The Bossticks - Ivanka Trump On Life Lessons, Leadership, Values, & How To Be Resilient Under Pressure

Episode Date: January 13, 2025

#796: Join us as we sit down with Ivanka Trump – a devoted mother, accomplished entrepreneur, visionary builder, strategic investor, bestselling author, philanthropist, & former Senior Advisor to the President. In this episode, Ivanka shares her journey of personal & professional growth, from launching a fashion brand to advocating for policies that support working families during her time in the Trump administration. Ivanka reflects on her entrepreneurial spirit, leadership lessons, family values, & commitment to creating meaningful impact. Ivanka also discusses her remarkable achievements & her perspective on her father's upcoming presidential campaign as The Trump Administration prepares to return to office.   To connect with Ivanka Trump click HERE   To connect with Lauryn Bosstick click HERE   To connect with Michael Bosstick click HERE   Read More on The Skinny Confidential HERE   To Watch the Show click HERE   For Detailed Show Notes visit TSCPODCAST.COM   To Call the Him & Her Hotline call: 1-833-SKINNYS (754-6697)   This episode is brought to you by The Skinny Confidential   Head to the HIM & HER Show ShopMy page HERE to find all of Michael and Lauryn's favorite products mentioned on their latest episodes.   This episode is sponsored by The Skinny Confidential   Optimize your daily beauty routine. Shop Beauty Water (one day) EARLY at ShopSkinnyConfidential.com.    This episode is sponsored by DailyLook   Head to DailyLook.com to take your style quiz and use code SKINNY for 50% off your first order.   This episode is sponsored by Lancôme   Shop now on lancome-usa.com and use code TSC20 for 20% off Genifique Ultimate.   This episode is sponsored by YNAB   TSC Him & Her Show listeners can claim an exclusive three-month free trial, with no credit card required at YNAB.com/skinny.   This episode is sponsored by Momentous   Go to livemomentous.com/skinny and try it today at 20% off with code SKINNY, and start living on purpose.   This episode is sponsored by Ritual   Start a Ritual that's backed by science, without the B.S. Ritual is offering 25% off your first month at ritual.com/SKINNY.   This episode is sponsored by Seedlip   Start the New Year right by visiting seedlipdrinks.com and entering the code SKINNYCONFIDENTIAL to get 20% off your purchase.   Produced by Dear Media

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Fantastic. And he's a serial entrepreneur. A very smart cookie. And now Lauren Everts and Michael Bostic are bringing you alone for the ride. Get ready for some major realness. Welcome to the Skinny Confidential, him and how. I have had the pleasure of getting to know Ivanka Trump over the past few months, and I can tell you that she is even more impressive than you could ever imagine.

She is cool and thoughtful and well-read, and she's funny. I really like her. She's a devoted mother, an accomplished entrepreneur, a visionary builder, strategic investor, best-selling author, philanthropist, and the former senior advisor to the president. I am very inspired by how she helped with the iconic redevelopment of the old post office building in Washington, D.C. You guys also might recognize her from her global fashion brand. This brand generated hundreds of millions in sales and apparel bags and shoes. I think people don't realize what a businesswoman Ivanka is.

She also starred on the hit TV show The Apprentice. She's authored two bestselling books. She's served in government. and she also led the effort to double the child tax credit. She's really done it all. This credit benefited 40 million American families, and it also secured paid leave for the federal workforce. She's really made a mark.

I sat down at lunch with her before this interview, and I got to hear about how she's channeling her energy into investing and incubating businesses. She's really interested in helping entrepreneurs who align with her interests and passions. She's also returning to her real estate routes and developing luxury hotels. We're really excited, though, in this episode to dive deeper into the story of Ivanka Trump. I wanted to hear from her directly about her journey from New York to D.C. to Miami and what

she's learned along the way. In this episode, you'll get a bag of checks mix. So you'll hear how her priorities have changed. You'll hear what brings her happiness, the impact she's made across all different industries, her thoughts on everything from creatine to Brazilian jiu-jitsu. We get the Ivanka Trump smoothie, beauty, weightlifting, time management, and how she continues to shape the future through her passions and pursuits. She barely does podcast, so I'm honored to welcome my friend Ivanka to the Him and Her

Show. This is the skinny confidential, him and her. This is your second podcast, right? Only second. This is the only second time you've done it? Uh-huh. I love listening to podcasts too. I started initially, I'm an avid reader, so I listen now to a lot of books, and I toggle back and forth between them, because I'm always just pounding through books.

And it allows me to both enjoy sort of the page and the feeling of having a book in my hand. But in Miami, I drive a lot. So if I get into a book, I normally start with it in hard form, and then I start listening to that. to it if I really like it after, you know, I give myself like an hour. If I'm into it, I also buy it on audible. And then I go back and forth between the two. So I got used to because of that listening. And it was right around the same time I got into podcasts. And now I'm always listening to something, almost to like my detriment because I think for all of us, we need sort of the calm, the peace, the noise to just be taken down. And I'm like such a very great.

consumer of information that I find myself sometimes filling the quiet moments with learning or a podcast or a book. So I don't know. I think my commitment is to have more sort of quiet drives in 2025. Podcasts are you listening to? What are your go-to? I listen to everything. I listen to you guys. I think you're great. I'll take it. I love Lex Friedman. He's become a good friend of mine and I know he's Austin based here. I recently met Theo Vaughn. And, And I think he's so funny. He's such a nice guy. He's so sincere and curious. And I love the podcast he does. He does these podcasts with just interesting people from all walks of life. So I find that really interesting. I listened to one recently with a Carney. I listened to one with somebody who'd worked in sanitation, Staten Island for 25 years. I think it's just awesome. So I like I like that a lot. There are a few business. shows I really like. This guy, Patrick, has a great show. He just interviewed my husband, and it was really interesting. It's a show called. It's called Invest Like the Best. He has great stuff. There's another great one called Acquired. I really like. That's a great business show. And then a person who I'd been listening to for a while, and subsequently I met, he's Miami-based. David Senra has a podcast that's really good. You'd actually love it. Is it the founders one?

Founders. Okay. He is so, he has just so passionate about reading, specifically books on business, biographies and autobiographies, and he made a podcast out of just discussing various books he was reading. And it's great because he'll read quotes from them. He'll talk, he'll talk you through the whole arc of the book. But over time, like Steve Jobs, he's done five episodes on Steve. So he'll pull in from other episodes and other biographies or autobiographies. He'll pull in, material as well. So you really, over the course of an hour, you really get to know the person he's profiling in a very intimate way. So it's great. And I've discovered a lot of really great thinkers through that podcast that then I've subsequently gone back and read their book. So it allows me

like a little nibble at sort of their wisdom and then sometimes I dive in more. It's really good. always been like this since you were a little girl? Were you always this, this learner, consumer of information when you go back? I've always really loved learning. And I, I would say, like a constant in my life has been just a huge curiosity about everything. Like, there's no obvious thread that ties it all together. You know, I was never, there were certain trends that I was, you know, I was always interested in real estate. I was always interested in design. I always loved history. But I find these things and my way of researching is to read. My way of tackling new experiences, I've often found myself at the deep end of life, you know, having to sort of sink or swim.

And one of my, the early ways I sort of embark on the process of trying to meet the moment is through through reading. It's amazing. I mean, for $30, you can learn somebody's life wisdom and they give it to you. And having written a book myself, my husband wrote a book, I know just how much work goes into a book. You know, somebody will tell you all their secrets. And so it's an amazing way to contextualize and experience you're having or to learn about something new. Like right now I'm super fascinated in AI and robotics. So I'll call up a friend. Actually, I called Lex on this. He gave me some suggestions, but another professor, also at MIT, actually, I called him up and I said, look, I don't need a degree. This was maybe two years ago. I don't need a degree, but I really want to understand at a higher level artificial intelligence and this sort of coming wave, the challenges, the opportunities, like, can you create a curriculum as if I was a freshman at MIT? Can you just create something for me of materials I can read, of articles I can read, of articles I can read, of podcasts that you think are particularly informative. And he said, sure. Three weeks later, I'd kind of

forgotten about it. I thought he had as well. He sends me this beautiful curriculum that I pounded through over the next five months, and it was amazing. Is he a professor that does, like, that teaches about AI? He's an AI professor at MIT. So that was like, it was an easier ask of me to make. But I've done that with friends who are just subject matter experts in different fields where I start to get curious and I realize that I could spend a lot of time trying to curate from a place that's not so knowledgeable. Or normally you can make a few phone calls and, you know, somebody will help you out. So it's just, it's my way of learning and exploring topics. You sound like someone that when you get into something, you kind of get obsessed, but you don't necessarily want to dedicate your entire life.

You just want like a base level of expertise. Is that sound accurate? Yeah. So it depends how far I want to go with it. I mean, something like AI not being a mathematician or a computer scientist, there's probably a cap on how far I can go with it. But one of the cool things about that particular space is the amount of entrepreneurialism, that layer over it. So if you know the capabilities and you have a lot of sort of reverence for it and a little bit of fear, there's just a lot of thinking you can do in collaboration with the people who are the social. subject matter experts. We were just talking about this other day. Not that you need another career,

but you would be a good podcast host. Because you're curious. I mean, and you do know a lot of different people, you would make a very good podcast host. Well, thank you. You've lived a lot of lives. You've been a businesswoman, an advisor, a mom, someone navigating politics, family, entrepreneur. When you grew up with the last name Trump, how did that shape how you thought about success? You know, it's interesting growing up in Manhattan, I had a lot of people around me whose parents were very accomplished were either public figures themselves or had experienced great success, wealth, fame, whatever it may be, and great, I guess, material success, I should say. And I found that their children tended to fall into one of two categories. They were either real strong,

and oftentimes extremely successful, or they never got out of the gate. And they never made an effort because they were paralyzed by a fear of failure and by not living up to the potential or the expectations that were set for them by society. I very seldom found pipe people in the middle. You know, it kind of seemed to take to extremes. And a lot of people would really take themselves out of the game really young. You know, I'd see it at when we were in middle school and in high school, you could just feel that they were afraid. They were afraid of not living up.

And I think seeing my parents their passion, their energy, their commitment to their work, it made the prospect of sort of accomplishing things in my life and having an impact exciting and something that felt aspirational. It felt aspirational in our household. But I also just chose to take the natural sort of insecurity, fear, self-doubt, and harness it to propel me forward. And I see this in my daughter now. You know, she is, it's an amazing thing how nobody is going to motivate her more than she motivates herself. You know, that motivation comes from within, sometimes to a standard where it borders on, perfectionism where I'm the one actually pulling her back from striving to be so good at everything. And so I think the best kind of motivation is that that comes from within. And

sometimes it takes a while to find it. Sometimes it takes just being exposed to the right mentor, the right teacher, the right path. But early on, I used all of the insecurity I had and the doubt that others would thrust upon me, that, you know, well, it's just because anything she accomplishes. It's just because X, Y, Z. And I use that to really motivate me to work harder, to dream bigger, and to just go for it. Meaning, like, no matter what you accomplished, there's always going to be some people that will say, well, because of who the parents were, who your dad or your mom was, they're going to say, like, that was easy or given or granted. Yeah, and that's been true in every phase of my life from real estate to fashion and and will always be true. And that's okay,

because I can't prove them wrong. I think you've proven them wrong. But it's not even, I don't know, like I am who I am. I'm proud of where I came from. I had certain tremendous advantages in my life. I've had some challenges in my life as well. And so these are all things just, I have to be comfortable with who I am. And I also, you know, I think as I, I've gotten older, and as I think about the lessons I pass on to my own children, you know, there's like nothing out there. Nobody can validate you, and nobody should be able to take you down. Like, that all has to also come from within. So I think most people's suffering comes from the need for validation of other people. And that's true in one's professional life

as well. You know, you have to be doing it for yourself and for the right reasons. Otherwise, I think there's a real ceiling on either where you can go because nobody works harder than somebody who loves what they do, nobody, or a ceiling on your personal joy and peace and happiness within your own life. Where do you think your confidence comes from? You're very confident. If someone's listening and they don't feel confident, how would you advise them? I'm not always confident. I have fears and anxieties just like everyone. I think as I've grown into myself, I become more comfortable with who I am. And I've adopted an attitude of it just feels better to be me, you know, than to try to be something else, even if people don't like it. So I think my confidence or any confidence that I project comes from just being increasingly more comfortable. in my own skin. But I still have insecurities and all the rest of the things that most people,

if they're really being honest and if they're being introspective, we'll admit to also having. But I think also confidence, I mean, I look back and I think about me as a 16-year-old, and I was so ambitious. And, you know, I was,

there's some video footage of me looking out of over the New York City skyline and then saying, you know, I can't wait to transform the skyline with towers that all build. And it's like, there's like a really cute confidence that comes with having not stepped out into the world yet, you know, that like only almost somebody who's really young can have. And then there's real confidence, which comes from accumulated experience, hopefully combined with success. Right. And like that, you can't, like I look back and I was like, that's really sweet. Like that's super cute. I see it in my kids.

You know, the confidence that's just like being young and being totally unafraid. And then, you know, I think you learn lessons in life. And even those small wins, like some of the best things that ever happened to me were some of the victory laps. I'm sure you both have experienced this. That now you look back, you're like, I'm not even sure if that was like a real milestone, but it felt so good to like, you know, slay some task or to perform beyond your expectation. and you get a few of those and get going, and the momentum is incredible. I was fortunate, and it sounds like you were fortunate as well,

and so it was one that we had parents that really encouraged us. You know, we know people that have had parents that have done the opposite, where they kind of like, maybe that's too much for you, maybe you can't do that. You had two powerhouse parents that, I don't think a lot of people realize, they worked together on a lot of things. When you think back on their relationship in your upbringing, what lessons of all the things they've taught you,

both your mom and your dad. What are some of the biggest lessons each of them taught you? Wow. So many. Starting with my mother, she really was this unbelievable role model for what a working woman could be. Almost in mythological terms, you know, she was impossibly glamorous while also being a working woman at a time when there were many, many more barriers, much higher expectations for both her in a boardroom context, much less forgivable absences for a school play or a doctor's appointment, but also a working woman at a time when other mothers would often look down on that. So she was straddling challenges that feel familiar to many of us, but in a different way because it was a different time. And she really showed me that I could pursue my dreams. and be in a professional capacity and be a great mom. I used to go to her every day after school, and she was the CEO of the Plaza Hotel, the iconic hotel in New York, and I'd go with her on walks, and it was literally like a more well-behaved Elieza at the Plaza. I'd run behind her and just watch her do her thing.

And my father was the same. There was never explicit instruction. I kind of wish I'd gotten a little bit of that, like sort of sitting me down and saying, this is how I like to be, this is how I conduct myself, did you notice this? It was purely observational. So they never jammed it down our throat, you know, come and work with us in this capacity. But if we were curious and if we were interested, like they would always want us around. So I would spend my weekends on construction sites just trailing behind. And you learn a lot like that. But I remember my mother, her attention to detail is second to none. Like it was amazing. And you could see that in the way she she carried herself and like moved through the world, but also in the development projects and construction projects

she managed. And later on, oversaw, I remember once when I couldn't have been older than six or seven. And part of me thinks that this isn't even a real memory, that it was a dream because it's too fantastical. But I remember going to visit her at the Trump Castle, a casino in Atlantic City, that she ran. And we walk into the lobby, and as casinos have, they have, you know, the whole ceiling is covered with chandeliers. And we get on the escalator, and she points like one perfectly lacquered finger up to the sky and doesn't even tilt her head at least. least in my memory, and says to the general manager, there's a light ball bout. And I'm like, whoa. And I'm like, and I look up and it's like more lights than there are stars in the sky. I'm like, where, which one? I'm like, is she, is there even a light ball bout? Like, that's funny.

But like that level of crazy detail was my mother. She's also so funny, too. There was, I feel like there was like this energy where she didn't take herself so seriously. Oh my goodness. Which was like, She's so glamorous. She doesn't take herself so seriously, but then she's such an editor and curator. She was probably very disruptive for all these men. Oh, yeah. I can imagine. Well, I told you. It's not uncommon because I developed quite a number of buildings myself. It's not uncommon to have generational people in the trades. And I'd meet a grandson who's, I'd meet somebody on a job site who was the grandson of somebody who'd worked with my grandfather, whose father typically seldom at the mother, worked with my mother. And I'd hear these crazy stories about how they'd hear her feet on like the concrete slab that had been poured three days earlier. She'd hear the heels and know she was coming. So she was just remarkable person. But I think to your point, she was very funny. Yeah. I mean, she, one of the most underrated things about my father is a sense of humor. I don't think it's underrated at all. I think he's one of the funniest people are starting to get it.

How well? But for a long time, like people didn't quite get it. I got it. But my mother was exactly like that. And she made him look piecey. So she was like, it was a wild household I lived in, but she would say exactly what she was thinking, always, much to my chagrin as a child. Why I believe you is I told you when we spoke on the phone that we have a mutual friend with Nikki Haskell.

Oh, yeah. And she sings your mother's praises. And she was telling us these stories years ago about how your mom would be in business settings and in the casino and how she was like the detail person. Yeah. And she would recognize like every small thing. Everything.

Everything. And, you know, you said this, in thinking about like that, that detail, the, in some ways, over the top glamour, you know, she was like glamorous in the way that the times were, the 80s, the 90s, the sense of humor. So I think a lot of that was her rebellion against the austerity of her upbringing. And she left only when she was in her early 20s. So this was really her whole childhood. I mean, she was in Prague at Charles University during the Prague Spring and the uprising. So she was skiing at the time, and she'd come back from ski meets the only people in communist countries who are really allowed to leave the country or athletes.

So they allow them to go and participate in competitions. And so she was on the then junior national team. She would tell me how she'd come back after a ski race from Austria or wherever they had gone. And she had to first, before going home, check in at the local police department where they'd interview her for two hours about her experience. You know, did you like the food? Did you like the culture? Did you like the clothing?

Testing to see if she was a flight risk. So she couldn't like it too much, but she couldn't be blasé about it to the point where they would know she was faking. So at 14, she knew she had to navigate this middle ground. She actually told me that, you know, it didn't take long before all of these people became her best friends because she came home with perfumes and pantyhose for them to give to their wives. And she's like, they left me alone. My interviews were shorter than anyone. But like, as a 14-year-old, she was navigating this. And I think that's why when she got to America, she was so unapologetic about saying whatever she wanted to, wearing whatever she wanted to. And I think that's why, you got,

she really, really reveled and embraced that freedom. When she came here, at what point did she meet your father, and then at what point did they have kids? And tell me, just so I know who were, who was first? My older brother Don, so I'm the middle child. So how did that meeting go? Depends who you ask. Okay.

Because I read it in her book, but I just, what I'd like to know from you? They had a pretty short and intense courtship. And, you know, she was skiing in Canada at the time and modeling and skiing up there. And she had come to New York as part of a group promoting the Montreal Olympics. So they met it, I think it was Maxime's, the sort of famous 80s restaurant and hit it off almost immediately. But, you know, they both tell some version of a hilarious story when they first went skiing together. And he didn't quite know how good she was at the time.

which is kind of amazing that that didn't come up in conversation, but he didn't know she was as good as she was. So he had gone out in the first few days. She hadn't been feeling well. So she stayed at home and he had gotten a couple lessons. I was feeling really like good. He's like, well, you know, I got a couple of lessons. I'm doing well.

I'm going to show her how to do it, day three. She comes on the mountain. She starts to ski. She's gone. Like she was, I don't think I turned until I was 15 years old because she wasn't one of these people to wait for you. So she did two turns and was at the bottom of the mountain. He's halfway up with his ski boots.

So he jokes about how he took. He couldn't figure out how to get his boot out of the binding. It was only his third day. And he was so frustrated. He took off the whole boot, still in the binding, and like sent it down the mountain and walked up to the lodge. And it took him like another three months before they skied together again or another season, whatever it was. But she was very athletic. Very, very.

Her father was also a great athlete. He taught her how to ski. They had no lifts, so they'd have to carry their skis on their back between each run. They'd walk up the hill. So any time I complained about it being cold, you know, in Aspen. Yeah. My mother would be like, get out there. Your first tracks, you're not off, like short hot chocolate breaks.

Otherwise, I'm making you walk up the skill with your ski. Yeah, up the hill with your skis. Do you think there's hope for you? We're going to get you. I think so. We've had some rough goes on the slopes. I've taught many of my friends. I'm not above putting my skis,

you'd be like, I don't really like her. I think you'd be like, I don't know about her. She turns to do a bit of a different person on the ski slope. It's a bit jarring, to be honest. I've thrown poles at him. Crying.

Have you ever done the hook where you hook the back of their jacket? I try. I've done all. I've hit you in the face. I mean. But similar, she throws the boots off and the skis on the middle of the slope and everything starts flying down. It's so good. I want to see. I want to see.

Oh, I want to see that. It's embarrassing. When was the momentum in your career started? Like, what was the first thread where you realized you were entrepreneurial? And I almost think, like, go back, because I remember seeing a video of you modeling, walking down the runway when you were very young, like back back. You know, it's always been really core to me. I was always conceptualizing the businesses I would create or dreaming of the buildings that I would build. It actually was more rooted in real estate early on in my life. But I always had, you know, something I was creating and selling to my friends or solutions I was trying to provide for them. So I would say it's always been since my earliest memories.

That's always been a big part of my life. And, you know, I find innovating to be really inspiring. I like problem solving. And I think when you're building businesses or you're sort of putting yourself in a space where you're identifying solutions for problems that haven't been devised yet, it's just fun.

Like you can do. And I think of stuff all the time that I'm never actually going to do, but I feel like it creates a certain flexibility to your thinking. And it's a good skill. I play this game with my kids all the time where I'll ask them if you could invent one thing

that doesn't exist, what would it be? And I get the funniest answers. It's a good game. It's fun because they really like they have, you know, just with my son, Theo, it's always something relating to football. So, but it's, it's cute to see sort of what they see as sticky points in their own, you know, lives and sometimes really like almost comical and sometimes like brilliant solutions they apply towards it. Our son would just bring back the dinosaurs. That's all he would do. That's right now. You know, there are, I've spoken to a few companies that are,

basically seeking to do this. They're creating through DNA. They're bringing plants and animals back from extinction. This is actually happening. I feel like if they bring back the friendly ones. They're doing it with like a woolly mammoth and like a dodo bird right now. That sounds like Jurassic Park. It's wild. And I feel like we've all seen the movie, so to speak. You really have to be careful. We've seen The Terminator. We've seen Jurassic Park. We know what could happen here. So your company that you launched a while back was incredibly successful. And I told you this on the phone. I cannot believe how entrepreneurial you are. How did you have that idea and how did you put it into action and execute it and make it so successful? It actually arose pretty organically. I met my first

of 11 different partners in my fashion and accessories brand on a real estate deal. He also was in real estate and but his primary business was was fine jewelry. So we started talking about at the time how there was really no retail experience for self-purchasing women. And so many of us didn't want to wait for anniversaries or Christmas or Valentine's Day to buy ourselves a bracelet we really loved with our hard-earned paychecks. So we started talking about how we would create an experience that really catered towards that working woman who was a self-purchaser. And that was the beginning. And it started with fine jewelry. And then we launched footwear and we had some great shoes. It is not uncommon for me to have three people stop me in a day and tell me that they've resold the shoes 10 times because they

miss them so much. They were chic and comfortable and excessively priced and amazing. And then we went into apparel and we did some great dresses and coats and sunglasses and fragrance and handbags and the whole gamut. So it grew to be a very big business, but it really was just a response to a need that I saw in the marketplace. You'd look at what people were wearing during the workday and it was super non-aspirational. Like nobody was snapping a photo of like the outfit that they were wearing from Anne Taylor going into the office. And nothing felt multidimensional. So, you know, I wanted to have a dress that I put on in the morning, that I could drop my kids off at school in, that I could go to the office and feel confident and look professional, and that afterwards I could

go on a date with my husband or be sitting on the floor of, you know, my kids' room playing blah. It's like something that could take me through the day and help me feel confident in, in all of the dimensions in which I existed. So we set out to do that and it was great. It really was like lightning in a bottle. We ended up growing the business. We were doing hundreds of millions of dollars in sales annually at the time I closed it down when I went into government. And it was.

Can we force you to close it down? An amazing experience. Well, it was, you know, in accordance with the Office of Government Ethics. They basically look at every asset you have, every business you have and tell you, what they believe you should do with it to avoid a conflict of interest. And then you have to do those things if you want your form to be certified. And you can't work unless it's certified. So you have these third parties that have to certify your financial statements annually. So they went through everything and said, you have to sell this. You have to put this in trust. You have to divest. You have to

whatever their litmus test. And I did it. So that was part of. Is that hard for you to do? Or was No, so I initially put it into trust, and I had an incredibly capable group of people who were operating it. I could have no involvement whatsoever. But it's very hard to put something in a holding pattern for a number of years. So when it became clear to me that I was staying four years, to have a business where you've put boundaries on it where it can't grow anymore, you can't do new deals, you can't, I can't promote it, obviously, I can't have any transparency into it. It's, it's, just felt like, you know what, this feels like I'd prefer, I always prefer to end things on a high note. And four years without, in a very static place, I think would have been anticlimactic for me. Plus, I also realized that, you know, coming out of government, my life would be so different. And I'd want new challenges. So, you know, I'm always looking forward. That was an amazing phase of my life. And, you know, at the same time I was building that business, I was spearheading most of the major construction and development projects we had at the Trump Organization. So I was redeveloping

the old post office in Washington, D.C., which is an iconic and beautiful asset right on Pennsylvania Avenue. I was rebuilding. I had bought and was spearheading the redevelopment of Trump Durell in Miami, which is hundreds of acres right in Miami. It was five golf courses. We sold one of them, so now it's four and over 700 hotel rooms, soup to nuts, redevelopment. So I had a lot of different things on my plate, but going through four years where I had to completely separate from my life, including the city I grew up in, New York City, everything. It's this interesting sort of wall that you have to create. When you come out, suddenly you're like really untethered.

And for me, it was a time of amazing introspection rather than I think the tendency to just like go back to what you know and reconnect old wires. know, rejoin our family business or relaunch something I'd previously done or anything. I really took a lot of time to think about, okay, what have I learned in the last few years? What did I learn during that period of time? What am I most passionate about? And what do I want this next chapter of my life to look like? So it's been, it's really been a time of prioritizing my curiosity and, and and thinking forward while simultaneously just going super deep with my kids because I recognize they've always been my top priority, but my time in service was really, it was really challenging

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But when your dad became president the first time, what was that shift like for you? Because I imagine that overnight, everything kind of changes. Where you always had the public kind of platform, but now it's a much different kind of platform. Yeah, very different, extremely different. And it was also a very emotional time. So people were sort of processing the experience for the good and for the bad and in very individual, unique, sometimes highly counterproductive ways. But it was a time of extraordinary personal growth for me and learning. You know, I had been exposed to extraordinary things in business and in travel and in life. But there are communities that I never were. would have visited. There were issues that I never would have internalized and understood,

people I never would have met. So I really think in retrospect, I was able to break free of a bubble that I didn't even know that I was in of the sort of Upper East Side of New York. Can you give us a specific example of something that was really like crazy for you to see while you were in office that you helped with? Maybe at some initiative that you worked on. Yeah, I think there's a big misunderstanding of the role that you played in the administration the first time. Maybe not a misunderstanding as much as a misconception and maybe a lack of knowledge. Yeah, so, you know, the way I viewed it is you have unlike what you're building here, you know, where you build for longevity, you build, you have a finite period of time to have impact. And you think about that every day.

And that's part of why the balance is so hard because you know it's sand through an hourglass. So when my father was elected, I had no intention of service. And he came to me and my husband and he asked for us to go with him. And this was not what I had set my life up for. I loved the life I was building. Our young family in New York had an eight-month-old son when we arrived in Washington and two children not that much older. I had businesses I was building.

The trajectory of my life felt really exciting. Like I was at that place now where I'd laid the foundation and it was growing. But there was no world in which I was. I could imagine 40 years down the road, having sort of put my head in the sand, said no, continued doing what I was doing, and not looking back with regret that I hadn't helped. And, you know, I had very specific things I was passionate about that he empowered me to run after. And I did. And I feel a tremendous sense of privilege for having been given the opportunity.

I'm so happy that Jared and I were able to be there to help him. You know, this time it's so different because so many people are raising their hands. And I'm so grateful to them. You know, we were like the pioneers. And he really, he knew no one in Washington. And, you know, I'd worked with him at that time over a decade. And he trusted my ability very much to help him execute. And of course, Jared.

So, you know, I really wanted to figure out a way to help working families, especially working women and lighten their load. I saw firsthand. You know, my team was comprised mainly of young women. And I know the supports that they needed and I need to be able to do the thing that we love and pursue our professional dreams. And for many more, it's far more existential than that to be able to put food on the table. And so I went down to Washington with that goal, and I was incredibly focused on policies. Like I fought like hell to double the child tax credit and was really proud at the end of my first year to have accomplished that in tax cuts.

And that benefited 40 million American families over $2,500 a family on average. So that is exciting and meaningful. We were able to do even pre-COVID. Obviously, we accelerated it during COVID, but the largest ever block grants to the states for child care support for working families, which was incredibly meaningful in terms of creating access to safe, nurturing, and affordable child care. for families across the country. I did a lot on workforce vocational education and policies surrounding job skill acquisition, working with the private sector to commit to reskilling mid to late career workers, as well as to commit to upskilling young workers to fill the vacancy that employers know

before the government which technologies they're investing in that are going to automate certain jobs out of existence. So I felt like it was our role in, with the bully pulpit we had at the White House to really call on the private sector to like step up and to help reskill workers into the jobs they so desperately needed. I mean, the economy was at this point just soaring. So an amazing statistic at one point,

this was right pre-COVID, 72% of all new jobs were coming from outside of the workforce, not even unemployment because the unemployment numbers were so low. So it was people really getting an opportunity to work, who had been totally marginalized. They had either taken themselves out of the economy or had been out of the workforce so long they didn't count in the numbers.

So what is the employee, all of these business leaders who are saying, we need more workers, we need more workers, what's their role in creating programs that can help skill those people that are on the sidelines? So over 15 million commitments were made by the private sector as part of this pledge to America's workers.

I did a lot on human trafficking, which is something that I did not go to D.C. with the intention of advocating for I knew very little about. But in the early days of my being in the White House, I took a meeting. And once you're exposed to the horror of human trafficking, I mean, there is no greater human rights violation. When you get in that position or in that role, are you immediately flooded with information that you just don't have access to as a regular citizen? You are. Like, your aperture goes like this. Yeah. And I think that's, you know, what I've spent a lot of the last few years, just backing entrepreneurs, I believe in and feels

that I never would have even understood because you just learn, even if it's not part of your portfolio, you're exposed to so much in terms of what's happening in synthetic biology, quantum computing, you name it, that being in fashion and real estate in New York, you may not have otherwise dug into. So I feel like my world just widened. materially. And not because those were the things that I was necessarily spearheading, but you learn and you become close with your colleagues and they share that which they're passionate about. And it was, so it was an extraordinary period of growth. But I think going back to the original question, I think where I changed the most and where I expanded the most was just meeting more

people that represented different facets of American, American life and the American experience. And that to me is something that I'm so grateful for. And, you know, I, because I was somewhat well-known when I traveled, I would really meet people and they'd come to me and share their stories. And one of the unique things about being in that position is people will tell you in 40 seconds. You may meet them for a minute passing through an airport or in, you know, at the end of a roundtable, and they will share with you their greatest fears, their biggest hopes, their most intimate secrets, things they haven't told their spouses, things they haven't told their children in this short period of time. And it hits hard. I think made me, I hope made me. And first off,

being a parent makes you more empathetic. It should, at least, I think. But this really opened my mind in a tremendous way. You mentioned that you worked with your father before the White House. What are the traits that you and Jared bring to your father that compliment his? Like what would he, he obviously wanted to keep working with you. Yeah. So what are those traits that he loves about you? Well, the Secret Service nickname Jared the mechanic.

Wow. Because he is an unbelievable problem solver. You know, he sees the world. That's great for you. Yeah. It's phenomenal. Yeah, and this does not just apply to geopolitics. It applies to all facets of life, including working the coffee machine.

That's most important. Very importantly. But, you know, I think that for both of us, we're really good at execution. So when we run at something, we tend to get there. My father saw that in me, having worked directly with me. You know, as years past, he put himself in the position that is every parent's dream when they're at the helm of a family company where he could really step back and focus on that which he enjoyed doing, knowing that all else was incapable hands. So he started really focusing on golf. He loves to play golf. So he would design the golf courses. And I would spearhead the acquisitions of the projects and the redevelopment of them. And I would come to him for advice and guidance and with a lot of humility around what I don't know. And I think he recognized in me that I was unafraid to say, I don't understand. I don't know. It's part of my process of learning by asking the right people,

a lot of questions. And so I think he recognized that I had the ability to know what I didn't know and that I had a sort of drive and dogged commitment to accomplishing goals that has always been helpful to him in business and he thought it would be so in politics as well. Same with Jared. When you were doing all of that, how did you think about health, beauty, all these different things, because you're doing such a crazy job. Oh, no, I was like vitamin D deficient. Yeah, I was like, I look back at these pictures. I'm like, oh my gosh, I don't think I saw sunlight for four years. I exercised to me at that point in time was going on a weekly run with Jared on Saturday mornings or chasing the kids around the house in the evening.

So I think I had a good base in that I was never a gym person, but I loved sports. So sports have always been this huge part of my life. What sports do you like besides skiing? So I love skiing. I love surfing, but that's a recent sport. I just love it. There's a few things I enjoy doing more.

I like racket sports. So I grew up playing tennis, but now in Miami everyone's into Padell. and I have friends who are into pickle. I play that less, but it's sort of fun and social. I most recently got into juditsu, courtesy of my daughter, Arabella, who I'm just so in awe of because she's now 13, but at 11, she came to me and said, you know, as a woman,

I feel like I need to know how to defend myself, and I don't have a confidence level yet that I can do that. Can you get me, can you sign me up for a second? self-defense class. And my jaw just hit the ground because at 11, I don't know what I was doing. I was like thinking about boys or something. I have no, but I was not thinking about being able to physically defend myself. And so I thought it was the coolest thing. So I called a few friends and I asked for recommendations. And I got a recommendation for these brothers in Miami, the Valente brothers who are amazing. And I started driving her to these classes. She started asking me to join.

I joined. Then my two sons wanted to do what their older sister was doing. Then my husband joined. It's supposed to be really good for kids, right? It is good for everyone. And it's like multiple things I like. So it meshes physical movement. It's almost like a moving meditation because the movements are so micro. It's like three dimensional chess, you know, everything. And now it's funny. Like I'll watch like ultimate fighting. And you see some of these moves are so subtle and they'll like break out of a whole. It's like fun to watch it now having just sort of a bait. You can start going to the matches. I'm like a blue belt. So I'm not yeah I'm not really knowing what's going on but I'm just felt. I don't want Lauren to learn because she could fold

me into a pretzel and I can't have that. I don't think that's the last thing I have I have a feeling Lauren you could already do that. I could do a lot of things. Yeah, I got a lot of things. And you may not always not want her to do that. Yeah, that's true. I am careful to you. You may be folded into a pretzel today. Yeah, let's see what happens. I'm good right now. I'm It's actually good. It's fun. You guys would love it. And it's, it like satisfies both, there's like a real spiritualism to it. Like it's the, the, the grounding in sort of samurai tradition and culture and wisdom. I love philosophy. I would say one of the core parts of my life. And we were talking before about like knowledge acquisition. I've always loved reading philosophy. I use it as sort of a guide for life generally. And I find judicistu combines physical movement and philosophy in an amazing way. You're selling me on it. You know, it's funny because I box when I was younger.

And I don't regret it because you learn a lot. But I don't think it was the best. I got a problem with the septum and nose has been broken. Probably because I wasn't good enough. But I like jujitsu for kids because it feels like a competitive way to do combat sports. But without doing the damage that someone like myself did when I was young. Does that make sense? Oh, 100%.

Like I don't think it's necessarily the best thing for kids to take a bunch of... Yeah, and it's also, you know, boxing, there's a reason why people wear gloves, because if you actually punch someone in the face, you'll break your hand. So I think what I love about juditsu is, at least the discipline we practice, is it's very focused on extracting yourself from a situation and then doing harm only if you need to. So I like the fact that in theory, I've not been challenged where somebody, confronted me that having these skills make you less likely to get into a fight, not more likely to. Don't mess with you. There's no like aggressiveness. It's like once you have a confidence that

you can sort of move out of a situation, there's a real focus on elevating awareness, which I think, like, I walk through New York and I'm like shocked every day when I make it 10 blocks and somebody on my left or right hasn't been hit by a car. You know, nobody looks up. Everyone's on their phone. There's like a complete lack of awareness. And by the, by the, way, I'm guilty of this myself, but there's, I think this, like, having an awareness of what's happening around you is super important and it's instill. We did an episode with our friend who's a former SEAL, who's on the dev group, and we were talking all about just the basic safety of just being aware. Yeah. Like, of all the other things, you know, self-defense and security and all that,

basically just being aware of what's around you. I always find it so crazy when, you know, you see these videos of people just getting like nailed in the streets or pushed. It's like, all they have to do is just like look up. Yeah. Look around, you know. And, and we're getting worse in this regard, not, not better for sure. Okay, so when you guys come to Miami, which hopefully you will, I'll take you to the studio. I would love it. If you bring your kids, we'll, we'll bring all the kids and we'll do a little class together. Oh, that's going to be interesting with my daughter. Oh, she'll love, like, Arabella walks, she loves the fact that she has the capability of like flipping a 250-pound grown man. That's pretty cool.

It's very cool. It is cool. The only problem for me is she's constantly like flipping her brothers. And they're like eager recipients of her attention. So she's 13. I have an 11 year old son Joseph and we have an 8 year old Theo. I want to go back to after you left the White House and you started implementing all these different things.

What were the other things you implemented? I know you started weightlifting too. When you got out of that chapter, what was like sort of your wellness, health list? Well, I think I just did like a recalibration across the board where I said, you know, this is super unusual to be 39 years old and to find yourself untethered to the past in the sense that I had to leave all my businesses, everything in order to serve. I was in a different city.

And so now you come out and you're as free as one can be at this point in their life with all of this experience. So sort of where do I want to aim my attentions going forward? There were professional goals, of course, but my primary goals were just to, like, be the best freaking mom I could be. You know, every time I had to miss something, I'm like, I will never let this happen again the minute I leave the White House. It's hard. It's because the demand was so high when you were there? It's hard.

And you, I mean, I did the best I could. And I think I was there for all the really critical moments. But, you know, you don't want to miss the small ones either, you know. And so I learned through that process. and part of the reason, you know, the main reason I am not going back to serve now is I know the cost and it's a price that I'm not willing to make my kids bear. Have people giving you pushback for that for not coming back? Oh, I mean, I get the question a lot.

And there's also like a lack, there's both people I served alongside of and also people who are just incredulous to how could you not, you know, which to me it's, It really feels like it's very easy to make a decision when it aligns around your core values. And my highest most core value is family. And my kids were much younger. So it was easier to not be present. But when you have kids that are teenagers, about to be teenagers, your physical presence matters so much. It's crazy that you have to justify it to people to me. Well, you know, I don't because I just tell them like, that's, you know, that's them.

not me. So I feel super great about this decision. Well, I think people can empathize with the price you have to put on your children and your marriage and your family to go back and you've already served and your kids are young. And that's why I'm so grateful for all the people who are serving. Because I know

how hard it is and how taxing and every one of them will do their best to balance it all. But it is hard. There's another element though for me. I love policy and impact. I hate politics. And unfortunately, the two are not, you know, there is a darkness to that world that I don't really want

to welcome into mine. To some degree, I'm, you know, at the center of the storm because my father is about to be president, but it's a very, it's a very dark negative. And some people love, like, the gladiator aspect of it. You know, the fight that that was never me. You know, I really did love the impact, especially as time went on, and it wasn't theoretical. Like, people would walk up to you and say, you know, the child tax credit or the fact that I was able to advocate successfully for getting paid family leave for our federal workforce, the largest employer in the country, or the first national paid family leave tax credit, or things like this that people benefit from, and they tell you that. And it feels really good. But I also,

now recognize, like, there's so many ways to have impact. I mean, most of the compassion work happening in the world is being done outside of government. I also, and, you know, when you take, like, ambition and ego and all these things out of it, like, I'm just not a believer that, you know, impacting one life in your community matters less than doing things with greater scale, you know, both for your own heart and, like, for the world. So I think there are a lot of sort of micro ways you can impact, just, you know, volunteering locally with your kids, setting a good example for them. And I'm so proud of the frequency in which they want to volunteer with me. And it's their idea, you know, as opposed to mine and how it's become internalized as part of our life as a family.

And then there are huge things, huge ways you can catalyze positive change through work in the private sector. So I think the impact I really loved and hopefully, I'll live a life that continues to be impactful, regardless of where I do it. I went through years of craziness, and I've never become cynical about, like, I think the fundamental goodness of people. And I really do think most people are good people who want to work hard, provide for their families, live a good life, have peace and come, make a positive contribution. Like, that is most people. I think just for a while we weren't hearing from them. You know, they were busy building their lives and their families. and those of us in the public domain were hearing from the outliers.

And I really think that's started to change. Again, I'll get shit for this, but I think as a society, we gave way too much voice to people that were causing harm. Meaning, like, there was a lot of people that were screaming and yelling about a lot of negative things that we just paid way too much attention to. And I think people are now like, hey, if you walk around on the street as a normal person, you don't see these kind of people out in public. They exist in corners of the internet where for whatever reason we were paying way more attention than we should have.

And I kept saying like it's interesting running a media company but also doing a show. The high majority of people that write in are very positive, nice people. And the people you meet normally are very positive. It's very rare that you meet some of these crazy people, called lunatics actually, that are screaming and yelling about God knows what. And the problem is we are platforming those voices way too often. So I think people are now like, okay, enough with that. Don't you think with what you've experienced, too, there's some kind of exposure therapy where you've been exposed to so much that you almost have this muscle of resilience that you wouldn't have had if you didn't get exposed to that? You become a little bit calloused, but, you know, I think it's for sure. I mean, if you're

internalizing that as real, that's a recipe for disaster. I don't think there's longevity to that. So I think you have to build the skill to tune out that noise. I also just think about, you know, I chose, and it was at like the most volatile time. I made a conscious effort just to like live in alignment with my own values and not allow like the outside world to tell me how I should be and what I should be. And for me, it doesn't feel right to be combative with a stranger on social. It's just not who I am. And so I took a lot of punches that I just absorbed and didn't punch back on. Sometimes I really wanted to because I had like a zinger. I'd even write it out. But at the end of the day, I never press send. And I always felt good about that. And I now look like I try to live my life in a way that models for my children, how I want

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Again, visit seedlipdrinks.com to learn more. At this point in your life, Ivanka, how do you think about time? I'm so interested to hear this from you because you're juggling so many different balls. Yeah. So, you know, we were talking before about sort of balancing all these things. And I think instead of balance, I like to think about my life through the lens of my priorities and have really clear priorities that I maintain integrity around. And so rather than balance,

because we all know, like, your child gets sick one day, there goes balance. Right. Like, it doesn't matter that you had a big presentation at the office. Like, if your kids home with a fever, like, done. And so it's very, like, it can be defeating to maintain something with, by nature, tips as the scales of life will cause to happen. But if you're living in alignment with your core priorities, I think then you can have, like, a bigger picture way of looking at the life that you've architected for yourself. So, you know, for me, first and foremost, it's my kids. It's my family. Now, increasingly, it's, you know, about taking care of myself so I can better take care of others. And that includes

fitness and nutrition. And we were talking about how I didn't have much of a regimen before. And now I look at my day and I think about the scaffold. Like, what are the sort of scaffolds for my day that I know I need? I want to exercise every day. You know, I want a resistance train. I I want to eat well. So knowing that I want to do those things and knowing that those are best done for me in the morning, like, that is part of my life. And that's part of how my day. And that's part of how I choose to allocate and prioritize my time. I also know I want to be there with my kid at the dinner table. You know, on the weekends, three meals a day. On the weekdays, I cook breakfast. We don't have anyone who lives in with us. So I get them up. We make them breakfast. What do you cook? Well, I should have said that Jared cooks the most successful breakfast. He makes breakfast. He makes breakfast. pancakes. Wow. Really great pancakes like every other morning. I tried to make French toast the other day. And I'm actually like a decent cook, but because he was traveling as, I don't know if you're experiencing this yet, but like they can be brutal to me when I don't do something as well as their

father. So my kids just looked at my, I tried to make this French toast and then I was getting my son's lunch ready. I forgot about it. It burnt. And I heard for the next 20 minutes how my French toast will never compete with their dad's pancakes. I'm going to give you a French toast recipe. And it was so unfair. I'm going to give you one. I would like a French toast. Thank you.

It's from the rock. And then, I stole it from him. Okay. Yeah. You can find it. But I think I'm sure it's protein packed. It's all the bread.

No, it's not actually protein packed. It's the exact opposite. It's not. It's his cheat meal that he does. But it's the bread that matters. You have to get, that's like the main thing. It has to be a little bit stale, like a few days old. Let us sit down a little bit.

What I've always been like, so how long do you soak? for because this is like a big thing. We had a debate with the kids like do, you don't want it to be soggy but you need to be soaked enough that it goes through. That's why you got to get the brioche and then you, I'm sure people are going to love this. And then you put it in and you flip it once twice

and you give a little squeeze and then it kind of absorbs and you throw it on it. I don't overthink this like this. You guys should see me make French toast. It's pretty efficient. I think every dad should know like at least a pancake or a French toast. I have a buddy, this is too much information that he'll even

bring a girl on a date. And if it goes well and she's there the next morning, he'll do a buckwheat pancake. It's always a hit. So you know if you did the buckwheat pancake, that was good. So if they get like the oatmeal or the blueberry, it's like, if you don't get the buckwheat pancake, it's probably not going to, it's not going to last. So, oh my gosh, you know there's somebody out there listening who like had a buckwheat pancake this morning. It is like, I wonder. But yeah, I think you could do the same thing. So you cook sometimes for your kids breakfast and it's French toast. What are you eating for breakfast? Huh? I've got a shake. I'm like sort of a morning alchemist. I've got all these things that I've been told over the year that are good.

She's going to make you give the details. Throw them in and it's, it's, I would say it's a living or, it's like a work in progress. Okay. We want to hear. Like I learned recently that creatine, which I had been dumping and sometimes I make it the night before because really like the morning, we're like fast and furious. I get my kids up and we have a half an hour to get them all up for them to get dressed, for them to come down, for them to have breakfast, which we're making before I drive them to the bus. So it is like, when people ask me about my morning routine starts after, I've dropped the kids off.

Okay. Like, I'll brush my teeth before them, but it's really like, I wake them up, run downstairs. And then while something's cooking, I'm like doing cleanup with like the inevitable one or two children that decided not to get out of bed the first time. I came a knocking. So mornings are super chaotic. And they go to the bus so early that I actually, it's. It's still quite early when I get home from dropping them off.

So that's when I, you know, I'll work out and I'll do things for myself. I'll actually drink the shake that I've made for myself. What's in the shake? We've got to know the shake. So a lot of protein. Okay. So I try to get, I think, something that has been a massive change for me since I moved to Miami. I started prioritizing exercise.

And initially that took the form of yoga and Pilates and these things that I had done at various points in my life. But now I had the ability, because I was on my own schedule, to make the more consistent and a more regular part of my life. So I started doing that. And then gradually I started doing more resistance and weight training. And that's when I saw a massive difference. My whole body changed. I felt... I'm just doing a little Instagram story about weight training. It distracts me. She throws me off sometimes, so I'm like, what's going on? I'm like, what I do? Do I smile? But that's when I really noticed a massive change for me. And my body composition fundamentally changed.

I got stronger. I got leaner. And I could kind of get away with it because I'm really tall. So I could look lean, even if I wasn't strong. And yoga and Pilates is while I enjoy them a lot more, to be honest, than resistance training. I was not able to develop muscle through them. And I really needed this. And I don't know if it's because of I'm tall.

I don't know if it's, but it's... No, everyone needs to resist. Yeah, it's been life-changing. It's like, it's one of the biggest topics on this show is incorporating resistance training, especially as you start to age because you've got to keep the muscle on. And really basic stuff, you know, like I'll look in the gyms and people are doing incredibly complicated things. I found what works for me is like the simple stuff. Like pushes, pulls, hinges, deadlifts.

And, and again, I don't really enjoy doing it. Like, I enjoy going for walks. I enjoy playing sports. I really enjoy Pilates in yoga. But I have seen such a transformation in terms of my health. But I can't mention that without saying the protein element, because it's that pairing of protein and resistance training and weightlifting that I think, like for a while I was doing weightlifting and I still was not consuming nearly enough protein.

And I was not seeing the change. It's when I married those two things that I started noticing a difference. In my shake, typically the morning is like, I'm just like, I want to get to the races. And it's also the time of like self-care and my self-care is not. I'm not going to sit down and make myself a big breakfast. That's not where I choose to allocate the time. I want to be, you know, get a workout in or go for a walk, meditate. So I try to make my own breakfast as quick and as impactful as possible.

So I do protein. I do things to make it taste good, you know, banana, cacao. I put in creatine, which I just recently found out is not water soluble. It's not sort of stable in water. So I was putting it in the night before, which it actually morphs into something else after around 10 minutes. So now I'll notice, I'll be in the gym and these really, like, really jacked people. I'll see them, and they're like raw doin.

They're like throwing. I piss when I do that. But that's how you do it. They'll throw it in their mouth. Just suck it down with some water. And I'm watching. I don't mind sit in a water bottle for like... It doesn't work anymore.

Lauren, I told you. Oh, my God. It becomes, and you're, somebody on the internet's definitely correcting me, but it becomes like Creoleon. It's something that sounds the same, but doesn't, it doesn't get it down. So you have to drink it right away. You have to, right away. I love that she used the term raw dogging the creole.

We're going to pull that. But yeah, that's how you do it. You take the big scoop. That's going to be the headline. But I looked at these people, I'm like, this person like, really like, I mean, talk about like bare bones. Like, they can't even make themselves a morning, they're like, throwing powder into their mouth.

Like, it's next level. We're going to get you there. But you've got around 10 minutes in water. Okay. So now I have my little creatine on the side of my smoothie and I like drink it really quickly. We can get you there and then we're going to get you some PCAAs. We're going to get you some amino acids. You can put them together.

I bet you she already takes amino acids, Michael. You know, she already takes amino acids, Michael. Yeah, the gentleman you mentioned before, Gary Brocka, he told me I should start using something called perfect amino. So I have it in my gym and I put a little scoop of it into my water. Okay. That and electrolytes. So when I work out, I just take my water.

I have like a little basket. Put a little scoop of the perfect aminos. Before you leave, I'm going to give you some key on aminos. Okay. And you can try it. A lot of this is new to me. So I'm like playing around. Just put in the water.

No, you have to do it in 10 minutes, though. Yeah, but you can put the aminos in your water, whatever, from when you're training and you drink it throughout, you'll feel really good. So I don't feel anything. To be honest. But I do the research and I feel like these are, You look great. These are things, like, but I don't notice it. And thank you. But I don't notice like with creatine, with, but I see the studies and I believe that these things work. So is your sleep improving?

Because the creatine also, a lot of people don't realize it's not just good for the muscle, but it should give you better sleep. So I take a little magnesium before bed and I found that's been really nice for sleep. And you sent me this mouth tape. And I view it as, no, it's, once in a while I wake up with it like in my hair because I've like subconsciously, taking it off at night, but it's really great. Like, I view it as that night when I'm really going to spoil myself and I'm going to get into bed at 9.30 and I want the best night's sleep ever. I'll use it and it's amazing. So, like, I love it. So thank you. I got you five in your... Oh, I've got the little boxes. I think they're amazing. It's good. Do not disturb for your husband. Sleep is like... Totally. Totally. Sleep is not been a challenge for me ever. So I'm like, you know,

I'm like one of those people. I could I could fall asleep here if you gave me 45 seconds. So like sleep, I feel very blessed that even in times of a lot of stress and anxiety, I fall asleep easily. Sometimes I'll wake up and have that sort of 3 a.m. rumination that so many of us are, you know, that's when we start to get our thinking time in counterproductive. That's like 90% of the battle that was just getting good sleep, you know? Yeah. What are other things that you do wellness-wise? Like are there, do you cold, plunge, do you do anything like that, or is that off the table? No, I think all of that's amazing.

So it's not like a daily part of my routine, but I think it's incredible and can feel, I mean, coal plunging feels horrible, but you feel like some level of accomplishment. And I do feel like you, for me, I've felt like mood elevation from it and all of these things. Asana's great, steam room's great, all of that's great. But as part of my daily routine, it's pretty simple. I like to find and cultivate calm because I've at basically every phase of my life, so I've just now identified this as like the status quo. There's, you know, always a hurricane that I find myself in this. It's always so busy and active, whether that's in my role as a parent or professionally or otherwise. So, you know, things that help me with that, I think prayer is really helpful. I think being grounded in nature. So I take walks as often as I can. I was mentioning before that I love podcasts and I love.

of audiobooks and I actually make an effort when I take a walk now not to take my phone with me and not to listen to something because I really just want to sort of be with myself and reconnect and you know when I'm in beautiful areas I you know in Miami I love to walk along the ocean sometimes I'll wear a swimsuit under my clothes I don't get out of the car and I'll after I drop my kids off I'll drive to the beach totally empty and I'll jump in the ocean as the sun's rising and it feels so good. So little things like that that, like, tether me to nature are really important meditation I've been doing for years.

Is there a certain one? I've kind of tried a bunch of them, and I view them all as, like, quivers in my arsenal, right? Like, at different times, they do different things for me. So I initially learned transcendental meditation with a gentleman named Bob Roth, who is amazing and a dear friend, and we'll still sometimes do it even with each other telephonically or when he comes through town. And that's really helpful for me because it's, there's nothing to do other than sit in silence.

You're not being instructed to do anything. You have to sort of sit with yourself. And sometimes actually that's the most challenging. 20 minutes and somebody's, nobody's saying, breathe in, breathe out. You know, you just have to sit. So a lot of times I return to that because I think the discipline of not doing something

is very good for me. I've tried Chi Gong, which is like a moving meditation. I've tried breath work. I have a friend Lucas Mack, who's amazing, him and his partner, Heli, do these incredible breath routines that can be really centering and grounding, yoga nidra. So this is when I talked about before, like, I get curious about, I get curious about this too, like different ways that I can sort of physiologically control my body and control my mood and control my nerves.

and I think all of these different things serve a purpose. So I don't view it. I go in and out of different practices, but I view it as just tools I have for whatever moment I'm facing. You know, a lot of times people ask, you know, how do you deal with stress? And, you know, there's stress that is within your control and there's stress that's totally external to you.

And I think like the number one way I can deal with those things that I have little control over is just to prepare to meet the moment as like my higher self and my best self. And that's like really simple stuff. So it's like great as a cold plunges and I like it's great. More important than that is like going to bed early. Like not drinking too much if you know you need to be on and you're going through a period of like high stress, nourishing your body. Little, you know, finding moments of calm and not being over scheduled, like making carving out time for yourself to be reflective and to think. And a lot of the people I admire Most. They're not the people running from thing to thing. They're extraordinarily busy, and they

take great pains to carve out of their day an hour, two hours, and they'll sit and read, and they learn, and they're proactive around the knowledge they want to acquire and then how they want to utilize that. Charlie Munger is somebody who I've read so much of his work. I mean, he could argue for, he lived over 100 years and was one of the most busy, productive people. and he would take large chunks of his day just to learn and to read and to explore. I'm not that disciplined yet, but it's an aspiration of mine. And I do try to look at my schedule and ask myself where I'll have the time to be proactive instead of reactive. Busy's kind of overrated.

I think the nervous system is going to get the best PR in 2025. That's my prediction. I think busy and productive are not the same thing. What do you say busy for the bees? Yeah, but can I get everyone on TikTok gets mad at me. But I was like, yeah, listen, like bees work hard and ants work hard. Yeah. You know what I mean?

But I think there's, and there's people that do a lot of hard labor and really difficult things. And I'm not saying, I'm not taking anything away. But I think when people lead with how busy they are, my big question is like, well, how productive are you being with that busy is. 100%. And I think there's an awakening to this. I remember early in my career in a very sort of professional corporate setting, there would be executives in our real estate firm who would leave their jackets on their seats as they went home at night because they wanted people to think and leave their lights on. Because they wanted people to think they were there longer. Like it was an old mentality, right, that they had probably inherited from a generation prior.

What I find, like, really inspiring is not only people who can create and build, but, like, people. who have great families who are well connected to their kids who are kind. Like this this full person is what I try to emulate. And I look back at different iterations of me. And while my priorities haven't changed, my energy has. Yeah. Like I had this like hardcore working mom energy when Arabella was first born. And I think that was born out of like an insecurity, you know, that I was still so young and I was playing in the jungle of New York City real estate. And I had to be great even before I was great. And I put a lot of pressure on myself.

And I felt like I didn't give myself the sort of freedom to be comfortable in those relaxed moments. Like I was like very, I was striving a lot as one does when they're young. And I see my energy now. And that kind of ambition is so much more fully integrated into me as a human being. You know, I don't think there's anything like charming about like working so hard. You get sick that you don't give yourself enough time after. Like with Arabella, I mean, I fought hard for paid family leave in the federal government.

And we had some amazing wins on that front that delivered that policy to nine million more Americans. yet I was super uncomfortable with taking it myself. Uh-huh. I relate to that. And I was so uncomfortable. And then by the third baby, you're like, oh, my God, I just want to be at home and just be, you can't even give yourself three months. And I'm like almost, this is me being critical, but I'm almost like ashamed. I'm like, what was wrong with me?

And it was because it's one of two things. It was either I was too insecure or I hadn't built systems that could withstand my absence. Both of those were my fault. Like both of those were me not being a good leader in those. days and the fact that I felt uncomfortable, the fact that I couldn't really take the time off for myself psychologically or physically. And I'm just not that person anymore. So I'm much happier with this. So when I think about like time, you know, how we think about time. It's so ephemeral. It's the one thing. None of us can stop. I really think about living life in alignment with

my core values, my priorities. And I guess I'm at an age and a point in my life where I have the wisdom to realize, like, that's the way to be happy as opposed to living for anyone else. Well, I mean this as a real compliment to you and your family, your parents, and you and Jared, as you parent. With how busy you guys are and how much you have going on, literally at the highest levels of the world, it seems like you're all very grounded in family. And you keep that in perspective. Like, your father seems like a great father. your mom seems like she was a great mother and you guys parent. And there's a lot of people I think could get lost in the ambition of all the things that

you've accomplished and that your family's accomplished and they kind of lose sight of what's really important. Yeah. And I think your family is one of the examples of like you guys have all kind of turned out well and stayed close together and parented well and have good kids. And I think that's rare. Look, I think Esther Perel said something to the effect that the, you know, quality of your life is the quality of your relationships. And I believe in that. I think almost all sort of sadness

and happiness arises from these interpersonal relationships and those that are strong, those that aren't strong. And I think it starts with family. It starts with friends. We were talking about, like, what's self-care for me? Self-care, a big part of my self-care is staying connected with my friends, you know, just reaching out when I need them, reaching out to check. on them and and making sure that I'm prioritizing that for them and for myself and and really putting the work into these relationships that are so important in my life. I bet that it's difficult at times when you have friends for them to be able to relate to what you've gone through. I mean, it's it's like crazy what you've gone through and it's like

It's pretty crazy. You maybe have a friend for each era. You know, some of my friends are, I'm known since I was a little girl. So one of my best friends I've known her since we were in kindergarten. We went to school together. That's helpful. And she's still one of my best friends today. One of my other best friends I've met more recently.

And we relate on sort of like this spiritual level. And there's just what we talk about, like transcends like the day to day. and I feel like I have these sort of philosophical and intellectual conversations with, and it's like super nurturing for me as a human being to sort of step out of sort of the day-to-day issues and have these more abstract conversations. So I love that. But yeah, you know, it was interesting moving to Miami because when I moved from New York, which had been my home-based, my whole life, I lost a lot of family support system.

Jared's parents were really involved. They would take turns walking our kids to school on the days we couldn't do it. His mother used to fill our refrigerator. For the first 10 years we were married, she'd go on Costco runs to New Jersey. I'd get a call once a week being like, I'm going to Costco, what do you want?

And some of my friends would be like, do you find that annoying? Is she like overstepping? I'm like, I love it. Like I don't have to drive to Costco, it's great. She'd fill, and like the refrigerator at her office. So she knew every girl who worked for me, like, what they liked and she'd bring it back for a Costco.

So it was, I love my mother-in-law for so many reasons, but that was one of them. But that was like an amazing support system. And we went to D.C. and we lost that. Obviously, my father was there, but he was, you know, pretty consumed with everything going on. A little busy. A little busy. So, so that was, that was interesting. On the friend front, you know, I made these amazing friendship sort of forged in fire

because you're really like being thrown into. a lot of intensity, so you really see who will be with you in a foxhole. Did you have some that pulled back? Like, did you have some friends that had been with you before the presidency that kind of like leaned out a little bit? Well, I had, you know, what I basically told a lot of my closest friends when I went to Washington. Like, I'm like, I don't, I'm going to have the bandwidth for work and for family. And so like, I really am going to try not to be a bad friend to you for the next few years, but like give me some grace. Like, I'll be there if things are bad.

Like, I'll be the best, like, bad time friend ever. I'll be on your doorstep with, like, a box of tissues. But I may miss a lot of the celebrations in the coming years just because I know I'm like, I'm going to leave it all on the field. If you have a friend that needs some, you have a birthday, might miss a birthday. And that was true. And what I realized in coming out is like, you need the birthdays too, you know, like, you need, you need both.

I might miss a birthday and I'm only just doing this podcast. There you go. But, but yeah, there were definitely, it was not friends. I definitely had some acquaintances who, you know, their politics diverged wildly from that of my father's, and they took things personally or got overly emotional. But I'm actually really proud of the fact that like, and I think part of it was also growing up in the public eye. Like, I had a pretty keen eye for what was real. And so the people I really had led into my life over the years.

You already had a filter. Didn't surprise me. And I feel really blessed by that because I have, friends who, you know, they don't speak to half their family because the time was that emotional. But I also don't, I'm, I'm, I never judge someone by their politics. So for me, it's not a litmus test. So I would expect that back from you. So I, you know, I have friends across the ideological spectrum and I view conversations with those who disagree with me as like an opportunity to learn. I may not agree with them. I may partially agree with them. But I view that at,

as I feel like that makes you like a full human being when you have people in your life who disagree. And, you know, politics for most people, it's a small part of their life. There are a lot of other areas where you can vehemently agree. And so I focus on those. Rapid fire questions. Oh, rapid fire. Let's go. We take some water before. Yes. We've covered some ground. We have you. You guys are really great at what you do. Really, it's amazing. Michael's going to take that compliment and apply it to his own self later today.

I'm going to pull that clip and I'm going to use it as my meditation on loop. Exactly. Your daily affirmation. I'm sure you've been told it before. It's going to start with the raw dog and creatine. And I'm saying you're really good at what you do. It's going to be a loop. No, you're like amazing.

Obviously to be in this business. You have to be great conversationalist. But I feel and this has been true when I've listened to. the interviews you do. I feel like you allow people to show who they are and you're curious to get to know them. And I feel like that when I've listened to different interviews that you've done. So it's keep up the great work. I think we just like to learn about people and why people think the way they do and their backgrounds and doing this for as long as we've done it. You realize that most people come to their conclusions from a good place. And it's a lot of upbringing. It's a lot of

culture and there's a lot of family values and there's a lot of who you know and where you've been. And I think when you look at people in that way, as opposed to some like pre-judgment based on their politics or ideals, you really can get to know people a lot more and you can empathize, use the word empathy or like you empathize with why they believe or think the way they do. Most people don't have bad intention. That's what we've learned from doing the show. Yeah. Carl Jung said that thinking is hard. That's why most people judge. And I believe that. Like, it's easier to judge. And, you know, I like to listen.

I like to learn. I like to ask questions. And that sort of informs me as a human being. My dad used to say, 2% of the world thinks, 8% of the world thinks they think and 90% never think. Which one are you? I like that. I like your dad.

Not as nice of a delivery. Oh, yeah. My dad, he's a character. Favorite book you've read recently? Ooh. Oh, recently. Okay, recently. That's helpful.

So right now I'm reading something which is pushing it for me. It's outside of like my normal genre. It's like a cyberpunk sci-fi book called The Diamond Age that a friend recommended to me that's, you know, rather different. I actually recently reread sort of sci-fi or sci-fi as well, hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, which is a blast. So I've been on a little bit of a thread here, but I'm enjoying it. I also, I recently reread Jitterbug perfume, which I think I sent to you.

Yeah, you told me to read. Which is just such a wild ride. I love mythology. I love, it's just such an amazing story. And I think for years, I go through ebbs and flows, I go really hard on philosophy and psychology to some degree and history and biographies that I'll go through these periods where I just want like a, I'm like, bomb. I'll be at like the beach with like something like ridiculous like Plato's Republic. I literally did this at a water park and I'm like, why did I pack this as my only book? And I'm like, why don't I have like fiction?

So I actually have to force myself to read more fiction. And I think that's like the busy bee, like the doer, you know, that for some reason I feel like I'm accumulating a different type of knowledge in biographies. And that's like a false premise. Like I learned so much from the fiction books I read. but it's also enjoyable. Like, you get a good laugh and you can really sort of escape the world. So jitterbug perfume, I would recommend to anyone. And then there are some, you know, there are some tried and true.

A friend of mine told me how she started reading every book that was assigned to her children. And now they call it, we used to call it English. They call it language arts. And so I thought, what an interesting idea. So it's actually been really fun. So it's allowed me to revisit a lot of books. So I just read Fahrenheit 4-5-1 that my daughter was reading. My 8-year-old is reading his first novel in class, which is the one and only Ivan.

So that's been really fun because then at the table I can ask them specifically, and I remember it, not just like in broad brush. It's really, it's really interesting. And I learn what they like, what they don't like. So that's been. You can test them? Really interesting. You can be like the chapter seven, what happened? Exactly.

Exactly. Exactly. You remember the outsiders? I'm rereading the outsiders. I did. I never read the outsiders. Oh my God. I read that and I was like, okay, it's leather jackets and slick hair. That's the, that's what it is. I just read the animorphs with my son, which is. Yeah. They morph. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I remember reading those as a kid. And so I, there's like a whole series. So we read, we have this funny bedtime routine. He's, you know, my daughter at this point just like wants our space. Yeah. My middle son, he wants like a good cuddle with his dog. And my youngest son, he just will, like, he just will. like milk it for, if I gave him three hours, our bedtime routine would be three hours. My umbilical cord needs to be connected at that age too to my son. Oh my. It's, and you know, he's actually, he's so independent. He's my most independent because he's our third, but he's also like our most like cuddly and like, you know, he quite literally is our youngest, but he still has like his beds full of stuffed animals and every night we choose which stuffed animal we both get to cuddle with while we're reading. There's like every time I go on a trip, I bring back a new one, so it's piled up. We have all of these different things that I bring back, or Jared will bring back from

travels that we have to do as part of her routine. So we have a Tibetan singing bowl. We have these like chimes from Bhutan. I picked up a bell at a wedding that I went to in Mexico. And, you know, I say whenever you hear this noise, it's me loving you. And so he like rings it when I'm not there. And we do this after reading, we say our prayers together, and then I do the chime. I've got this like leaf thing, all of these wild little like noise things and they're all piled up on his bedside and we go one by one and do this routine. And it takes a long time. I would live it up until he wants to stop. I mean, they want to stop at some point at 13.

No, not at 13. We're not going to 13. Yeah. Honestly, like you wish you could make it. I was fucking get in bed with my son at 30. You're going to like maybe like 13 for a boy. You don't want to be laying in bed with your 13-year-old boy. Well, that's one of like the most interesting things about kids.

Like I feel you see in their eyes. Like when you're in that age, how old are your kids? Four and two. Four and a daughter sitting five. Okay. So you're going to start to see with your five-year-old when they start to internalize like the messages of the world around them. both your expectations, society's expectations. And it's like really interesting because it starts to happen.

I feel like most around like six, seven, eight, where they become self-conscious, how they look, hugging you in public, what they are saying. Like there's nothing more amazing to me than when a child says something completely embarrassing, you know, because they don't care. And they're not trying to embarrass you. They're not trying to hurt you. They're just saying exactly what you had said five minutes earlier or what's on their mind. They're not self-conscious about being loved and hugged.

And as they get older, they start to, you know, sort of have this imprint on them. So for me, what I think about a lot with all of my kids is how do I maintain this? And, you know, obviously they have to be growing. They can't be naive to the world. But there's something so pure about just being. If my daughter stops hugging me in public, I'm probably going to cry. For sure. It'll happen probably for like a moment.

Did you remember what we were doing at 13? You can't be laying in bed with our son of 13. Let's not tell Yvonne. Oh, I was probably right there with you. Like I said, we've covered a lot of girls. I don't know, we'll compare notes later. Wait, I have two more rapid fire questions. The rapid fire.

Your guilty pleasure. Does it have to be one thing? No. My guilty pleasure. Maybe this is a notes comparing session later. I would say, yeah, you know, I would say, obviously they're like boring answers, there's like certain types of food and that I love. It used to be like really bad reality television.

That's mine. Housewives. So I got, it became a problem though, because we don't have a lot of TVs in the house. And we have basically like two and one's in the bedroom. And my husband would lose his mind. He'd come in. He's like, I can't hear that. Like, turn off the squawking.

Like he would really. It's annoying as a side sound. You're not an active participant. He would drive him crazy. He's like, I feel. like he would say he'd like feels himself getting stupider. So he'd make me, and it was this whole thing. I'm like, why can't you just let me watch my show? So, so I kind of have stopped doing that. And I actually say it, it's not like guilty. It's kind of nice is I love like that time after your

kids are in bed and you can like just take a minute for yourself and like there are creams involved and facing, you know, I love that. It's not like a long nighttime routine, but whatever it is, it feels like really good. And that's been kind of like the substitute for me. That's my last and final rapid fire is what are your beauty tips? What are the creams you're using? What are the makeup products that you like? What are your go-toes?

So I have been using this makeup product from Estee Lauder since I was like 14 years old. And it's a concealer that it's just, I mean, and basically the tube is this big. And I've probably only gone through three bottles. Like this thing lasts forever. But it's amazing. So I love that. It's called maximum coverage. But I don't wear a lot of face makeup.

So I'll use it a little bit under my eyes. Even like when I don't need to, it's just such a part of my routine. I don't love so much foundation or things. I prefer to focus on skin care rather than makeup. So I like a good mascara, especially when I feel tired. But I feel like when my skin looks good and feels good, I feel good. So that's where I'll prioritize. And I love like serums and moisturizers and right.

Now I'm using something called C. Buckthorn oil. Okay. And it's just very moisturizing. And I love it. I am addicted to lip moisturizer. So I always have to, like, wherever I go on my bedside table, there's a lip moisturizer. My favorite one was by Glossier, thebomb.com, and they've changed the formula. So I'm like on a mission to find the original. I have a few bottles left that they- It's devastating for Glossier. Honestly, my daughter walked in, and it was like she had found, like, gold. She had two bottles, and she had found, like, somewhere in her room or whatever her back. She's like, look what I found Bob.

Somebody over there was going to scramble to get that old formula back now. This is my recommendation. Lawless lip mask. Okay. I feel like it's similar. It's like a lip mask that you wear. I just like feeling hydrated. Yeah.

So everything, like, some people, you know, don't like that I really like, especially at night, feeling moisturized. So I like the thicker moisturizers. I use MBR moisturizer. I'm a sunblock fanatic. And that's one thing that that I'm just so I have so many, I have sunblocks for every occasion. I have, you know, the heavy sunblock when I'm out doing water sports or surfing or, you know, doing something in like the hot Florida sun during peak hours. I have like that heavy zinc one that your face looks all white and even, you know, with the best formulation. It's horrible. That's good though, because then people won't recognize you and come up to you at the beach when you're trying to have. your meditation. There you go. Yeah. There you go. It's a great way. Put on Zinc. But I, you know,

the Alt-M-D is pretty good for that. So I like that. And then I have the thinner ones. There's this new sunblock called Nuda that I love for just more daily wear. You gave me one that's amazing with the caffeine in it. So that's a great sunblock. I have sticks. I have it all. So Sunblock, I'm pretty nuts about that. And I think living in Florida, that's especially, that's especially true. Quickly, I got one more. Oh, and one other product that I, like, fell in love with recently. A girlfriend of mine came out with it.

It's called John T. It's a lymphotic drain. It's like a body lotion. And that's not an area I ever, you know, I always use drugstore products. And this is relative, you know, it's relatively well priced. But it is so good and smells so delicious. And it's all these Brazilian, it's a Brazilian formulation that, like, it just, it's amazing. It's beautiful.

And we both like Isabella Grutman's jewelry. I mean, I'm wearing a ring. You were wearing that really pretty, I think it was emerald ring. Yeah. Isabella is a dear friend, and she's an incredibly talented jewelry designer and clothing designer. Yes, I just had to shout that out. I know it's not beauty. What is your one last rapid fare?

Last one, and I know we've got to get you out of here. We all got to jump. Your dad is about to become the president once again. What are you most excited about this time around compared to the first time? Well, that's a good question. Yeah, right. I mean, listen, we got. Sorry, I'm more curious about.

Not the cream. Listen, not to say I'm like, it's been years since I've been asking about moisturizer. That was great. I did take a mental note about the body cream for myself, right? But I figured I'd end with this one. So, you know, it's this ride that we've been on is so unusual. So, you know, most people who become president, they've cut their teeth on a congressional run or, you know, something state or local.

And then eventually they work up the ladder. to running for president and maybe, maybe actually being elected. So the fact that he did it on his first go, first time out of the gate, and then we had the experience the first time, then there was a four-year break. And then he's come back in with such a strong mandate. Probably greatest comeback story in maybe the history of the world. Yeah.

Maybe. It's incredible. And he's got so much energy and support and excitement. And I think the four years has really allowed him. him to calibrate, you know, how he wants to spend this next four years. And he's incredibly excited and enthusiastic. And I think about, you know, my role the first time was very different. We were like the pioneers. Nobody, nobody was really knew what to do with him as a political figure. And now there's so many capable people around him, many of whom we've worked with in the past,

almost all of whom we know very well. And so, you know, I think about in this moment how I can also support him because I know what the job is, like in a very personal way, having been by his side for four years. And it's the world's loneliest position. Yeah. The enormity of the decisions you're making on a daily basis, how transactional everyone is with you. You know, your closest friends, everyone's passionate about something. And they all want to spend the short time they have with you selling you on what they think is something good and positive and productive. for this country and the world. So it's a very lonely perch.

And I would often think about this during the first four years, but now I'm having a little distance from it. I think I'm most looking forward to just being able to show up for him as a daughter and be there for him to take his mind off things, to like watch a movie with him or watch a sports game, to know that he can be with me and be himself and just relax.

And for me to be able to, to provide that for him in a very loving way as his daughter. So that's how I'm sort of thinking about how I can best support him in this moment. But he's excited, we're excited. I think there's a general excitement in this country that has been catalyzed. And I think it will be a great four years. And the inauguration's coming up. It's coming up.

It's in a little over a week. Week from when this airs. That's true. I'm sure a lot of people already know where to find. you, but if they don't, where can they find your book, your Instagram, your Twitter, all the things? Yes, so you can find me at my handles, Ivanka Trump, and I'll be in Florida. I'll be in Florida.

And your book, Women Who Work. You can get out on Amazon. Thank you. Thank you so much for coming on the show. You're welcome back anytime. If you want to come back again to talk about more health, beauty, skin, diet, fitness tips. Thank you for doing that. You will kick Michael off.

Thank you so much, guys. You can't kick me off. Yeah. Thank you, welcome. Thank you. I'll come sit right over there. Yeah. You can be the co-host.

Let's do it. I could use a break. Interview Michael. Oh, no. Thank you. Be sure to head to shop skinny confidential.com to grab the beauty water before it sells out. That's shop skinnyconfidential.com.