, like this whole melody. And so that was like a really weird rewrite. It never happens. And the fact that that was like a rewrite and became like such a huge song that is still around is to me the most craziest one. And like the landscape of music is so different now. Like now when I'm writing music, which I've been writing a lot of music, I have a whole record coming this year, which I'm just, hello, excited about. But yeah, we basically now I just, I feel like I feel like when I write.

now it has to be like really um you go through different faces because like obviously like during the solo period i wrote outside the band and i was working with like professional songwriters like i didn't even know that existed when i was in no doubt people that just do nothing but right yeah and there's always there's always like flavors of the month people that are like making all the hits like you know you know i remember with feral he had never written outside of hip hop right when i first met him and And like, for whatever reason, I think it was probably Jimmy's idea for us to go in together. And I really wanted to do it. He was in his band nerd.

We were in no doubt. And it was like, come on, guys, we've got to go do this. We'd never written outside of the group. And so anyways, we went in the studio with Farrell. And he was just this freaking cute guy at record plant comes in on one of those, like, razor scooters, like, looking like a babe. And he had, like, five different studios going at one. one time. And he played us like five tracks and one of them was hella good. And we were like, that's the one we're going to do. And like within like maybe 15 minutes, like I was like,

I want to write a song called Hell of Good because I think that's a cool. I wanted to be a dance and I wanted to be fun. Like nothing deep. And we wrote the song. It was like over. Like I don't even know how we did it. It was just done. And then the band was very like, I don't know about that song because it was so different for us, you know? And I kept listening to it. like, you guys are freaking crazy if we don't do this song. This song is, like, incredible, like, da-da-da. And so that was the first time working kind of outside of the group and working with somebody that was so far out of our genre.

Like, he's a genius, you know? And so then I went on to get to work with him a bunch. But it's just always my best work that I feel like ever do, including this interview, like anything that I'm ever good at is when I'm collaborating with people that are good at what they do, you know? And it's like that energy of, like, like, especially when it's kind of coming from different worlds is where when it collides together and it actually turns into something new and fresh, that's what I, that's what I thrive

on the most. It's like the just a position of it, just works. Yeah. That song, by the way, I remember grinding you on your penis and caught. Oh, my goodness. Wow. When I was writing that, I was thinking. I think I was 19.

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I feel like I ended up doing a couple of little things, but it really wasn't for me. Like after, like, I did, I, it, I, yeah, it wasn't for me. But I also, I don't know why I got the idea, but I guess because I had always made my own clothes, I wanted to do a clothing line. I was like, it was so naive. I was like, I'm going to do a clothing line. Like, I don't know how you think you're going to do this because you've never done that before and you're just going to do it. And I was like, no, I'm doing it, like to myself. So my agent at the time, I said, I want to do a clothing line. And then it was one of those again, like synchronicity, like God things where this guy calls up. He's like, hey, I would want to do

a clothing line? Like, you know, we could do it. And, and I started. I started. doing it and I did lamb and I just came up with the whole like okay it's going to be lamb love angel music baby and um just started creating this brand out of nothing and at the same time this guy came to me to do handbag designing for the sports sack which was I had one yeah and you know they were huge in the 70s and then they were kind of having a little comeback and they were trying to get it cool again and so this guy that had owned it at the time was like would you want to be a guest designer. And like for me, again, I was talking about the 90s and how people thought. Like, if I did something and tried to sell it to people that were my fans, I feel like they would

think like you're just trying to get our money. Like, what are you doing? And for me, I was like, no, I'm doing this because I love to design clothes and I want to make my own dream closet and da-da-da-da. And then when he said designer, I guess designer, like it tickled my like ego. I was like, that's cool. Like, feels arty, you know? And so I did it. And I just thought, like, oh, I know what it needs to be. And then you couldn't even, like, walk down the street in New York without somebody having that bag. It was, like, the greatest, like, received thing. And that, to me was, like, validation.

Like, wow, like, they don't mind. They just want, they just want whatever it is. Like, they just want to be part of it, you know, and whoever these people are that love me and I love them. So I was like, I'm just going to, so then I started Lamb. And that was, that was, like, a really huge chapter. And at the same time of doing the, you know, the bags and the clothing line, which was crazy. Like I had a place in New York on Broadway.

I had a showroom. Like, it was weird. I don't know how I did it. And then it was really amazing to be doing fashion show, runway shows in New York, with just coming up with ideas. I put my whole, like, heart and mind and body, everything into that line. And then it, like, I did the first solo record, which was, again, like, the most creative, I think I've ever been able to be free and just be like, I didn't even know I was going to feel that way.

I just wanted to do a dance record. And it's just like my mind was exploding. Is it because you got to just do everything you wanted to do without having to worry about, not that collaboration was bad, but it was just like you didn't have to maybe get approval or have it run through anybody but you. I think it just felt like there was no limit. Yeah. Like I could be girly. I could have background dancers. I could wear costumes.

I could do costume changes. Like everything that I couldn't really do in the band because we already had our own kind of aesthetic and our own rules. But yeah, definitely. But I didn't really think I thought about that at the time. I just felt like an explosion. And then after that was like, you know, I was about ready to go on the tour, which I wasn't going to tour on those records because I didn't want to take that away from the no doubt time or whatever. But I was like, I got it. It was just like in me to do it because how do I not tour this now?

like it was so huge and so amazing and so creative. And so I was about ready to do that. I was going to be a really short tour and I find out I'm pregnant with Kingston. And I was in rehearsals and I was like so sick. And like I had twisted my ankle and it was like the saddest tour. It's like the first time I had to work with this band, first time I ever had dancers, first time I ever did costume changes, first time being pregnant. And I think I like, you know, cried like every night, threw up.

And my costumes were like every time, like first time I had boobs. Like it was like everything at first. And I, the costumes just kept getting like expanded, expanded, expanded. But yeah, that was the beginning of the babies. And so there was a lot of output during that Love Angel Music baby phase. How many years did you do the voice? Eight seasons. Wow.

So it's not years because it's like I didn't do them consecutively. But it's been I'm, I started when, well, Apollo is going to be 10 in February. Then in February. So eight seasons, but if you were to La Corolla, it was like a 10-year period. Oh my God, that sounds so crazy. When you, the first time you did the voice, the first episode, did you immediately know, like, I'm exactly where I should be?

This is amazing. Or did it take some time to get into? Basically got a call the same time as I got the call for the voice from Farrell. And I'm literally laying in bed, like, after giving birth five weeks. And he's like, hey, I'm going to be at the... Coachella, you want to come down and like sing Hollaback with me? I was like, well, maybe I can do it. Like, maybe I can go down there and I pack the baby up. And this is, you got to remember, Farrell had kind of died out and I feel like nobody was believing in him.

And he comes back and he has like three huge hits. He has happy. He has the daft punk song. I can't think of the name of it right now. And then he had like one other, they were three gigantic hits out of nowhere. He was just, he was just like, I'm not. done yet. So I went down there and I remember it was like a sandstorm. I had the baby on the bus and he was tiny, you know, five weeks and did the holoback girl. And that was the start of it. And then that same season, they were like, guess who the other coach is going to be? It's going to be Farrell. And so for me, like I had never done it. But again, like in my own naive way, I just was like, I didn't think about it hard. I just kind of like, I was busy nursing and

trying to do two toddlers. And it was, you know, well, I guess the babies were older, but it were crazy and just went down there and just did it. I started watching like a lot of the episodes just so I could see what the game was, you know? And everybody there was just like incredibly friendly. It was like a family. Everybody was so, they automatically thought I was like going to do this thing and I just believed that I could do it. And it was so amazing and so much fun. And it was a perfect inspiration for me because there's so much music that you see and so much hope and so much fresh dreams and then you can look back on your own career and go oh my gosh like i did that i did that and that's like super like fuel for your own fire and then me and feral and like he's knocking on my door and he's

like i got this track and you know we wrote this song called spark the fire together and it was just like a really like come back new life rise from the ashes moment and remind me on the show it's Was Blake there right away or did he come later? Yeah, Blake and Adam were original. They were the originals. Yeah, and Christina and Seelow. And then when, like I took over for Christina just for that season. But Blake, like I said, nursing, like I didn't really just know people too good.

And we're all in reality the entire time. So it's like you leave your trailer, you're miced. And you don't really, like, you'll have like, you know, a meeting with like the producers. They'll be like, okay, we're going to do this scene or whatever. but you're just pretty much, there's no time to really hang out with people. So I didn't really get to know Blake that season. I do remember discovering him because I didn't know who he was before. I didn't even know he existed in the planet.

I didn't know country. That's the way to get the guy. Guys, that's the way to get the guy. I don't even know if Lauren knows I exist still. I'm right over here. Well, I literally like, yeah, you know, didn't see him in any way, but like he's a superstar because on that show he's incredibly funny. He's witty.

Like everything comes to you naturally. That's so funny. Do you do manifestation or something? Like I pray a lot. I pray a lot. I've always been very like I was brought up Catholic, but from a very young age it was like pretty a good experience. Like just through my life, it's always been where I go to lean on.

And when you know the backstory of my life and who I was nobody, like an absolutely a zero person to be able to like all of a sudden write a song out of nowhere, like it's a miracle. Tell us about your makeup line. How did this transpire? I mean, obviously you've always had a love for makeup. I have always had a love for makeup. I don't know why. Just always obsessed with it my whole life.

I told you I was a makeup artist. But then after Lamb and Harris, you had those two brands. And at that point, I was really at a cruise. crossroads, like, I want to do something creative. I have no idea. I didn't know, like, anything that was going to happen next, I just knew that if I didn't do something creative, that, like, how would I be me anymore? Like, I just felt really worried about that. So I really, like, thought about all of the different kind of categories I've been in. And for me, like, I really wanted to do something that I thought was my true passion. And for me, all of those things

were great, but I did them. So I was like, I'm a lot. I'm, like, I'm a lot of, to do makeup line. Like, I feel like I am the, like, most authentic. Like, I've gotten in so much trouble for my makeup through the years. Like, you know, what's under that mask? Like, what is she wearing? You know, like, all the things that I got. Like, and also just, like, I look at the influence of the makeup, like, even from, like, now you can start to see it, even though the makeup was pretty bad at certain points. Because I, you know, you grow, you learn. But I just want to do makeup line. And at the end of the day, that was, what, like six years ago? So that was a long time, maybe even now getting closer to seven years ago when I started the process and here we are

and here it is. And it's like, it's been really amazing, but also super hard, as you know, like hard, hard, it's just so many amazing products out there. There are so many amazing lines that are out there. But I always felt like it's like with makeup, you could never have enough makeup. Like there's never going to be enough. Like you got to, as soon as you fall in love with one thing, you're going to be like, oh my god now I'm in love with this. Well, if I'm buying a red lipstick, I'm buying it from your line. I'm buying a red lipstick from Gwen Stefani. Like there's no doubt.

If someone has to start with one product with our audience, what would you tell them to gravitate towards? I would probably, I'm never going to put something out that I don't absolutely love because at the end of the day, selfishly, I'm going to be making it for myself. But like I think our mascara is the one thing I would start with because it's kind of like a guaranteed like you're going to for sure. love it and I you know what I mean you just know that you're going to love it okay so you would start with the mascara I am going to have you apply the red lipstick to me on TikTok so you guys will

have to go watch that I don't know how to apply lipstick so you'll have to really no no I don't know how to like I mean I can put it on but like I don't know the thing that the thing about makeup I feel like is like putting makeup on yourself is one thing like to me that's like all day long easy like I've always done my own makeup for every single show I've ever done. Like I've, I still do my, I did my last campaign myself. Like, I do, I did not do my makeup today. I paid extra for you guys. You do your own makeup for all your shows. So many things. Like a lot of things. And I love doing my own makeup. But in the last probably like six years, I was really scared of makeup artist. I had like a really bad experience early on. Like just doing a bad job or like, just like on, like,

go back and look at the first no doubt record before Tragedy Kingdom. No offense to whoever did my makeup. But, like, I was so naive. I didn't know. And they were like, you're going to have a makeup artist. And I was like, okay, like, meanwhile, like, I had been a makeup artist. You know what I'm saying? And I know how, like, I feel like my face is, like, somewhere between, like, drag.

And you know what I mean? Like, I like, I like to wear a lot of makeup. You know what I'm saying? Well, no one knows your face better than you. Yeah. And so I like, I know exactly what makes it look. look the way it looks. And this person had done my makeup very washy. And a lot of makeup artists, especially during that time period, were very, like, modely, like, dewy and, like, just very

less is more. And so I saw it and I was like, I don't think I look good, but maybe when the lights come on or maybe when the camera goes on, like, it will look better. Like, I didn't know, because I'd never done a photo shoot like that, you know? And so, nope, I look just like I looked, how I looked in the mirror and I was like, ugh. So I just, I just at that point was like, I'm always doing my own makeup. I don't care. And so I did. And then I would, I would use like people on like, you know, if I did a magazine cover or whatever. And it was always so traumatic. Like, I mean, traumatic for me. So then you're just like, I'm just going to take matters in my own hands. Yes. And so I would always do. But then I feel like in the last 15 years, like I did the collab with Urban Decay and

did a palette. And that's when things started really. I used that. I use that. It's so, that was really, and I think the challenge of doing that palette was what really made me want to do. That was a good palette. Yeah. And Wendy is like, was so fun to work with because she was everything was like, I'm so used to like, no, we can't do that. We can't do that. She's like, yes.

No, if I was like, but do you think people, I don't care what people think you do what you want. Like she was so like that with me and I was like, this is so fun. Like, and I think that color is hard. Like it was challenging for me to like figure out what would be good for me and everybody. Like, and then me and Blake would like watch everybody on. because that's when online started like getting crazy and you could get on there and like see everyone take what I created and create their own creation outside of like it's different than like just buying a pair of pants like it was like wow I didn't never would have thought to wear it like

that like and everybody was making their own creation out of the makeup and it was like so intriguing and and exciting and I think that like that world is so creative and it felt so you know I don't know if you guys think it still's like this but it feels like everybody each other up. Everybody's promoting each other. Everyone's taking what you did and copying it, but making it their own, you know, and it's, it just felt really fresh and exciting. The idea of that, you know, and yeah, I just think that that, that part of the community is just really, it's really, it's really, it's really cool, you know. Well, I'm excited to try the mascara. I'm really excited to try the red lip. It looks amazing. I almost were, I did actually wear a red lip today.

I thought you were going to come in for a red lip. No, because I would have, I would have. They said they wanted me to wear, and it was my first red lip of the year, because I wore it for New Year's. And then I was like, I don't know. With this hair, I felt like it was like a little much. I was like, guys, I'm taking the red lip. Is what you're wearing right now? This is tomboy. This is a liquid lip.

It might be this. I can't. Oh, that's flannel. But yeah, it's a liquid lip. And then I just put on some gloss on top of it. But it's so fun doing the makeup. Like the dream when you're creating and like you get to work with the, you know, the factories. and the people that are behind the scenes.

It's just, I'm sure it's the same when you create your guys' dreams come true and you get them in a box and you can share them. It's like, it's the craziest feeling ever. And I think with the makeup, it is super challenging because it's like you'll have a product, you'll have an idea and it's so far out before it comes out. And then like two weeks before you launch, you're like, oh my God, Patrick Star, you cop. No, you know, like it's so competitive. And you'll be like, oh, I can't believe they're putting that out right now.

And it's so frustrating. You got beef with Patrick? No, I love him. Patrick's been on the show. You know, I got to be on his show and he did my makeup. Oh, that's cool. Yeah, he's got makeup. He's amazing.

He's amazing. He's amazing concealer. It's just a super challenge. That's going to be the headline now. It's going to say Gwen Stefani, Patrick, Star, huge. That's going to be the only thing they pull from the whole thing. Perfect. Yeah, right.

I love you, Patrick. You know, we had so much fun. And his show was like, God, like, how do you get that good at, like, social media? Like, what? You guys are good, too. You guys are really good. Thank you. Thanks for letting me talk my ass off about myself all day long.

I love that. I'm going to tell you about my life now. Okay, I'm ready. I know. We need an autobiography. We need a book. You got to write a book. You know what?

You are very easy to talk to. You're awesome. This was fun. Very. Humble down to earth. Very inspiring. I'm inspired by your story. It's so cool to hear the whole trajectory of it.

Where can everyone find you? I'm sure they already follow you. But your makeup line, where can they shop it? Tell us all the things. I don't know. Gwen Stefani. online. I don't know. No, we're at Sephora. Been amazing partners.

It's been, you know, it's interesting because through my career, you have partners and people come and go, but it's, I feel like they get me and they've always been like super, like, supportive and it's been really cool to work with them. So we're at Sephora, which is very fun.

We're online, obviously at giv.com. And givebeautcom, guys. Love it. Thank you so much for coming on. Thank you. My gosh. Thank you. You are a legend. Gwen so kindly gave you guys 30% off. You can go to givebeautcom and shop sitewide 30% off with code skinny. I personally would recommend getting that pigmented red lipstick.

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