The Bossticks - How Your Air Quality Could Be Harming You & How To Cleanse It Ft. Mike Feldstein, CEO Of Jaspr

Episode Date: May 24, 2024

#704:  Today we're sitting down with Mike Feldstein, founder & CEO of Jaspr, an air science & technology company. He is an unconventional entrepreneur who sees challenges as opportunities and who is constantly finding solutions to problems others see as insurmountable. Jaspr, Feldstein's latest venture, is the culmination of Mike's diverse background in air quality, disaster restoration, and entrepreneurship and it is his mission to protect air quality and improve human health through innovative products and education. Today he joins us for a conversation on air quality, what we should know about the air in our homes, and how we can heal ourselves of the symptoms of bad air quality.    To connect with Jaspr click HERE    To connect with Mike Feldstein click HERE   To connect with Lauryn Bosstick click HERE To connect with Michael Bosstick click HERE Read More on The Skinny Confidential HERE To Watch the Show click HERE For Detailed Show Notes visit TSCPODCAST.COM To Call the Him & Her Hotline call: 1-833-SKINNYS (754-6697) This episode is brought to you by The Skinny Confidential   This episode is brought to you by Jaspr   Visit jaspr.co and use code SKINNY for $200 off if you buy before May 31st, 2024 and $100 off after May 31st, 2024. Free returns on your purchase if you're not happy in the first 2 months after you buy.   Produced by Dear Media

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If you think about this, if you go outside most days and you ask five people to guess what temperature it is, you're all going to guess. No one's going to say 90 and the other person says 60. Because you literally have temperature sensors built into your skin. You know if we go into a rainforest, it feels very humid. If we go into a dry sauna or the desert, it feels very dry. When someone says it's stuffy or I just need fresh air, that just means the CO2 is really high, which means the oxygen is not great. There's been a million studies, whether it's the performance of chess players,

SAT scores. The list goes on, like human performance goes way down when the air quality is poor. This episode is wild. You are going to learn about air and how important the quality of your air is. I learned so many things that I was not aware of when it came to air quality. I picked up so many tips and takeaways that I could apply to my own life. We all obviously breathe air. We want to be breathing the best air.

I became fascinated with the subject of air after we had Ryan from Test My Home on our podcast. he talked about all the toxins and molds and EMFs in our house. And one of the main things that he focused on was the quality of air. We had the founder and CEO of Jasper, Mike Feldstein on the podcast. So he's going to talk to us all about how to improve and protect our air quality. Every single person on the planet needs to listen to this. He also gave you guys a code at the end. On that note, Mike of Jasper, welcome to the Him and Her show.

This is the Skinny Confidential, Him and Her. Mike, welcome to the show. I was introduced to you by someone who lends huge credibility to your product. So Ryan from Test My Home came to our house and he spent the entire day testing our entire house. It was like two days. Yeah, it was a long time for mold, EMF, air quality, all the things. And one of the things and the feedback that he said to me is, I need. needed to get a Jasper air filter immediately. And he hooked me up with one and I've like never looked back. It's the best air filter on the planet. But it's also so beautiful. I think of it like

almost a piece of furniture. So let's this episode I really want to get into air and air quality. But I would love a little bit of context of how you even got into knowing so much about air. Before this whole air quality, Jasper phase of my life, I was actually in the disaster chasing business. So floods, fires, hurricanes, hailstorms, natural disasters. So I was the guy who would, California is on fire. Houston has a hurricane, things like this. I would fly to natural disasters and then rebuild and restore and clean homes after like the biggest catastrophe. So we weren't like that regular like mold removal company that you call when there's like a sink leak. We were the guys who would go to like catastrophic events.

So that was what I was doing in my 20s, which was a perfect way to spend my 20s. And we got to see, so Fort McMurray is a place in Alberta, Canada. And they had the biggest fire in Canadian history in 2016. And I'm talking like bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, like 3,000, 4,000 homes burnt. But what people don't realize,

it's not just the wildfire smoke, when thousands of homes burn, every WD-40, every jar of paint, every factory, every car, when you would drive through communities, all you would see is chimney stacks, ash and chimney stacks, because that's the only thing that can withstand the fire and the extreme heat. So all 100,000 people who lived in Fort McMurray got evacuated. No one died. That's good. They were evacuated for a month. Why a month? Because literally the air quality after wildfires can stay bad for months. So after a month is when they were allowed to start

coming back in. In fact, actually a month is when we were allowed to go in to start working. Some of them stayed away a lot longer. So I was cleaning up these heavily, heavily smoke damaged homes. And most of these homes didn't see fire. They were like a mile from fire. But the entire homes were just like drenched in toxic smoke. So there was a lady named Tanya. There was many examples like this, but Tanya is the most, like when I think back to how we got into this,

she's the one that I resonate with most. She had a little baby at the time. And the baby was on a nebulizer. And we cleaned her home. We tested the air quality. So we restored her home, throw out everything, the carpets, the furniture, deep clean everything, throw out the clothes, like fully clean out the home, purify the air with big industrial air cleaning machines that look like photocopiers or subwoofers.

They're called air scrubbers. We checked the air in their house and it was good to go. So we said, hey, like green light, move back home. We tell the insurance company, you know, they can, basically they stop paying for the hotel, family moves home. Get a call a week later from Tanya. Our baby's in the hospital. Maybe can't breathe.

What do you mean babies in the hospital? We go back to Tanya's house. We check the air quality. Incredibly contaminated again. She was right. This was not in her head. We checked the air was off the charts. What I didn't know then that I do know now is because the air quality is so bad in the, so we clean the indoor air, but the outdoor air was still so bad that it just came right back in and recantaminated everything.

So we called the insurance company and we're like, hey guys, Tanya's house is completely contaminated again. What should we do? Should we reclean it? My suggested idea was, I think they should go back into a hotel for like a month or two. Let's get them back out of town. And then we'll wait till we'll clean again in two months and then we'll bring them back home. And insurance said, no way. Like they signed off.

Our check is on the way to you. They already signed off. Like, we don't clean twice. So I'm like, damn, we just got paid all this money. We cleaned this whole home. Now it's contaminated again. And baby's still in the hospital. What are we supposed to do?

So we actually just brought our big industrial air scrubbers that I was talking about before to her house. We bought three of them. And these were like $2,000 machines, very effective, but loud and ugly. So we brought them to her house. And within about two, three hours, the air quality was good again. So they moved home. And this was like a reoccurring theme. So we'd clean the home.

They'd get recontaminated, bring these big machines in. That would be enough to keep the air quality down. This kept happening. So I'm like, we can't have all of our industrial equipment out there. let's just go to Best Buy, go to Home Depot, buy like five or six, seven little air purifiers and give it to them. But we did that.

So we went and bought all the typical brands that you're used to seeing at Best Buy and Home Depot, small little air purifiers. You're asking me why we didn't make a small one. Before those exist, we bought all those little ones, put them in the house, and within an hour the air quality was bad again. So we're like, what the heck?

So the way I like to explain little air purifiers is they're like kettles trying to heat a bathtub. So kettles are awesome a heating water for a cup of tea. You can't heat your bathtub with the kettle because as you're heating up the bathtub, it's cooling down faster than you can heat it up. So this was like super eye-opening to me. And then the other one little thing that happened was a lady named Angela. Same story, basically. Her baby wasn't in the hospital, but they were really sick. We left the big machines there. I went to her house and they were off. Like Angela, why are these things off?

She's like, I know, Mike. I know, I know, I know. I'm sorry. But they're really loud and they're really ugly. She's like, I just couldn't take the noise. So this was like a big aha moment for me. So the reason I got into the Jasper journey stemmed from being in the restoration space, seeing how ineffective these little kettles were. And my entire vision was just to create a product that was good for wildfire smoke. I wasn't thinking about allergies or doctors or asthma. It was just supposed to be the world's best air purifier for wildfire smoke.

So the journey started by being the disaster restoration guy, very reactivated. not proactive, not proactive. And then I'm like, this is silly. All this work, all these millions and billions insurance companies are paying to not even get the job done. And then in the West Coast, the smoke's always there. No one even knows. So this was kind of the beginning of the air awareness, air quality journey. Before we dive super deep into the products and how you came to create the Jasper, what are basic things people aren't realizing about just their normal air quality? Someone that's never had an air purifier in the house doesn't think about this at all. all just, hey, I'm feeling good. I don't notice. What are things that we're just not aware of?

So there's two basic buckets to think of. And like, we'll leave wildfire smoke alone for a sec. You have outdoor pollution and you have indoor pollution. So outdoor pollution could be mold, allergies, fumes from cars, your neighbor across the street who's doing a bathroom renovation and they're cutting their drywall. A lot of that gets in your house too. So you have outdoor pollution, which is any of the pollutants that originate outside. And then you have indoor pollution. this is all the stuff that Ryan was testing for. This is also mold. It's also VOCs, chemicals,

shower products, skincare products, insect parts, cooking, pet dander. So you have the outdoor pollution, you have the indoor pollution. When you're outside, the reason you don't see dust outside and you generally, the air is, you know that, you're like, I just want to go outside

and stuffy inside. I just want to go outside and get a breath of fresh air. That's not like some special air. That's the regular air. That's already kind of dirty. but your indoor air is so much worse than your outdoor air because homes since the 70s, since the energy efficiency movement, we've been trying to save money, keep the warm in in the winter, keep the cool in in the summer.

So the problem is energy efficiency is completely at odds with an environmental health. Because we're basically building these homes that are like wrapped in Tupper, they're basically little Tupperware boxes wrapped in saran wrap. So homes don't breathe very well. So you have all the outdoor pollutants that come in because that's where air comes from outside. We have all these indoor pollutants that we then trap inside. So anyone who's like you guys already have a very health aware audience, bad air is similar to bad water or bad food. It's the same kind of stuff.

It's just more toxins coming in your body. You can get it through your skin. You can get it through your mouth. You can get it through your nose. It's the eating, drinking and breathing are the biggest three ways followed by absorption that bad things get into us. So when, you know, when people spend 95 plus percent of their time indoors in these little Tupperware boxes, they're really stewing in it. So that's kind of like the level setting on the problem. What is the problem?

It's that we have these super tight homes, a bunch of bad chemicals, we cook inside, our range hoods don't work very well, and then we're sleeping in there, we're breathing in there, we're working in there, all that kind of stuff.

Yeah, one of the biggest things that Ryan said to us, which is very cost-effective for anyone listening. We covered it on the show with him is even just cracking windows throughout the day and leaving positive air. Like we were coming over here and before we left,

you know, our kids are still there with help and cracking all the downstairs windows and upstairs and like just letting air through the house. And I wasn't conscious of it until he mentioned. I was like, wow, there's so many times at home, like people just don't crack a window. Like when Michael sprays his hairspr in the morning without the window open and I have to have Jasper clean it up for me. Or I also noticed Jasper will clean up when I put incense on. Is incense bad? It's not great. It smells nice. The thing is, though, it's like there's, so we'll get into like the problem side and we'll get into like

little actionable things aside from air purifiers that people can do just like the windows. I got 10 versions of the little window winds that people can get. So the incense, though, it's like, the incense is not great to breathe. But if you're filtering, it's like the water that comes from the city. So we have water that's filled with bacteria. So the city chlorinates it like crazy, so it won't kill us. And then we bring it in our house and we declorinate it. And then we remineralize it. It's like there's nothing wrong with water. We just have to deal. We're not going to solve the source unless we like trek to the spring and get our spring water. And so the water, we deal with the problem in our home. With air, it's a little bit sneakier because

it doesn't just come in through one pipe. It comes in through the doors. It comes in through the windows. It comes in through the vents. So because you, if you have the incense and other things, if you're doing something about it, like you have the Jasper filtering it. So you see it goes up to red, then it comes back down to green. Like you're actually proactively doing something about the problem. The problem is if you have your windows shut and you're not cleaning the air, now we have an issue. So I wouldn't say don't light incense. I would suggest Jasper is ready and air windows potentially cracked. would be a good idea, though. It's so wild when I light incense.

Immediately the jasper, you hear it go on. It's like so crazy. It's like wild. So it's kind of the same. Cooking is very similar. And the thing that most people don't know about, they think about air has an isolated issue and the problem. So they think about the range hood is just to get the bacon out.

It's not. If you have a cast iron pan with high quality olive oil and asparagus, it will still kick up. And you think it's just in the kitchen. But if you have a Jaspor or another air sensor in baby's bedroom and a 5,000 square foot house, even in the bedroom within a few minutes, that one will turn red too. So people think that it's a localized issue. But if you have an HVAC system, which 95% of Americans do, that's designed to mix the air.

So even though the issue is originating in one room, it's very quickly a whole home issue in seconds. So if you have one in the house, it's good to clean the whole house. Like you don't need them in every room? Depends. So this is like the hardest thing ever. And every company, especially since, you know, the, we all think through Amazon filters. We try to check boxes. So, you know, we think what, how many square feet do I have? Yeah. Square footage is not the right way to think about it because how to do you have 16 foot vaulted ceilings? Do you have seven foot ceilings? It's about the cubic volume. Do you have seven little rooms that are compartmentalized or is it one big open space? So the way I explain it is like one Jasper in a room probably cleans there in that room about 95%. So let's say, say an average bedroom with no air quality, no air filtration, it will have about 800,000 particles in that room, between 0.3 microns and 10 microns. So that could be anything from hair cells, skin cells, shockingly, a high amount of insect parts, mold, allergens, pet dander, all the dust, the dust mites. Typically, if we are cleaning the air in that room,

within about two to three hours, the air is about 97% cleaner in that room. And it's about 20 to 25% cleaner in the rest of the house. So if somebody has one in each bedroom, one or two in the main living room, now each room is being addressed. So is the whole home. So the best analogy I have is think about it like Sonos. Back in the day, we need to have this one giant speaker. And it would either be like way too loud and basey beside there and you couldn't really hear it in the other room. So I don't like to think about it as an air purifier as much as a decentralized whole home cleaning solution. So because water comes in through a pipe, we can filter it at the source. because air is coming in through all the rooms,

we could have one air filter in the furnace. In fact, we spent two years trying to develop that first. It was a total failure because when the furnace is off, it's not working. Your furnace is just not designed to be an air cleaning machine. You put a filter on it. It ends up choking out the airflow. It's not the way to go. We wanted it to be because how elegant would that have been just attached to the furnace

and we're good to go. Didn't work at all. So we're kind of, I think about Jasper sort of like Sonos, where it's like a decentralized situation. and it's sort of cleaning in each room and it allows it to be quiet in every room but still effective is more the way to kind of think about it. You mentioned a bunch of hacks that you have like opening the window. What are some other things that people can do today right now for free?

Okay. So a big one. Carbon dioxide is a big problem. So most homes and buildings weren't really designed like level setting. That's the sensor you have over there. That's the sensor over there. He's called an A. Ranel?

Just a CO2 sensor. Okay. They're all. CO2 is looking pretty good in here, though. It's great. You guys have good air in here. And I think that's why you're, like, if you didn't have this environment, you'd be getting so fatigued so quickly.

Exactly. So when you came in, how we have the stamina, we got that good air in here. Yeah, you do have good air in here. So go ahead to get a carbon monoxide. So carbon dioxide, CO2. So being aware of the area, it all starts from awareness. When someone can flip, like once you, you know, we grew up, we just called water water.

And then at some point, it was like there's filtered water. And then now when you drink top water, you're like, ah, I can taste the chlorine. I can taste bad water. So you've trained like the sensors on your tongue, which is what they are, to detect bad stuff. So now you can use your own senses to detect bad water, good water. You know what clean water tastes like. You've calibrated to it. When you go into my air sensors are calibrated now.

I don't really need that so much anymore, whether it's mold, CO2 or whatever. Because I've had a lot of gadgets in my life, my air sensors are quite calibrated. If you think about this, if you go outside most days and you ask five people to guess what temperature it is, you're all going to guess. No one's going to say 90 and the other person says 60 because you literally have temperature sensors built into your skin. You know what the temperature is because you've calibrated this number, Fahrenheit or Celsius, to the way you feel. You know if we go into a rainforest, it feels very humid. If we go into a dry sauna or the desert, it feels very dry. So you can actually feel humidity.

When people learn that stuffy, when someone says it's stuffy or I just, just need fresh air, that just means the CO2 is really high, which means the oxygen is not great. So that's when you get like, there's been a million studies, whether it's the performance of chess players, SAT scores, the list goes on, like human performance goes way down when the air quality is poor. I was going to ask you what symptoms, what are some of the symptoms that people may not even be aware of that are being affected by poor air quality. So I'll tell you this and then I will come back to the tips and tricks that people can get

for free immediately. Welcome to the him and her show. We asked different questions at the same time. No, but I got to follow the thread through because you're mentioning symptoms and I think it's because I think what we try to do with this audience is sometimes people are going through like, oh, everything's fine. I don't notice anything. But I'm, but our perspective is you can always feel better. Right. There's always things. I love that perspective. And and so I think sometimes just making people aware of some things that they may not be paying attention to. Yeah. So that will double click on problem and then I'll go to solution. So on the problem side. I'll re-route it and it's all the same stuff that you're already aware about is the reason that you're not drinking tap water. You're not using Lysol. Like Branch Basics was in here before.

The reason that you're using the primally pures and the branch basics and olive oil and getting high quality source food is because you know you've not, well, your audience happen to be educated, which makes it really easy to talk to you guys about this stuff. If you eat bad stuff, you may not always feel horrible. If you drink bad water, like you might not feel horrible right away. If you know how to listen to your body, bad food likely makes you feel bad pretty quickly. The feedback loop is really tight. Air is very much the same. So the reason air quality, so if someone has asthma, it incredibly exasperates their asthma symptoms. If someone has seasonal allergies, it's not because you ate or drink the allergens.

It's because you breathe them in. So anyone who suffers from allergies, that's just a breathing issue. And the breathing issue is just because of the air you're breathing. So asthma and allergies would be two big ones right off the bottom. bat. And then like any autoimmune stuff. So whether that's like a little bit of psoriasis or eczema, anything autoimmune gut stuff, like all this, it's crazy how much inflammation just across the board if your body's breathing in toxins. So the bedroom is a really big deal honestly because if someone can clean up the air in their bedroom, then you've

gone from those 800,000 particles, clean that up by 95%. So the now that I live in Austin, Cedar fever, it's a thing. People actually talk about allergies here. Yeah. It's a real thing, especially right now. I have to hear the word cedar fever like 600 times a day. Especially the spring we just had. I mean, blue bonnets are out. They're here. You don't talk about Carson.

So people get really impacted and they think, you know, we learn what doesn't kill us makes us stronger. This is not true for mold, sensitivity, or allergies. What, it beats you down. It's more like a boxer or a UFC fighter who gets knocked out. And then your chin is weakened and you're more susceptible to getting knocked out again. So when someone's getting beat down by allergens all day long, Then they come inside.

Most homes have more pollen inside than there is outside because it comes in and it stays in. So you're outside, the allergies kick your ass. You come inside and it beats you down more. Then you go to bed and you're breathing it all night long. So your body never gets a good time to enter like parasympathetic rest, recovery, repair. It's staying on defense 24 hours a day. So when someone can really dial in their air quality in their bedroom, in their sleep sanctuary, in their home, all of a sudden, it's like your cup is getting drained of all that, you know, constantly,

an attack. So then when you go outside, your allergy symptoms are way, way lower. Like, I never thought that this would be such a case, but people's allergies almost entirely disappear the seasonal allergies, because now if they're inside 90% of the time and they're not breathing pollen for that 90%, they, the human body's good. We can take it for 10%. We just can't take it 24 hours a day. I notice with our bedroom, we've done three things that have really improved our sleep. And my friend Sherivine of symbiotica always says that your house should be where you detox. And I think where we were living before Austin, we were like retoxing. It was like we would go in and we would feel worse. And we've done three things to do that. And I think it really helps. The first thing is we have

our Jasper air filter in our room, which is right next to our bed almost. And then we, we really looked at our detergent that we were using because we're laying our head on the pillow. And then the third thing is we got rid of lights in our room. So it's just like a salt rock line. And lamp or red light at night. Those three things have fundamentally improved my life. I'm not joking. I mean, it is when I sleep, I feel my nervous system is at rest. It's wild. That's interesting what you say about the air because I think cleaning just your air makes such a big difference in the way you sleep. Yeah, and we leave the Jasper running 24-7 in the bedroom. Is that what we should do? You should. In fact, when I go away, when I like leave for the weekend or for a week, I turn all mine on full speed.

Oh, that's a good idea. Oh, that's a really good idea. Because now when the pollen's floated, because now the noise is no problem. Great idea. Because we're leaving on smart, but we should leave it. The one in your bedroom, depending on if you guys like silent, smart is the way to go with the lights off. If you don't, I keep mine on fan speed two all night, all the time. In my house, if it's fan speed two in my bedroom, I don't hear it in the rest of the house anyway.

So it's cleaning the whole house more. And then at night, it's just more clean. Like, I want my air even cleaner. And I don't like, you know, white noise machines that are speakers, it's silly. Why wouldn't my white noise machine be wind through a filter? Like, I'd rather my white noise machine be an air cleaning machine without EMF. I'm going to try that tonight. You should.

Yeah. The bedroom is a huge one. So it's the allergens big time. It's the asthma, big time. And then it's like, if you can dial in your sleep, like you can't have a good day without a good night. So I think the easiest point to like fix your home environment is dialing in the bedroom. Because like you're hopefully guaranteed to spend a third of your life in that one room,

which makes it super controllable to just like handle that one space. And then beyond that, I like to tie most things back to sleep, but like a few huge wins that I've seen people have, a lot of people who track with ORA, Fitbit, Whoop, etc., have had remarkable changes like instantly. So a friend in Toronto, his sleep score was a 61 on ORA, and then it instantly, like, 61 was his average, and then it jumped to 91 because there was a little bit of mold in his building.

Not a ton of mold, but a little bit of mold. enough that it was attacking him all night when he was sleeping. So the mold was really harming his sleep. He put Jasper in his bedroom, no more mold, and then everything else kind of took care of himself. So the mold was the problem. Once he addressed the mold issue in his bedroom at night, even if the mold was like a little bit in his kitchen and his living room,

like, so be it. He's not there all the time. But I reframe the word sleep to healing time. I never want to go to sleep. Like sleep doesn't like bring me like the positive vibes. I'm like, I like my life so much. I like the daytime. I like doing stuff.

But healing time, I'm like, ooh, nice. I'm going to like get cozy and enter my healing state for eight hours. So optimizing that. But really like the problem stuff, cooking, I'll go back to that one again. Cooking is the thing, like how long have we been living indoors? Like indoors is already. And the fact that we have a word called outside. We invented a word for outside as in like that's not where we belong.

That was just like the place until very recently where now we built these little boxes that we actually have a word for outside. People are like, I want to go to the nature. Like, that's what this all was very recently. And microwave? Microwave. That's probably bad too. That's an EMF.

That's a different question. That's an EMF thing. You got to turn the fan on, right? When you're cooking. Yeah, it's not just for bacon. It's all the time. And when meat touches high heat, even the most highest quality, grass fed, grass finished steak there is. The protein from the meat at high temperature creates something called PAHH, which is polysilic aromatic

hydracorbons. So the meat is great to eat, but it creates these proteins. It's the same stuff that we would get from wildfire smoke. So like meat and proteins and fat at super high heat. And range hoods don't do that good of a job. So then you have all this cooking and smoke and particulates in your couch, in your clothes, anything that's in your house that's porous. If it can get wet from water, it can absorb air.

And unless you're detoxing your house fairly regularly, it's now embedded. So then you go under the bed, you go under the couch. The good thing is like, range hood is good. It's not just for bacon. using, so let's get into some little winds. Let's get in some little actual wins. So first of all, test your fans and make sure they work. Take a Kleenex, take a toilet paper, put it up to your range hood, and see if it even pulls.

Is it even working? Go to your bathroom fans. Are they working? People think bathroom fans are for poo particles. They are, but they're mostly for humidity. Pooh particles? Yeah, the fans in the bathroom. Those are supposed to be for poo particles?

That's what people think. People think it's for like the poop smell. Oh, okay. That's new to me. I didn't know that. What do you think it was for? I just thought it was just for moving the energy. Well, it kind of is.

Yeah, kind of is. Yeah, kind of is. Get that old energy out so that new energy can come in. But it's to get the humidity out of the bathroom. It's humidity. It's like showers and stuff. So like a little wind is getting a humidity switch that has a timer. So like when I get out of the shower, I always hit the two hour button.

Because if you think about like how much water a towel can soak up quite a lot. And then if it's drying in your home, you're just putting all that moisture. So I have a dehumidifier in my bathroom. So you would turn that on when you're taking a shower. Sure. Okay. You know we have that? Or your vent is fine too.

Yeah, but the vent is the bathroom fan does the trick. So the switch instead of leaving it on all day, just won't hit the two hours. It's like turning it on and you turn it off like 10 minutes after the shower. The towel is still wet. You're saying leave it. But you like the fact that we have a dehumidifier in our bathroom to turn on when we're showering. Well, what's crazy after moving to Austin, because we came from California. And I think people and humid clients in particular need to,

to be aware, I think the Native Americans used to call this the land of the sick because of the mold. And they would kind of mosey on when it would get really humid here. And it wasn't until we came here that we realized, okay, like humidity and mold have to be taken very seriously. And I don't think a lot of people think about that. More so in other drier. Like I lived in Arizona at one point. It wasn't as big of an issue over there because it was so dry. We're in the desert. They have other problems. Yeah. Other problems. They're concerned about dryness. Sure. And mold from the desert. Yes. But here I notice, like we have these things in our closet that capture humidity. and they, you know, after a few weeks, fill with water.

It's wild. Those bags, they're on my TikTok, you guys. You just put them in your closet. You got your Jasper by your bed. I have my dehumidifier in my bathroom. And we're good to go. So those little guys, like that sensor over there, you can also, that has humidity in the top right corner. So 45 to 55% is the optimal humidity range.

If you get lower than 45%, especially less than 40, 35, that's when viruses and back. bacteria and ozone become problems. When you get past 60%, that's when mold becomes an issue. So you want to kind of be in the sweet spot. If it's too humid, that's a problem. If it's too dry, that's a problem. So the range hood, big one. Bathroom fans, another low-hanging fruit, easy win. You know, cleaning up the household products, huge win. You already nailed that one. If it's really dry, a humidifier can be super helpful, especially if you can use like distilled or filtered water. The ventilation is so, so big. When I was living in British Columbia a few years ago, our CO2 was 600 in the day, but it was getting to 3,500 at night.

Wow. That's like evacuate the building type levels. I was sleeping 10 hours a night and waking up exhausted. And I wish I could say Jasper was the savior for that, but it wasn't. It's the CO2. You can't filter that out. It's gas. We were in British Columbia.

There was wildfires. It was cold sometimes. All we had to do was leave our bathroom fan on throughout the night and it would keep it under 900. And the reason that it was getting so high was because it didn't have a central air. system. It had like the heat pumps split duckless and radiators and stuff. It was like the, you know, little heat pumps in the room. So it didn't have like a furnace. So when we closed the door, the air had nowhere to go. I was mouth breathing at the time. My CO2 was way, way higher.

Let's get into that. You're the perfect person to ask about mouth breathing and nose breathing. Tell us everything you know. So I will first say, I got a septo rhinoplastie in 2018 and it changed my whole life. Did you have a deviated symptom or you just a badly deviated symptom? And I broke in my nose many, many, many times. A real deviated septum or a fake one, like they say in Hollywood when they get a nose job? A bad one, mostly from Muay Thai. This is the first person on the planet to have a real deviated septum. But no, you broke so he broke your nose. I didn't start that way. I broke it a lot doing Moy Thai. So you were breathing from your mouth? Yes. So I couldn't scuba dive. It would kill. I remember like that was like one sign of success that I wanted to have on the other side was the

ability to scuba without like the squeeze. I wanted to be able to hike mountains. I couldn't hike mountains either because you have to breathe through your nose when you're hiking at altitudes or you can get really sick and you get exhausted. And those were like two big things that I really wanted to achieve. So first of all, fixing the hardware was a big deal. And then yeah, proct, just like being more mindful. Like, like, close my mouth. I told my wife, Rachel, like, if I'm doing that, like, close me. Why don't you want to try mouth taping? It wasn't there then. I'm a big fan of mouth taping now. Okay. I need to get you. You're all sold out. The last one just got. I literally gave the last one in the entire company away right before you came in, but I'm going to send you some. How important is it after

all this, though, that you were breathing through our nose? Like, have you, I'm sure you're like the perfect person. Well, the nose is the original air filter. Yes. Like the nose is the air filter. The most affordable air filter of all is actually the nose that we all have. And if we don't use it, we lose it. So yeah, I'm a really big fan of consciously breathing through your nose, both in restful states like sleep, but also through active states like hiking and, you know, walking and things like that. And like what? It's just like, you know, some people like to sit still when they meditate and I'm a fan of that too. But like just walking and only breathing through your nose is quite meditative itself. And like letting that filter. Yeah, James Nestor's book, breathe that I'm a big

fan of that book and I'm a big fan of using our, I want to use, yeah, we want clean air. And then we want to filter it again through our nose and just like slow everything down. So in relation to the Jasper, as you start to figure all this stuff out, I'm always fascinated by how people start companies and, invent products. How did you go about doing the research and figuring out how to create an air filter of the quality that you've created? What does that even look like in the beginning? It doesn't sound like I'm happy to tell you. And I want to make sure I don't forget to tell you guys about baby's rooms, nurseries. Someone with two young girls, this was like one of the biggest things for me. Put a pin in that. So because my background was in the wildfire restoration space, I was coming at it. So most

air purifiers you see, they're trying to make the cutest, smartest, techiest. version of the thing. Like we have no, so like, you know, the reason we have no Wi-Fi, no Bluetooth is because we didn't want to have EMF, and we wanted to have no apps. Like, I don't need any more apps in my life. Oh, thank God. I'm so sick of everything having an app. I agree with you.

Even dishwashers have apps now. No, no, thank you. So I'm like, let's make a product that's so simple. Like, what is smart? What is a smartphone? If everything's so smart, how come I have to control it all the time? That ain't smart. Right.

It's dumb. I got to push all the buttons. Yeah. So for me, it was a requirement. I had a few requirements and I made a chart, made like a mind map that said things that annoy me, why it matters and how I'll fix it. And that was like my single source of truth. So it had to have no EMF. I needed to make it out of steel. So it needed to be steel. Why? Because plastic has a very short lifespan. You can't really recycle that type of plastic. Also for every pound of plastic we

manufacture, it creates three pounds of carbon dioxide. That whole like global warming CO2 thing. One ton of plastic is one ton of CO2. So it's a ton of CO2. So it. it's like if I have this little plastic air purifier in my room, but I'm contaminating the outside a ton, what problem are we really solving? This is like a negative fix. This is not a real fix. So it couldn't be plastic. Had to be metal.

Had to be no Wi-Fi. No Bluetooth. So I had to be simple. The smart sensor had to work really good because I wanted to be quiet all the time, except for when you need it most. It had to vent upwards, not out the side, because which became a big deal during COVID. and we mostly only sold to doctors and dentists was if it vents out the side,

it kicks up dust and it aerosolizes particles. If it goes up, it just creates a nice cylindrical pattern. The air goes up into the breathing zone, into the HVX system. Had to vent up. It had to capture the air 360 degrees because a lot of air purifiers,

they take the air on one or two sides, which means you literally have to keep it several feet from the wall. So I remember when I got my air doctor for market research. It says, first of all, it says you have to vacuum it every month in the bottom. I'm like, I'm not vacuuming it every month. So I wanted to just, I didn't do any market research.

I just created the air purifier that I really wanted for myself. So it needed to be 360 because you can shove it in a corner. It doesn't matter where you put it. You can hide it, you can display it. Also, I wanted to be metal because plastic reflects light and metal steel absorbs light. So plastic, like, it's very shiny and like very stark. I wanted something that would be like functional art. quietly there, just cleaning your air.

You never have to touch it. You never have to think about it. The other big thing had to be powerful. So I was approaching this from like a wildfire mold flood restoration guy who wanted something that was industrial, but beautiful and quiet. Instead of like bottom up, let's make it small and effective. I'm like, let's make this historically ugly industrial commercial thing pretty and quiet because I saw when Angela turned hers off because it was loud and ugly.

I'm like, it has to be effective. It's quiet. It has to be pretty. Has to be smart. So I did a two-year adventure to Beijing and Bangkok and Mexico City and all these cities with horrible air quality. It's amazing. When you're like in China or Malaysia and you go to like the bank or the restaurant or whatever,

there's air purifiers, huge ones everywhere. Some of them are like six feet tall, two feet wide because they're more air aware. You know, the air has been worse longer and they're more air conscious. They're more air aware. So I got to like, I wanted to go where the air was the worst and like see what they were doing. So it really started from that. And the other thing I hate... Oh, to curiosity, where did you find the worst air?

Beijing. We went to Beijing and I was shocked. I never want to go back. Yeah. That's what I said when I left. I'm good. Yeah. Purely for the air, I mean, it's crazy you go there.

We were there in 2015 and it's just like, it looks like you're in a cloud when you're in the middle of it. And like we live in air, so we're not that aware of it. I like to remind people that what water is to fish, air is to people. We're swimming in a sea of air right now. We're in it. It's not separate from us. So it's like, why don't this fish swim away from the contaminant? toxic waters, the clean waters, because they don't know.

There was this little goldfish YouTube video I saw where there's just like one older gold fish and he swims by these little two goldfish and he's like, how's the water boys? And then a little goldfish is like, what's water? And like I think how recently did we even discover air was a thing? We just lived in it. So it's the first thing we do when we're born. It's the last thing we do and we're die. It's the only thing we do at night.

We can even do it in a coma. So my theory is we're so unaware. If there's any reason I like to do these podcasts, if we could, just raise air awareness one little notch, we've really done our part. Because like the water awareness is like 20 years ahead of air. It's shocking to me. You know, every office has a water filter. Filtered water. Can I give you a filtered water? I think it's only a matter of time until every it's just the standard. Every office will have filtered air. Every bedroom will have filtered air. It's crazy. You need a jasper here. Yeah, we do need one. What are some. We will jasperize you guys.

What are some longevity, aging beauty benefits when it comes to the air we're breathing? So a couple things, all those pollutants that we talked about before, whether it's the VOCs or the mold or the PM2, any little harmful particles that can enter our lungs and our bloodstream can also enter our pores. We absorb things just like that's why all the skincare stuff matters so much. So when you go in there, it is stressing out your skin a ton. It's called oxidative stress. And basically it's just like bad water and bad food would cause inflammation and deteriorate your skin cells. So from an aging beauty perspective, if your skin and your skin, lungs are, you get it in through your skin and you get it through your lungs. If you're breathing

all that bad stuff, your body's playing defense more. It can accelerate aging. So it's similar to the stuff you already know about clean, organic food or filtered water. It's just another way that stressful things get inside of us. We have to talk about babies and kids rooms. Yeah, we do. There's a lot of mothers and fathers, mainly mothers who are listening. Talk to us about what we need to know about our kids' rooms when it comes to air. So I remember my kids are four and almost two. I think you guys are at the same level. At the time, we only had one daughter, Aria, when we were living in, which actually turns out means air.

That's convenient. Didn't know that at the time. Wow. Yeah. That's crazy. Wow. No idea when you were naming? Nope. My wife Rachel would just throw different names at me all the time.

And like, for whatever reason, the name Aria stuck. Actually, I wasn't able to, we were able to land on a name. And then I had to do this, like, I was at this event in Cabo and we had to write a letter, our one last letter, like if we were dying tonight, who would we write the letter to? And I don't know why. I just, something came over me and I wrote the letter to my unborn daughter. And I just started with Dear Aria. And then I message Rachel, I'm like, yo, it's Aria for sure.

Wow. We had this diaper genie thing. And I was very air aware already. We were living in Colonna. There was wildfire smoke. We got this diaper genie thing. We're filling up. I'm like, it smells like poo.

Luckily, I have all the gadgets so I could test the air for bacteria and all that. And like, if it smells like poo, it's because it is poo. So I'm like, yo, Rach, I think we should probably start putting the diapers directly outside. Or at the very least, like, you know, put the diapers outside or clear out the diaper genie every day. I mean, she was the primary caregiver of the children. So she's like, that's super annoying. Like, all right, fine. In that case, tonight, let's sleep with the diaper genie in our room and see how it feels.

She's like, no, I'm not sleeping with that thing in my room. I'm like, ha, gotcha. So I'm like, if you're not going to sleep with it. So you don't want to sleep with the poop particles. Fun fact, we breathe 20,000 times a day, about 11,000 liters of air per day. Babies breathe 60,000 times a day. Ew, get that diaper thing out of his room. It's not in the room.

It's in the bathroom. It's right. Connected to his room. Mike, what do we do? Um, well, the Jaspers should be in baby's room or, infant toddler's room, number one, for sure. Number two, it's funny. Everybody puts it in their own bedroom.

I did. Everybody does every other thing in their whole life. They put their kids ahead of them, almost always, except for air. But you told me right now, like, oh, take your Jasper out of your room and put in your kids' room on, be like, yeah. Might have to buy another one. We'll get you guys hooked up. No matter what, like, the baby's bedroom, it's a big, me and Ryan actually, we're having

an unlaunched podcast episode that me and Ryan Blazer from Texas. my home recorded together, just talking about babyproofing your nursery from an environmental perspective. Everybody's worried about sharp corners and plugs and all that stuff. Meanwhile, they got little Sophie filled with mold, brand new crib. What's a Sophie? It's this little giraffe toy that got super popular. I don't have that. Keep going. I want to go to know the list. No Sophie. You know, the crib is brand new manufactured MDMF, MDF wood that's off gassing. They have all these little scents and gadgets and just all this new furniture without actually letting it. it breathe out. So like baby's rooms are like the most environmentally neglected. Fresh paint. Let's

paint right before we have the nursery and not air it out either. So it's like so funny. We did wall paper but that's still. Better. But still. It's sticky. So that yeah, the diaper genie thing. It's not our type. If it was, you wouldn't smell the poop. So those people listen. They're like, oh, this is like extreme. And I understand those people. But I think the whole night, one night in your room. Yeah. The whole point is that's the right of passage. Just to be aware of this stuff and say, okay, like if you can do it because you're so right, like these diaper pails are in the, in the kids' room. But if you said, hey, put it in your room, all parents would be like, whoa, what are you talking about? It's kind of, that, that is a interesting thing to think about. Wait, so, so is there something that's a fix besides a

jasper? Is there something else? Yeah. Like, it's a different diaper situation we can get, or no? So, yeah, jasper is not the perfect fix. And if you do it, your filter is going to start to smell like poo too. So, like, it's not the, it's not the silver bullet here. Okay. When I talked about being able to have, there's source times, when it comes to all the skincare products, the chemicals, the quality of our food. Let's tackle the source. Let's just buy better products. Let's attack it that way. Let's not like, we can't just like cook the GMO out of our chicken. Yeah, but how do we get the poo? What do you do with the poo? Just don't leave it in the room. I just don't leave it in the room. It's in the bathroom. Bathroom's way better. Your

kid doesn't sleep in the bathroom. It's connected to the room. Another thing you could do is leave that bathroom fan on all the time. Okay. Because now that bathroom fan is going to be constantly venting out. I also want to change that thing every single day, every single second, whenever I can. I know, I know it gets changed, but like let's change it a little more. I need to see some elbow grease and do it. Well, I can't wait. I can't wait for you to start. Wherever the SOPs are, for whoever's helping with the children right now, have a daily checklist

item, take all the diapers out of the house. Yeah, but then here's my question, because I'm going to get really detailed here. Then you take the diaper shit, literally, and you put it in the garage, in the trash can, and it sits there for seven days while you wait for the trash. Do I need a Jasper in my garage? No, you don't. Are you sure? I'm sure.

Mike? I'm sure. I'm in the garage sometimes. You're in the garage for like four seconds. No, it's four seconds. It adds up. My garbage pail happens to live outside the house, not in the garage. That would be convenient.

Michael, could I get it like that? I don't know if you have a good luggage. I looked outside my window the other day. I was on the phone. And I saw a raccoon that was bigger than me. if I put these pails out there like No, keep them away

it will No, they get in that trash He likes the poop Oh not the poop But he likes the other stuff If it's constant If he likes the food Like if there's any food

How much does he like the food If you listen by the looks of him He likes it a lot This thing I ran inside I was like So there's no better diaper pale situation No Okay

I got a guy Can not be your next product? No Okay Because you only want to do One thing and do it well And you have done it the best First of all

I do want to say to everyone that the number one thing I actually noticed first about this product is it is so aesthetically pleasing. I find it to be gorgeous. How did you think about that when you created it? When I saw Angela turn off her machine, in order for this to be effective, and I had tried the HVAC system and it failed, I'm like, we're going to need a few of these things. We're going to need a few of these things. And if they're loud, no one's going to use them. And if they're ugly, no one's going to use them.

So that was just obvious to me. And I'm like, nobody needs this. People have enough art. And like there's, doesn't need to be the star of the show. No, it's like a... I don't even notice it. I walk by it. I don't mean that to be mean.

It's subtle. No, that's the, it's a subtle thing. It's just to blend into the environment. Yeah. It shouldn't be noticed unless it's yellow or red and it's actually spooling up to deal with a particular issue. So like the, like, you know, you could buy an air purifier that's like five or $600 that cleans the air just as good.

As long as you're okay with loud, ugly and bright lights. So, yuck. Yuck. That's what I'm saying. And an eyesore? I don't need an eyesore. And then because we made it out of metal, that allowed us to have a lifetime warranty, which is honestly, I'm probably more proud of our service than I am the product itself.

So let's say someone's Jasper breaks happens about 2% of the time, 1 in 50. So if it breaks, this is what we do. We ship them a new one the next day, not a refurbished one, a brand new one. They take the new one out of the box. They put the old one in the box. We've already given them a prepaid shipping label. And then we schedule UPS to pick it up 9 a.m. the next day. We cover the shipping both ways.

So I hate when I have a product that doesn't work and I want to like use their warranty. Like do you have the original box? No, I did not. I don't collect boxes. No, I don't have the receipt. The box is where the diapers are. It's in the trash.

I don't have this stuff. Do you think I'm lying to you that your product doesn't work? So I'm like if we just trust people and ship them a new one, I don't think they're lying to us about their thing. So then it would get really expensive for us if these things didn't work really good. So part of the benefit of steel and all of making it high quality. was so we could put our money where our mouth is on the service and support side of things. Fun fact, until February of 2023, so just over a year ago, we had no e-commerce. The only way to buy a Jasper was to call us or email us to request a consultation.

Because my background was like air quality, mold, fire guy. I don't even know about this whole Shopify e-commerce situation. People would call us and we would talk to them for an hour sometimes about their mold, about the baby, about the cooking. It was like one-on-one sales and then we would send them like an invoice. We had no online. So I got to talk to like hundreds or thousands of people. And then only then I'm like, well, people actually buy these things online. I remember we turned on the online thing and one minute later, ding, Tracy, hey, that was cool.

Also, it used to be 1975 because we were preparing to launch for Wildfire season 2020. And then COVID, bam, didn't expect that. And they mandated every dentist in Ontario that they needed to put one in every single room in order to open their business backup. COVID must have been great for your business. It was. It was a perfect time to launch because, we were going to be more a Dyson-type price point. We're Dyson, but way better.

We were going to have to tell that story. Because COVID happened, our shipping price, our cost was 500 per unit to fly then. So it's funny because I used to be like the flood fire guy. It was just equally a disaster with COVID. So we had to fly them in with next day shipping. We had to consult the doctors and the dentists and the businesses on their COVID strategy.

So it was like right in my wheelhouse. And then it was the patients that the number one, feedback we've got from dentists and the hygienist was, can you give a signage so we can like brag to our patients and staff about how clean, healthy, and safe our offices. So then they would brag about it. And then the patients would be like, hmm, do they sell these things for families? Like I have an asthmatic son. Like I don't know. Call Jasper. So they would call us. We would talk to them, give them big discounts. And then when the dentist, like, if anyone looks at the reviews on our website, the first, all of them for the first couple years, we're all dentists and

doctors. And it was like, my patients and staff feel so safe. And then as soon as the homeowners start coming online, it's like, we're going from five asthma attacks a week to one. I'm sleeping through the night. Finally, my allergies are, I'm like, ah. So, you know, we had this internal conflict of, and I never, like, planted our flag and being like, we're the COVID air purifier, we're the fire one. I'm like, forget that. Like, we're here for the long haul. I'm not getting caught in the moment too much. Yeah. So we stayed really focused on, on people. And then when I never, like, I thought we were just going to be for wildfire season. Then we ended up being in COVID. So I was, like, my backbone of being like the disaster guy, I was well equipped for disaster chaos situations.

And then that's because the dentist legally couldn't operate without the unit. So there was, they would send a screaming message or a call like if anything had an issue because they could, each dentist room is producing $300 an hour. So they, that thing was shuts. Like I need a new unit today. So that's why. And it often wasn't totally broken. You don't have a small issue, especially version one.

So that's why we got into the sender. a new one, take the old one back. We basically got built for like this like disaster situation and we're like, what if we just keep offering that for everybody? So like that makes me really happy. And the fact that we're metal and steel and industrial grade. I also think to have the stamp of Ryan from Test My Home, who is someone who, and if you guys haven't listened to that episode, go listen. He literally tells you everything to check for in your home. He is committed to just making people have the healthiest home ever. And to have that stamp from him, I think is really cool. We got connected, Ryan and I, because of an old friend of mine who lives in Austin, had Ryan out to test their house.

They were doing some restoration and stuff, and we got connected. So I didn't even know who Ryan was for the first while. I was just getting these sales coming in and they said, we heard of you from Test My Home, Test My Home, Test My Home. I'm like, I got to reach out to this Test My Home guy. He's a big fan. Chated with Ryan. I'm like, yo, this is like a match made in heaven. You guys are a match made in heaven.

And I also think that the audience who's listening are people that do. do really care about their air, that they're breathing every single day. And I think that I have talked about this on my Instagram story before you came on. I'm excited to share this. I know that you have a very special deal for the audience. You told me off air. Can you let us in on it? And by the way, anyone who takes advantage of it and isn't happy, we have something called the life-changing guarantee. So if in the first two months, and even if it's longer, but it's officially two months, if there's any issues at all, at all, even if it's just, if it's not, changing the way you live. Send him a message in a bottle because you guys don't, you guys are

not doing Shopify. You can just send him a message on the bottle. Now we have Shopify. I'm just kidding. I love Shopify. It's awesome. Yeah. So now that we we have that basically if there's, if it's like people always ask like what's the difference and what third party lab studies do you have? It's like first of all, all those third party lab studies are complete bullshit. Every one of those places rigs the game so you win because if they didn't, nobody would go back to them. Right. All of them. I'm like, okay, we got them. The good thing about this, though, I think is it's one of those things that you plug in

in the first day, you notice a difference. You notice a difference. Yeah, that's why I'm excited. So people are like, I've owned seven air purifiers before, but I wasn't sure if they were working. I'm like, you'll know. No, you'll know. You'll know.

You'll know. You'll know. You'll know. We have six returns ever. Damn. And 99% of people subscribe and only one percent have ever canceled. And those were like dental firms that got dental practices that got like bought by big companies and stuff.

Like people never stop. No, you notice it. You notice it. What's the deal? You have a special deal. So May 24, between May 24th and May 31st, one week, code skinny will be $200 off. And notice on our website, we don't do discounts, we don't do offers, we don't do any of that stuff. We're focused on making a good product.

We don't do Google ads. We don't do Facebook ads. We go and have meaningful conversations about air. And for those in your audience, your most loyal listeners who listen in the first couple of days when your episodes come out. So the code skinny will be $200 off from May 24 to May 31st, one full week. And then after that, it will still be $100 off forever. That will never go away. But for the first week, it'll be $200 off.

I'm getting one for Zaza in town's room immediately. No poop particles. Well, I just, we've been so selfish. It's like we have one in our room. No sleep tracking on baby. But if you did have a sleep tracker, anyone who tracks their sleep are the best people ever because they're like, whoa, my HRV is better and my sleep score is better. So yeah, babies.

And like, someone once called it the laziest way to be healthy. Okay. All the other stuff, the exercise. It's hard. He's got to breathe clean air. You just plug it in. and it's the last air purifier you'll ever need to buy because of the lifetime warranty. Yeah, we've had ours for years now ever since Ryan.

And like I said, we don't even notice it at this point outside of we're breathing cleaner. But I mean, we haven't had any issues with it. Like, it's been years. And if it does, you'll see the, and in Austin, it's even more fun. In Austin, we actually do Austin. When we get orders in Austin, often we cancel the shipping and we message them and say, are you home right now? And we use Uber to deliver it in 30 minutes.

Oh, that's cool. Can I have one Uber for? my kids. And then often we actually, instead of Uber a lot of the time, occasionally, like just for fun, I just randomly do surprise deliveries. So I go, I bring my, in my neighborhood in Kornavaka, I actually deliver them in a golf cart. So if I ever get orders in my neighborhood, which we occasionally do, it will be me in a golf cart. If you show up to my house in a golf cart, I'll be happy. I'll see what I can do. They are road legal in Texas. Where can everyone find the Instagram and the site? So the website is Jasper, but no E. J-A-S-P-R-C-O. the Instagram is at Jasper Co J-A-S-P-R-C-O that's where you can find us but our website is the best place and if you've heard this podcast you've heard most of the things I got to say Code Skinny Mike thank you for coming on and cleaning up our air my pleasure got to get one in the studio how's our air right now 747 that's your CO2 that's not talking about the particles that's just like the carbon dioxide which means ventilation is good that's the

most important thing for this type of work but yeah we should still get one in the studio We should get y'all Jasperized. But that's a good score. That's a great score. Yeah. All right. The little green, excellent thing. Excellent.

You guys are good. Thanks, Mike. Visit jasper.com and use code skinny for 10% off your first purchase. That's JASPR.com code skinny for 10% off.