The Bossticks - Heather McDonald Has The Juicy Scoop

Episode Date: August 4, 2020

#285: On this episode we are joined again by Heather McDonald. Heather is an American actress, comedian and author. She is also a fellow podcaster and host of the wildly popular Juicy Scoop podcast. This is Heather's second appearance on the show and on today's episode we are getting all the juice on the current state of the world, entertainment, reality tv, influencers, podcasters, and much more.  To connect with Heather McDonald click HERE To connect with Lauryn Evarts click HERE To connect with Michael Bosstick click HERE Read More on The Skinny Confidential HERE For Detailed Show Notes visit TSCPODCAST.COM To Call the Him & Her Hotline call: 1-833-SKINNYS (754-6697) This episode is brought to you by THRIVE MARKET. We use Thrive for our online grocery delivery on a weekly basis and we also now get our wine at Thrive! They provide the highest quality products and ingredients delivered straight to our door with unbeatable prices.  Be sure to grab our deal by going to to https://thrivemarket.com/skinny to select your preferred memberships package and start saving today! This episode is brought to you by BETABRAND and their Betabrand dress pant yoga pants. To try these pants go to betabrand.com/skinny and receive 20% off your order. Millions of women agree these are the most comfortable pants you'll ever wear to work.  This episode is brought to you by Talkspace. We all have something we want to change or improve about ourselves. Talkspace is the most convenient and affordable online therapy that can help make a lasting change in your life with access to thousands of licensed therapists. To get $100 off your first month on Talkspace visit Talkspace.com and use code SKINNY to get $100 off your first month now! Produced by Dear Media

The following podcast is a dear media production. She's a lifestyle blogger extraordinaire. Fantastic. And he's a serial entrepreneur. A very smart cookie. And now Lauren Everts and Michael Bostic are bringing you along for the ride. Get ready for some major realness. Welcome to the skinny confidential, him and her.

You know, whatever you like to do and you're creative and, you know, just put it out there. So, you know, if it's something funny or comedy or whatever, write it down, make a video, or like, even if you think something's funny, just post it on Facebook. See the response you get. You know, if you get 100 friends that are like, that was funny, then just like kind of mark it and start to build it and like, you know, do your thing. Hey, hey, hey, welcome back to the skinny confidential him and her show. That clip was from our guest of the show today, Heather McDonald, of the podcast, Juicy Scoop. She's an entrepreneur, a comedian, a boss, and a major podcaster.

And she's got the scoop, the juicy scoop. She's got the scoop. And you love the scoop because admit you like housewives. No, I like, I like dishing the juice with Heather. We have fun. You do like juice. Sometimes I come home from work and you're like, what's the juice? Well, I like it if you're dishing the juice, as you know, with the right people,

like, you know, get juicy. And admit, what's your favorite housewives? Just admit it. No, I like New York the best because I just think they have the wildest times. Who is your favorite housewife out of all of them? I don't know who I actually like, listen, it's hard for me to say. I don't know who my favorite one is. Sonia Morgan is good because she totally lets loose and she's very vulnerable.

I appreciate that. Sonia's good. I like the countess. On last episode, she said she has a fat, chubby pussy and she doesn't understand. Who said that? You're missing out. She said she has a fat chubby pussy and she's mad because Ramona's pussy isn't fat. Why did I just, I got way too excited to hear that news.

I don't know. Let's move it along. Let's move it along. Taylor, don't pop a button. I must have missed that, uh, that one. You miss that one. you miss that one um so in other news sonia's got a juicy pussy heather has the juicy scoop she is on our podcast today we went on hers make sure you listen to her episode after you listen to this one we are

talking everything on this episode we get into celebrity drama we get into the scoop we get into housewives we go there um i really really love heather i fell in love with her by reading her books if you have not read her books i highly recommend them they are laugh out loud funny with that Let's welcome back Heather McDonald to the skinny confidential, him and her show. This is the skinny confidential him and her. Drew Barrymore has a talk show coming out. And she put out a video on her Instagram yesterday. And she's like, thank God it's Mondays.

That's right. Everybody wants it to be Friday. But I'm like, Monday is the day that you really get some stuff done. So I'm here to rebrand Mondays. And you guys, I'm so. excited. I'm going to have a talk show. This has been in the works for over a year. And my talk show is going to go digitally first, and then we're going to launch it on September 4th. These are some of the amazing things we're going to talk about. We're going to explore some of my

favorite cookbooks. I'm not kidding. Cookbooks. And really see what gets you wanting to cook. We're going to be talking about parenting. What this new world that we live in is. It's like, I'm like, oh, could anything be more fucking boring than exploring cookbooks? And then she's like, and then I'm going to interview some people who are interviewers that I'm inspired by. I'm like, why don't you interview me, bitch? I'm doing this for five years. Like, why does everyone just think like, oh, let's just get like a, you know, an actor that's

like no longer into doing movie that I thought I would do a talk show because I have two little children at home. It was like when Busy Phillips did her talk show. I was like, I read an article about it. And she's like, hey guys. So I was getting high in Palm Springs, and I was like, what should I do next? It's time to pivot. And I decided, let's have a talk show.

Let me just do something really crazy and sit Indian style on a couch and talk to some of my A-list celebrity friends. I've struggled. I've been a working actress since I was 19. So, of course, you know, but what's kind of freeing is what I was telling Michael is like, I talk about this shit because I'm like, who the fuck cares? Busy Phillips didn't have me on her show. Drew Barrymore's never going to have me on her show. It's kind of fucking freeing to be so successful with my podcast that I can kind of be like,

those days are fucking over. It doesn't matter. The internet is that it like got rid of all the gatekeepers in the media industry. Like, you know, it used to be, you know, on Hollywood in the 1920s, third, 40, honestly for a while, like there was gatekeepers, you know, if this director didn't like you, if this producer, if this agent. into this person. It doesn't matter. It's all a dying breed because anybody can get on a mic, they can get on YouTube. They can go here. And if you're good enough and people like you,

like the people get to choose, it's no longer like these, these veiled shadowy figures that make the decisions of who gets seen and who doesn't. It's the best thing ever. And then Busy Phillips, I was like, the minute her show got canceled, I'm like, okay, let's, when's the podcast coming? When's the podcast coming? So of course she announced, I have a podcast. And she's like, I'm so excited. It's going to be a podcast. This is what she was writing. I've got my writer from my talk show to other people. I'm like, there was no content to your show. Now you're going to do it. And we're going to talk about pivoting and quarantine life. Who the fuck wants to talk about quarantine? Like, I was just like, good luck. Good luck to you. I'm sure they got a big chunk of

cash. She's going to do it from her home, I'm sure. What do you think the missing ingredient is when people just say they're going to launch a talk show or a podcast? And they're already famous and they already have a following, like, what's the thing that's missing? I mean, like, why is it not successful? I think Kelly Clarkson, pre-COVID, you know, she's still doing it. I think hers was really successful because she brought something new. First of all, she's like a total delight. She's super relatable.

And then she'd like come out fucking singing a killer song. Like that's more impressive than Ellen dancing. You know, like, she really can sing. And so I think that worked, you know, but I've been like, why does, why does daytime have to be so dumb down? Like, why does it always just have, like, why can't it be super funny or why can't it be super juicy? Why does it always just have to be like a little something? Like, so I don't know.

But I don't know that daytime will ever come back in the sense because it's like. Daytime is podcast though. Right, exactly. Like the breastfeeding mom is like listening to my podcast. She's not necessarily like, oh, it's three o'clock. Right. So let me watch this. So I think that the daytimeness has changed.

But like, let's compare Oprah. Yes. Because Oprah's like the best. Okay. Let's compare Oprah to like these other people. people that you're talking about. Like, what did Oprah have? Do you think that, like, what's the talent with Oprah that people are missing? I'll tell you that people don't realize about Oprah.

Oprah was the first person to introduce us to meth moms, courting people. Topics we had never explored. Her staff was so amazing in, like, finding the juiciest human stories. Then she also, you know, would get excited for John Travolta or whatever in a movie. And then she also kind of had like, this was my favorite things twice a year. And then she herself, not only was she super intelligent and inclusive of all her audience, she was extremely open about her own life. She was like the first celebrity that said, I was molested.

These are things that happened to me. You know, when she struggled with her weight, when she lost all the weight and she brought the wagon out with the fat, then she gained it back. Then she was sued. She humanized herself. She was like the first person. that talked about like being grateful. That was the first time I ever heard about keeping a grateful journal or being grateful.

And I remember like where I was and it changed my life. Where were you? It was in my apartment in Santa Monica. And she was like, even if you go to bed and the only thing you can be grateful for is that your iced tea was particularly tasty. Thank God for that. And I just remember like, you're right. Like even if it's the shittiest fucking day.

like it's really making the lemonade at a lemons. And I just like I miss her so much. I feel like nobody has ever touched that world again. And I don't blame her for not wanting to come back. You've got to leave before the party's over. Yeah. But I mean, it would be, I guess she's done like special interviews and stuff. But like that, I would like to see her like just to be, just to give it to the world,

like come back and do some special interviews and stuff. But I kind of like that like she and Gail are still friends and Gail's finally got her day. Like she tried to give Gail like eight shows and it never worked. Really? Maybe not eight, maybe one. But she did have like a short-lived Gail talk show and it just didn't. They're very hard. They're very hard.

Do you want to know why I think Oprah was so successful? In that generation, it was so cut throat. And there could only be one woman at the top and one woman as the star and one man is the star. And instead of Oprah taking that stance that everyone was taking, she brought everyone up with her. So she brought up Dr. Phil. She brought up Dr. Oz. She brought up all these different people onto her show. And instead of squashing everyone, so she's on top, she gave everyone else platform.

You know what was a juicy story? Remember that Ilanya? No. Elanya fixed my life or something. I always mess up everyone's name. No. Was it on Oprah? She came on Oprah and she was kind of this amazing woman that was like, fix my life.

And she was like very spiritual, very profound, like, do this, do this. So Oprah gave her a show. or which she was about to have a show or something. Something juicy happened. Like she fucked over Oprah. Like kind of like a Joan Rivers, Johnny Carson kind of thing. Like somebody else came to her and the agents got involved and like, why would you take this Oprah deal? Someone's going to know the story better than me.

But somehow she screwed her over and then she like lost everything. But then when Oprah started the own network, she came back. They made up. And then she had her show on the own network for a little bit. Get her on Juicy Scoop. I'm sure she has a podcast. Ilanya Fix Your Life. I mean, look it up.

It's something like that name. But she would go to people's houses and like whatever their issue was. Oprah brought her up. Oprah was all about bringing up other people. We talked to Jillian Michaels. And I think we talked about this on your show the first time I was on there about how Jillian Michael said when she was starting out, everyone was always trying to tear her down. Like it was so hard.

Or they wouldn't collaborate or feature. They would. Now, like, with podcasting, you know, the way you grow in the space is you collaborate. Yeah. So it's changed. I remember thinking like what I'd hear like rappers constantly collaborating. And I was like, gosh, that's so great that they're not like jealous of each other. But, you know, a more established rapper would see a younger rapper and be like, let's do a song together. I was always like, that's so amazing. I think with women, it's just happening now. I don't think it happened before. And I think sometimes. Sometimes when I see, you know, the hate that I get sometimes and a lot of hate I don't get anymore

because I blocked all those people and they can't get to me. But I recently got new hate because I was on another show and then I joined that Facebook group and so that I could read all the hate that they said about me. Why do you do that? It didn't bother me as much. It kind of like, I don't know, it kind of empowered me and I don't know. I just wanted to see it. I couldn't stop reading it.

It's interesting because I bet the majority of women that hate me are my age. They're my age and they see me and they're like, how was she successful? She just watches Bravo and talks about it. Like, that could have been me. So therefore I hate her. Not every woman, obviously that's my age. But like if I was to put all my haters in a room like we found them, I think that would be the profile. You know how like FBI does like a serial killer profile?

Like, if they did a serial profile hater of me, I would love to know like what were the similarities. Well, I think not to stay on this too long, but you know, maybe they came up in an era where there were those gatekeepers where there actually was only allowed

to be like three or four people at the top, you know? Right. And what the internet's done is this democratized everything. And you know, like, you could listen to Juicy Scoop and the show and the bitch by way and whatever. Yeah. And it doesn't really take anything away from anyone else. Right. True.

Before there was like one movie role or one talk show. or one concert. But now, I mean, like, it happened in the music industry early. When places like Spotify and Napster, all these things came out, it democratized music is like, okay, I can listen to everything. But before, it was all dependent on who the record label decided to pick up and sign. That's why you had, like, those megastars. But now the difficult thing is now it's harder to break out because there's so much competition.

But the good thing is, is there's not somebody at the top that's, like, making the decision if you make it or not, like, the people get to decide. I think you're going to see the demise of mainstream media more and more. Like I think, you know, we're starting, it might take a few, it might take 10, 20 years, but it's starting to happen where people are starting to go to, like, podcasts and authors and different speakers for their news. And what's happening is you're like, why am I going to go listen? Like, let's talk politics for two seconds. I don't get political. Like, why are you going to go to Fox News or CNN or NBC and watch two people argue for 10 minutes about a very complex issue? Like, they just fight and fight, fight for times. Or you can go to two educated people, maybe even they sit on different sides and listen to a podcast for three hours and then be like, oh, okay, actually learn. Like, I and for free and you don't have to deal with all the cable and the commercials and all the shit. I just think that whole model's dying. Yeah. And like it'll be interesting to see what happens in the next few years.

Right. Or how what it looks like or, you know, will they, will people start at be attaining like YouTube content and putting it on like a network and just paying you for it because it's done? And I don't know. You know, I hope so. But it's, it is like happy and freeing too to just be like. It's celebrating. Because for so long, it was the decision of someone else, whether I were. I don't know how you did it.

I've followed your career for a long time after following you for a while, that the knows have made you 20 times more powerful. Like, I really do think that. I think that every no has made you, like, very strong for how you are today. Only been in the last couple years where I just realized, like, okay, I guess I'm not going to be on that talk show. I guess I'm not going to be doing that. And once you just stop carrying, it's just like, oh, my God, this is fucking. amazing. I'll say whatever I want. Talk about anybody I want. But look what's happening to the ratings

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Yes. Like really serious, important things. I need to know what you think is going to happen with Vanderpump Rules. Well, I mean, I think a lot of these shows, I'll think a lot of businesses, you know, that we're on the edge are in jeopardy of not coming back post-COVID. They're in a weird, precarious position. We know that Lisa Vanderpump is having a new show on the Peacock Streaming Service about the dogs. Did you know that? No.

I didn't know it till last night, but the article came out last week. Talk about, like, not getting a big splash. I'm a little surprised. I don't even know what the peacock streaming network is. So it's like an NBC streaming. So I think there's like old shows on there and then there's going to be new programming all under the NBC Comcast thing. I bet you she's doing that to help the dogs and help the rescue mission that she does. No, it's going to be like a reality show about the drama.

Did you groom the poodle right? Oh, it's drama. It's banner pump dogs. Okay. I mean, I'm assuming. Okay. I honestly, I don't know what that will look like. So what is Van der Pump rules going to look like?

So Vanner Pump rules, I don't know. And I also think the longer time goes, the momentum is lost. I still think it's there. Or is it going to get people more curious because the mystery. I hope it stays. I like them all. I like watching things that are shot in L.A. I think it's fun.

I think Jackson and Brittany, I think Jackson is really funny. I like, you know, I still think even though Stasi and Kristen are fired. I don't know that that, why would, why does that have to stick when things die down? So I'd like to see it come back. And I'd like to see it come back and really just follow their lives. Like, you know, if they are pursuing getting pregnant or they're pursuing a business. It's like, let's just see that. Like, why do we have to pretend that you still have to have a shift?

It got a little weird, though, with that show when they were like still like, people are still working in the restaurant. It's like, the people have grown the restaurant. It's over. Like they're not, they're not busting the tables anywhere. They're not there. It's like, we might as well evolve it and just move. on from that. Like you guys know I bought a $2.1 million house. So I want to help with a mortgage. So I'm going to be picking up a couple hosting shifts. But again, you can't blame anybody.

They had to try to make this show work with all these people living in different places and still being around the restaurant. And I kind of was like sick of the restaurant. Like I was kind of like, I like Lisa Vanderpump. But I'm like, I don't need to see her show up with the dog for two minutes. You don't want to see a goat cheese ball. No, I'm fine seeing the restaurant, but I'm saying I don't need like, I think it was like, you know, I don't know. I feel like that schick got a little old too. So, well, it'll be interesting to see what they're going to do. You know, I know Villablanca's gone that restaurant, but that also makes sense because it was

the least popular and she doesn't own the building. So why wouldn't you let your restaurant lease go? Villa Blanca's gone. I didn't know that. Yeah, no, it is. But that's a COVID, you know, fatality. Like, I don't think it would, I don't think it would have gone away had this not happen. But the other three restaurants are all near each other.

It's easy to film. I think it would be, you know. What's your favorite restaurant at all three? I like the food and the drinks that pump the best. I've never been. Really? I think that the food, I really liked the food a lot. Like they had this like salmon date salad there.

I like, I really like the cocktails. I like the vibe. I've had some fun there. So I hope it comes back. But who knows? And like what's going to go on with keeping up with the Kardashians? How is that? going to happen. That's the one show that could keep happening. They never left their houses to begin

with. What Jerry Seinfeld did the best was like he left when he was on top and he quit and he wanted people like begging and wanting for more into this day. He's like Oprah. Yeah, the only thing they really did as reunion was like that Kirby enthusiasm season and it's kind of creative the way they did it. Like I feel like sometimes they drag these things on. It's like, okay, enough enough. It'll never be enough housewives for me. Yeah, but they know, but they changed that up all the time. But I think a scripted show does come to a limit because they're creating stories. and they're writing them. So it's like, we've already done Christmas, we've already done this. And it comes to a place where you're like, we've done it and people want to leave. And a lot of contracts are for like seven years. So then if they were to go to the eight year, it would either get a lot more expensive or, you know, like there's a lot of that reason why shows. And with reality, you know, it's really great for the network and the production company because as long as they want to keep going, they can just keep finding new people that want to be a star. Is keeping up with the Kardashians going to have eight? 800 more seasons? Like, what do you see? I feel like you're like a fortune teller when it comes to reality.

I don't think it'll, why would it ever end? Unless we're going to see them in their retirement home? I mean, it's truly like those kids are Truman. Like those kids have grown up with the cameras around them. So I think it would, I mean, it's kind of happening with Courtney or Courtney was like, I don't want to do this anymore. Which I fully get. I understand. Totally. It's like enough. I mean, like you've already made it. You got all the things you need to get out of it. Everybody's seen everything. You got the money. You got the kids. You got the, like, what else you need to do? Yeah.

I just like, I don't even know. I do glam. Like, and I got it because then it's also like, well, this is a family business. Like, if we all worked at the hardware store, it wouldn't be fair that one person doesn't get to, you know, do their Saturday shift. So like, I got how they're like annoyed. But at the same time, like, she's the one with the oldest kids. And, you know, she's over it.

And I think like, I think eventually like maybe the little kids will start to get over it or something else will happen. But why wouldn't you? you just keep it going. They put everything about their lives on camera. It's been so long now. Like for Kylie, she's literally been on TV longer than she wasn't. But they're in a different situation though, because they control what gets aired and what does not get aired. Right. Because, like, Bravo, you don't have that control. Right. Chris is the, yeah, Chris is not letting things go that she doesn't want to go. Can we talk about how you were in season one? You know that, right,

Michael? I was at the party for Chris and Caitlin's 17-year wedding party or 16-year wedding. party anniversary party in their backyard of the first house. It was the pilot episode, I think. And they had a stripper pole in Chris's room and Kylie was on it. And Kim had this awful like bubble dressed. Do you remember when bubble dresses were very unflattering? He wasn't showing her ass at all. It was a horrible choice. And so that was just fun, you know, and it was funny because that show and Chelsea lately began the same summer. So before keeping up with the Kardashians, were you like going to health nut getting salads with Chris while you guys went to Dash. We would go to the baby store, Smooch.

Oh, yes, Smooch. Because I had the babies. So I bought stuff at Smooch. I met and then we would go to Tuscanova. No, it was called something else. We'd have lunch in Calbasis, bring the baby sometimes. And like the first time I ever had lunch with them, I was immediately like, tell me about fucking OJ.

Like I couldn't believe that they just like told me like their whole perspective of like Courtney was like, well, Kim and I took my dad's side because like nobody was on my dad's side and we felt sorry for him. So it was just like, it was, so I was like always like they were really just like really nice and awesome. And then the show started and, you know, and it was, and the first couple years, it was, first few years, I think it was like, wow, they're super famous and everything, but it still felt like it was still them and it was still, you know, the same people at the parties. and it was still Chris's parties. And then when they got older, the girls all have their own family and their own friends

and their own baby mommy friends and all that stuff. And then Chelsea ended and I stopped seeing them professionally. And then I got the boot. I feel like they have to be very, very careful, though, with like, I don't think it's like you personally. I think they have to be so careful with anyone that comes into their ether. No, it wasn't even like, it just was like less times of getting together. And then the big parties they made that big blood bath. cut. My family and I was one of those. But I knew every year we were invited to Christmas

party, I would tell my family, this could be the last. Like, I cannot believe we're still invited to this. I'm six people deep. Like, I would have cut myself. Like, are kidding me? And so then finally it happened. And I, and I totally bought it. Did you get to go in the mirror mirror. The mirror. The mirror. The mirror. The mirror. The mirror. The mirror. It's the photo booth. Oh, the photo booths. Yes, but, but I didn't go to the Kim party. Okay. So the, the, the last part I went to was at her Chris's house. So it's been a couple years now. It's where the checkered floors.

Cool. The checkered floors, yes. Okay. And, you know, it's really sad the first year of not going. And then because it was literally we had gone for 10 years. We had like a routine of going. And then I was like, oh, my God. Like, this isn't Chris's fault.

Like, make your own fucking plans loser. You know, like, God. You know, this girl's like, this woman's like thrown like a half. a half a million-dollar party for my family, like where each kid gets gifts and I'm boozing it up. Like, it was a fabulous, fabulous party. So was I like but hurt? Yes. The only thing that pissed me off is that Kathy Griffin was there.

Like you felt she shouldn't have gone and you like she should have got the boot with you. No, she got invited like after I got the guy. We were never at the same party together. Okay. And because somehow she became in the circle with a different group of women through Chris. And then I don't know if she invited herself. got and buy whatever. But she also doesn't have a husband, three kids and a mother-in-law who fell the last time we were there. I was like, oh, great lady. Like, nobody wants an elderly person following. You think Kim and

Kanye want that? Not on the, not black and white floors. No. That's not on brand. Last year I went on a trip. I said, I want to get the fuck out of here. You had to go on a trip. You just, we had to go on a trip. You couldn't see the mirror mirror photos. Now I'm over it. I'm officially over it. And then also freeing is I had to write about them and talk about them on Chelsea lately for, you know, eight, seven years, then post my show. It's a kind of freeing just to be able to like say what I think is going to happen with Kim and Kanye and I don't mean to be mean to them. Like I think Kim's great, but like I think this could be your out. You don't have to manage like a personal. Yeah, like I don't have to worry about it. And that probably helped kick me out as I started to talk a

little more. But to also know that like there's nothing to lose. And I do like to give my opinion and I'm watching like everybody else. So I'm not, I'm not, you know, breaking any girl code in that like she gave me secret scoop at a restaurant because we haven't talked in a couple years in that way. So I like being able to like observe it and talk about it like I do all pop culture. Quick break because I need to ask, have you tried beta brands dress pant yoga pants? I've been talking about these pants on the podcast for the last two and a half years. And I feel like now is such a good time to wear them. They're comfortable, but they're also chic.

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But just give us a little. Well, first of all, one of the predictions I had, which I don't think will come true, is one thing I did say is that I knew she'd go for the fourth kid. okay because I thought she wants to have more children than anybody else in the family okay but her mother gave birth to six and she has embryos left so I first thought like a year ago she'll have seven she'll go for seven why the fuck not she doesn't have to carry them they're geniuses they're all cute you know but now in light of what's going on with conya I think she is done with having children any more children and

I feel like... What if she has another... What if she marries someone else, though? And she pulls what Chris did. That's what Chris did. She had four. No, because she said if they're embryos, they're... They're embryos with Kanye. She may have saved her eggs, too. I think she wanted to have children with all the same person.

And I think same with Courtney. I think she's good with four. I don't think like... I think if she was to break up with Kanye, I think she'd probably be alone for her while and like focus on the kid. Like, I don't think she's looking to like find a boyfriend. I think she's so focused on... like actually like having a purpose with a prison reform, which is great, the four kids.

So I think if something was to happen, if Kanye doesn't get better and she does say, we got to live separately, whatever, I think like eventually she'll find a new love that'll be like Jackie O status. Like she will go international billionaire, hot, something exciting. That's your pet. I don't know. I don't know. He may not exist yet.

He might be like a new. Elon Musk, but like hot, I don't know, something exciting like that. Like something that's shocking. So like not musical, not sports. You're thinking they're done, though. Your predictions, they're done. I hope they're not done, but I think that she wants to be done. This is her out with the public because I think anybody will not give her criticism for saying, I want to separate.

And this way, if she separates and with their money and their status, if they're he's to see the kids, which I'm sure she'll still want him to, they'll never be alone with him. For a mom, do you imagine if he was, imagine if he was acting like Kanye and you don't have the means in place. And every other weekend, you have to give your kid to someone like that. Yeah, you have to evaluate that. There are women that then wake up the next day and the guys killed them himself and the kid. And they had to do it. They had a court order. They had to give the child. So it's like, I think people are, now I'm not saying Kanye's going to do that. But when someone's mentally ill,

and they think they're Jesus, like, I don't know. So I think it's very stressful. But at least in this case, with what the money and everything they have, I think those kids will never be having to spend a week alone with them. You talk a lot about on your podcast like divorce. I hear you talk about your girlfriends that are getting divorced. And you kind of talk about how it's not always greener on the other side. Can you? Yeah, tell her that. Talk about that. I want to hear about that. I think Carol Radswell said it best about Ramona Singer. I think the first couple years are real fun. And then I think it sets in.

Maybe the first couple of years of separation, whatever. You're feeling yourself. You lost the weight. You got the divorce weight going. You haven't flirted in a long time. You've got four people calling. You've gotten their apps. You're like feeling.

And then you like somebody. And then that person is dating for their people. And you're like, well, I don't feel so hot. And then you go, you find another person. And then that happens again. And then you start to go, fuck. What about the guy? It wasn't that bad with the husband when he just annoyed me.

Like when he coughs in the morning too long. Yeah. Like when he waits for you to go get your coffee to clear his throat. You're like, you're up for 25 minutes. You couldn't have cleared your throat before I walked in. I sneezed the other day. I don't know what's happened to me since I became a dad. Oh, Jesus.

So loud. Listen. Did I scare the baby? Yes. The baby started like bawling on. I was like, holy shit. I got an old man. dad sneezed now. It came out of nowhere. Peter's sneezes are like deafening. Like I've,

I've like paid a little and screamed. It had, I sneezed so hard that I had tears coming out of my eyes. How much attention do you need? It's like, Jesus Christ, your coughs and sneezes. And when you have a frog in your throat, I literally want to commit myself. I can't deal with it. The face this baby made when I sneezed, devastated me. She was so terrified. I'm so happy I have someone else to be like, what are you doing? It is so annoying. I don't know what happened. I've never sneezed like this Why people get divorced after you clear your throat in the morning? Yeah, but what happens? You become a dad and your sneeze just becomes like a disgusting.

Just be quiet. Just be quiet. I don't want to hear your things. Like go in the other room. Shut the door. No, we can't. Put on a podcast. I really don't want to hear it.

It's annoying. I don't know what happens to us. We just like, just start making just terrible noises. You just give up. You just let your balls. Like, it's like put some like effort into it. He's pretty cute. He's pretty cute.

But the sounds that come out of him in the morning. That's the other thing. Okay. So when you get to a certain age too and you find someone, like if I was to go, you know, get divorced and find someone, it's like, what am I going to get another broken man? That's what his mother says. That's what his wife. Either his wife made him a weirdo, fucked him over and he went crazy or he was a weirdo and made his wife go crazy. Or he has kids that hate you. So it's now other people can find the love of their life and their community. And they're comming. admit it and it's great and it's lovely and you see it and you're fucking jealous and you're like, oh my God, you know. But I think it's really hard. And so, of course, if you're in an abusive relationship, a cheating relationship, I think you need to find your happiness. But I think

there's going to be times in a marriage that it can go on for a few months. It could even go on for like a period of like a couple years where maybe you're really doubting it and you're like, oh my God. I like, what, you know, we're not on a job. But I think. I think. think you really got to know that you really got to try your hardest. What about the guy? What does the guy do after divorce? Like you said what the girl does? His life is fabulous.

Oh, he is a fabulous life. He's fucking hookers. He's got to roll. It is it. Okay. Like I find, I mean, you know, David Bedore is expecting a baby. I think that's kind of the greatest karma for him ever. Now, I'm not saying he isn't excited about having a baby, okay?

and she even said her daughter's like like her and I think the woman, but the woman's like 36 and he's like 56 or 7. And they could have the most beautiful, perfect life and I hope they do. But I mean to be starting all over again with a pregnant wife and a couple of her kids, little kids, packed Saturdays. Like my Saturdays just became open like a year ago. How old are they so I know. We were talking about this in the elevator. Who? Why kids?

Yeah. Oh, 14 and 17. So you're like getting the time back now. Yes, but like those days of like the Little League, you know, parade at fucking 630 a.m. And like just all that shit and the food and the snacks. And then, you know, you don't have a gift and someone's, you know, just all that. The orange slices. All that like is just, it's really exhausting.

And like you just get it back and then to start all over again. Now you could be really wealthy and have nannies. And a lot of people do because they are established that age. But like, I don't know. Like for a guy, just know if you're going to go for that much younger woman, they'll often start to say, oh, I don't want any more kids. I'm good. And then what?

How did I get pregnant at 37? Like, and then. It's a lot to go through. Because I was thinking if you just 18, year, I mean, 18, 20, it really is like 20 something years that you have these kids. But then you have to start at square one again and you don't have the energy anymore and your sneezes are probably 10 times louder and you can't keep up. Peter has a few friends that are older dads second time around. and he loves it.

Loves being grateful. That's not him. Like he is like, I can't, oh my God, can you imagine? I mean, he's going to be 60. Can you imagine? Like, he's like, doesn't want it, like, would, like, if we broke up, he would, the last thing he would do is want to get, like, someone else pregnant. Like, no way. So the grass isn't always greener.

So all these people that get divorced, the grass isn't always greener. There's another issue with the other person and another person sneezing. I think the grass can be greener a lot. but I think you just have to make, like, I just think you just really, you know, if it's really done, it's done. If Lauren and I were breaking up, I would get snipped for, well, first I would bank the stuff, then I would snip because he can't take that chance. You would bank your sperm? Well, I mean, because then you could, you at least can say, like, if you needed to potentially down the line or you wanted to, you found that second love or whatever the hell happened, then you have. But like, to just be, to just go out and just chance it.

Women should encourage their men if, if the woman's done having babies. And she's like, secretly hates her husband. would like to get out in a few years, she should really have him get a vasectomy. Why? Because then he can't have babies with someone else and take half your kids' money. Yeah. Oh. If you've got two kids, then he gets divorced and has two more kids with someone else. And now your kids are going to college.

His wife is going to be like, really? It happens all the time. You're paying $30,000 for her school. She's not even that smart. What about our two kids? Oh, you're cutting them off. You're cutting them off after I'm done. I play all these scenarios in my head and I just like sounds like such a headache and nightmare.

I would never want to be there. Like I would just like, that's why I'm just like, I don't think there's grass any greener. I'm like, I'm in him for the long haul. He has a good example of parents. He's had a really, really strong example of a mom and a dad who have been together for a hundred years. Sure, but I'm sure like, like you said, it's probably not always been easy. They just been, they just work through it. Well, I mean, she has to deal with his sneezes.

His sneezes are like five octaves higher than mine. Okay. So another important subject that I have on my list is. Brandy and Denise. Yes. If you are feeling anxious, depressed, maybe you're just feeling trapped in quarantine, then I have the answer. It is Talkspace. So this is this online therapy, and it's here to give you support because it's what we all need right now. So what you do is you match with a licensed therapist from the convenience of your home, from your device, no matter where you are. You can reach out to a therapist 24-7 from a phone or computer, and you'll hear back within

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Well. I want to know what you think. The inside scoop. Few things. Okay. And we're referring to Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. Obviously, we all heard about this back in November when it happened because the news broke when the girls were on the Rome trip in November before Thanksgiving.

Okay? That's very interesting. Okay? Because when we saw the video, the scene of Denise being brought up to the room while Kyle Packed, there was a few things as a detective. One was a Christmas tree. You're good. You said this happened in November, but you're saying there's a Christmas tree, so this

happened later? So before the Rome trip, according to the show, Brandy went over to Kyle's house where Teddy and Kyle were packing for a row. Oh, I just saw that. Michael saw. I don't act like he knows. Okay. So there was a Christmas tree. Okay. Now, there are some freaks that put up a Christmas tree after Halloween. Maybe she put up the Christmas tree because she wanted it done when she came back from Italy. Someone else found a photo from Brandy's birthday, which was a week later where they said they were going out for her birthday, right? It was a week later and she was wearing the same high pony. Now, a lot of people wear high ponies. It was a specific high pony, though. That was a specific high pony, though.

It's a high pony with a fake tale. What I think happened was they did the podcast. She already released the text messages that Denise wrote to her and was like, great, I'm excited to see you tomorrow. Do you want a hotel room next to Patrick Muldoon? That room is empty. Or you can share the cottage with me and save some money. Totally nice thing.

Brandy writes back, no, my producer's paying for my hotel and my car. But sure, I'll just stay with you on the couch. And Denise writes, I'll see it. if they have a roll away. Okay? She posts that as if that's proving something. Yeah, Brandy, you said that. Yeah, that sounds like a normal girlfriend to a normal girlfriend. Now, we've all like shared a bed with our friend and I didn't go and finger bang them, you know, if something happened between the two of them, they are the only two people that know. There isn't some Bill Clinton evidence where she's going to whip out a blue dress and it's going to be Denise's come on it with her DNA. Why would Brandy make that up,

That was my question. I'm not saying she did make it up. I'm just saying there's no way that she can fully prove it. There's no way she can fully prove it. So if Denise chose at the moment that we're going to see this Wednesday, where they address it, we know that you slept with Brandy. She at that moment goes, no, I didn't. And that's the story she is stuck with for the last nine months.

And I don't know what happened. But I don't think that was a bad choice on Denise's part. because there's no way to prove that they, that they didn't get, that they didn't get together and that it wasn't innocent. There's no video. There's no text where she says, thanks for your fingers last night.

I really had a great time. Which you're saying is a mistake by Denise, not by the other one. Am I what? You're saying it's a mistake by Denise and not by, no, I'm saying, if Denise knows there's no proof, like there's no text that says,

oh my God, I loved eating you out last night. Or any, don't tell Aaron. If there's nothing like that, there's obviously she didn't knock her up. It's two women. There's no come on a sheet. She can stick with her story until she dies because there's no way to prove it.

It's just, do you think Bernie's telling the truth or not? Probably Brandy is telling the truth. And who cares? Yeah, who cares? Who cares if she did? But... Well, her husband cares. Aaron cares.

Right. And I think at that time, she was like, she chose, no, I don't want to reveal this about myself. And I'm going to stick with this. Honestly, I don't blame her. And I'm pretty, and I have a shred of secrecy, too? And the thing is, everyone's pissed in these reality shows because they're always like, Well, we have to share our life story.

You know, you saw like Lisa Rennig, go, you think I wanted to reveal about, you know, my daughter's anorexia? No, but that's part of the package. We have to reveal everything about our lives. And it's like, well, first of all, every husband but Aaron stopped filming. Nobody comes to anything. Why? Because they don't want to jeopardize themselves.

They don't want to have everyone yell at them. Meaning all the husbands stopped. All the husbands are barely on it. We see P.K. a tiny bit. Well, he got slammed for a while. Harry Hamlin makes one pie a year. Okay. The other Tom Gerardi, we see him once with the coffee cup, that's it. So all these girls now are in a position where they've protected their families and their husbands and they're not on anymore. Yet they're all attacking Denise and Aaron when Aaron is showing up because they're in love. And she's working all the time and she wants him there. And so she invites him. And all they do is give him shit. And so then I think she was like, oh my God. That's an interesting perspective. And then the thing is, it's like, I don't think that she. I don't think that she. She did not share about her life.

This was something she did while they weren't filming with a non-cast member. I don't think every single thing has to be revealed. Exactly. I don't think... And also, as the party... Just because you put yourself out there doesn't mean every single facet of your life needs to be revealed. Like, you don't need to be, like, showing a picture of your butthole. Like, people need, like, a little bit of a shred of privacy.

Everyone. And then also, when Brandy is sitting there crying and Kim takes her hand and she's, you know, revealing that she was molested at 47 years old by Denise Richards. I was like, wait a minute. Supposedly, the party was just the night before, right? Or two days before or something. Denise wasn't ignoring her. She was like, hey, they were talking.

Brandy slapped her ass. They're saying that scene was from after the night of the party? They were, like, it was like a night or two after. I don't believe that just because the condition she was in. There's no way you show up looking that good after being that shit-based. But she was like, and then she blew me up. I haven't talked to her forever. And then, you know, I didn't get to talk to her.

And it's like, well, if there was some weirdness, I don't think that Denise would be like, hey, on camera chatting. Brandy slaps Denise's butt. She laughs. You know, ha-ha. Maybe Brandy fell in love with Denise. Oh, come on. No. Listen, I don't know much about this.

No. She fell in love with wanting to be on the show again. Okay. Which I can't blame her. Because it is a nice paycheck. But I still don't get one thing. I don't understand this. Why did they have to film that scene and put that in?

Why couldn't they have just gone to Rome? Because the only reason they knew about it, this is my theory, but I think it's right, is obviously Kim knows because Kim and Brand are best friends. Kim told Kyle. Kyle shared it with Teddy. And then Teddy shares it with the other girls on camera, including Denise, calls her out at the Rome dinner. and then between them and the producers or someone, they were like,

why don't we get it from the horse's mouth, Brandy, why don't we show how this happened? And then it's not like it came from this other source that wasn't a cast member. I would rather cut my own throat or wrist with a dull knife than participate in something like that. I feel so bad for that, Aaron, dude, when he's just getting obliterated.

I feel so bad for Aaron. I mean, he's like the best stepdad ever. Yeah, he seems like a good guy Denise is so sweet Like she did my show She did your podcast She's so nice She's so professional

She works her fucking ass off She's doing like two You know soaps Which is so much work She doesn't get the money From Charlie Sheen anymore Let's be honest He wasn't the best

I mean he put her through some shit That guy Charlie Right And so then it's like Okay I'm gonna do this show Oh and the other thing is I think she gets paid the most In fact I know she gets paid the most

Huh And I think she gets paid the most the most because she remember when Eileen was on and they said, why does Eileen Davidson get paid the most? Well, in acting, you have a quote. So whatever your quote is, they kind of have to match. So if I once was quoted to be on a talk show panel and I was going to make $10,000 an episode, and then the next time they negotiate for me to be on a talk show, they go, well, we have the standard, which it's got to be at least $10,000 a week, you know. So I think. think Denise had a very high quote for being a series regular on something and therefore first

year in she's getting paid a lot while the other people like a Sutton is not getting much at all and even the ones that have been on a long time they're they're making a lot like Kyle and Lisa but I think her initial money was probably very high and I think that pissed them off and then I also think that she was so beloved the first season St. Denise that they were kind of like, hmm. You and I were to go on housewives together. I feel like we'd be really good because we've studied it. If you're playing a game,

but I wouldn't want to play a game with my life. No. I really wouldn't. I don't want to be on reality. God, do you imagine, like, someone just trying to take down Peter? No. Making fun of Peter. Like, or saying my kids are like, you know, disrespectful or not cute enough.

Like, I don't need that. Yeah. You know, I think a lot of people will, one, they go for different reasons, but I think some people justify like, okay, well, if I do this, it'll give me the platform to do X, Y, and Z. Yes. And they tell themselves that. But they tell themselves that. But it's rare.

Like, if you look at all reality television stars, like, there's a handful, small handful that have actually taken it and then turned it into something else. Like, the majority just get obliterated in those settings. When I have talked to Carol, I said, you're the only person that did the franchise and was like kind of came on skates because you had nobody. You didn't have a husband and you didn't have a child. And that's the way it should be. Because otherwise you're putting your marriage in jeopardy. You're putting your kids in jeopardy. But if it's just yourself as a single girl, it's kind of great.

Then great. Go on trips. That's what Bethany did. Sell your lotion. Right. That's what she did. But then she married Jason. And then, you know, then that nightmare happened.

It does put your, because I think some people want to put their relationship in jeopardy. No, because I can see how the conversation would go. Lauren would come to me and she said, hey, I want to do this. No, I don't want to do it. No, no, but I'm playing it out. I wouldn't want to do it. It's not just it. She'd come to me like, hey, we should do this and we do this.

Like maybe people, more people listen to the podcast and we'll do this. We'll do this. We'll do this. And like, it'll be this great platform. I wouldn't do this. And I'd be like, all right, like, yeah, maybe that could be good. Like, yeah, maybe that could be good. And then all of a sudden you get on these things and the public's attacking you. They're attacking your marriage.

The women are attacking me. It's a blotering. There's this constant stress. You go home and you scream. I don't want someone else controlling my narrative. I think Kristen Cavalieri and Jay Cutler put themselves out there on their show and she got to be a producer. That sounds more interesting to me. Well, I still got divorced.

Yeah. That's true. No, but like I said earlier, did I say that on our show or on your show when I was saying, like, if it was going to put the marriage in jeopardy, like there's not a price. I don't want to do it. It's not worth it because then you end up. You're like, oh, great. Yeah, I can't end up with another guy that I'm getting married to with the fake off. future of these shows are a little bit in jeopardy because people have been taken down people

people have gone to jail people have gotten divorced people have killed themselves like it's it's like wow you know it's it's a lot and then them you know even in the beginning of this of these franchise that what social media wasn't where it's at you know to to be able to you know and sometimes a guy comes on he's 50 he's successful he's a great guy he's happy you love him you bring him on the show And then everyone's talking about his lack of a jawline. And he has to see that. And you were rude to your wife when she asked for the coffee. And he has to hear that.

And now he's starting to fight with you. It hurts his ego. Yeah. And then now you're fighting because of these fucking, like, bitches. I would be really mad. That are writing really mean stuff about the people's looks as they're sitting, you know, in their bed, you know, whatever in the middle of America. But I like seeing the girls go on the trips. I'm like, I've accepted the husbands aren't going to be part of it.

I'm, I think the best cast, and we talked about this on your podcast, the first one I was on it by far. I mean, we can agree is New York. Oh, yeah. So fun all the time. They just know how to bring it. Yeah. And they, they know how to forgive quickly. So it keeps the momentum of the show.

Yeah. Well, there's so many dynamics and histories between like all the families and who they were married to and what the guy did and didn't do it and didn't do. And it's like all this crazy. And then when people were like, oh, my God. they were so rude about Leah's tattoos, you know, like Ramona and Sonia and so, and I go, okay, so now do you want them to be inauthentic? Of course, a woman, you know, in her mid-50s and up living on the Upper West Side is not going to be a fan of fucking tattoos. What's your gauge on Leah? I think she's fucking cool.

I think she's fucking cool, too. But like, if Ramona was suddenly like, oh, I really like that tattoo, Leah, and I just wanted to know, like, what does that Chinese writing? mean because I really find it like authentic that you tattooed that to your vagina. You'd be like, what the fuck is wrong with Ramona? Like, that's not Ramona. So it's like, I love that they're still themselves. They're not trying to be politically correct. What does Leanne say about the tattoo? To each his own, we love. Say Levy. I don't have a tattoo. My children don't have tattoos. But you know what? If they did, I'm fine with it. And what about Sonia? I just need to know. And then I'll be done with it. I fucked a guy with the tattoo.

She is an example of someone who has put herself out there a hundred and ten percent. What I like about Sonia is like she's not mean-spirited. Like a lot of these women, I feel like there's been times that they're not happy for other people's success. They try to tear them down. They say something really stark behind their back. Sonia's just like, whatever, you know, like she's just not mean-spirited. So I think that's like even though she's a mess and she's drunk and she's taken off her

dress, I think you can't not. like her because she's never been mean to the other women. The other women have been mean to her sometimes. She's never been mean. What's your quarantine life like? Like, are we still doing a rambower with your salad from Stanley's? What's your situation? I drink a lot. I've definitely gained some weight. You look so good. No, but I know. Thank you. I appreciate it, but I know I've gained weight. What's your day to day? I work. I mean, I work. I have an office I go to, so I work at least four days, if not five days a week. But I'm not traveling.

So it's like I lost a half of my income and a half of my and half of my jobs. From touring. From touring. But that's actually been really nice. Are you done any of the virtual tour stuff yet? No. There's a lot of people doing that successful. I did one really kind of cool thing on this like Bachelor app where it was like a bachelor

like a bachelor like a, I mean like a bachelorette kind of a party and like giving advice. and that was fun. But no, I'm not excited to do that right at this point. I mean, let's see where we are in a few more months. And what's it like being at home with your kids and your husband, like more than normal? I like doing stand-up. I don't miss packing a bag. I don't miss going to LAX.

I don't miss stressing about the ticket sales. I don't miss putting the whole show together. So, I mean, to be totally frank. Like, I just, I'm lucky because I'm still getting such a creative outlet with the show and with the, you know, I do a Patreon every week plus. And so I get the love that it's just not live love. And so, and I'm not one of those like standups that are like addicted to it that are like freaking out.

Who do they want you to impersonate the most? They just say any impression, whatever. And then sometimes it's like, sometimes I'll just give like an inspirational message. Like, you know, my wife is going through a hard time, whatever, anything picked me up. And I try to like, you know, it's always funny, but sometimes it's so sweet. And tell us about the Barbies. I feel like Brokeback Mountain, like I so want to quit you because it's exhausting. And I don't feel like it's appreciated the way it should be.

It's like breastfeeding. And then something will come like this past week with Brandy's confessional about, you know, what happened with her and Denise. And I actually shot it in a little different way. I acted like I was going to a therapist. And the therapist had dolls to play with like they do when a child has possibly been child molested. And then I acted it out. And that was kind of made it fun. And people really liked it. So I really love it. And then I have a woman named Betsy who's like, we'll make the costumes and stuff like for the reunions. How is quarantine going to affect the reality shows? What's going to happen? They are filming like Dallas. They're filming O.C. They're filming New Jersey. So I guess some of them they are. I know they're filming The Bachelor. They put them all on a resort, the one with Claire Crawley.

So everybody's on a resort Everybody gets You know Checked in quarantine So I assume like the audio guy doesn't go home to his wife and kids And they film it there and they knock it out All together And I think like if I was a producer of like

A hit show like this is us or something That's what I would be trying to do Like where can we find a couple houses Can we get all the scripts together And can we like Just all be quarantined together I think If they can do some things like that.

You seem like your mentality is figure it out. Make it happen. If you can leave our audience with any piece of advice, maybe someone just starting out or someone trying to break into the similar business that you're in, what would it be? You know, whatever you like to do and you're creative and, you know, just put it out there.

So, you know, if it's something funny or comedy or whatever, write it down, make a video. Or like, even if you think something's funny, just post it on Facebook. See the response you get you. You know, if you get 100,000. friends that are like, that was funny, then just like kind of mark it and start to build it and like, you know, do your thing.

Advice I got, which is a very hard thing for people of this generation to accept, which is when I started doing stand-up, they said, nobody should see you perform like no industry, no agents for at least two years. And, you know, because you're green and you're not good and if you suck, they're going to remember that seven years from now and when you're good. And that's a very hard thing for people to accept. The minute they do stand up when live shows come back, they film themselves, they post it. They, you know, it's like, just take it down a notch.

Take some classes, work on it. Maybe do some stand up around town and not post it. Like, get it to where it's like kind of good. And I feel the same way with like, you know, like podcast. I know it's really easy. Anyone can have a podcast. But like, I also think podcasting is practice too. It's something like maybe if you're going to.

launch a podcast, maybe try practicing. Maybe, maybe do 10 and then edit it down and pick the best four. Right. I mean, when we started this, we thought like, oh, it's so easy. You just get on a mic and talk. And then if you realize, as you know, doing it over time, it's not necessarily as easy just getting on and having a conversation. You have to like do it in a way that keeps people engaged in a conversation. People say, oh, it's just like listening to people at dinner. I'm like, no, because if you ever been in dinner conversation, sometimes there's a very big lull and it's boring. Like, you have to figure out a way to continue the conversation where you can like take over someone's mind and say, okay, like, we're just going to let this person go.

Joe Rogan said he didn't get comfortable on podcasting until episode 500. He does not feel like he gained his stride in his craft that he's clearly so successful in until episode 500. Like everybody's different. That's the same person that said, like, the only way you could be good at stand-up is if you got up every night and did three shows. And I never believed in that philosophy and I'm successful. Like, that used to be the philosophy of stand-up.

You have to get up every night. For years. And that's fine for some people. But for other people, I'd be like in LA and I'd be like, oh, my God, it took me an hour to get cute and I ought to drive down here. I'm waiting in this line to get up. You know, and I'm like, oh, my God. In five hours, I could have actually like written something or a script or like, so I feel

like time and everything. I just feel like there's a different thing for everybody. Being consistent, I think, is really important, whether it's YouTubeing, all of that. You have a rare talent, though, with the impressions. Like, you do very good impressions. I don't think people, like, you know, you can maybe practice and learn stand-up comedy, but I don't know if you can, I think that's like a talent. I don't know if you can just learn that.

I think you have to be able to, maybe I'm wrong. Some people can learn it. For me, it comes naturally. I still could, I still, if I had to do someone, like, I could study that and do it. But usually it's just like comes to me as I'm like watching them or whatever. And I appreciate other really good impressionist. But I had a comedy manager recently, maybe two years ago, I interviewed him. And he was like, I watched your stand-up special in my first one.

like, stop doing the impressions. And I go, well, I'm an impressionist. He goes, no, you're not. You're a mimic. Hell is that me? And he's like, you know, you got to get to, you know, there's levels of people. Like Dave Chappelle, come on. And I'm like, you cannot fucking compare me to Dave Chappelle that makes $7 million

in Netflix special who had a $500 million or something Comedy Central. Like, there's certain people that, like, I'm like, you can't compare other comedians. Now, he had a right to say that that was his opinion. Comedy is subjective. Yeah, but he's not your audience. But someone like that will get into people's heads and they'll go, oh, okay, I'll just do the mom jokes. I'll just do the marriage jokes. Oh, my thing is making fun of my body.

That's all I'm going to do. And it's like, no, I mean, that you should be talking about the things that keep you interested. And if something works for a while and then you're kind of over it, then fucking retire it and do something else. The reason that you're so good at impressions is because you get the person's little quirks and mannerisms. That's why I think it's so good. Yeah, and it's fun and I think people like it.

People love it. And the people are doing the impression I usually like it. Yeah. Have you heard of Andrew Schultz? Yes, who is that again? He's a comedian, but like his story's similar to yours in the sense that like he basically was told no

by all these like different suits and agents and this. And then he took it in his own hands and decided to like start self-producing and he's creating like some of the smartest comedy videos I've seen right now. And you've got to check him out after it. Okay, well. But he's just like,

commenting on everything that's going on and he's just fucking blowing up. And he just did this message other days like the rocks following him and trauma and the god and like all these different people. And he's like, thank God I didn't listen to all the like agents and suits and non-creative people that were trying to get in my head and tell me what to do or not to do. He's like, he's crushing you now. But it reminds me because he went back to just like self-producing his own thing and like took all the power back from all the people that we're talking about. Yeah. Tell us about your show. My special is on Amazon Prime. So you can rent it or you can buy it Or you can go to patreon.com slash juicy scoop and join my Patreon in which then it'll live there.

Or just go to Heather McDollin.com. Which has everything to, you know, follow Juicy Scoop the podcast, watch the special, whatever. What can we expect from the special? It's really great. It's just more stories about my life. It's edgy. It's, you know, it's not totally dirty, but it's definitely not PG. It's about, you know, I talk about my marriage, the kids, my own experience, me,

observing other mothers, divorce, marriage, dating, just things that have happened, all things that, all true stories that have happened to me in the last couple years. And yeah, I mean, husbands will love it. You know, you know, you don't need to drag your husband to watch it. I'm telling you, like, the last couple shows I did before quarantine, it was like half straight men. They do like it. It's hysterical. I always have a laugh with you. What's the exact date it comes out, you said? August 7th. August 7th. We will be definitely watching it. in bed after we watch what's it called again? The San Diego murder.

Oh, it's the, it's called Dirty John, the Betty Broderick story. Yeah, we're going to watch that and we're going to watch your special in one night. The Betty Broderick's like six hours, like six episodes. Oh,

okay. You might have to milk it out. Okay, we'll milk it out. Lauren does this thing, we watch her show and she's like, can't wait, and shows on for 15 minutes.

She falls asleep. Of course. I'm fucking done. I'm like hours and hours to get through. Where can everyone find you? Instagram at Heather McDonald and TikTok and Twitter is all at Heather McDonald. Facebook is Heather McDowell comedy.

And you guys join her Facebook group. It's a really funny. Juicy Scoop of Sets. It's a private group. You have to listen to my podcast to answer the question because I don't want haters in my group. I don't want people that actually like the podcast to know who I am. And it's all everything's at Heather McDowell. com.

Okay. And follow her on Instagram. She's funny and check out her Barbies. Heather, thank you for coming on. Thank you for coming on again. Thank you. If you like that episode, definitely check out the first time she came on the show. It's episode 133.

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