The Bossticks - How To Make It As An Artist In A Digital World With William Tyler Story

Episode Date: September 6, 2019

#213: On this episode we sit down with artist, William Tyler Story to discuss all things art and creativity. We dive into what it takes to stand out as an artist in a digital world and new tactics that you can take as a creative person to promote your own creativity. For any artists out there looking to make their mark and create a profession utilizing your passion, this is the episode for you! To connect with William Tyler Story click HERE To connect with Lauryn Evarts click HERE To connect with Michael Bosstick click HERE Read More on The Skinny Confidential HERE For Detailed Show Notes visit TSCPODCAST.COM To Call the Him & Her Hotline call: 1-833-SKINNYS (754-6697) This episode is brought to you by FOUR SIGMATIC We have been drinking this company's mushroom-infused elixirs and coffees for over a year now. When we need a break from coffee but still need that extra morning jolt and focus the Mushroom Coffee with Lion's Mane and Chaga is the way to go. Lauryn also drinks the Mushroom Matcha which is a green tea designed as a coffee alternative for those of you who want to cut back on caffeine without losing focus and cognitive boosts. This stuff doesn't actually taste like mushrooms, it's delicious. All of these blends have a ton of nutrients and amino acids to give you balanced energy without the jitters. To try FOUR SIGMATIC products go to foursigmatic.com/skinny and use promo code SKINNY for 15% off all products. Produced by Dear Media  

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A very smart cookie. And now Lauren Everts and Michael Bostic are bringing you alone for the ride. Get ready for some major realness. Welcome to the Skinny Confidential, him and her. In their own way, we're all born with some time. type of creativity, I can't believe otherwise, you know? I just think some people choose to pursue whatever their creative route is, and then others decide that's not for them. This is the skinny confidential, him and her show. My name is Michael Bossack, everybody, because I was trying to new,

I was trying to new radio voice there. That clip was from our guest to the show today, William Tyler Story. Lauren almost just had an aneurysm when I did that voice. You love to play with different voices. I mean, it's, now he's listening to Marty Robbins on repeat every morning when he has his coffee. What do you mean now? I've been doing that for about 20 years. Yeah, but now it's like, for some reason, it's going crazy lately. And so he's experimenting with like a Texas accent all the time. So I have to hear all these different people come out of your mouth. Might have to adjust your old earbuds there, buddy. That's a not a Texas accent. What is it? I'm not talking to Texas, Texas accent. Fuck off. Whatever. Fuck off. Everybody. Here we go. Back to the show.

Yeah, do you know what? I'm getting this weird thing now where our friends' parents are starting to listen to this show. It's putting me very, very on edge because the first thing I think is, oh, my God, what the hell did they hear? Really? I don't care. I would let anyone listen. Yeah, but you know the problem is? What? Parents, if you're out there, friends, parents, adults, you know, if you're there, the problem is, is they enter in these conversations with me where they talk to me for 20, 30 minutes, and then 20, 30 minutes, and they go, by the way, I heard this episode. And I'm like, just tell me from the beginning because it makes it very awkward after it.

I'm like, what the fuck do they hear? I feel like you're talking about someone in particular. No, no, I'm talking about a few people. It's happened a few times now. Oh, wow. Are you giving autographs and making selfies? No, I mean, it's just, listen, you know, you got cousin Sue comes in out of nowhere and they're saying like, hey, I heard when you were talking about kundalinguists on the show with sex with Emily,

and it's a little bit awkward. Yeah, I don't know. It's never been awkward for me. I feel like I've always had a bad mouth ever since I was little. My dad's just used to it at this point. Since this episode... Look at this Jan Zier here. What's going on here with you?

We got Mimi in the studio. She's taking about 85 selfies. What's wrong with you? I'm just trying to get one good one. The light's not that great. You know, my hair is looking weird. You do look pretty cute. If you didn't get it on the first 25, you didn't get it.

I have hope. Mimi came in in her hoodie with her hat. She's taking her selfies. Okay, so since this episode is having to do with art, I thought we would talk a little bit about how we're styling our home. That's been kind of a hot topic. on Instagram. Instagram DMs.

A lot of you guys have been asking about the art that we have in our house and I thought that this was the perfect episode to open the discussion.

So what we decided to do for this house was mix masculinity with femininity. So our other house is super masculine. Like the condo. It's like really masculine.

And so this house has a little bit of femininity but not too much skinny confidential if that makes sense. No, I mean one

one man can only take so much pink. What? Babe, come on. So much hot pink. It's a lot to deal with. Yeah, you got a lot of pink going on, don't you? Anyways, so how we styled our house was we decided, like I said, to do heavy on the masculine, a little bit of feminine. And we got a lot of our stuff through our friend Cortland. He sources stuff out of Palm Springs. Now, if you're ever in Palm Springs, you've got to go to the antique stores. They have a mid-century modern design and they have the most incredible, like, pieces. So a lot of the pieces in our home you guys have asked me to link. I can't link because it's stuff from antique stores.

And then we really, really focused on using wallpaper. Wallpaper is such a good hack. Well, you can turn like a very basic room into something really cool. One thing I think is important to mention about art. Everyone's like, okay, where do you get that? Everyone wants to collect it all at once when they move into new place. I think the best thing about art is taking your time, collecting it over years, years and years. There's stuff that we've had now for 10, stuff I've had for.

10, 15 years. Yeah, we like to build slowly. That tip came from my stepmom. She does homes in San Diego, Burlap and Crystal, and she told us to go really slow. So, we decided not to be the kind of people that go into Z Gallery and just say, give me this room. You know who you are if you're

a Z gallery and just, you know, you go and you're going to say that room and you pick a room. Yeah. No, no, no. I wanted to go really slow and I wanted to bring pieces from all different places in. But if you're on a budget, I would highly recommend wallpaper. We did Michael's bathroom with this Kate Moss wallpaper and the whole entire bathroom was wallpapered

with Kate Moss's naked body. Hopefully you didn't masturbate in that bathroom. You probably did, huh? Which one? Anyway, so that was really fun. And then you can also use wallpaper like design. So we'll do like one wall that's completely patterned out and then the other walls are painted. So use wallpaper. That's my tip. I don't have a lot of places to tag or shout out because like like I said, a lot of it's from antique stores. And our couch, a lot of people ask about our couch. Well, the couch is from restoration hardware. Yes.

The cloud collection. Do you like the couch? I do like it, but we got it in black, right? And so the dog is always on there making a mess. And so it's a whole thing. Tell me about Boone's weird tick. Yeah, we got a dog here that just, for whatever reason, just likes to throw up on the couch. No, like you have to give more context than that.

I don't know. He just likes to puke on the fucking couch. He won't puke anywhere else in the house, but on the restoration cloud couch. Like he has this weird tick. We got to wipe it out. We got to get a couch cleaner. It's ridiculous. It's a whole thing.

When he pukes, does he have a raging hard on? What? Where does you come from? No, that's a little strange. Well, I don't know. I'm just saying that maybe that's his kink. You know, maybe he likes it. I didn't even know your mic was on.

You relating to the dog here? What's going on? I don't know if anybody's doing that. But if there's something you've got to tell us. This is why I worry about people listening to the show. Because we're here. We're talking about wallpaper. And next thing you know is I'm talking about dog hard on.

I'm trying to talk to the audience about our couch. Like, geez. Okay, well. One time your fucking mic's on. That's how you come in. Yeah, your mic's never been on in the whole history of the universe. So a couple of tips around the house are make sure you find things from different places. Use wallpaper.

And then details count. Oil diffusers. We have incense from our favorite spot in Cabo. One and only Palmilla. It just makes the house smell so delicious. Candles. Little tiny things. all the difference. We've even been using an ice bucket from our favorite place to go in the world

as a flower vase. So just having those little details around the house makes all the difference and it makes it feel like home. You got to get that last deal out detail out there real quick. It's fine. I liked it. Yeah, collect some shit guys. Don't don't just do it all. Don't be a Z gallery room collector. All right, guys. Let's get in the episode. So we brought in William Tyler Story into the Deer Media Studios. Every girl in the office basically had a heart attack came in looking like a long-haired tall, beautiful Jesus. Great bone structure. Really kind of threw me off my game.

Didn't know what to do. I got lost in his eyes at one point. And it was honestly hard during the episode. We had to get into art and had to get into all these things. And I was just like, God damn, this is a good looking man. But anyways, we got it together. I got it together. Conducted a very professional interview.

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So, William, you flew in from Dallas. I did. You're with your girlfriend. You guys came in. You're going to have a best time in L.A. We actually just drove in a little over three hours from Joshua Tree. So there's a, there's cool RVs where you can kind of glamp out in the desert. So we hung out.

I've never done that. It's a blast. We did it because usually before some big event or anything that I'm attending, I'm not good at really just sitting still. So that was something like we went out, we hiked, we got to relax in this perfect little, you know, had like a porch and hammocks and got a bottle of wine and, you know, stuff like that. Do you feel inspired when you do stuff like that? Like I'm the type of person where I have to step outside of, I guess my art, my content to really wrap my head around it to be creative. I do.

And the thing is, is I'm so in love with the city and so is she. but we're both in creative fields. And the only time we ever really feel like we're truly relaxed is when we take that extra step to go three hours outside of L.A. or three hours south of Dallas or something like that, you know. It's so important to like get out and be in nature. Like you're so, I mean, there's never been a time that we've been this connected to technology. You could be in nature more, though.

No, but I was thinking I was in large months. I had to go to this shop and I put my phone down for a minute and left it. And I went into like a panic moment. I was like, oh my God, I left the phone. Where's the phone? And I was then I took a second. I was like, what the fuck am I freaking? Yeah, like who cares. Right. But it's weird. You know, there's never been a time like this before. So can you introduce yourself to your audience? Let's go back to your childhood. You're so artistic. But I want to go back to like, was it. Was it something that you always knew. Were you always drawn to art? I was. As a kid, I just little pencil sketches, nothing crazy. But I knew I was drawn to it. I was drawn to music. I'd. took guitar lessons and tried that path, but it never really took off. But going through school

in Texas, I don't think they promote art as a career as much. And I've actually found that out lately, one of the brands that I'm working with soon on a campaign in July, it's to help build funding for art education in Texas. So when I was growing up, it wasn't really stressed like he has a talent, let's direct him here. It ended up being like, what's the safe route? Ended up being, I studied fitness and wellness and went through kinesiology and got all the way up to my senior year in college before I realized like this, that wasn't really the path I wanted to take. And then I fortunately, like social media, different things like that became actual career opportunities. There were different ways to build and grow from that. So it was, let's see,

2013 was my last year at the University of Texas in Arlington. And that was where I was preparing myself for grad school to go into physical therapy. Stuff that I still would enjoy, but not anywhere near as much as I do the art world. So does like the world of social and, you know, like the vanity likes and those things, does that, I don't want to say get in the way, but does that irritate you with like, you know, because you're a creator obviously. So it was Lauren and you guys are grading art. but then there's an element to it where obviously you have to get that out there and you have to share.

Do you like the way that's being shared? Do you like the way you're expressing your art or like getting it out there to the world or is it, is it irritating? Or is it kind of like a flip back and forth? I like it because I haven't had to go step into the gallery world and meet people. I've created my own online gallery. I don't have near the amount of work put out there that some of the artists that I find inspiration from. They don't even get the recognition that they,

deserve some of the best artists out there are kind of like what you said I mean there's a there's a starving artist aspect to it but that's where it comes back around to like how are you marketing it are you more of a gallery artist are you going to build an online gallery for yourself what's the traditional like what's the traditional path say that I'm an artist I don't know anything about market I just know how to create art like what is the typical path that says because I'm sure there's a lot of people that are listening that are artists that are like they have no idea how to get their art out there because everybody's probably going to tell you a different thing but my take on it is getting into galleries. So you go to an event, you go to a gallery, the owner, you showcase

your work. If they like it, they'll represent you, put you in the gallery. But then typically you're getting like a 50-50 split when someone purchases your work. Oh, that's pretty shit. But where they try to write that off is you're getting the exposure. So where I saw, you know, my opening was I had exposure online. So I was like, if I'm selling a painting and connecting with people there, I didn't really see the need yet to go into a gallery. I was hoping to just continue. And I still am, I guess. But I like 100% commission for sure. Yeah. I mean, that's amazing. I think that's genius, what you said. It's an online gallery. I have a lot of friends that are in the business world, but they're artists at heart. And as I get older, I'm starting.

to see some of those friends be miserable because they're working nine to five and they're doing the corporate thing, but their passion is art. What advice would you give to someone like that? Would you say work on it on the side? Would you say quit your job? Would you say start putting yourself out there online? Like, is there a certain path that you would go to? I've definitely experienced that. So, but I mean, I liked my job. So prior to this, I, What were you doing? Area management for fitness clubs. I was a personal trainer on the side, all of that stuff.

But on the weekends, I would pan a little bit. And I was like, man, I wish I could do something more with this. There was a coffee shop on the corner that I go to every morning. And the owner was like, you want to put some up on the wall and try to sell them? And I was like, sure. And I put them up. I think the first week, the buyer actually listens to this podcast, I'm pretty sure. Hi, buyer.

What's his name? Her name's Amanda. Hi, Amanda. Hi, Amanda. Yeah. So in the circle of Dallas, I haven't personally met her besides through selling that piece, but what she doesn't know is that kind of was one of the moments that I decided, okay, I wonder if I can sell another one, and then I would paint again.

But I waited to see if I was going to have people interested before considering leaving my job. You were just testing. So I wouldn't suggest that person working the nine to five to just quit. immediately unless, you know, they want to take that risk and just dive into the deep end and see if they can swim, which I did kind of do that. I had only sold a few pieces and I was making good money. I just wasn't completely fulfilled with that position at the time. So I actually scheduled a trip to Costa Rica to kind of do that I wanted to get into solitude and just kind of reflect after I had resigned from that position.

And I just so happened before that, I booked a campaign that flew me to Switzerland, got to experience that. Is this all through social? How does this start to, like, coffee shop, and then people start, you start sharing on social, and then you start getting inbound? Yeah, that was it. So when I sold those pieces, I didn't really promote artwork on my Instagram. Right around that time, agencies were taking interest in me for modeling as soon as

I signed with a few people. I started booking jobs pretty quickly and good ones. So that's what I got to remember too. That was a big thing that was supporting me and giving me peace of mind to be able to leave my main job to take on the art full time. It sounds like you're saying like do your side hustle and as your side hustle gains momentum like then put more eggs. Yeah.

I mean, I knew these are things I forget. I'm glad we're talking about it because I did have the moment where I, I wrote down every single thing on a daily basis that cost me money, you know, to live the way that I like to live. So once I knew what that number was. What do you mean? Like so you got, okay, this is my rent. These are like the. Yeah, any, any expense that allowed me. Because I live, I don't live beyond my means. Yeah. Yeah, anything. I don't live beyond my means, but I also, I'm not cheap either. Like, you want to live. I'm, I'm definitely going to eat the good food, stay in the better room.

You know what I mean? And if that means I got to put in the work. Yeah. So that's kind of what I decided to do. I ran those numbers. I figured out what my expenses were and then put a little bit on top of that just for extra cushion. Well, there's a lot of people that get in trouble because they don't do.

Like, you knew, in essence, you knew like what your nut was. You knew like this is. Yeah. If I don't make this, then I'm going to start sinking. And there were actually months that I wasn't. You know, I came out strong. I was balancing the income. And then, you know, you have those periods that are, there's a little bit of a lull.

And every single time I've had one of those moments, it's that cliche story that you probably often hear where you feel like you're being tested. Like, are you ready for these bigger things that are coming up? And can you make it through that? You know, it might be one month. It might be six months. You know, whatever that period is. And what can you do to maintain and grow to get over that hump?

And then as soon as I do, all of a sudden it's like, you know, when it rains, it pours. Like June has been like this month is awesome. Like I've lined up so much work that probably the most work I've ever done. It's growing pains. Yeah. It's exactly what it is. Yeah, you have to go through that. You know what I mean?

So if you were to describe your art to our audience, you could just say it because this is obviously audio. Everyone will go look at your Instagram. How would you, is it a theme? There is a theme because you'll notice that I like to use bright colors. I've steadily been building a private page. If you pull it up, it's William Tyler's story. So that's full name right there. I actually go by William Tyler because when I first started in the modeling industry,

I was kind of, I was very low-key. I didn't have Facebook. I didn't have anything like that. I see this on your Instagram, but it's cool to see on your website too. Yeah. It's very bright. It's very, I feel like it's in your face in a sort of flamboyant way. Yeah.

So you see the bottom left right there where it says respite. So this is actually a good, if you could imagine, it's probably two and a half feet or three feet, two and a half feet by four feet. So it's a pretty good size. Everything was done, you know, with no black lines, brush, spray paint, you know, very abstract expressionism. But I like to use a lot of colors. And I've always joked with my girlfriend about how most of my paintings aren't really paintings I would actually have in my own home.

I actually like the rough kind of unfinished stuff, which I have some of that too. I haven't shared it yet. But I'm easing things out there as soon as I'm ready. So. Well, can you talk about that a little bit? I don't, I never, we never had an artist before. You wouldn't have your own art. So are you like creating things?

Well, no, I would have certain pieces in my house. But I do, I love dark and muted colors and unfinished kind of grungy style drawings or pieces of art. But when I'm painting, it's only enjoyable to me when I'm packing in all that color. There's actually a really amazing documentary or a mini documentary. I don't know if you've ever seen it with Jim Carrey. And it's called I Needed Color. You need to watch that.

It's worth seeing. It's like six minutes. It's on YouTube. It's called I Needed Color. And he's in New York. He had just gone through a breakup, broken heart, a very dull winter. And he was kind of depressed. And he just, he needed to paint color.

He's like full boring to paint. It's such a good. Yeah. I related to him on needing the color. I'm not unhappy by any means. I'd say I'm blessed in like every area of my life at the moment. So I just really liked. He had this studio in New York that's just wall to wall.

They show a scene of him on a ladder that's propped up because the painting's so big on the floor, he has to crawl across the ladder, and he's spilling colorful paint on it. Anyways. He's dealt with mental illness, so that makes total sense. I think he's a very, he's spoken out how he's a very depressed person. Yeah. And I mean, like anyone, we all have some kind of inner turmoil. And I feel like my way of producing art using all the bright colors and different things like that.

It, it calms all that stuff down. It's my yoga. It's my. How long is something like that take? And when you say something like that, we're looking at the organized chaos. Is this, no, that's not. Now, this is lucid. It's, this was commissioned.

Beautiful, you guys. It's like a skull with roses and a crown. It's rude. And the thing is, if you can see these paintings, the size that they are in person, so if you go back to that, you can actually see, so the size in person, it has such a different effect. Were you asking me a question? No, I want to know. How long it, how long did it take?

I just want to know, like, the process and time behind something like that. Like, what's the commitment there? Or is it? It depends because some stuff will happen so quickly. You're so into it that you just, like, within a couple of days, it's done. Okay. But when I create content, if I have to write 20 pages, if I have to write that, I will put it to the last fucking second.

Like, if it's due at 11, I'm starting at, like, 10. Yeah. I've tortured myself until 10. Like, just the worst. It's like Chinese torture. Is that how you are? Do you wake up and just feel the emotion? Like, or do you just procrastinate?

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We're like right brain, left brain. Yeah. And then when we're booking the hotel, I didn't realize there's a big convention that's in L.A. Right now. It's E3. It's like an electronic. Huge. And so every hotel that we wanted to go to was sold out.

but eventually it worked out to my advantage. That's the thing like I procrastinate, but something I still deliver. Yeah, it's, it's how figuring it out. That's how I am. Everything just falls into place, Michael. Like you're freaking out like a psycho Tasmanian devil and I'm just laid back and everything figures itself out. You two are able to detach from the process that goes into it.

So for me, like I can't just leave it to like chance. I'm sure like probably all of us in this room are performers. that we can make it count in the end. But I don't want to go through the suffering of wondering if I'm going to make it happen. And see, you're suffering of waiting, I guess. Mine is of planning so early. Like, I do want to do it when it's time to do it. I mean, some things, if I do have a hard deadline, like if someone's commissioned me a painting,

no, I'm not going to procrastinate. Like, that's priority. Yeah, because, I mean, they've put some money towards it that's happening. But if it's booking a flight or booking a hotel, I am that one that's like the night before. Like I love hotels tonight and like just something quick. But we both like to get out in the nature. So it worked out. Everything being sold out in L.A.

pushed us into Joshua Tree. And it was beautiful out there. There's like a tiny pool. It's like two feet deep. It's freezing cold. But you're soaking in the middle of the desert and it's like 103 outside. You never taking me to Joshua Tree. We get going.

Tell me, pack our shit up. We're getting out of here. I want to know when you said, holy fuck, I have this amazing art and there's this platform called Instagram where I can utilize this to distribute the content and not only distribute the content, but create a community online.

And when you had that aha moment, what was the strategy behind it? Because you have a huge Instagram following. I mean, you, and not only that, you have like hundreds of comments each post. People are very engaged, with what you're doing. Like, I'm beyond thankful for that.

People who have supported me from when I had just started modeling are still there showing the love now, which is amazing because I think that was, you know, now we're four years ago from that. Do you do that at all anymore? Yeah, here and there. I'm more focused on. Like, I do campaigns for brands on Instagram if it's a brand that I enjoy. Like if there is a nice watch or it's an apparel company that I, you know, really would recommend to someone, I'm always down to collaborate and come up with some content.

Because I have a little side passion for photography too. I'm not a photographer by any means. But a long time ago when I was first getting started, most of my shots were captured by me just because I wanted to play around with edits. I wanted to get lightroom and Photoshop and things like that. And I just liked messing with lighting. And to answer your question about when did I figure out when I was going to transition to art? Because I mean, you can take picture after picture this angle, that angle, this angle, that angle, and like eventually it's like, is there what like what's the meaning behind it?

That's how I felt as a blogger. It's like, how many fucking pictures can I look at it of myself? I want to blow my head off. And by the way, when I'm 50 and I want to be like fabulous. with my breakfast tray and my newspaper and my egg coddler like Patricia. I don't want to be taking pictures of myself all the time. So how do you transition that? That's what's, yeah, what's the end game in that?

I don't like, and I know some people probably do it to build up, I guess, an audience for like a bigger opportunity down the road. But I mean, I'm still, I'm looking at it that way. Like I want to be. A lot of people don't. A lot of people just think it's going to last forever. Yeah, and it's not. I mean, that's not really.

at all. I mean, Facebook used to be, you know, the hottest thing. And then it kind of slowed down and Instagram took over, I feel like at least as far as, you know, being the more popular. Well, I think that's going to, that's what people are going to get in trouble is when they're dependent on a platform, which is on one platform. And doesn't it feel good to you to be multifaceted and complex as a person? I mean, you're obviously a very good looking guy. I'm sure when people meet you, they immediately want to put you in the box of you're a model. And to know that you have so much more to offer, you're such a talented artist, you're a photographer, you have all these different interests and to put it out there online and to

be able to be multifaceted. Like I think that's what's cool about social media. They can't just put you in the box. I think that's having those thoughts, that's where I started to transition the page. And that was probably a year and a half ago when I was. was leaving my main job I was taking on. I wanted to pursue the art world full force, but I knew I had to do other things to support it.

I mean, I still am. I needed to think of like when I am an old man or say, I mean, say something happened where you don't have your looks. I mean, I could a terminal illness tomorrow, you know, like what am I going to have in this world that has longevity? I don't want to just be like the face. You know what I mean? You'll even actually see it in my thread where every year it's like the shirtless pictures

started decreasing and decreasing because I could cut off your ear like Van Gogh. You never know. Yeah, yeah. You get frustrated. Yeah. So, I mean, that's what I'm saying. Listen, when you want to go viral, you call me up, I'll cut that ear. Uh-huh.

We'll film it. We'll blow the fuck up. It'd be new age. That's it. Yeah. Where do you think creativity comes from? Because clearly you're obviously, you're very creative person. Lauren's a creative person.

I don't necessarily can put myself in the box. You're creative at finding angles in business. But I think that there's, I'm wondering if it's something you have to be born with or it's something you could tap into. I think I think everybody is a creative person. Like in their own way, they have, we're all born with some type of creativity. I can't believe otherwise, you know. I just think some people choose to pursue whatever their creative route is and then others decide that's not for them.

You know, like, there's nothing wrong with deciding to do the nine to five, you know, corporate job. Well, there is. If you're miserable. Well, if you're miserable. Yeah, good point. But if that's a lot of people say, like, maybe I'm crazy. This is like, I think what I want to get in essence with you is there's a lot of creative people, but they think, okay, that's not, I can't do anything with that.

I can't make money. And so maybe I, maybe I can only make like $40,000 a year being creative, but I can go make $90 over here. And it's like, is it better? to make me be extremely happy or make 90 and be miserable. I'm going to vote 40. Right. Yeah.

And they're creating their own obstacles for sure. Yeah. Because, yes, that definitely way. I'd much rather make less and be happy than make more and be unhappy. You know why? Because people think that they're going to make X amount. And when they make X amount at some point, they're going to be able to stop. They're going to not have to be productive anymore.

And they're going to buy the stuff and have the things. And then they're going to be happy. It's like a delayed gratification. Yeah, but I think that's like a never-ending. process like you could have i think about when i was younger it's like i was in you know like an apartment with like three roommates three buddies and it was like a couple hundred bucks a month cheap and it was you know just like it was really like we it was a shithole but at the time we're like man this is fucking nice you know and now i think like okay what if i was back in that situation could i still

be that happy and i think that's what people should question is like the happiest moments in your life as you progress and get nicer and better things in terms of material could you go back and still be as happy and I think that's where the mind fuck starts to take place because something that used to make you extremely happy could actually end up making you upset now. Right. So are you saying it would, would it not make you happy? So you're saying if you went back to that? I got, I'm trying to get back to a place where that would, right? So I think a lot of working on himself every day. I think a lot of people get in trouble because they say, okay, well, I'm going to go to call. I'm going to go to high school. I'm going to college. I'm going to get this job. And

I'm going to get a better job and then I'm going to get this amount of money and then I'm going to get these things I'm going to retire. Yeah. It's like that doesn't necessarily need to be the path. That's just the way that we're wired. That's the way that's school. Yes. Yes.

Definitely. That's how I was too. I mean, I always make the comment about the fact that I feel like I'm having to rewire my brain a little bit. And so that comes with a lot of inner struggle and things that my girlfriend deals with. Not, I mean, just on a daily basis, like you have a lot of ups and downs through it because you're always question, you can't help but to question if it's the right path or not, because, you know, the way you were brought up, you wouldn't think that is the way to go.

So you have to shut that out and then remember that you are taking the path that's going to make you the most happy. I think working towards material things like, you know, guilty of the past is, it's a formula for disaster. People don't, but people, that's the contracts that we make for it. There's a guy who's really smart named Naval Robicunt. I've listened to a lot of the things. He says basically desire is a contract you make with yourself to be unhappy until you get what you want. And when you think about it, there's like so many people working towards like one day I'm going to have that house and one day I'm going to have this family.

One day I'm going to have this thing. Oh, yeah. And they're just miserable until they get there, but they don't realize that you may not be happy when you get there. I think that's why we're so interested in what you do because it's like you really seem like you're living life on your own terms and breaking boundaries with society. and putting, I like how you said, your own online gallery. You didn't take the conventional route.

Right. And that's, I'm taking the next step with that too by creating a little private page. So one thing that I've noticed with a lot of artists when they showcase their work, not as many people are going to engage with it because I found myself to do this too. Like I follow a lot of photographers and different things like that, that, things that I find very visually appealing, but it becomes like that scrolling process where we're doing that mindless scroll. And you never showed any support. But in your mind, you're like, that was a really good picture, but you went right by it. So I created a separate art page that's just

William Tyler's story. And it's private, but anyone that requests to follow it, I go ahead and accept them. And that's like a little, you know, VIP area for you to be able to see, you know, more actual behind the scenes things. It's still in its very early stages. Do you find that people are like more engaged in there and they're talking more? Yeah, I think so. That's genius to do a VIP page. Well, and the other thing is the VIP page just it doesn't have any,

none of the cover photos have me in the way of the artwork. So I have so many pictures on my other page where like I am very proud of the work and I want to be in the picture with it. You know, you want to hold it like a trophy. But I also know that sometimes you need it to sit. alone for someone to actually get the real feel of it. So anyways, I'm excited for that because it's given me another project on top of all these others that I'm working on. Is there a strategy to your Instagram? Like when you post an Instagram, do you post a certain days of the week? Is it just

how you feel? Is there a strategy with the picture, the caption? There's not really a strategy. I've done it so long my own way. Like, you'll notice through my feed, I don't have a very common filter or anything like that. And I think earlier on an Instagram before the page had grown to where it is today, I liked so many different filters and forms of light that I wanted to be able to post that variety and continue to. So that's what I've done and stuck with. And any caption is just something genuine that came to mind in that time. It's not a lot of planning unless, you know, unless I'm collaborating with a brand that's requested me to communicate certain bullet point. You know.

So your strategy is just like your life. Just to literally be me. Yeah, as much as I can. I love my strategy. It's it's 110% me. It doesn't have some of my private parts of my life showcased on it. But that's also because this all happens so quickly. I'm just rocking back and forth a little bit and I'm trying new things.

What are those things that are off limits on that page? What do you mean? Michael wants to know. Like, do you put your girlfriend on your Instagram? Well, that's actually, this was, I wanted this to kind of be that opportunity to voice that to everyone. Because, like, I'll let all of my followers know, hey, you need to check this podcast out. I want them to know that I'm happy with my girlfriend. Well, you got to bunch of people slide in.

But I haven't. You guys, slide into his DMs. He has a girlfriend. Listen, I'm looking into this guy's eyes. They're, what are those? Like bright green? Green's that what those are? Something like that.

I don't know. They're magical. Whatever they are. And listen, if I was swinging the other way, I would probably slide in myself. So I can't blame these ladies out there. Yeah. But your girlfriend's very pretty too. Or men.

Yes, she is. Yeah, you guys are good. But cut it out, everybody out there. Don't slide in. He's taken. But yeah, so the only. Unfortunately for all of us. The, I haven't kept that off limits, but I just haven't really changed what I

promote and post on there. So until I have. I'm very slow to introduce something new to a process that I've been doing for a while. You're artistic about it. I feel like it'd be like a slow build or you could just do what Lauren does and just like throw it all out there. And I've had no say in the process. Yeah.

And it varies with people. But I do, I love the way that I do it because I mean, it's just. You got to do it. Yeah. I have to do it that way. But, you know, again, this is always, this was probably to me the coolest way. to be able to announce it versus just like, you know, here we are, because we have, we have so many good pictures and stuff. We've done what we've done in a, in less than a year, some people doing five or more,

you know, like, this is what you should do. You should paint a photo of her, or like paint her skull because it looks like you have a lot of, like, dude. Paint her skull. Paint her. No, because, like, okay, name a painting after her. Uh-huh. And, and that's how you should announce it. I like that. You should, shh. Yeah. my back to me. She's going to ruin the surprise. Do like a skull with hearts and save some of those and tell me after the podcast. I am going to paint your skull. No, he paints a lot of really cool schools. I think if he painted, I don't know how you would do it. I would just be like a big stick figure with a huge kid. Instead of roses. Maybe you do like hearts or something that

represents romance to you. For sure. I think that's cool that you're announcing it. What is a book, a podcast, or a resource that you listen to or you could be a television show, just something that inspires you that you could recommend to our audience. Something that inspires me. I do like to sort through, if we're talking about podcasts, there are quite a few of your episodes that have resonated with me. Gary Vee, he puts out so much content, but that's the beauty of it. You can basically, yeah, you can Google whatever's on your mind on his podcast and find a little segment where he can, you know, give you a little insight on it. He's been crushing for a long time.

Yes. I love all the Joe Rogan podcasts for the most part because they do give you insights on people that are really doing well in their industries. And everything kind of overlaps with each other, like whether it's a music artist or a famous author or a podcast. I mean, everybody that's working hard on their passion, you can find something relatable in the conversation. So I usually, I dig through Joe Rogans, Gary V's, Skinny Confidential.

Like, I love a lot of the comedian podcast, too. Like, I'm a big Christa Leia fan. I love listening to Congratulations. A little bit of Theo Vaughn, for sure. Some whiskey ginger every now and then. This is the last and final question. And this one's going to be, I think, my favorite question. Who is your favorite artist?

It could be anyone that's not with us anymore. It could be someone you follow on Instagram. Whose art do you like? Whose art do you want in your house? Zio Ziegler? And you know what? I may be saying, I think I've mispronounce his last name. I mispronounce everything.

It's okay. It's Z O-Z-I-O-Z-I-E-G-L-E-R. It sounds right. Or Ziegler Ziegler, it could be. He's actually, I'm pretty sure native to the West Coast. But his work to me is, he's a... another one of those artists that, but he doesn't really need the platform. I think he's done so well on his own and through galleries and things like that, that, you know, that's his path. But I've

admired his work from the one thing I forgot to ask you this when you were talking about the galleries, but it like just triggered my mind is what I think's tough there is you're saying like the person who's running that gallery is making the decision, but art's so personal. So it's hard, right? I mean, I guess you have to have some type of filter because then everybody could get in the gallery. but yeah that well the the gallery's going to represent someone just like an agency is going to represent a model or a talent in any area so there is a yeah well yeah they take the that 50 50 split was rough it's a little much yeah really quick the artist that you just mentioned how would you describe his art is it black and white is it it's a lot of color but you know what i mean he has a big

variety, but very colorful, very abstract, but it's coordinated abstract. You can find, you know, there's a flow through it. It's not like a splatter paint, like a Pollock or anything like that. You can actually see figure, like a subconscious type painting. And that's actually the latest painting that I'm working on. I haven't shared it with anyone yet. It's based off of the way that he has his painting style, which is like painting from the subconscious, whatever comes to mind at the time, like it's not so strategic,

where I do have paintings that are more strategic where I've sketched them anyways, but he's, yeah. How about William sketches a tattoo of me for your ass, Michael? Well, listen. I want him to get my name on his butt. I'm always down to get a fun tattoo. Yeah. Pimp yourself out.

Where can everyone find you? You give us your website and both your Instagrams. Website William Tylerstory.com. Instagram is P-Suit, P-E-A-C-E-O-O-T. And then I have a private VIP gallery page, William Tyler's story on Instagram. Don't be sliding into his DMZ as a girlfriend, you guys. And Taylor, you too.

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