The Bossticks - How To Live An Exciting Life & Look Good Doing It With Four Sigmatic Founder, Tero Isokauppila

Episode Date: February 4, 2020

#245: On this episode we sit down with one of our favorite people and favorite guests, Tero Isokauppila. Tero is an entrepreneur and founder of one of our all time favorite brands: Four Sigmatic. This is Tero's 3rd appearance on the show! On today's episode we discuss how to live an exciting life and savor every moment. We also discuss how to find your calling and answer when it calls. Finally we wrap the show discussing internal vs external skincare.  To connect with Tero Isokauppila click HERE To listen to Tero's first TSC interview click HERE To listen to Tero's second TSC interview click HERE To connect with Lauryn Evarts click HERE To connect with Michael Bosstick click HERE Read More on The Skinny Confidential HERE For Detailed Show Notes visit TSCPODCAST.COM To Call the Him & Her Hotline call: 1-833-SKINNYS (754-6697) This episode is brought to you by THRIVE MARKET. We use Thrive for our online grocery delivery on a weekly basis and we also now get our wine at Thrive! They provide the highest quality products and ingredients delivered straight to our door with unbeatable prices.  Be sure to grab our deal by going to to https://thrivemarket.com/skinny to select your prefferred memberships package and start saving today! This episode is brought to you by ROOTZ NUTRITION Whether your goal is to start seeing better results in the gym, or just look and feel your best, you are going to love the Rootz Protein Superfood.Packed with protein, greens, electrolytes, and tons of superfoods, it's perfect for adding to your morning smoothie, drinking after exercise, or as a quick and easy meal replacement at any time during the day. Use code SKINNY for 20% off your entire order. WOO MORE PLAY is the all natural and organic coconut love oil that is changing the way we have sex. With only 4 all natural ingredients WOO is the perfect personal lubricant to spice up your sex life. That's just the pre-party.  All Him & Her Listeners will receive 20% off your entire order plus free shipping when when visiting www.woomoreplay.com & using promo code HIMANDHER at checkout. Produced by Dear Media

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Fantastic. And he's a serial entrepreneur. A very smart cookie. And now Lauren Everts and Michael Bostic are bringing you alone for the ride. Get ready for some major realness. Welcome to the skinny confidential, him and her. The other part that I don't think enough many people comment on about being an entrepreneur or doing your own thing is the fact that the real magic saws it, how you change along the journey. Like that is the real magic.

It's like doing difficult things. It's the journey that shapes us and that's the beauty. like who you become as a human being and what you learn on the way. And most people focus on the external factors or the end goal versus who they become as human beings. Welcome back, everybody. Welcome back. That clip was from our guests of the show, Terro, the founder of Four Sigmaatic,

which we have been partnered with for, I think, three years now. This is Terro's third appearance on the show. Many of you may be familiar with them. My name is Michael Bostic. I'm a serial entrepreneur and brand builder. Most recently, the CEO of the Dear Media podcast. network. Typically across her me is my wife and creator of the skinny confidential Lauren Everts, but today she is not in the studio, giving her a little break with the kid, taking a little rest and

relaxation. So just have me. I'll keep it short and sweet to the points that we can get into it. She is on this episode. Have No Fear. I know, I know you guys really want to sit here and listen to me, but don't worry, she's on the, she's on the episode two. So Terrell is one of our favorite people. We met him actually through this show a while back by learning about Four Sigma. the product that we talk about all the time. He has his mushroom coffee and elixirs, which we seem to not be able to stop talking about and taking. I take one every time I do this podcast

because we love it so much. And for those of you that have been listening for a long time, you're more than familiar with the coffee. For people that are veterans of the show, you may have also heard Terrell on episode 116 and 152. I think with a couple other guests, he may hold the record for most appearances on this show, and that's because he always brings the fire

when it comes to podcasting. If there's one entrepreneur founder that I think really, really gets this space, it's Terro. He never comes on these shows and tries to do a crazy pitch or sell. He always tells stories. He's fascinating. And he's somebody, you know, I'm always amazed by the amount of information that Terrell keeps in his head. He's one of those guys that can bring up any topic and he has a base knowledge in it. Those are the people that I always find the most interesting, which is why we love having him on this podcast because there's always something to talk about.

And it's not just about the mushrooms, right? He can talk about basically any subject. He's someone that I call for advice all the time when I'm running my own ventures, you know, pick his brain. He's really done an incredible job building for Sigmatic. And, you know, you'll see. But from this episode and all the others, we've done with him how smart he is and how a bunch of a special person is, we really, really got close with him about a year ago when

we went to Finland with him, which is a trip that Lauren and I would have never done on our own. It really took us out of our comfort zone. We went and saw the northern lights, went into like 22 degree, maybe Terrell will probably correct me on that, 22 degree water, which was free. freezing, hot, cold plunge, snowmobiling. We went ice fishing. At one point I was driving a dog sled.

I don't know how that happened. So with that, Tara, welcome back to the show. This is the skinny confidential, him and her. Do you have a lion's main shot? Michael won't give me in that lines main shot. You can have these. Yeah, let him have. Let me have one.

No, I just want one. Hold on. Can I just say this to the audience and everyone? Michael is so stingy with these lions main shots. He will not give Taylor one. Where did mine go? No, do you know why? Come here, Taylor. Come get one.

I'm getting one. No, what happens is Taylor sneaks in and steals them, and then I run out. No, me and Taylor stole one together. Perfect. I can drink this when I'm pregnant, right? Yeah, as long as you're comfortable with caffeine. I'm comfortable with caffeine. I don't know if the pregnancy police is comfortable with caffeine.

I'm comfortable with caffeine. Yeah, that's the thing. You know, I do 200 milligrams a day. And if my body tells me I don't want me more than that, then I don't have that. Sometimes I have 100 milligrams. See, that's what I think with pregnancies. there's 200,000 years of evolution that tells a woman what to take and want not to take, and then we mess with that.

It's like, why don't just listen what your body wants? We mess with every. Oh, my God, I thought Taylor stole it. It's behind the water bottle. I've never ever felt more intuitive and more like a clairvoyant than when I've been pregnant. My body literally tells me exactly what it needs when I need it. And if I am drinking caffeine sometimes, I just will put it away. I don't want it. And before I was pregnant, I wanted two cups every day. So it does tell you,

like, you know, stop. But the pregnancy police is real, Tara. It is real. I know our bodies always tells what to do. I think in a pregnancy you're just more sensitive. So I think that's the big difference when you notice it. Same if you ever go to long cleanse and then you come out of the cleanse and you have a slice of pizza and you get a headache, you know, because your body's more sensitive. But I think always if you tune in, you can hear what you need. We just ignore those messages. Or if you don't drink alcohol for a long time, then you go back in and you just get a shit house. And that's what they say about like ODs as well with drugs. It's like, it's like, I can't remember what's the percentage, but overwhelmingly those happen after you try to quit.

You get cleaned up for a while and then you go back. It was some, what you did. I'm not going to quote people always quote a fake statistic. Like 82% of ODs happen. Anyway, it's a high. It's a high amount that happened because people get clean and then they take their old it wasn't amy winehouse one of those that she went clean and then i think they can do the same amount if i have one friend that i would not do a fake statistic in front of it's you oh really no i wouldn't i just wouldn't go for a fake statistic your mind is like a steel trap i don't i don't fuck with that you know what i mean i'm gonna call BS yeah it's been one year since you've been on here and there's a lot that's happened since then we went to finland together we didn't even get a talk we didn't even get

We were meaning to get you back on here to talk about that for literally a year. But that was the trip when I was like, this guy's got a lot of shit up in his mind. Like you store a lot of random information up there. That's good information, but it's a lot. I'm not sure if it's always good information. It's good. It's good. You took us on a trip that we like would never have been able to go on if it wasn't for you taking us. So one year after, how do you feel about that trip?

Was there anything to come out of that trip that has been helpful to your data? Let me talk to you about something. Okay. Lauren, if you haven't noticed about her, she's not, she doesn't, she doesn't do so well in the cold. Yes. So first we bring her to the freezing cold. Second, she doesn't do is so well in the dark. And third, she is never been in a situation where she's trusted me to drive a dog sled in the middle of the freezing cold.

And so here's what, let me tell you what you did. You brought us out there's, hey, we're going dogs. And I figured there's going to be somebody that's going to be like behind. You know when you go skydiving and there's a person behind you and there's a person behind you. they're holding you and you're like, okay, cool. Not in Lapland. Yeah. So the next thing I know, everyone's like, okay, we're going to go dog racing, dog sledding,

and all these wild dogs are going to pull you and like my wife's there and she's going in the front. And they're like, okay, you step here to break and you let go to go. And they're like, go. And next thing I know I was driving all of these fucking dogs in the middle of a blizzard, freezing cold, dark. Lauren is, as we're going through, she's freezing and yelling at me to slow down and asking you were going so fast.

The dogs were going fast. I didn't know. Listen, there's no training. Like, literally my training for dog sledding was three minutes of a guy saying, hey,

you're going to go and step on this thing. Not three minutes. It was, here's the break. I kept asking, I said, where are we supposed to turn? Michael said,

I've never been here. I go, no, she's yelling me. She's like, where are we going? I go, Lord, I've never been to Lapland.

I've never been to, I've never driven a dog sled. I have no idea where we are. And I was like, and it's pitch black. I was like, this could take me. I liked it, though, because it takes me out of my comfort zone.

You're so used to all the, you know, things like Uber and Postmates and all these different things in L.A. And it's like a completely different world over there. And I think it's important to expose yourself to really different places. So for me, that's somewhere that I would not have gone had you not brought us there. And it was beautiful and amazing and mind opening and the cold and the heat and the dog flooding that Michael didn't know where we're going. It's different. We may have ended up going there, but it wouldn't have been that experience, right? And I think that, like, the experience you brought us to was like so, it was such a unique experience.

That's why we appreciated it because people may go over there, but they don't necessarily do the things that we did and get exposed to the cultures that we got exposed to. For sure. And I think there's something beauty about like going to the uncomfortable zone and having those experiences and letting someone else kind of take you there. Because if you take yourself there, you're not going to go that far. Or there are exceptional people that will go that far. I'm sure you've had some of them on the podcast, but generally speaking, people will not go that far. So thanks for coming.

It was a beautiful trip. And hopefully you enjoyed the nature. That was the main point. The nature's amazing. We didn't do mushrooms. No. We almost did. On that trip, no, you didn't know.

But we almost did. What's the mushroom called there? Amanita, Muscaria, or Fly Garrick. And what's the difference between Amanita and a chocolate mushroom that everyone's taking at Coachella? The chocolate mushroom probably has psilocybin, which is a different family of psychedelic mushrooms, more common. It's a little happier. And the Amanita is a little darker.

It's the red mushroom with the white dots. That's your mushroom emoji. We talked about that last time. The Mario mushroom. The Mario mushroom. And that makes you a little more like, you know, when you're bad kind of drunk, you know, you're like a little like woozy and stuff. But there's a lot of wisdom in that one as well. But the chocolate mushroom at Coachella is makes you.

geekily and lies. This one makes you face your inner demons. Yes, exactly. There's, you can have a beautiful experience and connect with nature without psychoactive compounds as well. So I'm glad you like the trip. What's your preference if you have to do one? I would say there are things that you want to do a few times in life that and actually end up being probably more helpful to you. So the Amanita would be one of those things. And then there's things you want to do quite regularly that you enjoy often. And there's probably a lot of examples of those. There are like ones in lifetime experiences

that you don't want to repeat that many times or if ever. And that's down Manita. And then there's amazing experiences like that psilocybin can provide. And what's cool now is that you can do those very much legally. There's, for example, a place in the Netherlands called synthesis, which is where you can legally go with top experts

to consume psilocybin in a control setting in a 100% legal way. And you can go to, Amsterdam and have a beautiful experience in like luxurious, you know, a lighthouse and enjoy it. And I think that's, you can do that a lot more often than the Almanita. But I don't think if Coachella is the best place. You know, it's like so many people, so much stuff. I think I think these substances are not meant to be recreational.

They're meant to be, you know, mind expanding and insightful. I agree with you. And I've only been to Coachella in my entire life. for five minutes. Five minutes. It's five minutes. I took a picture. What happened?

It's just stopped. You just went on the field. I don't have, I don't have problem with anyone that likes it. I took a picture in an Instagram and then I left. Wow. It's too. Did you get paid for that picture?

It was a job. And so we went and we did the picture and then we left and I was fine with that. But I mean, people love it. I think if you are, for me, because, you know,

if I'm going to do mushrooms, I'm not going to do it. I'm pregnant. So everyone calm down. It's going to be. somewhere that is in nature during the day. Yep. With people I trust, I think that's a big one.

You don't want to be around weird energy. Exactly. I think you're right on the spot. Those are the few things that people often get wrong. They do in a setting where they're not comfortable. Either they're not comfortable with the space and the setting or they're not comfortable with the people around you. That's a big mistake.

And being somewhere where nature is an element, I think, is huge. So I think you're right on the spot. And then Jim and Jenny from high school pop out of nowhere. You haven't seen him in 10 years in your face. Yeah. That's, that's... I made one, one horrible mistake of doing them in a place that was very public. Yeah.

And I almost had a nervous breakdown. Michael couldn't believe it. I'm not a crier. And I think I shed a tear because it was too many personalities. It was too much energy. It was, you know, like Michael said, Jenny from high school coming up to you in your face. And it's like, that's not that. it didn't do it for me. So I learned my lesson. There's not a lot of soul searching going on.

No. A lot of sweating. No, you're panicking. Now ayahuasca is such a thing to go away and do ayahuasca. What are your thoughts on that? I feel like out of everyone, you're probably pretty well researched into that. Before we dive into that, I'm going to talk about my latest obsession, my pregnancy obsession, cereal. Specifically where I get my cereal is Thrive Market. Okay, this is what I did. I went on and I ordered the coconut flakes. They're like, these organic, delicious flakes, non-GMO. And then I also ordered the honeios that taste like honeynut Cheerios. Oh, they're so good.

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And be sure when you sign up there to check out Lauren's curated page. Like many of these other substances, they've existed for a long time for reason. The main active compound DMT that you can get in Ayahuasca is actually in all living things. It's in us. They say that when you die, just before you die, that it gets extruded in a higher amount. And that's why people say that... You see the light or something? Yeah, no, light at the end of the tunnel.

You see your life flashing through your eyes. You know, in a couple seconds, you see decades of life. So it's very natural. It's been used for a long time. I think we in the society like to say something is good or bad. We're like, this is good, this bad. Now we're like saying like, you know, social media is bad. But it's brought a lot of good as well, right?

often we think things are binary when it's both. And in this case, it's a beautiful substance and offer a lot of value. But how it's used, I think there's a lot of questionable things. And how often it's used. I met a shaman Peru and was like had basically been shaman her whole life and says, like, to become a shaman like her, she had had to take it like 12 times. I know probably like 100 people in Venice who've taken it more than 20 times. Are they shaman?

No, they're not. So I think how often you do it, where you do it, with whom you do it, that's where I think it gets more problematic. Probably the reason you do it. Yeah, although I feel like a lot of people go to get something and they end up getting something that they actually need it. You know, it's not the experience you want it. It's the experience you need it.

So sometimes that does happen is that you go with a question about A and you end up realizing that it all the time is about this other thing, that you've ignored. your whole life from childhood or something like that, that you suppressed. But yes, you shouldn't do it because other people are doing it. That shouldn't be the reason. You should do it because you have an intention or curiosity or something of real deeper meaning. Have you ever done it? Yes.

Can you tell us like every detail? Do you really shit your pants or is that just? That's the first thing she went. Fuck this spiritual. Get you shit yourself. Because I wanted, that's an important thing to know because if like I'm shitting my pants, I don't really know if I want to bring my husband with me, you know? Yeah.

Like, that's an important thing to ask. It is an important thing to ask. I think vomiting is probably a lot more common than shitting your pants. So walk us through, like, did you do it in Colorado? Did you do it in Peru? Like, I want to know, like, I want to know where you did it. We got to track you down to you. You're always running around all over the place.

We got to know, we want to know when and where or how. Yeah. I think it would be more fun if once you're done with this pregnancy and, you know, breastfeeding, maybe we go undo it. somewhere and then we talk about it. I think one of the things I struggle with psychedelics is the fact that it's hard to explain certain things. So for example, you're about to give birth. It's like, how do you explain that? Like, it's pretty hard. You can try and you should try, but like there's just certain things holding your own child for the first time is probably one of those things. It's just

psychedelics is very hard to explain. And I think words are the lowest form of communication that we do. And there's so many other ways to communicate, and I just think that's a little difficult. But I think it would be fun that we would go on an experience at a point. We can go to like Costa Rica or somewhere where we can just comfortably, legally do it and have that experience. So let's like bucket after the podcast, okay? Taylor, check my schedule. I think that you would want to try it now, too, after talking to so many different people. I think at first you didn't want to, but I can tell when he just mentioned a couple of things that you're interested.

Well, like it's, like I said, it's who. So, like, I would trust Teo to do something like that. Not some of my like wacko friends that are just trying to go to hotel or somewhere and party. Like that's especially that one, you will not do it. Well, yeah, no, if it's the right setting and the right person, sure. You know, it's funny. It's like a lot of people don't. I've never done recreational drugs in my life, right?

Like, I just, and that's not a joke. That's just like, really I've never done. I never had a calling to it. Like, never done cocaine. Same. And I would say if I did. Like, you know, obviously drink alcohol. not so into you know

I've never just like I said I've never been called to want to do some kind of record I always think that I'm already enough as it is and I'm pretty turbo and imagine me on cocaine just never shut me to fuck up you know I just be too way too the fuck mind if you were on cocaine I would just move into a different house I would be the fucking worst cokehead in the world because I like to go really fast I like to talk a lot and I would just annoy everyone around me I'm already kind of close to that but stuff like this that's natural and from the earth like that that that That makes sense to me.

That I get called to. Yeah, and you're hopefully coming out of it as a better human. I remember you saying at one point when you guys took mushrooms, you found more compassion in Michael. You said that. I did find more compassion. She said, God damn, this is a beautiful man. No, I found more compassion.

And Michael was telling me things about stuff. Again, I don't even know how to explain it. He was telling me things that I subconsciously knew, but didn't consciously know. You know what this is like, though, and this is why I get what you're saying. Yeah, you can't explain it. You can't.

It's like waking up and telling someone about your dreams. It's really annoying. When you wake up and tell me about your dreams, I want to scratch my eyeballs out. Like, I'm like, go tell a friend. Also, do you know, like, when somebody hears a funny joke and then they try to retell that joke, and it's not that funny anymore if you just can't tell that.

Some people can't tell a joke. So I don't know if somebody listening to this would even find interesting. you explaining a dream or explaining about psychedelics. They're hitting the fast forward button. But what you said about mushrooms applies to other forms of psychedelics as well. So you got to be careful who you do it with, where you do it. So don't just go to some home shaman and a random person with total strangers.

You have no clue. You're exposing yourself to a really powerful experience that if you don't do it in a safe way, that could be really damaging, actually. So same rule applies. So do your research. What is that toad thing that everyone's talking about? So there's two. Actually, they're probably referring to five MEODMT, which is a Nauron toad.

You can also get it from certain grasses. But that's the strongest, basically psychedelic, at least temporarily. It's not a long experience, but you smoke this toad substance. And that's like if there's, if I was because the DMT, this is the five MEODMT. that this is like even more of like a rocket ship and you completely lose control. And then there's there's combo which is more like a frog that it's not a psychedelic, but it will like make you vomit. It's like a warrior thing where people put little drops in their arm.

But the toad is 5MEODMT. Do you know the history about the first person that figured this out? Yeah, there's the funny story. Because I figured if there's one person that knows it, but I always think like what happened to us as human beings where we figured out we could smoke part of a toad? Yeah, exactly. And there's also these funny stories like Ayahuasca, you take one root and one bark and you combine them together. Because if you just have that one vine, you're not going to get the DMT out of it.

So you have to have these like Mao inhibitors from another plan. So who figured out to combine those plans? And somebody said that the nature, the forest told them to combine those plans. So there's a lot of myth and lore around these stories as well. But it is pretty fascinating to figure out that like somebody was like, okay, I'm going to try. bunch of stuff. But then again, we all know that person who in less modern society would be willing to try all kinds of stuff. Like, we all have that friend. Like, everybody has a friend who is willing like, fuck it. I'm going to try it. Yeah, he's sitting right behind you. Taylor, have you tried mushrooms

before? At your wedding. Oh, of course. Of course. That's a great time to do mushrooms, Taylor. Why don't you just save it all up and then do it at my wedding and do a great wedding speech for me when you called me the Beast and Michael Beauty. It was after that. He tried to do this beautiful speech wedding. And first of all, he told Lauren that she had a bigger dick

than anyone at the wedding in front of our parents, Danvers, everybody. Taylor, you can insert a couple lines from your speech right here. And that he was going to blow it down. And then he tried to do a beauty and the beast analogy,

but he was so messed up that he got a confused and called me the beauty and her the beast. Oh, what about the time where he ended up at someone else's bedside when they were sleeping? We forgot about that one. I don't remember that.

Yeah, I'm sure you don't. But our friends remember it. No, we did an episode about it. It's called Mr. Piss Pants Wild Ride. It's an old episode, but we like put his speech into the show. It's really, I don't know how to explain it. My dad will never speak to him again. Sounds like a fun couple hours.

Yeah, so Taylor decides to save his mushroom experience right for my wedding when I'm walking down the aisle. He is right, though. It is kind of hard to describe the experience to like actually try to, because it's such a strange. I just remember when you were jumping in the pool, the water, to me, it felt like, I was being bathed with, I don't know, beauty in a weird way. Taylor, you were the creepiest individual. But it was a great weekend. It was a great weekend.

I wish we knew you then because we had fun. You could have came down and been the shaman. Speaking of fun, are you just having the most fun right now running your company? I see your billboards everywhere now. And it's and it just seems like a lot of fun, especially in the position you're in now. Because like, how would you describe your, you're obviously founded four-sigmatic? But what are you, like, what's your official role now? official is CEO.

Now you're the CEO, okay. Yeah, but I'm not sure am I having fun. Like, you know, in the U.S., everybody always says, it's like, or you're crushing it, killing it. Everybody's always on the up and up. And then when you find this like external success, people often like, oh, it's amazing. But I think as an entrepreneur still today,

I get like punched in the stomach like every other day and I feel like complete like shit. And then there's days when you, you feel amazing. But definitely like as the business got them bigger, you have more flexibility and freedom and you have a team that you can rely. So what good thing is that you be able to hire like really amazing people to do jobs that either you hate or things that some other people are just way better than you. And that's the same case with me is that I have an amazing team that can do a lot of stuff and make it easier. But I think as an entrepreneur, there's like all these days

still that you're like you feel like the scum of the earth and it's so hard and then there's days when you feel like you're totally winning and you feel so good so I don't think that's really changed well that's because when anything good happens you get the credit in that seat and when anything bad happens you get all the blame yeah but I also think tarot's unique because tarot is addicted to me to the process you like the process like I don't think that you're trying to get to the finish line yeah like he doesn't he's he likes the the the process you like the process process of the building and the stuff. I mean, I want to learn more about like taking a pause and and just kind of savoring the

moment a little more. But at the end of the day, it's like what's at the end of the rainbow? We're all going to die. You know, it's like if you didn't enjoy the journey or if you didn't, it doesn't mean the journey is always fun and easy, but if you didn't find it exciting, like what's the point? Like, what are we waiting for? So quick break to talk about matcha. I am obsessed with.

match especially lately it's not giving me the shakes it's the perfect balance it's all over my instagram story and it just supercharges my morning which i love so roots nutrition has this macha collagen superfood so they basically gathered up eight of the best superfoods and they're going to infuse it into your morning it's a combination of ingredients that makes your body and mine feel amazing no matter what day or time you take it so sometimes when you get coffee later in the day it gives you like the jitters, which is so annoying, matcha doesn't do that. To give you the scoop on this macha, it's a ceremonial grade macha for a calm sense of alertness and

sustained energy, which I need very much right now. The collagen protein gives you a youthful appearance, and this is going to focus more on healthy skin, healthy nails, joints, bones, everything good. And then they added a little MCT oil and some coconut milk powder for brain support and healthy fats. It has like everything in it. And then it even has adaptogens to fight stress and increase very So if you need a coffee alternative, this is it. They basically gathered up, like I said,

the eight best superfoods to take in the morning to give yourself the energy and nutrients you like. And you can even manipulate your husband or boyfriend into this. Okay. So I tricked Michael. I was like, let me just do three days without coffee and just give you matcha and see if you notice a difference. He didn't. Surprise. He's obsessed. So if you're feeling nervous to ditch the coffee, just simply substitute it with macha. All you have to do is go to root's nutrition.com. and use code skinny for 20% off. That's rootsnutrition.com, R-O-O-T-N-U-T-R-I-N dot com

and use code skinny at checkout. Cheers, enjoy. You'll be obsessed. All right, back to the show. What I found is in this, and I think this happens is when you start out, like there's a numb, like maybe you're building a business

and there's an end goal and there's a reason. And then there's like a number attached to it. Like, oh, and I might get to that number, like, I'm going to be so happy. It's going to be such great. And then you get there and like, okay, it doesn't really like change anything. and you're still running and you're still doing all the things.

But it's like it's not necessarily like this. Like you said, some external thing and some end point that actually is like, okay, you're finished and you're happy. Well, the whole point, the two secrets about starting a company or doing your own thing you could be doing as an artist is one is that it makes, that nobody ever talks about is that it makes absolutely no sense. Like if you could look at the odds of success starting your own company and the work that goes with it and that, you know, even if you're successful, it's like a seven to

10-year journey and you work 80, 90 hours and you don't sleep a bunch of nights. It makes no sense to start a company. You should only start it when you feel like it's your calling. Same as writing a book. Same as probably starting a podcast. It might seem like, oh, it's a great idea, but it's a lot of work. And a lot of, you have to do it because you love it. You love conversations.

You love meeting new people. And if you love it, awesome. The other part that I don't think enough many people comment on about being an entrepreneur or doing your own thing is the fact that the real magic saws it how you change along the journey. Like that is the real magic is like doing difficult things or even going on trips. Like you go on complete darkness in Lapland at minus 39 degrees and your husband is riding a dog sled with huskies and complete darkness in the forest. It's the journey that shapes us and that's the beauty is like who you become as a human being and what you learn on the way. And most people focus on the external factors or the end goal versus who they become as human beings.

And there are cases when some people find external success, money, power, fame, and they don't come out as a better human being at the end. But I think that should be that goal is by doing difficult things. You learn more about yourself. Same as relationships. It's kind of like, in a way, like the goal of a relationship is to learn more about yourself by living with someone else. That's like one of the beauties of love or caring about another person. I want to know the pros and cons of Finland versus United States with the mentality. Like what is a certain mentality that you see in Finland that you don't see in the United States

that you think the United States needs more of? And what is a mentality in the United States that you think maybe people in Finland need more of? There's so many. Is there something specific? Maybe you could do it as it pertains to entrepreneurship or like work-life balance. Yeah. Or I'm interested in work-like balance selfishly. Or even just the idea of like what a successful life looks like.

Doesn't have a financial benchmark. Could just be like what a- Doesn't have to do with money. Just success in general. So what I'll start with the positives on the U.S. What I love is that when in the U.S. people love when I go to an airplane and I sit next to someone and is like, do you do? Well, I sell mushrooms. And they're like, they have no clue and they don't probably

care at all about mushrooms. But they're like generally like, good for you. Like, good that you do your thing. It's like, whereas Europe is like, why would you do that? It's like more, it's an older society. Here people are more open to it. So I love the positivity and the go get them attitude of the US and, you know, the hard work. Americans work really hard. And Europeans, including Finnish, don't work that hard. Like they, there's, you know, work life balance. I'll get to that. But like people work even as entrepreneurs sometimes.

They're already 40 hours and there's a here. It's unheard of, right? So I think the positivity and the excitement and the openness to new things, like in the US people are very open to new things. The challenge is the fact that like I think you forget why you're doing it. You forget the connection with family, nature, the beautiful things in life, arts, culture and that's probably the big thing is like is finland people are more connected to nature so even if they're working hard they take their time to go to the sauna and the to the frozen ocean or lake and

and do that and spend time with the family over the weekend where where here people work kind of like 24-7 more and i think also in finland generally people when you grew up in a society where you know that you're an underdog i feel like you're more open to the world i feel like the u.s is very u.s focused even like Canada seems something super foreign or anything like that. So the other part is that people in Europe, including Finland, are a little more like globally minded and more aware of what's going on in China or Nigeria or whatever may be. And here it's really all about the US. Even it's more about even your state at some cases. Like in Texas, it's about Texas. It's not about the world. So I think those are the pros and cons. But as an entrepreneur, I would say it's

easier to be in the U.S. is more entrepreneurial-minded, but then if you look at quality of life, Europe, generally speaking, has a better quality of life. But I think what people, what I think people don't talk about is, yes, we're completely, as a country, very entrepreneurial-minded. But we're also like, if you're an entrepreneur and you get out there and you fuck it up and you don't make it, like, nobody's coming to help. You're on your, you're done. We don't, we don't have homeless people. Because, like, the government will get you a house. Like, but that's funny. It's like, not people are not willing to take risks in that case. Because they know that there's a safety net, but that's,

it's odd because you think if there's a safety net, you're like you should take even more risk because nothing can go wrong. But here when there's no safety net, people take it even more risk because there's the carrot is bigger, I would say. Well, and also it's like that burn your boats mentality, right? Like if you fuck it up, then you're done. Exactly. And with us, there is such a safety net and you always will be fine.

and that often ends up people not even necessarily always trying. What are some very specific and very detailed things that you miss about Finland? I would say air quality, water quality, pretty simple things. There's a certain level of simplicity that is really refreshing, almost minimalistic. And that just goes around everything. Like here, because there's everything is possible, everything is possible, and then there has million things versus in Finland it's a more straightforward life it's kind of like to use a beauty anecdote like you have 17,000 products to take and then you're like for every

occasion of the day you have a different product versus like if you boil it down there's probably few things that you truly need and that's how the society in Finland is that you're really focused on few things that matter and then there's less of this range so I think water quality, air quality, nature, simplicity are some of the stuff that I like particularly mission. And then certain foods and certain people, but that's more specific. What's going on with the women over there? American women versus finishing are going to get in trouble? Don't blush too much.

Okay. Really amazing skin over there. Like, remember you introduced me to a couple women from over there, their skin is like crystal clear. Yeah. Well, I think it's because here, okay, let's use that as an anecdote for how people think about life there versus here. Maybe that's that's a good lesson. The skin has like probably speaking 10 different functions that are important for it. It obviously protects us from pathogens and

viruses. So if immunity, it maintains our moisture levels. It keeps our temperature. We can sense things. And so there's about 10 things it does. It like it removes toxins. Like a lot of people don't know, but our sweat actually has urine in it, side fact. But... Wait a minute. Hold on. So you're telling me that if I, it's more than sweating and I kiss it. It has urine. There's urine in it. Hmm. I'm always sweating. Yeah, we all are. And urine is not necessarily that, as bad as people think. But back to the story is only one of them is the aesthetic. And here it's really about aesthetic. But the skin renews itself, depending how old you are, it takes anywhere from like a few days as a baby to when you're

old or maybe three months might take. Most people in their 20s, 30s, 40s, it takes about month, month and a half to renew. And we're very focused on just on the surface and we're treating it with all kinds of stuff versus there it's more about like general health, like good quality water, good quality of food that creates healthier cells. So I don't think if you look at the women you met who have a beautiful skin, if you look at their skincare routine or something, they're not doing anything crazy. It's like soap and some basic stuff. But the fact is that their skin fundamentally is healthier. They're made out of healthier. Their goddess healthier. They're less stressed out. Like cortisol is really bad

for your skin. Is when you're stressed out, that really hurts your skin. So I think fundamentally, they just live a healthier life and a healthy environment, hence their skin is also better. When you were stressed out the other day, I looked to you and I was like, bro. I was like, he was talking to me. I couldn't concentrate on my spaghetti. You, I was like, you got to go get a facial. So one of the things we wanted to talk about, and like, I know you guys have a product

that you, that you ingest for skin. But we were going to talk about the basically the external skin care versus internal. Like, is it a combination? Is it like, where do you, like, if you were going to say like the balance of good skincare, how much of it is ingesting internal things, the right things versus external? Well, I would say its majority is what, not just what you ingest, but how you live, like stress and sleep. Like sleep is so huge for skin quality. And the product you put on your face or the skincare routine is a small, it's a minority.

Is it 10% 20% third? I don't know, like the exact percentages, but it is a smaller amount compared to things like hydration, like how much water do you drink enough water? Like that matters way more to skin what you ingest. And I think there's just a disconnect in general in the society. We're really focused on is on this beauty routine without understanding what does the skin do, kind of like referred to is we're only focused on like one of the 10 main functions, which is the aesthetic and we ignore all the other functions.

Like no matter how much you scrub your skin, there's always going to be bacteria. So your skin has every inch has tons of 100 millions of bacteria. And that's good. The bacteria is good. it's actually what's keeping your skin healthy. And I think a lot of people, when they have a skincare routine, they're really focused on the short-term solution. Because if you do use a serum or a moisturizer or whatever,

you're solving the more immediate thing. But fundamentally, you want to build healthy body that builds healthy cells. Then it's a lot easier to use the serum after that. You have less, it's almost like you have a house that has a beautiful, you paint the beautiful walls, but there's nothing inside, and there's no running water. And fundamentally, it's like, you want to build a great house, and then it looks better as well.

And ingestable beauty is growing a lot. So I think the connection people are connecting is like, oh, wow, like what I take inside actually matters. And funny enough, a lot of the color pigments of skin are also found in foods. And I think this whole idea of rainbow diet is so ancient, but things like keratinoids, do affect your skin quality.

So what you get, these color pigments that you get in foods, melanin you can get, including in the Chalka mushroom, you can find high amounts of melanin that affects your skin quality. So there's definitely things you can eat that improve your skin, but skin is so much more a reflection of your whole lifestyle,

stress levels, sleep, hydration, and not just the beauty products you take. If you guys are gonna start with any of his skincare, I really, really like the serum. And that's one that you can put on your face and you can also eat it. Yeah. So cool.

Well, the thing, that's the other thing is like, why do people not realize that things absorb? Like, people put nicotine pads and they absorb nicotine. But somehow they think that putting skincare doesn't go into your bloodstream. And so many skincare products, so many skincare products have like polymers, like lily plastic. And they're putting it in. Yeah. And that's the thing that, frankly, when we launched the skincare, I fucked up. I didn't realize how deeply rooted this, like what I consider a problem or misconception in society was.

I thought most skincare is sold with just like one or two ingredients. And then there's another 50 at the back that nobody ever highlights. You can't even pronounce those. And I thought it would be important to show all ingredients. Because in food, if you go and you buy chickbee pasta, you turn the box and look at what is this actually made out of? And then you look at, okay, it's pretty clean ingredients. I'll eat this. But then when you do beauty, you just focus on.

one or two like call out ingredients. Retinal, vitamin C. Yeah, and then you focus out some vitamin C serum. And then you never look, some people do, but most people don't look at the back and look at what else is here. And then there's ingredients that they can't even pronounce. So when we started, we started talking about a skincare product

same way as we talk about food and realize that that's not how skincare users are used to. They're used to being just call out one ingredient and ignore the rest and then the rest is marketing. I looked at L'Oreal's public statements, and they literally like Estilloderre, and L'Oreal spends 3 to 4% of the ingredient cost on the actual product. So if you buy $100 serum, it's really like cost at them like $3, $4, out of which only about $1 of that $100 product is the actual product,

and then $2 to $3 or $3 to $4 is on packaging. So it's mostly you're paying $100 for a dollar with really nice packaging and the lifestyle. And instead, maybe you should take that $100 and take some of that money on things like focusing on your sleep quality and stress and going to a ice bath or a fascia release or whatever. Like that fascia release might improve your skin quality more than many expensive skincare item. I am obsessed with fascia release right now. I'm telling you, Michael, I walked out. It just endorphins through your whole body, Michael. it's amazing and it's wild because you're I asked the doctor today I said how come when I get a

massage it's not the same release and he's like because we're it's like a piece of prosciutto you're breaking up that white part and you don't have to do it a hundred times you just have to do it four times he breaks up the white part and it just releases all this like he's up in my neck but it's releasing my hip it's wild I'm telling you I probably need it but I don't know if I was to an appointment he also said he goes I'm not going to treat your husband and this is for all the husbands out there. Turn this up, guys. Turn this up.

He said, I will not treat your husband if your husband wears his wallet in his back pocket. He said, it's going to fuck up all the work I do. He said, okay. So not that if I've done that in the past, he's saying moving forward, I got to like switch pockets. No, no, no. There cannot be a wallet in your back pocket. He said when you sit down. Yeah, after he treats me.

Put it in front of your penis. Put it under your balls. Do not put it in your fucking back pocket. I'm going to just start wearing a fanny pack. I don't care what you do. Just don't think of it. So this brings me to my next question. I am a huge, huge fan of ice.

Ice facials, ice roller, cryo, because I was so swollen for four years from jaw surgery. And truly the only thing that worked with facial manipulation and ice. You know a lot about ice. You're a balsy motherfucker when it comes to ice. Can you talk about the benefits of that? Yeah, we were talking with some. How cold was that water we went into? It was probably about 25 degrees because obviously water freezes before that, but they

had a little stream so it can get a little colder. I think that day when we went, it was like minus 19 outside. So it was like minus 19 Fahrenheit outside and I would say 24, 25 probably the water. That was no joke. But it's actually to me, it's almost easier to go into that water and stay for a minute or two than sometimes do a cold shower. Cold showers are really difficult for me because there's more air and exposure and it's like spatting the water versus just immersing in the really cold.

But yeah, ice, there's so many wellness routines and I'm such a sucker. It's such a lifestyle. I buy all the new stuff. But there's really like when it comes down to what truly works. There's like few things that are guaranteed to work. And one of them, fascia release for sure. And the other one is hot, cold therapy, but particularly the cold. So ice is one of the best healers than there is.

And there's a bunch of reason of what happens. I think what basically, basically does is in a more, more simplistic way is by doing hot and cold, particularly cold, you are healthy blood circulation. So healthy blood circulation is so valuable. And in calming down inflammation, which is another thing that's chronically problematic in our society, both inflammation in our digestive tract, but also inflammation just being stressed out and everything, in your case from a surgery. But that eyes really calms it down. And I have a really met any person who doesn't get benefits from ice. Like, I really don't know anybody.

It can be uncomfortable, same as the fascia release when they put a finger in your mouth and release your jaw and it hurts so much. Oh, yeah, that is normally. But that does immediately help you out. So sometimes the answer that works is not the most fun. It would be more fun if it would be like massage is more fun than fascia release, but fascia release is probably more effective. same way as with the ice treatment. So I highly recommend ice. It is also good for beauty and anti-aging, but generally it will release certain endorphins in our body,

and it also does help with things like sleep that further snowballs you into a healthier lifestyle. I'm a huge fan of ice. You need to get cold. Remember when I took you to cryotherapy? What does it do with? And I videoed you with your balls shriveled up your butthole. Yeah.

I would say I would, recommend ice bath over cryo cryo is better than nothing but i would generally say the benefits you get from cryo are much smaller than the benefits you get from an ice bath even though it's cryo technically is colder my friend weston is ice rolling his face every single morning he's absolutely addicted i do it every morning michael's into ice too just ice on the face in the morning when you're puffy and you've been laying down there's nothing like it yeah so why isn't more people doing it it's It's pretty simple. It's one of the easiest things to do.

It's inexpensive as well. I realize that people don't want the simple answer. Like when I, and I'll tell you how I realize it's. People don't want to be uncomfortable. No, I don't think it's that. I don't think that ice, going your whole body into ice is really uncomfortable. I think the face one is not that uncomfortable. I think if in the morning you put it in your face in some sort of like,

do you use one of those gel mask or how do you, how do you use it? I have an ice roller that I use, a very specific one and I roll my face with it. And it's not that uncomfortable. No, it's not uncomfortable. I'm telling Michael, I think that people don't want the simplistic answer, which is why you were saying you fucked up with the skincare, because it's almost like they want the list of 800 ingredients. It's so wild to me.

And I don't know if that's just an American thing. But when I tell when people are like, oh, how did you get your swelling down? I'm like 50% of it was facial manipulation. It's the same. Rubbing my face and then moving the fluid down my neck. with lymphatic drainage and that's such an easy answer because you could do it right now it's the same reason why it's the same reason why like when it comes to diet and weight loss and fitness people would just they want to be able to take something you know they want to buy this supplement

and that's going to solve they don't want to hear like hey you know add a little more vegetables out a little more lean protein go to the gym get a sweat and work out if you want to get they don't want to do it if you want to get really ripped like sprinting like running and sprinting is not even for that long it like sprint running is probably one of the easy and most effective ways to get shredded. It's uncomfortable. Run uphill. Do 10 sprints up the hill.

It's uncomfortable, but it works. Running uphill. Okay, but here's my theory on sprinting, and I would love to know what you think. I do not want to sprint or run because I think, and this is my opinion, I think that it sogs your skin. I think it sags your tits.

I think it sags your vagina. I think it sags your knees, and I think it sags your face. Now, if you're doing it for long periods time. Over and over and, okay, so for me, I'd rather do walking. I think that walking for me, it lowers my cortisol.

We talked about cortisol. The sprint is upping the cortisol. I'm huge on walking. You should definitely walk and you should walk way more. You don't have to sprint that often. Most of the day you should walk where we're just sitting everywhere like right now. So we're just sitting. So walking is a better daily activity.

That being said, to your sagging point, then maybe you should run uphill or because then you're not really bouncing because when you run on flat, you're bouncing. a lot. If you go uphill, you're kind of like, it's harder. It's better for your knees as well. A lot of people don't know how to run, which sounds really funny, but they, their pose is, but when you run uphill, you're naturally more in the correct position of running. It's like going downhill is the worst. Downhill, but even in flat, most people don't know how to run, but when you go uphill, you're more naturally in the correct positioning. So going uphill or even walking really, really steep uphill on like short spurts

is better. So maybe you walk uphill on shorts. I knew you would know the answer. But it's not completely wild that I think that, right? No. And that's the other part about to the skin is like as we age as human beings, a skin quality starts to go down and collagen production goes down and other things happen. But by maintaining healthy habits, it happens slightly slower.

So to sum it up for the audience, what are three wellness things? that you would recommend that you've tried and you think they deliver? I would say sleep is number one. Agreed. So, and you can achieve this in many ways, but generally speaking, having the room darker, keeping the room colder, even if you really don't like the cold, sleeping in a colder room with warm blankets, probably is going to improve your sleep quality. There's things like the chili pad where you can put it under your blanket and control the

temperature, but sleep by far the most important. We talked about the other one, which is ice. I would recommend ice cold, but always end with the cold. Don't end with the warm. So go to the sauna, cold plunge, but end with the cold. Or end being a little bit on the colder side than warmer side. And then I would say various hydration is key. I think a lot of people end up drinking water, but they still are dehydrated.

So adding cucumber, lemon, lime into your water is probably helpful. Also, thinking about things that you consume in large amounts. So if coffee, something you consume in large amounts, being mindful of coffee consumption as well, what kind of coffee? Some are more dehydrating than other coffees. Also, when you have coffee, remember to have water as well. So like things like that. So sleep, hydration, and hot cold is something I would recommend.

And I would, same as with the fascia, I would be shocked if those don't work when done right. it's just like evolutionary they're in us so what's your morning routine I don't have a morning routine I have themes that do change seasonally I think that's how me the themes get into it terror so the themes is like how is it possible that we live year around the same way like I don't think that was meant to be I don't think we're meant to eat the same food there is a fatty season you know indulge the fatty season but then there's also the fatty season the winter the winter is the fatty season so there's nothing wrong with being a little chubby, you know? It's like just get a little chubby.

But then, you know, have that season when you're like eating more salads and lighter. And the temperature used to control it. But some of us in this modern day life because we're so much indoors, we forget the elements. And then we don't have seasons. But what is similar about morning routines a year round to me is hydration, huge, huge, huge, huge, hydration. Getting the blood moving, you could do it with, you know, your rollers. by, but I like yoga or some sort of like going fresh air, going for a walk, first thing.

Like you have so much more energy. You don't need coffee if you get fresh air in the beginning. And then you have the coffee maybe later. So that's really valuable. So for example, this morning, wake up, have a bunch of water. Now I've been doing protein smoothies. I often fast in the morning. But now I do like protein smoothies first thing in the morning.

What's the protein source? Orsigmatic. Yeah, we have a protein now. But so I'm having that. Before that, I would make my own similar blends that we do, but I would have to buy multiple products because I don't like gums and natural flavors. I'm not big on these gums. I think they mess up our gut.

Our gut is our second brain. Gut also impacts skin quality so much. So I would buy these like really clean protein sources. Then I would mix them because they taste gnarly. So then I mix them with other stuff to make it taste better. But protein powder, blueberries, wild blueberries, water, ice, that's fundamentally it. Sometimes I put like nut butters or something like that for more energy. Then I do Ashtanga right now. I do a morning series 1A, 1B, and then once my body kind of warms up

after that, then I do, depending on the day, something else. Then I call my mom. I face time because she's 10, we have a 10 hour time difference. So it's either early in the morning or in the evening. So talk to the family. And that's where kind of the day starts. Those are non-negotiables. successful person that comes on this podcast has a space in their morning that's just for them. It's so interesting. Like they create space to talk to their family or to read or to move their body or to hydrate. No one has come on this podcast. Why do you think that is?

I think that it's so chaotic to be an entrepreneur and to be a successful person that you have to have that foundation of your day in the morning to yourself to get your mind right. It's time to think. Or you can't focus. I agree. I do see some people over performing there where they have a two-hour morning routine that gets overboard. But that I made a joke the other day is like, I get home from work. By 3 p.m. I'm just kidding. We're still on the morning routine. It's not. It's a one hour but I would say I would also recommend trying to split the day half. So I take a nap middle of the

day. But if you can find ways to in the middle of day, have a siesta, go for a walk, go work out, do something that breaks the day half, and that often you get the sick and morning. My friend Ingrid, she's from France. She goes to lunch, and she sits down for one hour uninterrupted and has a glass of wine with a friend or a family member, and that's very common in Europe. Very.

Michael and I'm not going to say it, so don't freak out, we have a foot spa where we go. That's a hole in the wall, disgusting, dirty footspola. I got to end my day there because I get too tired after. We go around five and we will just like read on our phone. Sometimes he doesn't even go on his phone. I don't go on my phone. I go there and let these guys.

They don't speak English. No one speaks English and it's dark and it's who knows what's happening in the back. And it's amazing. But you're right. Like a nap or something to break up the day is really smart. Yeah. You get a second morning. You get it's just like there's these phases like same as we talked in the beginning about being

an entrepreneur is up and down. But I think year is up and down, but our days are up and down as well. So not assuming that you're always on top of it. Like, why do you sit on the computer or try to get work done when you're tired and not focus? Like, go for a walk. Do productive things when you're productive. Don't try to be productive when you're not productive. And taking these breaks is so valuable and walking.

I love walking. So I definitely with you with that. I love your advice because it's simple. It's educational. It's tangible things. Do I need to make it harder though? to sell product, I got to make it complicated based on your advice. No.

People want to complicate it. Nope. I think you just keep doing what you're doing. Speaking about what people want. What is, before we go, because, I mean, we could talk forever. What is, is there, we haven't talked in a year on the mic. We've talked before. Yeah.

We've talked off the mic. But is there a trend that you've seen over the last year that you just fundamentally disagree with that you don't like? Is there anything that comes top of mind or maybe not? Like, is there just something that you see people doing like as blanket? Well, again, like I think people say good and bad, but then I see certain things get really trendy that get misunderstood. I think collagen is one of them. I think although collagen is can be helpful, it's often misunderstood. So a few things that I think now that collagen has been all the craze

for the last couple of years. There's a couple, many kinds of collagen. The type one collagen actually gets killed by our stomach acid. So if you buy a product that doesn't have the type two collagen, it probably doesn't even get absorbed. Secondly, collagen, although helpful, is not a complete amino acid. So our body gets kind of confused. So unless you consume collagen with a complete protein such as, you know, way or pea protein or something else, you're probably also not going to absorb it. So collagen is an example that although has all these amazing health benefits that people get excited, people don't know that they use bad collagen that doesn't absorb.

They use it in a way that is not meant to be absorbed. And yeah, that's a big problem. And then finally, like a lot of people don't know where collagen comes from. from like your boiling hides and, you know, things like that. And it's a lot of, I see like a bunch of vegans even like, it's like super into collagen. And it's just like there's nothing wrong. Do you do you?

But just do you know where that comes from? And then do you know what type of collagen you're using and do you know what you're combining with? But taking high quality collagen scooping into a protein fine, but like know that it's type two collagen and tied with a complete protein. Otherwise it's just waste of money. And so people are wasting their money on these wellness. products to feel better. They just came out a study where they're literally saying that

millennials will live shorter than Gen X. So, so the previous. What was the reason? The reason is that we have, we go, we drink the collagen drink, we go to Pilates, we do all these wellness things that the previous generation didn't, but we're so fucking stressed out. We're like freaking out about everything and we're worrying about everything and therefore like chill, you know, is like, I think, looking at me, Lord. You need to chill. No, I'm not stressed. I'm feeling pretty good. Okay. Yeah. Keep going. So just to talk about wellness trends, I'm not saying that college is a, it's a bad thing. I was just saying it's like, know where you're getting it from and how you're using it. Otherwise, you're just wasting your money on something.

Bell, Campo, bone broth? What is that great? So that's the thing is like, our ancestors had all the answers and we're just like, they had bone broth or they used broth as a base for a soup. You would have chicken soup or something. You didn't even necessarily want the meat. You wanted the soup, the broth. And it's so refreshing and amazing. And then same with like many other things. Like we we have the skill of like trying to make it too complicated when you just go and look at what your grandma had. And you know, grandma might have taken a couple shots of whiskey at night and maybe had a little bit of things that we consider to be unhealthy. But grandma did a lot of things right. We were at this disaster prepared seminar thing.

So I won't get into detail. But it was one of the topics that came up is like, okay, in a natural disaster, earthquake, fire, whatever. What if the cell towers are down? And everyone with the people that were there were freaking out. Like no cell phone. We don't have a cell phone. How are we going to get how are we going to live?

How are we going to get in touch people? What are we doing? And I was sitting there. All I could think is we as the human race, human species has lived for thousands and thousands and thousands of years without cell phones, with all these natural disasters, the cell phone and some of these things, like they've made us feel very safe, but they've also imprisoned us in some ways. Okay, if you don't have a cell phone, you can't make a call, and you've got to navigate

through the disaster. It's simple as that. Like, it's been done before. You do like when I share my location with you, though, don't lie. Sure, but I'm saying it was incredible when you see how many people were debilitated with the thought that in a disaster, their cell phone wouldn't work, and then because of that, they would have no idea how to survive. But now, if the cell phone's cough, at least,

you know how to write huskies through the... Yeah, no, I'm fine. To a snowstorm. I'll do a message in a bottle for you. Honestly, this is going to be selfish. And probably some of those people that were at the seminar might hear this. But all I could think the whole time when everyone was in a panic was, as long as I'm better than 99% of the people here that are freaking out, I'm good.

Right. Like, these are the ones, these are the people. Wow. I'll hop on the back of a husky. I'll hop on your back. You know what I'm going to do in a disaster? Look to Michael. Do you get what I'm saying?

It was like people could not. That's efficient. They couldn't fathom what would happen if they didn't have cell service. And I was like, well, if that's the way your focus is, and you can't survive without this device that's in your phone and as a human being on the planet, you've got bigger problems. Here's the million dollar question. Okay.

And you can only pick one. This is how we're going to, we're going to round it out. You have to go to the moon and you can only bring one for a schematic product. And I'm going to need to know why you're bringing the same. one. You can only bring one. For the rest of your life, what are you bringing? I'm going to be so focused on the fucking wood. I'm bringing the

mushroom cacao powder. Yeah, I'll probably die very quickly considering the circumstances at the moon. So I'll probably also Bill bring this Rishi hot chocolate because it will make me less stressed out. At least I'll die a happy man in the moon. So I'll also do the same.

It's so relieving and relaxing to take this Rishi mushroom the queen of mushrooms and that in chocolate. That's delicious. So I'll take the Rishi hot chocolate. You love the queen. Who doesn't?

Or do you want to adjust the good skin care so that you just look? No, no, Michael, he just said he's going to take. Because if you're going to die quickly, you want to preserve a good. He's going to take the Rishi hot chocolate. Okay. You and Taylor can take the focus. Am I alone? You're alone.

Oh, okay. Because there's also the Cordyceps mushroom that is the nickname is Cordycex mushroom. But that's, if I don't think you're fucking on the moon. No? No. Getting one last pump in before you go. Man can dream, huh? You know what?

You can drink your Reishi hot chocolate and self-pleasure yourself. I think that's enough. Yeah, yeah, it is. Just relax yourself, look down at earth. Yeah, it's very time efficient, you know, masturbation. You know, it's like putting. Yeah, Taylor knows all about it. Booting money in the bank, really, as an entrepreneur.

Taylor has all different types of tactics and efficiencies when it comes to masturbation. That's the whole podcast. the poison out. It's getting the, that's what I said my dad would tell me. It's getting the poison out. Yeah, because listen, this stuff makes us do dumb things and makes us think, you know. But that being said, if, like, if you then also end up watching, I mean, we're going to real a sidetrack here. But if you end up watching then porno and you watch porn and then, like, does that make you a better man? And then the second thing is like, you know, masturbation, you squeeze and you lose a lot of sensitivity. So I think a lot of men would do better if they would not watch porn and not masturbate.

so they become more sensitive. Wow, Taylor, did you hear that tip? That's the tip of the day for you. I don't think that's going to happen for me. No, Taylor has a little bit of a, he loves to masturbate. But Taylor also has. No, I know, but the porn is, we've, you've told that story multiple times. But the porn thing, yeah, I mean, I know it's supposed to desensitize you to your,

or sexually aroused you get for it, like over a period of time. But still, I mean, I'm going strong. Like, how many times a week are you masturbating? I mean, not that many. Just like a normal person. I want, I can't wait to hear about it. Stop, stop. Now we're going to define what do you envision as a normal person. I just want to hear this.

Well, it varies, I guess. No, but put the number. Be dead on it. Whatever he says, he's thinking like deducting five. Yeah, he's like, okay. No more than five times a week. Oh, so 10. 10.

No, no, I mean, maybe five to 10 depending on. So that's normal person five to 10. That's your gauge. I mean, here's a good question. How about you? No, no, no. You go in that weird cave and pull out those V8. No, he doesn't.

This is my fucking show, Taylor. I asked questions. All right. You know what? Let's end it on that. Where can everyone find you on? A really strong finish. It's like, literally.

Literally. Don't want poor. Taylor. Yeah, Taylor needs to go to the bathroom. Okay. Where can everyone find you in Four Sigma? Yeah. For Sigma.

All the social online, Four Sigma, is F-O-U-R-S-I-G-M-T-I-C. You don't need to find me. Find yourself. you know. If they don't know about four-sigmatic now, they've been living under a rock. And just asking you and putting you on the spot,

should we do a fun giveaway where we can do a bunch of different four-sigmatic products? Yeah, let's do it. Yeah, let's do a basket of the skincare and the hot chocolate. Two of my favorites. It'll be a very skinny, confidential-esque, four-sigmatic basket. All you guys have to do is follow at four-sigmatic on Instagram

and tell us your favorite part of this episode with Tara, which I don't know. There's so many places you could go. on my latest Instagram at the Skinny Confidential. Taylor's masturbation. Four Sigma-S page. It's gonna love the masturbation. Yeah.

Oh. Throw in some of this line main because this stuff is good too. Are you trying to get free lines maes? No, not for me. I'm saying for the listeners. You did this on the drunk elephant episode. You inserted yourself into the conversation

and asked for free skincare. So I feel like you're trying to get free lines main right now. No, I'm giving back to the people. Okay. What? How? Okay. You've given back enough in the last 10 times a sake.

We'll add linesman. into the basket. It's always fun. Thanks guys. One of the record holders here. Am I? Wow. Next time you come on, it will be after ayahuasca.

After ayahuasca, when I've had the baby. And I'm going to take you up on that. Deal. Okay. We'll go somewhere. We'll talk offline. Here come to pregnancy police again. Yeah.

You can't have your breastfeeding. Can't have ayahuasca. Add a siren, Taylor. Yeah. Thank you guys for tuning in again for another episode of the Skinner. confidential him and her. For those of you that want to learn more about FourSigmatic are just intrigued about to have not tried it yet. Make sure you go to foursigmatic.com slash skinny for 15% off your entire order. Like I said, they've been a partner of this show for a very long time. You just

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