The Bossticks - How To Stop Playing Small And Start Designing The Life Of Your Dreams Ft. Les Alfred Of The Balanced Black Girl Podcast)
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She is an award-winning podcast host.
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she's a speaker and a content creator. For nearly a decade, Les has created inspiring approachable
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Let's welcome Les Alfred to the show.
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Les, we have you on the podcast.
We've been wanting to do this for a long time.
You're also on Dear Media.
Thank you for making the trip.
Give our audience a little background on you if they're unfamiliar.
Oh, my goodness.
Yes.
Well, thank you so much for having me.
I have to say, I've been listening to The Him and Her show, I think since y'all started it.
Oh, wow.
This has been exciting.
So you've seen all different ways from Michael.
But you know, now.
I would prefer you told me that at the end because now I'm going to be in my head the whole time.
I'm like, oh, shit, what do I, you know.
It always messes me up a little bit when someone tells me they've heard what things.
I've said some weird things on the show.
I mean, I don't even remember half of what I say on my show.
So it's okay.
Tell us your journey.
How did you get here to what you're doing now?
Yes.
So right now I am a podcaster.
I host a podcast called Balance Black Girl, which I do every week.
But it has been a culmination of a super long wellness and kind of professional journey that I've had over the years.
So I feel like I've spent most of my adult life as a certified, like, wellness girly,
gym girly.
So I got interested in wellness when I was in college, which I feel so lucky that that was
when I became interested in all of this.
And it's just taken my career on such a windy path.
Why did you get interested in wellness to begin with?
So I was in my first corporate internship, the summer between my junior and senior year of
college, and I hated it.
I was sitting at my desk every day, truly falling asleep.
And I was like, okay, if this is going to be my career,
I need to figure out some sort of way to generate energy.
And at that time, I'd never worked out, never eaten healthy.
So it's like, okay, maybe if I go to the gym, I'll have a little bit of energy to stay awake throughout the day.
Or maybe if I drink water as opposed to like just champagne, which when I was like 20 was all I drank, maybe I'll feel a little bit better.
And lo and behold, I did.
It was a pretty easy fix.
And so I noticed that as I started doing these things, I felt stronger.
I felt more confident.
And it was just like a snowball effect.
And what were the things that you were doing?
First things, I started working out regularly and at the time I had no idea how to work out.
So I was just taking workout classes at the gym, just doing anything I could.
Eating better.
And I still wasn't eating that great.
I mean, this was maybe like 2010.
So I was eating like, I don't know, mean cuisines and like random stuff like that.
But it was better than like the full college pizza diet that I'd had.
I was walking every day and I just started noticing these small incremental changes from just doing those things.
And are you sharing this as this is going on or did you share after you got fit?
I started sharing a few years later. So my senior year of college, I was really into wellness. After college, I was really into wellness. And I started working full time in corporate, absolutely miserable. And I noticed that the only time of the day that I was remotely happy was when I was at the gym every day. So I became a personal trainer and I started training clients and also teaching fitness classes before and after work. And that was when people in my life started noticing. And they were like, okay, wait, what are you doing? You seem so much stronger. You seem so much happier. You're actually like speaking and becoming a confident person.
And I started sharing online about it in 2014.
That was when I started blogging.
Don't you think lifting weights does give you a certain confidence?
I feel so much more confident since I started lifting weights.
It's weird.
It's like a switch.
It is.
It teaches you how to believe in yourself is what I always tell people.
It rewires your brain because if you can do something physically that you didn't think you could do before,
it makes you think, okay, well, what else can I do?
Yeah, I've said on this show multiple times, like if you're somebody that's anxious or feeling depressed or not feeling
confident. Just getting in the gym and starting to get fit is going to change so much of that.
And, you know, I think for the people that don't take, you know, those kind of bacteria seriously
or don't do those things, it's kind of like, oh, easy for you to say. I found in my own life,
like, if I stop doing those things, that's when I start to wallow, that's when I start to stress,
that's when I start to get a little depressed. And like, I feel like if more people, like,
even forget the vein reasons or the health reasons, just for the mindset alone, like, if there's
one message I could convey to someone, it's like, just get in the gym and do hard things. And
so many things in your life will improve.
100%.
What's wild to me is I wouldn't be able to do the things I do without the gym.
And it's not even about the way my body looks.
It's like it sets the tone of the whole day.
It clears your head.
It really like sort of kicks it off.
It does.
I mean, I think it teaches you how to be comfortable doing hard things.
I think it increases your tolerance for discomfort,
which I think is really hard for a lot of people.
want to be comfortable all the time and want everything to be easy. So starting your day with something
that makes you be uncomfortable, forcing yourself to do hard things at the beginning, sets you up to be
able to do that all day. That is such a problem right now. Everyone wants to be comfortable all the time.
When I talk to people about ambition in our private life, sometimes I say what I'm about to say,
and it's like you can see the moment in their face when they realize, like, many of them think this way.
So a lot of people's goal in life is to get to a place where they're so comfortable that they don't have to do anything else.
So let me elaborate.
A lot of people want to work and have success so that one day they can afford to pay all of their bills and pay off their mortgage and pay off their house so that they can just stay in that same place.
And there's nothing wrong with that.
But if that's your goal is just you want to be comfortable all the time so you can stay in the same place, it's really hard to grow.
And so when I tell people like the shift should change to be like you should always be a little bit uncomfortable and you should make peace with the fact that in life you're always going to be a little uncomfortable because that's what's going to keep pushing you forward.
We're like the only goal in life is just to stay in the same place and be comfortable in the same place.
You're just going to stop growing.
And I think that's when people start to get complacent and a little upset and maybe not so happy with the results they're having in their life.
I feel like you have to go out of your way to seek discomfort though.
You do.
So whether it's going on a really long walk while you're going.
you're on the phone or getting into a cold plunge or doing a really hot sauna or going to the
gym and lifting really heavy weights, you do actively have to seek it out. And if you're not
seeking it out, it's probably not going to come to you a lot. Putting your phone away, even deleting
your Instagram app, like just getting off social media and picking up a book, it's something
you have to seek out. It is, especially those moments when you don't want to. That's when you have to
the most. You went viral on your Instagram for reframing what exercise means.
to you. Yeah. Talk to us about that. For sure. I mean, I like to think of exercise as like a daily deposit
in becoming the person that I want to be, all of my habits. I think of them as daily deposits.
If my life were a bank account and I'm adding to it, my habits, my workouts, my journaling,
whatever it is, or all deposits to become that. And I had to have kind of a come to Jesus moment with
myself a few years ago when I felt kind of stagnant. I wasn't really reaching goals or getting
where I wanted to be. I realized that I was staying so deep in my comfort. And I was.
zone at the version of myself that I needed to be to get there, her comfort zone was a lot higher.
Like, her threshold for what she could tolerate was higher. So I had to start reframing it of like,
okay, I'm doing these things to increase that threshold of what I can take so I can get where I want
to be. What's an example of like what your comfort zone was when you think back?
I think a lot of it was fear of being seen like with podcasting for a really long time.
On my podcast artwork, I didn't have my photo on it. It was like a graphic. I didn't do like
solo episodes. I only did interviews because I was just like afraid of having opinions, afraid of
people seeing who I was or knowing who I was. And I was like, well, if I'm going to be successful
at this, people have to know who I am. They have to see me. They have to feel like they're getting to
know me. It makes sense. I was reading a Naval Ravacant. Is that how you say his last name?
Yep.
Quote. And he's like, authenticity beats competition. You kind of have to put yourself out there.
When you decided to start putting your face on your artwork and getting on your podcast and saying
opinions, what happened? Oh, it grew. A ton. I had started podcasting in 2018 and,
early. Yeah, it was pretty early. And in 2021, I shifted a few things. I started doing more solo episodes
talking directly to the audience. I got new artwork with a photo of me on it and like immediately
downloads took off. Show started growing. People just felt more connected to the message because they
felt more connected to me. We were talking before the show started about talking about the difference
between 20s and 30s and the things that you've learned, maybe even what we've learned, what
were some of like looking back and I may have touched on this topic, what are what were some of the
bigger changes that you've noticed have had positive impact? In my 20s, I was the most risk-averse
person. I spent so much time in jobs and relationships and environments, again, that felt really
comfortable that I felt like it was really steady. I knew what I was going to get, but I was
absolutely miserable. But the idea of leaving it felt really scary because I thought, well, I could
be happier, but I don't know if I will versus if I stay in this. I know exactly how it feels.
even if I hate it. And in my 30s, probably the biggest change I've made is being willing to
step into things that are unknown. And I used to feel like, okay, if I don't know if this is going to
work out perfectly, I can't do it. Versus now that I'm older, I'm like, I don't know if it's
going to work out, but I trust myself enough to know that I'll figure it out, even if it doesn't work
out. Well, the crazy thing is, it's funny, like now being married, having kids, having responsibilities.
Like, I look back in my 20s, I'm like, man, we should have taken even more risks.
If young people don't realize, like you don't have any real responsibilities in your 20s other
than taking care of your own bills.
But, you know, worst case scenario,
moving with a couple roommates or back with mom and dad
if you're lucky enough or like, you know,
you can one bedroom or small studio.
Like, you can do those things.
When you have later in life,
when you have wife and kids and family and company,
whatever, you can't do all that.
So I always say to young people, like,
the more risky things you can do, the younger, the better.
Because you're going to be, like,
I am now more risk-averse as I've gotten older.
Does it make sense?
Mm-hmm.
Definitely.
I think too, there's something that I've noticed as I've gotten older is people are addicted to certainty.
Yes.
And it's really interesting to watch.
Like if you look at a thread, all the people that we've interviewed, there is people love certainty.
But if you really look at it, do you really want your life to be exactly what you think it will be?
I mean, I want my life to exceed my expectations and be interesting and understand.
And I think I think that you're right in your 20s.
You're like obsessed with knowing what's going to happen.
You want control over that.
What are some other things that you've seen be such differences?
I think moving was a really big one.
So I'm from Seattle.
That's where I lived the first 30 years of my life.
I'd never really left my hometown before.
And I was miserable there.
And it's a beautiful place.
It's like a great place.
Weather's a little tough.
Weather is a little tough.
Weather is, woo!
Yeah.
A little dreary at times.
It doesn't number on.
the mental health, but I knew from a pretty young age that I felt really dissatisfied there,
that it didn't feel like a place I could grow. And I just stayed because I knew what to expect.
And I moved to L.A. at 30. And even just that act of moving to a different city, even though I didn't
ultimately stay in L.A. did wonders because it forced me again out of that comfort zone to do different
things and to grow up a bit. Are you specific about the way you wake up and go to bed every single day?
Hyper-specific. Oh, get into it. This is the podcast, Michael. Settle in. Yes. Okay, so I would say my mornings
are probably my most sacred time. I got super into morning routines pretty early on. Honestly,
when I was probably like middle school, I was waking up at like five in the morning just to have
my quiet time before school. And so I've always just really loved a really sacred morning. So for me,
these days, what my morning looks like, wake up. First thing I immediately have to do is put on workout
clothes because that's half the battle. So if I'm always just really loved a really sacred morning. So if I'm,
put on workout clothes immediately as soon as my feet touch the ground then I know that I will get a
workout in then I do kind of the typical things the tongue scrape the water the vitamins I will spend a
a bit of time reading I always have two books going at a time I'm always reading a nonfiction book for
like learning in the morning and then fiction at night what are you reading right now in the morning for
my nonfiction I'm reading a book called for the culture by marcus Collins it's all about brand building
and how we build brands around culture it's really interesting and then my
My fiction book, it's called Yellowface, I forget the author's name, Wild Book.
That book is a little out of my genre.
Why?
What's the genre?
It is like, normally I'm a romance girl.
I love a good, like, romance happy ending.
This book is like, I don't even know.
It's wild.
I mean, read it.
It's different.
It's really interesting.
It's kind of a thriller, but different.
So in the mornings I'll read.
I will meditate.
I will do a bit of journaling.
And I have a form of journaling called best case scenario journaling that I like to do each morning.
Tell us about that.
So it's where I will write out either how I want the day to go, assuming all best case scenarios, or if there's something that I'm worried about that's stressing me out that's on my mind, I will write out what I think the best case scenario of that situation is.
And I'll do that in detail.
So like, let's say I have a day where I'm doing a bunch of back-to-back podcast recordings and maybe I feel nervous about it.
I will write out in detail exactly how I want it to go.
Like, me and this guest vibe so well.
I get them to admit things they've never admitted on air before.
The audience loves this episode.
Like I will write out what I want all of the outcomes to be for the day ahead.
And it just kind of, I think, rewires my brain to look more for the positive in things.
Because I think we tend to always be prepared for the worst case scenario, which is fine.
Like, yes, be prepared.
But also, like, be prepared for the good things, too.
Because most of the time you have a 50-50 shot of things working out.
And we never look at that.
Isn't it funny how, first, when you open your eyes, your brain immediately wants to go to what's wrong?
Exactly.
It's like you really do have to train your brain.
So go on with your morning.
Yeah.
So I'll do my best case scenario journaling.
I recently, I know you've been on this for a while, Lauren.
I recently got an acupressure mat.
I don't know what took me so long.
They're good.
But I love it.
So now I will lay on that and I'll do my morning meditation for like 10 minutes.
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If you have kids, they step on it and they're like,
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You know what though?
I got to be honest.
I get, listen, I love looking for the possibility and I think you have to and I love what you're doing because you have to, you have to be able to envision, you know, something that's maybe not or that you don't believe is possible and see that it is possible.
Yeah.
But I also like Lauren gets so flustered about like, don't get on your phone in the morning and don't look for the negative.
Sometimes I like to look for the negative because when I look at the negative, I can just say, okay, if the negative happens, this is like what I will do to get out of it.
And I think a lot of people, they fear the negative so much that they never look at it.
And then when it happens, they're shocked.
It's like the same people, they never check their bank accounts or never look at their credit cards because they're scared of what they're going to see.
And I think sometimes when you face the bad stuff and you're like, okay, that's the worst thing that can happen.
Then it also opens up the other possibilities of looking for the good things in those bad things.
Does that make sense?
It does.
Yeah.
I think a big part of that is learning how to trust yourself.
And I think that's why a lot of people get afraid to look at the hard stuff because they're
just feel like they don't know what to do.
Versus if you look at the hard stuff,
that's when you can make a plan to make it better
or to solve the problem.
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I was just working with a friend of mine who I'm helping him with some personal finance
stuff.
And I was like, the first part of this is we're going to look at everything.
All the debt, all the spending.
We're going to get really honest.
And it was like debilitating for him.
And I was like, well, until you like face all of this, I can't help you.
because, like, you know there's an issue there.
Right.
And you know it's not productive.
And you know it's stressful.
But until we fully face it, understand it, there's no way to work from.
There's no place to work from.
You know what I mean?
Oh, yeah.
And so when he did that now, he's like, there's a full plan in place, not to mention
a full behavioral change of, like, things you spend and don't spend.
But I just notice, like, sometimes people stay in a place of despair because they'd rather
not face the thing and they just want to think, like, positively.
Whenever someone tells me like, oh, I just think positive, like, you can't, it's
like me running a company when something's going into the ground.
I'm like, well, we're just all going to think positive. It's like, that's part of it. But you also have to face the problem.
You do. You have to, you have to, I think it's about being solutions oriented, right? And you can't have a solution without understanding the problem. Even with your finance example, I had a really similar experience where I had a lot of student loans coming out of undergrad. And I paid them all off. And people asked me like, oh, did you have a really detailed debt repay off plan? What was your plan? I was like, I had no plan. I was just checking my accounts constantly. Any extra money I had constantly went towards debt for years until it was.
gone. Like it wasn't a detailed thing. It was creating solutions to that problem. You spoke a lot
about that. What was the response like? It was a mixed response. I mean, I think a lot of people felt
really encouraged because they felt like if I could do that, then they could do it too, which is
ultimately why I wanted to share that story. I think also it triggered some people. At the time,
I was dating this guy and he was actually kind of a dick about it. I mean, that's why we're no longer
dating because he was such a hater. Because he was jealous. But you paid off your debt? Yeah, because he's
still had a lot and he wasn't doing the things. Let me tell you something. Next time you need to DM me,
any guy that's jealous. She got rid of him. Yeah, good. We're not dating anymore. That is not okay.
He's jealous of you that you paid your debt off. He should be like so happy for you. He should be
popping the champagne getting the caviar ready. Yeah, but there's two kinds of people. There's people that
look at something that someone's doing that's positive and say, hey, I want to do that too. And there's the
other people that it's a reflection on themselves and they say, well, easy for you or like, that's not for me.
And, you know, and they get defeated by it.
And I think, like, you get to, like, fortunately, you get to decide which kind of person you want to be.
You know what I mean?
Did you kick him to the curb after that?
I did.
So it was like, you saw the red flag.
He's been to the curb.
Yeah.
Yeah, because guess what that?
I feel like that's telling you for the future when you continue to succeed, which you obviously are just going to continue to achieve.
You're an achiever.
I can tell he's going to be jealous because he's projecting his insecurity onto you.
Oh, yeah.
And I think that's a problem for a lot of girls.
Like, their biggest op is the guy.
Is that what you're seeing when you're seeing when you.
talk to women? I've definitely seen it quite a bit. Yeah, where like the guys that they're with
are not celebrating their accomplishments with them or any time they have a big moment, somehow magically
someone steps in and like ruins it in some way. It's messed up. That's interesting that you say
that. We just had the Stallone sisters on the podcast and they were saying some similar things that
it's slim pickings out there. Indeed, I've experienced it. It's interesting for me to talk to the women
in this company and that come on this show
because obviously I'm surrounded by a lot of you
women and a lot of you are obviously accomplished
which is why we're all working together.
And this is like a common theme that comes up. I think what it
is is
for men that see
women having the success that you guys have
at a large scale, if they're not on that
same level, it's a bit of a dynamic switch.
And especially if you grew up in a more,
it's not proper anymore, it's a traditional household
whether the father was the breadwinner
and the mother was maybe
not. I think a lot of men have a challenge with that dynamic. Right? It's like they just haven't
made the switch in their head that really like, if it was me, I always say like, I would love to
sit back and just kind of like kick my feet up and Lauren can just take care of everything,
you know? Like really? Yeah. I mean, they can't do that. But it's like, I'm like, cool, like,
better for me. But I can see a lot of guys like they don't like maybe it's like an affront on their
masculinity or something. Yeah. And I like use that as motivation. I'm like, why isn't that not
motivating you to do better then if you feel it.
about it. I feel like since that you have made an intentional effort to get that out of your way,
you won't attract that in the future. Does that make sense? Agreed. Well, now I know what to look for,
too. I know what the signs are. I believe that like, this is maybe like woo-woo, but you're vibrating
at a certain frequency now because you know that, that you won't even let that into your ether.
But listen, I'm just a finance nerd. I think man, woman, child, whatever, like anyone that's mad about
you paying off your debt. That's immediate red flag.
I think it's nice to have two people pushing the boulder up the hell.
If I'm, if it gets nice for me.
I have to keep pushing along side.
Push it up.
Keep pushing it up.
Even if I'm a billionaire, I'd still like you to do some work.
Work can come in different aspects.
You know what I mean?
I'm not like, oh, I'll go change all the diapers.
You don't have to do anything.
Maybe you can put like one of those big backpacks on your back and I can sit in.
You can carry me around.
No, no, no.
I need you to put some elbow grease into it.
He's in my legs even.
Just carry me everywhere.
What are some wellness hacks that you have seen because you are so on the pulse with wellness
that you think are going to be huge?
Okay.
So we all obviously know that everybody's about protein right now.
And I know you've talked a lot about this, which love all about the protein.
Keon chocolate protein in here.
Yes.
Love some keon.
I'm usually sipping on it when I work out.
I do think that next fiber is going to have a similar moment the way protein is right now.
And I think it's kind of starting, which also, if people are eating this much protein,
like they need some fiber in their life.
lives for like a healthy gut, but I do think like 2025, fiber is going to have the moment that
protein is having right now.
Maybe you need to make your own fiber powder.
Ooh.
That's the first person that's come on the podcast in a while and talked about fiber.
Yeah.
Because fiber makes the protein evacuate.
Yeah, it does.
I mean, we need it for digestion.
Yeah.
It's important.
I think like the big thing is like if you're not having, you know, we're just talking like proper
bowel movements.
Yeah.
That's an indication right away.
How are your bowel movements?
Great.
Easy.
Perfect.
clean.
I don't want to know.
I've never, ever, ever in my entire life,
seen anything, and I've known him since I was 12 years old.
People think it's so crazy.
He's never, like, we don't share that part.
I mean, there could be some things that you keep, like,
yeah, I'm not, like, to be honest, I don't get these,
and listen, this is going to trigger some couples.
I don't really get these couples that want to, like,
take shits in front of each other.
Like, that doesn't seem very sexy to me.
I have a friend that just leaves the door open,
and they talk the whole time.
By the way, that if that works for you, whatever.
Yeah.
No, but it does. It's nice to have like a little privacy.
I mean, is it really working for you? Do you like, do you do that? And then you're like,
let's, I'll see you tonight in the bedroom, honey. I don't know.
Maybe with all this fiber that you say is going to be happening, maybe. You may not have a choice.
Call me immature. I want to pretend that never happens. So I don't even want to think about it.
Yeah. I will say even more specifically about fiber, though. And I've started to see this pickup.
I also think the girls are going to get very into eating kiwis a lot. Like I've also been doing this too.
Like a kiwi a day, I think it's going to like replace a lot of people's gut health supplements.
That's my next prediction.
He does eat Kiwis.
Really?
Yeah.
Kiwis are one of the best sources of vitamins.
You know what though? You were eating it every day and I've noticed a lull in the kiwi and today I noticed
that you had gained a couple LBs.
So I'm going to correlate that with the fact that you're bloated and you need some Kiwi.
A little bit of a Kiwi gut thing going on.
Talk to us about investing time, money, and energy into becoming a better version of yourself.
Oh my gosh.
Yes.
This has been my favorite topic.
Please.
Because I've, I mean, I always have some sort of.
like theme of my year. In 2020, that was when I was investing really heavily into like fixing my
finances, being ready to do content full time. So that was when I paid off my student loans,
up my savings, all that. 2023 was when I invested more in my business and in my content itself.
And then for 2024, I said, okay, this year I'm going to invest in myself and start like really
putting more into myself after I was so frugal and like worked so hard for so long. So for me,
it's just been more of like becoming the version of myself that I feel like I feel like
I've always been. Like I've always done so much work on the inside, whether that's like working out, therapy, journaling, all those things. And I felt like the outside wasn't really matching what was going on on the inside. Like I was neglecting my looks and like not doing the things. It's hard to believe that because you show up today. You look so beautiful. Your skin's glowing. Your hair is long and luscious. What do you mean? I mean, I feel like I just, I kind of ignored my outsides. Like I was living in workout clothes. I was super kind of frumpy for a long time. Did you invest in like a new wardrobe?
Yeah, like up to my style.
And it was not even necessarily that I've like bought a lot of new clothes,
but I've actually practiced like understanding my style,
understanding my body type,
putting time into actually putting myself together every day
instead of just living in workout clothes 24-7,
learning how to do my hair,
taking better care of my skin,
getting invisaline to like straighten my teeth.
You have a beautiful smile.
Thank you.
It's one of the most beautiful smiles I've ever seen.
Oh my God.
I'm very picky about this.
Look at how pretty her.
smile is it's so wide, it's so white, it's beautiful. Thank you. Again, look at people,
appearance is important. It is. It's a reflection of yourself. It's a reflection of like, do you take
yourself seriously? Are you? There was this almost a revolt in the office one time because I came in. I said,
no, no sweat outfits in the office. I don't need a bunch of men and women lounging around my office
in sweatsuits. Like, I was like, no. And people got upset about it. Like, what we want to, like, if you
don't want people to walk into this office, any dear meat office and see a bunch of people slopping around
sweat outfits. Call me like, I don't know, vain, but that's just not, I don't want to do it. I want
people to think like, okay, I want, like there's been some thought put into the way that we present
ourselves and that, you know, there's a high standard that we hold ourselves to. And I think
business or in dating or in personal life, it's like when you see somebody that is like,
you know, it doesn't have to be super expensive, but when they put themselves together, it reflects
something, right? It says something. And I think it's important. And, you know, one of my biggest
qualms, I go through the airports these days with Lauren. I'm like, why does everyone look like
shit. Like, why can't people get dressed up anymore? Like, I say it all the time. You go to Vegas.
Like, why is nobody in the jacket? Like, I think it's important to present yourself well, right?
It just, it just is. Like, people can get mad about that. But like, you have people like me walking around
making decisions, be like, nope, wouldn't do something with that. They're in a sweatsuit. No way.
Like, it's just a truth. It is the truth. And I think it's, it's, we live in a visual, you know,
a lot of people are very visual in a lot of ways. That's how they make business decisions. That's how they
determine how they're going to take people seriously or not. And people don't have to do anything.
If people still want to dress how they want to dress, present how they want to present, they can,
but just understand what some of the repercussions of that may be and move accordingly. And I
realized that not putting effort into my appearance was hindering me in a lot of ways.
Well, look at it. I mean, like, even from an employer standpoint, like, I don't even
know if this is HR compliant. I honestly don't care. If somebody showed up to a job interview with me
and they went like some sweat outfit and then put themselves together, I wouldn't even think about
what they were saying. I just couldn't get past that point. Like,
I wouldn't even be like what are the qualifications. What are the school? Like what is you what do you have to? I wouldn't even get past the visual part of it. I would say I am lost in what this presentation is. It's not up to the standard. You're not hired. Well, it can communicate things about. Yeah. Well, that's because it can communicate things about like, okay, well, how detail oriented are they? Or if they're not willing to put effort into themselves, are they going to put effort into this job? Are they, you know, it's a lot. I had to have hard conversations with myself about it to like motivate myself. No, I was with this guy. One of my friends said,
day and he was going to go on this date with this girl and he showed up and he was like in like a
just no effort and I was like this is not going to go well for you man like this girl's going to look
at you and say you put no effort into like I would imagine a woman wants to say like hey this guy really
like put some effort into the appearance because he wants to wow me like that shows it's attractive
you can't be doing pig pen yeah you can't be showing up like hey I don't really give a fucking like let's
see what happens like that's not exciting I like the self-awareness though that you have and I mean
today you look amazing thank you I feel everyone needs to go watch
the YouTube. And again, it doesn't have to be some expensive. It just has to indicate that you're
trying. Does that make sense? Yeah. And that was even, so in September, I did a challenge with
myself where I challenged myself to get dressed for 30 days, only wearing workout clothes when I'm
working out. And I didn't spend a whole bunch of money on new clothes. I used clothes that I already
had, but I just took the time each morning to put things together and make different combinations
of things. Like my audience really loved it. It inspired a lot of people to get dressed. I didn't
have to spend any money. I just had to try. But you know,
like a common question on this podcast for years has been like where does confidence come from and
there's a million answers to that but I feel personally when you put that kind of effort into
just getting prepared and getting ready in the morning like it automatically ups the confidence
by a few points just the fact that you've like kind of got yourself you know what I mean like when you
walk and like okay I've put in the effort and you're like I'm feeling myself I look good like it
automatically kind of puts you in a mindset it was like okay I'm a little bit more confident today than I was
before.
You know?
Adam, all of the DMs you get and questions you get from your audience, what is the most common?
Ooh, I would say probably the most common DM is how do I maintain my hair while working out?
Oh, I don't wash my hair.
Do you?
Not super often.
Yeah.
No.
You can tell you don't wash the hair.
Because if you have thick, like, yeah, voluminous hair.
Yeah.
No one wants to hear it though.
I know.
They just want to tell what's the code.
What's your code?
I have a code.
I know.
So for me, I'm all about always wearing a headband when I work out to wick up any sweat.
I use a lot of dry shampoo.
And I just sometimes I just let it frizz.
I mean, I'm not going to let like not wanting to mess up my hair be the reason why I don't work out.
I think it just adds more volume and I let it.
Also, when you're lifting weights and maybe everyone else is different, but I feel when I'm lifting weights, you're not like in a Barry's boot camp, dripping sweat.
It's not the same kind of.
of situation. Right. So it's not like I leave the workout like with sweat all over my hair.
I am not a big fan of washing hair at all. But don't you feel like also when you...
You don't wash your hair? I do, but not much. But as you change your diet and you get more
collagen and your diet and you your hair starts to just get better. A lot of people have been
neglecting that they focus so much on like the product and the treatment. But it's like the diet is a
huge part of it. It is. What is your diet like?
My diet, it's kind of like all things in moderation, honestly.
I mean, I try to have some sort of like protein and fiber with every meal is usually like my goal, but I don't really restrict a lot.
I try not to overdo it on sugar because it just makes me tired and I don't have time to be tired.
But yeah, that's about it.
And how do you run your day?
What are your tips and tricks for running your schedule, your calendar?
Is there a method to your madness, do time batch?
I do.
So I have different days of the week where I focus on different things.
So like Mondays are podcast days.
That's when I'm working on ads.
That's when I'm doing research.
That's when I'm recording.
Don't talk to me about anything related to podcasts if it's not a Monday.
Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursdays.
Those are usually either my social media days, my community management days or like days where I'm working on projects.
And then Fridays are admin and like personal time.
So that's how I always structure my week.
For the day to day, I'm a big planner girly.
And I'm also a big calendar girl.
So like everything goes in the planner.
Everything goes in the calendar with full details.
of where I need to be in when.
If it's not in either of those places, it is not happening.
How did you get so organized with this?
Was there a book or a tool that you've used?
Have you always been like this?
No, I mean, I think it's kind of the opposite.
Like, I'm not naturally.
And so I think I had to develop a lot of mechanisms to keep myself on track.
And I also think I've always been kind of like a self-motivated person.
Like, I was never really a kid that my parents had to tell me to do my homework or how to do this or how to do that.
But I always knew that I really wanted to be successful and that being left up to
my own devices wasn't going to work. And so a lot of it was just trial and error and like learning
how to keep myself on track. You're very self-aware. Not everyone has that quality. Yeah. I mean,
you're very our self-aware throughout the whole conversation. Thank you. What is something that you
would tell someone who's listening who doesn't know where to start when it comes to wellness? Yeah. I mean,
I think I think it's important to follow how you feel. Like as I mentioned at the beginning of the episode,
when I talked about what started my wellness journey,
it was like I was exhausted every day.
And I wasn't, like, I couldn't do that and do my job.
So I was going in search of energy to feel better.
So understanding where are you at right now and what's actually going to make you feel better?
Is it, are you looking for energy like I was?
Do you want to feel more confident in your body?
Do you want to feel stronger?
Do you have something going on with your health?
Like, what is that why for you?
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from your job to full-time creator? Oh, it was a long time. It was about almost 10 years.
And were you doing, were you working and creating on the side? I was. Yeah, I started creating
content in 2014 and I went full-time in 2023. It was a long time. Yeah, that's a long time.
But the reason I ask is, I think people will look at where you're at, here.
some of the things you're talking about not like paying off your loans and being able to self-sustain
your own business and your own brand. And it's like, you know, I think people that listen to
our show and jump in or it's never like this overnight thing. And that's why I wanted you to talk about.
So when you were early days, what did it look like when you were managing, you know, a full-time job
and doing this like what was the hours? Yeah, it was rough. It was where I was really grateful
for my morning habits. But what I used to do is I used to create a work day for myself,
for my content in the business before I would go to work each day. So I would like wake up super early
in the morning, do my morning routine, like work out. And then I would get home by around 7 a.m.
And I would work on my stuff from, let's say, like, seven to nine before working at nine.
I was also really grateful to work remotely. So I didn't necessarily have a commute at that time.
So it was doing a lot of that in the mornings because I felt like I wanted to dedicate my energy
to my business and what I really cared about before like my employer. It was just a mental thing for me.
like my stuff comes first.
And I was willing to, yeah, like wake up early to do it as well as just a lot of nights,
a lot of weekends, not a lot of social time.
No, I think a lot of people don't talk about the sacrifices that come in the beginning.
There's not birthday parties all the time and Friday nights out and late nights.
It's like you really have to sacrifice things.
And whether that's friendships, whatever it is, there comes with a lot of sacrifice.
I mean, even doing this show now, I mean, we've been doing it close to a decade.
And somebody came on the show.
other day and was like, oh, like some people say you're not relatable. And I said, well, maybe people
that are here now a decade later. But they forget, like, when Lauren first started, she was
teaching Pure Bar and going to school and bartending and then doing the blog on the side. And even when
we started this show, we were both working completely different companies and jobs and commuting back
and forth from San Diego to L.A. and basically doing this show for free. Like, that's, and I, I think back on
those times very fondly, because it was just like her and I hoping that one day this would work out.
but I wish more creators and entrepreneurs would talk about that because I think a lot of people now look to you and Lauren and maybe even in some cases myself and like they aspire but they forget that there's all of this messy part in the beginning when you're just struggling and nobody's paying attention and nobody's listening or watching and there's work that's taking place on the weekends and after hours and after other jobs because you're trying to support yourself with other things and I just think it's important because like what I don't want is for people to tune in and get overwhelmed and be like I could never do that.
I want people to say like, okay, these are the things I need to do if I want to do that and recognize
it is not easy.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I think sometimes people get a little too hung up on this idea of relatability or what they
define as relatable.
When I think someone is relatable, I think they're relatable because of their personality, because
of who they are.
No two people have the exact same lived circumstance.
So I can't look at anybody and say, oh, I can fully relate to every part of their day because
they're living a different life.
And so if that's what we're looking for, we're not going to relate to anybody.
Right. All right. And people who are trying to be relatable is not relatable. Yeah. It's also often like really inauthentic because they're trying too hard to be something they're not. And right. I was with this, I was with a reporter this weekend and she was asking me this question. And I was like, listen, I just, the only responsibility that I feel as somebody who does this kind of thing publicly is to authentically tell my truth and to say it how I see it and how I feel.
it and people are going to take from that what they want. But this whole idea that I have to
like curate an experience to make somebody else that's either listening or watching comfortable
is very strange to me. It's like I just want to tell you what I'm doing, what I'm not doing,
what's working, what's not working, what I believe, what I don't believe. I think people are
smart enough to then come to their own conclusions and make their own judgment. But the idea that
I have to kind of like weave in and out and make sure that everybody's personality jives with
mind and that everybody's comfortable and happy with everything I say is absolutely insane to me.
And I said it to her like that. I'm like, that's the only response.
I feel as somebody with a platform.
I think a lot of it's age related too, because I think in the earlier days of social media,
it was kind of only people like our age on social media versus now there's multiple
generations.
So you'll have people who are in their teens or early 20s comparing themselves to like people
our age.
And it's like, well, I've had a decade of adulthood on you to figure certain things out.
So if you haven't done what I've done yet, it's okay.
If you're 22 and you haven't done that yet, like you have time.
100%.
Yeah.
I mean.
I think about this all the time.
In the early days of social,
it was kind of like your best life all the time,
but like everybody was kind of doing the same thing.
And then somewhere along the line,
it's like,
well,
now we got to show like every aspect of life.
And I think now there's even a pullback
to say like,
how much do I want to show of my life?
There's like this whole big shift going on.
But I imagine that is very confusing
to younger generations
who have always grown up with this.
Like where we were lucky enough,
we were at the same age,
this didn't exist when we were coming up.
So you kind of got to form your perspective and your ideas
just on the world that was around you.
Right.
Now it's confusing because everybody has to like watch all these things
and you can't tell like why is somebody so far ahead.
There's no context of how they got there.
I think you have to be intentional about what you share.
Like you have to really be thoughtful nowadays of what what you share.
Like for me it goes through a funnel.
I'm not going to show my child being potty trained or their first steps.
Like I'm not, I just, I'm not going to pull out my camera and show.
that to a bunch of people that don't know my kids. It just feels invasive. And whatever your thing is,
it doesn't have to be my thing. I think that having a funnel of what your content sort of goes
through is important. I don't think everyone needs to see every single facet of it. For sure. Yeah.
With social media, I like to think about going deep, but not wide. So like there are certain things
that I'm willing to talk about wellness. I'll talk about all day long and I'll go down to the deepest detail.
but maybe details about what's going on with my family, that's just like off the table.
And I'm not going into that at all.
And I think sometimes like when you do that, you have those things that you're willing to go deep with.
People actually don't notice what you're not sharing because you're sharing so much about what you do consent to sharing.
Yeah.
Well, the biggest problem with people that create content online and I guess we would fall into that bucket is some creators feel the need to have a comment or perspective on everything.
even things that they really have no business having a comment or perspective on, right?
Like, I look at it the same way as, you know, if say you're getting a surgery, like, I'm not going to jump in from the side and be like, hey, Doc, I think you should use that scalpel.
And so that's what people do online.
It's like sometimes you just got to say, hey, this isn't my lane.
Maybe I shouldn't have a comment.
If you have really, if you really do feel passionate, you have something to say maybe fine.
But I think that's the problem with the internet is that everybody at all times is like, well, what's your purpose?
perspective on all of this. It's like, well, sometimes maybe I don't want to enter the conversation
and maybe I don't have a perspective that I want to share. You know what I mean? But it's like you feel
like because you have a platform, you have an obligation to share everything. And I think it's like
actually the opposite. You have an obligation to share things that you can be thoughtful about and where you
can actually drive a real impact, not just like parroting the same thing that everybody else says.
I have rapid fire beauty questions. First, we didn't hear your nighttime routine. So go back. So
I put a pen in that. Okay, perfect. Yes. Okay. Love my nighttime routine. My nighttime routine.
My nighttime routine, it kind of mirrors my morning routine in a lot of ways.
Okay. So I'm a hatch alarm, girly. Love my hatch. The best. Because who wants to be
woken up by that cortisol-inducing. I hate it. The phone. No thanks. No. So it goes off at 9 p.m. every night to tell me to start
getting ready for bed. So these days, what that looks like for me is tidying up around my apartment
because I notice that I don't wake up on time in the morning if my space is messy. So I do a quick sweep through,
tidy up the place so that I can wake up to a clean place. I will get back on my acupressure mat this time for
like a little bit longer so that I feel a little bit more relaxed, change into my pajamas and then get in bed
and then it's like Kindle time. It's don't call me, don't text me. It's Kindle until I fall asleep.
And that's usually when I'm doing my my fiction reading. I love to end with a Kendall. I love that.
What's your favorite skincare hack? Oh, my favorite skincare hack. I really love my new face.
I would say the microcurrent because I just tend to have a really puffy.
face and so it's a good one. I just used that the other day. That works great. Yeah. Tell us your
non-negotiable in your wellness routine. Non-negotiable in my wellness routine movement,
whether that's walking, working out, have to do it. A.m. skincare routine? Yes. So in the mornings,
let's see. Before I go to the gym, I will do a mini skincare routine where I just spray my face
with hypochloris acid and then I'll do sunscreen before going to the gym. Do you use active skin
repair? I don't, should I? That's the, that's the brand. Isn't it? It's one of them. I use,
I have like the tower 28.
I didn't know there's another one.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
There's a bunch of them out there.
But it's the same ingredient.
The same thing.
Yeah.
So that's pre-gim.
Post-jim, I'll do a longer skincare routine.
That's when I'll use my new face.
I'll cleanse.
I will use like vitamin C serum.
I'm using right now the skin suiticles.
I think it's like the Ptiox.
It's supposed to be like Botox in a bottle.
Love, love, love.
See, I know the stuff.
Yeah.
He uses it.
I like you don't even act like you don't know.
I can use a little more of it, to be honest.
Don't act like you don't know.
I've really liked it.
And then always sunscreen.
I've been wearing sunscreen religiously since like middle school.
And I'm so grateful.
You can tell.
It's been a good one.
It's been a good one.
It's been a good one.
It's been a good one.
So I will usually do a cleansing bomb.
Right now I'm using the Elimis cleansing bomb to take off my makeup.
It's a good one.
So I will double cleanse, do that.
And then I will do just like a regular cleanser to take off my makeup.
About three days a week, I'll do retinal night.
So then I'll actually do retinal all over.
So I'll do retinal on my face.
And then I'll also use a retinal body lotion that day.
days where I'm not doing retinol, I'll do, I've been using this serum called Lion Pose. Is that what, it's
lion something? I think it's Lion Pose. It's like an AHA, BHA exfoliant and then moisturizer.
One product you never leave the house without. Never leave the house without. Ooh, some sort of lip
product, whether that's a bomb, whether that's a gloss or a lip oil. What's the brand? I really love
the Ami-Colay lip oil. They have one in, it's brown. I want to say the shade is called excellence. It's so cute.
Last question. Don't know if we told you, but we want to know what's in your bag. Oh, yes. Okay. Let me show you my bag. Let it rip.
I have lots of fun stuff. I've been traveling. Okay, you got like a Mary Poppins bag. I do. I have a lot. Okay. First thing, most important, heatless curlers.
Do those work? They do. That's what I used on my hair today. And I leave them in until I'm ready. Michael, don't get any ideas. Michael come out looking like fucking George Washington. I have two lip glosses right now. This is the Mabelene Superstay and Nick's butter gloss.
Amazing. I have very on brand, my Kindle.
Love. Which one's a big reader?
This is the Kandel paperweight. Oh, that's a paperweight.
I thought it was the Oasis. Do I need the paperweight?
I love the paper white. I don't have that one. It's good. Hand cream. Okay. Always.
And then another one that I love old school Listerine strips. Okay. Always.
You'll love those Listerine strips. They are because I don't like gum, you know. I don't like stuff like that. I can't see. So I have my glasses.
Okay.
because I'm literally blind.
What else do I have in here that's not boring and work-related?
I do like having a little compact mirror.
We like work-related.
Yeah, pull it out.
Cool.
Perfect.
Compact, let's see what else.
I have a giant notebook because I'm always writing things down.
So I'll use this for like work, brain dumps, ideas.
What else do I have in here?
Oh, this which I love.
So this is, because I'm traveling, this is a beanie that is satin-lined.
so I'll wear this on my hair while I'm traveling so it doesn't get frizzy.
That's smart.
Always, always have that.
Oh, God, you're going to be all, you're going to be in one of those things.
Beanie, I was wearing mouth tape on the plane the other day.
I don't give a fuck.
Yeah, absolutely.
And then I have, I'm also like a tooth person.
So I have just like a little oral health kit.
So I have like my Envisaline.
I have a toothbrush.
I have a tongue scraper.
You don't have a little health kit that you travel.
I also don't have a Mary Poppins bag that I run around with you.
You should get one.
So that's what's in my back.
I just carried a toothbrush.
my jacket pocket. I was like, this is my... Les. Thank you for coming on the show. Tell us where we can
go listen to your podcast. What can we expect? It's on dear media. Yes. Tell us where we can find you
find you on Instagram. Absolutely. Thank you so much for having me. So new episodes of
Balance Black Girl come out every Tuesday, wherever you get your podcasts and on YouTube, a fun mix
of solo episodes as well as interviews. And then you can find me on Instagram and TikTok at Balance Less.
Thank you for coming on. Thank you for making the trip. Thank you for doing this. Thank you for having me.
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