The Bossticks - How To Explore & Expand Your Sexuality With Doc Johnson's Chad & Erica Braveman - Sex Toys, How To Talk About Sex, & Removing Taboos Around Sex

Episode Date: April 16, 2019

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And now Lauren Everts and Michael Bostic are bringing you alone for the ride. Get ready for some major realness. Welcome to the skinny confidential, him and her. If you really think about it, I mean, we're a little bit of like a Puritan society still, and it's kind of been shame, you know. So, I mean, I think it definitely stems from there. And then, you know, so you're talking years and years and years, hundreds of years of years of this type of behavior.

And then what, 20 years of, we kind of say, since like sex in the city, talked about it. It's like 20 years since like no, it's okay. Don't be ashamed. Don't be ashamed of your body. Don't be ashamed of wanting sex, desiring sex. And so here we are. I mean, we're in a great place. It's getting better, but we have so much time to make up for. Welcome back. Welcome back, all you little freaks. Welcome back to the skinny confidential him and her show. It's right to call you guys freaks. It just seemed appropriate. It's fitting. It's fitting for this one. Let's do, Let's do an adult disclaimer on this show. We will, but in a second, after you, if you heard that little bit of Eye of the Tiger,

it's going to make sense once you get into the interview later in this show. Guys, welcome back to the show. My name is Michael Bostic. I'm a serial entrepreneur and brand builder. Most recently, the CEO of the podcast network, Dear Media. And across from me, the lovely creator of the skinny confidential blog, brand, podcast, YouTube, and owner of Luscious New Lips, Lauren Everts. Hi, but you got to find a new word other than lovely.

Did I say lovely? Yeah, you say lovely every single. Sexy, powerful. Scrumptious. It's scrumptious. Guys, that clip was from our guests of the show today. Chad and Erica Braveman on this episode,

we're talking sex, a lot of sex, sex toys, sex in the bedroom, all sorts. And so I think it's fitting now to maybe make a little disclaimer. Definitely disclaimer. This isn't for the kids. We are going to continue to talk about hot button, you know, taboo topics. I just did an Instagram post about how I got my lips filled while I was in New York. Shout out to Dr. Lara. She's going to be coming on the podcast.

And it's really important for us to continue conversations in all different areas. So this one's very fitting. We're discussing all different kinds of sex toys. And sex toys are fun. Like, they're great. Don't listen to this with your kids in the car, though, okay? And you'll hear more about that in a second. You know, it's funny.

I was in meetings all throughout New York, meeting with brands and agencies, and everything around the podcast based, Lauren, and they always say, oh, someone said, hey, we listen to the show, and I say, oh, Jesus Christ, which one did they, which I wonder which one they heard, because if it's one of the ones where we're talking marketing and branding, I'm like, perfect. I can't be boring. You know what? I always have to throw in like a little flare, and so this one's super fitting for me.

We talked about, I learned about the lightsaber. Did you know what that, Michael? I did learn. We learned about it on the show. I know. I feel like tonight you should bend over and I should light saber you. Or we could just give it to Taylor and he can do some weird shit with it. Taylor, you and Taylor can go test that out later without me. So guys, yes, this one, listen,

I don't know why we keep having to do these disclaimers. I don't know what's happening to our show. But again, if there's any children, kids, or even if yourself, if you're a little squeamish, a little bit, not into the, go back and listen to some of the more, what do you call them, Lauren? Dip your toe in. Yeah, but if you don't want to, listen, if this type of subject gets you a little bit nervous, there's plenty, listen, we got 200 of these fucking things now. Yeah, there's lots of different topics. I always say that our podcast is a bag of checks mix. You never know what you're going to get when you pull it out. It's a medley of things, okay? We never want you to get used to our content. We always want to keep it evolved. Do you know what I

mean? Taylor, how would you describe this episode? It's probably his favorite one. It was very interesting. And number one, I myself have used a sex toy before as I, as in the interview I mentioned. Again, I'm not in the interview, but I chime in here and there. And I talk about the fleshlight. So I've experienced with sex toys. And I know that girls like it, guys like it. But it's one of the, I think they do a really good job of addressing the kind of taboo subject that people don't like to actually discuss that they do. I thought it was really interesting and I think

everybody will probably walk away with some value. Okay. We asked you if you liked the episode. I don't know if you needed to go into that tangent, but I'm glad you did. Thank you for sharing with us that you've used a flashlight. That was a very hot piece of information. One thing that I thought was funny though, now since preemptively I've listened to the episode is in the opening

he talks about if you're just getting into masturbation and he's mentioned, specifically talking about a male product. And after going through the episode and editing it, I was thinking to myself, I wonder how many people are this late in life and just now kind of getting into masturbation because I myself would consider myself a pro.

And most people my age probably is. All right, you know, cutting you off again. Cutting you off out. So again, guys, listen, we clearly, you know, we get some feet of... I've never heard someone say I would consider myself a pro in masturbation. I still, to this day, take time with Lauren,

to title our episodes, very clear, put in the description. So again, if you're somebody who's a little bit squeamish, doesn't like some topics around sex or some taboos subjects. I think our audience can handle it. I think most of our audience can. But if you can't, now is the time to get off the train because this thing is going off the rails. We're going off the rails. Guys, okay, let's introduce Chad and Erica Braveman. They are the siblings and founders with their father behind the brand, the online sex brand. Doc Johnson is a California-based sex toy company. It was founded in 1976 by Ron Braveman at the helm. It is run by Ron Braveman and his son Chad Braveman.

On this episode, we're talking to all things sex, sex toys, the business behind sex toys, and the sex industry. Guys, this conversation is another interesting conversation hosted by yours truly, the skinny confidential him and her host, Lauren and me. Enjoy, enjoy, and get ready for a wild ride. Guys, before we jump into this interesting life change, changing interview. I want to talk to you about Skillshare. And you know what else I want to talk to you about? I want to out Lauren here a little bit and talk about some of the secrets behind how Lauren produces her Instagram stories and Instagram story feed. And that's from a little platform called After Effects that she learned and her team learned on Skillshare. All right, guys. So Skillshare is an

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So I just put some of this liquid vibrator on my lips. I'm buzzing. I'm doing all right. Do you feel it? I feel it a little bit. I'm turned on. What's a little, we're getting a little stinger before we started recording. Guys, we're in the studio with a dynamic duo here.

Erica and Chad Bravement of Doc Johnson. This is going to be a fun episode. Yeah. Yeah, this is going to be a fun episode. You know when delos and vibrators and a lights, what is it called again? A stinger? This is a stinger. Stinger.

An electro stinger. Describe this to our audience so they can really get a full visual. Well, Taylor just said that it looked like a lightsaber. I think that's a pretty good explanation. It has like a nice big handle with just like a simple like one touch button. And then basically you're going to use this for like sensory play. So it has like a sound. It has a look to it.

Like you see the actual spark, but it's not going to hurt you or anything like that. So it's just a lot of sensory play. But sometimes we want to be hurt. So if you hold it long enough, like maybe it gives you a little sting. If you hold the button down, you can get a little bit more current. But definitely this one is built for sensory play. There's a lot of like electro-stem stuff out on the market. And there's stuff that you can turn way up and you can do like the cattle prod play.

But this one was built as sort of an introductory to BDSM and a little bit more advanced. than just like a beginner beginner, but someone that's definitely down to like do some sensory play. How do you know if you're a beginner? Well, I mean, I guess you know, have you done it before? And like, what are you into and like what have you tried? Because you're a beginner. Well, you're a beginner at so many different levels, right? So I mean, like you could be a beginner to masturbation when you've never masturbated before.

So there's like products that I would suggest for people who are just starting out masturbating. But if you're going to talk about BDSM specifically, have you been tied up before? for, have you been blindfolded? Sensory play and stuff like that, I think, is the biggest sort of, like, intro into BDSM. Totally. Sort of the DOM subworld of, like, commands and things like that. And then from there, you know, there's hog tying. So maybe you've had, like, the silk, you know, cuffs or something like that, but you've

never actually been, like, hog tied. So that's a little bit more advanced. Can you explain specifically what hog tying is? Well, and I'll show you later what hog tying is. So I can do it to Michael tonight. Yeah, I mean, hog tying simply put is just basically bounding the arms and the legs together and then connecting those two. Oh, you're going to be behind the back. Well, we did this morning.

Behind the back. It's kind of like the, it can be in the front too. It's kind of like the barbecue pig. Taylor, have you been hogtied? I have never been hogtied, but I've been getting a lot of visuals. It's like the, what is it, the movie deliverance where they go squeal. Exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's it.

Except we like to put like a positive connotation on it. Taylor, don't pop a boner over there, okay? We can't be doing anything weird. Taylor, a cute professional on this episode, okay? There's like glass windows here, so. So, okay, let's take it way back. How did you guys get started in doctrines? From what I understand, and correct me if I'm wrong,

this is a family business? Your father started it, is this correct? Yeah, family company. Our dad, Ron, started in 1976. He started off in Europe, where they're a lot more liberal about sex, and he brought it to America because, really, there wasn't a herotic market at the time. Sex toys were like in a plastic bag on a shelf with like other novelties But he wanted to brand it and bring it here and have most of the products made in America

I mean what a unique industry I think you guys have fun at work every single day I mean it's definitely more interesting than what a lot of my friends do I guess You know I mean we get to talk about fun stuff I mean we make you know a really interesting product and at the end of the day it's a business and it's got to run You know well and it's it's got to be successful but the product development meetings are more interesting than sort of your normal run-on-the-mill. So, yeah, I mean, it's a lot of fun. So when you guys have a product, I'm assuming you bring it to a meeting, does everyone at the table try it?

Like, walk me through what that looks like. No, so, I mean, we have, you know, somewhere between like a five-and-10-person product development team for different people that might be involved in those meetings. Sometimes it's salespeople, marketing, you know, and then our product development and our R&D team. but we're always talking about products that we already have on the market, how we can make them better or new products that we want to actually introduce to the market. So people, you know, within those meetings, we obviously have a very open conversation about what the product's for, why we're developing it, who's going to use it?

And then if you take a look at those people, you're going to find people that kind of maybe are more interested in certain things and they will try it. They will, you know, report back like what they found because for us, it's about like, how does the product work? Did you find it to be friendly to, like, use? It's not necessarily about, like, did it get you off? Because everyone's different with what gets them off. So we're not looking for, like, the best, like, overall, like, oh, it made me orgasm as hard as possible.

It's like, we're looking a little bit more internally about, like, how did you use the product and was it friendly? There's nothing worse when I got a vibrator in the mail the other day and it didn't come with the battery. I know. Because you want to use it. Was it rechargeable, though? No, it was just a little pocket rocket. So rechargeable is hot right now. Which I should also say that I use a pocket rocket on my face, too.

Have you ever heard of this? Oh, by the way, a friend of mine just told me that the other day. Like, I saw her put it on her Instagram. And I wrote her back and I'm like, that's a pocket rocket. Like, that's my vibrator. Yeah. The pink one. Well, ours isn't pink.

I mean, that particular item that I saw is kind of like one that's being sold on Amazon is kind of a knockoff. item of the original pocket rocket rocket the original pocket rocket's made in Japan okay it's actually a really like well built item but it's the same look you know so it's the same concept and yeah she was using it on her face and I texted her and I'm like that's my pocket rocket like a jade roller is this I did a whole blog oh no this isn't it I did a whole blog post on using a vibrator on your face you buy one for down there and one for up there maybe you're not doing some maybe not doing new vibrators well you could just use this one what is this called that is the I roll so

Sorry, the I rock. You're going to get a lot of facial stimulation with that thing. One of the things that we love doing on this show is maybe taking some, I don't want to call this taboo, but taking some subjects where you know there's people are interested. Like the topic of sex is always interesting. But bringing topics to light that are maybe not talked about as much mainstream. You guys have so much data and so much insight because you have your e-com store and a director-to-consumer of a massive amount of users and customers doing this stuff. What do you typically see in those customers? Are they people that are more comfortable talking about sex?

Is it people that are still a little bit shy about it? Like, how have you seen this whole sex space kind of evolve over the last 30 years? Well, it's definitely gotten more mainstream, but people, by and large, don't talk about it. They're not posting on social with their new vibrator, no matter how cute it is. Unless they're using it on their face. Unless they're using it on their face, correct? I posted mine on social. Which is amazing.

I mean, there's really nothing that should be taboo about these products still. I mean, they bring pleasure to people's lives, enhance, you know, relationships. Why do you think that is that we're so shy to talk about sex as a society? I mean, we're not. I mean, I think in America more than anywhere else in the world that I, I mean, I travel all over the world for work. And I mean, it's way more taboo here than it is anywhere else. I mean, outside of like South America and stuff like that. But it's, I mean, you know, if you really think about it, I mean, we're a little bit of like,

Puritan society still and it's kind of been shamed. I mean, especially women, like women have been shamed for so long about their bodies, about their sexual experience, about their sexual desires, you know, so I mean, I think it definitely stems from there. And then, you know, so you're talking years and years and years, hundreds of years of this type of behavior. And then, what, 20 years of, we kind of say since like sex in the city talked about it. It's like, 20 years since like, no, it's okay. Don't be ashamed. Don't be ashamed of your body. Don't be ashamed of wanting sex, desiring sex. And so here we are. I mean, we're in a great place. It's getting better, but we have so much time to make up for. I am so about opening this conversation on all my

platforms and talking about sex. Everyone's having sex. Like, what is the big deal? I hope that women are way more comfortable walking into a store and buying a vibrator for themselves. with their husband or their boyfriend or their girlfriend or whatever the fuck it is. Totally. I really hope that we can continue to bring on people like you guys to open these conversations. I want to know if my audience is listening, our audience, and they want to start somewhere with a toy, what the toy is that you would recommend. That's a great question.

To pop the cherry. Like together or like solo? Let's do solo and then let's also do together. Okay. A pocket rocket is a great intro vibrator. That's what I started. with guys. Small clitoral doesn't go inside, so that's a good gateway. Get it in pink to keep it on brand. Totally.

Easy to use, very strong, discreet. So if you're still a little bit shy about it or if someone were to find it in the house, you could just always say it's your facial massager. Guys, say it's your facial massager. You know, so like that, I think that's the number one sort of intro to vibrator is the pocket rocket. For a guy, I would say a stroker. You know, I mean, What's a stroker? Michael, do you have a stroker? I don't think so. Maybe I would do now.

You will after today. We do. Yeah, I mean, this is like a nondescript stroker. Taylor, calm down. Obviously, we make them anatomically correct as well. Wow. This is amazing. I've never seen this.

Wait, can I use this on Michael or is it something he would use? Oh, no. A lot of couples play with it together. Wait, this is amazing, you guys. It's like... Especially for our anatomical ones. It's like, I've definitely heard couples, and it's a really interesting. way to like bring someone else into the bedroom without necessarily bringing a real person.

It's an anatomical one that looks like a, yeah, that we've molded from a performer. Okay. Um, so. I have a, no, you guys, it looks like the caterpillar from Alice in Wonderland. And inside is like, um, kind of like little bumps. Like massage beads. Yeah. And it feels kind of like a, remember those things that you used to put your fingers in?

Those Chinese. Oh, the Chinese finger torture. Yeah. No, but it was like gel. It was like gel. It was like gel. No, isn't that what it was called? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, I know what you're talking about. The ones that, like, slipped out of your hands.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Totally. That's what that feels like. Yeah. So that's a toy that you would recommend bringing in the bedroom with your husband or boyfriend. I would recommend, I mean, for sure, no question. But I mean, originally I was saying as like for, there's not as, it's funny, there's not as many products for men.

It's true. Out there as there are for women, especially because for most of the time in our industry, it was like men were the buyers and women weren't really doing it because they didn't feel as comfortable. but if you look today, there's hundreds, thousands and thousands of products made specifically for women, but there's not a lot made for men. So I would say all guys masturbate. So get a stroker.

It has like extra stimulation and it's something that you can use. It has an amazing material. So it's going to feel really good. But you can definitely use that with your partner. This was a conversation that I saw in my Facebook group. People were asking, is it bad? They said that they caught their husband masturbating. and I went in and said, I think all men masturbate,

personally for me, I think that's healthy for my husband to be masturbating. Oh, definitely. So can you talk on that? You said all men masturbate. And I want to take it. You want me to talk about it? I want to dig into that. Okay.

Come on. I mean, it's healthy to masturbate. It's definitely embarrassing to get caught. There's no question. I've never caught you, honey. Listen, because it's embarrassed. I'm not embarrassed of masturbation, but like, listen, you don't want to walk in on me when I'm, you know, in the vinegar strokes.

Sometimes there's the, The woo and the cocoa butter next to the computer and you know what's been going on. It all depends on how guys masturbate too. I mean, I've only been caught once, but it was like, I imagine from those eyes, it was not a pretty sight. Taylor, have you been caught masturbating? I haven't, but you know what I will say? I actually did at one point in my life own a fleshlight, and I'm sure you're familiar with that. No, I don't know that company.

What is that? Who are they? Never heard about that. I know. I know, but for those listening that don't know, it's supposed to be this concealable. I'm pretty sure they know what it is. Yeah, yeah. We don't need to go into your...

Before you buy it, you think that it's small, but it's not. It looks nothing like a flashlight. This thing is massive. No, so I am going to... I'm going to plug something real quick just because of that story. But so we agree with you 100%. We developed, like, two years ago, a line called main squeeze. It's the same type of concept in the sense of, like, it's a discreet case masturbator,

but ours has a squeeze functionality to it. So it's not just a hard case, and it's also a lot smaller. because that item is like the size of this box and you don't need to masturbate the size of this box and I always think it's funny because they think it like looks like a flashlight and so like it's discreet but like it doesn't and it doesn't turn on but nonetheless

I think that also one of the things that we talked about earlier was like what's good about a masturbator is like training for guys because I know a lot of guys deal with you know some sexual hangups about maybe like ejaculation or like premature ejaculation or erectile dysfunction So a good thing to do with a masturbator because it does provide more sensation and more stimulation is to use it to kind of train yourself. And that would be like edging. I don't know if you guys know.

Oh, well, now that you mentioned it, so a couple podcasts back, probably like 300 podcasts back actually. We did a podcast with Taylor where he talked about how he, Taylor, what would you call it? Edging. No, no, no. He was a one-minute man. Oh, yeah, premature ejaculation. Yes. So what advice do you have for Taylor in that arena?

I edge the fuck out of that flashlight. Oh, God. I'm going to give you, Taylor, I'm going to give you our special endurance trainer that we do in our main squeeze line because it's kind of designed specifically. And it also comes with an instructional booklet, like, you know, information on how to edge properly. What is edging for people that don't know what that is? So edging is when a man will stimulate himself. and try to bring himself to like the brink of ejaculation, but before the point of no return to stop. Completely, you know, stop touching yourself.

No more stimulation at all. Guys can kind of press like right underneath their testicles. There's like a little tube right there and guys can press hard on that sometimes and also help themselves relax. And then basically take as much time as you need before you start to restimulate yourself again. and then basically rents and repeat. That is a sight that I do not want to walk into Taylor doing. My favorite edging song to listen to is that's amazing.

I had the tiger. Wow, that's so aggressive. I will never listen to that song again. Taylor, you are a dark individual, my friend. Taylor, I like you. No, Taylor's fun. If there's a edge training course, Taylor, I will pay for you to go to the edge training course.

I will put you in there. One thing we were talking about before we started getting into all this was there's a lot of women that want to bring, maybe toys into the bedroom, but the man in the relationship is maybe a little bit insecure. And we've seen messages like that where it's like, hey, you know, the man says, hey, I don't need this. Maybe it attacks their masculinity a little bit. I'd like to kind of remove that taboo and talk to some women and men that are listening and talk about how it's okay. And it doesn't, I mean, I feel personally it doesn't take anything away from my manhood, but a lot of men do feel

that way. Can you speak on that little bit? Well, you also have a big personality. I have a lot of personality. But yeah, no, but you know what I'm saying? Yeah, no, for sure. I mean, we hear it all the time. I mean, it's cliche now, but I do think we've been saying it for longer than anybody, but the couple that plays together stays together. You know, I hear it a lot, and people find out what I do, you know, somewhere and they'll be

like, oh, I want to talk to you about something. And it kind of, if it's a woman, a lot of times, it's that. Like, I want to bring something into the bedroom. I mean, what I tell them is, what's your sexual relationship like now, you know, if there's never been any toys brought into the bedroom, then like, start small. Like, yeah, I mean, I would say, don't start with, you know, an anal toy or, you know, maybe even a dildo, right? Until, you know, your boyfriend or your husband that you've never played with before, like, I want DP tonight. I mean, let's work there, right? And so, like, we talk about a pocket rocket a lot as being

a great introductory toy. Like, the man can hold it. It's small. It's discreet. The world. woman can hold it. It just provides clitoral stimulation. So the man is still, you know, doing penetration and having, you know, vaginal sex the way that he's used to, maybe. And then he's going to see, I mean, what I always find is the guys that are nervous about it or have anxiety about it, when they see their woman in have that much pleasure during their sexual experience and orgasm the way they can orgasm with sort of like the blended orgasm of clitoral and vaginal stimulation. then they're just like they're hooked and then they want toys forever. And then they're calling me and being like, send me this, send me that, send me this,

send me this, send me this, going on our website and just being like, here's what I want, here's my list, you know, and also what else should I do? I mean, sometimes you got to bring in the reinforcements, you know what I mean? Totally. Why not? Yeah, I mean, everyone's going to have a performance issue here and there or whatever, but it's also just about like fun. Like, we're in the business of like pleasure and fun.

We want you to enjoy yourself as much as possible. I mean, if you talk about, again, with men, I said every guy drinks off, but the only The other thing that every man does is orgasm. Like, guys always orgasm. Women don't. Like, I don't know what the latest study is, but I mean, it's about 37% of women who can only come from clitoral simulation. You know? And then there's 15% of women who never orgasm without the use of a toy or oral or other things like that, right?

So, you know, the difference between men and women in that way is so huge that, like, you should bring things into the bedroom that are going to help you. because at the end of the day, that's what you're there for, right? You're there for pleasure. You're there for connection. And what's a better connection than both of you guys having, like, the most heightened experience that you can? Well, I think that's really important for men to understand. It's a lot of times.

And for women to be vocal about with their men, it's like you might not have the ability to orgasm just from, you know, penetration. You might need clitoral stimulation. And if a guy is not so well versed in that, bringing these things into the bedroom can help him get there. We've been talking about a lot of fun things here, a lot of toys. You know what else goes well with toys, Lauren? What, Michael?

Sex toys, particularly. Woo, more play. A great addition to the bedroom and a great addition to these products. Michael, it was a great addition to your suitcase this weekend in New York City. I never failed to leave the house without wood. Why do you have the biggest grin on your face? Because it makes me happy. It makes everyone else happy.

and, you know, for all of our loyal woo fans out there, you know what I'm talking about. You can eat it, lick it, suck it, it, fuck it, and it smells good, it tastes good. It tastes like a cupcake. If you haven't tried Woo More Play, you're missing out. I mean, you can keep it on your vanity and no one will know. It's anything. I mean, it's just so chic. Sometimes we get some messages, hey, does this come in discrete packaging?

You better believe it. Shit, keep it next to your toothbrush and your ritual vitamins. But even if it didn't come in discrete packaging, it looks good on your vanity for all the people. Michael, it looks. Michael thinks it looks good on your vanity. It looks good other places, too. Guys, you got to test this thing out. This is tried and true. Product developed, product tested.

Taylor, what do you think? Girls love it. Guys love it. Use it. Enjoy it. Well, Taylor. Not with that haiku. We don't. Yes, not with that haiku.

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Thank us later. Give us a little feedback on the social account. I see all you guys watching it, but not a lot of you talking about it. Let's be a little bit more vocal about it. Toys have something that men cannot do with their penis. I mean, petuses don't vibrate. Yeah, what the fuck? Your penises all don't vibrate.

You know what? What's up with that? Yeah, what is up with us? Yeah, I hope it vibrates. I told you. I'm waiting for the robot. I don't think there's anything wrong with toys. I've been bringing toys into the bedroom since high school.

Nice. I mean, like, have fun with it. Yeah, me too. There shouldn't be some stigma about it. Totally agree. And also, like, there's so many different ones now, too. What is this one in front of me? Can you explain this one to the audience?

So the Trist. The Trist is a multi-purpose vibrator for couples, and it's also good for solo play. But it goes either, like, external, internal, around the penis is a vibrating cock ring, waterproof, rechargeable silicone. Waterproof rechargeable silicone. These things are getting complex. So like all three of these, I don't know if we can see that. I'm just going to rip this box open.

We have do not steal stickers. I have the diagram. So there's people that come in and try to steal sex toys. I'm sure. Oh, yeah. Really? Taylor. So all three of these pleasure points vibrate.

So both of these ears vibrate and this vibrates as well. So a man can wear it like over his penis like this. these ears can vibrate the clitoris while this can also vibrate if you want it to it's independent controls so this can actually stimulate a man's testicles while he's wearing it he can also wear it this way so it curves around a little bit more and then you have like this large bump that would vibrate the woman's clitoris and then a woman could use this internally she could use it just for clitoral stimulation either way use it for a nipple stimulation as well nice and a man can use it as well just while masturbating.

Taylor, make sure we put the video clips up of this when we put this out to use this. This is the number one selling item at Doc Johnson right now. Really? Yeah. We have to link this too in the show notes for you guys to see. I would not guess that. That's interesting. Look, we have a lot of, we have 20, 2,000 skews, right?

So we have a lot of products that cover almost every single category in the pleasure product industry. But so we look at it in a lot of different ways. Like what we, we break it down categorically a lot more than. than most people do that just have a few skews. But like, for instance, this is just our number one in terms of volume right now. We have other ones that are in terms of, like, revenue

and sales and things like that. But in terms of just sheer volume, the trist is number one. I want to get specific with something. What is the key to a amazing, intense blowjob? Like, and I want to get specific. Yeah. No, this, I'm doing.

That's not where I thought you were going. I'm 100% honest with the idea. I am taking one for the team, all my guy friends. And I want you to give us specifics to an amazing blowdrop. And you can include toys or no toys, just like the best BJ ever. And Taylor, you can thank me later. I feel like you should give your answer as I imagine someone who's given them.

And then I'll give my answer as someone who's only received. I have a couple tips at my sleeve. And then we can, yeah, so we can just kind of go around the table. Michael, do you have any? You know what's so funny about this show? This started as a. Who's given, who's received? It's a very business-minded focus show.

Now we are going deep into blow jobs. I'm all about it. This show is like a check mix. You never know what you're going to get. Yeah, that's for sure. So BJs, I feel like sensory play is a really great kind of a way to spice it up. You know, put a blindfold on him. Make it so that he doesn't know what's happening next.

In terms of actual toys, we have a good headline of products that are all about spicing up oral sex. man and woman. This one, the deep throat spray, is good for gag reflex if you're trying to deep throat him. I think saliva is really important, too. Little lube. A little lube spice things up. Yes. Lickable, edible.

Yeah. Lube, good. I concur with everything she just said. Yeah, I thought the century play was great. My answer is definitely more boring than hers, but I think it kind of goes for a lot of different sexual things. the same for me is two things is like letting go you know so I think like sometimes with oral sex both male and female is like have confidence in it and just like let go and don't be like afraid to like let loose with it so like make it sloppy make it wet like you know do all these sorts of

things yeah we all know what it is I mean come on we're all you know aware of everything that we see and there's and porn is so much more prevalent these days and whatnot but I mean like let go a little bit more you know, don't feel like it's something. Don't be a none. Don't be a none. And then the next would be, and this goes for everything, that's such a blanket answer, but it's like communication. Like, are you with someone that you've given a lot of blow jobs to?

What do you like? Like, do you like me to tickle your balls? Do you want me to play with your balls? Do you want me to put a finger in your ass? I mean, these are things that you can do that are definitely going to heighten orgasm or going to heighten sensation. But communication is key.

Like, don't do it if maybe you're not 100% sure that this particular guy you're with is going to be accepting. Here's what you guys should do if you're out there listening and you're maybe with your husband. Put this podcast on while you're doing your makeup and play it really, really loud. I need some good head. We get you some wet head. Do we have it? No?

Oh, man. Taylor, do you agree with all those BJ tips? 1,000 percent. Honestly, I couldn't agree even more. Taylor, what are you doing back there? I love Taylor. Where is Taylor? Taylor, do you have any other tips?

Tara's like, keep talking about it. That's like the, what is it? the trifecta. Okay, I have a tip that, like, I think the balls are so important and I think they're neglected. I agree completely. Look, I'm a, I'm big on that for sure. I'm a ball guy. I think deep down we're all ball guys. I think so, you know, but that's what I do know some guys who are like, you know, I don't want that. I want the two-handed gawk gawk special, you know, and like, you can't do that if you're going to, you know, one hands, you know, with the boys. Lisa Renna taught me the coin, the twist in coin trick.

She wrote about that. I think you should clarify her book. Yeah, okay. Her book taught me. You take your hand in a coin. I feel like I need to do this like on Instagram story or something. And then you grip really tight and then you twist. Well, you got to do a flick of the wrist.

Yeah, I feel like I didn't know that was like it had a name. But yeah, totally. Yeah, the coin. Okay. I thought of a fourth one. This is important. Nice. This is, again, this is.

Again, this may sound creepy, but everybody should probably try it, is eye contact. The girl in eye contact while giving a BJ. I think it depends. Done. Yeah, all right. It's okay. He's like only 45 seconds if she looks at me. Yeah, it's the best 30 seconds of relay.

I'm going to send you home after this interview. I don't want to see you the rest of the day. Okay, so since we talked about BJs, let's talk about going down on a girl. What are some really great tips? Turn this up if your husbands or girlfriends or whatever are listening. Be comfortable with it. it. You know, it's all about her pleasure. Don't think about it too much. It's supposed to be fun. And, again, communication is so key here. Listen, like, talk to each other. Tell him what she likes,

you know, have him talk to her and ask her questions, see what she's into and then do it. That was my, that was my, that was, I mean, I said it. I say the same thing for a lot of the different sexual acts, but what I'll say on this particular one for sure, if I'm just going to add something to it is, just go softer. Like at least in the beginning, just a lot of guys, I feel like go down there. Yeah, they're like, too much. It's like, whoa, calm down. Just like right from the jump, you know.

So like definitely with that, especially you don't, I don't know, I'm not going to speak for all women, but make sure that they're comfortable. Make sure that they're, you know, wet that you've done some other four play things as well that are going to get them excited and get them ready. I'm not, no. Okay, keep going. Girls are going to be calling in. No, I'm happily married. Okay. But yeah, so just go softer in the beginning, like start out, tease a little bit, get her excited.

And you'll know, like you know when a woman is more ready and more accepting of what you're about to do and is ready for you to start going a little bit more aggressively, you know, towards that point. But like, that's the one thing I would tell guys. Michael and Taylor, do you have any tips? Things are getting hot and spicy here. So before we get into that, let me tell you about ritual. Let me also tell you about my hangover that I had today. It was a bleak hangover. We were in New York all last week, and there was a lot of drinking and socializing and just

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let's get back to everything sex toys. Taylor, listen to these tips. No, I think, no, I think everything you're saying spot on.

What I think is important is a lot of men and women are uncomfortable talking about this type of stuff, so they don't give themselves an opportunity to educate themselves around this. We've been fortunate enough to have conversations like this on the podcast, on and offline.

And so it's, you know, it's constantly learning and evolving in the space. And I think we work on improving in so many other areas of our lives, our business, all these things, but like, there's not a lot to talk about improving in the bedroom. And so-

Because people aren't talking. Exactly. That's what it comes down to. Like you, like I said, like you want to be happy there. Like so many people I think are in not just, forget sexless relationships, but in like bad sex relationships. Because like with the person that they're supposed to share stuff with, they keep that intimate stuff like, they avoid it.

Yep. You know, and it's like, so a woman's going down, you know, her husband's going down and her boyfriend's going down and they've been together for how many years and like she doesn't like it. It's like because she's never said like, hey, you know what I really like? You know, and there's a way to have that conversation, right? It's like a way of positive communication versus negative communication. Like, you know, it's like, oh, that'll never do it for me, you know?

But it's more like, you know, hey, you know what? I would really like love for you to try. Like do something like that where you're kind of like saying like, hey, let's just try this. And then most guys will start to understand, right? And the same for women as well. There's a way to have a positive communication about it so that like you're happier in the bedroom. Yeah, I agree.

When Michael, so Michael and I met when we were 12. No way. Yeah. And so when we were in high school, I remember you told. I was a sexual rock star back then. No, just kidding. I wasn't. You're like a fine wine.

You've aged. I've aged. Most guys do. You said, you told me that when we were little. I remember this. I think we were like 14. You said that the way you learned about where a clit was is that your, your dad or Google told you it was the man in the little boat.

I'm pretty sure it wasn't my dad. Do you remember that? Yeah, I remembered that, but I don't remember where I found that out. Probably, I was a little perved back then, for sure, for sure. Wait, have you guys been together that long? No. No. We'd have to be at Doc Johnson a lot.

You've heard that old joke? There's the woman, and she's on her deathbed in the hospital. It's kind of a dark joke, but it's kind of relevant. And she's there, and it's maybe her last night, and the doctor comes in and says, you know, you've got to come in and say goodbye to your wife. She comes in, he says, you know, Betty, what, you know, what can I do with your last night? And she goes, you know, Bill, we've been. together this whole time and it always been a little prude and I want you like last day on earth

I want you to go down to me I want you to eat my pussy he goes damn okay so he does it goes down she has a great time he goes home just waiting for the phone call three in the morning gets a phone of us okay this must be the doctor calling to say my wife's gone calls back at this doctor bill you won't believe this but your wife she's making a full recovery what the fuck heads down the hospital gets there she's laying sure enough why awake feeling good. He starts tears in his eyes. She goes, oh, my God, Bill.

Are you crying because you're so happy that I'm going to live? He goes, no, I'm crying because I could have saved Mom. Oh, my God. His jokes aren't the best. They're a little. I didn't know where that was going. It is dark. No, if you are around him for a while and he's drinking, like, he will tell you these

jokes till he's blue in the face. Incest jokes before 11 a.m. Yeah, incest. We need rosé. All we need is rosé. My dad did tell me that one, so thanks for that. Our dad thinks he invented the butt plug, so. Yeah, tell us.

Tell him on air that he didn't invent the what plug. Tell us about your dad. Ron is, yeah. I mean, he's, I was having this conversation with something the other day. He's a fly on the wall character. Like, you need to just see him when he doesn't necessarily know. Like, if he thinks he's performing, then maybe not so much, but just his, like, natural, like, the way he is. is like out of control.

And give context to the audience of how you're involved with your dad. What do you mean? Like, oh, we work together? Yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, so Ron founded the company and, you know, in 1976. And I started there, I started working there every single summer going into eighth grade. Wow.

So, like, one year before I was in high school, he basically, like, he grew up like normal, just like working his whole every summer as a kid and whatnot. And he just said to me, he goes, you don't have to work for me, but you have to work for someone. That's good advice. So I said, well, I'd rather work for you because I feel like I'm definitely going to get some perks out of it. I don't want to go to work for someone else. Tell us some stories about when you used to work there. 15 years old, your hormones are raging.

How is that? 15 years old, I'm walking through their dildos and masturbators everywhere. And, you know, I'm just like, I used to put like, I remember one time he called me in his office. I took like this, you know, the fragile stickers that go on like boxes. We have those obviously. And I put one like over my like crotch area. and was like walking around and thought I was so cool. And he like called me in his office and he's like, you can't do that.

Like this is a this is a place of business. I feel like maybe you stole a couple things at 15. Oh, stole. I actually found, God, so gross. I found like a shoe box a couple of years ago, like three or four years ago. That was like at my house, like in my room that like I had. It was like some masturbator, like definitely like a good head mint. like gel. You guys probably have people lined up for you though. People are probably lined up. It's fun. Birthdays are fun. Yeah, birthdays are fun. What's that like? Our friends have gotten so spoiled, right? Yeah, I mean, I just sent, I like to send not just the stuff I love, but like I also send like the 18 inch like dildo.

You know, because I feel like they're not going to throw it away because like they feel rude about doing it. So then like the fist or like the dick ramble. bone ends up, like, sitting in their home for, like, five years. Michael, tell them about our game that we play with the big, huge pink dildo. Yeah, there's this, there's one we, it's in the house hidden somewhere. We hide it all around the place. Lauren tries to always put in my bag before we go through the airport. Oh, she did. It's huge.

It's literally like this big. It's like a foot and a half long. It probably is one of yours. And we hide it in each other's shit. Is it a double dildo? Like a double dong? It's, I mean, it looks like a horse's cock. Okay.

But pink. Yeah, but it's on brand. Yeah. I love that. So we just hide it in the most random places. I want him to open it at like work or something. People wondering, like, this is maybe a side sort of the conversation. How large is this industry?

Because I think that would help give some context, like, how many people are involved in this space? Yeah. I mean, the numbers that are reported, I mean, almost 99.9% of the companies in our industry are privately held companies. But the numbers that are reported these days is about a $15 billion industry. So, I mean, there's more companies than ever. I mean, when Ron started in 70s. I mean, he was one of three companies.

I mean, the only one manufacturing in America. I mean, still is, really. But, you know, it was all demand, no supply. I mean, he just blew up year after year after year after year, just like exponentially, like, growth was like through the roof and like anything he made just like sold immediately. We'll buy it, whatever it is. You know, and he's just making all this stuff. He doesn't even know, you know, just like, oh, okay, we'll do this. We'll do it in nine sizes, you know, whatever.

But today there's so many companies, so much competition. And so like- Yeah, it's great. Yeah, it's great. I love it. But it's a huge, it's a huge business. I think I think competition makes you better. Exactly.

For sure. It has helped us, enabled us, motivated us to come out with products that are even more on point for the demand. Yeah. And I think for an industry like ours, what I like about it is like I'll pat Doc Johnson and Ron on the back forever. Like we've opened so many doors for people. to come into this business for just to have this conversation in general. I mean, you know, Ron's done time for this business, you know, like he's gone to jail for this business.

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. I want to hear about that. Well, like, back in the day, I mean, this was, you know, obscene, like obscenity laws. And if you were shipping products somewhere where there were zoning laws that it wasn't permitted or whatnot. And, you know, I mean, Ron started a foundation with other people in the industry called the FSC, which is the Free Speech Coalition. And, I mean, it's a great organization that, like, fights for the rights of people in our

industry, both on the video. the performer side and on like the novelty side. So I mean, you know, he's like blood sweat and tears. Like there's no question. That is so wild to think about that. Like just because you're talking about sex back then or selling products. It's still today. I mean, J.P. Morgan kicked me out of their bank.

I can't bank with J.P. Morgan. I mean, there's no one in our industry can. Purely because it's sex. Yeah. Because that's where your money comes from. If you make money from the adult business, you can't do business at J.P. Morgan. I mean, you can't do it. I'm going to call them.

I'm going to call them. I'm going to call them out only because they closed my account personally, but that goes for a lot of other banks to Bank of America, Wells Fargo, like a lot of these different banks, a lot of insurances, like we can't get... And what's their reasoning? It's just purely because it's adults. Yeah, it's adult. Yeah.

And then there's people that you do business with, too, that do business with other major companies that don't want, they can't take on your work. So whether that's packaging or, you know, your corrugated boxes. Like the credit card processing or is it because purely it's sex? No, it's purely just it's the adult. business. Okay, here's what you should do. You should send a huge box. I'm talking huge, as big as this table, to J.P. Morgan, with every different color dildo in it. And you should say exo, Doc Johnson. XO, XO, XO, XO. Yeah, 100%. I'll do it. Yeah. But I mean, we're still dealing with that stuff.

But what I was saying was like, we opened a lot of doors, but what I love about the competition today is like, they're opening doors too, you know. And when someone opens a door for your industry, like you all walk through it. So there's companies that have, and coming out that are like great companies and like make beautiful product or are doing something that no one else is doing. And so they continue the conversation. And now we're at a point where like, again, everyone's helping each other a little bit. And we're just making this whole industry bigger and more mainstream.

And that's only going to benefit all of us that are doing what we're supposed to be doing. Let me ask you this. Are there any, we were talking about fetishes earlier offline. Is there anything that you guys think is too far or that you won't touch? You're like, hey, that's not healthy or that could hurt somebody. Is there stuff that you guys just won't get involved in? Anything non-consensual is too far. 100%.

Yeah, I mean. Beyond that. Yeah, anything non-consensual and then obviously would, if you're hurting somebody, but it's not consensual, you know, that's too far. But I think seeing what I've seen, being a little bit more involved in not just the business, but also we did a partnership with kink.com like three or four years ago, the largest BDSM fetish online content provider in the world. and just seeing more of the stuff that they do,

actually having my eyes opened to parts of the world that I didn't really know existed. You know, whatever floats someone's boat, you know, at the end of the day, if you're doing it, if you're interested in it and you're too consenting adults, then like, and it's not illegal. Like, have fun, you know? I mean, for me personally, there's a lot of shit I'm not going to do.

Like, I'm not into the electric. Like, even this, like the stinger, like, I'm cool with this, but like I'm not into like the electro stuff and stuff like that. Like, I hate being shocked. Yeah. I hate it, you know? And so, like, I'm not going to use a dildo or a butt plug that, like, is has electrodes running through it. You know, I feel like.

What's the most unique fetish that you guys have seen? I still get a little bit. Like, we have this thing called a cock plug, which goes, it's like a urethral. What do you call it? Yeah, urethral. A cock plug. Yeah, so that goes. It goes, like, around.

So do the ring thing that you do for your blow jobs. Okay. It kind of goes around. Let's say the ridge of the head of the penis. And then it has a plug that swoops around and then goes in the hole. That feels like a catheter. Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, it's the same. I mean, it's basically like what's called sounding. So it's the idea of having like these vibrations. A lot of time you'll see that it's metal and it's you can make, you can hit it and have these different vibrations that are kind of going to kind of run through the shaft of your penis. But like internally, I mean, yeah, there. something that like for me like I'm gonna die before that ever happened. Taylor, do you want to be the human

guinea pig for that one? I honestly don't think I would ever be able to try that that would hurt. Yeah, I mean that's like so maybe don't start there if you're on that the beginning level that we talked about earlier. No, I would that that's not beginner. That's super advanced. I mean for me, I don't know, the ones that I find funner are like the furries and stuff like that and like that's an interesting world. Like the they like to dress up as like stuffed animals and stuff and then like we make certain we've made like bunny butt plugs and stuff like that and other things where like so yeah like the little like my little pony butt plugs where like you'll put a butt plug in your butt and then it has like a colored horse tail or whatever. So like that's cute like a pink one like on brand.

I'm a stick and my little pony butt plug in your ass when you're sleeping. Can you send me one of those? It might be a little too advanced. A little too advanced. Yeah. But things that like maybe were fed. Like what I like to see, especially in my 15 years is like things that were fetishy that are now just maybe even more normal and it's like the things shift.

Such as Benoit balls. Well, Benoit balls. But I still think that's not fetishy. I never found that fetishy, but it just became more mainstream because of 50 shades of gray. So you just put them in your vagina and you just walk around. Yeah. And you can get a vibration from the way that they move. They're also mainly for kegill exercises to, you know, to strengthen your vaginal muscles.

I do kegles every single time. I'm driving at a stoplight. Yeah, that's how I remind myself. Yeah. I just sit there and do kegles until it goes. You didn't know that about me. You learn things every day. I learned something new every day on this, on this show.

That's smart. My other friend told me, this is a. tip, you don't know this either, that when the guy's about to come, do a kegall, like, do 20 kegles in a row. And that works. You didn't even know what you were, like, you didn't even know this. That's how you get that extra. She'll probably, she'll be mad at me for this.

I'm sure about when my wife was pregnant, she had a note on the inside of her car, like right there. I drove it one day and I was like, what is this note? Because it looked like code. And I was like, what is this? It was like on her dashboard. And she was like, oh, that's my reminder for my kegull. I love a note on the dashboard or at like a red light or whatever.

So like that's very smart. Do your keels at the red light. Smart. 100% or in traffic, which are always in an LA. But male anal play was what I was going to say, like men doing prostate massage and things like that. Like it made me think of it because you said you were going to stick a my little milking. And milking.

So that's when you're going to stimulate the prostate to the point of ejaculation for the man. And this can be done sort of the technical milking is that you don't. don't need to stimulate the penis, but you're actually going to heavily massage the prostate until a man is going to have an ejaculation just from that alone. And a man can come from his prostate, right? Yes, absolutely. I just had a very vivid image of like our listeners in their cars, observing off the road. Yeah.

Taylor, have you ever been milked? I have never been milked. I'm sure all the listeners are taking detailed notes right now, too. I'm sure you are too, Taylor. I'm sure you're back there. Taylor, do you have any questions about your case? right now that we have the experts here? No, because we discussed it with the edging.

I think the standard training kit. Cockrings. Have you ever used a cockerings? Have you ever used a co-ring? They're not at the grocery store, Taylor. What the fuck are you talking about? There's some really cheap, like disposable ones there, Taylor. Don't buy those at all.

He needs a cock ring. Can you guys get him a cock ring? Yeah, for sure. We can give him one of our cock rings. So what I would tell you, Taylor is, or for any guys listening that might have the same question. I would, the vibrating cock rings are great and they can be used for this purpose, but a lot of times with the vibrating cock rings, what you'll see is not as large of a ring because they really

are meant to be worn more just over the shaft of the penis. But with a little bit of a larger cock ring and a little bit of a stronger density of the material, what you want to do is wrap it over your shaft and actually around under your balls. And then what that's going to help do is apply pressure to the perineum and to that tube that I talked about that you kind of want to press when you're edging. And what that's going to do is not only give you fuller, thicker erections, but it will help you with premature ejaculation. It can help you sort of last longer. And then also have much stronger orgasms when you get a little bit more advanced with how you remove it before orgasming.

If you can kind of time it right, you can sort of release the pressure that the cock ring built up right at the point of orgasm and have a really intense orgasm. That was so much value. Taylor, did you listen to that? Listen to that clip over and over. Spitting knowledge. Spitting knowledge here, Taylor. That was really a lot of knowledge and you like explaining the actual parts too was amazing. I call that lymphatic drainage. No, Taylor, that is not lymphatic drainage. I don't think that's what that is. Where do you guys see this industry in the next five years? That's a question. I see it becoming more and more mainstream people talking about it, it getting into more mainstream shops. We got into Goop a couple years ago. That was really exciting for us because it kind of showed that we've come so far.

I mean, that never would have happened 10 years ago. Yeah, that's badass. The online part of this business is drastically just revolutionized this entire business. I mean, more you can say that about every industry, but ours, I think, specifically because before online, our commerce was stores, just brick and mortar that I think a lot of women and maybe couples didn't feel comfortable going into. So the online allowed not just that outlet to purchase, but it also on the, it pushed downwards to have the stores actually like reinvent themselves as well. And you're seeing way more boutiques, beautiful stores, stores like Hustler even, you know, where like people sometimes think of the name and they're like, oh, I don't know about that.

That's that magazine. But if you look at the hustler, like actual stores, like the one on sunset or the one in Hollywood, if you're in L.A., like these are beautiful stores that, like, you know, bring sex positivity to it. in stores like good vibrations and things like that. So that's all arisen and become even more powerful, like, since online, you know, commerce has happened for our industry. So I feel like seeing the doors that are opening for this business and being able to find it at some of these more mainstream stores, like Erica said, is going to be where you're going to see this business in, like, five to ten years.

It's interesting. You know, when Eric and I were talking on the phone briefly before we set up this interview, we were talking about Wu, and we built that entire business online. And it's interesting because 85% of the customers, are women. That's so great. And it's awesome to see. I mean, like we built the brand for women, but it wouldn't be possible without the online

presence and about telling these type of stories and here. And so. Well, and you have the direct communication. Like, you know who's buying the product, you know, and you're getting feedback directly on the product. I mean, for you, that's great. And for us, it's great because of just the depth of the products that we offer. So we're getting information back on so many different categories of product, what

people want to see, you know, even with all the product out there. there, there's still gaps in the market, right? And there's still people not necessarily getting hit. I mean, I mentioned that I don't think there's a lot of product out there for men. There's a lot of product for gay men. There's a lot of product. There's a masturbators, but there wasn't a lot of product for all this other stuff. We developed a brand called Optimal, which is that vibrating C ring for men's sexual health and wellness. Like, it doesn't matter if you're straight, gay, whatever. I don't care. Like, this was just for men to sort of give men a little bit of an understanding of how you can use products. So many men these days are more interested in their appearance,

the way they look, the way they dress, and they're taking care of themselves in ways that I don't know men of the past were. And you've got to do the same thing for your sexual health and wellness as well. So there's a lot of gaps still. And I know that there's parts of it. I know what we're working on, you know, and some of the partnerships that we have kind of brewing. And not only are they mainstream, but they're going after gaps in the market or audiences that aren't necessarily buying this product right now. Yeah, like I said, everyone's focused on so many other aspects of their life and where to improve, but not a lot of people put a lot of thought into improving sex. I'm going to put these toys in my pink box that I have under the bed.

I have this big pink caboodle. Oh, that's, yeah. I thought that was like code. I have a big pink box. I'm going to put all these toys in there. Where can everyone find you? Where can they shop the toys? How can they follow you on Instagram?

Pimp yourself out. It's shop docjohnson.com and our insta is at Doc Johnson, USA. And we'll leave the links. Will you guys send us the links to put in the show notes of all the products? Totally. Oh, for sure. Thank you guys. Thank you guys.

Thank you guys. Thank you guys. Thanks is fun, guys. Let your freak clock by. It should be. Yeah. It should be. That's the key.

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