The Bossticks - Jackie Schimmel On The Painful Truth Behind Pleasure & Why Everything Is Not Going To Be Ok

Starting point is 00:00:00 The following podcast is a dear media production. She's a lifestyle blogger extraordinaire. Fantastic. And he's a serial entrepreneur. A very smart cookie. And now Lauren Everts and Michael Bostic are bringing you along for the ride. Get ready for some major realness. Welcome to the skinny confidential, him and her.

Starting point is 00:00:21 Aha. Understand that you're speaking to a stranger that has no context, doesn't give a fuck about your day, doesn't give a fuck about, you know, your new cat or whatever, and you appeal to a full stranger that could live anywhere that has any interest or job or whatever, and you can entertain them, then maybe you have a shot. If you're not that fucking funny and you're not that fucking interesting and you don't have a strong voice and you're insular and you're, you know, whatever, self-indulgent, your podcast is going to suck. Welcome back to the Skinny Confidential Him and Her Show.

Starting point is 00:00:59 Today we have a liability of an episode with our good friend, one of our great friends. fellow podcaster Jackie Schimel. And she doesn't fail to deliver. What I love about Jackie, though, is there's no sugar coding. It is what it is. She's 100% herself. I appreciate it. I'm here for it, especially in this day and age.

Starting point is 00:01:20 She doesn't give a fuck. She really is the bitch Bible. She just launched a podcast with Dear Media, another one called Mind, Body, No Soul. We talk about that. She's been on Watch What Happens Live. I mean, she was the bartender, you guys. I think twice. She's an incredible writer. In fact, I found her through her blog. And she's funny. She's in on the joke. I adore her and her dog Leo. Well, in a time when everyone is so overly sensitive,

Starting point is 00:01:45 if you haven't picked this up from the show yet, we are not overly sensitive. And I hope this audience isn't either. Jackie is refreshing. She's a refreshing voice. She provides laughter, relief for people that are in on the joke like Lauren said. She doesn't sugarcoat anything. She does what she wants, says what she wants, means what she says. And to me, that is the most refreshing type of person, which is why I've such a special place in my heart for Jackie, because outside of her joining this network, Dear Media, and being one of the first shows, she's also just a badass in life and just is who she is. And I just think that's so commendable in this day and age. She's been on the podcast, our podcast four times. I've been on her podcast

Starting point is 00:02:20 four times. So we obviously have a podcasting chemistry that's really fun. This is not like an interview right now. Okay, this goes all over the place in a good way. It's like kind of being at happy hour with us and getting buzzed off 55 martinis. And we were also on her podcast. So definitely check that out because the conversation continues. With that, Jackie Schimel of The Bitch Bible is a podcast host, producer, writer, and a good time gal. She's also a professional asshole. That's her quote. So let's welcome the community college dropout Jackie Schimel to the skinny confidential, him and her show. This is the skinny confidential, him and her. Welcome to the skinny confidential him and her podcast.

Starting point is 00:03:08 My name is Shaman Jackie Shimmel. I have taken over this episode in order to enlighten you and but fuck you into spirituality. Please bring your hands to heart center. Give up on your dreams. Lower the bar. Welcome. Hello. Sorry. Listen, it's just, it's just not within me today.

Starting point is 00:03:38 It's, it, it, I was feeling it. You were feeling it? Yeah, yeah, I was just telling you off air that you told me you ordered a sound bowl off Amazon. Yeah, it sucks. Yeah, but there's something about you that kind of likes the influencey vibes. But like, you hate it. I mean, I wouldn't have a podcast without it.

Starting point is 00:03:56 Like, I have to have something to talk shit about. Yeah. I can differentiate, like, I like being. in the shit of it all. You know what I mean? I like participating, but also disparaging. What is, and admit it just right now, admit it. What is the most influencey thing that you've been influenced by, by an influencer? Ooh, and be real. Soundball's got to be kind of out there. Yeah, soundball's out there. The soundball was just a rogue Google search. It was like, I need a sound bowl. And I thought it was going to be huge. I was like, why is it $700? So I bought like the $39.99 one

Starting point is 00:04:30 and it's a polypocket size. No, you need, you. You can't do the polypocket size. You need, there's this one at House of Intuition. Okay. I have three of them. They're so beautiful. I'm not doing that. Why?

Starting point is 00:04:42 Andrew. They look big. They look bulky. I'm not going to figure out how to use them. What am I going to do? I'm going to wake up in the morning and start gonging the fucking bowls. That's what you do? I did that this morning.

Starting point is 00:04:53 And then what happens? You feel like your energy's being cleared? The frequency? It's such bullshit. It's such bullshit. I can't. The dog? Michael and me are like on.

Starting point is 00:05:01 We're like no fucking way. Let me. The dog and the baby stop everything they're doing. Yeah, because they're terrified. No, because everyone's entranced. No, they're not in trance. No, they're confused. Yeah, this is how she justified.

Starting point is 00:05:13 You're actually married to someone, Lauren, don't take this wrong way, with musical talent that could probably sit down and, like, actually, like, I guarantee you, Andrew will start, like, playing the bowls. Oh, God, that's my worst nightmare. Now I'm definitely not getting them. Get a didgeridoo.

Starting point is 00:05:25 We have one. Do you really? No way. Of course we do. Andrew knows how to play the didgeridoo. I was like, what the fuck's a didgeridoo? It's like a long flu. It's an Australian tribal instrument, I believe.

Starting point is 00:05:35 Can you send me a butcher so I can do a swipe-b? It goes like, yeah, he plays the didgeridoo. So you have to tell me what the most influential thing you have is. I know you have something. But, Lauren, admit, you don't have, you have no music. It just sounds like a bunch of banging on a bowl. Lauren's got the voice of an angel.

Starting point is 00:05:52 I was the star of the sixth grade show. What was the show? It was the Jubilee, and I was the star and saying, Girls just want to have fun. And I don't... She came out in a full blue scene. My voice is a little hoarse right now. Her dad told her it was, her dad told her she was like a real star.

Starting point is 00:06:07 She's believed it ever since. Oh, no. I sing girls just want to have fun. And you told me that you popped a boner for my blue sequent outfit. No, it was hot. I mean, listen, you were like fully. I guarantee you every single guy was standing at full attention. Taylor, how do you?

Starting point is 00:06:20 In the morning like my father says when you're going to live your life right. Oh, oh. Oh. And hold on. And the delusion is that her father told her that she, She was saying like an angel and she's believed it ever since. She's like, am I really eyelish? This is what really happens.

Starting point is 00:06:38 When Michael gets behind closed doors, I bet you when he leaves the office a day, he's going to look at Lauren go when you sang earlier. Your voice was so fucking sexy. Come over here. No, he doesn't. He doesn't give me compliments like that. Taylor. Taylor, I don't know what you're talking to. I mean, you like a sugar.

Starting point is 00:06:50 Taylor. Taylor. You tone it down back there. I don't know what you're doing. Taylor, did you ever have a crush on me in junior high. Okay. I'll be honest. Every guy did.

Starting point is 00:07:00 Every guy did. Did your rat tail? Really was the survival of the fittest. He was the most eligible bachelor, but he definitely won out over everybody. Literally every guy. So I was the star of the show and every guy had a crush on. Honestly, you just won this argument. I wasn't the most eligible, but I won.

Starting point is 00:07:18 So are you thinking you were the most eligible? No, no, not me at all. I'm just saying, because again, I don't know what the pool of people were. So maybe he was, maybe he wasn't. But he definitely, you had right stake to that claim almost the whole time. Taylor really knows how to circle the drain. You're going to make my eye love you, Taylor. Circle the drain.

Starting point is 00:07:39 What's the most Influency thing you've ever bought? I know there's something. It's probably, it's probably from fucking you, honestly. What's something that's like, you hate yourself

Starting point is 00:07:49 when you press buy now? I feel like I definitely bought some like Amazon pajamas that you did a swipe up for. Do you have Amazon, like silky Amazon pajamas? That's Zaza. Zaza influenced you?

Starting point is 00:08:03 I think Zaza influenced you. to me. I feel like I bought those. I mean, the macha, I leaned into the matcha pretty hard. I feel like I found that on Instagram. Sometimes I'll do a hate swipe up just to see, you know, what people are working with. But it's definitely, whatever it is, it's your fault. It's something that I swiped up from you. Okay. But I feel like you like it, but you hate it. I do. It's both. It's a, it's a slippery slope. Yeah. And also, it should be mentioned that I participate in it. So I'm a full hypocrite because I'm hitting you with a swipe up here and there as well. So it's something that I have to deal with

Starting point is 00:08:38 internally. How hard is it for you to post an Instagram picture of yourself? It's not great, although it's, it doesn't fuel my soul. Yeah. You know what I mean? I get a little embarrassed. I'm more embarrassed about, you're going to love this, Michael. I don't, the Instagram ads are a little cringe for me, but also girls got to eat, got lots of furniture to buy. So I do it, but I'm not proud of myself. If I could make the same amount of money doing the same effort level, I would do something else instead, but I don't have any of those options. Hook. I honestly probably will start next month. I feel like that's a little bit more of effort. That is way more effort. Not for me. I don't mind it. I would sell pictures of my feet.

Starting point is 00:09:19 You sell pictures of your feet, your underwear. I could do that. I could send underwear to prison. Yeah. But do they have the budgets? I don't know. We don't know. And also the shipping's like a lot. That's a lot of work. They'll just send you a bunch of cigarettes from the commissary. Okay, here's the main question that I want to know. Sure. How was sex in quarantine? Oh. Um. Because we were just talking about it and we said it was not, it was not seduced. Like, it was not seduced. Like, it wasn't the best. No, it was, yeah, I would say probably this, no, it was good at the beginning. And then I was so irritated having him around that I just, like, we had to have separation hours. Like, I was like, you literally can't speak to me from nine to five because I'm not used to having him around.

Starting point is 00:10:00 that much. I was watching a lot of your videos with him. Like, he really got into a fitness routine there. That's, then it got back. Then, yeah, we got back on track because Andrew all of a sudden, Jillian, fucking Michael's. He's very limber. She's limber. Yeah. She is limber. What kind of routine? So she was typically starting out. She also has a man bun now. So get ready for that. Like full man. Everyone had one of those for a little while. But, yeah. Hers is like really lustrous and nice. And now she's like kind of buff and it's very weird. So she would start out our mornings with like, Walk us through her morning routine. Her morning routine consisted of a macha latte.

Starting point is 00:10:35 That's how she likes to start her days. She poops. She was doing mat Pilates. She insisted on doing them in the bedroom. God forbid. We have two extra. There's other places that she could. Probably good light and like good energy in the bedroom.

Starting point is 00:10:49 And it was passive aggressive because I'd be in bed like watching fucking Giata or something. And she's dropping it low with her AirPods watching like fucking Matt Pilates. I can't imagine you guys actually fight. though. Like, Lauren and I, like, I think you could probably imagine, like, we get to blow up. I can't imagine Andrew getting in a fight with you. I could imagine you getting angry, but I can't imagine him getting angry. No, it's like, you should take a fucking note from Andrew. It's a one way fight. I got to do some Matt Pilates. Yeah, first you got to drop it low. Okay. I, yeah, I fight with myself. He doesn't really participate, which makes me even more angry. And then I get to a place where I'm so nuclear that it just becomes so funny. And then it's done. So after he does she. Oh, after she does her, yeah, after she does her mat, Pilates, she was doing two a days for a hot second.

Starting point is 00:11:35 Wow, that's really trying to be passive aggressive. It's really rude. And then we got the Peloton, the bike finally came, so she likes to end her little workout session with some cardio. That's a gnarly morning routine. I know. I'm inspired. Every day she was doing that. And then was he in studio at all, or was he just working from home?

Starting point is 00:11:53 He was working from home. And let me tell you something. I would hear the same fucking eight bars of a song. over and over and over and over and over. That's why he's successful. And over and over for like 13 hours, the same fucking note. And I would go, I kicked him out eventually. I'm like, you can get coronavirus, which he did.

Starting point is 00:12:14 I'm like, get the fuck to the studio. I don't care. You have to get out of the fucking house or I will murder you. Wait, so let me ask you this. If you're describing what your husband does to someone, he's very, very talented. Is it producer? He's a music producer, yeah. For a lot of gnarly people.

Starting point is 00:12:33 Yeah. And he's a songwriter as well, but I would say, like, if I had to just, he's a, he does both, but he's a music producer. And he's one of the most humble, down to earth, quietly confident people I've ever met. Yes, that's a very, he's very quietly confident. I think it gets misconstrued because he's not, he's so, like, shy on social media that he's very, that he's a shy person. And he's not, and he's not quiet.

Starting point is 00:12:57 He just, when he says something, it means something. Unlike me, I just fucking talk about circling the drain. Me and Taylor. Hold up. Let's talk about eggs. Like eggs that you eat. I just wrote a blog post today on the beauty benefits of eating eggs. And it is so crazy.

Starting point is 00:13:21 I like dissected it and researched it and it's wild. And in that post, I also wrote about Pete and Jerry's. Okay, you guys, these are the best eggs. These are the eggs that I feed Zaza. Michael makes her cheesy eggs every single morning, and we like these because they're organic and certified humane free range. So they're a pioneer and leader in the egg industry. They've been an organic egg farming since 1997, and they're the first certified humane egg farm in the United States. Their hens roam as they please. So they're just hanging out. They're on organic pastures,

Starting point is 00:14:00 and they're never treated with harmful chemicals or pesticides. We're just living that hen line. Their free-range lifestyle means that they're free to engage in behaviors that come naturally to them. So they get to dust-bave. They get to forage. They get to socialize in fresh air and sunshine. And this really has a lot of benefits for the eggs and also obviously for the hens. So you're going to expect this rich, creamy flavor. It tastes, I'm not joking, superior to other eggs.

Starting point is 00:14:28 So how I can tell that an egg isn't the kind of egg I want to be eating is when the whites are watery. I'm a fan of these eggs. How I use them personally is I like them scrambled. I like them in tacos. Definitely check out Pete and Jerry's. I'm telling you. Right now, Pete and Jerry's is giving away a free dozen eggs to the first 100 listeners. You guys got to run.

Starting point is 00:14:49 And you got to go to Pete and Jerry's.com slash skinny. To claim your free dozen eggs, go to P-T-E-A-N-D-G-E-R-R-Y-S.com slash skinny. Jerry's is G-E-R-R-Y-S. Okay. Pete and Jerry's organic eggs are available nationwide at a fine grocer near you. And I just like to know where my eggs are coming from and know that the hens are hanging out having fun. I would like for you after this morning's fight. Sure. To go spend a little bit of time with Andrew. I love spending time with Andrew. Yeah. You guys love each other. It's really sweet. Because I think we're both simple in the sense that like we have our own shit. We have our like wives. We got our own thing. It's when we get a seat. other. It's like very low pressure and just get to enjoy. Like I like learning about what he's doing. Yeah. Interesting. You both love hanging out with your wives. No, you know, I don't have, listen, I'm not the, I can admit, I'm probably not the, I mean, the best, like, I don't like high maintenance friends. So like, I like to meet people. I can just be like, I can just be like, I get to catch up with him, you know? Yeah. It's easy. Easy, breezy. Yeah. You know what I need a break from in life? Michael. Weddings. Oh, weddings. I just need. Didn't you get a fucking break?

Starting point is 00:16:08 Are you joking? No. My best friend in the world just got married. I loved my best friend's wedding. She was amazing. She looks beautiful. But I think that moving forward with weddings, we need like a self-aware book on weddings. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:16:26 Can you write it? Yeah. I've always said that brides are the new Al-Qaeda. They're terrorists. Don't forget bridesmaids. Oh, bridesmaids are awful too. But I mean, the whole fucking thing is so terrible. You know, the girl that's like, this is the most important day of my life.

Starting point is 00:16:42 You, I hope you get a divorce. I always say that. But I hope they get divorced because that's such a sad existence. And like, if you're putting that much pressure on your fucking wedding day and you're going to, so you can do a slow dance to Jason Maraz. I'm not rooting for you. No one is rooting for you. I think the reason I bring that up, though, is that weddings remind me when someone says high maintenance friend. Like, when you're a high maintenance friend or you're annoying about your wedding, it's like, it's like.

Starting point is 00:17:08 I'm like pushing it away from me. This is why everybody loves us. We never hit a nerve, right? No, never. It's always, you know, right, par for the court. Totally. What do you mean? I read, I read, I read, somebody sent me this like screenshot this year and it's like,

Starting point is 00:17:23 Jackie Schimelke can do whatever she wants. Michael loves her so much. He'll never do anything about it. I'm like, yeah, of course. He's so good. I've seen it. I've seen and I said yes, of course. By the way, can we take away the feature on Instagram too just while we're at things that

Starting point is 00:17:35 we're taking away? It's a scene. Oh my God. I live in fear of that scene thing. Sometimes you accidentally hit scene and you don't mean to hit. Sometimes you accidentally, or when you're posting an Instagram story and you accidentally hit the notification that we need to get rid of above. And it's like scene. What about when you accidentally join someone's live?

Starting point is 00:17:53 Oh, that's the worst. And then you give them the satisfaction. It's like, Jackie, she'll just join. And I'm like, ha. No. Do that every day on. No. No.

Starting point is 00:18:02 No. The worst thing to do is when you accidentally join a live, like it's just a click of a button by accident. Right. when they're going. That's what I mean. But you're the first person. Yes, it's awful. Why does that happen to me 15 times a day on accident? It happens to me all the time too.

Starting point is 00:18:14 You're watching something and it pops up right then. No offense, but if I'm in your live, I accidentally my fingernail clicked it. Me too. I've never actively joined a live Instagram. So if I'm there, it's, you got bamboozled. And if you're in, you like have to say hi because you accidentally. No, you don't. Okay.

Starting point is 00:18:30 Can I tell you what I do sometimes? Because I don't. You just leave. Hmm. That's, I'm like, shit, do I just leave by the way? What if they say something? What if they say something? What if they say something and then I've already left?

Starting point is 00:18:38 Then you don't know. That's not your problem. Oh yeah, because there's the delay. Yeah. So they can be like, hey, Michael, how you doing? Looks like we have Jackie joining. Okay, so. Zero.

Starting point is 00:18:49 We're getting rid of high maintenance friends. We're getting rid of scene. We're getting rid of Instagram live. Weddings we can do, but like let's be self-aware. Let's not do the money dance. Let's not do a cash bar. The money dance, I forgot. Let's not do also a mandated hairstyle for your bridesma.

Starting point is 00:19:06 everybody fucking hates you. You're a terrible person. Do you remember when they thought Instagram live was like the main thing and everyone was going live? Do you remember that? In the pandemic? No, no, that first few weeks

Starting point is 00:19:17 when everybody thought like, oh shit, like this is the new algorithm, like it's live, it's the main thing. Everyone was going live. It was just a bunch of dribble. Yeah, that was bad. That was bleak. There's been a lot of like little bleak.

Starting point is 00:19:28 Lauren's like, what's my live strategy? I don't fucking know. I did not say that. For sure you did. I went live once during the pandemic. For sure, no, for sure. I guarantee. at some point you were trying to figure out a live strategy.

Starting point is 00:19:37 Well, I was like, should I do this? No, but you know she did too, right? 100%. What's my segments? Live with Lord! And now nobody does it. No, no. Yeah, I want to get rid of the live, but I really just feel like out of all people in the world,

Starting point is 00:19:54 if you wrote a book on self-awareness when it comes to weddings, it would be a bestseller. Yeah. I feel like, would it, though? What's the chapter title? Brides are the new Al-Qaeda. No, it slaps. That's a bestseller. I think let bridesmaids pick their dresses if you have to choose the color, like, choose a color.

Starting point is 00:20:15 But just let them pick their dresses. Yeah, and don't make everyone to fucking take you to St. Bart's for your fucking, you know, Bachelorette party. Okay. And also, I always, I've said this so far. People are being like, Yanky, you keep repeating yourself. Yeah, well, try it for seven years and then call me the fuck back. If you live in a studio apartment in fucking Pekoyma and you're registering for Arames, China, you can fuck all the way off.

Starting point is 00:20:43 You can fuck all the way off. We're not doing that. That's not happening. I know someone that was registering for like $1,100 salad plates. And I'm like, yo bitch. Yo, bitch, you don't have a car. Why the fuck? Do you need this China?

Starting point is 00:20:58 Taylor, when you get married, I feel like you're that person. No, fuck no. I would never want a thousand dollars, Taylor. I would be like, why did you spend this on this? What are you registering for? I don't know, to be honest. I have no idea. I'd probably just say, buy me records. I have no idea. You don't need, you need.

Starting point is 00:21:15 Oh, that's worse. You need more records. So indie. No, I haven't bought any records in a while, but that's why I don't know. I really don't. I don't have a lot of collectible things. What about donating to charity? Oh, God, I did that.

Starting point is 00:21:29 Oh, fuck. It's so elegant. No, my friend's doing that right now. She's like, no gifts. Everyone's flying to Europe. What should we do? Donate to charity. I'm like, God, that's elegant.

Starting point is 00:21:38 I don't have the inner sophistication to do something like that. There was something about me going through and being like, I want this toaster with this setting. It's pretty cringe. I did it. I can do it. It's so cringe. I just, and then like, I just, I felt like it would just eliminated. I wouldn't do it now, but back when I got married, I was like, I put luggage on there because I'm a psycho.

Starting point is 00:22:01 That's disgusting. I almost think if I got married in this moment right now, I would say no gifts. So elegant. It's not about elegant. No, but it is. It's very cheap. You're spending so much money to already come to the wedding. You get the dress, you get your makeup, you drive, you fly, whatever it is.

Starting point is 00:22:17 And then you also have to get a gift. We have this friend. Walter, Wilma. We have six friends. So someone's going to figure this out. Wallace. Weston. Weston.

Starting point is 00:22:29 Oh, shit. I should have known that. And is it Weston? He has been invited. He's one of those guys that's so likable that he's invited to every single wedding on the planet. We have four friends. One of them has a W. It's Weston.

Starting point is 00:22:41 He's down the hall right now. Why don't you just say it's Weston? He's literally in the building. He's literally right down the hall. Weston has that personality though that like everyone thinks that he's their best friend. Oh, no. So not only is he invited to the wedding, he's invited to Bachelor parties all over the world. He's every groomsman and he hates confrontation.

Starting point is 00:22:57 So he just ends up going along and just being. He's probably spent half his like money. Every birthday party. Weddings and Bachelor. Every company grand opening. Every groomsman. Everything.

Starting point is 00:23:11 Someone should do a movie about that one person. You know the person that just like people want him around? Yeah. Elevates the experience. Yeah. I guarantee you if someone called him right now that he hasn't spoken to in 20 years from high school

Starting point is 00:23:23 and said, hey, Weston, I want you to come to my wedding. He'd be like, all right, well, I guess I'm going to. And you're a great gift. I'm going to Greece. If you're listening and you know Weston and you have. a wedding. Just don't invite us. Please. He doesn't even want to be invited to our wedding. Like, give him a break. Give him a break. He almost shit his pants when he did the speech for us. It's not his gig. Okay. Just give him a break. Taylor, with the reason I wanted you to turn your

Starting point is 00:23:42 mic on. Well, we want you to turn on every time you just don't fucking listen. Yeah, but this time I was really adamant about it is because I wanted you to tell us about your quarantine experience. Be real, Taylor. Well, my quarantine experience consisted of, again, I normally stay at home in the first place. So to me, this is like normal business. This is what I'm talking about, Taylor. At home. What was your morning routine? Can you please just get to the point? Hold on my routine. He's milking the clock. The first thing that happens is you have the alarm clock that can't be turned off unless you do a math

Starting point is 00:24:15 equation. Oh shit. Tell us about that. I have to turn it off because it's about to go off. Tell us about that your math equation alarm clock that wakes you up. And then I want you to walk all of us through your morning routine, what you didn't quarantine, your nighttime wind down. Lauren, you're not understanding that's something about Taylor. Those things don't exist. The quarantine. Taylor didn't even notice there was a quarantine. That's what I want to know.

Starting point is 00:24:34 That's what I'm getting at. To me, it was just normal. That's normal life. He lives in a dark whole room with his record player and his games and his technology. But now he is a girlfriend. I'm completely fine sitting at home. He didn't know the pandemic was going on until like three months ago. How many breaks did you take to beat your meat?

Starting point is 00:24:50 Throughout the day. What day of the week is it? Let's say it's a Monday. A Monday? Yeah. I don't know. I have to look at my journal. What?

Starting point is 00:24:58 Oh, you have a masturbation journal? That's cute. Wait, how many really, Taylor? Be real. I don't know. It depends. Maybe two. How do you have time to do that?

Starting point is 00:25:05 Like morning and night or like you double up? No, it usually night, late evening. Is it edging or is it? No, just like, again, it's, I'm tired. I'm like, I'm tired. I'm like, wait a second. What do you mean edging? Oh, you haven't heard about edging?

Starting point is 00:25:18 No, please, delight me. You've never heard of edging? No, Taylor. Edging is the process. Isn't he a producer? Haven't you guys talked about this? We should talk into this. Really quick before you tell her what edging is,

Starting point is 00:25:27 your next podcast should be called edging. Okay, great. Thank you. Your audience will find it riveting. Yeah. Tell us what edging is. So what edging is is masturbating to the point of almost climaxing, but then stopping. So you're basically going right up to the edge of glory.

Starting point is 00:25:44 And why do you do that? Explain why you do that. So what that does is it helps prolong orgasm and lets you develop a resistance to wanting to bust your nut. Okay. Thank you. Happy ones. He started. He started like elegantly saying that and then ended it in a really disgusting terrible way.

Starting point is 00:26:01 Yeah. So you're not edging anymore. You're just beating me twice a day, sometimes three, depending on the day. The edging work too, if anyone's curious. Do the edging. Stick with it. And then you don't have to do you do anything. How long do you last now?

Starting point is 00:26:13 As long as I need to. Now it's like the same thing. So you could last two hours? You've trained the muscle. Two hours. I don't know about two hours. At one point, I'd be like, come on. Like, is it time yet?

Starting point is 00:26:22 Nobody wants to fuck for two hours. Yeah, that's where I'm going to talk. Two hours. I'm like maybe I'm just too Jewish for that shit. Don't cut it out. I, uh, it's, it's too, it's too long.

Starting point is 00:26:35 I'm like two fucking hours. I can barely sit in a movie theater for two hours. I can't. So let's move on. No, at that, there's not even enough position. Two hours learned.

Starting point is 00:26:44 You have a very, very nice. Let me, let me just put it out. Let me put it out per. Sometimes we do an hour and a half podcast and I'm, I'm done about an hour in. I'm like, what is that?

Starting point is 00:26:54 There's only three. I'm just saying, have you calculated. Have you calculated. what two hours of actual time is? There's only three. Maybe they're Titanic. Okay, at two hours is maybe a little long. You can watch the whole dances with wolves there.

Starting point is 00:27:04 What's a point of time in Hollywood? Missionary Doggy and what is it? What? Missionary Doggy and Cowgirl. What's your favorite position? There's not many that many. Unless you're doing those obscure ones. Don't change the subject.

Starting point is 00:27:14 What's your favorite position? Mine? Yes. Hmm. Of course. Doggy. Why does he say, hmm? Standing doggy is great, of course.

Starting point is 00:27:22 Okay. And then riding is good when the girl rides you. That's the, cowgirl or doing just standard old plain Jane missionaries. I feel Taylor like you're the type of guy where the girl picks you up when you have seven. I don't love missionary. It's like a jet packing.

Starting point is 00:27:38 Missionary. It's a little like. It's not a great angle. There's passionate missionaries. Yeah. It's not a great angle. Everything you're laying down. Like it's just it doesn't do it for me.

Starting point is 00:27:48 Yeah. I don't love doggy because I'm so worried about like butts and stuff. Like I just, I don't know. You have the best butt. the best body. No, my ass is not my strong suit. And it just feels weird. I'm like, I got my leg humped by a boyfriend years ago before I met Andrew. And now I'm just like very weird. I like, I like face to face contact. What do you mean hump? Yeah. I told us this story. Yeah, I've had my, I dated a guy that like humped my leg. That was his thing. Did he ejaculate?

Starting point is 00:28:18 Yes. So did you just like, did you just like, um, I just stood there under to him and just let him do it? I would just like play brick breaker. How many times? I let it happen like three times. So he was like, hey, like my thing is to hump a leg. No, he kind of just squatted down low one day and was like, is this okay? And I was like, is what okay? And then he braced himself on my knee and ground upward until he came in his little cargo pants.

Starting point is 00:28:48 I would be okay with that and I'll tell you why. Why do people have to be so fucking weird? I was okay with it. I was like, listen, this is very easy for me. It's very efficient. That's why I'd be okay with it. What is it? When we post on Instagram,

Starting point is 00:28:58 when you're doing, when people say they say don't king chain. Totally. I'll take selfies. Yes. Like just get a couple things. Passive multitasking. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:29:05 I like that. Yeah. And then like he gets served what he needs. I mean, at the time, I was just so happy to like get my own appetizer. I didn't really care. You know what?

Starting point is 00:29:14 This is going to be a statement that maybe gets pulled out. I think maybe we're a little bit too accepting these days. Pull quote. See, I disagree with you. I think whatever, like, whatever anyone's sexual appetite is, like, great. Sure. But, listen, we're just getting off the reservation here.

Starting point is 00:29:32 I don't, I would be weirded out. But like, that's your reservation. Right. So maybe someone else has a different, like Taylor has a different reservation than you. He needs to beat his meat three to four times a day. Maybe some people get weird, have weird kinks. I've heard some weird shing that you have. I don't have any weird kinks.

Starting point is 00:29:46 I don't have any weird kinks. I don't believe that you don't have weird kinks. I wanted, I remember when someone mentioned this in one of the podcast, I wanted to jump in because I thought it was so, the strangest thing I had. I never heard anybody say. They said sounding. And they described it where they were talking about

Starting point is 00:29:59 inserting something into the urethra. Yeah, it's when we talked to Sophia and that's a little bit much. What the hell? I had never even heard of that. They put a rod at the dick home. It's not for me.

Starting point is 00:30:08 I don't, I wouldn't want to put. So you turn your dick into a sound ball. How does that even come up? So it's like, so by the way, would you mind.

Starting point is 00:30:15 It really breaks out the energy. By inserting something into your dick hole and then beating it. Oh. With a eucalyptus branch, you'll achieve nirvana. Another blog post that I have written recently, because I'm still big on the blog, has to do with beauty and wellness.

Starting point is 00:30:41 And that is my juve. I use my juve every single day. Here is the strategy that I have put into my calendar. I've optimized my life like this. I do my whim-off breathwork, butt naked in front of my juve. Copied me on that. I did copy you on that. I even turn around and I do my butt because I heard butthole sunning is all the rage.

Starting point is 00:31:04 And then I'll go take a freezing cold shower. And I am telling you it wakes me up like no other. And this isn't a surprise at all because the founders of the juve came on the podcast and told us that red light therapy is all the rage and that it's such a healthy light and that it does give you energy. So red light therapy, I'm telling you, get on board. The juve's devices, in my opinion, are super slow. They're chic.

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Starting point is 00:31:52 It's why we do it every single day. I mean, who doesn't want all those benefits? Another fun thing is if you don't want to buy the huge light that we have, I also have the new juve go. It's little. And I take it when I travel. It's affordable. It's battery powered. And you can take it anywhere you go. Throw on your handbag. Okay. Get your red light therapy in. If you're looking for a new juve, we have such exciting news. You're going to go to juve.com slash skinny. That's J-O-O-V-V-com slash skinny and use code skinny. What you're going to get is an exclusive discount on Juve's next generation devices. Exclusions apply limited time only.

Starting point is 00:32:25 Check out red light therapy. Get on board with red light. therapy. What is the biggest kink that you have, Taylor? Don't say you don't have kinks. I don't believe it. I'm thinking, honestly, I don't really have any weird kinks. What about this one? I'm fairly fucking standard when it comes to that. Do not tell me that he likes getting fisted. I don't other way around. I'll never speak to him again. No, no, I've never, I've been trust me. Can you fist pump me? No, again, I've experienced that, but I, I've never, I've never received, but I definitely have given that one. I think Jackie heard about that one. You're a little suck puppet guy. Yeah, I was basically uppercutting someone through their vagina.

Starting point is 00:33:07 Okay. Oh, we might have to cut that out. We're getting canceled. That might be towing the line. I think conversations like this are important, though, because there's a lot of people that are embarrassed and shamed for what they like sexually. And it's like, who cares? I love that you're trying to make this philosophical. It's really cute.

Starting point is 00:33:24 And I like what you're doing. I like the angle. I'm not taking the bait, but I like that you're trying to make this like a, you know, a wholesome moment. You know what, though? I really think that we are opening the conversation to people by saying that Taylor likes to fit. I mean, listen, Jackie, why I love you so much for multiple reasons, but like, I think sometimes it's okay to just feel like shit

Starting point is 00:33:49 and not coddle everyone and say like, hey, this sucks. You know what I mean? Like, we don't need to turn this around and make the one person that wants to get sounded feel better right. I mean, listen, I get it, do what you want. But at the same time, like, we don't need to cue the rainbow. I'm going to make the person, if someone wants to get sounded that's listening, that's fine. Get sounded.

Starting point is 00:34:08 I personally think you're a fucking weirdo. Taylor's like, where do you even go and buy the equipment for this thing? Not because I want to try it. Oh, don't do it on the office server, okay? Where does one find a, uh, if one was interested in such practice. If a person, hypothetically speaking. Taylor. I feel like when.

Starting point is 00:34:32 you heard Sophia because she is so pretty say the sounding thing that you would have been open to Sophia sounding you. No, I was more curious about it because she made it seem as if it was such a popular thing. And that's why I thought it was interesting because that seems to be a very, very obscure thing. The strangest thing I had ever heard is there was a girl years ago that I went on a date with. She literally said, so do you like to get pegged? And I didn't know what that was. Oh, what are you talking about? But I thought it was like, what? This is old news, Taylor. But I didn't know what it was. Again, this was years ago. I had no idea what it was. And she goes, yeah, the last three guys was in relationships with like to get paid. Hold on. Moment of silence. Moment of silence right now. Did she peg you?

Starting point is 00:35:11 No, I don't believe that. I don't believe it. No, fuck no. That, I wasn't intrigued. I don't care about it. Someone's getting a little rashy. I had never, I didn't know that that was like a common thing, but I guess it is. That's why there is these, I don't want to say strange things because I don't want to make someone feel like they're strange if they do it. But you're strange, so it's okay, because it cancels the strange. out so you're allowed to say strange. Would you like me to peg you? No, that I would have no one. I'm not talking to you. Taylor! I thought she's asking me. I think we would have just, I think we've known each other for a very long time. I think we would have circled these waters by now. No, can I

Starting point is 00:35:43 just try it once? I don't think so. I think we've made it this far without it. What would be your price? My price? Yeah, for her to peg you. It's getting pretty high these days. I ask, I asked Weston and Michael how much that I could pay them to have sex. And what was your price again? My price is really high for that.

Starting point is 00:35:59 I think it was a mill. Wait, for you to have... A mill? No, no, no, not me. No. For Michael and Weston to have sex. To hook up. Okay. No, it's way more than mill.

Starting point is 00:36:08 I think his price was a mill. Yeah. Are you sure? Yeah, way more. Because one, that's too low, but two... It'd make it awkward. No, it's like, it's not a rant. Like, you can't do that with your best friend.

Starting point is 00:36:18 No. And then, like, hey, we just did this for money. What about a random dude that you'd never see again? My, well, like, price for that. Well, listen, because I don't, I mean, listen. I love how he's negotiating. Being this like it's a fucking dear media business deal. By the way, I'm just wondering what your boundaries are.

Starting point is 00:36:31 In my younger days, party days, like I always thought to myself, well, all kind of feels the same in the dark. You know what I mean? Sure. Okay. So, hmm, what would be my prize? Holes a hole, you know? It's 2021. Let's get frisky.

Starting point is 00:36:43 I know. Let's get frisky. Hmm. Probably 10, 5. 1000? No. No, no, no, no, no. Dollars. $10.

Starting point is 00:36:53 Five, five to $10. No, no. I mean, listen, I don't. I mean, listen, I don't. I mean, listen. I know how hard it is to make that kind of money. And you're talking about, you know, let's say, 30 minutes a time.

Starting point is 00:37:03 Like we're like about to sign a contract. Have you met your husband? A lot of guys get uncomfortable because they're like, oh, does that make me gay or whatever it is? Like, I don't care about that. I'm like, this is a job now. Andrew said the same thing. We've gone over this.

Starting point is 00:37:17 You have to. You have to ask 100 questions. I've asked about the pegging multiple times. I'm like, how much would I have to pay you to be able to peg you? You know why I wouldn't let her peg me, though? It just changes the whole I just feel like we don't need that dynamic right now. I'm already like

Starting point is 00:37:30 Alpha. Yeah, so I feel like for me in the bedroom I'm a lot more feminine because I am Not pegging him. Yeah, I'm not right. Also it just doesn't turn me on, right? Right. I think we should release the sex tape,

Starting point is 00:37:43 but we'll talk about that later. Is it called Peggy? So good for downloads. I know. So good for the network. Yeah. If shit starts to fall off, we have a backup plan.

Starting point is 00:37:51 Like as a CEO, you should take one for the team and drop us up. text tape because it would help everyone on the network. Yep. Or would it? Or would everyone leave the network? Who knows?

Starting point is 00:38:03 No. No. It might just be us three. Whatever. That's how we started. You're speaking for everyone. This is a perfect transition to what I was wanting to ask from the beginning before we completely derailed this conversation.

Starting point is 00:38:16 I feel like Jackie, you might give me a few more passes than maybe some others on the network. That's probably true. Which is why I wanted to bring up Jackie Schimwell was your first son. Yeah. She was never forget. The person I don't ever forget. That believed in you. Blind support. Yeah. When beneath my wing. Cube at Midler over a cube at midler over a fucking chopped La Scala salad. That's right. Yeah. Signed her contract. Mm-hmm. Can I be honest with you right now? I had no fucking idea what I was doing. No, I know. Neither did I. I was just like, sure. The blind following the blind. I was like, yeah. I like that Bostic guy.

Starting point is 00:38:57 He's going places. You want to start a network? I'll go with you. Luckily, I figured a couple things out along the way. But at the time, I was like, hey, this is a little bit dicey. You were up front about that. I was like, I don't care. I'm like, I'm making $6 a year.

Starting point is 00:39:11 But we were all in really shitty deals. I had nothing to lose at that point. Oh, I was going to lose my talent fee of $300. Well, this was at a time right, people were like, what the fuck is a podcast? I had $4 in the bank. I was like, whatever. This is a Hail Mary. Go, Bostick, go.

Starting point is 00:39:25 When you signed on, you obviously had low expectations, which is the best with everything. So when Michael actually exceeded one of your expectations, was it, like, what was your vibe? I was just, you know, I was pleasantly surprised because I remember you saying, like, you are going to make this per month in three months or something. And I was like, okay, sure, this fucking guy with the hair. And then it happened. And I was like, oh my God. I've been, I was lied to so many times prior for years that I was just like, I was kind of taking it with a grain of salt.

Starting point is 00:40:01 So I was very, very pleasantly surprised. Well, you were probably, well, the whole time. Well, here's the thing I think people forget. Like that whole time you were worth every penny and more before we started working together. But people just do shitty fucking deals at town. Yeah, I didn't. I. And I also didn't have access to like my numbers or expense reports.

Starting point is 00:40:20 Like I had no idea. And I was doing ads every fucking week. I got zero, zero dollars of ad revenue for three years. Zero. I cannot believe that the first time I went on your show. I was so nervous. I was sweating. I was perspiring. I was shaking because I was like you're so good on a mic that it was so much pressure.

Starting point is 00:40:37 I wasn't used to podcasting. And I don't mean to brag and I say in every podcast and I still will, I read you that Titanic post on Leonardo DiCaprio. What, maybe it wasn't Titanic. Leonardo de Caprio. Oh, yeah. Those of all since been to lead. Getting the BJ with the headphones. And I said, and I turned you in bed.

Starting point is 00:40:57 And I said, this bitch is going to be a star. Oh, God. But that was be, we, we met Jackie. Like, that was before we even met you. Don't even try to say. No, Lauren slid into like my Twitter DMs. And I ignored her for months. I was like, who is this bitch?

Starting point is 00:41:14 Fuck, this fucking influence the influence. I was just like, I don't know. I don't think this is going to work. Totally. From the looks. And then I met her and I was like, oh my God. She's not at all. I was a little nervous on your show.

Starting point is 00:41:24 But you know what's funny? Like I actually don't want this to be like a calling card for people to like come join the network. That sounds like. Yeah. But because I, people like come to me all the time. I'm like there and like they, the first thing they ask me is like they need to make all this money.

Starting point is 00:41:36 Like I need to make money like right away and I have zero sympathy for those people because for what you did for what we. I mean like it was two, three years before you we made anything. I know I hate when people. And I'm like I don't. Some people on the network too. They're like, how did you go and you're like I just want to be like cost me when it and I'm like.

Starting point is 00:41:52 Bitch, three fucking years. Call me back. Oh, it's been a month. It takes a hot second. Yeah, somebody can be like, this is a lot of work. I'm like, yeah, no shit, Sherlock. I've been doing this for fucking, it's with you. And people with preexisting platforms.

Starting point is 00:42:03 Like, oh my God, do you need a fucking lotion-infused Kleenex? Big fucking, I was a receptionist. Shut the fuck up. I don't know if this is worth my, I don't know if I'm going to make money. I'm like, then leaves. I have a really big problem with anyone who is doing really well on one platform thinking it's going to translate to another platform and just because who they are, it's going to work. For instance, like, I don't expect to come on TikTok and get millions of followers.

Starting point is 00:42:30 I would respect the medium of TikTok that I... I don't respect it. I think it's stupid. But, like, I know I'm not going to just like, oh, you can make money. Like, I wouldn't go onto that platform and be like, where's my money? Yeah. Do you know what I'm saying? And people sometimes who are very famous will come into the podcast space and be like, why am I not making money? And it's like it's a new medium. You have to work the medium before you make

Starting point is 00:42:53 money. Summer is coming. And you know what I love during the summer, Michael Bostick? I love a cold beer, which is why I am so excited that Cours Pure. It just came out with an organic beer. It's simple, straight to the point. It has organic barley, organic hops and water. But here's the thing. I'm a huge beer drinker, but I don't usually explore it because it can feel heavy on the gut and I get super bloated. This one, tried it, guys, zero sugar at 92 calories, and it's the perfect beer for the summer. Like, I feel like it is the beer of the summer. Guys can drink it. Weston steals it out of my fridge every single day.

Starting point is 00:43:36 Michael loves it. I'm telling you, if you want to enjoy a beer and not feel bloated, this is it, okay? I feel like we all are working out. We're eating healthy. We're doing all the things, all the wellness trends. If you're going to drink a beer, why not make it organic, okay? This is like the beer that you want to make it. a mitchelotta with. Okay. How I like to make my micholada just on a side note is with lots of ice,

Starting point is 00:43:59 a Coors Pure, a little bit of tomato juice, maybe a tahin rim, and I am ready to go. That is a skinny mchalotta for you, okay? Coorspeer is the perfect beer to celebrate the wins of everyday life. So when you want to enjoy a beer without the guilt, you're going to reach for Coors Pure. It's organic, but chill about it. Go to Coorspeer.com. That's C-O-O-R-S-P-U-R-E.com slash skinny. to see where you can find Coors Pure.com. That's C-O-O-R-S-P-U-R-E.com slash Skinny to see where you can find Coors Pure. Cheers. My whole thing is like go to another network and let them pay you a stupid amount of money to see if it works. And then like after that and I know it's working, then come over here, right?

Starting point is 00:44:48 So let them do the, let them take the dive on the fucking. I'm going to interview you guys. How has you guys's working relationship been? Pretty damn good. Yeah. We speak the same language. Yeah, I feel like you guys do. Yeah. I really do. No nonsense.

Starting point is 00:45:04 No drama. No bullshit. Like, very straightforward. Yeah. You know, and we've hit road bumps. Well, the only times... Well, the only times there's... Because I don't come traditionally from entertainment.

Starting point is 00:45:17 And, like, I think sometimes, like, I don't do well driving with, like, the lawyers of... I'm just like... No, I know. Right? It's all like, they get a little irritated. I got that memo. But at least, like, anytime I... I think the way we work...

Starting point is 00:45:30 I have to unbutton my pants. You're so sorry. Take him off. Taylor will beat his mean and get his one out of two. Welcome, Taylor. It's a gift. Our conversations when it comes to a gift is what like 20 minutes. I'm like, this is what I could do, this would you do?

Starting point is 00:45:40 That's it. Yeah. Pretty simple. Who do you think right now? Because you are such a good podcaster is fucking crushing podcasting. I don't listen to any podcasts. None. Zero.

Starting point is 00:45:52 That is so offensive that you don't listen to the skinny confidential. I accept this one. Of course. I don't even listen to my own. I don't listen to my own either. I don't listen. I can't hear my voice. I'm just whatever.

Starting point is 00:46:01 I do the thing. I mean, Alex Cooper. Hello. Of course. The deal she just got yesterday. Fuck, yeah. You know what I hate. It's so funny because some, obviously, I know, we all know a fucking shit ton of podcasters.

Starting point is 00:46:15 And I'm friends with Alex. And I knew about this. And not, I didn't know the number because that would be weird. But I knew that this was happening. And I hate that people in the space are like, it's that mentality of like, why not? me. And that really bothers me because it's like, this is good for everybody. This is like an amazing. I just people who think that way are losers and they're going to keep losing because you can't even like that's that didn't even flash in my fucking head. Like when I saw that,

Starting point is 00:46:47 I was like, this is fucking incredible. We've been doing this long enough where there was a period of time where people were like, what the fuck's a podcast? What are you doing? How do you listen? it's just like, you know, doing, like understanding this side and the network side. Like it's getting, it's going to break a billion. There's money coming in. It's going to go to two billion. Like people like. It legitimizes the space.

Starting point is 00:47:06 It's fucking awesome. It's, it's, it's an abundance over scarcity mindset. There. And I always tell the story, but it's, it's so relevant to what you just said. Who's that actor that I always, Terry. Terry. Hatcher? No.

Starting point is 00:47:18 Well, there's a. No, no, no. See how I was just talking and you like just completely change the subject. I'm not changing the subject. Who's the actor? Terry. What? Terry Cruz?

Starting point is 00:47:27 Yes. Terry Cruz was driving down the street when he was starting out in Hollywood. And there was a huge billboard, like whatever, on sunset. And it was a role that he had tried out for to be a leading man. And the person that it went to was Tom Cruise. And he said he remembers driving down the street and he thought for a split second, fuck that, I was supposed to get that. And instead he said in that moment, he's like, wait,

Starting point is 00:47:51 because he's a leading man, this is opening up more space in this industry. for me, and now he's a huge celebrity, obviously. Yeah. But you have to, what Alex Cooper has done for the space is so right. What you said, it's especially for women. Come on. You don't have to like the show. You don't have to like, like, it doesn't matter.

Starting point is 00:48:08 It's incredible. It's fucking matters. Well, you know, like, it's the same thing. Like, people give, like, whether you like Joe Rogan or not, people give shit, but like, what, you got to understand is like, this is a guy that started doing something like this in, what, 2006? Yeah. And like, whether you like him or not, he's a massive powerhouse.

Starting point is 00:48:21 He started a time when nobody gave a shit. Yeah. He's moved a medium, right? Like, he's made it. He is in large part with people like Alex and people like you. Like they made this medium viable for other people. It's why you see a network like Dear Media go from six to 100 shows because people are like, okay, money, talent.

Starting point is 00:48:37 And I think it's a weird like the general concern. I think what's happening is people see numbers getting thrown at celebrities or influencers or creators. And such a hater mentality. Like you know what? Then get your fucking head in the game. You know, yes. And it's like this disdain.

Starting point is 00:48:51 It's like, I think these people should do this stuff. Like this is people are building career. years, right? It's the same thing. Like, you would never expect an actor or an actress to go do movies for free or to not, like, raise their rake or their take. Yeah, it's a, it's a weird thing. It's, that you're 100% right, though. It's a, it's a loser mentality. It's like, you should be excited when you see people growing and moving because it means there's doors opening for you as well. It also means that you're secure and have good, like, it's, it drives me crazy. I hate that narrative. It's going around, too. I texted her last night. I'm like, just wait. People are going

Starting point is 00:49:21 coming out of the woodworks. There people are jealous. Yeah. It's really that simple. Or they're opportunisticy. That's the grossest. I call it, that's worse. I call it Lilypad. Oh, you're just jumping where you, you jump to this lily pad to get to the other lily pad. And like, I feel for her because it is probably lonely what just happened to her. And when I read that headline, I thought, this is going to be really hard for people around her to even relate. Like, she probably doesn't have a lot of people to talk to. Well, she can wipe her tears with dollar bills. She'll be fine. She doesn't need to do the money wedding dance. No.

Starting point is 00:49:58 No, but it is incredible and it's amazing, but there are going to be things probably that come with it. Aftershocks. Anytime something big like that happens, it's like you, you know, you get a target on your back. But anyone that's worth sticking around,

Starting point is 00:50:12 sticks around, and anyone that's a fucking piece of shit scum-sucking rodent can go in their rat track. She's going to realize that real quick. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Congratulations, Alex. Jackie Schimbles next. I hope so.

Starting point is 00:50:25 I don't know if I can handle that. What does it mean so she can only be on Spotify, no iTunes? Which is an exclusive deal. Oh yeah. I'd like to tell you. I brought you guys here today. I'm going to Spotify. I can see that.

Starting point is 00:50:37 Bostic, I love you. But if I got a big fat check, I'd have to say lavi. Say love me. We would kick you out. I would help you broke her the fucking deal. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You pack my bags. Don't lily pad, Michael.

Starting point is 00:50:48 Yeah. But listen. Lily pad. You know, there's a lot of what's happening in. I buy you a parting gift, though. something cute. Gift basket. Edible arrangement. Yeah, edible arrangement. You know what? Those always get like moldy though. From a business standpoint, what's happening in audio right now is, and I would hate to be in the middle, right? Like, I would hate to be one of these kind of like early

Starting point is 00:51:08 audio, radio companies that are in the middle because what's happening is you have the up and coming shows talent networks and then you have the tech giants, the Spotify, the Googles, the apples, the Netflix. Like people, what's happening is people like, okay, this is a viable established medium that's only going to grow. If it's at a billion now, it's going to go to two, it's going to go three, it's and four. Radio's on the decline, right? It's the same thing that happened from cable television to on demand. Like, why would you go listen to radio when you can listen to podcasts or Spotify or music or Apple,

Starting point is 00:51:36 whatever? So, like, it's just history repeating itself. Yeah. And what's happening and why you're seeing these asthical numbers is like these tech giants are going to battle it out with each other. That's why you see Sirius getting in. You see Amazon getting in. You see obviously Spotify.

Starting point is 00:51:48 Google's going to do something. Netflix just announced they're doing something. I imagine the warners of the world to do something. It sounds like you know what you're doing now after all these years. Finally. I have a question for you and I feel like you're the perfect person to ask this. Okay. Who should podcast?

Starting point is 00:52:04 Like what makes a good podcaster? Because everyone's jumping in the space. Give me your like full. Like I'm going to give it to you because I think that people are getting a little too encouraging. Okay. He's looking at me straight in the eyes. Not everybody needs a fucking podcast. Okay.

Starting point is 00:52:20 I'm just saying when people ask me like, hey, I'm just like, what's your tips for starting a podcast? I always say, don't. And people think that I'm joking or I'm being funny or I'm being cynical. I'm really fucking not. I don't think everyone should have a podcast. I don't think everyone's a star. You know what I mean? It just, it's a hyper saturated marketplace, if you will.

Starting point is 00:52:43 And not everyone's fucking interesting. Not everyone's fucking interesting. And podcasting can be very self-indulgent. Sure. You get, you like the sound of your own voice. You live for the lights. You want to talk about the dream you had last week. Nobody fucking cares.

Starting point is 00:52:57 And I feel like if you understand that you're speaking to a stranger that has no context, doesn't give a fuck about your day, doesn't give a fuck about, you know, your new cat or whatever, and you appeal to a full stranger that could live anywhere that has any interest or job or whatever and you can entertain them, then, maybe you have a shot. If you're not that fucking funny and you're not that fucking interesting and you don't have a strong voice and you're insular and you're, you know, whatever self-indulgent, your podcast is going to suck. I see you put a little thought into this. I do. I feel so strongly about it because it kills me. You know what's funny though, Jackie? I swear and maybe wouldn't believe

Starting point is 00:53:38 this now looking at Dear Media, but I do start every conversation trying to talk people out of doing it. Because again, not everyone should do it. I touched on in the beginning. I was like, if people come in and the first question they have to me is like, can I make money? I'm like, okay, the first question you should ask is like, are you interesting and can you actually build an audience? Second question is like, hey, I don't really have time. I don't do this as a side thing. You've got to be a full thing.

Starting point is 00:53:58 I think if you can't do an episode sitting on a mic by yourself. But I will give. That is a good one. But here's what you just said. If you can't do an episode sitting by yourself, that is what you just said. I think that is a really good. I think that's the test. Do you know what else I tell people?

Starting point is 00:54:13 If you're dependent on guests every time, you probably can't do it. By the way, can I tell you a little fucking secret? I have decided I hate having guests. I never want another guest in my whole fucking life. We invited ourselves on your podcast. Well, you guys don't count. You guys don't count. I'm saying I am not doing the thing anymore where I have to like, well, could you send

Starting point is 00:54:32 over topics? No, Cheryl. I'm not sending over topics because I don't do that. We don't have topics. Hold on. Hold on. You don't want to be a guest on someone's show or you don't want a guest on your show. Oh, you're talking about like if press asked you to send the topics or the guests

Starting point is 00:54:44 ask you like in a event. Never doing that. We don't do that. care to have guests on my show anymore. Can you vaguely describe the experience that made you feel like that? Because I feel like there's an epiphany. Oh, there's tons of them. There's tons of them.

Starting point is 00:54:58 I realized during lockdown that I can, I can carry it on my own back. And I had very little to fucking pull from. I love your humble attitude. I know. She's so grounded. I just, I like the freedom of having full creative control, knowing when to keep it moving, knowing what people want to hear. After, you know, six and a half years, you figure out what people like and what people

Starting point is 00:55:27 don't like. And believe me, I get enough fucking feedback in my Instagram DM. So I kind of know, every time I have a guess, people are like, if it's someone I don't have a rapport with, it's always like, hey, this episode, I don't like her. And it got a little boring. And I'm like, you know what? let's just kick it. Well,

Starting point is 00:55:45 let's just kick it. When you take us on your podcast journey, I'm going to let you be the captain and all just like, I'm just along for the ride. Just tell me where to stand. No, I will. But I will.

Starting point is 00:55:58 It's hard with comedians, I will say, that I have encountered. Most of those episodes have never seen the light of day. Not really fucking funny. Only setting you up for their next bit. I'm not in the mood.

Starting point is 00:56:10 Okay. I noticed that, too. It's funny when comedians, and I'm not talking about all of them, I'm talking about some of them. Yeah. Me, it's the same. A lot of them, like, aren't funny. It's weird. Yeah. They don't know how to shoot the shit. And then it's extra work. Because it's almost like they're used to setting up bits. Exactly. And then you're like, I feel like a pawn in a chess game that I never wanted to play. I wouldn't call you a comedian. I would call you a personality. I am not a fucking comedian. But you're the funniest. It's weird. That's sweet. I don't know. A lot of people,

Starting point is 00:56:42 people fucking hate me. They're really going to hate me after this episode. That's fine, too. You know who I think you would like to podcast with who you do really well with is the morning toast. I know I've never done. Yeah, I've met Claudia, but we've never, we haven't done that yet. I feel like you guys would be like, yeah, it would be great. I've heard that. I mean, I haven't met her sister, but Claudia and me, we went on an influencer retreat together and we hit it off. You know what? There's some things that we've learned over time with obviously we've had a lot of guess. Yeah, yeah. There's parameters.

Starting point is 00:57:12 Like there's no brief. There's no PR. There's no like, you don't get a like set up. But your show's so informative. Well, I think, you know,

Starting point is 00:57:19 you're helping people. But like we've had, there's been like eight to 10 episodes we just don't air. Like, okay. Like if you come in with like a real PRE, like I need this.

Starting point is 00:57:27 I need these edits. Like people come in after like, I need all these edits. I'm like, I'm just not going to air the fucking thing. I don't care. Like I don't care if you come on. Like,

Starting point is 00:57:33 if you want to come on and shoot the shit and have a conversation and talk to the audience and like keep it light and fun and do this. Anything that feels overcrafted or overmints like makes me uncomfortable. So when I'm not having fun, this is narcissism hour. If I'm not having fun, I don't want to put it out. Kim Cotral said she doesn't not want to have fun for one hour of her life. She said she has to be having fun at all time. I feel that way.

Starting point is 00:57:59 Here is the biggest piece of advice that I can give to anyone that is thinking about podcasting, but outside of everything we just said. But now I see like, you know, I'm running in there. I see all the like numbers. analytics. Everybody thinks that guests and people move the needle. It's the host. If you don't come back, like the listener is there for the host. It might be nice. You get a big name. It might spike the numbers a little bit. We've seen that. But like what consistently keeps the show going is because there's a connection to the host. If you think you're somebody that could come in and just like

Starting point is 00:58:31 have a deep roster of like big name guests, like it's not going to move the needle. Nobody gives the shit. They are there for whoever's hosting the show. Heather McMahon also does a good job. But you guys together. I love her. She is the biggest star in the world. I mean, I couldn't love her more. And I would say she's not a comedian either.

Starting point is 00:58:48 I'd say she's a funny. No, she's a comedian. She is. Oh, yeah. Full stand-up comedian. She is? Yeah,

Starting point is 00:58:53 she's going on to her. Oh, I thought she was more of a personality. I didn't know she's a comedian. Me and Andrew went and saw her and Andrew cried. Like laughing so hard. No, he also,

Starting point is 00:59:02 her show is amazing. Hi, Heather, you're welcome for the free plug. You know, I don't do this. Her show is so great and so funny and also like very heartwarming. Like Andrew got misty. Really?

Starting point is 00:59:12 Oh yeah. It's great. All the feels. I think that's important though with the comedian that they can take you all over the place. But she's also not on. Like that's the beauty of her. Because I don't really have any comedian friends except for her because there's not like it's not like the light stem and then she's this, you know. She's another one though that's like a real one.

Starting point is 00:59:29 The realist. Like I think like where like. Yeah, she's fucking incredible. You know, I feel like I understand like there's a business behind everything. but it's like I think going back to like you and I like the reason it works is it's very straight like for there's no no filler there's no bullshit what it's just like hey we could do this could do this if this works this doesn't like people would deal like actually you know people give you shit a lot time Jackie but like I would like I personally love you and respect you so much because like I feel like

Starting point is 00:59:56 like you're such a straight shooter like I can't do the thing I don't want to it's like we work very well I tell Lauren all the time I'm like in my eyes no matter what and I told you this I'm like you could do no wrong for me. I gave you one call one time telling you not to do a clothing deal, which I actually think you should thank you for. Yes, I thank you very much. That's the one. And I thought about it. I've seen all the headlines. I thought about it at the time and I was like, fuck, I hope Jackie doesn't think like, because of we're the relationship with your media that I'm coming in trying to step in the middle. I just genuinely, I'm like, this is not going to go well. I have not had an experience in my life as bad as that situation.

Starting point is 01:00:33 Yes. And I, that sentiment was mimicked by a lot of people. It is, dodge a bullet. You, and the energy of it, knowing you of the people that you were dealing with would have,

Starting point is 01:00:48 like, it's no synergy. Well, those headlines would be you. I know, like it'd be you. And yeah, that's not good.

Starting point is 01:00:55 So thank you. Yeah, that's a facade. But you know at the time because I was like, we're just starting on. Like, it's weird because.

Starting point is 01:01:00 I was like, I'm going to do silky pajamas with I, you know what I mean? Do silky pajamas. Just don't do it with those people. No. As soon as you put on,

Starting point is 01:01:07 like, a network cat. Like there's always, listen, I get it. And we had the same thing. You're, there's always like this guard. It's like, is, is someone taking advantage of me because I'm trusting my brand? That's the nature of the business. So whenever, when people are getting a cut of what you make, I'm a cynical human being. I don't come from like a showbiz family. Everyone that I, everyone in my family is in like finance or real estate or like something boring. So when you don't come from that, you don't know it in every. And people do work off of taking a piece of the pie. naturally you question you should question that's a smart a smart person should and would

Starting point is 01:01:43 my mentality is always if i'm not making you a much bigger fucking pie yeah then you don't need me and also for sure if someone comes to me and they're like i don't i don't i'm like good good by yeah you i know i'll tear the fucking agreement out him like i'll tear the agreement up good like i don't like i think i think that's a very old school and i get why it exists hollywood agency mentality I lock you in this contract. I lock up your rights. I lock your music rights. I got you.

Starting point is 01:02:08 If you want to fucking work with me, there's somebody else. I also think in business. Actually, before you go to the next subject, I just want to let everybody know that I, that he is absolutely speaking from the heart on that. And if someone were to try to say, oh,

Starting point is 01:02:21 I would say people would go, I'm fucking, you go good back. Somebody wants a promotion. If him and I. When's your court? When's your reviews? I literally agreeing with him.

Starting point is 01:02:29 If him and I get in a fight, you always take his side. It's getting exhausting. No, that's not true. Yeah, you do. Oh, no, no, I'm not trying to make this an expose about me, though. I'm just trying to point out that there's a new wave of the way things are getting done in like Hollywood town. And I think a lot of people are going to have to evolve their business model to recognize like, hey, like the way things used to work is not the way things are going to work in the future. No, if you're confident in what you do, why do you need all of the tethers and the anchors? You know what I mean? It's just, it feels like fuckery. It feels like too that and I've experienced.

Starting point is 01:03:03 this. I'm sure you have two that there's so many weasels that like aren't really doing anything. They're just running in circles trying to get a piece of the pie. Oh, God. Yeah. And it's like, what are you actually doing? What are you actually bringing to the table? Running around acting chaotic and busy, what I'm realizing is like there has to be a reason that we're that we're doing something together. We eat what we kill. That's what I tell every single person I work with. I'm like, if you don't bring it, you don't kill it. You're not taking a fucking bite. That is. that is good. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:03:35 Well, that's the way it should be. I literally said, I sent an email a couple days ago. Like, oh, hey, this, are,

Starting point is 01:03:41 is so-and-so commissioning? I said, absolutely not. No. I cut everybody out of everything if they're just there, they're not doing anything. No,

Starting point is 01:03:50 no, if you didn't, no, just because you're C-Ced on an email that you don't get a commission. That's not fucking happening. It is the old way, though.

Starting point is 01:03:57 Like, I notice even when I work with, I work with certain people, they're always trying to get something for doing nothing. Or like a project gets to the end and it's almost final. Like, hey, like how am I getting? It's like, where are you been this whole time? No, no, no, no, no, no, buddy.

Starting point is 01:04:12 Welcome to the fucking ballpark. You're out. You're on the bench. A hundred percent. Taylor, thank you for being on this episode. Thank you, Taylor. You really carried the show. I would appreciate it, though, if the next compliment came to me, not Michael,

Starting point is 01:04:26 because you have been. Are you kidding me? I paid you the best compliment earlier. I said every guy in the sixth grade was India. Oh, that's a really good. Give me a compliment. Jackie, every time I see you, you brighten up my day. And that's the truth.

Starting point is 01:04:38 That's a lot of people. You can do better. You can do better. Feels ever green. Really? Yeah, give me something else. Okay. Say something actually like really niche.

Starting point is 01:04:45 Really niche. Yeah. I think I get along really well at Jackie because I think I identify with her humor so well. So this is about you. That's a compliment. That's not a compliment. Something else. We'll all wait.

Starting point is 01:04:57 Yeah. You're just fantastic, Jackie. You're the sunshine of my day. You already said that. Damn it. Fuck. Let's get back to this one. Wow.

Starting point is 01:05:04 Yeah, why don't you fucking think about it? You can't think of anything for Jackie. I can think of something unique. I can think of a hundred things. Think about something and you're going to say it on my episode. I know what. I know what. For all, and I've told you this too, for all the times that you say on the podcast that

Starting point is 01:05:17 you're like, oh, like I just put on t-shirts and lay around and not fashionable. You are so fashionable and you have style. For sure. She thinks she has style. I always think, wow, you're dressed to impress. Your compliments. Taylor, you're dead to me. Anyways, thank you so much for having me.

Starting point is 01:05:36 Thank you for coming on. Taylor, this is my last and final question. It's yes or no. You cannot say anything besides yes or no. He can't do that. Did you beat your meat to me on a Monday in sixth grade? No, I never did. You never made the spank thing. Another insulting.

Starting point is 01:05:50 One word, Taylor. One word. I said no first. That's okay. Well, you just ended it real rude. So get your compliment ready for Jackie's show. Thank you for coming on. Tell everyone where they can find you, follow you, podcast, everything.

Starting point is 01:06:02 I have two podcasts, the bitch Bible, and mind, body, no soul. And you have to listen to Mind, Body, No Soul, because I think it's genius. And that's it. Tell us, I'm going to make you force you to, like, tell us all about it. It's fucking, it's just great. It's just a great, great fucking show. You're using adjectives like, Taylor. We need more.

Starting point is 01:06:21 It's a satirical guided meditation podcast. It's wellness for the unwell. Some people need a little less namaste and a little more shut the fuck up and get your shit together. And that's my elevator pin. It's cortisoly. Kind of, but also like some people need a little rage. Yeah. I want to be hot and bothered in the morning.

Starting point is 01:06:40 I don't want people to tell me. That's not saying. We don't always have to feel good. I want to like good vibes only. Bad vibes are the best. Lauren only likes good vibes. I will listen to your morning meditation. Of course, I already have.

Starting point is 01:06:54 But I am going to have my sound more near. You're going to need it. I'm like maybe an exorcist. It just feels good. Someone like me like, I wake up. I don't want to be like, okay, today we're going to have, I want someone to like, fucking give it to me. Yeah, sometimes I just want to be like, I want to send a dark pit of despair and just be angry. Yeah, like, what's wrong with that sometimes? I'm better when I'm angry. I'm more functioning. I'm more

Starting point is 01:07:18 articulate when I'm a little rashy. I don't like when he wakes up and looks for what's wrong. My anger in the morning gets me going. But I like, sometimes I wake up and I say to Andrew, I'm like, I want to fucking tussle. Like that's what gets my dick hard. Okay. Listen to her podcast, both of them. Poor Andrew. What's your Instagram handle? What's Leo's?

Starting point is 01:07:40 Leo's in the house. Leo is here. Oh, my gorgeous. It's at Jackie Schimmel. You guys follow her. I'm probably shadow banned. Monthly shadow band. Yeah, it gets lifted band every time.

Starting point is 01:07:50 Every other week. And Taylor's is at Till's you die if you were compelled by his company. Just in case you want to come check out my cool content. Yeah, I don't have content. Make sure you wipe the history of that. computer back there before the next producer comes in here. Please. Please.

Starting point is 01:08:04 Thank you, Jackie. Thank you so much. Do you really beat your meat twice a day? Do you want to win a signed copy of Get the Fuck Out of the Sun? It's available on Amazon, Barnes & Noble, Target, and where all small books are sold. All you have to do is tell us your favorite part of this podcast on my latest Instagram at Lauren Bostic. And someone from the team will drop into your DMs and tell you, you won.

Starting point is 01:08:26 We will personalize it, make it all cute, whatever you want to say. And with that, thank you so much for listening and we'll see you next time.

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