The Bossticks - How To Burn Fat, Build Muscle, Age Gracefully, & Utilize Amino Acids Ft. Angelo Keely

Episode Date: April 25, 2025

#834: Join us as we sit down with Angelo Keely – the co-founder & CEO of Kion, a supplement company on a mission to help people look good, feel young, & stay strong. Essential amino acids are key to supporting muscle growth, repair, recovery, & energy – especially for those who train hard, fast, or just want to maintain muscle & vitality as they age.In this episode, Angelo breaks down the importance of consistent healthy habits & smart nutritional choices, the role of amino acids in preserving lean muscle while losing weight, explains the differences between protein sources like whey protein vs. steak, dives into the truth about protein digestion, explores the cognitive & performance-enhancing benefits of creatine supplementation, & reveals the truth about mold in your coffee!   To Watch the Show click HERE   To Watch Episode #679 –  'How To Manage Weight, Gain Muscle, & Age Gracefully Ft. Angelo Keely' click HERE    To Watch Episode #507 -  'The Missing Ingredient To Losing Weight & Building Lean Muscle Ft. Kion Founder Angelo Keely' click  HERE   For Detailed Show Notes visit TSCPODCAST.COM   To connect with Kion click HERE   To connect with Angelo Keely click HERE   To connect with Lauryn Bosstick click HERE   To connect with Michael Bosstick click HERE   Read More on The Skinny Confidential HERE   Get your burning questions featured on the show! Leave the Him & Her Show a voicemail at [phone].   This episode is brought to you by The Skinny Confidential   Head to the HIM & HER Show ShopMy page HERE and LTK page HERE to find all of Michael and Lauryn's favorite products mentioned on their latest episodes.   Go to getkion.com/skinny to learn more about Kion and save 20%.   Visit c1p.org to donate to the Community First Project, a mission to make communities safer by ensuring the quality & integrity of our nation's law enforcement agencies.   This episode is sponsored by Addyi  Learn more at Addyi.com.   This episode is sponsored by Nowadays Visit trynowadays.com and use code SKINNY at checkout for 20% off your first purchase.   This episode is sponsored by Lume Use code SKINNY for 15% off your first purchase at LumeDeodorant.com.   This episode is sponsored by Jenni Kayne Find your forever pieces Jenni Kayne and get 15% off with promo code SKINNY15 at .jennikayne.com/SKINNY15.   This episode is sponsored by Notion Get Notion Mail for free right now at notion.com/skinny, and try the inbox that thinks like you!   Produced by Dear Media

The following podcast is a Dear Media production. She's a lifestyle blogger extraordinaire. Fantastic. And he's a serial entrepreneur. A very smart cookie. And now Lauren Everts and Michael Bostic are bringing you along for the ride. Get ready for some major realness. Welcome to the skinny confidential, him and her.

Today we have a recurring guest and friend, Angelo Keeley. Angelo is the brilliant mind behind Kion, a supplement brand rooted in real science and optimized living. If you've ever wondered why your diet keeps plateauing, why you feel tired even when you think you're eating clean, or how to age with grace and muscle, this episode is your answer. We're going deep into the world of aminos, what they are, how they work, and why they might be the most underrated tool in your wellness toolbox. We also talk about how you can continue to take care of yourself as you age and things

that you can do to optimize your overall health and wellness. We also talk about things that you might want to avoid and things that you should be cautious of when it comes to your health. With that, Angela Keely, welcome back to the skinny confidential, him and her show. This is the skinny confidential, him and her. I really respect you as a founder and appreciate you as a founder because what I think is so unique about you is your multi-hyphenid. Like, I feel like your approach is very, in my opinion, healthy.

It's very lausay, but in a good way. I think some people are like, go, go, go all the time. But also, one thing about you that's different than a lot of founders, no offense, not all of them, your damn good on a mic. So that also makes it so fun to talk to you. As you have this business mind and you have this really cool, healthy approach to the business, but then you also know how to get on a mic and talk. Because sometimes you get a founder that's like sowing the weeds and they're sewing the numbers

and the operations and they get on the microphone and it's like cricket.com. Uh-huh. And it's like I have to like pull up. out. Do you know what I mean? With you, it's just like, it's easy, breezy. I mean, all I do is just talk on the microphone. I guess I guess maybe I'm not trying to do anything. I'm just trying to show up and like what's interesting to talk about. How can we, you know, have a good conversation and not not to make it like totally like tit for tat or like compliment you back. But literally my director of marketing this last week was like, so last year, and this doesn't seem like a big number to y'all

because you have a whole, your whole business is doing podcasts, but I'd record like 50 podcasts last year. Like a lot. That's a lot. That's a lot. Someone who doesn't have a podcast. It's a lot of podcasts for somebody who doesn't do podcasts. That's a lot.

Yeah. And so my director of marketing was like, like, so who's like, who's your favorite? Like, who's the best? And I was like, you know, honestly, like, it's really about like who feels really secure and confident in themselves and you can just talk to. Like, I don't feel like we're, we're just hanging out and having interesting conversation that hopefully provides value for people. And I was like Lauren and Michael,

they seem like self-secure, which typically like people, people as successful as y'all sometimes are a bit more anxious and like just nervous about how they're perceived. And like, you all seem very like self-secure, which makes conversation easy. That's very nice of you to say.

Jeez, record that and play it over to me. Thank you for saying. But I, you know, I know what you're saying where it's like sometimes you get around successful people, and it's like this like battle of who's going to say the smarter thing. And if you say something smart, I got to one up you and say something smarter. Right.

Does that make sense? Yeah, it's like performative, but in this like competitive performative versus collaborative. I think the most clever people are the ones that bring the cleverness out of someone else. Uh-huh. Oh, I like that. And I think that that Michael's right. We were talking about this the other day.

We're like, sometimes when you do get around really successful people, there's almost like a void like a like and not all of them i'm not talking about all of them i'm just talking about some that there's like a void there's like a brokenness this this is going to sound i've never really even talked about this is going to sound strange to say coming from somebody who's built part of their career around building an audience and being you know performing on a camera but i think sometimes the most insecure people find the most success in that medium of performance because they have so much to prove.

And as we have spoken to different kinds of people, some of the biggest stars, I guess I just won't be careful saying this, some of the biggest stars that we ever met are actually some of the most insecure people. And I think that's the drive that gets them to be that big of a star. And I say all the time,

like if I was more insecure and cared more about what people, I'd probably be putting a lot more effort into getting bigger, you know what I mean? Because I would be so insecure about not being big, If that makes sense.

Yeah. So you keep grinding at it and trying to work at it and do whatever. Yeah. And for me, I'm just kind of like, I talked, we were talking about it. I'm like, fuck, I would probably be like way further along if I had that. But then that comes with stuff. And so I think like for Lauren and I, we just really like to talk to interesting people and learn things that we don't know and ask questions that we actually are uncertain of.

Like for us, this has just been this big exploration of like learning from the best and whatever field there are so that we can better our lives. And in turn, hopefully the people listening get some of those nuggets as well and better their lives as well. Angelo, welcome to the show. Let's get the nuts and bolts and get right down to it. How the fuck do I lose all this baby weight after the baby's out? I don't know, but Michael, move over.

I've got a lot of weight to lose when the baby comes out. Give me the Angelo plan of what you would do once the baby's here and I can focus and everyone's rolling their eyes. They're like, you're supposed you need 40 days. I know. I know I need 40 days. I know I need to give myself a break. But over the next year, after the baby's born, what should I be doing to lose the baby weight?

For real to start, though, you look great. And you're not, you have not, I don't think you're going to have weight, right, to lose after the period. But it's not like you have ballooned. Like, you look pretty fit. What I would say, and this is the third time I've seen her pregnant. He's still grabbing ass. I think this is, and don't attack me of this. I think this is the most.

fit she's been. And if you look at the first pregnancy around, it's like, careful, the first one I'm out of balloon now. No weight training, diet, maybe not the same, no aminos. And the second one was like some weight training a little bit. And now it's like, I watch her. Aminos every day, creatine, weight training, meat and animal-based diet, all the things. And this is the third time. I actually think that this is the most fit. She's been out of all three. I believe it. It's because like the habits you had beforehand, the habits you built over the last two three years, even better habits and then you've maintained. So I guess they're just like jumping ahead and actually answering your question. I think after the period of ensuring that like you really

are nurturing yourself and nurturing your new child, right, and not trying to. Oh yeah, to quickly like get to the pure vanity metrics. Honey, mommy's busy. Okay. You know, whatever time that is, right? So it's after 40 days or 60 days or 90 days, whatever the right period is. I don't think that the recipe is that different than probably what you did before, but because it worked for you before, right? I mean, I've seen your Instagram posts, like, you're fit, right? So if you had to have like the perfect guidance, though, it's pretty, it's pretty straightforward and simple. I think, well, I would say is it simple. It's not easy. I think what a lot of people want to do is to try to find actually some, like, complex way of making the whole thing work, but it's actually like very simple.

And it is, you kind of have to change some of your, like, core. beliefs. Again, I don't think this applies to you. So I'm guessing I'm giving this feedback like more generally. And that is really like vegetables and fruits for fiber and for micronutrients, your body needs and will benefit from protein from like animal proteins, ideally because plant proteins just have a lot less protein and way more calories per gram of protein are the thing that you should eat. If you eat that and then you lift weights, you are going to get fit again. Now, the one I extra thing is that is all kind of assuming a calorie, like some type of caloric restriction.

Like you're consuming less calories than whatever you weigh. But I assume you're going to be less hungry once this baby's gone. I won't be eating. I won't be eating corn flakes with a handful of frosted mini-weets on top with raw milk and blueberries. Every night. That sounds good. Every night, every night in bed. It's so weird. though because like people will show up like a postmates will show up or Uber Reeves or whatever at like all hours of the night they're just like holding a box across the mini what's going on here? So when I cut that out. Yes you're going to cut that out. I mean basically you're going to eat fruits and vegetables and and lean animal proteins. You're going to walk

ideally every day. You're going to lift weights a few times per week. And if you actually do that, because that's what I'm saying. Like most people don't actually do that. They kind of want to do that. But then they want to like add in a couple glasses of wine every day. They want to add in a couple of a pizza. They want to add in all these other things. And if you if you really want to get to that level of like quickly getting back, those are the things that your body needs. And if you only ate those things and you lifted weights a few times a week and you walked. And if you, you don't actually really need to add any additional cardio training. Like cardio training would be good for your heart, but it's not going to help you lose more weight. It's probably actually going to like provoke your

hunger even more. What about the supplements that you think? So on the supplement side, I think like this is this is actually a great. This is a great. This is a great. because people think about losing weight, right? Like let's say I want to lose 10 pounds of weight, right? If I want to lose 10 pounds of weight, I need to restrict calories to get there. And it's about 3,500 calories per pound that I'm going to lose. Okay. Okay. So if I restricted 500 calories a day and there's seven days in a week, right? Yes. I'm looking at all I just making sure we're tracking. You're basically losing a pound a week if you can restrict 500 calories. Right.

But here's what happens. And this is like, this is however you get there, whether this is just through discipline or even using something like OZimpec, you lose on like a quick weight loss journey like that about 40% is actually muscle. So if you just restrict calories, you don't think about your protein intake. For every 10 pounds you lose, about 6 pounds as fat and 4 pounds as muscle. But that's not what you want to do. What you want to do is you want to lose only 10 pounds of fat if you can.

Okay. So the way that you would achieve that would be through supplementation. This is why amino acids are so important. This is why amino acids are so important because the amount of additional protein, the amount of additional essential amino acids, essential amino acids are literally just the active component in the protein. They're the thing. They're why you eat the protein.

Okay. Right? You need to eat so much more than them. You need to eat three times. the amount of them if you're in like a this around this 500 calorie deficit to not lose muscle. And to eat that much more protein would be hard. Like that would be like three times as much steak. So this is why you supplement with the amino. Yeah. So if you simply added if you if you add it, if you did like two to three servings of kionaminos two to three times a day, while you're also eating very modestly like only animal proteins, fruits and veggies, you could drop 10 pounds very fast. It would be entirely fat. versus dropping only six pounds of fat and four pounds of muscle.

And the big difference, I promise you, it looks very different. Losing 10 pounds of fat only, but you maintain all of your lean muscle, it's a totally different look than if you lose four pounds of muscle for every six pounds of fat. This is a good time to mention for people that are... Is this your third or fourth time on the show? Third. Third. So I highly suggest people go and listen to your first two episodes.

They're phenomenal. if you just search Angela Healy on the podcast and just, you know, and we'll link him in the show notes. Because we talk about a lot of this stuff. But you mentioned, I don't think we've ever talked about Ozempic or have we. We have. We have. One of the most interesting things. But it was early, right?

Before like a lot of people started really adopting this. So if someone, you mentioned this briefly, if someone is going to use that as a tool to lose weight, what you're saying is they should potentially triple the intake of what they would normally do with aminos if they're going to lose weight that quickly. So they don't lose muscle. Yes. I mean, so they don't lose muscle. So they don't lose muscle. I mean, I think, so just like my basic summary of what OZMPIC and drugs like that do is they help control appetite. It's not, it's like, it's magic. It's really actually incredible for people who can't find another way to do that. It's very effective, but that is what it does fundamentally. So you literally just eat less. But when you

eat less, whether that's through dieting or it's through this kind of drug intervention, it's the exact same fact that when you when you cut calories that aggressive you start eating like only a thousand calories a day you are not for every you know 10 pounds you're losing you're losing long term it's probably more like three pounds of muscle for every seven pounds of fat but at the beginning for sure it's like six pounds of fat four pounds of muscle you're just dropping muscle so fast and with ozimic just like you could with you know a more natural diet you might call it if you supplement with a lot more essential amino acids, you will not lose muscle. The most interesting thing that I have ever heard about OZUMPIC on this podcast came from you

when you said that. And here I am saying, did we talk about OZUX? How could you forget that? It was so interesting. It's like if you're going to do it, make sure you're replacing your aminos so you don't lose muscle. I do remember now. It's a hack. It's a major hack.

As much as I'd like to say, I remember every single segment. I mean, we are on like 900 shows. It all starts to blend together. But I remember now. I remember. I think I just remember because people are so interested in this topic. And I was like, that makes so much sense that you said that. We've also talked about over the years just like, you know, people focus so much on the scale.

Like, you know, for me, like I'm roughly anywhere between 170, 175 pounds all the times. I'm barely paying attention to that number as much as like the body composition. I could care less if I go to 180 if it's muscle and it's formed well, right? And do you do like body scans to do that? No, but I want to start to, we have done Dexas scans. And I think we just need to do them more. And then there's the weight, not the weight, the scale. That's the- What scans do you like?

Like an in-body scam? I honestly just go. I mean, I think those kind of in-home scans, like I haven't found them to be super effective. But lots of places have like an in-body scan, which is basically like one of the brands that makes the ones at home, but they have ones that like nutritionists will have. And it's very affordable for people. It's probably like 30 bucks. Whereas a Dexic is a couple hundred dollars or something. But if you do that and just go in like once a month or whatever frequency is right for you, you can start to get a general sense of like actually how much of your body is fat and how much of your body is muscle and water, etc.

And I think it's actually a much healthier way of having perspective on like where you're at. Because honestly, it's crazy to see how much things can change. Yep. And how you could go on a scale and you could think, oh my gosh, I gained. three pounds or something, but actually you might have lost fat and increased muscle and dramatically have a lower body fat percentage. Yeah, like the thing that I watched like kind of my waistline of my pants as an indicator of like, oh, my gaining fat or not just like, but for me like I go, sometimes I will lose a little bit of waistline, but I'll go up and wait. And I don't use that

as a moment to freak out. I'm like, oh, okay, like it's probably because I'm putting on a little bit more muscles. It's a good thing. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. What are other supplements that people need to take if they are exploring weight loss besides aminos besides aminos yeah you know i think that anything that's like a fat burner no okay like i don't think that's like there's not like a real fake news i think you just think it's like fake i think it's like these these things like capsicum extract or things like that i think they how much they would actually increase your metabolism is just like bunk it's just not should i get rid of my fit tummy tea i mean what i would say though is You know, placebo is legit.

So, like, if you really like the fit tummy tea and it really motivates you and, like, you're making other good decisions based off of it, I would keep doing it. But I think, like, fat burners are just not, they're not legit. Really, it's anything that is going to, that's going to significantly, like, actually help suppress your appetite. Like, that is going to be the number one thing to control calories. And the things that do that, there are these drugs. But after drugs, there's things like, like, like, cillium husk or other types of these,

like kind of prebiotic fiber type things that basically like they fill up your gut right so they give you this fiber but they also like fill up your stomach and help you feel more full if your issue is kind of being able to control how much you eat and you want to feel more full more quickly I would say that's good I mean interestingly like weigh protein like way protein isolate is not only does it help you feel kind of full like if you blend it up it creates like all this mass it slows gastric emptying so not to the degree that like a drug would but it does kind of more slow down how quickly your stomach and your whole digestive system processes all that. And so this you feel fuller a little bit longer, which is an interesting hack too because

people will be like, well, like, why would I, lots of people like talk trash about weight protein. And weight protein's awesome. There is not a more effective or more studied protein powder supplement than weight protein. It's hyper-effective, awesome. If you can't really tolerate way protein, try way protein isolate. Like it's awesome. It works really well. But then someone would be like, well, then why would I take aminos?

Like if aminos and protein are like kind of similar and kind of the same thing, they're pretty different. Way protein will make you feel more full. Like it will make you feel a lot more full. It's heavier, et cetera. Whereas something like aminos is giving you all the benefit at a way higher rate. Aminoes are like super protein. Basically, for whatever decade you are, if you're 30 aminos, if you have the right

formula, we can get into like what that formula is because it does matter. it's about three times as effective as protein powder, way protein powder. If you're 40, it's four times as effective. If you're 50, five times, 60, six times as effective. And so it's this much lighter, kind of like easier version of it that's much more effective. And so when you think about someone who's like, say, trying to diet or on Ozympic and they can't even like, they have like no appetite, the idea of like chugging four times the amount of

weight protein as you would aminos, it's much easier to just take the aminos. and you're getting this benefit of like maintaining, stimulating the muscle mass. Can I ask you maybe an ignorant question? There is none. So say, I don't know. Let's see what you come up with. Just watch me.

Just watch. So say, let's you pick on myself. I'm like, okay, I want to shoot for 150 grams of protein per day, mostly animal based protein. Maybe I'll supplement some way. Would you then take the same dosage of aminos throughout the day? Like, would you take a few servings of that on top? of that or can you take can I eat less protein like say I could get to 120 and then use the

aminos like can I overdo it with the aminos I guess on top of the protein if I hit my goals is kind of what I'm asking so I heard two questions one is can I overdo it and two is can I replace it yes right both yeah yeah so what I was they kind of both the same thing yeah yeah so I'll I'll take the like the replace it first what I would say is like on some fundamental level you should be eating like real food eating steaks eating eggs eating vegetables because they have all these other micronutrients. It's not just about the protein, right? If though that is difficult in like today's busy life, preparing that much food, you know, just making it all work and you're trying to hit these higher protein targets, say like 150 grams of protein per day,

I would say like that last third, like the last 50 grams, like totally like supplement. And that could be something like a protein bar, which is not full of a bunch of other like, it's not like a steak. It's it doesn't have the amount of like micronutrients, right? Or you could use. use like a way protein powder or you could use something like an amino acid supplement. And the fundamental difference is that I think we got into this a little bit last time, but I don't know how dialed in we got because way protein is basically like a way protein isolate is almost entirely protein. Whereas a steak only actually about like 25% of it is protein because the rest is like water and fat and some carbs, et cetera. And then of that steak,

only less than half of that is the essential amino acids. So it's like 12% like 11 to 12% of that whole steak is actually like the amino acids you're trying to get. Whereas with way protein, it's slightly higher and it's only the protein. So it's almost entire. It's like half of it is the essential amino acids. Way protein powder is like three times the bang for your buck than steak is. Now you wouldn't want to replace all your steak, but for that last 50 grams of protein, it's like that way protein's worth. It's actually providing a lot more benefit than the steak does. So I guess what I would, so like say that I hit my 150 grams with food and some way, should I continue to take the full multiple servings of this per day that I'm typically taking? So I'm going to get to that. So what I was going to say to is if on the other hand you're like, instead of way, can I just do aminos? I would say yes. And it's going to be

even more effective. Interesting. Like the aminos have about three for like you're around 40 has about four times the impact as way. So like it's way more impactful than even that way protein is. Okay, I did not know that. Yeah. So you can like, you could you could replace it. Not again, I'm saying as like a supplement. Like in the way you use a protein powder, you can use aminos and they're much more impactful. Then the question becomes, well, like, how much is like too much? Like at some point am I like just pissing it down the drain or could it harm me or, you know, something.

So what I would say is in terms of like safety, you can consume a lot more essential amino acids and a lot more protein than just that 150 and continue to benefit from it if you are training, which you train. train, right? And you're, you're like overall just like pretty active. You have more muscle mass and or you're trying to like lose fat while maintaining your muscle, like the kind of the opposite journey. Like I feel like there's kind of two body composition journeys people are typically on. They're trying to like lose the fat but look tone or they're trying to put on more muscle. We're all about skin care, self care and mindset shifts. But what about our libido? Yep, we're going there. Because here's the deal. Millions of women struggle with low sex drive. And if you've been struggling to get in the mood, you are not alone. But guess what, ladies, there's an option for you.

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And then I add the skinny confidential beauty salt, which is electrolytes. And I froth it. You got to froth it. Frothing it, like don't, you guys need to make a frother. It almost was a perfect formula, but you had ice in there. I know we shouldn't have ice. I know we shouldn't have cold beverage. But it's like, well, I can't have a margarita right now.

Give me a break. I can't have a margarita. And I take this to the gym and I sip on it the whole time I'm at the gym. Is that the ideal time to do that? or should I be drinking it before the gym? Or after. What I would say is like that is an awesome cocktail. So you asked earlier about like the weight loss thing.

Creatine would also be a great supplement just for. Creates in it. So yeah, I know. So supporting. Oh, support weight list. Yeah. So supporting building muscle, maintaining muscle,

which is ultimately going to help you lose more fat. That's an awesome cocktail. And I would say like the most important thing is just doing it every day. Yeah. So like you doing that is the most important thing. If you were trying to optimize it, the aminos before you exercise, before your exercise is going to provide slightly more benefit than during.

And definitely more than like taking it after. But what I would say is like whatever, like rather than people trying to nitpick like the perfect way of taking it, like the fact you even just do that, you're going to get way more benefit than someone who doesn't. Why does creatine get such a bad rep with women? I think because their high school boyfriends took it. like I mean imagine Michael as a 16 year old taking creatine and how he talked about it at that time he was probably like he's like give him I know explode we were like we were like we were jacked we were like annoying about it and yeah we didn't do a

good job of like representing it so I think that's what it's represented in so many people's minds it's like oh creatine it's like some teenage college boy thing to make them really buff like that's that's not at all what I want to do and what's crazy is like that's not what it does. It does not. What does it do? Cretein basically is a third energy source. So it's not a carb, it's not a fat, and it doesn't support this aerobic or anaerobic energy. It's this thing that gets stored in your muscles as phosphocreatine.

And what happens is when you try to do intense exercise, so not something like jogging or like kind of or walking or longer form stuff, but you're trying to lift weights like you're doing or you're doing pushups or pullups. if previously you could do like 10 reps if you've been taking creatine consistently again you have to take creatine every day for this to work it's not like just before you work out you take creatine every day it saturates in your muscles suddenly you'll be able to start doing 12 reps you can actually push out one more rep

two more reps because there's more energy stored directly in the muscle that gives you that energy to do that extra rep so that's basically what it does and then through that it allows you to you know if you're doing lighter weight stuff, it's going to give you more muscular endurance. If you're doing really heavy stuff and you train really heavy and push really hard, it's going to help you build strength. But like, that's all it does. So the only thing about it is it kind of only works if you exercise, if you train, because it's giving

you this energy to exercise more and a little bit harder. And then through that, you get more improvements and benefits. I heard it helps with headaches, too. I don't know about headaches, but there are definitely like benefits for cognition. I think we talked about this one last time, like the sleep study that had come out, you know, fairly recently that basically if you got a really bad night of sleep and you take like double dose it. And you take like 10 grams, then it can help reduce feelings of fatigue and improve like memory and focus. And that's legit. But then also some other studies, like more and more studies have come out specifically around cognition, actually more of like older people. And this is high, this is like way higher dosages, like 20,

maybe like four scoops, like 20 grams a day. But like older people literally having improvements and memory and focus. Like, pretty significant improvements. And then the most recent one, they actually did on depression. So did this eight-week study where people were doing cognitive behavioral therapy or doing cognitive behavioral therapy plus creatine. And the ones that were taking the creatine had significantly improved benefits around symptoms of depression. That's like crazy that like a supplement like this could help people struggling with depression. Doesn't surprise me. As somebody who's like played with creatine throughout my life, I think like whenever I'm not taking creatine, I notice I'm not as

quick, not as sharp. And so I imagine if you can think clear and you have better cognition, then likely you're able to think in a different way, which maybe negates some of the, some of the things that come along with depression. I mean, it's definitely like a super, like, intuitive, non-like super sciencey approach. But that makes sense to me too. It'd be like, if I can think more clearly and like have a, even like a moment more of like reflection, then I don't get like stuck or like stagnant. Well, the problem with some of the, some of the things that I say and deliver on this show is like, I try to use, as much intuition around my body as possible because I think like who knows your body better than

you and like it's an exp-my life is like an exploration of getting more and more in tune with that. But when you say something like that, it sounds woo-woo. But what I mentioned earlier, like I just recently upped my grams of creatine because I've been taking five grams for so long, that intuitive I just feel like, oh, I've probably like just gotten used to that dosage and can maybe increase it because I want to unlock further like benefits around not only muscle growth but cognition. but like it wasn't like oh somebody told me I read some studies like I just feel like intuitive like I shouldn't change the dosage because I've been doing the five for so long. Does that make sense? Totally makes sense. And I think it's totally legit. I mean like there's one element

of life that is about all these like scientific empirical studies proving things to each other, you know, building a hypothesis that's like, oh, this thing is definitely the way that it is that we can all see it. And then there's just like our own personal experience of our bodies and what's going on. And I don't know. I mean, I trust like, you know, studies have seen, but I trust what I feel more than anything. It's me and my intuition of my life and like my experience. What I worry about with the rise of all of this information that we have online is that people like, what's the dosage? What's the amount? What's of this? And it's like, well, there's probably like a blanket like in some studies that exist showing what's happened

when you take. But at some time like what works for me may not work for you and vice versa. And sometimes you may need to increase. Sometimes you may need to decrease. You know what I'm saying? Like yeah. It's just like this blanket approach where people are so hopeful that somebody on a podcast or a show or somebody that says is going to give them like their exact dose or their body. But everybody's different. Going back to what Lauren was asking, like, is there, I'm making this little cocktail and drinking it while I work out. Like, should I be doing it some other time? That's how I was like, if that's what you like, Lauren, and you're actually doing that, it's working for you. Like, it's working great for you.

I also like my omegas. Don't sleep on the amegas. Wait, quickly, though, one more thing. on the aminos, you mentioned that there's a greater benefit to greater dosages, like, pretty much per decade, like 30, I don't think we ever talked about that. Why? Why? So as we age, our ability to digest protein goes down. And as we age our sensitivity to the essential amino acids in that protein to stimulate new protein synthesis also goes down. So what happens is when you eat steak, You digest it and you get these essential amino acids and they go into the blood.

And when they go into the blood, basically the rest of your body, so without trying to go through everything we talked about on the prior episodes, basically like we are made up of protein. Like our skin, our hair, our nails, all of our vital organs, heart, liver, kidneys, all of our muscles, but even things like our hormones, enzymes, all of these are made up of proteins. And the way that protein works in nature is that it only lasts for so long. So literally like there's proteins in my skin, like millions of them.

And right now, there is a protein that is old and it's breaking apart. And when it breaks apart, some of those amino acids that make it up, I pee out and some like stay in my blood. And then they get used to rebuild a new skin protein, to rebuild a new hormone, an enzyme, etc. But as you just get, if you just get the basic idea of like, but I peed some out. Right. So I have less than I used to have when it breaks down. That's why we eat protein. When we eat protein, we get these essential amino acids from the protein. It goes into our blood and it says like, hey, let's rebuild that skin tissue. Let's rebuild that hair.

Let's rebuild that muscle, et cetera. And as we get older, our body prioritizes that process less. It just makes sense. You think about as you get older, our skin starts to sag. We start to lose as much muscle. Like, we just kind of start to die, like slowly over time, right? And if you want to overcome that, like if you want that to be not the process that is so exacerbated by aging, by amplifying the amount of essential amino acids you take. And specifically, this is like where something like Keonaminos or essential amino acids in general can provide so much more benefit. They overcome that anabolic resistance, that kind of the resistance of the body to want to rebuild its proteins like really no other, you know, no protein source does. What are mistakes that people are making with protein that you

see online? What are mistakes that I see people making with protein online? Maybe, maybe is it like plant-based protein? Like, what are the mistakes that you're like, ugh? I mean, I think like, yeah, I think probably like the biggest thing. And I don't know, it's funny, maybe I don't get fed enough of this content. I know there's people out there that it's like the quality of the protein source really matters. All, like just eating more protein is not, it's not just like, you any protein is all protein is good to some degree, but they're really different. So for example, if I compare like kidney beans, if I want to get 20 grams of protein from kidney beans, I have to eat like six or 700 calories worth of kidney beans. If I want to get that from beef, I think it's like

230 calories. If I want to get that from a weight protein isolate, it's like 100 calories. There is a clear spectrum of how much more efficacious that way protein is or that beef is versus those kidney beans. And so I think just like the simple idea of like just eat more protein, like eat more high quality protein and eat more high quality protein that ideally is like, this goes for like animal protein people too. That's not like covered in fat. Like bacon is not the same as like lean chicken. Like the lean chicken, unless you're pregnant, you can do whatever you want to eat. You can put the bacon on top of the frosted mini wheats, whatever. But they're different. Please don't. Please don't do that.

Protein sources are different. They're different. Yeah. Who is doing it right online? Like when you mentioned that you're served kind of content, who do you look at and you're like, they've got it down? You know what's interesting? What I so often observe is, you know, like, so I'll follow the International Society

of Sports Nutrition, the ISSN. They don't have some big Instagram following, but I encourage you to follow them. And it's basically the organization of academic research. that specialize in sports nutrition. And that is inclusive of protein nutrition and amino acid nutrition and creatine, like all these things. And it is the leading researchers throughout the world and they all come together and they critique each other's papers. They have a conference once a year. Like they're super legit. And no one really follows them, right? And I see people posting stuff all the time that's like in contradiction to stuff that they say. It's like clearly not in agreement.

I see them like releasing papers and then people like arguing with it. So what's coming to mind is like, man, there's some people that I think are like pretty good, but I hesitate to even name them because I even see them kind of them being more focused on the marketing and trying to tell the big story than actually like say what's true. And so from a pure protein nutrition standpoint, I think ISSN, I would say follow them. But it's not some sexy, exciting, like cool influencer person. It's like academics. I like the way Paul Saladino eats, but I like to eat sourdough toast made with minimal

ingredients. And like I like to add in like if I'm not pregnant, a margarita and have a little bit more balance. But I like I like his where he's headed. I like the honey. I like how he eats a lot of fruit, but a lot of meat. He focuses on protein. But I need a little bit.

I need 20% that's like sourdough, margarita, cereal in bed. That sounds good to me. That sounds great. You know, one, like, I think I've had this kind of more simplifying mentality that's developed for me that's like, if I could just kind of rank foods, like there's category one that is stuff that for me, I think I can eat. It's like just real food and it's super nutritious. And that is things like fruits. I put honey in that. I put any kind of meat in that, particularly like leaner meats. Again, I wouldn't put like bacon in that. Like I I think there's a difference between like a steak and like a piece of bacon and vegetables. I still really like vegetables. I know like Paul is not as individual.

Paul's not big on vegetables. I think vegetables are great. I like vegetables when they're not sprayed with Roundup. Yeah, me too. I mean. I prefer mine with Brown. You prefer yours. Well, it's like we can't even get a vegetable without being sprayed. It's like why I like vegetables too.

And you trust the fruits like that much more? No. What I do. With their skins and you remove them. Anything that comes in our house, I have a new rule. goes in a bowl of water with white vinegar and baking soda. And I let it soak. And I'm going to tell you something.

I've had a kiwi obsession this pregnancy. And when you take a kiwi from the market and you do my little recipe with the white vinegar and the baking soda and you let it soak, it looks like a different fruit when you pull it out. It looks different. It looks like it's like almost turns like lighter. Because there's so much pesticides.

sides and shit sprayed on it. So my thing is like fruit and vegetables are great, but like, could we not have all the shit sprayed on them? But you know, like it's, I mean, I'm down with that, obviously. I think like, listen, I respect a lot of these people that I would say are becoming more mainstream, but have been primarily on the fringe of health and wellness when it comes to like how most people think about life. Like, to be honest, if I sit down at a dinner table, whatever is in front of me, I'm likely going to eat unless I don't like the table. Like, I'm not going to be like, oh, well, that thing is this or that's this category. And that's because, like, in my life, personally, the way that I live is like, okay, do I have the big buckets taken care of?

Like, am I not constantly running around stress with my cortisol over the place? Is my sleep good? Did I get in some training? Did I, you know, like get some stuff from, like, I do the things. And then, like, listen, if there's a seed oil here, I don't want a seed oil, but I'm not going to be, oh my God, my life. Or if somebody throws a vegetable in my face, I'm like, I don't eat vegetables. The glass of wine, God forbid, I'm probably going to drink the glass of wine. I think you can become just as neurotic and just as unhealthy being so fringe and freaked out about everything. Yeah. I totally agree.

Yeah. Like, listen, I love some of the people that come on this show and live that way. It takes so much discipline. It's so hard. Do I want to go to a dinner party with them or on a vacation? Absolutely not. Well, they might not do those things either. Because I feel like it'd be really hard.

Like, I can't. It's lately. Actually, my son jokes about it with me because, you know, they always come and ask, like, if you have allergies. Yep. And my son was like, you should tell him you're allergic to seed oil. and see what they do. And I started doing it at nice restaurants and like they all use seed oils. Yeah. So like can you cook it in like, you know, butter or like beef tallow or something like that and like they'll try but it's like this whole complicated thing. Now I'm a pain in the ass. Now I'm kind of like ruining the whole experience for everyone. So like if you want to be like that, you kind of have to opt out of I think whole sets of experiences. I mean, listen like Lauren does she'll order the, I know you order the room services. They say no oils. I do the same thing. But if that's an easy one. You just use butter. Come on. We can do that. But on. But on. But on. Honestly, if it comes there and it's a little bit of oil on there, I'm eating it. I'm slamming into the gym.

I went and ate pasta from a restaurant the other night's covered in oil. But then if the one, I think eggs are easy to make without oil. You can just put butter in it. That's an easy one to switch. Yeah. It's an easy switch. Listen, maybe I'm the outlier, but like, if I'm out on a trip of someone and, like, a couple tequila shots come, I'm taking those tequila shots. I'm probably having a cigar. If you don't like it, then like, we're probably not driving. We're not driving here. Like, I got to have some fun. Now, I don't want to do that every night. I want to, you know, how. Well, you probably choose how many of those situations you put yourself in. Yeah, rarely. Which I feel like that's, like, that's the thing. You kind of build up your daily habits, your daily routines, that feel really, like, nourishing and supportive to you. And then you also choose to engage in the stuff. It's like, yeah, but like, I want to go out to, like, nice dinners. I want to go on this trip with people. And, like, like, It is important, you know, to, like, be with friends and family and not be pretentious and annoying the whole time in the environment. Like, I don't know if you've seen that meme going around where it's like what stage of healthy you're at. And it's like, listen, we love Brian Johnson's, but there's like Brian Johnson. And then like the old Italian dude with the chest tattoo and a cigarette.

And they're like both like one of them is almost 100 years old and there's Brian. And Brian, don't take this. But like, I think there's something to be said about having some fun and living a little bit stress free and like indulging in life in some cases. is not all the time, but I've all, you know, we've seen doing this show for so long,

sometimes the people that get the most neurotic about health and wellness in this stuff and what's the ingredients. Like they also, that comes with a lot of issues as well. Speaking of cigars, speaking of cigars, testosterone. They really,

really work to up the testosterone. I don't know if it's true or not. It's a hundred percent. I wonder if it's a high dose of nicotine. There's something in a cigar that, changes sex. I didn't know about this. I'm telling you.

And specific to cigars is not just nicotine? The penis feels 10 times bigger. Well, there you go. There's the hook for the show. I have a feeling that you got to start. Why don't you do toilet paper? You should have done a cigar company. Okay.

So there's going to be people that don't like, like, I'm sure people like, listen, anytime you're inhaling smoke, like it comes the risk. But the difference between, I think like cigarettes and cigars are very different. Cigars are one ingredient, which is tobacco. and tobacco leaf cigarettes are 70, like thousands of ingredients. I think what I was saying earlier is like if you indulge once in a while and it alleviates some stress and gets you a little nicotine. Through your wife.

But like anything else. Get her pregnant. I don't know. I don't know how we got on this path anyway. We did. I'll tell you. Okay. So when you were speaking of cigars and I wanted to talk about testosterone, a lot of men are

going on TRT super young. I would love to know. What a wild transition all that was. But all right, let's do it. Let's go for it. Yeah. I was giving a hot tip. If anyone needs to get a little harder in the bedroom, go smoke a cigar. What can people do to avoid TRT if possible at a young age? So I am not an expert in like testosterone levels and in males, but I'm familiar enough with the subject to feel pretty good about answering this. So there are lots of natural ways to support testosterone. And they basically are following the eating stuff that we talked about earlier. So like the same stuff that's going to help you lose that. after you have the baby is the same stuff that's going to help the dude maintain higher testosterone levels. Eating shitty food and processed food and tons of like hyper-processed carbs and sugar and stuff like that. And having more belly fat specifically is going to reduce your testosterone. Lifting heavy weights is going to increase and improve your testosterone.

So it's like it's a lot of the same kinds of stuff that support that. You know, I think that the risk of going on TRT earlier is that it's the kind of thing where it really does change your body. Like you start going on it and then you will decrease your natural production of that hormone. Whereas I would say like you go on something like aminos or creatine. Like you start taking it and you can get these benefits. And if at some point you're like, you know what? Like I don't want to do this anymore. There's no harm.

Like nothing's been happened. Nothing's happened. You go on something like TRT very young. you start decreasing your natural testosterone production. You go off of it and your testosterone is much lower than it was before. So the danger of it is just like way higher. I would just definitely encourage people to wait, like, you know, until you actually really are in a clinical state.

And at that age, let's say you're like in your 60s and you choose to do it, you're probably going to have like a killer of 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, you know, but you really needed it at that point. Like you're really trying to get back to a place where you were before. versus like kind of doing it like optionally now to just optimize and try to be that much better. But you actually are limiting your body's ability long term to be able to produce the testosterone. I think that's a great answer. What are the differences between plant protein and animal protein?

Besides, I know you mentioned the calorie situation, but what are the differences in like a protein powder? So big picture, when you eat protein, you want it to have all nine of the essential amino acids. Most plants don't have all nine in significant enough amounts to be considered a complete protein. Some do. Soy, for example. Actually, a super one is spirulina. Spirulina super has them all and is actually quite dense in it. But otherwise, most plants aren't.

Like, they just aren't. And that's why lots of protein powders are combinations, right? you get a pee in a rice blend, et cetera. So that's, I say, like, the primary issue is, like, it's just, it's not an ideal source to even get the essential amino acids from. But then if you try to turn it into, like, a protein powder, when you look at these, are you guys familiar with the more recent report that showed the super high levels of heavy metals in protein powders?

Oh. Like super high levels. A lot of them. You got to talk about that. Yeah, but it's basically plant protein powders. Like, I mean, you can get it in something like a way protein. where the cows eating the grass. But these heavy metals come from plants.

And if you take tons, like even the example earlier of like the kidney beans, it's because you need so many kidney beans or you need so many lentils or so many peas or so much rice to get the same amount of protein as you get from this really compact piece of steak or way, you know, milk, dairy protein, that you have to use tons of plants and basically cook them down, filter them down to get this isolated protein source. That with that you filter and cook down all these heads. heavy metals as well. So they end up being really concentrated in these heavy metals, much more so than an animal-based protein powder. So it's like you're getting a lot more calories. If you look at

like a scoop of a plant-based protein powder, it's typically always much higher in calories than a way, way more than something like aminos. It's high in heavy metals and it's not even as good, like because it's so much more deficient in the essential amino acid. So whenever someone tells me like, hey, I really, I just don't like doing animal proteins, even dairy, even way, I don't want to do I'm like, that is the perfect time to choose something like aminos. Because the aminos are basically super protein powder and they're vegan. Loomi, you never have to worry about B.O. again. Okay? It's powered by mandelic acid to control odor in a new way.

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it's why they're called essential. You know, and you can't take the whole supplement cabinet if you know, like the things that come are the aminos, the creatine, probably some kind of like

like an omega vitamin D. I have to do electrolytes before coffee. Electrolites. Yeah. Electrolites. Like some,

that's it. I think the things that are going to actually like really, they really make a difference. Yeah. Yeah. I want to talk. about coffee and mold. I know that you talked a little bit on the first podcast about this,

but I think that so many people don't realize how much mold is in coffee. How did you discover this and how did you create something that doesn't have mold in it? So first thing I'll say is there's mold in like all kinds of stuff, right? It's kind of crazy how much stuff has mold in it and on it. Well, I mean, anyone who's like had food, like if you buy like, if you have like legit sourdough, right, at your house and it gets, and it gets left out for a while, you'll notice that it grows mold on it, right? There's mold spores kind of all around us. Now, there's different degrees of worse mold for you, right? And then there's different ways that you might consume it. If you find mold on that piece of bread, you're not going to eat the piece of bread, right? That's

like, it's gross. What's crazy, though, is that there could be mold on things like coffee where you don't see it, right? The spores are so small. It's now been potentially roasted. So there's ways, in which it's not as obvious and it's harder for you to avoid it basically. The way that mold can get introduced to coffee is basically the way that it is produced. So the way coffee is made, I'll just like give you the basic chain of how it works is it gets grown in these, you know, often places like Honduras, Mexico, Colombia, etc. by small farmers. And those small farmers then like harvest all the beans. And if they don't have a lot of money, they just lay them out to dry in the sun. Well, have you ever had it where it's like, and sometimes there's like big canopies, right?

So some parts of the coffee beans get more dried than others. And sometimes they don't get fully dried. They're still wet. And then they pack up all these beans and they put them into these big sacks. And then they ship them to America, right? Or wherever they're going. And then they get roasted. Well, in that process, you've got some still wet beans that got exposed just natural mold that was in the air, that was in the environment that's in all these places that develops on the beans.

and that stays on it. So the way that you overcome that is basically machine drying. So you can choose to do this. Now, this is more expensive to get coffee beans like this. But basically what we do to not only overcome the mold issues, but also pesticide issues. Because this actually goes to your point about you don't want the vegetables sprayed with pesticides. Well, what we found is we even bought organic coffee beans before and they still tested positive for pesticides. the reason because they get put in these green they get put in the big coffee sacks that were previously

used for conventional coffee and then they mentioned that before yeah basically what we do is we make sure that it's only grown on specialty organic rated farms they have machine drying so it's like these big machines where the beans get put on and they get dried via machine and sure it's not just like the sun doing it because you could get shade et cetera and then they absolutely must get packed in organic sacks and then when they get shipped here we do continue to testing throughout. So they get tested like before they even get roasted again because you could get pesticides that could get introduced some other way like through the shipping container, etc. And then also after they've been roasted, we do another test to make sure that there's no

pesticides on it. And I think I might have said this last time, but we even found, which is really interesting, like the cleaning chemicals that can get used on a roasting machine could then get passed on to the coffee bean. So you could be buying an organic coffee that was shipped in a conventional sack, got covered in pesticides. and then got put through a machine that got clean with gross chemicals. And you're still told it's organic. But through that whole process, it got introduced to all these chemicals and potentially has mold, which just shows you again, like some of these things, like they're for good

reason. Organic, I think that initially it's like it's a good thing to try to be organic, to try to be fair trade. But ultimately, it's marketing. There's someone who runs the certification agency and then they'll sell you the certification for your brand or for your product, and they make money off of that. And so brands, like ours, is wanting to be like that. Like, you want to be organic. You want to be grass fed. But you actually have to dive with, if you're the brand owner, you have to dive so much deeper. To actually make sure.

To actually make sure that what you're getting doesn't have pesticides. So we drink your coffee every morning. That's the coffee I drink forever. I've drank my whole pregnancy. I've drank it before that. I think we've drinking it for like two years. And it's funny. Because when we travel, we get different coffee from the hotel. And you can, and I don't even, it's not even quality. You can taste the difference of coffee with mold and pesticides compared to your coffee. Is that weird?

Like, I can taste it. I mean, I have like a similar experience where it's like I can, I have to drink a lot less coffee if I'm not drinking Kian coffee. Because I feel way more sensitive to it. Like way more sensitive to it. It's almost like you remove all the, like, the chemicals, cleaning supplies from your house. And then you go to a hotel and it smells like, like, like the scent. Like any of those superchemical sense. Because you shouldn't really get the jitters from a clean coffee.

I never get the jitters from your coffee. I don't never get the jitters from like Keon coffee. Yeah. I mean, if you really consume like. Well, if you have a, like a ton. How many cups the coffee do you have a morning? I typically start with like one, like pretty like first. I mean, I take like all my water and my amino.

my creatine, and then I have a coffee, and then I typically have one, like maybe I'll have one mid-morning, and then maybe I'll have one, like, after lunch. So max, I'm having three. Okay. Yeah, but it could be one, it could be two. Before you go, tell us the one product that you think we should start with. I'll tell the audience my pick two, and then maybe we can do a giveaway for a bunch of products, if that's okay with you? Yeah, totally. Let's do it. Awesome. So what's the one product you would recommend to everyone? Because you have some great products. I would, I mean, if you haven't yet, I would start with aminos. I would start with aminos because I just think you'll experience, if you start taking

aminos every day and you do that for 30, 60, 90 days, like you will, you will see and experience the benefits. So it's just like, it's so clear cut. It's such a good kind of like return on like the experience. Creatine is also though, like if you're already on the aminos, think, and you're really into like trying to build more muscle. Creatine's great one. But it's tough.

Yeah. I mean, they're all good. I mean, coffee is awesome. You've been thoughtful about your products. I personally would tell everyone to go get the mango aminos. I have the travel packets and I have the tub. It's so funny because this morning Michael's like, we're out of mango aminos. He was so pissed.

He was so pissed. Yeah, he was so pissed. And like, I just love your aminos. I ride or die for your aminos. And I do this scoop of creatine with it. But also don't sleep on the coffee. Don't sleep on the coffee. Coffee is good.

If you want mold-free coffee without pesticides, I love your coffee. Thank you. That was my first how I was introduced to the brand. I know. I know. That's how you first found us. I found out about your coffee through Ben Greenfield, who raved about it, who's so particular. And he told me about it. And I bought the coffee before you came on the podcast.

And I love the coffee. So those are my key on package. What would you, you would do the mango? No, no, I would do the minos. But I like all the flavors. I'm flavor agnostic. Oh, wow. Yeah.

I like mixing it up, too. like I like doing, I like doing different flavors. Like I, she's, she's a creature of like habit routine. I'm like, well, I'll try this one if another one, if the berry, if the mango, I'll do them all. Huh. Is that how you apply to your, well, that's interesting. Yes, women as well.

Oh, I'm sorry. Is that what you're asking? Oh. I want you to be like, I'm ride or die for one thing. No, no, I like to, um, as much as much as I'd like to think that I'm like somebody that like has, you know, like, I read about all these great guys and they have, like, the same thing over and I don't, I like, I like, I like, I like, I like,

you mean like mentors or like, you know, like, you know, like, you know, like, people are like, well, they did this thing and they had the same thing for 30 years. I'm like, okay. You've literally known me since I was 12. That's different, but I'm saying like, you know. I'm his mango aminos. Like, I guess what I'm saying is if the mango amina is there and I've had it for like four days and then I see the line, like, I'm probably

going to go for the lime on day five. Yeah, you like novelty. I like novelty. I like novelty. I look the best this pregnancy and I'm I'm you really look stunning thanks and how do we get back to you do I'm just going to say maybe I walk outside and meet a new guy so you better be careful maybe you never know what can happen pregnant maybe go take a walk now and see what happens okay let's do a giveaway for a bunch of Keon products it'll be like the angelo special we'll include the coffee we'll include the mango Aminos, all the things. All you guys have to do is follow at Kian on Instagram, K-I-O-N, and then tell us your favorite part of this episode on my latest post at Lorne Bostick. We also, every time Angelio comes on,

give you guys a code. I mean, this code is, I use my own code. You can get 20% off on Kianaminos. Is it on all Kian products? It's on all Kian product. So every single Kian product, yeah. So go get the mangoaminos, the kriotene, the coffee. And you can go to get kion.com. slash skinny. Where can everyone say hi to you? I, you know, it's funny. Every time you ask me this, and I'm like, I'm just like not a big personal brand person. I'm like, I was going to ask where I can find you. Where you can find me. I mean, you have my. Yeah, we have your, no, but I have your number, but I don't have your Instagram. So you're just like, quiet. I'm on Instagram. You can find me. You can find me if you really want me. Okay. Slide into my DM so I can find you because I only follow

Kian. Thank you for coming on. Every single time, it's a plethora of information, come back. time. Thank you. I love being here. Thanks for having, or thanks for pregnancy wing. Thanks for coming. Thanks for coming on. Thank you, buddy.