The Bossticks - How Former Disney Star Maitland Ward Left Hollywood For Porn & The Adult Film Industry

Episode Date: October 10, 2022

#504: On today's episode we are joined by Maitland Ward. Maitland is an American actress and model. She made her acting debut as Jessica Forrester on the CBS soap opera The Bold and the Beautiful and later co-starred in Boy Meets World, and White Chicks. Maitland joins the show today to discuss how she left Hollywood to pursue a career in the adult entertainment industry. She also discusses how she became one of the biggest porn stars in what she describes as her liberation from Hollywood.  To connect with Maitland Ward click HERE To connect with Lauryn Evarts click HERE To connect with Michael Bosstick click HERE Read More on The Skinny Confidential HERE For Detailed Show Notes visit TSCPODCAST.COM To Call the Him & Her Hotline call: 1-833-SKINNYS (754-6697) This episode is brought to you by The Skinny Confidential. This episode is brought to you by Nutrafol Nutrafol is the #1 dermatologist-recommended hair growth supplement, clinically shown to improve your hair growth, thickness, and visible scalp coverage. Go to www.nutrafol.com and use code SKINNYHAIR to save $15 off your first month's subscription. This episode is brought to you by BetterHelp BetterHelp is online therapy that offers video, phone, and even live chat-only therapy sessions. So you don't have to see anyone on camera if you don't want to. It's much more affordable than in-person therapy & you can be matched with a therapist in under 48 hours. Our listeners get 10% off their firs month at betterhelp.com/skinny . This episode is brought to you by Lexus The Lexus RX is the best-selling luxury crossover of all time and the best-selling luxury vehicle every year since it was first introduced. Never lose your edge with the all-new Lexus RX. Experience Amazing at your Lexus dealer. This episode is brought to you by Once Upon a Farm Once Upon a Farm is the leading baby food and kids snacks brand offering organic, cold-pressed fruit and veggie pouches, dairy free smoothies, overnight oats, plant rich meals and more. Go to onceuponafarmorganics.com and use code SKINNY at checkout to receive 35% off your first subscription order. and use code SKINNY at checkout to receive 35% off your first subscription order. This episode is brought to you by Hims & Hers It's never been easier to climax from home. Go to www.forhims.com/SKINNY and start your online visit for free. This episode is brought to you by Steve Madden This season, Steve Madden is getting ready and going out; we're taking whoever wants to go, and whoever's game for a good time. You can now get ready for any occasion in head-to-toe Steve Madden. The brand has you covered from apparel, to footwear, handbags, and accessories. Use code SKINNY20 at checkout for 20% off your first purchase at www.stevemadden.com. Promo code excludes pre-order items. Produced by Dear Media

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We can watch violence on television and movies. But if you talk about sex or see a nipple or anything, it's just totally scandalous. I was afraid of it at one time. I thought I had to do that and live up to that kind of thing to be, oh, no, sex is, you know, and dirty sex is not good. Welcome back, everybody. Welcome back to the skinny confidential him and her show. That clip was from our guest of the show today, Maitland Ward.

And today we're talking all things Hollywood, all things porn. Many of you may remember Maitland from the very popular show, at least we remember it, Boy Meets World. She played Rachel McGuire. She also starred in White Chicks with Sean and Marlon Waynes. That movie is hilarious. So she definitely came up in a more traditional Hollywood acting career, working with platforms like Disney, and then definitely took a turn now as an adult film star. And we really dive into it on this episode. We talk all things porn, what her experience was like in Hollywood, what it was like coming up on an iconic show like Boy Meets World, and then

deciding to pivot into porn. And if you remember a couple weeks back, we had Lana Rhodes on the podcast. And her experience with porn was not so favorable. You know, she really didn't like her experience. She is very negative about the porn industry, which has been well documented. And it was interesting to talk to Maitland because her experience has been completely opposite. She said it's very empowering, liberating. And we really get into it on this episode. I mean, it kind of goes all over the place and really kind of like chronicles her career and transition into porn. And it's just interesting to have two people that have the same kind of experience, or at least in the same kind of space, with such different perspectives. You know, that's kind of what we like to do on this show,

is kind of have two sides of the same coins that, you know, share different experiences. So like I said, guys, you know, we get into it here. And she's just now coming off her new book, Rated X, How Porn Liberated Me from Hollywood. So like I said, her experience with porn has been very positive out of her mouth, no pun intended. And we get into it here. It's an interesting episode. She's definitely had a very interesting career, interesting life. And we really enjoy talking her. With that, Maitland, welcome to Skinny Confidential, him and Her show. This is the Skinny Confidential, him and her. Boy Meets World. That is an iconic way to come out, like to start in this industry. That show was one of my favorite shows. I'm sure you've heard that from everyone. What was that

like when you got cast on that show? It was an interesting experience because I have to tell you, back when we were doing the show, we did not know that it was so popular and so iconic, honestly, because there wasn't social media back then, and there, you know, there was barely like the internet. It was just, like, starting. So when I got cast, I knew it was a great show, and it had an established, and it had an established cast. And so I was coming into it kind of, you know, with an already running train and stuff, a well-oiled machine. But I actually did, I was not auditioning for Boy Meets World when I got Boy Meets World, because I was, the executive producer Michael Jacobs, he was doing a pilot called Zoe Duncan, Jack, and Jane for the WB.

Remember the WB? And so I was testing against Selma Blair, actually, for the role on that show. And Selma got it, and she was wonderful at it. They wanted somebody, like, were totally different types. But Michael was like, no, I want Maitland for Boy Meets World because they were thinking of getting a roommate or some kind of girlfriend rivalry for Jack and Eric. because they were living together and they needed some sort of girl conflict, I guess. But they had not put out any like, you know, auditions for it or anything, but he said, that's the one. That's the one. I want her to be on the show. So I got a holding deal from

Disney and Michael and the production company. And so then that's where it started. And it was like, it was surreal. It was like I was, you know, I had done a soap opera before for years. But this was like the big time. So. And at this point, how old are you? I was 21, I believe, 2021. And at 21, are you confident in your sexuality or looking back, were you insecure? What was that like? Yeah, I was not confident in my sexuality. I had sexual thoughts and desires and fantasies that I really wanted to suppress because I thought

I had to be a good girl. And so I had to follow, you know, the straight, narrow and, like, you know, do everything people wanted me to do. And back in those days, like Disney and, you know, my parents and, like, you know, my parents and, whoever was along the way, always wanted me to be this good girl and I wanted to live up to that. I know I was not confident in my sexuality or my body, even though I was like a twig. And I thought I was just like so fat and I was so ridiculous. And like I did. I really did. And not like terribly so, but I just didn't want to show certain parts and stuff.

And then it was funny because on Boy Meets World, I showed a lot of parts. That's so weird to me because I remember being little watching that show being like, she's so beautiful. Like you were like the like beautiful character on that show to me. Oh, thank you. Because I was telling someone that I was just getting my hair died and I was telling someone I was interviewing you and I'm like, you know the really beautiful redhead and everyone was like, oh yeah, like everyone knew that you were like the beautiful character. When you look back on your experience at Hollywood at 21 years old, especially back in the day. Yeah. Did you have moments where you can point to where there was like weirdness from these men producers or directors? Yes. And I didn't at the time

think it was weirdness. And now looking back on it, I, it's a hard thing because it was such a culture back then, especially with like the Disney culture and everything, to kind of sexualize girls and to have them in these sexual situations. And especially my character was always in some sexual situation when you look back on it. I was in a food fight with feet and like we were wrestling around and I was pounding the boys with baguettes and mariner sauce. And I'm sure the boys love that. Those poor boys. But now looking back, somebody had a foot fetish and a food fetish. But also, yeah, and also I choked on a hot dog where Matt Lawrence had to like thrust me from behind to get it out of my throat.

So, yeah. But I don't even know if it was such a conscious effort by any of the producers. I think it was just part of the mindset and the culture. Like even to this day, I don't think that like the men there, they just thought it was the way that it was. Yeah, because like in hindsight, I never, I don't, you don't look back and think of boy me to. world as like this overly risque show that was pushing too far, right? But like when you talk about, when you talk about these moments, like, oh, that maybe was a little sexualized, but it felt like part of the culture. I mean, that's a show that we watched when we came home from school. Right, right.

It wasn't like, whoa, what's going on the TV? No. And it was kind of interesting. I heard somebody say it was like they wanted to have like the hot girl on the show and do these things that weren't so overt and so overt to the audience, like you say, like the kids and the teens watching didn't pick up on that right away. But it made them kind of want to watch. more. In a weird way, I feel like that show kind of also, this isn't making you sound weird long, like, walk some people through puberty a little bit, right? It's like you go from being like an adolescent to like, like, you're kind of like transitioning into a young adult. And that show was like something you can kind of watch, like, oh, I'm kind of like thinking these same kind of

things or having these same kind of experiences, right? So it never felt like, whoa. It was just felt, it felt relatable, I feel like. Right. And you know what? I have to say, Michael Jacobs did an excellent job of not playing down to the audience. He always played up. Like, how they were maturing. So I have to commend them for that. So, yeah, any of the weirdness and stuff, it was just, yeah, it was part of that culture. And, like, when I had to go into the offices and try on lingerie over and over and over again, I just felt like it was my job to do that.

Are they, like, beating their meat under the desk? Like, what do you mean? They're like, hey, we need you to try on 16 pairs of laundry. Like, I don't understand that. You're 21. Why did you have to try on the laundry? Yeah, to this day. I want to know, like, what the reason was.

I don't know. although I think it was that they wanted to get the exact right ones, you know, but they were really a risque ones and then not so risque ones. And I ended up wearing the not so risque one, although it was pretty risque for Disney at the time. Although I have to say I had a conversation recently with the executive producer Michael Jacobs. And I have to say, we had a long talk about everything. And it was wonderful. So I think we've really come to a good place on that. And I don't think it was his fault.

It was just the culture of Disney and all that stuff that nobody even saw that things. And what about the cast on the show then and now? Is it like everyone's good vibes? Was there any caddiness on set? Was it easy, breezy? You know, I would think that it was kind of normal. There was little squabbles and little dating squabbles and things like that. But it wasn't bad.

I think now it's getting a little catty with a podcast and everything. They're coming down on the show a lot. I heard. It's like way more than I do. Yeah, they just did like a rewatch podcast, right? Yeah, they're doing it now. Who's doing it? Who's hosting that?

Writer and Will and Danielle. And it's Mayhem over there? Yes, it's Mayhem. I was like, I'm kind of floated. It's funny. Porn has not become the scandal of the Boy Meets World history or whatever. So when you look back on your childhood before Boy Meets World, you said you felt like you had to be a good girl. Where did that come from?

Is it just something that you told yourself? You said you mentioned your parents a little bit. Did you grow up out here? Yes, I grew up in Long Beach, California. So, yeah, although it felt very far away from L.A. because it's, like I said in the book, they called it Iowa by the sea because it's very hometown kind of feeling and away from L.A. So I didn't live that whole L.A. lifestyle.

But my parents, my parents are wonderful. I'm going to say that. They weren't, like, strict where they were, like, you know, doing anything terrible to me. It was just the feeling of I want to live up to people. be this good girl. And my grandmother was very religious and she wanted me to be like this very straight-laced Christian girl. Didn't do anything sexual ever until she's married just because she has to. But I wanted to be that girl for everybody. I guess I was just that kind of person too. Like, you know, like the person who wants to just really excel in school and be like perfect and,

you know, and I had to live up to that like perfection all the time. And it was really hard when I was having feelings, especially when I started getting older, sexual feelings and feelings about my body. and people I, you know, I was attracted to or things that I thought that I knew would, oh my God, they were so bad. Like everyone in, you know, the church and the community and my family would just like be outraged by it. So I had to just really suppress myself. Before I ask you my next question, I have to ask this. Did you have any off-camera relationships with any of the guys on Boy Meets World?

Was there anyone that you like had a crush on? No. You know what? No. I did not. We were, we really were kind of like a fan. And we still are a family. No matter.

Like, family has dysfunction in it. And family has squabbling, fighting. But they still have love for each other. But no, I did not. It was funny because Ben Savage was always like, he was always wondering about my sexuality. And I talk about that. He thought I was like this sexual being coming in here, like this unicorn. I had the long legs and the short red hair.

And I was a little older, which felt like at the time older felt so much older than three years older or something. So he would always like come out and you know like what did you do last night? What was your date like? What kind of sexual acts did you do? Ben is savage. I know, I know. But I didn't take it in a way where he was trying to harass me. He was just interested. He was like just fascinated. So I used to sometimes take little Polaroids of the lingerie because I had a lot on the show and put him on his door and his vanilla ice poster. I bet he died. Yeah. And he'd be like, oh, you're killing me, you know. What point did you feel after being on the show that you wanted to explore your sexuality? Did you remember an epiphany where you were like, you know what? I'm so sick of being like the good girl. Like I'm going to take this a different way.

You know what? It was kind of in steps. It was so, such long steps. Like I took it just like little baby steps at a time. I always found myself, I'm like an exhibitionist at heart and daring and I like to shock people. And that's shocking to me now because I didn't like to shock people when I was young. But I found myself, I mean, I like to take a little risk and I just tiptoed into different things that I was interested in. But I always kept them a secret along the way.

What do you mean? Give us an example. Like I wouldn't ever to the public or to fans or, you know, anybody except, you know, eventually my husband or who I was dating or seeing or doing. Doing. I wouldn't like divulge like that image. I'd always still felt I needed to uphold the good girl image. And it was, it was, I mean, I'm a nice. good girl, but good is like such a relative word. I don't like the word good because you can be good

and have hot sex and do everything. And so I still feel like I'm a good girl, but that certain image that was, you know, thrust upon me when I was when I was younger. So when you meet your husband, you're not in the porn industry yet. No, and I met him very young. I met him like, and we were together off and on for some years before we got married. I mean, we were very young. So I was not anywhere near the porn industry. I wasn't even anywhere near like being able to admit to him that I liked girls and like I had that kind of feeling that I was like bisexual or anything. So when did you admit that to him? Like what was the conversation behind closed doors that happened between you and your husband first to admit that you liked girls and then that you wanted to try porn? Well, he saw like we went

to this party. We're talking about this guy over here. Yeah, he's over there. He's over there. Same guy for yeah, all these years. Well, congratulations. I know. We've been married almost 16 years. Wow. I know. And everybody else's marriages break up, but they say the porn one will break up. I think it was he saw me with a girl at this party, and I did some stuff. And, you know, I was a little, you know, a little drunk at the time. But I thought the next morning he was going to be furious at me. And he was like, oh, he was like, it's a fine. I don't have any problem with that.

If you, I see that you like that. And if you want to explore that side of yourself. So he was very open to that. So the girl thing was fine. Is he like explore it with me or explore it? on your own? It was explored on my own, really, because he's not, he's a very monogamous kind of person. How did you guys have that conversation where he's like, I'm monogamous, I just want to be with you, and you're like, well, it wasn't ever, ever like a real conversation. It was just these,

just knowing each other along the way. But that, what was a conversation about the girls, like at that time when he saw me with the other girl? Yeah, it wasn't really like, he just was like that. I mean, he just never had, never wanted to do that. I mean, if he did, I would, I would be open to that. What a guy. What a guy. But I can't say he doesn't like watching the stuff that I have with girls on videos or anything. That's okay. Yeah, he's, yeah, he likes that kind of stuff. Yeah. Okay, so once you explore that, then when does the porn conversation come up? And what sparked your curiosity? Like, lead us down the road of what that looked like. It was interesting because I had, we moved to New York, actually, for a while. And after we were married, and that's, that's

actually when I was opening to my sexuality and telling him about my feelings towards girls and how I had all these erotic like thoughts and and desires. And so I started, he was encouraging of me to start exploring that side of myself. So I started erotic writing and I started really just, it was kind of like I was talking to the page and that was kind of my psychotherapy in a way, you know, where I could confess to the page what I wanted and what I desired. And then I could like play it out in my mind but then I I never really thought that I would play it out in real life even though you know I did have those desires but it didn't come about until the spinoff from boy meets world girl meets world came about and that sounds weird but anyway I'll get down the lane of the story of that

we came back to L.A. and Girl Meets World was coming out and it was kind of a shock I didn't I had no idea that there was going to be a spinoff or anything like that but there was such renewed interest in the And that is when we knew how iconic the show was. Really. When that came out. How many years after was this? Oh, this was in like, oh, was it 2013? Okay, because I was trying to remember.

Like 13 years after. I would have aged out of it by now. Right. But like all these people and all this press, like I remember, I went to the set of the pilot. I took some pictures and saw some people. And I took a picture with Bill Daniels, Mr. Feeney. And I put it on my Instagram, which had no followers at that time. It was so, Instagram was kind of new.

I had a new account. I didn't even think about it because I wasn't in that mindset yet. It went on every press site the next day that Rachel and Feeney back on the set again. And it was wild to me that I could have such a connection on social media and then have the press pick up on it. And I hadn't, you know, connected all the dots yet. But that was really the start of me knowing that, wait a minute, I can take social media and I can actually do things that I want to do. do and be my authentic self and have people see me for who I wanted to be because Hollywood was like shutting me out for so many years saying no you were Rachel but you know you were cute

back then but we don't want you now you know they tell me you can't be sexy or do anything you want to do because you know you have to be 25 or less to do that and so I was thinking well I mean if I don't even care anymore if I want to just like do my do cosplay so I wanted to just see, is anybody interested in my cosplay, the sexy cosplay or anything, or anybody interested in like... Would you know what cosplay is? It's when you dress up like comic book characters. Yes.

I know about this. I know what it is now that you say that. I just didn't know what the shortness is. Oh, yeah. A nerd sci-fi guy at the table. Don't worry. I know all about it. I didn't know that I could actually have like a career in it.

When I first started, I was just, you know, I liked for fun. I'm a big Star Wars geek and all. Oh, hold on. Hold on. Hey, she won't even watch one of them with me. Oh, no. I don't like it. What's wrong?

What are we doing wrong? I don't know. I was just so empowered, like, as a kid, by Princess Leia and all of that. Like my dog, my Springer Spaniel would play Chewy because, you know, she had the long brown ears. Do I need to dress up as Princess Leia in the bedroom? I think Princess Leia is the most amazing princess. Yeah, you should. Hey, I've done it with a lightsaber, so, you know.

Are you like banging their asshole with a lightsaber? No, I'm just a prop. It's myself. Okay, got it, got it. I'm being, I actually did a shoot with Darth Vader. And it was actually my husband. been in a Darth Vader costume, and I was leading what he was doing it. That's amazing.

Yeah, but then we realized that that's the father and the daughter, so it was a little weird. But you know what? It was just caused. There's different strokes for different clothes. Wait, so you started dipping your toe in with that first. Yeah. Just what I wanted to do, because I was tired of people telling me, you can't be cast for this. You can't do these kind of roles.

And they didn't even want me for the roles that I had before. And you were like actively auditioning after just trying to do something different. Yes, for a while. not after I went to New York because I came back and I was like, I'm just going to write. And I took screenwriting at UCLA for two years. And I really wanted to write. And I found all my scripts kind of contained these sexual character, these women that were very empowered by their sexuality. Or they got empowered by their sexuality.

So I think that was a real precursor. I think even my teacher and stuff noticed all these women are just very like dominant like kind of figures. And they all had some sort of sexual tone to them. I thought I was going to just write a script for myself maybe or write scripts for others. But when Girl Meets World came around, it really, the interest in everything, it was like, I found it really fun to do my social media, too. And I didn't, like, monetize my social media for, I don't, I think, like, five years. I also think what's so great about you is you are that iconic, like, hot woman from Boy Meets World. And then you come back with Girl Meets World and all those young fans that grew up with you that are now male adults are, like, obsessed.

I'm sure. Maybe women, too. Both are obsessed. And I think that that's also like It turns them on Probably. Oh yeah, I get guys Yeah, girls too, but mostly guys Say that they, you know, they used to jerk off to me

When they were a teenager and now they're still jerking off Taylor, did you jerk off? I'm sure Taylor did. Taylor I jerked off to everybody Yeah, Taylor was jacking off to Ben Savage To Mr. Feeney, no Taylor's a Mr. Feeney guy Taylor's Mr. Feeney guy So when did you decide

okay, I'm going to give the porn industry a shot. This is it. Okay, I kept putting up pictures and I got more and more of a following and everything. And then I have like all all my pictures started getting taken down just because they were sexy. Like sexy cosplay pictures? Yeah, I wasn't even

showing anything. It was like, oh, they're just too sexy like my snapschats and Instagrams and stuff. So my fans were like, a couple, you know, fans were like, why don't you sell content? And I was like, I didn't know what content was at that time. and but I could sell like you know nude pictures or do playboy esk type stuff and sell my sexy

cosplay you know and take it off too so I thought okay I'll try it and I'll just I put up a Patreon page which is where fans are like patrons of you from I charge anywhere for 15 to $300 a month for whatever they wanted to do or like whatever packages they wanted of pictures or videos. Give us some examples of the packages oh like I had in the beginning like photo galleries like all my photo galleries and I do like special photo galleries of, you know, my cosplay and all the nudie kind of photos and stuff like that, like videos, like sexy videos. And it got more into like solo stuff that I would do at first. But I didn't realize that the Patreon page just blew up. I didn't even tell anybody. And it had

20 members the next morning. And I was like, wait a minute, I'm going to tell people now. And then it had like 2,800 members by the end of the week. So I was like the number one adult creator. Adult meaning at the time, like, you know, nudes and stuff. But yeah. So then it started. And I was so empowering to find that I could just have my own business and do my own thing and do stuff I wanted to do. And my fans were there for me because I've been told for so long that my fans would never buy anything sexy. Nobody would. And I was like becoming this creator. So it was a long process.

Like I said, the solo stuff I did at first. I explored that. And I was like, I like this. And then of course I like girls. And so I was thinking, you know, let's do some girl, girls stuff. And, you know. Walk us through your first. moment. My first moment with girls. Well, it's funny because I did an international kiss a ginger day,

which is a day in January. Taylor, write it down. Some years before with a lesbian porn star named L. Alexandra. And I only happened to ponder. It wasn't like I was looking for a porn star, but I needed somebody to kiss. A girl to kiss for International Kiss of Ginger Day. Or just the press. It was a setup. I did a bunch of setups back then of fun stuff, and the press would pick up on it. But somebody found her and said, hey, she really loves Boy Meets World, and she's really hot, and she's a lesbian porn star. She's so willing to do this.

So we just were going to have, like, a little slumber party and go, but we ended up, like, getting totally naked by the end of it and taking these erotic photos and everything and, like, almost doing it. At the end of it, she was like, you're going to be in the adult, do something in the adult space one day.

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That's better help.com slash skinny. What is the difference between someone who's a professional and an amateur? Like give us, for someone, I'm so curious about the behind the scenes of the porn industry. Like what makes a professional? Well, a professional, they really have to know how to work the camera, too. I mean, it's not just like having sex. You have to know how to, I guess, you know, put it out there. So you have to be an actress.

You have to be both. Yeah, it's not that you are enjoying the sex and you are, like, having a great time, but you do have to be an actress or an actor in many ways. Do you have to have a huge penis if you're a guy or does sometimes the tech be a small one? You know what a lot of them do. I mean, I've been with some pretty huge ones. But not everybody has a huge one. No.

yeah it's kind of Taylor there's opportunity for you you have your small one you could do like a micro series micro weenie yeah micro we need you gotta do that you gotta last a little while though yeah yeah oh see that's where I'd get cancelled

I actually wanted to put you on the spot and ask you this so our producer Taylor yeah he he talked about this open yeah he has a little bit of problem with coming too fast he said it's gotten better it's definitely gotten better but it's definitely

he's lasting 40 seconds like how many times is he coming in a day? Taylor, be honest. In a day? I mean, well... Like in a... Taylor, be honest. Yeah.

Not, well, obviously not when I'm in the office, but usually if I'm, if I... Obviously. Please don't want you're behind me. That's for sure. We can't see you behind that screen. I definitely don't. I mean, it's, it depends. Usually in the weekends, maybe, but during the week days...

No, no, how many days? How many times? One. I mean, the most I've ever done it was like seven when I was a little kid. I just went on like a beat fest. Whoa. What the fuck is a beat fest? So what, do you have any tips?

Well, that's the way that I was thinking. A lot of the guys in porn, they come so much that it's just, you know, it doesn't come as fast. You know what I mean? But I don't know. I can't really give you all the tips for that because they have their own tips, the foreign guys. Edging. Do some edging. Oh, yeah, that's worked really well.

It has 100%. And just so the audience knows, I'm going to probably not explain it right, but it's basically jacking off until you're about to come. And then stop. Yeah. That's hard. It's very hard, but I think it'll train him all over. better. Do you don't need to edge? Do you edge? I don't, I mean, I think I'm it's kind of fun too. You're good. You don't need to edge. I've probably

edged in my day, but I don't need to, I'm not doing it so much. Okay, so what makes the professional and what makes, what is more when you can tell someone's an amateur. Okay, like, performing for the camera, too, but it's also, I think it's just a mindset too, because when they come and they know it's a job. And like people say, oh, aren't you afraid that your husband's afraid you're going to run off together or whatever? And it's like, no, they come in. They know they're doing their job. They know how to do their job. They know how to keep it going. Sorry. You're both in the same place. Like you're both coming for a purpose. It's not like you're going out on a date and cheating on them. It's like a setup thing. You know, you get paid at work or whatever.

And you, you know, do this job. And then you shake hands and go away. Do you always come as the woman every single time? I most all of the time I do because they do know what they're doing. They do. Now, you can get some people that, you know, they lose their erections or whatever. And that's, that's a trouble. I haven't had that very much in my career because I get to pick the performers that I work with, but there has been an instance where, you know, they lose it. But it's also hard because people don't realize, especially in my light of porn because I work at deeper.com and vixen mainly, so I do very long features. So we'll have like 14 hours of acting. Oh, Jesus. Yeah, we don't have short days. I'm not doing that much, Edging, Lord. Yeah. No, but we don't do the sex 14 hours. How does the guy last?

Well, no, no, the hour is only for the sex. Got it. But we're acting and doing like scenes and doing everything like a movie would do. So a lot of guys come on the set if they're new and not even on my sets, but all the deeper sets and stuff. And they have problems because they're used to doing porn scenes where they just go in and it's an hour or two and they just kind of, you know. They just go in and have sex leave. They're not actually doing the full performance. So it's a lot for them.

What do you like better, sex with a woman or a man? And if it is a woman, I want to know why. I like sex with a man better, I think. Women, I enjoy, of course I enjoy them, but there's different parts of it. Like, I think women are so, like, sensual and, you know, just comforting and soft. And I just love that part of it. But I do enjoy the really, like, hard sex of a man, especially when it's really passionate and stuff. Like, a woman can be passionate, but I think I get different things from it and different, like, attractions for it.

But I think men more, but I love women. Let me ask you this. We were talking a little bit offline. We told you, and people that are listening, we've had Lana Rhodes on the show talking about porn. And her experience compared to yours, obviously, night and day different. She doesn't look fondly on the porn industry. And you were saying, and I don't want to put words in your mouth, that you disagree a little bit with that sentiment, because it sounds like in your experience, you've had a very positive experience with the adult industry. I think it's actually a disgrace, which she's done because, and I don't know what's going on in her personal life. I don't know her. I know she did work for Vixen, which I work for when she started out. She became very famous for working in porn, and she was really great and beautiful girl. She made millions from being in the porn industry. She would not have a career if she was not in the porn industry. And she has, like, totally stabbed the industry in the back repeatedly. And it's like she does it to get more fame, more like, she wants to, like, separate herself to try to be some mainstream person.

And I just think that's terrible to do to an industry that she could help and she could really give a voice. to. And, you know, I'm not saying she didn't have any bad experiences, but she has an amazing fortune and career and just presence because of it. So, I mean, yeah, everybody has bad experiences and things. And I have, you know, I had weird experiences like in Hollywood and stuff, but I'm still so grateful to Boy Meets World and to my soap days and to my Hollywood experiences, no matter if I had bad experiences. I know I wouldn't be here today if I didn't have that. And I just think she's trying to use it to get attention. So your issue is like you may have had bad experiences,

but there's a lack of acknowledgement of what the benefit of those experience. Yes. And she had, yes, yes, exactly. I know that, you know, I wouldn't have gotten the attention if I hadn't have been on Boy Meets World for doing porn. I mean, maybe I would have, you know, but I might not have even gone there. Yeah. It gave you like a launch pad. Yeah, I just, I don't have any respect for her for doing that. What are the good sides and the bad sides of the industry from your perspective?

It's interesting because I have a different perspective. because I'm coming at it from a different place. If I was a young girl coming into the industry, it would definitely be harder. I couldn't have done it when I was young. And I think that, you know, especially when they're starting out and they're not at the big companies,

like if they get to Vixen and if they get to the big brands, they're going to be treated well and they're going to be treated like a regular movie or a regular TV show. It's the same in Hollywood. If you get to the big studios, you're going to be treated like a professional. But if you're starting out

and you just listen to everything, everybody and you like find a guy to party who says, ah, I film porn and here come to my studio and it's, it's a skeezy studio and it's, you know, just like if you find some yucky photographer and mainstream or you, uh, or some bad movie, I wish there were some, I think girls need to be guided definitely when they're younger in the industry. Me coming into it, I had all my faculties about me. I knew what I was doing. I started working with the top right away and I started doing things that I really wanted to do. Like I said, we make the big feature films. So I was able to really find my acting career again and do acting that I never thought I would be able to do because

we have full-link scripts. I mean, I did like a three-page monologue in a movie we did and like had 750 lines. So it's been an amazing experience that way. And I think the pitfalls of the industry are like any industry, especially in the entertainment industry, because you can find really bad people that will suck you in and say, oh, I can make you a star. And I, and I can give you everything, but it's like they're just trying to use you for sex or for whatever purposes that they want to. I have to ask this question. Is there no jealousy at all in your marriage with this? Like, has there never been an issue? And if so, like, maybe there's someone who's interested that wants to get into the industry that's married. Like, what advice would you offer?

I think my husband is a very special person in that way. He's not jealous of me. But I think it's like he would be jealous if I was like going out on dates, I think. It wouldn't be or, you know, having having very intimate relationships with people. And you know what? We looked at the porn industry because he recognized, he was the one who recognized in me that I needed to do stuff with men when I was doing my content. And I found two great male porn stars who had been in the industry over 10 years

from knowing the female porn stars that I've been working with. But he was the one who said, you know, I really think you need to play out these erotic fantasies. You're really good at performing. You need to do this. And I wasn't going to broach that subject with him because I just kept talking about like fantasies I had

and things. oh, wouldn't this be cool if I had this dungeon and I was hanging here and I was doing, you know, and I was getting caned or whatever. And he was like, you know what, let's try this. But we actually saw the porn industry or working with porn stars at first as a very safe space for me to, you know, play this out. And especially getting established people. Because like I said, they come in. They do their job. We have fun.

We have a great time. I remember before the first time that I worked with actually both of my male talent that I found. My husband was talking with them, like laughing, talking about sports and, you know. Nothing jealous ever. No, he was not jealous at that. No, he wasn't. But the way you're explaining it actually in a strange kind of way to me, because obviously this is foreign, makes some sense. Because I think if you went out and you're like, I'm going to play these fantasies out outside of the marriages and the general public with strangers.

Like that might be like, whoa, what's going on? Yeah, he would definitely be not before that. Yeah. But with this, it's like you're going to other people who know they're there for a job. There's no connection. Everyone's leaving after they're acting professional. it's a safe space, safe environment,

and then you're also turning it into a business. And you've never fallen in love or liked someone that you've been with. No, I have had girls

that I've had sort of relationships. But he doesn't care about girls. He doesn't care about the girls, no. Yeah, no. So I have had girls that,

yes, I've had relationships. I talk about it in the book. Her book, you guys? We're going to get to that, but you got to read the book. So, okay,

so if someone wants to get into this industry and they're married or they're not married, what advice would you offer them? I think if they're not married, you know, I honestly, I think you need to find a presence on social media these days. They find girls who are young who just send, they used to this, I guess, just send their pictures in and then they'd call them out or whatever they did. I don't know in the old days. But I really find that a lot of young girls, any girls, if maybe they're male performers or whatever.

But if they find a presence, especially on Onlyfans and on social media, on Twitter, and they get a following, then they get noticed. and they say, okay, they want people with some sort of a following to really, you know, hire them for stuff. So if they get noticed that way, that's a really good way to try to build your following. Camming. A lot of girls get it from caming doing cam shows where they, you know, I don't know, there's different cam sites like camsoda and my free cams.

That's what I would do if I got into the industry. I would do only fans because I feel like you can control it. Yeah, totally. And that's what I do so much of my time now, aside from my professional porn career. But yeah, my only fans, it was. And just like the Patreon going into OnlyFans, it was like such a way to like control my content and do what I want to do and be with the people that I want to be with and show the stuff I wanted to show. You've done such a good job in my opinion and I have a lot of respect for you of how you've gotten into this industry. I think you're very smart about it. Your husband said you're a self-made millionaire. I mean, you've done really well.

How do you think you've done that? Like was there's strategy behind this? Not at the beginning. No, I think now I, you know, there's some strategy about what? content you put out and stuff but in the beginning no i was honestly taking an authentic journey for myself and when i started the content and i was like so surprised there was all these members to my patreon i was like this is fun let's let's let's take it more and let's like let's do this and i want to do this and and stuff and that got to the guy stuff and everything but my fans i would not be here if it wasn't from my fans and the press because hollywood was not going to let me in again like i said they were not going to let me do what i wanted to do and it was so hard and if it was so hard and if

If I hadn't had a fan base from my social media that was following me and snowballing and like saying, we really like her like this and we really like what she's doing. And I think they really recognized that I finally was my authentic self and I wasn't like playing this good girl kind of image anymore. I was like just showing, hey, this is who I am. And they responded to it. And then the press really picked up on that. So I would be like all over the news when I had, you know, sexy cosplay costumes at Comic-Con. or was on red carpets wearing sexy dresses or something.

So people got to notice me and like they got to see my personality and stuff. But that's what got me, I guess, known. So I think both of them so much. Was everyone in the cast supportive of what you've done your evolution? Is it like a shocker to anyone? They're like, whoa. Or is it like, oh. I didn't really get any response from anyone.

Trina did. She supported me in the beginning. And Will has contacted me since then and says he supports me, but won't watch anything. that I do. And actually, Michael Jacobs says he very much supports me. But the rest, I have not heard a word from. I haven't heard scandal. I haven't heard like, oh, you're terrible. But I kind of felt like I was just gone from them. Like, just, you're just, we don't want anything to do with you anymore. Especially it was with the Girl Meets World thing. I was the only cast member not to be on the show.

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Have you noticed that? I feel like even when we talk about sex on the podcast, like I'll get DMs that people, and they're projecting it on to me. It's their own issue. It doesn't bother me. But why do you think they're so uncomfortable with the subject of it? I don't know. It's such a taboo and it's weird because everybody watches porn, basically, and everybody has sex. And it's so ingrained in us that sex is so taboo that we can watch violence everywhere on television and movies and stuff.

But if you talk about sex or see a nipple or anything, it's just totally scandalous. It's funny because being in the porn industry now, I just get used to like seeing dicks or boobs, just walk, not even in sex, just walking around or, you know, just seeing, you know, scenes. on the internet or whatever and I think I'm desensitized to it but I still don't understand I don't understand why people are so afraid of it I I think if they let themselves go more because I was afraid of it at one time I thought I had to do that and live up to that kind of thing like to be oh no sex is you know and dirty sex is not good and you know there's actually this interesting thing that's happening right now these very feminist women like very like not are like trying to de-sex women it's weird no it's

actually a phenomenon now. It's because the people that you're talking about, if you don't fit into their perfect box and you're outside the box, then you're out. But how is that being a feminist? I don't understand it. It's like they say that sex is bad for women, not sex in general, but like, you know, like being sexualized, or like BDSM is just misogyny in that space. Like it's just a way to, you know, glorify misogyny, which I don't know. How is it misogyny when I'm beating a woman also I just don't understand why we can't understand there's different strokes for different folks. If someone wants to do that, that's their own prerogative. Good for them. Go do it. Like, I don't get why what someone else does bothers other people. Yeah, I know. And there's these groups that are

really trying to shut down all of porn. And that's why I'm so angry about the Lana Roeb's narrative because she could have a voice and she doesn't. Yeah, it's like some women and maybe I'll get torn a lot of saying this, but some women have made the decision that they're the, they're the spokeswoman for all women and they'll look at you and say, hey, you are holding other women back by the truth, even though the story you've told today is an empowering story of basically you taking control of your own life and doing what you want to do as a woman, right? Yeah. But some people will say, okay, well, you can't do that.

Even though for your life, this is empowering for you. It's found success. You're happy and all the things because you're holding the other group back that disagrees with your choices. Yeah, and it's weird because I don't know why I'm holding any group back because they can do whatever they want. If they want to be monogamous in a relationship and have kids, do it. Like, that's fine.

But if you want to have a poly relationship. It's why so many people have a difficult time jumping onto a lot of these, like, blanket causes because there's all these caveats of things. Like, there's all these mental gymnastics you have to do to understand what's okay and what's not. It's like, let's support all women, except women that do that. Yeah. Right? Because that's, yeah.

And it's like, well, you're counter to the entire message of supporting all women because there's carve outs. And it's interesting, these ultra, like, it's weird. The ultra really progressive feminist and the really conservative right, like, have joined hands to bring down the sex industry and they are really trying and they like taking the credit cards away from porn hub and brad you know mind geek and all of that just trying oh they've done so much stuff i can't even like list it all right now but it's just weird that they're joining forces like that and i think their narrative especially like the really progressive the feminist ones who want to take sex away from women or take their sexual like you know maybe different likes and stuff away

they say, oh, it's because it's just feeding into men. But they're always tying their narrative to a man. Yeah, but I watch porn. What is that? I know. And how does that work? They think that only men watch porn. They want that narrative out there.

Sexuality in a woman is only tied to what the male gaze wants. And it's so far from the truth. I have so many young women, especially younger women, 20s, 30s and stuff, who come up to me and are like, oh, I'm so empowered by you. And I love watching porn. And they like that my kind of porn is like more thoughtful and they can watch a script and stuff. And it's more, it's not the pizza boy getting a blowjob. All my friends, all my girlfriends that I've talked to like lesbian porn too.

Yes. I like lesbian porn better than men porn because like just for me, like for me personally, I just don't want to see a throbbing cock. Like I have enough of that from my husband. Like I don't need to see someone else's throbbing cock. Like I'd rather watch lesbian porn. But I think that like I feel like some people are just. maybe fearful about maybe something in their childhood, maybe their upbringing, whatever, they're fearful.

And so what they do with the fear is they shut it down. Yes. Yes, exactly. Or they don't want to acknowledge that they're having these sexual feelings, right? Because then it maybe says something about them personally. That's very true. It's where like Terry Cruz, who I started with, who started with in white chicks, he has been such an anti-porn person.

I mean, he wants the industry shut down, all sex work shut down because he had an addiction. I mean, I was just going to say, did he have an addiction? You know, I think his wife caught him too many times. I actually listened to him on Tim Ferriss. I forgot about that. I remember he did talk about, he talked about his addiction.

Well, you know what I've said? I have like a weird, like, relationship with porn, and I don't watch it as much as I used to, but the reason being is like, I think the porn plays a place, and I think it's great for people, but I think some people, like anything else, like alcohol or drugs or you can, you can overdo anything. And if you're not having also real life experiences as like a young man or woman, like, then maybe it's problematic. But if you're using it to enhance and also like living in the real world with the rest of us,

then I think it's a great thing. Yeah, right. But like don't project your stuff on everybody else. A hundred percent. Like, why can't everyone just be different? Yeah. I actually had, it was interesting, I did a book signing in New York. And I had a wonderful couple come up to me and say that their marriage was enhanced by our,

by what we do on deeper because she didn't like traditional porn like he liked or like, you know, it. So he like said, well, look at this stuff. This is, this is different. This is, you know, higher quality or whatever. And she watched it and she says it's the best thing that happened for their relationship because now they can watch these movies and like, it's a, I mean, it's sexy. Yeah. Like it enhances the sex. Yes. That's what they, yeah, and it was so nice. That was like the nicest thing people could say. You mentioned white chicks. I forgot about that. I have to ask you about that. What was that experience like? It was so iconic. It was so iconic. And it was actually an overall great experience.

It was like I felt like it was going to wait a college because, you know, it was the first time I was like I was out of the country. Like, oh, I had been out of the country, but like all my own to Vancouver living there for like five months or whatever it was. And it was such a big female cast. And then, you know, the Wayans brothers, they're hilarious. But we all lived in this one place and it was like this hotel that had like apartments and stuff. So it was like these dorm rooms and stuff. So it was interesting. And yeah, at the time with the Terry Cruz thing, he didn't, I didn't even think about that kind of stuff because I was still, you know, pretty much a good girl, even though I was starting to be. And on that, when I was there, I started to explore a little bit more. I had a few little flings, you know, that got me like thinking, really thinking about stuff. And so I think that was, that actually being a way there, I think catapulted a little some stuff in me that maybe I suppressed a little more later, but I, it,

It was there still. It was that seeds were planted. I bet that was a really fun movie to film. It was fun. Oh, my gosh. They are so hilarious. Although it was weird because the first month we didn't do anything. So we all just hung out because the Williams brothers had to get their prosthetics done.

Right. And it was my face and And Dudex face. But they had to get them right. So they had to keep doing test over test. So we were just hanging out. Wasn't it weird to see your face? It was weird. And it was funny because on Halloween, we were doing it during the fall and stuff.

I was like, oh, look it. He's, you know, he's me for Halloween. That's got to be weird. Almost like an identity crisis to see that. It is, although they didn't look exactly like me. No, they didn't look exactly like you. Nice try, but it wasn't exactly. No, they looked a little different.

A little rough around the edges, but that was a great movie. Yeah, it was really funny. And they've always been trying to get a second one going. I think there was trouble with, I don't know in the beginning. I really don't know the details of it, but I, you know, I think the somebody said that they had the original idea or so it's there was problems so it we need a part two i know and they keep talking about it i know marlin like really wants to do the part too he really wants to do it that would be so it would be great everyone so sensitive now though i don't know if that movie gets made anymore

that's true that is a point yes oh yeah i forgot about that everyone is so sensitive that's true that is a point i think we're gonna asking in the ambience i think we're gonna swing the pendulum though i feel like we're going to swing with the sensitivity i think we've gone everyone's gone so yeah and kind of get to the middle more it sounds all I was reading some of the stuff on the press about you. It sounds like, you know, some of the things you have issue with other people is like the lack of acknowledgement of what porn can do, right? So like I saw like even the Kim K tape or the Paris Hilton, like you were critical on them,

you know, kind of sweeping that aside saying like this was a mistake or like they didn't want this to happen because there's a lack of acknowledgement of what that then did for their careers. Oh, it made their, yeah, it made their careers, especially Kim. And so yeah, and they just want to act like, oh, no, it didn't happen. but I mean, recently. It sounds like it's more planned than it. It was way planned. Yeah. I was, yeah, they verified it recently or whatever with that saying that she had to do like two takes or whatever.

So yeah, I really think that people like want to use, especially mainstream celebrities. And I think the porn industry is very wary of mainstream. And that's why when I came in, they were like, what is she up to? They want to use porn for a launch pad and then they want to keep pulling down. I don't like it. I don't want to. And that's what I was saying about Lana Roads, too. And that's really, you know. So it hurts people that are taking this profession seriously and putting the time in.

And then you have these mainstream people that come in. They use it. And then they kind of like diminish it. Yes. And I hope that I, well, I think that I become like an advocate to say, hey, I'm mainstream. I love porn. I have a great time. You know, and I'm, you know, an interesting piece of advice that I was given by, well, a friend of mine.

He said, don't ever say you're not mainstream. Don't ever say that. Don't ever diminish that. You're just, don't say porn mainstream, you're just an actress and you're playing a role right now. That's how I think of you. I think of you as an actress. I mean, you're playing a role. It's just, it's just has sex in it. Right. But it sounds like in a way, like some of these characters know that Hollywood will kind of shun them if they embrace this culture. And so the way they kind of navigated is like, they're like, oops, that was a mistake, even though it wasn't because they don't want to get shut out of Hollywood.

Right. You know, all of the other people are calling. But you should feel really good because you're a pioneer and you're opening doors for other people. people who are maybe actresses in Hollywood that want to get into the porn industry. Like, this is a unique story that I think hopefully will be more normalized because of people like you. I hope so. I hope I was the first person to like kick the door down all the way because without having like a sex tape or whatever. Because yeah, I've been in, I've been at Vixen and deeper for three years now. So it's not like I just walked in and, you know, left or anything like that. And you're very thought out about the stuff that you do. Don't you only do a couple things a year? I do like, yeah, I do a few

projects a year, but they're lengthy projects, but still, I do the features? Like, somebody asked me, do you do like two scenes a day and stuff? I was like, what? I do like 10 a year. Like, and but then I do a lot of acting pieces in the projects, too. So it's a different kind of thing. But yeah, I'm very, very picky about what I do. Yeah, and I'm lucky deeper and Vixen like really present me with the best stuff. You have to give us oral sex tips. I just thought we were going to say, you have to give us oral sex. Oh, yeah, you can give us oral sex. We ask every guest. Yeah, give us a little sex. That's how we end every show.

You know what? There's a couple things. There's one where you like lift the, you kind of like get the clit and you have to, in a certain place at the top. You like, you flick that tongue and then you like, it's, I can't even do the flick right now. It's like a flick, look, look. And then, you know, just let me be a circle or whatever. And also flatten your tongue. Flatten the tongue.

Flat in the tongue. Flaten it. Don't lizard out your tongue and point it. No, don't lizard. And then flat. So you got to be like really in there. you know what men you know I

different I find well everybody everybody likes different stuff but I am really a slobbery kind of girl so I like to get Taylor he told me the other night

he loves a slobby blowjob everybody loves a slur you got a deep throat it for a slobber because you get that slobber going like you know everybody loves a slop he told me to hawk a luggie on your penis well I don't know about like

let's see let's see what happens hawk a lugie okay do it that's a tip but I think really a tips are to listen to each other because everybody's different. I mean, I had a guy who said, oh, he's amazing. But he asked me to bite his dick as hard as possible. Oh, God.

Over and over. What if you accidentally bit it off, though? Oh, he has a big dick. I don't think I get my teeth through that. Taylor, it's not like his toothpeck. The rain above it. No, but I mean, no, seriously, you like that. And some people like to, like, smash their balls or squeeze them really hard.

You like a good squeeze. Yeah, but not smash. Maybe a squeeze. Not a smash. Yeah, no, I don't mean just like squeeze. I mean, like, eh. Taylor, do you like a squeeze? Fuck no.

You don't like a squeeze, but you like a great slobry. You told me, are you the one that told me to act like I'm coming out of an oasis? No, I think that was Westin, no, but I definitely like the slobbery stuff, but definitely, as far as like,

what is it? Isn't there, there's a term for that sort of thing? It's, what is it? I don't even know, I remember here, someone where there's, there's guys who like women

to get dressed up in high heels and then crush their testicles. Oh, that, yeah, they are, that is. I have not participated in that, but that's a very fetishy kind of thing, though. They like to crush it? Well, how does that, does that not puncture

the ball? I don't, I've never done that. I've never done the deep guy research on that. I've only bit the dick and really squeezed it. Yeah, there are things like that. They really like, like, real punishment kind of stuff. And you know, guys are the ones who want to be the most submissive for, for like, dominatrixes.

When you're doing dominatrix scenes, are you dressed up with the whip and like, is there like a whole like production behind the dominatrix of it all? I've definitely worn like very dominatrix type. I'm not a dominatrix where I like fully go into that. I'm more a mistress a lot of times where I'm just very intense and controlling of the situation. Like I had a great scene where I went into a sex addicts anonymous meeting on Christmas Eve.

And I said, hey, I want that guy to give up his, his, you know, not having sex. So I got him in there. And after the meeting, we, like, bucked on the folding chairs and stuff. So I dominate your head. That's creative. Yeah, it was great. It was great. When I was little, I want to say, like, not little, but, like, maybe, like, 13.

I read How to Make Love Like a Porn Star by Jenna Jamison. Oh, yeah. Is there someone like that that you were influenced by when you were dipping your toe in the industry? Is there anyone you look to, like, that's a role model that you think's done it right? You know what? Well, Caden Cross, who has been, she's the founder and my director and writer at Deeper. I stalked your Instagram and I saw she's the blonde. Yes.

She's also, she's also does the business side of something, right? Yes. She's like, yeah, she's like the Vixen person. She's beautiful. Yeah, she's beautiful. She was a major performer for many, many years. And I actually just, I didn't even know who she was at the time, but I fell upon watching a Vixen project before I was in porn.

I think I was doing content at the time. Maybe I forget what time it was exactly. But I saw this film and I was like, wow, this is the kind of stuff that I really would like to do if I did professional porn. And I found out later that she directed it. And so we were always kind of, you know, on parallel paths, I guess, until we intersected finally. You said it at a Starbucks. Yes. It would start. Well, I had done a scene for Vickson for blacked.com. That was my first big scene. And I didn't know at first if I wanted to do professional porn, like to do it that big. But I did. And it like literally broke the internet. Like I didn't even announce it to the press or

anything. It was a viral kind of thing. I meant break the internet by actually their site was down for a while. And it broke so much traffic. Yeah, so much traffic. And they broke all records and everything. But that happened on a Saturday. And on that same Saturday, Caden Cross, who had just brought her brand deeper to the Vixen. Vixen owns all of the brands. Like they're kind of like the mother company. She had just brought her brand deeper just four months ago. And she was doing her first big feature. They were putting a lot into this big first full-length feature because they hadn't really done that, like in that way before. She lost her co-star

lead, her lead actress that day. And yeah, it was because, well, I won't go, I say a little bit more in the book about how she lost her. So Monday morning she thought the project would we can because she was on a deadline to get it because there's an award season deadline where you have to have it out by a certain time.

So they were on a big deadline because she had just started with the company and everything. So she said, we're going to have to cancel, I think. And they said, no, talk to Maitland. She's an actress. And she's she just broke our site. So that's how she sent me over the script that day. And I was like, whoa, this is such good writing. This is exactly what I want to do. This was the kind of stuff I envisioned. Like to have a full script that's fully acted, directed, you know, with high production value.

So we met at the Starbucks that day. And we like connected and then the rest was history. So yeah, so she's very much a role model for me in this industry. And was the first thing you did with her the most successful or what was the most successful thing you've done out of your whole career when it comes to porn? Well, I think the first thing that we did, Drive, which was the first movie, was successful. Taylor's fingers typing. Go on. Lookup Drive. It, like, beat Bernie Sanders heart attack on the Google searches that day. So I would say that was insane because I actually announced that one to the press because I was so proud of making this full feature that was really good. And I said, you know what, we're going to go to the press. And everybody told me, they're going to

tear you apart. They're going to hate you. You're going to be like just called every name in the book. And I wasn't. People, I had shock headlines, which I expect. And I, like, I love the press. I know what they're doing. But I was never demeaned. I was never called names. I was actually celebrated in articles by like, wow, she's doing this. Congratulations. Or just, I was shocked by it. Everybody was shocked by it. And it just went, it flew viral. It's because it's the kind of piece that, you know, hey, Boy Meets World Actors is now doing porn. That's, it's amazing. So the site just kept like the subscriptions, which it was a new site. So it just the subscriptions were just like going going going.

Yeah, going going for days. And so that was really exciting. And then right after that I signed a contract to be the face of deeper. Good for you. Honestly, your book is so good. Everyone should go get it. Rated X, you guys. How porn liberated me from Hollywood.

It's available on Amazon. I got it on my Kindle. Oh, yes. Where can everyone else find your book? Where can they stock you on Instagram? if they want to watch your porn, where can they get everything? Well, you can get the book pretty much anywhere now, Barnes & Noble. Any, any, it's fun going to the Barnes & Noble and seeing it on the new releases.

And it's funny because I said, I had to buy one copy when it first came out. And I went to the desk or the front desk. And the guy was like, is this you? So it was cute. He said that. Yeah, he recognizes you know, wow. Best day that guy's had to roll. Yeah, he was like, whoa, I'm seeing one like this.

But anyway, yeah, so you can get it anywhere pretty much now. Maitland Ward, M-A-I-T-L-A-N-D, W-A-R-D at Twitter, Instagram. I have a TikTok. I'm not good at TikTok, but I have started one. It's Maitland Talks, T-O-K-S. And do people go to OnlyFans. And OnlyFans. Go to My OnlyFans. I have a huge OnlyFans.

I do tons of stuff for it. I do custom videos, which are the most fun because you can get to me to talk to you and do things for you on the videos and everything. So, yeah, my only fans is OnlyFans.com slash Maitland. Ward. Yeah, and then deeper.com is where my current film with Caden Drift is out and you get to see me do a DP. Okay, we're in. Taylor's in. Wait, if you ever need an extra, I can play a mechanic, a pool boy, a pizza delivery man,

a bellhop, you mention it. To play something. We can humiliate him. Yeah, he likes it. I'm down. You know, there are guys that like that. No, he likes it. You ever need to squeeze someone's balls really hard. Taylor's your guy. Okay. That'll stop you from coming so fast. Yeah, I was going to say that's the complete opposite of Pacher. Thank you so much for coming on. You guys go check out her book, Rated X.

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