The Bossticks - How Indy Blue Kylie Jenner'd The Internet & More Stories From A 22 Year Old Professional

Episode Date: January 7, 2020

#239: On this episode we sit down with Indy Blue to discuss how she hid her pregnancy for 7 months. Indy is a 22 year old writer, entrepreneur, and influencer. We discuss how she came to the decision and what her journey has been like as a soon to be mom. Michael and Lauryn also share some of their advice about the decision to become new parents. To connect with Indy Blue click HERE To connect with Lauryn Evarts click HERE To connect with Michael Bosstick click HERE Read More on The Skinny Confidential HERE For Detailed Show Notes visit TSCPODCAST.COM To Call the Him & Her Hotline call: 1-833-SKINNYS (754-6697) This episode is brought to you by THRIVE MARKET. We use Thrive for our online grocery delivery on a weekly basis and we also now get our wine at Thrive! They provide the highest quality products and ingredients delivered straight to our door with unbeatable prices.  Be sure to grab our deal by going to to https://thrivemarket.com/skinny to select your prefferred memberships package and start saving today! This episode is brought to you by ROOTZ NUTRITION Whether your goal is to start seeing better results in the gym, or just look and feel your best, you are going to love the Rootz Protein Superfood.Packed with protein, greens, electrolytes, and tons of superfoods, it's perfect for adding to your morning smoothie, drinking after exercise, or as a quick and easy meal replacement at any time during the day. Use code SKINNY for 20% off your entire order. This episode is brought to you by SMART SWEETS. If you have a sweet tooth and are looking for a healthy alternative to some of your favorite candy, you have to try SMART SWEETS. To try smart sweets visit www.smartsweets.com and use code Skinny15 at checkout for 15% off your entire order. Produced by Dear Media

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That's smartsweets.com. She's a lifestyle blogger extraordinaire. Fantastic. And he's a serial entrepreneur. A very smart cookie. And now Lauren Everts and Michael Bostic are bringing you alone for the ride. Get ready for some major realness. Welcome to the skinny confidential, him and her.

Ah-ha. You have these hot Instagram models. That's all they are, you know. Same thing every day, like a hot picture at brunch, Hot picture at Friends Pool, whatever. But then the people who show their lives, when you give people access to more than just a pretty face on Instagram, people love it. And it's a double-edged sword because it brings in way more criticism. But to me, that's what's worked. Well, well, well, happy New Year, you guys. We are back with another episode of the Skinny Confidential

him and her show. For those of you who are new to the show, I'm Lauren Everett's, the creator of the skinny confidential. And across from me is my husband who's looking hot in this gene moment. I was going to see what kind of entry you're going to give me. Yes, my name is Michael Bostic. I am a serial entrepreneur and most recently the CEO and co-founder of the Dear Media Podcast Network, which is we got a shitload of shows now, guys. Everybody listening, got to check them out. Today we have Indy Blue on the show. For those of you who don't know Indy Blue, she is major. She is 22 years old. She's a huge influencer. She's an amazing writer. And she's a She is the co-founder of Lonely Ghost, which you've seen me wearing on my Instagram stories.

She was introduced to us by our friends Brano and Wesley. And if you haven't listened to their podcast, that's a must. That's a fun one. We love hanging out with Brano and Wesley because we just shoot the shit and it's supernatural. This podcast is starting to make me feel old. This will be Lauren. We're going into our fourth year. Can you believe it?

Fourth year doing podcasts in March, it'll be number four. I'm sure you're counting. You always are. And we're starting to talk to these young people like India. I'm like, holy shit. We're actually like we're starting to be the old people. I just think it's important that as you evolve as a creator to not only be in your own space. Like, I want to continue to have conversations with all different walks of life.

And that can mean maybe a 22-year-old, an 18-year-old, an 11-year-old, an 11-year-old, or an 80-year-old. Like, I want a big scope. You know what I mean? Yep. So, yeah, there's probably a lot of young people tuning in for the first time listening to this. And listen, I mean, we're getting a little older, but we're not that old. We're still cool. So hang around for us. You are not cool.

You were in bed at 530 last night. Don't listen to her. Hang around with us for a little bit. judge for yourself. We can be cool. We're going to have fun. You know, see what you, see what you think. Come to your own conclusions. Don't listen to my wife. This episode is really fun because Indy just made a huge announcement on her Instagram and it shocked her followers. And I'm going to let her announce it in this podcast if you don't know about it yet. But I thought it would be fun to bring her on the podcast simultaneously as she did this announcement. So you'll have to keep your ears open. And if you're

not following her, definitely check her out on Instagram. Her handle is at Indy Blue underscore. She's fabulous and she's authentic and she's fucking cool. With that, let's welcome Indy Blue to the Skinny Confidential Him and Her show. This is the Skinny Confidential Him and Her. I am so excited because we have Indy in the studio and the people that follow you are loyal. I mean, I went to Instagram to ask them some questions. And there's like, Michael couldn't believe it. There's some indie fanatics out there. It's crazy.

I can't explain it. Shout out to the indie fanatics. I'm sure they're probably going to tune in. I'm a cult leader secretly, I think. That's what it is. Kind of. That's what I'm angling towards. I'm going to put a couple more years in and then I'm going to move out and go on to a hill somewhere and put the gospel out.

How did this cult begin? Like, take us back to where this even started. I always say look. But then I'm like, no, it's not all luck. I think a lot of it's right place, right time. I don't know, man. Utah. I think Utah has a lot to do with it. That's where I'm from.

What's going on out there? Utah's just culty in general. Yeah. Like anything trendy in Utah pops off and the masses just flock and like beat it to death. And I always say I believe that the influencer was born in Utah. You know, before Instagram, before social media, it was blogging, right? I mean, you know, you've been doing this for years. But there's so many mommy bloggers in Utah and that kind of transfer.

for it over. So I think Utah in general just has a huge online scene and I somehow snuck into it. Maybe we've got to move this whole operation to Utah. You guys, it's a thing. I got to get out there. It seems like a thing. But you know what's so interesting to me about you is that you did the opposite of what everyone was doing to become relevant in Utah, which is interesting. What do you mean? Like, I feel like it seems like it's so heavily mommy blogger out there. And you want to totally different direction and still like you've you've just created like this huge following. Yeah. Can you kind of speak on that? I'm, I've just always kind of marched to the beat of my own drum naturally. And so I think, yeah, maybe that has something to do with it. Just the,

I've always done things a little different. My following really kind of started in high school, like the end of high school, Instagram wasn't even really big yet. And actually it was big on Twitter. Like Twitter was my thing because Twitter was big when I was in high school. How old were you at this time? 17. When did you graduate high school? What year? I need to date myself.

2015. Okay, cool. I got like a full, we got a full 10 years on you. All right. So I don't know. Like I was more known for Twitter, which is so funny because you just wouldn't think that. And then no one was really doing anything on Instagram yet. And I was never down with college.

I hated school. I was the worst student. I barely graduated, so I didn't go to college. And at first, I was so insecure about it. I honestly, I took a trip to Hawaii, like a couple months after I graduated, just all alone, like a full-on, like, soul-searching trip. And I've always made videos, too. I think that's important to know.

Like, I have been slacking and a little bit, but that's kind of where I got my start. I'd make videos. And this was, but I'm not a YouTuber. It's hard, it's hard to explain because I kind of, like, have, had that. I've nailed that market early on, but not YouTube. And so I'd make these videos of my trips. And that's the market I kind of like, where those videos live on Instagram? Twitter, Instagram, YouTube, like all the platforms, but it's not something I'm like, I take pride in. I just wasn't doing it for money. I wasn't doing it for put my videos.

I, you know, like I just needed somewhere to put them. And people like to watch it. There's a lot of young people that get it that get insecure about college now because I think the generations before, probably including our generation, put an emphasis on school and emphasis on college, but it's funny sitting in the seat that I sit in. I have a great team here, and I'm sure all of them went to amazing schools, but I can't tell you one, I don't ever look at where somebody graduated from. I was a terrible student too. Yeah. B, C.D. student. Yeah. Never, you know, I studied something completely different. I think before people thought, okay, I need to go to college and I'm going to get this education so I can get this job. But I think in the landscape now, like the internet broke all of those

rules and regulations. It made things possible that weren't. It's very possible for, an 18-year-old kid to get out of school and start making $200,000 a year posting stuff on social. And the generations before, they don't like to hear that, but it's fully true. So why would you go, in my opinion, waste $200,000 in debt when you can get out and start making that money now? I mean, listen, education has a solid place. Self-education, in my opinion, is more important. But it's just not, college does not exist in the same way that it used to. So you shouldn't be insecure about it. Yeah. Oh, I agree 100%. And I think people get confused because I'm like, I'm not telling you to not go to college. Go to college. But,

you don't have to. Especially if your parents will pay for it. Exactly. And that's exactly why I didn't go. My parents weren't going to pay for it. And I was like, well, I just went to college for, or I went to school for 15 years. And now I'm not forced to legally. I'm not going to go. And yeah, I think college is great for some people, but it's not necessary. Well, you said something key. They're like, if your parents are going to pay for it, but I think people should go to college, right? It's a great experience. You can really. I don't necessarily agree with that. Well, listen, if you're parents, no, I think there's two distinctions. If you are an 18-year-old kid and you are thinking about going to an Ivy League or school or school, and you have to pay it and you have to take on hundreds of thousands of dollars in student loans and debt, I don't think that's the move, especially if you want to be an entrepreneur and artist. I don't think school is like, hey, we're going to foot the bill. We want you to go to this great school and you're going to take four years to get some experience and be on your own and learn something. Then, yes, by all means, if you want to go, go. You don't have the burden of debt. But student debt is a real thing. And it's one of the only things outside of taxes that you can't. You know, you get in trouble financially. You can't get out of it, right? There's not like, no going bankrupt and not having to pay your loans.

So you have to pay those loans back. Exactly. And it's just, it's like you said, it's a waste of your time. That's exactly what I mean. Like the money aside. Time. It's your time. Yes.

You get, I can't tell you how many of my friends, you know, dropped out almost all of them. And I'm just like, it's, you could be creating content. Like you said, creating video. Creating content. There's so many things to do. It depends what you want to do. It's a waste of time. Yeah, if you want to be a doctor.

No one's a doctor in this room. Like, is anyone a doctor or a lawyer? If you want to go, there's certain paths. If you want to be an entrepreneur, I agree. I think it's a waste of time. School is not built for entrepreneurs. School is built for people that want to go a certain path and plug into a certain path that's already defined. Well, that's the key.

You've got to know what you want to do. So I think one of the things that makes you stand out too. And Erica from Fashion Lush actually showed me your page. I love her. Yeah, she's awesome. She like thinks what you're doing is so cool. And what she's doing it, by the way, awesome awesome if you guys don't follow her you should she pointed out how authentic you are and i

hate that word but she i think what she meant is like you show all the different facets and all the different angles and you're really up front with your audience do you think that that's really worked for you yeah that's the key people ask and uh and even me and my friend were talking about it last night there's so many influencers especially in l.a like where i used to live and i was kind of in that scene where the with the younger l.a. girl and you have these hot Instagram models who just, that's all they are, you know. Same thing every day, like a hot picture at brunch, hot picture at Friends Pool, whatever. But then the people who show their lives, you know, show their friends.

It's like you. It's why people love Lauren. It's why people love YouTubers. It's why I think when you give people access to just that more than just a pretty, face on Instagram, people love it. And it's a double-edged sword because it brings in way more criticism. When you're just a hot face on Instagram, then it's harder to be criticized than when you're bringing people into your family's life, like your personal beliefs, all this stuff. But to me, that's what's worked. There's a friend of mine that told me a long time ago.

I said if they're not hating on you, you're not doing it right. Yeah, it's true. You've got to have people talking about you. The worst thing about it, the only thing worse than who, Which quote is this? The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about. What the fuck is up with you in quotes lately? If I hear one more quote, my brain is that I've been going down a vortex coach. But it's true. You don't want to just, I think that's vanilla.

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Yeah. I'll like you kind of take it away. It's a vood job. I am pregnant, everyone. I got pregnant as soon as I saw Lauren was pregnant. Just kidding. I'm up on the van wagon. But I was, I did plan on hiding it before I knew you were hiding it.

So we did have that. Great Minds Think alike. Hiding it. It's not easy to hide it. But congratulations, by the way. Thank you. Thank you. I'm so excited.

But yeah, I decided to hide it. How far along? I'm six months. You're six months. And when this comes out, you'll be seven months. Yeah. And just, I just want to say she looks. cute. She's wearing like a black long sleeve dress. Her bump is adorable. Good luck with the next

two months because it's been rough out here for me. You know what you avoided? You avoided seven months of 50 million people jumping in. The pregnancy police? Yes, you did. You avoided all that. I've been avoiding them like the plague. They'll come. Just you wait. Well, that's what I was thinking. I'm like, listen, I can and I, like I said, I'm going to bring it up again. I'm from Utah where it's just everyone knows everyone everyone knows everyone's shit and I knew I was going to be the talk of the town not necessarily in a good way

and I was like I can deal with that for nine months or I can deal with that for two months why not in a good way just religious reasons not even religious reasons just

because you're not married or something yeah yeah so I'm not married and do people really care I literally don't even, you know what's so weird when you just said that? I literally didn't even think about that. Well, that's because you're from here. And or that I, I, why we can't go to Utah. It's why we can't move this operation to Utah. Yeah, this offer. I was joking. I don't think this operation last longer. I think the same thing. And I mean, my parents are the best people on earth, but. Do your parents know? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. And they're so excited. But obviously, this isn't what they would plan for their daughter. And I told them. I was like,

listen, you guys can react in any way you want. I want you guys to process this. I had to preface that, even though personally I'm just like, you know, it's 20-20. People don't have to get married to have babies. That's still how my family thinks. It's still how the majority of my friends back home think. And it's interesting. It's like a sad thing.

I keep forgetting. I'm six months along and I keep forgetting that like it's not exciting news to everyone back home. You know what I mean? Like you're happy because you're having a beautiful baby and it's coming. And there's people. that are going to react and not the most positive. It's not the same reaction that you would get in a traditional sense if you're like a married couple.

Yeah, I mean, my dad even said, you know, we'll have family members come up and be like, you know, like I heard the news. We wish and do the best kind of thing. It's like a mournful thing. Yeah, as if I was married, it'd be like, oh my gosh, congrats, you're going to be a grandpa. Like, you know what I mean?

So it's interesting. Like, I have to keep reminding myself. And obviously, my family's so excited. We've all had, everyone's had so much time to process this. But the marriage thing still gets to people. If I were you and I were in your exact shoes, I would not give that one speck of energy. Yeah. I don't think if anyone's mourning it, that's on them.

It's like, shouldn't have any thing to do with you and your baby. And if you're happy and you're excited, like you should just unapologetically be happy and excited. Yeah. And I'm sure Wesley, who is another person that introduced me to you, would say the same thing. Oh, yeah, 100%. So really quick, just like a side tangent, this is what they said.

I don't know if this is like the actual story, but you showed up on their door. This is Wesleyan Blot. They're two of our favorite people. They get an open invite to the show whenever they want. Yeah. So this was, oh my gosh, like three years ago now. And we've all, like I said,

everyone in Utah knows each other. I kind of, and I was best friends with Bronson's brother throughout high school. And New Wesley because of her blog. I love writing. she's a great writer. So I've always admired her that way. And I think one day I just DM'd her and said, listen, I'm in love with you. And this is weird, but I know we need to be friends. And like two weeks later, I was in California and had nowhere to stay. They were so sweet. Let us

stay at their house. And I'm not kidding. Like we've been best friends ever since. Okay. So what advice has Wesley and Brano given you with pregnancy? Because they have three kids and they started, I think, at 19 or 21. They've come on here twice and basically they've given us, like, we get the advice from them too. We need to get coaching. They're the best parents. Well, I honestly, the way we always say we're yin and yang, we're creative, creatively, we're the, like, perfect halves of each other.

And we did, I mean, we can talk about this later, but Bronson and I started a brand together. And it's like, I'm equal parts Wesley and equal parts Bronson in the sense where we just, it's just an interesting relationship. Like Bronson's my best friend and Wesley's my like soulmate. And we've always said, they've always said it too. Like, we don't know why you came into our life. And I've said the same thing. Like, I don't know what this is.

And I feel there's a lot of reasons, but for sure I feel like this is one of the reasons. I have had like a mentor in this pregnancy. Like Wesley was the first person I told aside for my boyfriend. I called her. I was crying. And she just said, are you pregnant? And I was like, yes. I didn't even have to say anything.

But she, yeah, she went through this whole thing too. She went through this whole thing in the same hometown as I did with the same voices talking. And it honestly, just throughout this whole process, it's helped. I feel like this is definitely one of the reasons we came into each other's lives. They're great. They're the best parents ever, you guys know. The best. And they just, they parents.

differently. Those children hit the genetic lottery. Oh my God. I know, right? I mean, stunning children. Like, oh my gosh. Do you get scared you're going to have an ugly baby? I have so many weird anxieties. Yeah. And then I'm like looking at the ultrasound and I'm like, I hope she has my nose because, you know, baby, I love your nose, but like, you know. I hope to God my baby doesn't get my nose. I had a nose job. Your nose looks great. Thank you. I paid a lot for it. Oh, looks great. Take it in. I'm taking it.

in. It looks good. It doesn't look like a nose job. It just looks like a perfect nose. I'll show you before. You know what? Did you do that on social media in front of everyone? Yeah. And how was that? How was the judgment? No, zero judgment. Love it. But that's the thing. I mean... You've cultivated that community though. It's like it goes back to what we're talking about. Just, I feel like when you're just open and real, yeah, it does open the door for criticism, but people respect it more. You know? I'm all about it. I mean, I don't understand how you can just be so surface and think that it's a long game. Yeah.

When you're talking about the brunch and the influence, like, how is that going to have any longevity? There's no longevity. I always find it interesting looking at traditional celebrities. And there's certain people, you know, that I've had very vanilla careers and I won't call them out. But just, you know, you can picture these type of traditional celebrities of vanilla careers that you're newscastling. And then you say a word like, I don't know, like, whore or slut or something like that. and the world attacks you and says like, oh my God, you're the worst person and we're banning you. And then you think about people like Howard Stern on the other end that says like the most out there

shit ever, but he's done it his whole career just as authentically as himself. And people love it. Like they embrace him for it. And I always find that interesting is like two people could say the exact same thing, but it depends on how, like who says it and who's delivering it and how it's received. So it's like if you've done this curated lifestyle, and I make a point. If you've built this curated brand and this curated lifestyle and then you go outside of that curation, people are going to slap you for it.

Whereas if you just start authentically as who you are, people are going to embrace it. People should understand that because when they go to build something, that's the only thing that's sustainable through a long period of time. Yeah, no, exactly. I think it's fucking cool too how like every, it sounds like everyone, not everyone, but it sounds like there's a lot of people that are judgey from where you're from. And you want the complete other way. And that's worked really well. Yeah. I think, I think it's just my personality.

I've luckily had a thick skin. I don't really care. you know why do you think your engagement so high this is a question that a lot of people asked really yeah a lot of people asked about your conversion and engagement oh my gosh i think when you're not like um genetically blessed with like you know that perfect instagram hot face you have to develop a personality i learned that early on in life that's a life hack pretty perfect it's it's looking good you have i was like in high school i my best friend what her nickname was Megan Fox.

Everyone called her Megan Fox because she looked like Megan Fox. And I was known as the funny friend. The funny friend is good. That's a good. Oh, the funny friend is the best. I'm down for the funny friend. I wasn't at first until she would get so upset. Because, you know, you can get a nose job.

Hi, I did. You can get hair extensions. You can get hot. You can't really learn to be funny. You know what I mean? Listen, you can't. The looks are good. When you're young, a lot of people love the.

vanity thing, but as you get older, you need a personality. I don't want to be talking to a wall. What's your favorite Frank Sinatra quotes? Now you want to get a quote. You say, if you go on a date with a beautiful woman, it shouldn't just be a staring contest. Like, they should have something to say. That's for men too, right? I think men and women, like people should, you know, you don't want to just sit there and look at each other. It gets boring up the wall. It gets boring. And I think that, I mean, it just ties back into what we've been talking about online personalities. People like that. I think people want more too. I think the audience expects more now. People are so hungry for more because it's been so it's been the same it's been the same for so many years and i think

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And be sure to get the toasted honeyos. All right, back to Indy. So you've been really open on your blog about your boyfriend. Mm-hmm. Like, do you have anxiety now that, like, you guys are coming out? You're saying you're pregnant and people, like, judging on the path that, like, they've watched your story. Like, they're going to come out and, like, start saying stuff? Oh, 100%.

I mean, that's another reason why I've been hiding it. I made a post basically saying, like, detailing this, like, toxic, really, I've been in and then what three months later I'm pregnant. And do you still consider the relationship toxic or has it gotten better? Oh my God. This and this is the thing like I would never be as like immature to give this advice like have a baby. You know, I'm smart enough to know like having a baby is not going to fix your problems. And I mean I'm I'm fully aware of like how hard it's going to be.

but this baby saved us. And it's been, we really got our shit together. And it's been bliss. We don't fight. We're so in love. He's been helpful through the process. Oh, my, he's been an angel. And the thing is, is we've, when I say it was a toxic relationship.

So this is my high school sweetheart. We dated since I was 16 years old. And then we broke up for a few years and have always, just never been able to leave each other alone. It's been one of those. And that's why I say it's been toxic in a sense where we were too invested in each other. You know, when you become, when your identities become each other, it's so unhealthy. And that's where we were for so many years. I was all over the world traveling like crazy. We can't do long distance. And that's what we've figured out. And since I've gotten pregnant and we've moved in together, we realized that was the key

all along. It's been perfect. And I was like, oh, man, if we would have moved in three years ago, we could have avoided all that heartbreak. I also think it's fine to point out. Like, I don't know where people think that a relationship is always bliss. Like, there's been ups and downs in our relationship. No, you've been a nightmare sometimes. Like, I could write a book on that. Well, you guys have known each other forever, too. Yeah, there's, it's, like, there are going to be toxic, maybe things that are not going right in your relationship. That's just part of the game. Like, how fucking boring would it be if it was just amazing all the time? Well, and the thing is that I've realized is that, so in Utah, the norm is right, you go to school, you graduate, the boys will go on these missions, like to your missions for the church, and then you get married.

Girls usually go to college until they get married. And that's what I was planning on doing. That's what I was excited about doing. and I just think now, like, if you asked, or if you told my, like, 17-year-old self, hey, listen, in five years, you're going to be pregnant with Jackson's baby. I'd be like, well, yeah, that's, yeah, of course. I just didn't realize what would happen in the middle. So I'm exactly where I thought I would be five years ago.

But all that middle, the five years that happened in between, I had no idea. But I'm so thankful because if I would have married him right out of high school, like I was expected to by, you know, the societal pressures for my conservative hometown, I'd be so miserable right now. And I think as messy as it was, we had to figure ourselves out on our own before we could like make it work together. And now that we've had five years to kind of like completely do our own thing. You have to be selfish to be selfless in a relationship. You have to be, You have to go inward a little bit before you can be effective with other people. Yeah. And so now because we gave each other that space and that time, it is bliss for a little while.

I know it's going to get crazy in about three months, but this pregnancy and just we've like got, we like 100% like re-fell in love. It's been great. Space is a good thing. Lauren and I, you know, we've known each other like you said for a very long time. We took a lot of space for a long time. For a long time. Other people, other space, far distance, different states. You wouldn't leave me alone. You were like a hemorrhoid. You kept coming back. I remember the other one.

Interesting. Yeah. No, you were, you were popping up everywhere. I'm persistent, you know. Yeah, persistent. But still, it's important because I think if we just stayed together the entire time, there's no, there's no way. You wouldn't grow. Right. Right. I will say, though, this is interesting that you're saying this. You have been nicer to me since I got pregnant. Well, I'll tell you why. Yeah, explain why. Because you're like, like, all of a sudden, you used to get mad when I called you in the mornings to come downstairs. The level, at least me personally, and maybe you're in a boyfriend and probably a lot of other men feel this way. Like, it's not only am I protective now of my wife, but they're unprotective of the child that's in my wife's belly, right? And so I want, and I want her to be comfortable and not stress.

And I got there's like, there's like people come like, people come close to her around. It's like, be careful there, buddy. I might, you know. And today we were driving. I got this huge road rage because this guy drove too fast by us. But it's just like you get protective. It's an instinctual thing. It's like an evolutionary thing.

So I just wanted to be comfortable and helpful. That's sweet, Michael. If the guy's being helpful. Okay, but are you going to continue this nice streak? If I could coach your boyfriend, because I'm allowed to. I think I could do this because I'm 10 years older. And I usually don't get a good. Yes, give him advice.

I have people coaching me on this show. But I could say he's got to treat you extremely nice all the time. If you're ever a little bit stressed, he's got to make sure that he helps you out, doesn't let you get stress at all, does all your chores for you, picks up all your stuff, doesn't let you lift heavy things, all those things. Get your food. It seems like he's doing that. He is. Yeah. I could not be more.

He really stools. So, okay, what's the strategy behind this announcement? Like, when are you going to announce? Give us, give us the behind the scenes because at this point, your Instagram is already up announcing it. What's, what, what are you expecting? I am expecting people to freak out. Positive, negative? I don't know. I've kind of always had the idea that it's going to be very positive. But as it's getting closer, I'm just like, oh, shit. Like, I forget how mean the internet is. Everyone will be positive. Well, and the, the, the, people are finding out. So, The rumors are going around, and I will get comments every now and then on my page.

Like, I know you're pregnant. Yeah. Yeah. And you get the DMs? The DMs. And I, I think it's so rude. It's invasive. It's so invasive.

I'm like, talk about it with your friends, gossip all you want, send it in your group chats. But like, this is my, this is the biggest thing that's ever happened to me. Like, let me, obviously I'm not ready to announce, you know. I'll give you guys the devil's advocate, though. Both of you have put yourself out on a public platform. Right? It's like when, you know, when Kylie Jenner was hiding her pregnancy, I'm sure everybody's whispering and talking and even probably you learn with your friends, it gets you pregnant. So it's like it kind of comes with the territory. It does. It does. And that's what I've been trying to remind myself. But at the end of the day, get busy. I call it the Drusella and Anastasia thing. You remember the stepsisters from Cinderella. Yeah. It's like they're like Dracella and Anastasia gossiping to each other. Like keep your Drusela and Anastasia away from me. Yes. You know? Like let me live. I just want to be Cinderella. Yeah. I mean, people are going to talk. It's inevitable. But I just think if I think if anyone's negative about you being pregnant, like that's on them. That's their own thing. You know what I mean? Like, sucks for them. Sucks for them. What are some things that you're doing during pregnancy to stay healthy? Oh, that was the wrong question. Why? You look so good. I have not worked out once. That's okay. But like eating vitamins, what are you doing? So I've actually been so, I've had a rough pregnancy. I've been really sick. Like, now I'm hitting the spot where I crave everything.

What are you craving? You want to know when I'm craving? Roll chicken tacos from Taco Bell. Fuck, now you're going to make me crave off. No, no, no, you guys don't understand the other night because they're seasonal. They sell them like once a year. Really? Yeah, they're so good.

And I made my boyfriend. I was like midnight. I made him go get me some. And I finished it in like five minutes. And then I was like, babe, how mad would you be? I made you go get some more. And he went back and got me more. This is this is going to be his life for a long time.

All I do is make you go get me a gender snap cookie from upstairs. I need to get more evil. You need to make him go to talk about three times in the middle of the night. Those actually sound good. They don't have postmates out there? See, listen, I got to give him some hacks. No, no, no, no, no, no. Make him go do it.

This is like suburban Utah, Michael. No postmates. We don't have. I mean, I think postmates, but this is like, DoorDash, Uber Eats. The late hours of the night. I needed him to go out. You needed it then and now. Vitamins, water, like, any other things you're doing to stay healthy.

Or are you just, like, letting it, like, you know, sometimes I just let it hang out. Well, the thing with pregnancy is there's so many rules, right? So many rules. And I'm always like, which ones are, like, the real I need to stick to this rule and which one can I, like, you know, dance the line. I've broken so many of the rules. I have cheese. Like, you're not supposed to have cheese. I've had cheese in all pregnancy.

Have cheese? No, you're not supposed to have like, I don't even know what kind of cheese. All the, like, raw cheese. I have raw cheese. See, this is news to me. I have raw juice every day. Um, you're not supposed to have paste juice. Michael doesn't even know this. Flash, I don't know what it's called. But you're not supposed to have some kind of juice. I have the juice I'm not supposed to have every day. I have, um, prosciutto. Because people are pregnant and then go on like the dusty trail. This is what I say. This is what I say. And get attacked by different people and animals. Like they're okay. It's going to be, if you have a green juice, you're going to be fine. People have been having babies for thousands of years. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I I'm going to be fine if I have some deli meat. Listen, I'm going to get trouble with this. There's a lot of fucking wacky people out there. It's like, calm down. It'll be people. We survived attacks and blizzards and living in tents and living, you know, it's going to be okay. I realized I forgot to ask you how you found out you were pregnant.

Oh, that's a good story. Before we get into that with Indy, let's talk about my favorite candy, smart sweets. This is packed in my labor bag because here's the deal. I heard that you can't eat during labor, but you're allowed to suck on stuff. Michael don't get excited. I will be sucking on the peatrings or the sourblast buddies during my my labor, I think. I definitely think this is very strategic because it's no added sugar, no artificial colors or artificial flavors, and it's full of fiber. So maybe I won't be like starving like everyone says they are. Bring in the sourblast buddies too. Yeah, well, you're going to be so

hypoglycemic. I might need a couple of sourboss buddies. My jula told me that guys get really hypoglycemic during labor. So I will do. definitely have some gummy bears and sourbloss. It's important that you think about me during this process too long. Of course. Yeah, you're going to make it about you. So this candy, guys, it's filled with fiber, like I said. And that's amazing because fiber is really hard to get in.

And when you just have it in the candy, I feel like you're having some candy, you're being nostalgic, and you're getting your fiber in. So this company was founded by a young female founder. You know, I love a hustle. She dropped out of college to innovate candy. She's 25 years old. The packaging is beautiful for Instagram. and like I said, they have all the nostalgic flavors,

gummy bears, peatrings, sourblast buddies, and sweetfish, but without all the added shit. We've got to get her on the show. Yes, we definitely do. Lower sugar and calories than traditional candy. This is very skinny confidential-esque. It's been all over the blog. It's been all over my stories.

And now it's all over the podcast. All you have to do is use Code Skinny 15 for 15% off your order of $30 or more on smartsweets.com. They ship to the continental USA and Canada. grab these if you like to go to the movies. You want to have like a hot date, maybe in bed, watching curb your enthusiasm, or if you're going into labor. And with that, let's get back to Indy's episode. So I was, I mean, it was this summer. I was in Africa. No, no, no, I was in Costa Rica. But in Africa, I had missed my period. And my periods are very like clockwork, whatever. And I'm around all these precious little African.

babies and I'm starting to think, hmm. And I texted my boyfriend and I, I'm the girl who like before. What were you doing in Africa? I was, it was a humanitarian trip. Okay. So, but before I was even sexually active, you know, I would, my period would be a date late and I would be like, I'm pregnant. You know, like, I'm the Virgin Mary. That was an immaculate conception. And that's how I've been my whole life. And so I think my boyfriend was just so sick of it. He's like, baby, you're fine. And I was like, yeah, you're right. Like, this happens every month. So then I flew straight to Costa Rica to, I was on another trip with a bunch of people. And it was another humanitarian trip. So we were doing a lot of service. And I just kept, I swear the universe was telling me, like every Instagram ad was a

pregnancy test. I just babies everywhere, babies everywhere. And I just, I told my friend, I'm like, let's go get a test. But it was a joke at first. I thought there was no way in hell I could have been pregnant. And so we were in the, we're in the middle of Costa Rica looking for pregnancy tests. Like, no one speaks English. We're like, it's a game. We're just having fun. You know, she's saying, what if you were? I'm like, yeah, that'd be crazy. You know what I mean? There was no thought in my mind that I could be. It was just kind of like we were bored and needed something to do. So we go get a pregnancy test. And it was to the point where she asked me the cashier, or I'm paying for it. And I thought, oh, I should probably get a couple. You know, they tell you to take a couple.

But I thought, that's just a waste of money because I'm not pregnant. So I just got one. And then I went and took it and forgot about it. And I love to document everything. You know, I don't understand about you. and Lauren? How can you, Lauren did the same thing. She gets this. Yes, I heard your story. If I thought I was pregnant, I would not, I would be like studying this thing with a microscope. No, I'm not, I'm not anal like you.

I'm just super laid back. Well, I usually would be, but I didn't think I was pregnant. I thought there was no way. And that's the other things. People are like, well, did you film your reaction? Which is such a me thing to do because I film everything. I film everything. Like, I'm totally like a home video hoarder.

And that's totally something. I'd want to have on film, like me reacting to finding out I'm pregnant. But I didn't think for a single second that it was possible. So, and I just looked at it. And I was like, holy shit. And I just... And how many weeks were you at this point? Four? Oh, literally like four weeks. So, like, I was bungee jumping in Africa. I was, you know, blacking out in Greece. Like, I, it was a wild time in my life. And that's all it went through my head. I was like, I hope this baby's okay. That's what everyone says, no.

Everyone says that they didn't know and they were blacked out in Mexico. And so that made me feel better when I was pregnant. Oh, it made me feel better too. I'll tell you guys this. You're not the first two women that didn't realize you were pregnant right away. So it's going to be okay, right? I mean, I still wouldn't have even known I was pregnant right now. Michael, I like literally wouldn't have known I was pregnant for six months.

I want to say this in a very kind way. But if you were, if you were growing like this and you didn't know you were pregnant, I would say we would have a conversation. I took a pregnancy test like by fluke. I hadn't like I didn't even like I didn't think oh I didn't get my period. I didn't think any of that. Yeah, that's crazy. She took that one with the little lines.

That one's fucked up. That's what you saw. The lines. Fuck the lines. Fuck the lines. Don't do the lines. You need that digital one. You need the digital one.

I was in Costa Rica though, you guys. I sat with Google translate for like an hour. I'm like, no, no. This is wrong. And I'm Google translating the instructions. Because I'm like, maybe here it's different. I was like there's no. way. I was in pure shock, not crying, not anything. Like, I could barely get words out. And then

it just like all hit me at once. That's exactly how I thought. And then I fucking waited three days I can't believe you waited. Yeah. I had to wait. I needed like, I needed to really think about it. And we went down to Mexico and we were at our friend's wedding. And I was down there having a good time buying everyone drinks at the bar and having a shot. And you're like, fracking my tits around when they're swollen. I was like, we're down here to party. I was like, we're down here to party. You know, let's get after it. And she was just being a downer. And then the next day she told me in, I was like, oh, shit.

Yeah, I was being a downer when you fucking take me to Mexico and I can't have tequila shots. And like, oh, that was the hardest part. So I'm in Costa Rica. And this trip, it was a trip where I was like hosting a trip. So everyone on the trip were my followers. So it's first night. And I'm like, I got to go home. And then I'm like, all these people came out to like hang out with me in Costa Rica.

I can't wait. I think I'm most excited for them to hear this announcement so they know I'm not a bitch. It was just like the biggest shock of my life and I'm in a foreign country. I was like hauled up in my room all night while everyone's out partying at bars and I was just like. We went through that same thing. We had friends that we were avoiding and like saying no to and we were. And after that wedding we were like super downers because she couldn't. Yeah, I got to defend you too to everyone that was on that trip.

Like it's a lot to take in. Oh yeah. It's a lot. Especially at the beginning. Yeah. Dude. It's heavy. Yeah.

Questions from your followers, okay? Yeah, let's get into it. Your favorite place to travel, because you've been everywhere. I think I would say Dubai. Have you guys been there? Never been. Yeah, it's sick. It's like another planet, honestly.

Dubai, I love Dubai, I love Italy. Could go to Italy. Did you like Africa? Yeah. I went to Zambia. I want to go to Africa. Zambia's amazing. I've always wanted to go to South Africa.

But, yeah, that's probably... Top place, though, is Dubai. Dubai is so fun. Okay. You need to book a trip to Dubai. You guys would love it. Caroline Stamberry, take me to Dubai. Yeah.

A lot of questions about your hair. Everyone wants to know about your hair extensions. Yes. Hair by Chrissy. Okay. I'll plug her. She's the best. I just have a shit ton of hair.

But I also have. Looks real. I have extensions. Yeah. And is there anything special that you do to your hair? There's nothing special, guys. That's what you learn about me. You don't sleep on it weird.

You don't. It's just, is there curls in it right now? No. No. Oh. Just get hair extensions. That's my secret. Okay, but here's my thing with hair extensions.

I do the clip-ins because I don't have hair extensions in right now, but I feel like when I have, do you have tapins? No, they're sewn. Okay, when I have sewn or tapins in, it gets all ratty like a rat's nest. So I guess I maybe need to brush them more. See, I'm just a lot more low maintenance. Like I get the spray tans, eyelash extensions, hair extensions, so I don't have to spend a lot of time getting ready in the morning. Right. Because I'm not good at it and I'm lazy.

So that's like my little life hack, but... Maybe I need eyelash extensions. Have you ever had them? I had them once. I don't even have them on right now. These are strips, but they're... That's my go-to. Okay.

I lash extensions. I couldn't give them up. Sown in extensions in the hair and a spray tan. Yeah. Okay. A lot of questions, too, about skin. Any skin things that you do? Lauren, I'm the worst person to have on your podcast because no.

I like that. That's okay. I don't. honest about that. But you know what? I have, I bought Elimus. Is that what it's called? It's amazing. Because of you. The bomb. I've been rubbing it on my belly. Yeah. Oh, the Japanese oil. Yes, the Japanese oil. I don't know. Low maintenance. I'm very low maintenance. I was, my friend was doing my eyebrows a couple months ago and she was like, your face is so dry. Like, what do you wash your face with? And I was like, water. And she was like, oh my gosh, she almost died. And so she, she's like, you need to get a skincare routine. But a lot of it.

though it's good that you're young right now and I've talked to these doctors now Lauren I'm telling you and you don't want to strip your skin down too much at this age Are you fucking carrying it right now? Michael I agree with you. We had Dr. Lanser on the show yesterday and he was listen less is more sometimes. Okay thank you Michael. You know nothing about skin. I know I've had a lot of skincare conversations. All right. He's in my he was using a Lamer I was saying the other day slapping it on his knees using it as a foot cream masturbating with it. Who the fuck knows what you were doing with my Limer? Don't you worry about it.

A lot of people want to do what you do and they want you to explain what you do for work. And I know how much goes into content creation so maybe you can explain. Well, it's interesting because I think a lot of people are confused what I do for work. For a while, it was, I've filmed weddings, which I need to make that clear

because people still have this idea that I'm like a trust fund baby and I'm really not. I just, nothing wrong with trust fund babies. They're great. send them over to me. But I really did just, I filmed weddings when I was like 17 years old. That's how I afford to travel. Traveled for a while. Then I started doing more like online. I did some workshops, sold presets. That's where the money is, you guys. Make some presets.

Sell presets. And then earlier this year started a clothing brand, Lonely Ghost, which has been like my baby this year. And so I heard that the sales are gnarly. Brano came on and told us like it's just crushing. Gangbusters. It's crushing. And it's because I have the best little gang of customers and followers. I'm really lucky. I'm like, my goal for this next year is to kind of like expand our audience, you know.

So it's not just like my followers. But oh my gosh, it's been amazing. I'm obsessed with Lonely Ghost. I have the oversized sweater, which is so great for pregnancy. That's where I would start, you guys. It's like this huge black, really comfortable sweater. It's very chic. You can wear it under a leather jacket.

You can wear it under a trench. Or you can just wear it with an over-the-knee boot. But I've been wearing it like my whole pregnancy. So I love it. Really? Yeah, I really like it. But you have like really unique sayings on it. It's not like you guys just white-labeled it.

You really were strategic about how you gave it to your fault. Or it's like, even the mask that you have, like, it seems like you listen to the consumer and then created the product. Yeah. No, that's definitely like what we talked about before. I told him, I told Bronson, I said, I don't want to make things. I don't want to make anything that I'm not going to wear. You know, which I think is hard when you get into that industry that, you know, you want to make what's going to sell. But I was like, I'd rather just make shit that I'm going to wear. and then because my followers, they like what I wear. I'll give you two pieces of vice. Here we go. Here we go.

I want it. Lay it on me. He can't help it. One, I know you want to expand outside of your existing following, which is great, and that'll happen organically, but I would say spend 99% of your time on the following you already have and the customers you already have listening to them and what they want. Those are the people that are actually going to go and spread the word more than you can. They're going to tell everybody because they're your diehards.

Those are the people. And if you continue the relationship with them and put them first and everything, you're going to be successful. And number two is don't listen to outside people. It's like retailers, for example. A lot of people want to get into retail stores like Nordstroms, Bloomingdale's, all these places. And as soon as you do, what these stores want is they need multiple skews. And so what they're going to do is they're going to push you as hard as they can for you to just create a bunch of shit that you don't want and that people don't care about just because they need a certain amount of dollars. Don't do that.

So just keep focusing on those people and focus on what you actually want to create and what they. want. That's my biggest piece of advice. He felt left out with the pregnancy advice. So you had to get to some. Hey, I love it. That's great advice. He can't help it. It's true, though, because a lot of young entrepreneurs, they get stuck and like, okay, now I got this. The business is doing this much and I need to go get everybody. And so they start making, they start doing this to try to get people that aren't necessarily their core. And then they start working with outside vendors and partners. And those people, like, they have their own motives of what they need to be successful. And so what they're going to do is they're just going to try to cram you in their box and fit their model.

It's not good for you. It's good for them. So to just keep that in mind. Where should our audience start? Which piece do you think that you would tell them to go look at? So our bestseller is our I Love You Say It Back. I mean, you might have seen it. That's us. Kylie Jennery tweeted a girl wearing it. And on all the comments, we're like, where's this shirt from?

Where's the shirt from? And all these people are like, here, here. And they're making it on the spot like a knockoff. And I'm like, no. I'm like trying to do damage control. No, here, here, here. but that shirt pops off just can people do that if she has a thing we no we we we trademarked it so what happened we sent that smooth seasoned assist baby good good that's

that you guys get that's right that you guys okay where can everyone find you indy blue pimp yourself out tell us the instagram handles the website the works so i'm indy blue underscore we love the underscore i've offered some lady in Thailand $500 to switch up the name that she's not down. So Indy Blue underscore and then YouTube it's Indy Blue. Twitter. Twitter's IndieSev. IndySep and then you also have at LonelyGhost. Yes, lonelyghost.co.com. I am so excited that you came on to announce your pregnancy. I'm excited for our babies to be friends. They'll be friends. They'll be friends. Do you know if you're having a girl or boy? You don't have to tell. It's a boy. Oh, it's a boy. We didn't even say

that. I know. Well, I didn't, I didn't know. I didn't know. that was appropriate to ask because some people want to yeah no yeah it's a boy okay so you're announcing it's a boy too yeah okay so maybe like maybe like there's a romance connection we can we can definitely make that happen okay maybe maybe there's just best friend

I'm gonna have to spend some time with this young man because I'm gonna be very protective oh my god are you oh my god you're the worst oh you got a little smoothie in your teeth we gotta be good anyways thank you for coming on the show it was so calm no he gets mad when I do that right like she always gets me

because I'll get a pepper in the tooth and then she'll call me out. Why didn't you tell me that sooner? No, no, no, because I- I- I waited for the opportune moment at the end of the show to do that because she always does it to me and she puts me on blast. She even puts it on her story. You have a perpetual black pepper in your tooth always. Swish that around a little bit more in your tooth.

Okay, Michael. Thank you. Indie Blue, thank you for coming on the show. Thanks, guys. Wait before you go. Indie Blue has offered to do a giveaway with Lonely Ghost. They have the best oversized black Lonely Ghost sweater that I have worn my entire pregnancy. I got an extra large because I wanted it super big.

And now you can get one too. We are having a giveaway. All you have to do is tell us your favorite episode of this podcast on my latest Instagram at the Skinny Confidential. Tag Indy, go say what's up. And we'll slide into your DMs and pick one of you to win the most comfortable, cutest sweater ever. As always, make sure you're subscribed to the Skinny Confidential him and her podcast so you can see all the weekly updates on iTunes. And we'll see you on Friday.

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