The Bossticks - How To Manage Stress & Anxiety With Lauryn & Michael

Episode Date: June 23, 2020

#276: On this episode Lauryn and Michael are solo to share a list of tactics and practices that they use to manage stress and anxiety in their own lives. The couple share what each of them do individually to help manage the stress of day to day life and how they are able to limit anxiety in their lives by doing so.  To connect with Lauryn Evarts click HERE To connect with Michael Bosstick click HERE Read More on The Skinny Confidential HERE For Detailed Show Notes visit TSCPODCAST.COM To Call the Him & Her Hotline call: 1-833-SKINNYS (754-6697) This episode is brought to you by BETABRAND and their Betabrand dress pant yoga pants. To try these pants go to betabrand.com/skinny and receive 20% off your order. Millions of women agree these are the most comfortable pants you'll ever wear to work.  This episode is brought to you by HYDRANT Hydrant is a simple, morning hydration mix, optimized to hydrate you rapidly. Lightly flavored with real fruit juice = subtle, refreshing taste. Up to 3x the electrolytes of a traditional sports drink. There are no synthetic color or artificial sweeteners. It's also vegan and only a buck a day for a 30 pack. For 25%off your first order , go to DrinkHydrant.com/skinny or enter promo code 'skinny' at checkout This episode is brought to you by Nutrafol THIRTY MILLION women experience hair loss. But it's not openly talked about, so going through it yourself can feel lonely and frustrating. It's time to change the conversation and join the thousands of women standing up for their strands. Nutrafol is formulated with potent botanicals to help you grow hair as strong as you are and it's physician-formulated to be one hundred percent drug-free. Visit Nutrafol.com and use promo code SKINNY for 20% your order and free shipping.  Produced by Dear Media

The following podcast is a dear media production. She's a lifestyle blogger extraordinaire. Fantastic. And he's a serial entrepreneur. A very smart cookie. And now Lauren Everts and Michael Bostic are bringing you along for the ride. Get ready for some major realness. Welcome to the skinny confidential, him and her.

Hey, hey, hey, happy Tuesday. Welcome back to the skinny confidential, him and her show, Michael in the yellow. What's up? honey. I look like Woody from Toy Story because I was wearing the bandana earlier because he got to wear the masks and I've adopted. I don't wear the medical mask anymore. I wear the bandana. And I'm actually kind of happy about it. Everyone's complaining about it. Sometimes you have to wear the mask up. But I've been waiting for this moment for a long time where you're going to wear like the cowboy bandana on your neck, you know, the handkerchief. You secretly love it. Yeah, I like it. I

walked into the bank the other day like a robber. Obviously I wasn't robbing it. The guy looked in me like Norma's a security guy there and he would say like, you can't come in like that. But this time he was just like, I guess that's what you do now. You know, you're going with the face covering. Okay. I'm all about the face covering. You know, the face covering is getting in the way of my makeup, if I'm being honest. I do cover my face, so no one freak out, but it is like rubbing off on my makeup. So they need to invent something for that. And then like, you know, there's other things. If I want to do things. Why do you need the makeup if you got the mask? Because you have to take the mask off when you get inside. You never take the

mask off one. Do you never take it off? Sometimes I take it off. Big no, no. Fouchie would not like that. Big no, no. You're going to make it spread. I keep it on full time. They need to invent a mask that has a hole in it. So you can suck on a straw. Gotta be careful what you say on podcasts about masks. You know, one of the bigger podcasts, he's getting a lot of shit right now.

He's uncancable though. So a lot of people are mad. He's saying, who, Rogan, he's out there. He's saying, master for bitches.

I was like, shit, I better put, you know, do I wear them out? I don't want to be called out. Okay, first of all.

I'm just kidding around. But now we're going to get, now we're going to get canceled? Oh, okay. Okay, so I want a mask though, with a hole in it. Like,

like I want a small hole for my pink silicone straw so I can drink my iced coffee out of it. It's annoying. And don't say something fallout here. I really just want the hole right below my mouth is. Yeah. You can stick your finger in it. I won't say anything. Everybody, welcome back to the show, guys. We have an exciting episode today. Is it exciting? Yeah, it's exciting. It's a solo episode. It's a solo episode. We're back. Just off of the release of our wildly popular podcast last week with Dr. Michael Dravet has received very well bumping up the charts, crushing it. And I think because, one, he's, you know, every time I talk to Michael Trevei, I can't, I always

kick myself. I'm like, why do we not talk to this guy more often? You know, I was actually mad that it took us so long to have him on the show. He's so great. So anyways, if you guys haven't checked out that episode yet, go back last week and listen, all about dealing with anxiety. You got to sneeze there, Lauren's about to sneeze. That's okay. You did. You think I'm I'm going to edit that out. I'm going to keep it. I don't care. You can barely hear it. I don't Okay. Okay. I'm fine.

Okay. One's how to malfunction. You're throwing off my game there. But yeah, so all about anxiety dealing with NPDs. What is NBDs? No, it's narcissistic personality disorder. And we also talked about how he wakes up in the morning. So he said he wakes up every single morning.

He takes a huge breath in through his nose, out through his mouth. And then he says three things he's grateful for in his head and sets an intention of how he wants the day to go. and then puts his feet on the ground and grounds his feet. And I've been doing that ever since he told me. It takes one second. And I think it's really helpful. It's just a small little change that you can make to your day that adds some flare.

Yeah. So it's about dealing with anxiety, stress, NPD. But I keep screwing up the acronym. NPD. Do you have it? Yeah, I might have it. I might have. As he was talking, I was like, shit, do I have these?

Do I exhibit these? It's uncurable. So even if I do, just have to live with that long. And then knocking out negativity. Yeah, I'm knocking out negativity. All these things. Can you care, can you care of that? I don't know. Who knows? But anyways, so guys, check that one out. Today, we, you know, we want to follow this up because sometimes we get letters and, and not letters, but what am I talking about today? We get messages in a bottle. Yeah. Somebody drops

a handwritten letter into the mail. A sparrow comes and puts it on our balcony. They type it on an old typewriter and they send it into our post office. The carrier pigeon box. Yeah, but so, you know, we get messages saying, hey, can you give us your tactics and follow up? You know, we have these amazing guests and they start talking about these, these ideas broadly, sometimes they get really granular. And then, you know, sometimes we leave it hanging and don't necessarily respond and talk about how we apply these tactics to our own life. So we thought this episode might be interesting to talk about how we manage stress and anxiety in our own lives because I know this year has been really anxiety filled for the entire world and stressful. And so we thought maybe, hey,

listen to that one and then maybe come back in this one and get some tactics that you could potentially apply to your own life to manage stress and anxiety. And just so, like, Like everyone, we can lay it all out there. I think it's really important to let everyone know that we both definitely experience anxiety. Like, even depression a little bit. I've experienced a little bit of depression since I had a baby. And we're going to talk about how it got better. But anxiety is something we both experience, just like everyone else.

So I don't think anyone's untouched from anxiety. No. I think that's an important point to say. It's the biggest hurdle mentally that I have to deal with is anxiety for me personally, for me all the time. Yeah. It's taking a long time to manage it. I don't say I've conquered it.

I've managed it. I help manage it. Yeah. Tim Ferriss gave the best tip I've ever heard on anxiety and I continue to use this tip every day. He said instead of waiting for the anxiety to come and then doing something to fix it, he's preventative about it. So ever since I heard that, I always am doing preventative things and you know that if you follow me on Instagram through my Instagram stories.

I'm always finding. creative ways to prevent the anxiety from even happening, which is why after I had a baby and I experienced that postpartum anxiety, it knocked me on my ass because I was so used to getting ahead of it. So this episode, like Michael said, is going to have a lot of takeaways in it. I hope if you just find one gem in here that helps you will feel like we did our job. Do you want to start? Would you like me to start, Michael Bostick? I would like you to start. And I think it's worth noting, you know, a lot of the, Lauren and I have been doing this for a while now. So in the beginning, we had to get, we had to work in our notes a lot more, but I think as you practice the podcasting muscle,

you get more comfortable. And so this is actually a scenario where we actually haven't even talked about what we have to talk about with each other. We just broadly, literally earlier today said, hey, let's do a podcast on this subject. And so we haven't, I actually don't know what's on your list. Yeah, I think we each definitely took our own notes. I have my own notes. He has his, but we haven't discussed the notes together because I was actually worried that you were going to copy me. Well, what if we have the same? No, I'm going to call you out when you're copying me. So I'll go first. So the first thing I do when I'm in a really anxious scenario, and this, I don't know if

this is good advice, but this is something that's worked for me is I detach. And Michael sometimes gets mad about this, but for me to wrap my head around things, I have to detach from the situation and take myself out of it. And how I do that is I read a book. I don't get mad at you for doing that. It's, I actually admire that you can do that. And I envy you that you're able to do that because it's, you know, and I think I've gotten better at being able to do it, but many of us can't just detach. It's not as easy. See,

it's not as, that is something that you are blessed to be able to do because it's not as easy to just detach from things. If you were you talking, you would say, yes, it is. No, it's not, I know it's possible and I know it's a choice and I know it can be done and I do do it in scenarios, but you do it very easily and skillfully all the time. I wouldn't say easily. It's definitely a muscle that I've worked. Okay, well, let's say you're better at, at, uh, with that muscle than I am. Okay. So, when my mom passed away. I was 18 years old and I obviously was traumatized and how I found the way to deal with it was to detach. I had to detach from it for a little for a little bit probably I would say like eight months and I had to wrap my head around what was going on and how I did that was I got outside

myself and I did a lot of reading I was in nature a lot. I would be quiet. I would have thinking time but the main thing I would do is read and reading I feel like takes you into another realm. So that's my first tip, is detaching. This might be kind of fucked up to say to you. And I don't know if I've actually ever said it to you, but in a weird kind of way, how am I going to say this to you without like upsetting you or upsetting anyone else? When you, like, okay, when you've experienced a death like that that's so close to home,

that's so like someone like your mother, like your mother, that is so traumatic and so difficult to process. I can only imagine that what it does is it. gives you a really strong perspective on other things. Like, for example, if a guy break, if you were, say you were dating and a guy broke up with you, that is not going to be a comparable setback compared to the death of your mother. Or if you're in a business, if you're in a business and the business loses money, like, again, it's not comparable to the death of your mother.

And so I think people that have experienced that type of traumatic, traumatic death like you have in a weird way, and this is where I hope it's not offensive, have kind of a superpower because you've had to deal with such an extreme hardship. And I have perspective. No, yes, you have perspective because that is about as bad as it can get. Like if I lost you or I lost the baby or lose a parent or a sibling or a love one, like that's about as bad as it. Like I would, in two seconds, if somebody gave me the opportunity and said,

hey, you either lose your wife or your baby or you lose everything else. I would throw everything else down a well in about two seconds, maybe less. So I think when you've experienced a loss like that, it helps you when other things, and I've noticed this in your life, like aren't as big of a deal to you. Right. And I think in a weird way, I don't want to say I envy because it's the wrong way, but in a weird way, it gives you a perspective to not be nearly as upset because you've already experienced something that hard. You know what's the worst, Lauren?

What, Michael? Being thirsty and dehydrated. Yeah, especially you. You get like a dry pruny lip. I'm talking about personally, but also, you know, physically, too, you don't want to be, you don't want to be thirsty. You don't want to be thirsty. You don't want to be dehydrated, which is why we started working with hydrant. So this is this rapid hydration mix that has four essential electrolytes your body needs.

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And I'm sure there's a lot of listeners that have too. And I don't know why you think that would be fucked up. Well, I just wanted to be careful how I said it. Because I know there's people that listen to the show that have experienced death like that, that have experienced death of a child or a loved one or a parent or a spouse. Yeah. And I think like in a certain way, if there is not a lot of silver lining there because obviously it's terrible to lose a loved one.

It's like my worst fear. but if there is a silver lining, it's that as you go through the rest of your life, once you've experienced something that hard, the rest of the stuff doesn't seem like that big of a deal. You know, like if you lose a business deal or an advertiser, or you like, you know,

or someone tries to cancel it. It's not nearly this is big of a deal as losing your mother. Well, maybe that's why this is a good one to start with because I know a lot of people that are listening have lost their job or they're experiencing maybe some kind of trauma in COVID. it and maybe this one is a good one to start with because it is one that can really work out that muscle of diversity to just detach from the situation. I think sometimes when you are nose to nose with something and you're staring at it in the face all the time, you don't have perspective.

So to detach, get outside yourself, read a book, get involved in someone else's story. It really, really helps. So I don't know if that's like the best anxiety tip, but that's my first one. Well, I would say I hope none of our listeners experience need to get. have an experience like that to discover that. But if they did, that is this, it's a way to look at it. You know, I don't want to say I copied you here, but my number one. Oh, here he goes. My number one. What's your number one? But I get tactical here. My number one and two, and you knew this was coming for me is to read. And because I believe with reading, you know, they, there's a quote. Well, with reading, it helps, like you said, detach. It helps you take you

to a different place. It helps you give it, it helps you see a different perspective. And, and one of the things I've been saying to read for years, if you're just like, hey, I don't have time to read a and I don't, which you do have time if you take the time. But if you don't have the time to read a book and don't want to invest fully, one thing I have been saying on this show for years and so is Lauren, is to read The Daily Stoic by Ryan Holiday. The way I use it is I read a page each day as it corresponds to the day of the year. I've done it for the last five years. And then I write back and reflect on the passage that I just wrote. I love stoicism. I think, you know, we've talked about a lot on the show. We have episodes about it. So you can start there. But if you want to take it a step further,

I believe that if you want to get rid of stress and anxiety, you should read, read, read everything you can. Not necessarily a business book if that puts you in a state of being like, oh, shit, I got to stress about business. But and read on a hard book, you know, not on a screen. Like I think a lot of people, you know, we get used to reading on our Kindle or iPad or our phone, like to actually pick up a hard book. And what I like to read about when I'm stressed is hard lives and people that have had

rough times. So one book that I've constantly talked about is Mansearch for Meaning by Victor Frankl. You know, he's a guy that, he's a Jewish man that survived the, the Holocaust. He survived the internment camps and live to write and talk about it. I think if you read that book immediately gives you perspective, you know, any biography about somebody that's had to overcome something really difficult. There's a lot of amazing biographies out there. Even novels, there's a good one called Chantaram. Lauren and I like a lot. It's also about a hard life. You know, and read about hard times. There's another book I just read. I'm just rattling them off here because frequent ones.

It's called Empire of the Summer Moon. It's about the rise and fall, the Comanche Nation. And when you start to think, one, how hard the Native Americans had it in this country. And two, some of the settlers early on, like, you'd just be out living with their family. And next thing you know, you're being murdered. So I just think, like, when you start to read books, there's another one called Not Fade Away by Peter Barton. You know, he's a guy that had it all and basically was diagnosed and later died really, you know, unfortunately. When Breath Becomes Air is a good one, too.

When Breath Becomes Air is such a good book, you guys, if you need perspective. You read that. I stole that from you. Yep. That's a good one. One then I go back to all the time if I ever find myself worrying and it's overlooked a lot because the author has written, you know, a powerhouse of a book called How to Win Friends and Influence People.

Don't read that one. That one is a great one if you haven't. You could check it out. But for anxiety, he wrote one, a bet one that I actually like better called How to Stop Worry and Start Living by Dale Carnegie. Like anytime I feel like I'm starting to worry, I check that one out. You know, and like I said, if you read and take the time, to go and read about hard lives and hard periods of time and in times in history and we didn't have

technology and didn't have the comforts that we have now it immediately gives you perspective to say oh okay maybe i don't have it that bad even with what's been going on in the world right now with COVID like go read about the black plague right and read about how people were dying in the millions and couldn't figure it out and they were literally killing cats to try to to solve for it and it turned out that it wasn't the cats it was the rats and so when they killed the cats it made all the rats go even crazier. And just read about history and people that have hard lives. And I think it's a, it's a really good way to gain perspective and to stop worrying and stressing out. When they killed the cats, it made the rats go crazier. Yeah, because they thought that the cats, I mean,

we didn't have, listen, here's a, here's a good example. We didn't have the type, or they didn't have the type of technology that we have now. You didn't have this news cycle. You didn't have information readily available. I mean, literally, people started dying in one town and the other town didn't know it until they started dying. Like it was, it was, you know, just, that's how it happened. And so, you know, also with a lack of technology and scientific study back then, they figured what the hell is making us all sick. And they thought it was all the cats. They thought the cats were making people sick.

But it turned out it was the rats. And when they started killing all the cats to get rid of it, think about what happened with the rats when all the cats are gone. Multiply, got bigger and bigger and so even, you know, spread and spread and more died. So it's just like. Holy shit. Yeah. No, I mean, listen, people had it really fucking rough back then. I was reading this book.

Which one was I reading the other day? The point of the book was the average. lifespan of a male in this period that I was reading, and I'll think about it as this show goes on, was 38 years old. I'm 33 right now. That means that in five years would be the end of my life. I would be like, okay, I'm 33. I'd be an old, old man right now. I'd be like done with, you know, three-fourths of my life. And then boom, 38, you're dead. So just like think about that and when I read history, I'm like, okay, we don't have it that bad. Things aren't always the best, but we don't have it that bad. Just to play off, because readings on my list too, one of the books

that I'm reading that I think it is so helpful and relevant in this time is untamed by Glennon Doyle. And I didn't know it's so popular on Instagram, but you guys, this book, it's the way she writes, she describes emotions and feelings that women have that you can't put into words. And it's so relevant. She has a whole chapter on racism. She talks about body image. She talks about how important it is when it comes to disappointing yourself or disappointing someone else that you always have to choose yourself. You always have to choose not to disappoint yourself and choose yourself over the other person. And she goes into depth about it. So that's another good one to read. If you're feeling anxious, I bookmarked the fuck out of this book. I mean, I've highlighted

it. I've read it to Michael and she's coming on the podcast. So I'm very excited about that. But this book is really, really good for the time that we're in, I think. Yeah. The last line by Winston, it's not by Winston Churchill. It's about Winston Churchill. And it was about the Victorian era. I think that's right. History buffs will correct me.

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I did it for three years. I noticed that I felt more zen, but I definitely noticed that it wasn't a huge. huge difference. Breathing exercises is a whole different level. Wimhoff came on the podcast. He said four hours of meditation is equal to 10 minutes of breath work. And after doing it and being a practitioner of it, I would totally agree. Now here's the secret ingredient. After you do his 10 minute breath exercise, it's free, no strings attached on YouTube. I just go on his Instagram bio and click it super simple. I take a freezing cold shower. Three minutes.

freezing cold. Okay, I brush my teeth in the shower. I do my shower gel. I use my cleansing bomb. I don't want my hair. I just let it, the freezing cold water flow over my body. And now I'm even used to it. I put on a podcast and I set my timer for three minutes. That mixed with the breath has been so energizing and it only takes me 15 minutes to do the whole thing. Whereas I feel like meditation, I would meditate and then I would take a long shower and it was a hot shower. And I wasn't really like ready to go, if you know what I mean. Meditation sort of puts me to sleep anyways. So I've taken a step back from meditation and I'm doing breath every single morning 10 minutes. I even do it with the baby. The baby sits next to me and she like loves it. And then I take a freezing cold three minute shower.

And before you get into your next one, what do you feel about that? Because that's helped my anxiety. Well, this is going to be disappointing to you, Lauren, because my next one actually had to do, I swear to God, I'm not copying. I told you guys. No, but here, let me, let me tell you where it's a little different. I don't have, I try to, you know, my morning routine can't last as long as yours. I mean, your morning routine is basically until mid-afternoon, you know, it's like, it's a morning lunch and mid-afternoon routine. I need to have a morning routine that is the foundation or I get in a bad mood. So here's what I do to switch it up, actually.

My, I agree with you after having Wim on the show and practicing and, you know, we started doing this right before we had him on the show, which is what triggered us having them on the show. The breath work, I do the same exercise, Lauren. I just go to Wim's bio and his Instagram and then click his breathwork. But let me tell you how I do it, learn. I go and I stand in front of my juve in my man cave for the whole time for 18 minutes front of the juve and then the breath works 10 minutes. And I've said this to you guys on the show.

We've had the Jew founders on this podcast. I use the juve every single day. For those you don't know what it is, it's red light therapy. I stand in front of it. I do the breath work for the full 10 minutes, front and back, you know, turning and turning like a rotisserie chicken. And, you know, I feel like with the lack of being able to get outdoors this year, while we've been in quarantine, the juve has been a game saver.

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But honestly, guys, I would check that out. I do the breath work there. And then right after that, I followed up with the freezing cold shower. I haven't had a warm shower in, what, month and a half now? Who told you about it? You, but it's weird because with the cold shower in the beginning, it's hard, but then you start to crave it. Like, I don't even want a warm shower. I don't want a warm. I do want a warm shower at night. I wind down with that like five minute warm shower at night. But in the morning, it's only cold from here on out. I'll never do a hot shower again. And I want to give you a compliment on air that I haven't told you about. Did you know, and this is true, that taking a freezing cold shower

every single day gets rid of those spider veins and capillaries. Where are they? You had, you had broken capillaries by your nose. Oh, they're gone. And they're gone. And it's, I was going to tell you this the other day, it's because you're taking those freezing cold showers. So if you struggle with broken capillaries or spider veins, the freezing cold shower really helps with them. The freezing cold shower also tightens the fuck out of your face. That's just a side note, which is awesome. Trust us. You know why it's so good because it's a hard thing to do in the morning. So you know, you get there, you get your breathwork, you get your mind in the right place. Then you jump in a freezing cold shower and immediately it's doing something hard,

which helps, man, it helps get your stress down. And it also helps you feel like you've got an accomplishment going and then you come out and you're super sharp and on point. And so, you know, I feel like it's just a muscle where it's like constantly putting yourself in discomfort to the point where you actually crave it. And to me, like it's definitely helped with anxiety. I'm not stressed in the morning. I go and like completely aware and completely pumped up. I can tell you right now and I like would sign off like my life that I will never ever, ever again in the morning not take a freezing cold shower. Are you on board with that? I'm after I'm addicted now. Yeah. I mean, I have to do some combination of it. We went to a hotel this weekend and

I did a combination of cold hot, cold, but you always end with the cold. Always end with the cold. I didn't want to end with the hot. It makes you too tired. No, you start with the cold, then you go hot, then you go cold. Okay. Okay. So you want to go next or should I go into it next? Oh, you want to get one first because I feel like you're going to keep getting them. Okay. You're going to just keep reading mine though. No, I'm not. I can't see. I can't see it. Like, we're like, our computers are like Battleship. I know, but you just. Like B3, B7. Yeah. Okay. And it's a hit or not a hit. Let's hear it. A lot of

a lot of battleship people wondering what's that like, you know, that's a good reference. Some people think what the fuck is battleship. All right, I'm going to tangent. We got to work out. Got to work out. And sometimes you think I don't work out as much, but I'm working out my whole life. That's a bit of an obvious one. No, but it's important because people slack on it. They go, oh, I'm in quarantine. Maybe like pushups. If you can't do anything, pushups, situps, dips, and air squats and lunges. I do those pretty much every day, no matter what. I agree with you on the working out. The second that we started quarantine, I told myself, Lauren, you are not going to use this as an excuse. I literally had this conversation with myself

to sit around and do nothing. So six to seven days a week, it's on my calendar to work out, whether it's on Skype or it's P-Volve or the skinny confidential body guide or I'm doing an Instagram live. And I'm always, always walking. So those things. People get overwhelmed with like the big workouts and why I just mentioned the easy ones. Just work out at home. Is the ones I just mentioned. You could do those in 15, 20 minutes a day and get them in. No, I don't buy that people don't have time to work out. I think that I think when people tell me that they don't have time to read and they don't have time to work out, I don't buy it. You make time. You make time. You figure it out. And those are two things. One is expanding your mind and the other

one is, in my opinion, expanding your body, your mind, your spirit. I don't know if expanding is the right word, but it's it's making you feel better in your wellness. Those two things are things that you can put 15 to 30 minutes aside a day. Well, listen, if you're physically exerting yourself, you're making yourself tired and exhausted from doing it. You literally don't have time in your mind to go and worry at the same time. Like, have you ever been, you know, on a mile long run or running up a hill or doing a workout? Like, you don't start stressing about all.

Like, if you're actually exerting properly, like, you don't have time to go. Your mind doesn't go to a place. Like, oh, my God, I got to worry about like my husband or my wife or my kids or my job. Like, you're exerting yourself. And so it's scientifically proven that working out helps with anxiety, stress, depression. So why would you not do it? I know it's hard, but that's the point. I like to do my workout, and this is weird. Sorry, Michael, after my freezing cold shower. I like to do it in the morning after my freezing cold shower and then I do a warm shower at night. So you just like put up with me for the whole day. That's where we're at in quarantine. Okay. So the next one that I talk about all the time that I can't stop talking about is not checking my phone in the morning. I just, this morning, I made the mistake on a Monday and you never fuck with the

Do not fuck with a Monday. Okay, guys. I knew something was wrong with you this morning. Oh, I checked my phone this morning when I woke up. It derailed my whole day. It derailed my whole day too. Don't do that. Yeah, I'm so sensitive to it now because I'm so used to not checking my phone.

I went in and checked my text messages and I truly had 105 text messages when I woke up. And it was all fires that needed to be put out. And I just went on this tangent of just checking all this stuff. And I shouldn't have done it. So my tip is, My tip is don't check your phone for an hour to two hours in the morning. Honestly, I wake up at 7. I don't touch my phone unless it's to turn on a podcast or music or to read.

And I prefer to read a regular book. But if I have to read, I'll read off my phone. But I will go straight to the book app. I don't even, if you open those damn text messages or your email, forget it. You're done. You're done. I'm going to say my fifth and sixth one because it's going to, I swear to God, we must be super in sync.

Like, but so I'm going to blend mine together here because it doesn't seem too copy. But I swear to God, I swear I didn't see yours. I don't know. I don't know what you're doing. But mine, it's not, it has something. I could be better at not looking at the phone in the morning because I'm one of the worst. Be honest about it. You have a guest on here every time and you wait for them to like, oh, great point in there.

Lauren, like, Lauren looks like a kid on Christmas when a guest comes on this show and says, don't check your phone. And she turns and stares. I mean, like I haven't heard 18 guests. The blue light gives me anxiety and up is my cortisol in the morning when you're on your phone. Admit you do that. Admit, listeners, call it on us. Whenever a guest comes on, it's this phone, she goes, oh, uh, uh, yeah, I do, because I'm trying to give you every hint in the whole entire world to stay

off your phone in the morning. It's so counterproductive. I'm not perfect. I'm close to it, but I'm not. Really? Yeah. Anyway, so I'm just kidding. But here's, here's one thing that's kind of in line with that. I have a rule that I do not check and respond to emails more than three times a day. So before you jump in, you're going to say, no, I see you looking at it.

That's a difference. That is such a lie. No, it's not. It's not a lie. You refresh your email. No, no, no, no. I look at what's coming in, but I do not sit down on a computer.

I pick morning, midday, and afternoon. And my team will tell you, they'll get emails from me typically at those times because I'll see what's coming in, but I never ever work on somebody else's inbox to-do list, ever. I always set specific times in the day that I choose to respond emails. Typically, that's in the morning between 9 and 10 when my workday starts, my official work day when my team's in there, when I'm working,

typically around lunchtime. And then typically when the work day's over between like six and seven is when I get in. I find that people that live in their inbox and are constantly responding as soon as something comes in, you're constantly working on somebody else's schedule. As a matter of fact, Lauren, if you want to call me out, I will sometimes not even respond to emails at all. If it's an email with somebody just reaching out and asking me to do something that is not to my benefit or not to my team's benefit or just not to respond, sometimes it just goes in the trash. And it's not to be rude. It's that if I can't give 110% to something, 110% to something, I don't, I don't sometimes doesn't get a response. It's impossible. And we've gone to this place, I'll even throw a text in there where where people think because they get a

text or an email, they have to respond to it. Let's go off on a tangent about text because this is something I've really wanted to talk about. This is a little tangent. Okay. If someone texts me or you or anyone, do not expect a text back immediately. And if I do or you do text back immediately, it doesn't need to be this conversation like you're on the phone. I sometimes take two to three to four weeks to respond to a text. I don't, and Glennon Doyle talks about this in her book, I don't believe that just because someone sends a text that they deserve an immediate text back.

When you're texting someone, you're coming into their space and asking for their time. So in my opinion, you should be, they should respond on your time. I know you're talking about text here. mills, but I actually consider this with all human interaction. Even someone walking up and saying, like, hey, like in the middle, if they walk into my office or they walked me out of the street or they see me out, like any type of human interaction that starts off with somebody coming in and asking for your time out of nowhere, without a plan in place, without a request, doesn't necessarily get a response for me.

And it's not that I'm trying to be rude. It's that I'm trying to not let somebody down later by not being able to fully commit. And I think we've gotten to a place here where we all, because we're, so connected on email and text and phone and in where all these platforms that people are feeling obligated to respond to everything and it's just not humanly possible yeah it's not humanly possible and honestly i have to be honest um what what's the day today june what i don't know 20th i have not responded to my birthday text i on my birthday i think when you're celebrating your birthday i do not want to be on my phone responding to text messages all day long so on my birthday i put my phone away and i still

haven't responded to all the text messages. Well, this year I got actually, so here's a good example. And listen, I don't want to get into a negative space because there's going to be a lot of people here that have a hard time with this. Like, you should respond to everything. And what I say to those people is, you know, yes to a certain point, but say you have a thousand messages a day for a thousand different things. Like, are you able to respond to everything and give it full force?

Also, I think when you, when you bring life into this world and you have a baby to take care of, Ryan Holiday talks about this. When he's spending time on other people's to do list, it's taking away from time of the person that he loves at home with his kids. Yes, but the reason I mentioned this and why it's relevant to this episode is it's all about managing stress and anxiety. And if you have a to-do list that's not yours, that's, you know, 50 other people that's not concentrated in one place and it's 50 different things and 50 different directions, that's going to contribute to stress and anxiety in your life. And so to minimize that, you have to be selective about the things you choose to

respond to. And also, when you choose to respond, you have to know that you can commit 110% because there's nothing worse. Like say someone asks me something, it's like, hey, Michael, can you give me advice and I choose to respond. I need to make sure that I give 110% of that advice because if I don't, then I'm letting that person down, which does what? It contributes to more stress, more anxiety to me. It doesn't help that other person which stresses them out. It gives them anxiety. So I think we have to be selective here. And so the point of me saying this is that it's not about being rude. It's about making sure that if you're having a social interaction with someone or you're responding to something or you're jumping in that you actually can commit because if not, you're going to be

stressing yourself out. You're going to be stressing them out. You're going to get anxiety. it doesn't play out to hear anyone's favor. Little break to give you a hot tip. Okay. Zaza has been doing this thing where she pulls out my hair. So not only am I having postpartum thinning hair, which everyone experiences after the birth of a baby, but she's also pulling out my hair. The other day it was like in her knuckles and her fingers.

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And it's so disappointing. I would rather you just say you can't do it at this time. And then other people, and I'm just going to shout her out here right now. Kristen Cavalry, she's so busy and she's got so much going on. and she was so professional and sends back these meaty, beautiful answers. And you can tell that she's one of those people that doesn't commit to anything unless she's going to give 100%. So my thing is, if I'm going to text someone back, I don't want to just text yes or no or

heart it. I want to actually give a good response. Or I just think that it's, I'm not going to text back. Yeah. So I think I would say, it's this. If anybody that's ever listened to this show has sent me a message and I haven't responded, it's because I haven't been able to give 110% and I don't want to let you down. I'd rather be this guy. I'd rather be the guy that says, hey, I emailed that person and never got a response.

I'd be like, that was kind of rude as opposed to, yeah, I emailed that guy and he gave me this shit response and it was like really like lackluster response and anything. Like, I don't want to be that guy. Or the reverse of that is you email me and I do respond. I want it to be like, I want a rave review like you just did with Kristen. And I don't want to be in the middle. And so I think that, you know, especially now with the child and wanting to take as much extra time as I can to be with her. I think that for anybody listening, try not to live, this is like a really long response. We went on a tangent here in your inbox, at the mercy of your text messages, at the mercy of your phone calls.

Like, you know, it's not worth it. It's disappointing not only to yourself to others. It causes so much stress and anxiety for everyone. And so I would highly encourage people to be selective in their responses. I completely agree. And I think that's giving us a lot of anxiety is feeling like we have to respond to everything. If I see a DM about a shirt that I'm wearing and I see 100 DMs about it, I'm just going to answer it in one swoop on my story so everyone can get the answer. But if I see a question that's super unique in my DMs and I haven't answered it, I'll really try to respond.

So I think it's about picking and choosing what you can do and what you're capable of. And like Michael and I just said, if you have kids, you have to know where to allocate your energy. And the sixth one there, because I said it was five and six is just be quick. If you're following, if you're on social media a lot, try to limit that, you know, even set a time or something. What I do on my phone is I set a timer on my Instagram where like you can do it into your settings and like screen time and it literally kicks me off if I go past my lot of time. And with something that you've said a long time ago, like if you're following anybody on social on any platform, TikTok, Instagram, YouTube, podcast, anywhere and they make you feel

trigger. Unfollow. Well, you shouldn't, you should unfollow. Stop listening. Stop consuming because it's just contributing to more stress and anxiety. And listen, there's a lot of amazing creators out that you can align with. You don't have to follow every single person. If they trigger you like, which, you know, that's an issue.

deal with like unfollow don't do don't do it if someone isn't providing value to my life i'm wasting a minute a day two minutes a day three minutes a day consuming their content that's a lot of fucking minutes a year and that applies to us too like if you ever see anything from us and it triggers you or gives you stress or anxiety like unfollow for a while like it's okay i'm not i'd rather people be in a good head space it's like it's like toxic people you don't want toxic people in your ether in your space so why should you have it on social media which brings me to my next point which i don't know how you're going to react to but since i gave birth i have back fuck off emails. I found that emails were everyone else's to do list. I found... We just covered this. Yes, but hold on. I'm going to even take this further. I found that by the time I logged on to emails

two weeks later, half the shit had been solved anyways. So it didn't even need a response. I told that story. I've told the story about the fax machine on this show before. Tell it again. No, no, no. My dad told me the story about a good friend of his. I love how you say no, no, no, and then you start into the story. Okay, all right, go ahead. Gather around. gather around the fireplace everybody. Yeah, my dad had a really successful business partner back in the day, and the guy told him a story. He said whenever, you know, they used to communicate off facts,

maybe even like the Pony Express back then. And that's a little Pony Express joke or throwing. He didn't laugh. But he, you know, he would get these faxes and they'd come in and they'd say, urgent, urgent, get back ASAP, ASAP. And he said he would take that fax and he'd put it at the very bottom of the pile of faxes. And he said, as he worked through the rest of the faxes and got to all those things, by the time it got back to the top,

at either one, sorted itself. two been irrelevant, three gone away or four actually was important and like then he had to pay attention. But typically 75% of the time, it was just, you know, it wasn't as urgent as they thought. So that's what I did after I gave birth. I decided to get off email and that meant for like five months. I had a maternity leave sign. I just turned it off. And anything that was really important probably got to you. And exactly. That's exactly what happened. And I went through 3,000 emails and there was maybe 50 that were really important. And what I was doing was just checking, and this is a trick that I really don't want anyone to know, but I will share it. I just checked my email on Sunday night.

And here's why this trick is amazing. If you check your email and respond on Sunday nights, no one is on email. So imagine it's just like silent. It's just peaceful. Now, if you decide to return all your emails on a Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, what's going to happen? You're going to get an email right back. On Sunday, there's no response, which is lovely. So I go in, I respond to all my emails, there's no response back and it feels really peaceful and serene. That's why I love going to Europe and having a nine-hour time reference because you start working on a Monday and it gets, it hits everybody up. It makes me horny. And then what I also do is after I've emailed my team 8,000 emails, I say to them, please do not respond to the emails to flood my inbox. Let me know on

the call next time we talk on our sprint, the answers. So what I know you're, you know, you're taking notes. You know what it is. I got, I'm just done with the emails now. I'm done. I'm kind of done with email. We beat the emails with the dead. I'm also done with text. Oh, I mean in general, I'm done no. No, I mean like in this conversation. Okay. We got it. Okay. All right, we got it. So, uh, the next thing that I did to manage my anxiety was get my hormones checked. And I'm not going to go into too much on this because I want to do a full episode on it, but it turned out my hormones were completely out of whack and I am now doing a ton of different things to get them back into place. And I don't know if that's the right verbiage.

This is new for me. But anyways, my hormones were out of whack. I got them checked. If you're feeling out of whack or you're feeling super anxious and like really irritable, I would highly recommend going and getting them checked. And here's the tip. Don't go to your regular doctor. Go to a hormone specialist because the hormone specialist is going to look at your blood levels

differently than a regular doctor would. A regular doctor's going to look at the whole general scheme of your blood, whereas a hormone doctor's going to look really, really micro and see what's going on. Like I said, I'm going to do a podcast on this. But that's another tip if you're feeling anxious. I haven't done that yet, but I need to do that. Yeah, you're going to do it. No, I'm scheduling. You know, here's a small one, but I find it helpful. Sometimes you know, like you're ever sitting on a plane or not, wait, none of us are sitting on planes right now, really. But you're just sitting around. you get like that wave of anxiety. Sometimes I get it.

You might not experience it long. But what I do whenever I'm feeling that way is I stop and I open my notes app and I write a minimum of 20 things that are good in my life. And it could be like, I have a great dog. It could be something so stupid. What do you write about your life? You're like, I have amazing life with like a great set of cans and like perfect babies. Like that.

Like that could be one. But my point is like I think, you know, sometimes when you start, it's like, oh, you know, a lot of us are, I don't, maybe I don't have 20 things. You have 20 things. it could be little things. But if you get down the list and you take a time in like five minutes and just write as 20 good things in your life. Could be you have a good friend, you have a good boyfriend, you have a good dad, you have a good

whatever it is. You have a, you had a good lunch. Like you read a good book. Like 20 good things. If you do that every time you start to feel stressed, you're going to start to feel better over time. And so like that's just a small thing I do anytime I feel a little bit anxious or a little bit fearfully, just write that and it helps get perspective.

Another thing Michael and I have done to manage our anxieties and actually has helped our relationship a lot is mushrooms. And I have talked about this on the podcast that we are not going to talk about this until we have an expert on the podcast so we can tell our story and they can tell the science behind it because like I said, we're not experts. But shrooms have really, really helped me with postpartum anxiety. Like, it's almost gone. Yeah, but I don't want people to go out there and run off to do it without having the proper

resources and the proper setting and the proper information. And so. Please hold on that one. And Michael Pollan come on the show. Okay, another one that I guarantee you's not on your list when I fucking guarantee it. I guarantee it is. I guarantee you it's not. What?

If you're stressed about finances, there's a lot of people that, is that on your list? No. Yeah, exactly. Fucking knew it. My wife has no idea. If I, if I die tomorrow, like you don't even know where to find our money. I just, it's just not my favorite subject. Clearly, I know.

But for those people that, there's a lot of people out there, especially now with this post-COVID era that we live in that are stressed about finances, you know, think about money a lot, think about how to make a living, wondering what's in their savings, wondering how to invest, all these things. And I think, you know, to try to give a whole podcast on all the intricacies of finance, we can start working on that if there's people that are interested. But one simple thing that you should do if you're somebody that is completely stressed about finances, what I find is that most of the people that are stressed about finances actually have very little understanding of money and finance. They are, the people that are the most stressed are typically the ones that pay the least amount of attention. Maybe not you

learned, but they don't, you know, they're scared to look in their bank accounts. They're scared to look in their savings. They're scared to look at their bills. They don't want to look at how to invest. And it's because it's stressful. Every time they look at it in, it's a low number. It's not where they want it to be. They stress themselves out. So I find the best way to not be stressed about finances is to understand money in finance. And there's one book that I would recommend that has actually been really helpful and explains it in a very layman's term type of way. Surprisingly, you know, is by Tony Robbins. It's called Money Master the Game. And for anybody that's sitting there, like maybe it sounds like a boring subject. But if you're somebody that's constantly stressed about

finances and money and savings, and I cannot recommend this resource more than up because you'll start to understand money how to invest, how to save, why you save, like how to squeeze more out of your income. And I think if you understand money, and that's the whole point in this book, it'll alleviate a lot of the stress points and anxiety around money. I just want to say that from an outside perspective, I watched Michael read this book and I watched how he began to manage our finances and it was a completely different energy. So that book is for sure, should be on everyone's list. Well, there's a few, there's a few books, but I think like that one is a really good place to start. You have to do an episode all on money management. The reason I tend to stay away from that is I'm by

no means a financial expert. I'm supposed to write this piece for CNN like and they asked about like finance and I don't know if I'm like going to. It's not really equipped. I'm equipped to. I'm equipped to. talk to up to my experience, but there's many people that are much more equipped, which is why we should probably have those type of people in the show. But I would say, if you're somebody that's constantly finding yourself stressed about money, start the path of understanding money and finance. And that's a good place to start because it'll alleviate a lot of your stress just by understanding. That's just like anything else, though. The next one I have on my list is thinking time. I learned about thinking time from Ray Dalio. Now, this sounds almost dumb. Thank you.

time. But thinking time has changed my life. I spend five to 10 minutes a day thinking. I'll just sit there and think. I'll play with Zaza and just let my thoughts go. Or I'll sit there with a pen and paper and just think and write. And I think it's underrated to just sit with a pen and paper and think. And that sounds so simple. But to empty your thoughts on the page. And as Julia Child said, do the morning pages every morning, which is like a brain dump of three pages, sometimes that can feel overwhelming. So just one page of just thinking and writing. To get everything on paper is extremely helpful, in my opinion. So schedule some thinking time in your calendar, five to ten minutes. It's not a big deal. I agree. I think that if you don't set time aside to think and reflect, it's really difficult to

keep up at the pace of the day. Speaking of that, I would say one of the biggest things that I've learned and why Lauren and I don't even own cable. We don't even have cable in this house. It's all on Apple TV and we buy the shows that we want to watch. And the reason we stopped is I want people to stop watching the news. I want them to stop reading the news. I want them to stop consuming the news. If, and I'm saying if, because I'm not saying don't pay attention to what's going on

in the world, if you are someone that is constantly sucked into the narrative, constantly stressed out by what you see, constantly triggered by what's going on, understand that these news platforms are not only news, but they're a form of entertainment. and sometimes they're in and they're also a business and I know that you know there's a lot of people that have written into the show that work for news organizations they get mad at me for saying this and it's not a knock on independent journalists there's a lot of great journalists but the news can be triggering and it causes a lot of anxiety and a lot of people feel like they have to jump in and do something immediately I've noticed that if you just stop watching the news cycle for five days five to seven days you will feel

better I will feel better all of us feel better and so once in a while turn off the news go read a hard book go work out, go work on your, you know, your career, go write something, go be grateful, go do something else besides just consuming all of this chaotic and sometimes toxic stuff that's out in the news. And that's a big tip that I think more people should listen to about how to feel better and less stress and less things. I mean, look what's happened with the news cycle with everything that's going on this year. And there's a lot of things that we've obviously needed to be aware of and known about it. You can do that by reading, but just constantly sitting there. If you've have been to someone's house and they just have the news on all day long, the most stressed people ever.

Your dad. Yeah. He's one of them. Your dad. Sorry guys. These guys are stressed the fuck out, you know, because the news cycles on it. It's just take it easy. Take a step back and go do something productive.

Go out. Take a walk. Go get an exercise. It's not to say all media is bad. It's just to say if you're a stressed person and the news is playing in the background over and over with negativity. And I'm not saying it's all negative, but a big part of it is, then maybe try turning it and putting on some Pasanova.

Yeah, I have some business partners that, you know, like I come in, like bright-eyed and bushy-tailed and they're like, have you been watching the news? And I'm like, no, like, but you seem like you're pretty fucking stress. And, like, you know, like, they're all whacked out because they've been watching the news and they're freaked out. And like, I get it. Like, they may know more about what's going on in the world than I do at that moment. But I feel a hell of a lot better.

And that's really all the correlation I'm looking for, especially because I know that I'm probably not going to change the world in the six to 12 hours of the news cycle for that day. there's other things I can do it. So take a break, guys, step back once in a while, turn it off, get off Twitter, get off, you know, get off the news outlets and just like see what happens. And you can always go back to it. It's not going anywhere. By the way,

that also has to do with like Daily Mail. I noticed that I would read Daily Mail when I was eating lunch and it started to get a little bit negative. So I checked myself. I think you constantly have to be monitoring yourself and monitoring the content that you consume because if you're not doing that, no one else is going to do it for you. And again,

it's one minute a day, then it's two minutes a day, then it's three minutes a day. And all of a sudden, you're inundated with all this negativity. So the podcast you listen to, the Instagram stories, the Instagram accounts that you consume are making up a big part of your brain. So make sure it's positive. And if you don't want to follow someone on Instagram or Instagram stories that you already follow, just mute them. Simple. The next tip I have is one that I learned from my baby. And it's something that I didn't even know that I needed until I got pregnant. And that I thought you were going to say me and I was kind of grossed out by the way you said baby but then it was now I realized it was the baby I was like don't call you know like when people go like oh baby I don't

but but it turned on it's about our actual child okay I was like well that's weird Zaza yeah right okay I get it well I was like what is that I'm like what do we like where I wasn't talking about you well you looked at me my baby okay sorry okay I learned it out of it my baby Saza and it's something that I didn't know I needed until I got pregnant and that's nature. I have had this revelation recently that I want to be in nature more. I live in L.A. and we used to live in San Diego and San Diego has way more nature than L.A. And I need and crave trees and fresh air and mountains and flowers and herbs. And I just think that as I continue to grow in life, one of my non-negotiables is being somewhere that has way more nature than we are right now.

So I've been feeling like I need to go and seek out nature more. And I notice every single time I do that, I feel 100% better. And that includes grounding. And I talk about this a lot on the blog. It's where you put your feet and your hands to the earth. And the ions from the earth actually make you feel better. And if you don't believe me, Michael Bostick was hungover one day. And I took him to Delmar Beach and put his goddamn feet in the sand.

And what did you say to me? Was I still hung over? You said that you were not hung over anymore. You did say that. The beach healed me, Lauren. I'm kidding. It did, it helped. The beach did heal you.

I think I also had aspirin, but it helped. Whatever. It's good. Yeah, it's fine. All right. We're almost done here. But I would say, like, if you've, you know, as you've stopped consuming all these things and as you have more time, I would say the biggest thing to help with anxiety and stress

is to get to work. You know, human beings are meant to work, whether that's working out, whether it's working on a business, whether that's working on a project, whether that's that's working on a creative outlet, painting, whatever, work. Human beings are meant to work. That's what we're put on this planet for, to work, work, work. Some people get it twisted and they think they're supposed to work and then one day retire for the rest of their life and do nothing.

I've never understood the concept of being productive your whole life so that one day you could be unproductive. I don't get it. Never will. Never understand. I understand people want to travel and take time off and not work for somebody, but you should always have something to work on to keep your mind occupied, whether that's a hobby or a business or your writing, whatever, work, constantly work. And when you find yourself working

and you're actually being productive, you find yourself in a space where you don't have a lot of time to be stressed and worrying because you're actually doing. So go and do and do and do start today, go work on something. If you just start working one foot in front of the other, you'll find that your stress levels and your anxiety start to go down immensely. So that's a peak in Michael in my mind. And that's a big peek into our mind during quarantine and during everything that's going on just how to manage stress and anxiety. Everyone goes through it. It is something that you have to be preventative about to get ahead of. I hope that these tips helped. Let us know which part of this episode you're interested in us exploring more. So maybe it's the shrooms, the hormones, the grounding,

whatever it is, let us know on my latest Instagram at the Skinny Confidential. And as always, some of the team members will drop into a few of your inboxes and send you guys the new cheeky pink stickers. Make sure you guys have rated and reviewed the podcast on iTunes. We're doing some huge giveaways in the next month. And to be entered, you have to rate and review the podcast. It takes five seconds on iTunes. As always, thank you guys so much for listening and we'll see you on Friday.