The Bossticks - How To Get Involved With Charity, The Dark Side Of Animal Breeding, Human Connection, & Paying It Back Ft. I Stand With My Pack

Episode Date: July 28, 2022

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She's a lifestyle blogger extraordinaire. Fantastic. And he's a serial entrepreneur. A very smart cookie. And now Lauren Everts and Michael Bostic are bringing you along for the ride. Get ready for some major realness. Welcome to the Skinny Confidential, him and her. Alex is such a proponent for educating people about what dogs need and what dogs need and

what you need to do as a dog owner. Just because it's hard, it doesn't mean that it's not unmanageable and that it's not wonderful because I feel dogs teach us a certain lesson in life, just like children teaches huge lessons. I feel that they come into our lives and we grew. Welcome back to the skinny confidential him and her show. Today we have a feel good episode that I think is putting some good back into the world. I'm relying on this audience to come through in a big way.

We don't ask for much, but for this one we are. This is a podcast with two living angels that are taking care of animals. And they have a charity called I Stand With My Pack. And we thought it would be amazing to have them both on the show to hear their story, talk about how they help these dogs and animals, all kinds of animals, honestly. And it's just an amazing episode. I think that this platform is a powerful platform. And to be able to showcase conversations like this here and there is important because

I think it can really do some good, especially because I know, again, guilting you guys into this, that this audience is going to come through in a big way. out of this episode, you will understand the importance of rescuing. After this episode, I think moving forward for me and for Michael, we will just be rescuing animals. It's honestly changed my whole entire mindset when it comes to animals. And with Michael and I, we've wanted to be very purposeful with what charity we want to be involved in. And this is one that's very important to us. I stand with my PAC as a nonprofit organization. They provide global assistance to save the lives of animals and prevent suffering and cruelty. On this episode, you will learn where you can adopt.

You'll also learn where you can Venmo to support $1 would be amazing from everyone. That would make such a big difference. This episode gives you a full picture about fostering, adopting, and rescuing animals. We will meet Alex, the president and founder of I Stand with my PAC, and Katie, who is the chief assistant. This nonprofit organization is very successful at the removal of dogs from L.A. City and County, as well as other parts of California. They also really work with high-risk kill shelters. Check out their Instagram at I Stand with My Pack. And on that note, let's welcome Alex and Katie to the Skinny Confidential, him and her podcast. This is the skinny confidential him and her. I am so excited to have the two lovely ladies behind I Stand with my

pack on the podcast today. This is a charity that I I am so passionate about. Both of you are so incredible what you do for animals and we're going to get into it. My first question, though, I want to know how this even started, how it even came about. Was there an animal that you can pinpoint that was like the epiphany to start this organization? Well, actually, I've always had an idea of like having a rescue and I always wanted to help. My idea of what since I was little was to have animal rescue and to help also children. And so the idea is to kind of merge that two together in the future. So since I was very little, I had this idea.

And then I went through 10 years of war. During that period, I've seen so much bad things happen to people and especially animals because there's nobody really to protect them. I just wanted to do something to better this. How old were you when you saw war and where? It was in ex-Yugoslavia, in Bosnia, Croatia and Serbia. I've been in all three countries. It was a 10-year-old war since 1991 until 2000.

What kind of things did you see in war that inspired you with this? Did you see just animals just walking on the street with nothing to eat? What was it like? That was the case. The animals from a zoo were outside on roaming on the streets. I mean, they were all abandoned animals after people left. They were just starving, scavenging. and I've seen some really horrific scenes that I would rather not even talk about.

In all of that, I just came out of it wanting to do something better for the world. And I thought that idea of helping children and helping animals, the innocent ones, was always there. And about, I would say, seven or eight years ago, I just realized that was my call. And I was helping other people, a different organization, volunteering, doing whatever. I could, giving donations and everything that I possibly could. But then I realized, okay, I want to do something on my own, the way I want to do it. And I just quit everything that I was working until that moment, basically, and started your organization and went full on in. What was your first animal that you helped? Do you remember? It was a pit bull. It was a pit bull from Carson,

animal shelter. It was just a pit bull that nobody wanted to adopt. It was a great pit bull, one of many that was abandoned, didn't have any inquiries, and I saw him and I said, you know, I'm going to get him. It's actually really hard because when you do go to the shelters, it's hard to pick one, but I guess he was the first one on the left. I remember when I came into that shelter and I saw him. There was something in his eyes. And later when I found out that nobody was inquiring about him and nobody was going to adopt him, I went on and rescued him first. why this is just like a tangent that I want to know why is it that pit bulls and chihuahuas are the most this is what I've heard you guys correct me if I'm wrong are the most the dogs that people everyone

drops at the shelter because they're overbred pit bulls and chihuahuas are actually the most bred breeds and there's so many of them there's not enough of humans actually to even take care of them so yeah there are there's so many dogs and especially these two breeds because people just overbred them And they're everywhere. So are you both frustrated with breeders? Yes. Like backyard breeding is definitely not helping the situation. And what we've really noticed in past, like during pandemic, like for instance, there was

such a high demand for adoption of the dogs. So breeding was also much more common. And they, you know, so they overbred these dogs. And now at the shelters, you have three dogs in a kennel because there's so many dogs that are being bred and abandoned, and there's not enough of space. We don't have enough of facilities to actually take all the stray dogs from L.A.

Not only that, they are not, they're coming in sick. So they'll have kennel cough or distemper, and then it's so contagious, it just spreads. And so now you have all these sick dogs that are being caged, and nobody's going to adopt a sick dog,

and the shelters technically, well, typically, not technically, typically do not administer medical help. So they'll call Alex, or I stand with my pack, and say, hey, we need you to come pick up this dog at this time, which is usually like a very short window, sometimes as short as 30 minutes to get across Los Angeles, to save this dog's life or we're euthanizing him.

And then we get there, and Alex will pick up, she goes in for one and brings five, right? So she's got all the parvo dogs. We're going to send them out. And Parvo is just, it's such a simple vaccine. And all they need is, it's basically they need fluids and care. They have to be monitored. And they don't even start IVs there.

They don't want to waste an IV pack on these animals. So we get them and then we place them with a specialized nurse that actually does it for us privately instead of going to the vet. Because like the dog that I got Oakley, I believe her bill was $7,000 to I stand with my pack. And she was a backyard breeding dog. Same thing. Just didn't have the shot. and had Alex not saved her,

it has to be done quickly. The fluids have to be administered quickly. She would have died. And so that's what's happening. So we'll get five parvo dogs and maybe two survive. Sometimes all of them do, but it's very unlikely. That's the problem with the backyard breeding.

Or Alex has gotten calls with ones that we can't post because there's actual investigations where there's so many, you know, there's dogs that are no longer alive in the backyard. and they're still breeding more dogs. So for the ignorant at the table, me, can you clarify the difference between, you know, responsible breeding and backyard breeding just so that we can understand what's taking place here? I'm really against all breeding right now because we have such a large number of animals out there that don't have homes. However, breeders that love the breed and know the breed, they will be kind

to their animal. They will give all the necessary medical help. They take those dogs when they get adopted, a good breeder will take back the dog if the dog cannot no longer have that family or no longer stay in that home. So a good breeder takes care of their dogs. Backyard breeder doesn't. They just think about a money operation. Yes. And then not only do these puppies come in sick and just super abused, but they're mothers that's been bred for many, many times at the age of five when they stop breeding them, they just dump them too. Is backyard breeding legal? No.

It's illegal. It's illegal, yeah. But they're probably just not getting prosecuted or chased down. There's so much going on that people, I feel that animal services don't have capacities. And I want to add to what Katie earlier mentioned, it's not that they don't want to help dogs. The shelters, there are wonderful people that work at the shelters that want to help dogs. They just don't have means for that. They're overrun.

Yeah. And when you have that many animals at the shelter, it's really hard to, you know, I know how hard it is because we have about 30 to 50 per month. And our small team manages that. But, you know, shelter has a capacity of like 200, 250 dogs per month. And it's just overwhelming and super expensive too. They need to have funds for that. And I feel like animal movement is just put on the side and wellness. of animals because there's so many issues with humans that people don't manage to get to this issue.

Well, this sounds like, this sounds like such a problem because obviously you want to encourage adoption for all the dogs that are in shelters and need to be adopted, but at the same time, it sounds like these breeders keep going. So then there's like those dogs, even the new ones that are bred, if they don't get picked up by a family, they're going to end up in the shelter as well, right? So it's just this endless supply of dogs that can't get families. That's why they call it a puppy mill, right? So they're just, they're continually breeding these animals and they'll do horrible things.

It's like the dog that I first got from my stand with my pack. She was thrown out in the Palmdale Desert with her parents with a whole litter. There was 11 puppies. What do you mean thrown out? Like she's where'd they find her? In the desert. Like somebody stopped a car,

put all the animals outside and left. To me it seems like the problem is the people. Well yeah, it's always the fucking people. Who is leaving a litter of puppies? Who is leaving a litter of puppies in the desert. Like what kind of person does that? Have you ever met the person that does these kinds of things? Or have you guys never gotten a chance to meet them? No. Not a chance.

I like, you mean the opportunity? Yeah. The opportunity to take them out to the desert? Yeah, exactly. I do see a game. Run. I do see people when they come to the shelters. I remember one particular case that I'm never going to be able to forget when person brought a dog that was literally dying. He was skin and bones and, you know, they just brought him to the shelter, which is, again, better than leaving the dog in the desert to die, you know, without any help. So this is, at least they had some decency to say, okay, this is really bad, but, you know, this is okay, leaving it at the shelter. Was that Felix? Grandpa Felix? Yeah. And he, he passed. My mom and dad got Grandpa Felix. Is that the same? No, no, no. I'm not. No. This is another.

This is another dog that passed that same day that we got him out. We took him to the emergency hospital and ridden with cancer. And it's probably going on for like many, many years. It's just that what I don't understand is how do people let come to that point? How can you look at the dog literally dying in front of you and not do anything about it? And I absolutely understand people don't have money. It's a hard situation. and they just cannot afford maybe medical.

But there are solutions. I mean, if somebody calls us and tells my dog is dying, you know, can you help? I'd help them. So there are people that I want to make the change. And so I encourage people to seek the help because there is out there. It's just like takes a little bit of work and takes some time to get to find the right information. So what if you say you're living? on a street, you have a neighbor and you can tell that a dog's being abused. First of all,

what are the signs that they're being abused? And second of all, what do they do? Do they call 911? Do they call you guys? Is there a hotline to call? They can call their local shelter. They can also call, I guess, the police in like a non-emergency line and report if there is an abuse happening. But the shelter will react and they will send their officers to the house. The problem is they cannot enter the house. And there's very little they can actually do. So what they can see from outside is all that is allowed to them. And most of the times they cannot see even a dog in front of them.

So there is a disconnect. Disconnect. Yeah. What kind of things are you guys seeing on a daily or weekly basis that will maybe inspire people to go to their shelters, to donate, to rescue an animal? Like, how bad is it? What is the real dark side? Like, I think sometimes I told you guys offline, you will text me a dog, and it's honestly hard to look at it because it's so sad.

Like, what are some of these cases that you're seeing? Well, Alex, by accident, sent me a video of this little puppy who couldn't get up at the shelter and was screaming crying. Their rear leg was injured. And, of course, Alex rescued her. After she brought her to the emergency vet, everything, they deemed it that basically the dog had been taken. And this is a two and a half pound dog,

two and a half, maybe three pound dog, thrown against the wall. So it had brain swelling, back swelling, dis swelling. Of course, I stand with my pack, covered all of the veterinarian bills, took care of everything. And just also for perspective

of the cost of what it is for what the rescue does, we don't say no, typically, unless we are like at our max. We're spending so much money on medical dogs, which is fine. but we have to fundraise that. We're not getting someone just a,

you know, we're not getting a government check or like, hey, we're going to help you out here. We don't have any of those resources. So we have to fundraise all of our own, you know, for what we're doing here. And so anyhow, because of the treatment, totally fine. And that's when I was just showing you, Big Wilma. And I adopted her because I was worried,

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Like, how can you go to the shelter and how can you expose yourself? must be really strong. It's not that I'm strong. I'm same as anybody else. I just, when you have a fear and you just face it, that's how I'm facing this. It's not that I'm not suffering during, you know, in the nighttime and not crying over some dogs and not getting truly hurt. But it's just that I know that there's not a lot of people that would actually face that and will, you know, and even though I'm not saying that I'm better than anybody else, I'm just saying that I'm capable of doing that. So that's why I feel like that was the call because I can actually do it and a lot of people

cannot. As far as the cases goes, I mean, every day like parvo dogs, distemper, there's a lot of, there's outbreak of distemper. I don't know if you know that. That's a very, very vicious disease. But also attacks mostly little puppies that are not vaccinated. It can be anywhere. It can be on grass, you know, area, wherever people take a dog that is not a vaccine.

vaccinated, it can catch it pretty quickly, and it's much more deadly even than parvo. And a lot, you get it from a, I remember when I was like in high school, I went and adopted a little, not adopted, excuse me, bought a $300 puppy, not knowing anything about anything. And I remember I brought the little puppy home and I was feeding her and everything. And then two days later, she died. Wow. And it was, it was, it was, it was something with the breeder selling me, like he had a litter of puppies with distemper. So if you are going to go to a breeder, how do you make sure that, like, or what do you do, I guess, if the puppy has distemper? Because it happened to me in two days. Absolutely. Well, the probability of a puppy surviving with distemper is very low. So why would a breeder sell puppies

with distemper to make quick money? Like, what is the? Yeah, they're not honest people. They're, and they're not treating these animals properly. I mean, they see them. solely as a prophet and they don't care about your feelings and how you're going to feel about when you do lose that puppy. They don't care about all of that. They don't even care about the puppy's life or what's going to happen to the puppy. So all they care about is and they will not do anything to, they will not help you with anything.

They're not even going to take the dog back if the dog is sick. So a lot of, I see all this like Craiglist puppies. Oh, yeah. Or Market or Amazon. not Amazon, Facebook marketplace. My husband's been showing me all these dogs for sale

because I don't tell him anything that happens behind the scenes because he would, he doesn't handle that stuff well. Well, most people don't, but it's, he loves dogs.

And so he was showing me all of, I mean, people just list him and they'll say like $1 and they'll have a puppy with dog food and it's the puppies that are for sale. And...

For a dollar? Well, they do that. that you'll click. It's like clickbait. Then they negotiate. Yeah. And then you negotiate this dog that is supposedly pure bread and all of these things. And I know people that thought they were going through reputable breeders and they got the dog home. Same thing as you, Lauren, distemper. And the whole litter had distemper. And it's also about education. So Alex is such a proponent for educating people about what dogs need and what you need to do as a dog owner. and providing the resources to do so.

So if you adopt a dog for my stand with my pack, it's not like, great, thank you so much, send us a picture, tag us. We literally want to stay in contact with you and you can go for free training. We have trainers that we pay that will do it. Because that's a thing that a lot of people give up on, right? Correct. They get a dog and it's peeing in the house or it's barking or it's not, you know, maybe it's misbehaving and they're like, I can't handle this.

And so I'm going to get rid of the dog. Oh, yeah. She gets phone calls that people are saying, you know, the dog is barking. Yeah, I think, I mean, like, she does better at that. I do better at the business management argument type of situation bringing those escalations down. But she, the phone call, she gets, I don't know how she can do it. Yeah, I think this is a broader conversation or deeper conversation that more people should hear. It's the same thing. Like, you know, you take on the responsibility of being a new parent. Like, that comes with all the things of being a new parent. You take the responsibility of being a parent to a dog. I'm going to remind you of this when the dog pees in the house next time. Oh no, I mean, like, I tell Lauren, like, you just got a new puppy, you know, people know that. And it's hard. It's not easy. But I tell Lauren all the time, like, I will not become part of a statistic that doesn't take care of the dog. Well, obviously. Sure. But I would kick you the fuck out. Of course. But I think a lot of people like, oh, my God, I'm so busy. My job. My life. My kids. It's hard. You know, you should have thought about that in the first place. Yeah. No, people return dogs all the time as if it's like you went and bought a purse. And it didn't actually go with the outfit. It shouldn't be a challenge at all. It should just be the same. It should just be the same. easy thing. Yeah. And it's just, you know, and it's like a baby. You know, like you have a baby. They hand it to you. There's no directions. You definitely can't return it. You know, you don't know what you're going to get when it comes. Okay. So I always think about like people are so arrogant and it's like

you're, they think that their life is so important and so interesting that it can't be interrupted by either, you know, the burden of maybe child care or dog care. Correct. And I think it's like such an arrogant stance to take as a human, right? It's like your life's not that interesting that it can't be interrupted. Correct. Right. Correct. Correct. When they do rescue a dog who's been abused or neglected, how do you gain the dog's trust? What's the most strategic way to go about it? So we have a full team of people that are helping us behavioralists and trainers. Not a lot of them because we don't, we pick who we want to work with because we have a certain way we work with animals.

So it takes a long time. So if the, if animal is abused, you have to go through a lot of rehabilitation. and it's just like a human. They feel they have, you know, and they have memory too. So it's really hard to undo when somebody does something bad to them. But it can be done with a lot of love, with a lot of trust, with confidence. I feel like more than even education and more than even experience the confidence is necessary for people when they come into a story of having a dog. We also offer a lot of help.

When we adopt a dog, like Katie mentioned, we stay in touch with those people. We make sure that dog is trained to a certain degree to make it easier because we understand that it's hard to potty train a dog. We understand that it's hard to, you know, it's hard in general. It's just the way it is. But just because it's hard, it doesn't mean that it's not unmanageable and that it's not wonderful because I feel dogs teach us a certain lesson. in life, just like children teaches a huge lessons, I feel that they came, come into our lives

and we grew. And every growing is painful. So is this one. And we teach them how to live in our world. And they teach us in return the unconditional love and protection, loyalty. I feel it's just amazing that two different species can coexist in such harmony, love, and it's just wonderful. I feel this. Well, we evolved with them, right? They were there to protect and alert the camp forever. It's not just dogs, though, and it's not just cats. What are you guys seeing that you're

having to rescue lately that's been surprising? Like, are we rescuing pigs over here? We do. We rescue pigs. I would love pigs. Pigs are super smart. And you can teach them almost anything. Can a pig sleep in bed with you? Yeah. Why not? Pigs are. I want a pig. I do too. Pigs are really smart. Get the fuck out of my bad, I want to pick. So what other animals are you rescuing that are kind of maybe like off the cuff we wouldn't think? Bodies. Bones, yeah.

We helped a lot of horses in the beginning, especially in Florida and Puerto Rico. And we will rescue any animal if we have means to rescue that animal and if we have a plan for that animal, of course. So there's... Tell them about Bali, about what Jazz is doing. Oh, yes. We do have, we're opening our office in Bali, actually, and we... I started like six years ago, I got involved with elephants in Sumatra and a project over there to actually color a couple of matriacs from a different wild herds because they, again, have a really serious issue over there between human and animal conflict.

And it's unfortunate because of all these fields for, what is that oil? It's on my mind, but it's a really horrible oil. Is it palm oil? Palm oil. Thank you so much. It was on my mind and just couldn't pronounce it. Due to plantations for palm oil, they're cutting off the wild elephants environment, basically, where they live. And they are very, you know, they have this migration path that they remember through their DNA.

Basically, they know their ancestors who are doing that. So now you have fields with, you know, this palm oil. And, you know, what are they going to do? They go through it. Exactly. And so that's why they poisoned them, smear them, they electrocued them. So it's pretty sad. And they're actually instincting. There's not a lot of them. So that was elephant is kind of an animal that I really, really and drawn to. So we got involved with that project. We have somebody, Jazz. Jazz is one of our people from the team. And she works and she's actually located in Bali. And we're planning to help also. animals over there, especially the dogs on the streets because they have so many homeless dogs. However, people are kind to them and they give them food and they share what they have. But during the pandemic, people didn't have a lot of money even for themselves.

So we actually organized some rice and other items, donations to actually help people over there as well because they couldn't feed their dogs on the streets because they didn't have money. foods themselves. The other thing too is that the tourism and when it was obviously cut off during the pandemic in the beginning or the first year of it, right, they would get that that's how dogs would be fed is people would leave their leftovers, right? Like you didn't finish it so you would just feed the dog. And like what Alex just said about the helping the humans to help the animals, that's really the mission behind I stand with my pack. Because the goal here is to continually help the animals, place them in the homes, and they're truly helping the people. There's so many

stories of how a dog has saved the human or helped heal the human in a different way. It's really beautiful. And we were able to do, Alex called me. It was the two dogs that were very sick on Skid Row. The owner was willing to give them up to us. We took them and then Alex said, Katie, we got to help this guy. He's a vet. I said, okay. So I called. I called. I called. I call. I was a friend. He put me in touch with a friend. I got that person to call Alex. Alex connected him. He got into the VA and was able to get all the paperwork done. This is a 70 year old vet who was living on the streets because he couldn't get through the paperwork. And so we helped him, help himself. And he was willing to let his dogs be cared for by us and knew that we would give them happy and

healthy home. So it was like we did this whole circle. So we helped the man. We saved the dogs. Those two dogs went into two separate homes, helped those two. families. And that's really the mission here is like we want to be able to partner with the communities that we're taking these animals, we're picking these animals up from and educate them and also support the communities. Anything we can do. We would love to be helpful. Tell us what you drink every single morning. Let me give you the game change. It's changed my life. Okay. And if you heard our wellness episodes, you would know that this is one of my staples. If you heard the episode with Andrew Huberman, you know that he's a big fan as well. That is athletes.

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It's very interesting that I've noticed that some homeless people are much kinder and sweeter towards their dogs and take better care of their dogs than some people that are capable of taking care of their dogs. So it really doesn't matter. So this recently happened and we had a whole discussion on our page, actually, because there are some certain people that think that dogs should not be with homeless people. There are certain people that are supporting that, right? So I am all like, you can't blame a person.

There's a lot going on right now. People lose their homes. They're good people. It doesn't mean that, you know, they're not going to take care of their animal. And in a lot of cases, that dog is everything to them. So recently we had this story where a good Samaritan found a homeless person giving eight days old puppies. And he had a mama with them. He understood that he cannot take care of mom.

and the puppies and they cannot survive on the cold outside and you know being there the good Samaritan took the puppies they said hey can we take the mama and the man said well she keeps me alive she barks at night her bark is you know notify me if there is a danger there's a lot going on on the streets these people are completely unprotected there's criminals you know taking advantage of these people and having a dog as your protection I feel it makes things much easier. Now, I don't agree that anybody should be on the streets.

Of course, we don't want our dogs to be on the streets. But the situation right now is so hard that, you know, what can I say? There's nuances, right? And I think that's why people, like, they hear, oh, homeless people will have dogs. And there's a huge demographic of people that will immediately their gut reaction with like, no, that's not acceptable.

But then there's stories like this. you're like, oh, in this case, this person seems to be taking care of this dog and vice versa. Maybe that is acceptable. I think this is the problem with this world is you try to apply blanket solutions to nuance problems, right? It doesn't work. I mean, you've seen that, especially the last two years, right? Like, there's nuances to all of these problems. They're complex.

Absolutely. I think the thing, too, with the homeless is actually my older, oldest daughter got me involved in really exposing me to animal rescues, right? and rescuing animals 18 years ago. Anyhow, what she said, she would say, Mom, that dog is all that person has. Because I would say the same thing. And I remember I called the police on someone once

because I thought their dog was like mal-try. I mean, he had tumors. He was bleeding. It was all the stuff in a drugstore, like Riteate or something. They came and they told me, they said, oh, no, he goes to the local vet. The vet is treating the dog. So these people usually will take care of these animals

better than they take, they won't eat if their dog hasn't eaten. They give them their water before they'll drink their water. And it really is, like what Alex just said, like that dog's keeping that person alive. And it is sad because you see somebody who's returning a dog because it barks or maybe like it ate a seatbelt, you know, or, you know, just being a dog. It's an animal. At the end of the day, these are animals. And we have to train the animals.

It's kind of like your kids. When they hit the toddler years, you. can't just let them run a muck. I mean, some of them are much better behaved. I have one that was not. And she was like a wildebeest. And so I would have to put parameters on how our day would go because I knew how she would act in public.

And I didn't want to, you know, she would take people hostage. So it's literally, she knows it. I've written papers about it with her in college and high school. She made a mother feel the way no mother should ever feel about their child. And that's the thing is like you have to look at a dog is you're not going to get a dog And it's not like you upgrade every five years, right? It's not like a car where you're going to like, oh, the new one came out. I'm going to go get the, you know, turbo.

It's not bad. This dog, you have no idea how long the dog is going to live. Our chihuahua live to 17. It's hard to talk to you guys because if I think about this dog, I'll cry. He's already crying. I almost might cry. Yeah, you are. You're tearing up.

Oh, honey, don't cry. Oh, don't cry. That's sad. Because it's probably the closest relationship I've ever had outside of my wife. And it's crazy. And it was like a, what, like an eight pound dog? But I had it for so long, her for so long. Yeah.

He's going to make me cry now. No. And he's going to make us cry. And you know what? It was tough in the end because we were trying to hold on so hard. And like she was trying to. You should have seen how this man took care of her. It was the sweetest thing.

The IVs. just doing everything for her. Well, I think in a way, like, it made me a more compassionate person just towards everything, right? And it teaches you a lot of things. And this is, and it's a weird connection because, you know, I've met a lot of different people in my life. But like, there's certain bonds that you find. And I hope that everybody can find this, that this is not a human connection, but it was probably one of these strongest bonds that I know I'll ever have. For sure.

For sure. He would have cheated on me. with her. I can say that. If she morphed into it. That's a little. That's a little bit. I don't know if we were that close. That's getting strange. That's a whole different type of issue.

I have a random question that I would love to know your thoughts on. I mean, I probably know your thoughts on this. But there are places in this world where they eat dog, which is so strange to even say. But the Yulin Festival, and I don't know if that's like the main one. What, like, what can we do to, support getting rid of that? So when I started, when I first started, I was much louder and much more fighting in a fighting mood with everything because I realized, oh my God, there are so many issues now like,

and I went into it with this like rage. However, over the years, I came down a lot and I'm doing more like planned things because I know it's better for the animals. So when it comes to this question particularly, I started with a huge protest for against the Yulin Festival. And of course I'm against it. And not just, I mean, I'm not talking about eating the dog. I'm talking more about the torture before even dog, you know, because sometimes they're like cooked alive, literally. Well, they beat them. Yeah. And they beat them for, so the meat can be more tender. So alive. So it's, it's gruesome. There are certain countries that are, still, even places that we would not really think of. I don't want to go through all the

countries because I realize at the end that, you know, these people are eating these dogs because they also have nothing to eat. They're starving. You know. So just like with homelessness or, you know, these other issues, you have to take the most compassionate side towards people as well because you always think what would I do in that situation. Of course, I would not go to that extent, but you don't know until you are in that situation. I'm going to eat my husband before I'm going to eat out. Right? No, absolutely. No, I, I, and I'm not justified. He's got a great ass. I'll eat his ass. I'll start with your ass. Tiller. Taylor, hold that. But it's, it's a problem. It's a educational problem. And also it's a problem of a poor place.

that don't have other means, they don't have other meat, let's say. Yeah, they don't have food. And then also, what is the difference between eating a pig and eating a dog? You know, in my opinion, there is really, you know, they're all emotional creatures. And so if we're going to judge somebody else for doing something wrong, we have to come from ourselves and wonder what can we do better in our way to? to make better picture for everybody. And maybe by our example, we can show people

in the most compassionate way how to deal with these issues. Because I'm sure if people would understand, because these dogs, for instance, they have rabies sometimes. People get seriously sick. This is not just like, oh, people are eating dogs. It's like they're killing themselves, I mean, in a way. We cannot tell somebody else how to. to live unless we are living by that example and we are showing because how much garbage we have

in our backyard, it's incredible. And that's why, you know, we started as like globally helping everybody and then we realize, oh my God, there's so much problems here that, like, how can we help somewhere else where we don't even understand the problem, really? Because it's very complex. It's been going on for years and ages. And we cannot understand it. But, somebody else who maybe is on the bigger, higher level that we are, is looking at us that way and say, oh, well, look at you, what you're doing. This is wrong. So it's a very touchy subject because I honestly believe that until you clean up your yard and you show by your example and lead by example, you don't have much space to tell other people how to live.

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used all of that energy to be angry. And it sounds like now you've transferred the energy to just, like you said, focus on what's in front of you and be compassionate. That's interesting. You had that transition. It is. I feel I'm older now too. So it comes with time and then also experience. And then just being in a lot of these different situations, you know, gets you to think in a different way. And I feel like I became more compassionate towards people, even though I thought it's going to be more other way around. But I actually have more compassion towards people because I love dogs and because I help dogs. I firmly believe with all cases and everything, I think I can make this blanket that anger and fear are great motivators to get you attached to a cause or to get you

going on something. But then you have to use your head and you have to use logic and reason and rationale to solve that problem. Because if you just use anger and fear and you see this across every issue and that's what you're leading with, it makes it very difficult to solve complex problems, right? Because you can't think clearly. I absolutely agree with you. I want to know how you guys separate at the end of the night. It's almost, it reminds me of a doctor or a nurse.

Like, the doctor's performing heart surgery and the person, the patient dies, and they have to go home to their kids. You have four children. You have kids? I have one kid. I only have two at home. Two are almost in total. Yeah, I do.

And that's a lot of kids. Yeah, it is. You have four dogs right now. and you're adopting one today. So you've got a lot at home. How do you both come home after all of the devastation you've seen and shut it off? Well, usually we end up texting each other at the end, because I'm in Northern California. And so she's texting me all these updates and everything, and we'll have a call or a conversation.

And it's pretty horrific, the stuff that we go over. And then it's kind of like we tell each other that we love each other and we're going to do it again tomorrow. We're going to try again tomorrow. Like that's the goal, right? And to piggyback on what Alex said about having the compassion for people, the way we really have to look at this problem is we have to meet people where they are. So you may have people who are the backyard breeders and they want our help. Or you're completely neglecting and abusing this dog.

And then you're calling us and blaming us for it. Okay, great. So let's come to the solution. Like how can we work together? Because the ultimate thing at the end of the day, all I really care about is the dog. Is a dog safe? Is a dog happy?

Is this going to be the right place? If not, you know, Alex is more than happy to drive over there and, you know, retrieve an animal from someone, which we don't have to do often. But it's the thing is, is if we can just constantly, I have to constantly remind myself that we're meeting people where they are because like with her, like how she said, you come out guns ablaze. And it's like a mom. You're, you know, it's that mom, mama bear in you where you're, you're seeing an

a little defenseless animal who cannot talk and someone is harming it. I mean, it's just, you know, it's like, and the other thing is, is you don't want to get numb to it, right? Like, you don't want to become the doctor that has no bedside manner or the rescue that has no bedside manner because then that can go askew as well. So we really stay in the emotions of KDM crying. And then I'm saying, well, now I'm crying because now I know it, you know, that type of thing. and we kind of go back and forth with each other. And I try to give Alex as much support as possible because she carries the heaviest load out of anyone

and she really sees it all. And I mean, I'll get bits and pieces and she'll say like, hey, can you do this, this and this? And so, you know, I'll stop what I'm doing and, you know, shoot out messages to people and smoke signals and that type of thing. But it's, you know, it's such a group effort. And that's the other thing that I think at the end of the day.

You know that there's people that are willing to help because they sign up to be fosters. And then we just had one that somebody was visiting a foster of ours and ended up adopting one of the fosters because he knew that that was his next dog and is now living in the UK, right? It's hilarious. I bet you guys have seen some incredible stories.

Before we get into how our audience can help and support what you guys are doing, I have to tell Michael, do you know the way that I was introduced to I stand with my pack. Yeah, I do. Who? Well, I don't know if I want to stay on air. No, we can, our friend Lucy. Yeah.

Has two daughters, Brianne and Nicole. And Nicole worked for you guys. And Lucy was a foster for many dogs. And Lucy was someone who helped us with Pixie. Oh, she's an angel. Our dog that passed away. I had to call her out because she's the best. And she helped me.

Yeah, I just want to put anybody on blast. But yeah. But yeah, that's how. That's how we were connected. I don't know. I do know that we, I know how we got connected, and I wanted to say Nicole is amazing. Yeah, we have to shout them out.

They're incredible. She has heart of gold, and she has helped. I stand in my pack a lot. All of those women do. They do. All of the people do, absolutely. And there is a huge community out there, like this good Samaritan that actually found these puppies that I was talking about yesterday.

She does this all the time. She brings home dogs, and then she calls the rescues and, like, hey, can you help me with this? And she doesn't have a lot of money, but whatever she has, she invests in their well-being. And she bottle-fed these puppies. So it's, you know, there's a lot of people out there like that. We cannot do this alone. I could definitely not do this alone. And that's why we have a team of extraordinary women mostly.

And also to go back to this, when you go back to your home, you have to have a support in your home. Because I feel like our families already know that what we are doing is a lot. And it's very important to get support at home. You know, we get damage, too, in a way. There is that anger, and it still exists. I still get angry. It's just that I'm processing it now in a different way. So you have to have a community.

You have to have a really good people. And even what you guys are doing right now and spreading this awareness and showing people that what is happening and how can they help, it means a lot. It's all in having the support. Well, I choose to think that the people that listen to this show are compassionate, helpful, good-hearted people. And if they're not, they should stop listening to the show. No, we have the best community. We do have the best community.

Like, every single time I post any dog, everyone who's listening is so supportive. They'll DM me, they'll message me, I'll tell them to share. They share. It's a great community. And just doing that, that alone, the sharing, so if you post something, and your followers, share it, that is such a ripple effect. We just looked at financials. And last month we came up short because there wasn't a lot of posting and sharing because

it was kind of like... We got a post. We got a post again. It was like, you know, we were putting out a lot of fire. So there was a different type of energy at the rescue. And Alex, you know, looked through everything. She goes, okay, we got to get everyone to start sharing again because that's where we got, we got such a huge amount of money.

We've never know who's watching. Well, yeah, and that's the thing. And truly, like, I'll post it. I have, like, no followers, right? Like, I have, like, 400 followers. I don't even know. But anyways, I'm just, I always tell my kids I'm an influencer. I always tell people, if you just donate one dollar, a dollar makes a difference.

Because when you add it all up, like last month, I think we spent $60,000 on medical dogs. How about everyone listening right now goes and donates a dollar? Yeah. But even, even listen. How can they really quick? How can they just go, they can Venmo you a dollar? Yeah. It's I stand with my pack.

Yeah. Literally, all you have to do is go to Venmo and donate one dollar. If everyone listening can go donate a dollar, that would make such a huge difference. Well, here's the other thing. I think, like, you know, not being presumptuous on some people's, I mean, a dollar sounds like it's very reasonable, like especially if you're listening on an iPhone or computer, you have to have a dollar. Taylor, you better be on Venmo right now, donate a dollar.

But even at a minimum of that, like you said, sharing. I mean, listen, people that are listening to this show, it's very easy with all the social platforms we have to even just share this episode or share I stand with my pack's links or and just like I said, you never know who's watching. Sometimes, and this is not to like brag or anything, sometimes I will see something that somebody is sharing on a charity that I wouldn't have known about and I'll donate anonymously. And it's like, I think not to paint myself so great, but you just never know who's watching at what financial means. You might see somebody, somebody might be watching that has a ton of financial means and is feeling very generous that day. And that one share, even if you can't donate, may make a huge difference.

I also find too that when I share, and this is an effective way to share in my opinion is to share the story. behind the dog. So Katie, when you text me like a certain dog and you say their name and you say what they went through and to share the background behind it helps. And how you can do that, you guys, is you can just go to their Instagram and you can go through all of the puppies and the cats and everything that you guys have on your feed. And you literally just press share to your story. And you guys give context of the name and the story in the caption. And so people can click on that and find a puppy or a dog or a pig. Yeah, I mean, there's so, yeah, there's just so many,

and we have so many different things that are happening. I mean, some days, it's, I don't even know how Alex is, like, still standing at the end of the day because it's been so many animals will come in that day. And then she has to get bottle feeder. She has to get a medical foster. This one has to have emergency surgery. She has to talk to the surgeon and make sure because it's Alex, the one thing about Alex is with her A type personality,

which is so important in the work that I Stay With My Pack does, and I believe why I Stand With My Pack is very successful in the sense of working with the community and we have not lowered our standards of what we do for the dog, for the animals, right? Is that Alex has everything she understands it all. She will talk to the vet. She'll talk to the surgeon. She'll talk to the orthopedic, you know, that type of thing. She'll talk to the foster.

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dogs. It's just that they're a little bit older, but they're still super active. So people that want all their dogs and chill dogs don't like their activity and people that want younger dogs wanted somebody younger. But they're amazing. They're so lovable and amazing dogs, and they've been with us for a year and a few months now. And there is one more dog, Eddie, who is a great pit bull. And he has zero inquiries.

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We have listeners across obviously the country, maybe even the world. Is this limited to the state they live in in some of these? Or it could be nationwide? No, not at all. No, we just had a dog with Katie mentioned that went to London. Most of our adoptions happen in the area. However, we can adopt anywhere in the country or out of the country. There were people that came from Canada.

However, they have to go through the same process as everybody else, which means that they have to come here, meet the dog. We are not going to ship the dog anywhere. We want the relationship and connection to happen and the person to be certain that this is their dog. And then once we're certain about that, they can bring their dog home. And that's how we're doing that. And also we are going through the training and, you know, so everything is here. We're based here.

So they have to come to us. And people do. I have, we had people that drove from Canada here and back because they wanted that particular dog. And it was not an easy dog. It was pretty messed up. dog and they wanted that dog and it was such a blessing because, you know, they worked with a dog later on and it was a right home. Yeah. So listen, people, maybe go to Disneyland and then come grab a dog, right? Yeah. I mean, that's what I do is I drive. I always tell my husband, I'm going to be

driving down to L.A. And the only reason why I drive to L.A. is to pick up a dog. And he says, are you asking me or telling me? I said, well, I'm inviting you. You can either come or I'll be back in a couple days, but I'll see you. And then he'll say, okay, who's coming? We're always telling our husbands. We're always telling them what we're doing. We're never asking. No, no. And that's exactly Sorry, I don't ask. Asking is not my style. Well, no, what it is, is what I told my husband when we got married was he can say when he's asked something, let me check with my wife and I'll get back to you. And then I say my husband would love to do that for you.

Yeah, I always commit him. I love a commitment when he's not there. That's my favorite thing to do. If you want to adopt a dog or you know someone who is looking to adopt a dog, go to at I stand with my pack on Instagram and check out all their dogs. Please go follow them, you guys. really important to Michael and I on Instagram and definitely donate. It's so easy to donate. You literally just go to Venmo. And Amazon, smile.com. You just put the smile before Amazon. It goes to your same account. You can fill your card up. And we'll get, they give us, I think it's

5%. Oh, can you see. It's like 1.0. That's cool. But you can select your charity. You select your charity. You have to show us how to do that before. No, I know how to do it. Yeah, but it has to, you have to put Smile before Amazon or Bezos doesn't let go of the money. That's a big thing. And that is, since we've been really pushing that one, that has picked up a bit. Smile before Amazon, though. How is that linked to I Stand with my pack, though? No, you have to pick your charity.

We're a charity on Amazon, and then it gives you an option, pick your favorite charity, and then you can pick ice. I mean, you can even do what I do also for my kids, not anymore because they're older, but my boys, they're twins. and for their birthday parties, I would send out the Evites and link, I stand with my pack. So they could make a donation. We didn't want any tangible gifts. So they could just get, because typically any kid nowadays, well, at least I feel very blessed. My kids have whatever they need. And I just feel like I'm buying another piece of junk that's going to end up somewhere.

So they do, I stay with my pack and people bring like a little stuffed dog or something to them and with their receipt that they made a donation on their behalf, that type of thing. That's such a cute way for your child to get involved in charity. I'm going to tell people how to do this. If you go to smile.amazon.com and then you go to your accounts and it does accounts and list. You go under your list, it says Amazon Smile Charity lists. And then you click that. And when you click that, you can actually go, it'll pull up on the charities.

And I'm assuming you can click pets and animals or search. And that's where it's going to, that's where you'll find your charity. Correct. Correct. We are doing all of our shopping under that now. It's change our lists right now. you guys if everyone listening like I said 50 cents a dollar two dollars anything to at i stand with my pack this charity is really really special to michael and i it's one of those things that we will

continue to support this is not like some one-off episode i want to continue to do things with you guys we have something coming up that i'm going to tease a little bit we're actually doing a little collaboration and it's going to support the animals and it's really cute and pink and girly and it's something your animals will love. They'll look very bushy. I can't wait. I can't wait. It's very cute. It's so cute. It's so cute. I'm going to put one on Michael and walk them around with them. Okay. Where can everyone find you, pimp yourselves out? You both are incredible what you're doing for animals. Well, thank you so much. And thank you for having us and spreading awareness like this. This means so much to us. So everybody can go on our webpage. It's

I stand with my pack.org or I-W-M-P-P-R-G as well. If that's easier, you can go to our social media, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram is where we mostly post. There are all these buttons over there, donate button, email button, if you need any questions, you can DM us as well, but that's, it's going to be, take some time to respond to DMs, though. But you have our emails and you can donate Venmo. I stand with my pack. PayPal is... Last question, because people are going to...

Go ahead with PayPal. PayPal is info at ISWMP.org. Okay. And Zell is the same. Okay. Info at ISWMP.org. All donations are tax deductible. Come support us.

Last question. 100% of the proceeds go to helping. Absolutely. Well, I mean, everything goes to helping. Of course, we have some office, you know, things that we need to... three or four employees, three employees. But the employees are helping. So everything goes to animals.

Everything. I have to ask because I know that's going to be hard. And also when we post an animal on our, when we, the animal needs us of high medical care or, and, you know,

extensive treatments and such, we post that animal on our social media asking for help. And those proceeds that go to that certain animal are going towards that animal 100%. So whoever donates for whichever dog you see on our social media, that money goes to that dog. And we often get questions like somebody wants to donate for a certain dog and they want to make sure that that money will go there. It will for sure because our expenses are huge. And we often don't even get to fund. I mean, we don't get funds for like $10,000 sometimes surgery, we raise $5,000 and then we just try to get whatever

we can somewhere else. But all the money from social media that is, it's going for a certain dog when you put in a line that you want that money to go to that dog particularly. Love it. You guys are both amazing. Thank you so much for coming on the podcast. Thank you guys. They did a blog post on my blog and you guys have to come back on. We will. Thank you so much. having us. Thank you. Do you want to win a copy of Get the Fuck out of the Sun? All you have to do is tell us your favorite part of this episode with I Stand with My Pack. Make sure you're following them, support them. They're an incredible organization. And we will drop into one of your inboxes

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