The Bossticks - How To Regulate Stress, Manage Inflammation, & Supplement For Missing Nutrients Ft. Alex Tarnava, Inventor & Entrepreneur

Episode Date: September 4, 2023

#606: Today, we're welcoming Alex Tarnava to the show. Alex is the inventor of the Open-Cup Molecular Hydrogen Tablet and represents Water + Wellness in today's episode for a discussion about all things hydrogen. Alex has a passion for health, fitness, learning, and self-improvement. After a lifetime of sports activity, he was shocked to find that he had developed osteoarthritis while still in his physical prime. After a long journey with prescribed painkillers, he finally set off on his own to formulate his Hydrogen tablet and immediately began to see the positive effects that hydrogen has on healing and health. Today, Alex joins us to discuss all things hydrogen and healing inflammation, how a multitude of symptoms can be linked to hydrogen deficiencies such as joint pain, stress responses, and much more. He also delves into the laws surrounding supplements in the United States, emphasizes why people need to do their own research when it comes to taking supplements, and provides insight into the benefits of adding a hydrogen supplement to their regimen. To connect with Alex Tarnava click HERE To connect with Water & Wellness click HERE To connect with Lauryn Bosstick click HERE To connect with Michael Bosstick click HERE Read More on The Skinny Confidential HERE To subscribe to our YouTube Page click HERE For Detailed Show Notes visit TSCPODCAST.COM To Call the Him & Her Hotline call: 1-833-SKINNYS (754-6697) This episode is brought to you by The Skinny Confidential & Water & Wellness Use code SKINNY for 15% off purchases on WaterAndWellness.com/skinny including EXCLUSIVE TSC bundles for extra $ off. Canadian listeners can shop molecular hydrogen and Quinton on our sister store at Vitaexpress.ca/skinny This episode is brought to you by Cymbiotika Cymbiotika is a health supplement company, designing sophisticated organic formulations that are scientifically proven to increase vitality and longevity by filling nutritional gaps that result from our modern day diet. Use code SKINNY at checkout to receive 15% off at cymbiotika.com This episode is brought to you by Westin Hotels At Westin hotels, there's amenities and offerings aimed to help you move well, eat well, and sleep well, so you can keep your well-being close, while away. Find wellness on your next stay at Westin. This episode is brought to you Just Thrive Just Thrive products have more clinical research than just about anyone else in the industry. Pair the award-winning, gut nourishing Just Thrive Probiotic with the stress-busting, mood uplifting power of Just Calm. These two products are game changers in helping you take control of your mental health AND overall health. Go to justthrivehealth.com and use code SKINNY90 at checkout to save 20% on a bottle of Just Calm + Just Thrive Probiotic. This episode is brought to you by ProLon The ProLon Fasting Shake is made with clean, quality ingredients including 21 vitamins & minerals, plant proteins and prebiotic fiber. Go to ProLonLife.com/SKINNY to get 15% off your order. This episode is brought to you by Betterhelp BetterHelp is online therapy that offers video, phone, and even live chat-only therapy sessions. So you don't have to see anyone on camera if you don't want to. It's much more affordable than in-person therapy & you can be matched with a therapist in under 48 hours. Our listeners get 10% off their first month at betterhelp.com/skinny . This episode is brought to you by Barefaced Visit Barefaced.com and use code SKINNY at checkout to receive 15% off your first purchase. The first 100 people to purchase Barefaced Overachiever using this link will get free Everyday Eye Hero reusable eye patches in their order. This episode is brought to you by DraftKings DraftKings Sportsbook is an official sports betting partner of the NFL. Download the DraftKings Sportsbook app now and receive $200 in bonus bets immediately by betting $5 and using code SKINNY at checkout. Produced by Dear Media.

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She's a lifestyle blogger extraordinaire. Fantastic. And he's a serial entrepreneur. A very smart cookie. And now Lauren Everts and Michael Bostic are bringing you along for the ride. Get ready for some major realness. Welcome to the Skinny Confidential, him and her. Various points throughout all of evolution, we've had much.

more hydrogen exposure than we do right now. For instance, the oldest waters we've discovered in the world deep below the Canadian Shield, two billions years old, have detectable dissolved hydrogen gas and it's gone out of our atmosphere and our water, but more importantly, recently in evolution, we're not getting it in our diet anymore. So up until maybe a century ago, we ate way more fiber than we do. The average human would have eaten about 100 grams of fiber a day, And you're producing hydrogen gas by fermenting that fiber as it goes through your system. So now today, the average person on a Western diet, it's about 15 grams of fiber a day. Coming in hot again with another episode of the Skinny Confidential, him and her show.

Today we have Alex Tarnava on the show. Alex is the inventor of the open-cut molecular hydrogen tablet and represents water and wellness in today's episode for a discussion about all things hydrogen. This is an extremely interesting episode. Lauren and I learned so much about hydrogen, how we evolved with it, how we don't get nearly enough of it anymore. In this episode, like I said, we're going to discuss all things hydrogen. What happens when your body needs hydrogen and doesn't have it? What to do if you have joint pain, how hydrogen works in the body, the real cure for inflammation, which I know so many

of you are going to be interested in, and how human evolution has affected the nutrients we get into our system. This is a very health-focused episode, very science back, and Alex is an absolute authority in the space. So this episode is going to be for anyone that wants to live better and add a little bit of that extra push. This episode was fascinating. Lorn and I took away so much from it. With that, Alex, welcome with the skinny confidential, him and her show. This is the skinny confidential, him and her. Okay, so hydrogen is to me, and maybe it's because of my line of work, a very random thing. How did you even discover this? Like, go back, like, is it when you're a child, teenager? Tell us, like, the story behind us.

It's about a decade ago, nine years ago. I just had like a life-changing event. At that time, I had a completely different business. I'd be traveling about a week a month and I'd be working 110, 120 hours a week while I was on the road. But I'd only work two, three hours a day, prepping for my next trip when I'd get home. I was competing in CrossFit. I was training martial arts several hours a day. I was working out like six hours a day. That was kind of my life.

And I got really sick. And they don't know exactly what happened. It was a mystery virus. My best friend at the time got really sick too. He was basically missed like weeks of work with pneumonia and this is a guy who was like top threying and triathlons and stuff. For me, it hit me different. My inflammatory markers were about 70 times abnormal.

I had a sudden onset narcolepsy. So if I sat and just wasn't talking and wasn't active doing something for about a minute I'd fall asleep, I was sleeping 16 to 18 hours a day and I had central nervous system fatigue. So what kind of that meant is my strength wasn't affected, like my deadlift, my squat, my bench press, none of those lifts were affected. Anything that was explosive, I couldn't do. Like I went from a 54 inch like box jump to I couldn't jump an inch off the floor. Do you think that the nervous system fatigue was from working 120 hours a week and working out six hours a day? I mean, that's a very gnarly schedule.

Yeah, it could have been. Was your friend doing the same thing? He was working construction and then training probably three hours in the evening every day. But it happened to us both at the exact same time, which is very abnormal and in very different ways. I know the doctors at the time thought I had a virus. They couldn't figure out what it was. Was there something that you guys were doing before together or a place you went or something you ate? We were roommates at the time.

And did they look into mold? No. So you have no idea still to the same. day what it is? No idea what happened. All I know is that it lasted two or three months. And when the dust finally settled, I had polyarthritis. So I developed osteoarthritis in 11 joints, the worst of which is my left shoulder. Like I can't move in. And what about your roommate, him too? No, he's got some issues and he was never the same. The arthritis hit me way worse. So one day you're normal. The next day, what's the difference between no arthritis and polyarthritis?

So it just means I had it in multiple joints. So like 11 joints I developed osteoarthritis like overnight. Wow. So at what point are you even having this hydrogen idea after all of this experience? When that happened, you know, and I was meeting with like the, you know, GP that I was feeling with at the time, which was just a walking clinic GP. He started putting me on like a thousand milligrams of naproxin a day, which I just knew was not sustainable and sending me in for cortisone injections. and I just knew that wasn't sustainable. And so I had tons of free time and I couldn't train like I used to.

So I just, I went to PubMed and I just started scouring for anything that could regulate the inflammatory response. Right. Because I'm like, I can't just be on a thousand milligrams of neproxone a day for the rest of my life. Is naproxone a steroid? Non-seroyal anti-inflammatory drug. So it makes it makes you not be in pain. Assume my scientific background is minimal. Yeah.

So naproxin is just like a brand name of aproxen would be a leave. But I was on like you might take 200 milligrams of a leave a day. I was on a thousand. So like five times as much, which is going to cause like serious like, you know, gut distress and, you know, side effects, which is exactly what happened. So at this time, I'm just scouring research. And I discover all this research on molecular hydrogen. But it was really unheard of at that time.

And I had to suppose. disposable cash. And I bought this machine for like $5,000 that said it made hydrogen water. And I'd incorporated a ton of other things into my routine, trying to limit the amount of neproxin I was taking. About nine months later, though, I was back to working out again, not to the level I had before, but I fainted a couple times within a week in the gym. And that's dangerous. Yeah. It turns out I developed multiple ulcers. And so I was deficient. From all the naproxin? From all the noxin. So I wasn't like processing my food. So they had to take me off the naproxin. And within like a week, all my joints were like seized. Like I couldn't put on a shirt,

couldn't put on socks. Like I was just wrecked. So I'm thinking about my whole like protocol. I'm like nothing was working but the proxin and the cortisone injections. You know, it turns out. And I'm like, well, this is a $5,000 paperweight to this hydrogen water machine. So I went back to PubMed and I just started scouring more articles. And out of curiosity, I searched up molecular hydrogen again. And there was a ton of new research in like the last nine months, again showing it works, it works, it works. And that really pissed me off because the machine I dropped 5K on wasn't doing anything.

But it just dawned on me, how do I even know this machine is making hydrogen and how much hydrogen isn't making. When you say it works, are you saying it was it was working to relieve joint pain or? It wasn't working at all. No, but I'm saying the papers that you were reading. Yeah, it was working for regulating inflammation. There actually were papers on osteoarthritis at the time too, so showing it protected against, you know, advances.

But there was also papers on like, say, like muscle soreness and all sorts of things. And it just, it wasn't working for anything for me. But I started buying the full like studies to read the methods of how the researchers, were making hydrogen water. And in not a single study I bought were they using a machine like the one I purchased. They were almost all making it in their lab fresh. And so I started doing a deeper dive into how to make molecular hydrogen and hydrogen water. I just got really obsessed and I started making it in my kitchen. Wow. This is like some breaking bad shit. The first iterations of the habits I got. I quickly found out that the magnesium that I needed to make the hydrogen in the

United States is controlled by the state department and you need security clearance, which I ended up doing, going through this nine-month process of multiple interviews and showing my end use of the product for them to release the goods to me. But I was getting it in from China and Eastern in Europe originally, like to do my R&D. So you're ordering premium magnesium that you can't get where you are from another country. It's like the element's magnesium. Like when you think of like magnesium, when you buy it off like the shelf, that's a magnesium compound.

So it might be like magnesium oxide. This is just magnesium. There's nothing attached to it. It's the earth metal. It's very rare, right? It's hard to come by. So you find a magnesium dealer in China or? Russia. Yes. And you started importing it into the country. But then like I was when I was getting it,

it wasn't saying magnesium that was saying like silver paint color. Right. Like and then I started realizing, okay, well, it's illegal for these countries to export it too because it's controlled everywhere in the world. But it was enough to do my early R&D, start working with the U.S. government to try and get an end use on this. And I started messing around with it in my kitchen and using organic acids and binders to try and get it to work. The big, the first challenge is magnesium floats. So even if you get the right pH and buffering in the water, the magnesium is floating at the top and all the gas goes into the air.

So you need to get it to sink. That's why you need it in a tablet form, right? So it goes to the bottom and the gas rises up. I was having some success. And actually like as I developed the tablets, my joints loosened up. And I started going to the gym again. I'm like, oh, wow, this is working.

But then I had a sober second thought. I'm like, you know, I'm a quick learner. And I know enough about this to do what I'm doing. But I don't want to win like a Darwin award by blowing up my house with me in it, dealing with like magnesium and hydrogen gas. And pause for one second just to get further clarity on your background. Did you have a back? Did you study this kind of stuff in school?

Did you have any back? So I'm self-taught. I had innovated on different technology before. My last business, a partner and I innovated on platinum fuel cell technology, what you use for like roadside breathizers. And we put them in vending machines and put like 15,000 across North America. And I've always loved science. I just didn't get formally trained.

So I knew enough about it from being self-taught to go down the road. But I also knew enough to know this is a lot more complicated. than my current understanding is. And what was your current career or what was your career path leading up to this? That last technology. Okay, so you were always inventing different things. Yeah.

So I found my founding partner. He's a PhD in organic and synthetic chemistry. He works in the pharmaceutical industry. And I tried to hire him to look over what I was doing. And our first conversation, he basically, and he's from England and came off very, very English. And he just basically said, this is the worst pseudoscience I've ever heard in my life.

I'm going to save you the $150 bucks an hour. Don't hire me. Right. And he listed all these reasons why it was a really dumb idea. And I rebutted every single one because I'd been looking into this for, you know, a year at this point. Like what's one of the ones that you rebuttled? He just said, you know, hydrogen is completely inert.

It has no purpose in the body, right? even if we can hold it in the water, it's not going to work. It's not going to do anything. And if hydrogen did work, you'd inhale it. You wouldn't dissolve it in water because you could get a much bigger dose, which both are very, very logical. But I started showing him all the research, the preclinical and the clinical research on what hydrogen was doing in the body.

And then showing him comparative studies, showing that even at 1,100 the dose, hydrogen dissolved in water will raise cellular concentration as much. much or more is inhaling it. So it has very, very different bioavailability. And so that kind of piqued his interest a little bit. And he said, okay, it looks like there's enough evidence for me to help you out here. I'll take a look. And he started playing around with my chemistry and I started sending him new studies every day to take a look at. Randomly one day, a couple weeks in, I sent him a clinical trial on a disease model that I didn't know at the time, but he was actually the lead chemist working on a drug for that disease model. And he called me for lunch and he said, listen, the rest of

the studies weren't my area of expertise. So I just have to trust the findings. But unless this is fraud, this works. I wish the drug we were developing worked this well. Do you want to commercialize this? Are you looking for a partner? And how does he know it works? Just from the findings. So he was giving it to the people. No, no, no. He read a clinical trial that I had sent him. And it just happened. That was the first clinical trial that was, he was an area expert.

Yeah, yeah. Got it. So when you start, like, what are some of the things you start sharing with him that are working in the body when it comes to hydrogen? At the time, like, we weren't understanding how it was having so many different effects. It's when something's called like pleiotropic. It does so many different things in the body. Now we do. But it almost seemed too good to be true.

like eight, nine years ago because it was regulating the inflammatory system. It was regulating our redox, like the harmony between oxidative stress and antioxidants. It was stopping various disease progressions. It was having metabolic benefits and brain benefits. And that's just not the case. That's not how, say, single molecules tend to work. There's just so many good things that were happening. Exactly.

But that seems strange. But now over the last. nine years of research, we're starting to really understand why that is the case with hydrogen. Basically, hydrogen, it's something called an adapted stress, right? So it's the same thing as like exercise or cold exposure, heat exposure. With exercise, for instance, if you don't exercise at all, you get really sick. And if you exercise way too much, you get really sick, right? And all these adapted stressors, they're basically light stresses that make us stronger and more resilient. hydrogen is actually showing not to just be an adapted stress, but to regulate our response to

other stresses. Interesting. Give me that glass. I'm going to have some right now. Give me all those glasses. I'm going to make this. And as the story has started piecing together, we're understanding a bit more why. Hydrogen has been with us since the very beginning.

Do you guys know what our mitochondria is? Sure. Yeah. So hydrogen actually was part of. what ended up becoming our mitochondria. So basically the first eukaryotes, which evolved into our mitochondria, were hydrogen-dependent. They used hydrogen as a fuel source, right? And then they started expelling hydrogen gas, and then they turned into our mitochondria that

we know them in living life now. But now the bacteria in our body, much of it produces hydrogen gas through fermenting non-nutritive carbohydrates like fibers, and other bacteria is. consuming hydrogen gas. So hydrogen is part of this ebb and flow that we have in our body. Various points throughout all of evolution, we've had much more hydrogen exposure than we do right now. For instance, the oldest waters we've discovered in the world deep below the Canadian Shield, two billion years old, have detectable dissolved hydrogen gas. So basically over time, the hydrogen's gone out of our water, which is not good.

It's gone out of our atmosphere and our water, but more importantly, recently in evolution, we're not getting it in our diet anymore. So up until maybe a century ago, we ate way more fiber than we do. Now, the average human would have eaten about 100 grams of fiber a day. And you're producing hydrogen gas by fermenting that fiber as it goes through your system.

So now today, the average person on a Western diet eats about 15 grams of fiber a day. And fiber is something that, and correct me if I'm wrong, it really helps us maintain and lose weight. And if we aren't having that fiber, we gain weight, which is why maybe we see so many obese people. Yeah, possibly. And here's a kicker that the research is showing. It becomes a double-edged sword because when we're looking at the response to fiber in middle-aged overweight people,

between 60 to 80 percent of them no longer produce hydrogen gas when given fiber. They're producing methane instead. So as we're not eating any fiber anymore, it's disrupting our microbiome. And then even when you get fiber, you're not producing hydrogen gas. And hydrogen gas has this critical regulatory role within our body that is now absent in most people. This is fascinating and also very interesting because obviously we got connected through water and wellness and Robert Slovak. And Robert came on the show and talked about his discovery and getting proper minerals. And obviously we talked all about Kintan and all that. People can go and listen to those episodes.

But this has a very similar path in the sense that one of his main arguments is that we don't get nearly enough minerals anymore in our system. and obviously proper magnesium and all of these things because of the soil and also because something like 80 to 90 percent of americans are deficient in magnesium yep and so when he came on the show we talked all about that but this on a similar path maybe one of the basis of your argument is we don't get nearly enough hydrogen and fiber anymore and when we do not in the way that we evolved to adapt because with adapted stressors you know say like exercise if you exercise all the time you're never given recovery you're just in a chronic state of stress because we need stress and then recovery and that's what drives positive adaptation. So we used to say

not eat one day as we were trying to forage, you know, and traveling. And then maybe we only eat meat because we killed an animal. And then maybe we find a grove of fruits and vegetables and we consume just copious amounts of carbohydrates and fibers in them. So we were getting that this spike of hydrogen and then a drop. And this is actually what we're seeing in the research. Say you take a cell culture or even like mice, if you expose them to hydrogen 24-7, there's no effect, right? It doesn't work. It's only when you give them an intermittent spike of hydrogen gas once or twice a day that you see all these positive adaptations start happening. So when you're taking this hydrogen, how do you take it?

my protocol every six months, I think that just like exercise, if you do the exact same workout every day forever, it stops becoming exercise. So right now I'm having like five tablets first thing in the morning. I'm a bigger guy though. One of the things that I've been going down the rabbit hole on it, and I actually gave a talk at an academic conference in Europe this past October on this, is the discrepancy in the translational research of molecular hydrogen. And this is actually something we see a lot in the supplement industry is that an ingredient will show all these effects in a mouse, but then when we dose it to humans, we're given them like 1% of the equivalent dose of what the mouse got.

And we're actually seeing this in hydrogen too, right? When we translate the relative dose that the mice are getting to what humans are getting, it's nowhere close, right? So we're taking way too low. So when I first discovered this stuff, I discovered it years ago, actually, when we were living in L.A. But I don't know how, probably just reading around the internet. But I was taking like one in the morning and one in the afternoon. You're saying that may be too little for someone?

It depends on the model, right? Because there's been a wide range of where we're seeing a response. Like for instance, we seem to need much less of a dose for improvements in athletic performance and recovery than we do in liver health. like liver health and hydrogen has been showing to drive liver homeostasis as well. So if you go out and you have a bunch of margaritas, you should probably take three or four. You probably need more, right? And it's going to be based on body weight too. Right. So like with hydrogen like most molecules, a smaller person is going to need less than a bigger person. And also in how it works at regulating and adapting stress. If you have more stress, you probably need to take it more.

But it sounds like everyone needs this though. It's not one person. or the other person or it sounds like it's something we all need, correct? Yeah, we definitely do all need it. Now, what I'd say is if say you were a crazy healthy person and say you have like a very high fiber intake, maybe just take hydrogen days you have abnormal stress. Like are you flying? Did you have a really hard workout? Did you have a couple of drinks?

Did you have a bad sleep? Right. And this is actually, we have a lot of research on improving brain metabolism after sleep deprivation. We actually showed to improve brain metabolism more robustly than caffeine after sleep deprivation with the hydrogen tablets. And hydrogen is not a stimulant. It's just correcting what's going wrong after that stressful event. I am someone who travels a lot. And I'm constantly trying to be healthy when I travel, but it is a struggle. But leave it to the Weston hotels to fix this issue. Okay, you guys, first of all, they have over 200 destinations around the world and they're

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couple of case studies doing that. Explain what you mean. Like you took a foot bath and put hydrogen in it. Explain what you mean how you healed. Well, I took a bucket and I put water and dropped the hydrogen tablets in. How many times? Every day for like a week. And it really, it has healing property.

Yeah, it did. And we actually, one of our clinical trials, we were equivalent to but trending better. if they'd recruited just a couple more people, it would have been statistically significant for hydrogen over Rice Protocol. So the go-to protocol healing after, say, an ankle tear is rest, ice, compress, elevate. And so in pro soccer players, they measured either the hydrogen tablets or Rice Protocol. And in numerous markers, hydrogen was almost significantly better, but from, say, like a practical sense was better, right, than Rice Protocol.

at healing the ankle tears. So let me, like, to give the audience maybe like a protocol, I know, like, you're just meeting me and you can't, like, diagnose everybody here. But if I am 170-pound male, exercise regularly, four or five times a week, eat decently well, you know, get decent sleep, if I was going to create a protocol for myself, where would you start? And then I guess people can kind of like adjust, you know, up down. Yeah, I like varying how I take hydrogen.

And say for days that I take a hydrogen bath, I don't drink it. Okay. Right. And it's actually getting into the tissue in very different ways. Like drinking it in the water is going to help your metabolism and your brain better. But when you take a bath, it's really going to get into your soft tissue and your joints a lot better. So I feel much better in my joints and my muscles when I take a bath. But if I'm really tired, a bath doesn't do anything for my brain fog, but drinking the hydrogen water does.

When you were healing and you discovered this hydrogen, how did you implement the hydrogen into your healing and what did you notice the differences? Because you said you had all these different things going on with polyarthritis. Like what ended up happening with you taking this? So basically what happened at the time, the two biggest ones that were bugging me were my shoulder and my hip. And they didn't get cured by any stretch of the imagination. Like hydrogen isn't magic. It hasn't regrown my cartilage. But they loosened everything up enough that I could get back to exercising and get back to like daily life. And what about all the prescriptions that you were on? Could you get off? Yeah, I stopped. So you could stop the prescriptions. It loosened up your joints so you could start exercising again.

And it's something that you use every single day. I use it to, I take a bath once a week. So I drink the hydrogen water six times a week. Okay. But once every six months, I wash out for one week and then change my protocol. Huh. So what I'll go back to probably after a few more months when I switch is instead of drinking every morning upon waking, I'll drink right before exercise. Okay, so you start it every, okay, so right now you're doing every morning upon waking for a guy your size, maybe five tablets, but an average person maybe two? Yeah, yeah. I mean, most of our clinical research uses two, but in some of our clinical research,

we've used four or five, but those have been more like serious kind of like disease models that aren't applicable as much to like an average healthy person. And so when you do a bath, how many tablets do you drop into a bath? I mean, I overload it. Our clinical research, like, we'll use, like, you know, 20 tablets. Okay. You know, out of the, the bigger ones. Are you doing that in room temperature water?

Are you doing that in hot water? Hot water and Alex, I'm going to walk in the fucking bathroom. And this motherfucker is going to be in the bath with bubbles with 20 tablets of hydrogen. Sipping a hydrogen drink. But you said, don't sip it during the bath. Okay. So for, you know, your symptoms were extreme. And it sounds like a lot of them were relieved by the use of this.

What are everyday symptoms that you see people having once they start implementing this? What do they see change? The biggest one in this is actually what drove the clinical research. And it was so hard for me to convince researchers to look into this because there was no existing literature, but energy like focus, brain stimulation, energy. One of the reasons we've advanced so much in research is I just kind of took my work ethic and I realized that I was going to have to be the salesman and convince all the public researchers at various universities and hospitals to look into hydrogen.

Because to privately fund this through contract research organizations, we have 17 published clinical trials, a handful of preclinical trials, about 15 more clinical trials underway. It would have been like in the nine figure range to fund this all through CROs. I was going to ask you, like, how did you even do this? So when I developed the technologically, and when it was finally, you know, ready. And from when, you know, Dr. Holland and I got the chemistry right, we then figured out

it was way harder to make millions of them than to make 20 at a time in a mortar and pestle, like the chemistry completely changed. I had to buy every textbook and read every study and read every patent I could on, on pharmaceutical formulation for lubricants and binding and everything like that. It took us from that date to when we finally finally, got our first production ready tablet, 2,000 iterative adjustments and 17 failed scale up attempts. And over a year. And from a period of time, what does that look like? Over a year of me working on it full time, right? And hiring consultants and trying to do everything.

Since then we have thousands more iterative adjustments to get where we're going. But when I finally got that first production ready tablet, I'm like, well, I need to validate this. I'm getting higher levels of hydrogen than these other technologies that researchers are doing in labs. And so I just, I went to work and I emailed the corresponding author on every single paper that at that time was published on molecular hydrogen for therapeutic benefit and said, hey, I've got this technology. I can make a quality placebo. I'm happy to donate everything under no, like they're called gag agreement. So usually when industry funds research, industry has a final say on if the results get published or not.

So if they're not favorable results, they go in the garbage. So you only see trials when it works. And you have no idea how many times it didn't work. It failed to get the positive results. It is fucked. It's completely fucked. So there could be a product in the market that finally gets one positive clinical trial. After 10 attempts.

So it doesn't work. Interesting. What about the government with this? Is this something that the government doesn't want us to know How has that been? So the laws in the U.S. are very clear, but most people in industry don't know them. Everyone in the pharmaceutical industry knows them, but nobody in the supplement industry knows. Enlighten us.

So it's a first-to-file system in the USA. And a lot of times, effective supplements get removed from the market because of a pharmaceutical industry petition saying that, hey, this is an investigational new drug. This can no longer be sold as a supplement. So is that what happened with NMN? That's exactly what happened with NM. That the pharmaceutical industry proved that they had started clinical research and filed INDs before the NDIs, the new dietary ingredient notifications.

I have no idea what you guys are talking about. What's NMMM? Enmins supplement. Maybe you can explain it better. Yeah, nicotineide mononucleotide. If you heard of like NAD plus. I've no. So like NAD.

NAD. Oh, NAD. Okay. This is like a precursor you take to increase NAD production. Got it. So basically what happened there, is even though the supplement industry, ingredient suppliers did file NDIs,

new dietary ingredient notifications before anyone from, or like before we knew anyone from pharma had filed INDs, because pharma doesn't have to publicly disclose the date that they filed the INDs. They then went and proved that they'd filed them before the supplement industry had. So to clarify, to file. This does not necessarily mean the supplement needed to be off market because it was a bad supplement. It's just because of the filing in the U.S. system. Exactly. The filing in the U.S. system. So what I did knowing that, right, because I said, okay, are there conspiracies?

How does this work? Right? Because when I entered this industry, everyone was saying, oh, you're going to get shut down by pharma. And so I hired consultants and I looked into the laws. I'm like, well, I'm not going to be, if I beat anyone from pharma to filing. But just, okay, so just real quick on this, just for people listening, when they say shutdown by pharma, big pharma will file these petitions or whatever or they'll file these things in order to preclude other people from entering the market and competing with them. Is that correct? Not anyone in pharma, but anyone to sell it as a supplement. Okay. So if how the FDA views things, if if something is a legal supplement first, it can then become a drug, right?

And once it becomes a drug, it can still be sold to supplement because it was a supplement first legally. What's an example of something like that that happened? Trying to think it usually doesn't. Because usually when it's a supplement first, it's off patent, and there's no money in it to make it a drug, right? But it can happen in the law. So not to go down like a weird rabbit line.

I know people like that I don't want to get in the whole other. Caffeine. Caffeine is an example, actually. come to mind because caffeine is considered a drug by the FDA, but it was legal in foods and supplements. But once something's being sold as a supplement per se, there's not nearly as much money as when it's sold as a pharmaceutical. And so maybe the pharmaceutical companies would not like those things, even if they're working because there's no money in them. Exactly, unless they can control it. Because it can take anywhere from nine to ten figures, like hundreds of millions to even

one, two billion dollars to launch something as a drug. So if they don't have exclusivity to corner the market, they won't do that unless there's a very specific way that they can gain this. And this is kind of the angle. I'm going out with hydrogen tablets. I first went and it took, you know, a few years. It was over 300 page dossier that cost, you know, a few hundred thousand dollars that we submitted to the FDA and it's a, you know, expert advisory panel. And we got what's called a no objection, meaning the FDA didn't object to the hydrogen tablets. They gave us what's called new dietary ingredient status. And then we filed another one for what's called generally regarded as safe, right? Like an expert committee saying this is safe for consumers to use.

So for the hydrogen tablets, we're a fully legal supplement or food, either or in the United States. And unless there's something that that shows in the future that it's seriously unsafe, which would be absolutely shocking because all the clinical research has had no safety issues whatsoever so far, will forever be allowed to sell as a supplement or a food. But that means we can now invest. investigate disease states as an investigational new drug. So you can see if potentially this could take the place of a pharmaceutical that's used to cure other disease or work or work with them, which is what we've been doing. And we've done a bunch of preclinical research so far showing that the hydrogen tablets delivered with pharmaceuticals in mice, right? So preclinical has shown synergy with existing pharmaceutical drugs.

Is there any drugs that hydrogen cannot go with? like say someone wakes up and they're taking a daily something. Is there anything that you are like, do not take hydrogen with this? There's no known contradictions so far in the research. The only thing is in a couple studies in diabetes, diabetics have had to lower their insulin, which is actually a good thing. Diabetics have had had to lower their insulin. So it sounds like that's good though if someone has insulin resistance. But forget they're, let's say they're not diabetic. Let's say they have insulin resistance. It sounds like. Like that would help with insulin resistance, correct?

Yeah. And we've got to be very careful with this as a disease state. And we're doing something right now called a CARS report with a handful of professors who aren't attached to the company that my company is commissioned to do this. So a CARS report, it means credible and reliable scientific evidence. And this is actually where you can get legal claims on supplements, you know, or foods in the USA, is if an expert committee that are an expert in the field, all sign off and say this does this and it supports what's called structure or function in the human body. And this is what's great about hydrogen because say, for instance, with blood sugar, hydrogen supports a healthy blood sugar range, but it doesn't continue lowering it once you're in a healthy range.

So it's not a blood sugar target, but a downline effect of how it's working is it's keeping people in a healthy range. So hydrogen actually fits in absolutely perfectly to the laws in the United States right now in that a supplement can support healthy structure and function of the body. But it doesn't take you beyond. But it doesn't exactly. Because a pharmaceutical, say like you take a pharmaceutical meant to, you know, lower something, you can lower it too much if you're on too high of a dose. In the research, hydrogen has never done that.

It promotes something called homeostasis, which is kind of like, like harmony. And this is what makes it really important. And I know a lot of people will talk about hydrogen being an antioxidant, but it's not. And that's a good thing. Hydrogen regulates something called redox homeostasis. And that's the yin-yang harmony between oxidative stress and our antioxidant system. So we have beneficial oxidative stressors and nitrousative stressors. Like nitric oxide is a stress, right? H-2-2. We need these. They play critical roles in our body for cell signal. And what happens, and this is what longitudinal research shows, too, if you take too many antioxidants, you go into something called reductive stress. It's the opposite

of oxidative stress, but it's just as harmful. So hydrogen can't take you to reductive stress or to oxidative stress because it regulates our body's own production of both antioxidants and these beneficial oxidative and nitricidative stress. So it sort of gives you what you need. Yeah. And that's why in say nine out of ten trials, hydrogen has a strong antioxidant effect. But in maybe one or ten trials, it shows a pro-oxidative effect, but for a beneficial result. Because they have too much antioxidants? So for somebody, have they done any trials to show if there's any kind of like preventative aging or anti-aging properties? Yeah. So we have one on the hydrogen tablets. And we had very strong results. It was in an older population. drinking up. And we affected a lot of, like, the biomarkers associated with aging.

Like, we lengthen telomeres. We improve DNA methylation. We improve brain metabolism. Have you guys seen any of the research on, like, they call it like vampire research where they take the blood of a young mouse and put it in an old mouse and it rejuvenates? So that's linked to a protein called T2-T2 and hydrogen doubled tet two in the blood. Wow. So.

So can you give it? to kids? There's actually research on hydrogen even for infants. So how would I give it to my infant? In labeling laws in the U.S., you have to put, so I have to say here, that you have to ask your practitioner. I will ask my practitioner. How would you give it to your infant? I wouldn't, unless there's any a stressful event, is what I'd say. Because when they've given it to infants in clinical research, it's when, say, they've had like hypoxia, right? So they have high inflammation because they've had like oxygen shortage. Because hydrogen's not going to do anything unless you have high stress. And the younger you are, the less stress you have. So for a young kid, maybe if they get

hurt or if, you know, like you're traveling and they don't sleep, right? You can give them hydrogen to correct the stress that occurs. So we are going to travel for, we're going to be on an airplane for a long time. So I can slip a hydrogen in their drink. And, uh, I mean, hydrogen has shown in several trials to protect against radiation and UV damage. Wow. So when you're walking through those machines too at the airport. Or on the airplane where the UV radiation is super high. So let me, so. Wow.

Actually, NASA was doing research on hydrogen for radiation. So would you just bring a couple of these and then pop them on the plane when you're, I take them about an hour before. Wait, you don't pop them, right? You put them in water. No, but I mean pop them out of the thing. I want to know some stories that you've heard from people that just, you know, regular people who have tried this and it's like blown your mind.

So so many of them are disease state stories so that I can't I can't really, you know, share. Got it. The ones that I hear the most are just like people just like, wow, like I took this. I was like feeling like crap and I took it and like 15 minutes later, my head was clear and I was like ready to conquer the rest of my day. And that's what kind of drove. We did two clinical trials on it that showed it worked better than caffeine equivalent or better than caffeine. different parameters because it's just correcting brain metabolism. And actually when we went deeper at it,

and we've heard tons of stories about weight loss and extra activity. And actually across three clinical trials, we've shown weight loss and improved body composition in the hydrogen tablets. Why is that? Why weight loss? So the most recent clinical trial, we did. And at first we're like, okay, does it come down to improving brain metabolism?

Because the more active people are, they're going to lose weight just by activity. And actually in the one study where we reversed metabolic syndrome, which is pre-diabetes, and we were effective, and I think it was 21 of 22 measured outcomes for metabolic syndrome, the professors were debating how to report this because the patients had journals, and the patients in the hydrogen group started becoming more active. They were reporting going for walks and getting active, and they're like, okay, well, this is a confounding variable.

But then other professors on the trial were arguing, no, it's not. That's how we expect hydrogen would work. It's giving these people more energy and so they're out-seasoning their day. You know, maybe that's not like a pharmaceutical-like pharmacological effect of hydrogen and weight laws, but it's making them more active, which is leading to the weight laws. But now there's a different piece of information we got from this recent clinical trial that was just published this spring. This was on an all-ages group.

They were overweight, not even obese, but it had improved body composition, weight loss. It improved brain metabolism in the overweight people. It also improved gut health in a couple ways. But when they went deeper into the brain metabolism, they found that it regulated the chemistry involved in satiety, meaning that it might work to make people feel more full. So instead of overeating or eating bad foods, if you've had that satiety, this would help regulate.

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I know you talked about anti-aging. Yeah. But talk to me about the beauty benefits. Is their skin, is their nails, is their hair? We want to know all those. Hydrogen has had a couple clinical trials. Actually, a lot of clinical trials showing improvements in skin, but most of them have been

like disease states like eczema, atopic dermatitis. But there was one that bathing in the hydrogen water showed a reduction in wrinkles. And there's a lot of studies showing reduction in UV damage. There's another piece, you know, and I kind of want to talk about this a little bit. There's a couple of studies on hydrogen inhibiting something called advanced glycation end product cross-linking. And when we think of why we get wrinkles, everyone immediately thinks of UV damage, but there's two reasons we get wrinkles. There's ages and UV damage.

And the reason that we don't know about ages is because after about 25 years of pharmaceutical development, we have yet to find a molecule that can break the most common age glucosa pain, even in a petri dish. So ages are one of those things that they accumulate in our body. Over time from the day we're born, and as they accumulate, they break down our collagen. They stiffen our arterial walls. They break down our muscle. It's why we end up tearing muscles more the older we get, and our muscles weaken. They cause brain issues or one of the driving causes of diabetes, and we actually cannot get away from them. The only thing we can do is slow down how many we have because we get ages in two ways.

one, we can get them like exogenously from the food we eat. Do you guys know what the myelard reaction is? No. Anyone who say like a baker or a cook knows, it's like the browning on a steak or the crust of a bread, right? That's actually what ages are. And that happens inside our body. And that's why it stiffens us up. So when you say eat that brown steak or that, you know, bread, you retain about 3% of those ages that just stay.

in your body and inform these unbreakable connections between your proteins and lipids. Wait, wait. So when I eat crust on my sourdough, you're telling me it's making me age. Age faster, yes. But on the flip side, if you don't. Michael cooks my steak. I do not want a brown steak. I see it pretty good, honestly.

No, I want literally give it to me raw. That's the way we do it. Raw dog. It's delicious. But, I mean, there is no diet that you can do to get away from them. Because the other way that we make age is the sugar, the glucose, in our blood reacts with free radicals and we make them inside our body. So if you eat just a lot of carbs and you don't have any browning on anything,

you're still going to create these ages endogenous. But also you can breathe it in from cigarette smoke and smoke and pollution. So we're getting assaulted by these all the time. The best way I want to describe it and how it breaks down like our proteins and everything in our body is think about like a brand new set of sheets, right? When they're brand new, they're malleable, they're strong, you fold them, unfold them, there's no wrinkles, you tear at them, nothing happens. And then you think of a starched out set of sheet.

And that's ages. And you can't get the wrinkles out, right? And they tear easily. And that's what happens inside our body. So every day that goes by, you accumulate more and more of these ages. And the only thing you can do is try and prevent them. because there's nothing, nothing even in a petri dish that we've developed after 25 years because it's one of the key targets for a lot of disease models. It's one of the pillars of why we get

grow older and age. But the pharmaceutical industry has not found a single compound that can break them after they've formed. Has hydrogen? It can't break them, but it slows down their formation. It delays it. And there's actually a lot of natural ingredients that have shown to inhibit their formation, which is the best we can do. We can just slow down the progress. I'm on the hydrogen train. I've been on this train, though, for a long time because of Robert and Cherveen and just everyone's, but now after talking to you, I'm like, okay, I need to do this every day because sometimes I'll miss I'll miss a couple of days. What would you tell me to take as someone who works out? Obviously, I'm a woman, mom. I'd take it most days for sure. Every day you work out. Any day you're traveling.

I know you guys travel a lot. Okay. Right? Especially before you get on a plane. And especially if like, I don't know about you guys, but I usually take earlier flights. So I'm up early like, you know, when I came here on Friday, we got like four hours of sleep. How many would you take if you were me on a flight?

I'd probably just take two for you because, you know, you're not that that big of a person. Right. I mean, the reason that I take like four or five a day is because one, I am a bigger guy, two, I have arthritis and 11 joints. Right. I work a lot. I mean, I kickbox three times a week. I left weights to three times a week.

I'm often up working until 2 a.m. And then my phone's ringing at 7, 8 a.m. I'll go back to sleep after I get my first round of calls and everything in. But I have a lot of stress. So like 2 is a good place for an average person to start. Yeah, yeah. The hydrogen water machine that you told us about in the beginning. Yeah.

Now that you know all this information, was it fake or did it work? So I got this reagent and I tested it. I knew you. One of the things about a lot of these machines is they rely on the source water. And where we are in Vancouver, there isn't very much minerals, right? It's less than five TDS, right? 5BPM TDS. So I was getting 0.03 parts per million in this machine.

The tablets with our gas chromatography results in 500 milliliters, we get 12.4 parts per million. So we're hundreds of times higher in our hydrogen. So you wouldn't like invent a showerhead that has hydrogen coming out of it. You would just say take a bath with the hydrogen in it. I'd take a bath so that it's constant contact on your skin. I've worked with a couple of companies trying to develop showerheads for hydrogen. And the levels just haven't been high enough in my opinion. Like even trying to use a tablet, trying to use other ways.

They haven't gotten the levels of H2 high enough. in the bath you can get the level quite high, right? And it can have very strong results. But just like in general, like it. And what I want to say, say with two tablets a day, two tablets a day and the hydrogen tablets get by a land side, the highest concentration of hydrogen out of any technology in the world. Typically the best competing technologies are maybe a third of the level, right?

So yours is just like pure. It's so much more. And how we do this and you want to drink the water really fast, you want to try. because there's limitations in making hydrogen water. Okay, but here's a question. So you guys, when you put the hydrogen tablet in, you want to do room temperature water. Yeah. But it, it sort of fross up.

Do you have to wait until it's done frothing up like an alka-seltzer and drink it? I chug it. Like, as soon as that tablet rises. Have you ever swallowed the tablet? As soon as it's done. And it's fine. I want to say this. The reason we don't say swallow the tablet is because if someone has very weak stomach

acid, it could potentially cause an ulcer over time doing that because the tablet might sit against their stomach lining. It's easy to just wait for it to dissolve. Exactly. Just wait for it to dissolve and then chug it down. But like any like, and especially if you swallow a tablet and you don't drink enough water, that's when it could have an effect on it. But for me, when the tablet's like super small when it rises to the surfaces, when I chug it.

But for consumers, I say wait until it breaks apart. Okay. So you chug, you can put two. in the water in the morning. Yeah. And you wait until I put five in a liter. Wow. So my final question before we go was actually two questions.

How did you get connected with Robert Slovak and water and wellness? Basically, when I developed this and I put it on this like an internet group and this like eight years ago probably. And I got contacted by Robert because he had a different hydrogen tablet. He'd been trying to develop hydrogen tablets for years and they weren't working very well. We just started talking and he was like, I was going to sort of brand. and keep it exclusive. And he's like, no, he's like, this is so esoteric. You need every brand in the industry talking about this. I'll private label it off you. I'll introduce you to people. And he just became one of, I guess, my biggest allies and endorsers in the industry. And he was

my first customer. He's a good guy to know. Yeah, he's a super good guy. And a character. Hi, Robert. We are going to do a giveaway for a bunch of water and wellness products. We'll do a bunch of my favorites, which are the hydrogen and the Kintan minerals. I'm obsessed with both of those in the morning. All you have to do is follow at Water and Wellness Co on Instagram and tell us your favorite takeaway of this episode with Alex on my latest Instagram at Lauren Bostick. We also have a code on water and wellness. Just use code skinny. Can you tell us where the audience can find you if they have any questions? So you can find me on Alex Tarnava.com or I have a research gate account. So I've published

quite a bit of research on hydrogen and some other topics as well, more link to and I'm not big on like Instagram and stuff like that. I pretty much never post. You forgot your home address and personal stuff. You are a wealth of knowledge. And I also think that you guys can reach out to Atwater and Wellness Co on Instagram. If you have any questions, I personally would recommend if you've gotten anything from this episode and you want to purchase the hydrogen.

I personally would start with the active H2 Plus. They're the little tablets. The chromax. Sure. And actually a big point on that, like we said about the metabolism for the chromax, that was a product that I worked on with Robert, him and I developing. And at the time when they launched it, I think Water and Wellness was the first company that took the leap to do a hydrogen plus product that has more than just the hydrogen in it.

So they added Chromex, which has a ton of clinical research on improving metabolism, weight loss, everything like that. Robert just really, really felt it was best for his audience to go after the weight loss and the metabolic benefits of H2. Yeah, because I got introduced to the blue bottle first, which is probably your original. Yeah, that was her original. And then when he came on the show, last time Robert brought us a big old goody bag with the Chromex in it.

And then if you're on the site, I mean, I can't wait to try the one that you put in your bath too. But I think just if you're listening and you've never been introduced to hydrogen, I would start with the active H2 plus. That's the one that I just dropped in my water. That's the one I put in my water. I've been doing it a couple times a week. But now I'm just going to add two in my room temperature water and chug it down.

I have one final question before we jump. Is there a period of time you would suggest someone try this for or measure against? Like you're not going to maybe do this for one day. Yeah. I mean, if you do it for one day unless you have like huge stress, you're not going to notice anything. Right. Like for the anti-aging benefits, the metabolic benefits, it usually takes two, three months to start seeing, you know,

some effects. And remember, like, if the average person is losing one to two pounds a month, right? That's after measuring like dozens of people. Sure. Right. So like your results may vary because what if you stopped working out in that month or something? You know, you maybe have counteracted it more. But the best way to see the effects of hydrogen, in my opinion, it is after sleep deprivation or after drinking.

I will definitely try it after drinking. It makes sense, though. We've got a three-year-old and we drink. It makes sense that you would have to, that you would have weight loss with this because if your body's holding on to so much stress, you gain weight. And so when you don't have all that stress, it can make sense that your body would let go weight. And especially like we know, like higher circulating levels of oxidative stress and inflammation

can have devastating effects on our metabolism. They can convert more, say like brown adipose tissue, which we release is. energy to white adipose tissue, which is almost impossible to get rid of. Everyone doing their morning routine needs to get on hydrogen. Alex, thank you so much for coming on water and wellness. We love you and come back anytime. Thanks, Alex.