The Bossticks - Janice Dickinson - The World's First Supermodel Shares All The Juice

Episode Date: February 12, 2024

#659: Today, we're sitting down with the legend, Janice Dickinson. Janice is one of the most successful models of the 1970s and 1980s, an author, and she also served as a judge on four cycles of the reality series America's Next Top Model. Today, we're having a conversation about her life, success, and the secrets she talked about in her book, 'No Lifeguard on Duty.' We discuss how the modeling industry has progressed since the 70s, what it was like being a supermodel in her era, and she also shares insights about her favorite ex-boyfriends (with Mick Jagger being a top one). She also provides information on Bill Cosby, her childhood, and all the best skincare tips. To connect with Janice Dickinson click HERE To connect with Lauryn Evarts Bosstick click HERE To connect with Michael Bosstick click HERE Read More on The Skinny Confidential HERE To subscribe to our YouTube Page click HERE For Detailed Show Notes visit TSCPODCAST.COM To Call the Him & Her Hotline call: 1-833-SKINNYS (754-6697) This episode is brought to you by The Skinny Confidential This episode is brought to you by Caraway Ditch the chemicals with Caraway. Visit carawayhome.com/SKINNY to receive 10% off your next purchase. This episode is brought to you by Beis Beis has thought of everything you could ever want in a piece of luggage...360 degree gliding wheels, a cushioned handle, built-in weight indicator, washable bags for your dirty clothes, and all the interior pockets you need to keep organized. Go to beistravel.com/skinny for 15% off your first purchase. This episode is brought to you by Branch Basics The Branch Basics Premium Starter Kit will provide you with everything you need to replace all of your toxic cleaning products in your home. It's really a no-brainer. Go to branchbasics.com and use code SKINNY for 15% off their starter kit & hand soap, plus free shipping. This episode is brought to you by Dreamland Baby Use code SKINNY at checkout for 20% off sitewide & free shipping at dreamlandbabyco.com This episode is brought to you by Vegamour Give your hair the power of the little pink bottle. Visit vegamour.com/SKINNY and use code SKINNY at checkout to receive 20% off your first order. This episode is brought to you by Ritual Start a daily ritual that you can feel good about. Visit ritual.com/SKINNY to receive 20% off your first month of Ritual. Produced by Dear Media

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Being on America's next stop model was, it was contagious. You know, I knew what I was talking about. I was the only person on the show that knew it. They were talking about the rest of the judges just, yes, tirade of death. And I would sit there and go, no, we would just need more to see what the world actually looks like and how it does exist in the modeling world. I have to be honest. I normally don't get nervous for interviews. But this one, I was a little nervous.

And that is because we are sitting down with a legend. Janice fucking Dickinson. What an icon. She is one of the most successful models of the 1970s and 1980s. She is the world's first supermodel. She is also an author. A judge on four cycles of the reality show America's Next Top Model. She's also a singer.

We'll get to that. And she has a few famous experts. boyfriends like McJagger. She gives us all the meat and potatoes on McJagger. In this episode, we're going to talk about growing up with an abusive father, how she got her start in modeling, McJagger, more famous ex-boyfriends, modeling, the industry, how it's changed, Tyra Banks, pretty woman, Bill Cosby, why she got sober, and all of her skincare tips. I think this episode is super special to me because my mom and my aunt when I was a little girl, probably about like 14 or 15, gave me Janice's book, no lifeguard on duty. And I read it and like fell in love with her honesty. I just liked how she was such an

oversharer. And she told it how it was. And she told it how it is. And then I bought her next book. Everything about me is fake and imperfect. And I just like laughed the whole book. And then when I was an adult, I went back and read both of her book. and now I have a signed copy. So it's really full circle to have Janice on the podcast. I know you're going to love this episode. Janice Dickinson, welcome to the show. This is the skinny confidential, him and her. I have harassed Janice Dickinson to come on this podcast for, I think if you, I told you if you scroll back in your Instagram for maybe five years. I read your book, your books 15 years ago, fell in love with you, read them again, recommended them to my friends who read them. And I'm just so excited you're here.

The world's first supermodel on the skinny confidential. Oh, gosh darn. I'm so happy. I want to sort of do this podcast like your life story. And I'd love to start with your childhood because you talk about that in the opening of your book, No Lifeguard on Duty. What was your childhood like? In retrospect, it was happy because I chose to make it happy.

But in my house, my father was a pedophobic. file and he was molesting my oldest sister like as often as he could and I was just always privy to that knowledge and I would do anything to separate them like scream if they were in a room together I'd start screaming and it was painful and I did not know how to I didn't know how to tell my mother because my father told me that he would kill her or something yeah what age did you become aware of this About one of us five. Oh, my God. Yeah.

It's just, you know, it's just, it just shouldn't have taken place. It's so wrong. Well, I mean, just thinking about that dynamic, it's like it's the person that's supposed to protect you and love you, but also probably at that time, the disciplinary in the house. So you're worried about upsetting that person. And then your sister's there suffering and not able to tell your, I mean, that is just, that is just heavy. to contemplate. It was hard. But I did have other aspects of my life that were great. When my father wasn't around, he was a merchant marine seaman. He'd go off for months and months at sea,

and that was great because it would just be us girls in the house, my younger sister, my older sister and myself, and my mom. And that was just a blast because we all laughed a lot. Yeah, we had to go to church. We didn't like the discipline of going to church, but she made us do it twice a week in Catholic school. It's devastating. Were you always a spitfire when you were young? Yes. Yes, always had to have the last word. And how did that go with your dad? Didn't go well at all. No, he hit me a lot. So every time you spoke out, he just was like, get back in line. Yes. So you've always been this outspoken, unapologetic type of woman since you were little. Yes.

Do you look back on your life when you were super little and see things too that you are now? Like, did you know that you were like so beautiful and you wanted to be a model? I did. I just did. I mean, that sounds conceited. But I just knew that I was different from anyone I'd ever seen. I'd look around. There was no one in the magazines.

I was going through magazines in age nine. I didn't see anyone that looked like me or resembled me at all. And so I said, I said, there's a place for you. to me. I said, it's a little me. What was your first big break? Getting this campaign, it was called Dim, D-I-M-D-M, and it was for, it was for Altershear stockings.

It was all over the, all over the subways in Paris and Milan. And it was just me with this gaping smile. And my legs just coming out of nowhere. My legs were just so long. And that's when I first knew that I hit, had hit some nerve or vein in the industry. When you look back, modeling must have been a way too for you to almost like escape your house. Like it was sort of like a ticket to get out, it seems like. That's pretty good.

It's a pretty good thing to notice. And what about your sister? She went off and went to college and she just, she lived her life. She got married and she had a husband. My younger sister, she went to school. I brought her to Paris at a later date, so she became a model as well. And how do both of you get past that childhood trauma? What does that look like when you start to both go off on your own?

Oh, well, I overspent. I didn't know when to stop if there were like trays of Coke. I didn't know how to stop. Alcohol. I could pretty much stop with alcohol because the taste of it made me sick. I just wanted to be at the party. I didn't want to be alone. You know who also said that in her book, Paris Hilton?

She was molested in boarding school. I have a lot of respect for her. And she said that the reason that she liked to DJ and she liked to go out so late is she never wanted to go home and close her eyes. She wanted to be around people all the time. So people are always like, how can you stay out until 4 a.m. every night? And she loved it. Easy. I mean, it makes sense.

You don't want to be in the dark. You don't want to be alone. No. You don't want to be surrounded by noise and people and feel safe. Mm-hmm. I've met her. She's lovely. I mean, she's built an incredible career, I'd say, you're the first supermodel.

She's the first influencer. She's starting to now get a lot of credit, but for a long time, she didn't get nearly enough credit. But now, if she's getting it now, let's support her, man. She's cool. So what was the industry like pre-Janus and post-Janus? The industry changed because you came in it and sort of made the world's first supermodel. What did the industry look like pre-you and post-you? It was bland.

It was bland. The girls were bland. I had a tendency to hang out with Patty Cleveland, just really weigh out models that were cool. So when you came in and you started creating your own brand as a supermodel, did that change the industry? I don't know if I changed the industry. You think so?

How? I think that before there wasn't a personality to the model. There was no attitude. Yeah, I think that you came in and showed that there was something more than just a pitcher. Yeah, I had a big mouth, like I said, and I loved to talk and I loved to make people laugh. And I loved hanging out with stand-up comics. That was my thing.

You added color to the industry a little bit. Like, it just felt, like you said, it felt bland. And then you came in and it was more, there was more dynamics to it. It wasn't just a picture. There was a personality behind the picture. And whoa, when Studio 50s had four started, I was like the bell of the ball. I was there every single night. Tell us every detail about that.

Every detail about that, it was like I just just went and danced and had a glass of champagne and a cigarette, and I was just dancing. I just never sat down and danced from 11 to 2, and then I went home. I was faithful about going home and getting rest. Who is at Studio 54 at this time with you? Everyone. McJagger? Yes. Is he really all potatoes?

What did you say? All potatoes, no meat? He's a lot of fluff. Really? That's such a letdown. I know. Oh. You know, he let me down so bad.

I mean, there we were, apparently, so in love with one another. He was cheating on his girlfriend at that point. I didn't really care because he told me he was going to dump her. Of course, you never believe guys. Biggest mistake in the book, believe in us, guys. I shouldn't believe you. No, you should believe me. He looks honest.

Yeah. You never know. You got to keep him in line. So Mick Jagger had a girlfriend, and he was also courting you at the same time. Yes. And he told you he was going to leave the girlfriend. Yes. So what happens when you guys are all at Studio 54?

We never really went out together in public. How did he find you in the first place? Or did you find him? We met it on the rocks up here, the Whiskey go-go. Oh, that's cool. And on the rocks, there's this private club owned by Lou Adler at the time. And you're just in there hanging out. Yeah, I was on the dance floor, just dancing my ass off.

Like I said, I go out, I dance. And he took what he looks over. And he sees this ball of energy Just like bopping around Who was the most fun celebrity that you dated? I feel like a lot of them were after you They were Yeah

Warren Beatty, right? Yes He was pretty handsome That's a charming guy Everyone thinks he's so handsome You don't I don't know because maybe I No maybe I see him now

I don't know what he looked like When he was super young Oh Google him Warren Beatty was A Warren Beatty's hot Warren Beatty was the hottest Yeah but it seems like

That he was with everyone everyone. So? I know, I guess. Okay, let's see what he looks like young. Okay, he's cute. My publisher, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, he's cute.

She's going, she was with everyone. Oh. Yeah, he was Dick Tracy. He was pretty hot. Look at that. Come on. He's pretty hot. I feel like though he knows he's hot.

Of course he does. Right. How can you know? Okay. So Warren Beatty was that one that you look back at and you're like, that was fun. Yeah. I would, I would wake up at like four o'clock in the morning and he was, he was, he wasn't around in the bed or anything. And I looked, I looked in the bathroom and he was like just sitting

staring at himself going. That makes me like him even more, actually. He was staring in the mirror. Yeah, that would be a turnoff to some. I think that's even cooler. Like, what the hell are you doing up for and then I'm staring at yourself? And that's what you got to do if you're warm baby. He's like naked, I bet, in the mirror just looking at every ab. Yeah. That's a lot to take on for a girl, though. No, I didn't mind. You didn't mind. No. You got it. Yes. Who else was fun to go on a date with? Jack Nicholson. Oh, yeah. Oh, that's my top. favorite. He was fun. He was so fun. This is before he got bloated and put on weight, lost all his hair. Good personality, huh? Great. Who else was

fun? Give us the juice. The juice on men. Well, it's all here in the book. It's all in the book. It's all in the book. Were you mostly attracted to guys that were just like fun and funny and outlandish? It just sounds you mentioned earlier you were almost with stand-up comics. I don't think she liked wallflowers. No, I like somebody who had some punch, some fabric, some, some, like my husband, he's the smartest guy I've ever met. He's always reading, which, which kind of bores me that he's always reading, but he's reading everything in the world, everything. Him and Michael would get along. But don't you think that makes him more interesting because you can, I guess you can converseate with all sorts of different things.

Yes. Not just a wallflower. Yes. Yeah. What, if you were to describe Studio 54, to our generation. How would you describe it? What was so different and special about it? Because, I mean, it's so iconic. Everyone talks about it now, but, like, you were really there. You were in it. It was eclectic.

It was, it wasn't your average daddy. You know, you'd see girls walk in with pimps and hose. And you'd see just like top models with designers. You'd see, you know, beautiful. people with one another. Just beautiful people. It was a haven for, you know, hedonistic lifestyle. What about the models that you were surrounded by? Who were the people that you hung out with? Well, there was Iman, Bowie. What's not to love about her? She seems fun. She was from Kenya, and she was always, this is mine, this is yours. How can you talk like this? She had this

accent that was great. It was Kenyan. Maasai, Kenyan. She was great. All the models. I mean, I hung out with a girl named Bitten. I hung out with Gia Karanji. I hung out with Patty Hansen, Sean Casey, Pat Cleveland, Apollonia. What was that like when Gia went through everything that she went through? That seemed like it rocked your industry. Really sad. Yeah. Here's a girl that was just so incredibly beautiful. You don't even know how beautiful this. girl was. She was a picture of her in this book somewhere. She looked like a baby Sophia Loren. I guess she'd never got the girlfriend that she wanted. She just took it out on herself as far as

heroin goes. She'd hit herself up before these shoots. And I was privy to watching it and I would say, I would beg her to stop. And she would just laugh at me and pull out a switchblade and act like a little jerk. heroin was prominent in that time. For some reason, I thought it was more cocaine. It was more cocaine, but it was prominent as well, too. You could find anything you want back then. How do you think that the modeling industry has changed

from when you were in it to now? I think the designers are afraid, are afraid today. They weren't afraid back in my day. They weren't afraid just to put out sketch a design and have it out overnight and just see their, their designs like on the runway three days later. They really were prolific and pushing their ideas and their collections. What about the models now compared to when you guys had models? Is it similar? Different? I think the models are way different. You have a bunch of influencers out there

today. Right. You have Paris Hilton. She's still an influencer. You have Gigi Hadid. You have, you know, Chris Jenner. Not Chris Jenner. Kendall Jenner. You have like all those, all those Jenners, all the million of them. They stack up to what young girls must be bored. Young girls sitting at home, you know, like listening to Taylor Swift's song music. Not that that's bad because I think Taylor Swift is like friendly and upbeat and my daughter loved singer in concert. Oh my God. People are obsessed. Yeah, that was a big thing in this office. people got obsessed. And what about Beyonce?

She's like the same. Yeah. People are obsessed with her too. Yeah, people get obsessed with them. It's like a community. So when you look at the models now as influencers compared to when you guys were supermodels, the differences are a lot of them are influencers now,

whereas you guys didn't have social media. We didn't have social media at all to save our lives. We barely had cell phones. So how did you become so known without the vehicle of social media looking back. Word of mouth. Yeah.

Were you super professional on set? 100%. What did that look like? It looked like a great model showing up early like I did here. Yeah, I got worried when you got here today because there was a set Janice is here

and it was like 45 minutes before. I was like, oh shit. No, but I didn't have my makeup on or anything. I wanted to. Yeah, you get ready. But I was worried because when they told me I thought that I was like, did we give her the wrong time?

When we messed up here? No, no. You're sweet. You're sweet. With America's next top model, too, I feel like there was a different time where you could actually say it how it is. Now I feel like you can't, you can't do that. Oh, she, she was an editor.

She was a great editor. The woman who did the show? Tyra Banks. Tyra Banks. Yes. Are you guys get along still or you, no? No. We didn't get along on the show.

That was real. We didn't get along. Why don't you get along? The show, I don't know. What's not to love about me? I don't know. I mean, you seem pretty fun. I just met you and I like you.

Yeah, thanks. Yeah. Pretty cool. I thought that was fake for the show that you guys didn't get along. I didn't realize in real life you actually don't get along. Oh, if you want to pay me a fee, a salary, you say, okay, your job is to be the protagonist. You're going to make me look good. By in any way, shape, or form your character has to dance around whatever I say because my word is God.

Out of all the stuff that you've done, what is the favorite thing looking back? Because you've had a lot of different career changes. On top model? Yeah. No, top model. Was it being a super model? Was it all of the stuff that you've done? Being a writer, everything, looking back on your whole career.

Being on America's next stop model was, it was contagious. You know, I knew what I was talking about. I was the only person on the show that knew it. They were talking about. The rest of the judges just, yes, tirade of death. And I would sit there and go, no. Wrong contestant, wrong color of this. skin wrong. You need more diversity. You need more black girls. Could you say that? We need more,

you know, Asian girls. We just need more to see what the world actually looks like and how it does exist in the modeling world. Well, what's so interesting that I think maybe you don't even know is you were almost diverse looking. You were so diverse looking when you started modeling. Like at that time. Yeah, everyone was blonde. with blue eyes, right? Yeah. Yes. So it's really evolved.

Yes. It has. And now you see all these little girls, you know, even like, even the fill-ins for J-Lo, they all have like exotic looks. And I look at that and I think, okay, I had a, I had, there was a part of my hand that participated in exotic girls making it to the forefront. Changing it. Mm-hmm.

How did you, as when all. sudden you kind of break into the scene, how did you start managing fame? Did you like it? Or was it something that you kind of pulled back from? Well, I was clever with my work because I was able to maintain working for a lot of money for several years. So I just knew, I knew where the bread and butter was. You know, you don't mess with your vouchers. You don't mess with your agents. You don't mess with, you know, you're nice to your agents. You call them several times a day and just say, hey, fuck you, I love you, you know, or like whatever, whatever it is. How many fights have you and Susan gotten in?

None. None. Wow. Zero. Is it true that the song Super Freak was written after you? Ariel, who's here, my photographer, a blogger, told me that that song was written after you. It was. She's a super freaky girl. How did that song get written? Like, looking back, knowing. that the song was written after you, like, were there instances that you can think of? Well, yeah, because he, he was a hanger on at Studio 54

after the lights went out. And I was like there too. In fact, he got really mad at me because I called him Prince. I'd go, yo, Prince, what up. Why do you get mad? Why did he get mad? He got mad. Yeah, of course he got mad. Where Prince is like a lot more talented.

So how did you know the song was written after you? Did he like announce something? Oh, he told me. He told me. This one's for you. That's pretty cool. You call me Snake Woman. I mean, listen, that's pretty cool.

I know. Is it true? This is another rumor that we heard, that you almost were pretty woman. I was. Tell us that story. Like the Julia Roberts movie? Yes. The Julia Roberts movie.

I was married at that time. And I got the casting from Gary Marshall's office, and I knew what to wear to the casting office, like hot pants and like mid-drift top and overblown lipstick and overblown makeup. I was studying acting pretty diligently back in those days. It was just at the last minute, I caved because it was in front of just a bunch of just a bunch of handful of people. And that's where I caved. I could never The words of my father kept coming back to haunt me

You'll never make it You're not good enough I have that written down That he said that to you I can't imagine a father I mean that is He had his own demons Oh demon man

Yeah 100% Did he was he ever outed or caught Or did anybody ever figure I I told a policeman About his activities when I was called out of a classroom

because I had hit a little boy on a bicycle and I changed the accident because I was so afraid of my dad killing me for not being where I was supposed to be that night. And of course the little boy went home and told his mom what really happened. I knocked him over on the bike with my car. He wasn't injured.

The bike was a little screwed up. My car was a little screwed up. But I said, can we recreate this accident and somewhere else. Please, I'll give you all the money. I have in my pocket. I had like 30 bucks. You can have this 30 bucks and I'll get you a new bicycle, I promised.

And he said, okay, okay. But like the next morning I got to school in my first class, there was this nice police officer summoning me to the front door. And I knew I was caught. So this led to a big, a big hullabalooed by household. Like I told the police man that I can't tell my father the truth about this.

He'll just beat the shit out of me. And I'm tired of being beaten up all the time. I'm beaten up as is. And I told him about my sister. And he was like, you know, and I told him about how he came on to me early in my life. But I denied him. I just said, no, don't you touch me. why are some kids stronger than other kids?

They just are. So the policeman said he went over to my house and he had a long talk with my dad and he said if you ever touch this girl again if I find out that she has a black mark on her arm or she has a swollen lip or she has like, you know, droplets of blood coming out of her elbow, you're going to jail.

and that's what stopped him. Does your sister say that's what stopped him too when she looks back on it? I don't think so. I don't think she remembers. She was out of the house by then. Oh, my God. Yeah, that's drag.

Did you ever find out what was wrong with him? I mean, outside of like a lot of things, but do you ever figure out what his childhood was like or what happened to him? Well, he grew up in West Texas on a farm, on a horse farm with two brothers. They were always kicking him and beating him up.

So I guess that spilled into my lovely introduction to the world. Yikes. So those words that he said, I wrote them down because they were like so crazy. He said, you'll never amount to anything played in your head when you were getting cast for a pretty woman. Yes. It's so crazy to me how stuff from your past and your history when you were little comes through into your adulthood. It's so crazy. It's amazing.

It's amazing. I see it now with my two children. You know, I wasn't the sanest mother raising them. I was like lots of lively. My livelihood was modeling still, putting them through their classes and their childhood and their braces and their vacations and everything that has to do with being a single mom. I think I might have pushed my daughter too hard going. to do theatrical, these theatrical little plays that they had back in the grade school. I think I might have pushed her too hard.

She resents me for it. It's really hard once you become a parent because you have empathy for your parents. And you're like, oh, my God. And you constantly feel guilty no matter what. And the problem with it is is that if there's no like black and white to it, there's so much gray. Do you have kids? We have a four-year-old and almost two-year-old.

I mean, it's, you, you feel guilty if you leave. You feel guilty if you're there and you're not present. You feel, I mean, it's, it does. That's the mom syndrome. Come with it. Yeah, I asked him the other day to go, do you feel guilty? No. No, men don't.

I do. I don't know. But she gets mad if I don't. But I think it's like, it's the dynamic you're raised with. You see, you know, for we, it's very recent that we've kind of broken out of this traditional household, right? And I know my upbringing, I would see, my mom worked all the time. So it was a little different from me.

And so I'm attracted to. very strong women or woman that does. It was just, that's my norm. But I know a lot of guys that are in more traditional households and that's a little bit of a mind fuck for them to kind of wrap their head around, you know, maybe being with someone who's got a career and something different. But anyways, I never, you know, people ask her, do you have a nanny? They never ask me if I have an nanny. We work at the same time. I don't feel guilty for having a nanny. It's just like a norm. You need it. Yeah, I need it. But sometimes, I see sometimes she will feel guilty for, Oh, honey, let that go.

Yeah. You know, I say let go all these gilts that swarm your brain at night. When you're at work and you're not with your kids, when you're at home with your kids, you're thinking about your work. It's a conundrum. It's a conundrum of a bubble that if you just don't make you tap your feet, it just, it can manifest in ways that can give you, severe depression. Yeah. If you don't watch yourself.

How do you let stuff go? You go see a good therapist. Yeah. You see a good, get a good therapist. I married a shrink. Oh, that's efficient. Yeah, but he never shrinks me. Tell him to shrink you.

Shank me! Yeah, I would tell him to shrink me. Shrink me, motherfucker. I bet he's a great shrink. He was. He's retired. He was like, the shrink to the stars. Maybe I should interview him.

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He got off early due to a technicality. And like that technicality is a big bank account. So he's out of prison? Yeah. I had a separate civil lawsuit with him, which I made out handsomely. For you to speak out on that against that powerful of a man is really incredible. And it probably freed up other people to come forward. But he didn't scare me.

He didn't, he didn't scare me. I mean, he was in the courtroom. And, you know, I just remember going, ha, ha, ha, who's laughing now? ha ha i've got the final laugh because i can say it ha ha ha ha and he was like he was all flustered because he was pretending to be blind in the courtroom what i didn't know that and how old were you when all this happened with him oh when it first happened i was in my 20s and did you think you were just going to hang out with him yeah so i thought he was going to offer me a role right on on his television show

So he was basically doing the same thing Harvey Weinstein was doing. Yes. And he was slipping people stuff in their drink. Absolutely. 100%. And you know what's interesting about him is all the stories that all the women tell are the same stories. It's probably the same routine. Yeah, he did the same routine.

And it must have been like we're hypnosis or GHB or something he was putting in these people's drink. This is a blue pill. Remember. You remember. Mm-hmm. So when you left his house where you like, did you understand at that age what happened? or did it take you a while to process? I was so happy to be out and being recognized

for something other than being rules for a supermodel. I was happy to see that I had to see that I did have a comedic side to me and that I could possibly break into the world of comedy. I think anything's possible. I could probably still do it. Is one of the hard things about modeling is sometimes people only look at the visual aspect and they don't look at the person beneath? Is that one of the difficulties? I'd imagine. Yeah, it can kill a lot of people. The visual aspects, you know, once your face goes and like

the skin isn't as perfect as hers, you know, and it's like the skin goes and it's like, you know, be grateful for what you have. I mean, I look back at pictures of myself and now when I was Eurasian, I go, wow, God. And I thought then, even then, back then that I wasn't enough. I mean, more so like that and when you're in your prime and modeling, it's like people are just looking at you as a model and they're not listening to maybe what you think or what you have to say. I think people did listen to them. I made them. Yeah, it's kind of different. It's different with you. I made them listen because I was doing talk shows. People would call me all the time for advice. And I always took that amount of time to answer somebody

if they had a question about modeling or whatever. I liked helping people. Everything that you experienced when you were young, I think it's also even gnarlier now because of social media. And you don't even know if what you're looking at is real. So I think people like now I heard just the other day, like 30-year-olds are getting facelifts, like lower facelifts and necklifts. I mean, I hear this all the time.

It's just everything is like, sped up even gnarlier. Wow. Yeah. This is just going to fall and fall and fall and you have to keep doing it. I thought it's one and done. It's not one and done. No.

Okay. Gravity is not your friend, my dear. You have to work your body every day. You have to go on hikes. You have to balance it out with great food. You know, you can't overeat. You can't over drink. What was your epiphany to get sober?

Oh, I was letting myself down on a daily basis. when I was drinking because I couldn't say no to that, like, first glass of champagne, and I couldn't say no to the last one, vicious circle. When you decided to do celebrity rehab, were you sober, getting sober? Did you relapse after it? What did the trajectory of that look like? When I did celebrity rehab, I was addicted to ambient pills. Oh, wow.

Sleeping pills. See, I had to have an ambient pill at night to sleep, and I knew that that was wrong. because your whole sleep cycle is messed up if you don't have a sleeping pill right before you go to bed and 20 minutes later. And on top of it, you wake up in the morning, you're still hung over from the night before. Can't you wake up also in the middle of the night and sleepwalk? Does that happen on that? Sometimes. Yeah. When you went into Celebrity Rehab, it was Ambium, not alcohol. So was alcohol before that? Alcohol was way before that. But I had gotten a handle on that. I didn't realize it was Ambium. I think that that's not talked about enough. Ambient addiction. Oh, it's killer. It makes you

just, it could turn you into a monster. And I imagine the way you feel in the morning, like you said, hungover, is groggy, a fatigue. It's like a Trazidone funk. Yeah. It's, you could just be, just be, like, so out of it, like, I can't, no matter how many cups of coffee, you can't wake up from it. And it's, like, driving on the 4-05 to school, you know, lights not out yet. Not quite daylight yet. And I was looking at the lights and they're hurting my eyes. People need to talk about that more.

I think that that's a big addiction that's not talked about. I haven't heard a lot of people. Bring it up. I will. Well, I think there was a period of time when it started getting talked about briefly because there was something happened with a celebrity where they got up and, like, either went and did a bunch of racial slurs or went on a rant.

Well, maybe they blamed Ambien. They might have blamed Amian. Ambien. Yeah. That's what I called it. They like went into a rage on it. What was your experience like on Celebrity Rehab? Did you like it? I was afraid.

I was afraid that this might not have been the best choice for me of doing TV shows because it was very raw. Yeah. You know, Dr. Drew, who's a nice guy. He's been on here, yeah. He's a nice man, and he knows what he's talking about. Bob Forrest is a saint. You know Bob? Yeah.

He's a good dude. He's a good dude. Yeah. They both stroke each other's ego in ways. Bob! True! Oh, Roseanne Barr. Yeah, Roseanne, yeah, that's what happened.

She blamed a series of racist tweets on Ambium, which maybe it's true, maybe he's not. When you reflect now back on Celebrity Rehab, are you glad you did it or no? I'm grateful that I was given the opportunity to just survive one more day. I think the reason that that show was so crazy, because to your point, it was so raw. Like there was, I mean, people were really struggling on that show.

And I think it, I don't know if a show like that can exist anymore because you had. No. I mean, with all the things we're talking about. I mean, like, you really saw people going through it. I mean, can you imagine taking me off everything and just giving me to Trasidone to sleep with? Ludacrous. It is. It's like, here, let me replace this with us.

I need cocktails of meds. I'm on, I'm on, I'm on a good cocktail of meds. And you feel good. You look amazing. Thanks. Some days, what's happening later, lately is I can't sleep. Although I take sleep medication. I can't sleep.

I'm opening my eyes at like two or three in the morning and I can't go back to sleep. Crazy. That happens to me if I drink alcohol. I wake up in the middle of the night. I feel like, you know what? The best thing for sleep, this is really weird that's helped me so much is yoga nitra. I'm going to send you the link. Like NSDR deep sleep.

Yeah. And I put it on and I am asleep in 10 minutes and I stay asleep. It's like a, it does something to your brain. Yeah. I'm going to send you guys the link. I doubt anything could do anything to my brain at this point. What about the shrink husband? He can't do it even know my brain.

He can't do anything. What are your best? Yes, he can. Wait, quickly, before we get off this, for some reason I remember you in a jungle or something. Oh, yeah. Yes. I'm a celebrity, get me out of here. Yes, I just recently did that last September in Johannesburg.

You did it again? Yeah. What was that like? Well, I had to leave the show early because in the middle of the night, I fell down flat on my face, like, really horrible to look at. You did it twice, right? I did it three times. You did it three times.

Did you have to eat bugs? This time I ate a couple. Oh. It was the first time I was like, fuck you. Oh. Is that the one? worst part, the eating of the bugs, besides falling. Cow vaginas.

Oh, come on. Oh, yeah. They gave you cow vagina? Yeah, they gave us radical stuff to eat like gonads of goats and like, what's the grossest? The gonads. With the hair still on them. Oh, Jesus. Did it eat hairy balls? Well, eat hairy balls? Yeah, how do you think I feel? Well. You want to eat hairy balls? I sure don't.

Yeah. You two are darling. That's something I've managed to avoid in my years. I think I'll all stick to that path. I mean, I might send you on that show. You go eat hairy balls. I'm not going to lie. I wouldn't do good on that show.

You two are so cute. So cute. Thank you. Thank you. It's a lot of work. It turns which day you get us on. Yeah. So it's selected with every couple.

Yeah. Beauty tips. You're the one to ask. What are the beauty tips that you? you have been using that you know from your supermodel days that are the best of the best, the crem della crem, you can't go wrong. Water? Water?

You just can't get enough of water. I can't get enough of water. And I live for Dr. Lancer's vitamin C treatment. Oh, I've got to try that. Oh, it's like putting baby powder on your face. Is it a treatment you do at home or you go in? No, it's a treatment you do at home. Okay.

You wash your face with the products. I mean, I swear by this guy. Is that your go-to, like, for Derm? I need to go to him. Everyone loves him. He's the best. He's a snot-nose, but he's a good snot-nose. He's a good snout.

He's really smart. Yeah, he is smart. He's sharp. He's been on the show. He's been on the show. We should go in and see him, though. Yeah. He won't give you any discounts.

Because he's so good. This is the kind of guys doesn't need to. But you know what I like that. It's like despise the free lunch. A friend of ours is author Robert Green. He wrote this book, In the book, he says, despise the free lunch. There's nothing for free.

There's some price to pay, even if they give you a discount. I'd rather just know what I'm getting in for. May I ask you the same question? May I ask you the same question? Your skin is just like moist as it gets? The trick to my skin is I am militant about my skincare routine. Militant. I do not go in the sun.

I wash my face double cleanse every night. I put colostrum serum. I'll send you the exact. the show of the book that you wrote over there. I wrote a book on the skincare. But look at the title. I have one for. Look at the title. Get the fuck out of the sun. I will read this. Thank you. But the trick, I'm going to send you my exact routine, but it's basically a lot of vitamin C. Dolostrum. Colostrum, uh, Korean skincare toner, a double cleanse. And then I get

IPL laser for any. The red lasers. Lymphatic stuff. Lymphatic drainage. Another thing I do every single day's facial massage. I think that's the key. You do it to yourself. Uh-huh. I lift my eyebrows manually. I lift my cheeks. I lift my jaw.

I drain my face. I brought you an ice roller. Oh. Yeah. I'll give it to Zuzziad. A lot of ice. A lot of ice on my face. Don't models used to back in the day stick your face?

Oh, I did. It did the bathtubs. Yeah. Ice is amazing in the morning. Ice is amazing. Yeah. And then I just got a salmon semen facial. Which I really think worked.

From who? I live in Austin. So it's a girl in Austin. Her name's Jamie. She's a Korean facialist. But you could get it anywhere. It's exosomes. Yeah, I used...

I told her I would have given her one for free. Didn't you have to go pay for it. Thanks. Zing! So cute. So cute. So cute. Blob.

You've heard worse, Janice. You've heard worse. I use what Leonardo DiCaprio uses from Dr. Lanser. He has a sheep urine. sheep urine. Sheep urine. That's the first I've heard on this one.

I knew you would have a tip like that. That's what I want to hear. What's the sheep urine? It's sheep urine. Perfect. In a tube. And you put it on your face. And what does it do?

Smoothes it out? Something to do with the biogenetic makeup of your skin. I imagine sometimes the listeners of the show like writing stuff that practical things down. Like, okay, sheep urine. Okay, lost me at sheep urine. I don't care if I lose you.

I'm still kicking. Yeah. I know honestly, if sheep urine works, I will eat. shit for beauty. I will. You know what? If it works, it works, Michael. You'll answer back here with the sheep you're in. Lancer, what are you doing with that sheep you're in? Whatever. Whatever it has to work. Before you married your husband, you wrote check please, what is your opinion on dating in 2004? We have a lot of friends that are struggling because of the swipe, swipe, swipe, swipe. My daughter is 29 and I see her going through dumb changes.

I just think it's pathetic that people go on these websites to try to get dick. It's lazy. Yeah. Like so lame. It's... I'm not saying she's lame. She's not lame at all, my daughter. It's lazy for the guy.

He's lazy for everybody. No, but the guy is like, I feel like the guy banks him. You know what I mean? He just swipes on everything. Listen, if you give anybody... I saw this machine. that just swipes your phone. The guy just swipes on their phone with this machine.

Yeah, but the problem is if you give any human being endless optionality, in anything, then it just stops you from being able to focus on anything. Probably, give a kid eight toys and see what happens. Give him one toy and see what happen. Don't play with one. Yeah. Give him eight. They don't, you know,

they don't what to do. But no, I think I personally missed the whole dating out thing because Lauren and I got together young, like right before a lot of that stuff came out. And so what I use, used to have to do is actually go and walk up to people and start a conversation. And at the most, maybe you can talk to two or three people. I always talk about this. And so like, you really had to, you know, get to stick with it. If somebody showed any kind of interest, I'm like, that's the one.

You know, I got to stick with it. But I see now. Did you know she was the one? Her? Yeah, when we were 12 years old. That's true. I met him at 12. But I have not been together with him that long. I think like there's a misconception that we've been together that long. We met at 12. We got together at 21. 20, yeah. 20. Okay. Sorry. No. But anyway. But anyway. But anyway, But I see men and women in our lives that are in those worlds, and they really are, a lot of them struggle to find meaningful relationships. They date a lot. Like, there's no lack of dating frequency, but there's not a lot of long-term meaningful relationship. And I think it's just because it's easy to throw something away if you know there's 18 swipes waiting for you.

I mean, due to the advent of the computer and the cell phone, I mean, are our dates? of yesteryear were we were we were we were we were we were we were we just galloped you know let's go let's go to this place now get the horses out we we were just renegades that just went through it all with more fun more fun i wanted to ask you you are a real outlier when it comes to talking about plastic surgery On your book, everything about me is fake and I'm perfect. Obsessed with the title. It's so good. But you have exactly what you have done on this book. Why do you think you were able to come out and be so honest

where every celebrity on the planet just lies and says they're natural? What's the difference? I'm not afraid. You just want to own it. I do own it. By the way, I own it too. I'm like, this is what I've done. Look what you're doing with yourself.

Pop, pop, pop, pop. But then why do you, why do you, why do you? celebrities want to pretend like they're just naturally like that. I hate to say this. I'm going to bring it up. Nicole Kidman, what's going on there? She's ultra skinny. She's just, she's taking her dietary habits way too far and to the left or to the right. She's just way too skinny. And when you're skinny, when you're skinny, it's a bad skinny fat. The fat on your face will go get withdrawn. You look older.

Yeah. Yeah. I think the world of her acting. I think the world of her as a woman and what she's survived. Do you wish people were more outspoken about plastic surgery? I don't give a rat's ass about plastic surgery. I don't. There's just so many people that just act like it's nothing.

Like it's just natural. You mean Kardashian? The mother of the Kardashians? Tons of them. Blood facials and stuff? Yeah, everyone just acts. like it's like a laser and it's like not. I think it's cool that you came out. Because you wrote this book, this book was written like, I want to say what, 10 years ago? Yes. Yeah, 10 years ago and you came out

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You're busy. I met my husband on a blind date at the Chateau Marmont. Okay, I met his son previously. That's how I got to meet him at the Abbey. So I was about to throw down some serious joy juice and pounds of cocaine, whatever I was about to do. Graham, give me a pound. There was, there was an instant attraction between my husband and I when I met him. You know, he was just, he was so shy and I was so wanting to be liked that.

I didn't think he would like me because there it goes again. Not good enough. Not good enough for your average bear. That stuck with, that stuck with me. Even up until when I was meeting him and he just tell me no. Even after all of your accomplishments and everything you did, that stuck with you that long.

Wow. It's crazy how much damage something could do. It's such young age. Damaging. Yeah. Damaging to a child. What you say to a child, how you say it. The tone of your voice can be brutal on a young child.

You know, if you're like, you scream, I can't take it anymore. You'll be really careful how you address a child. So when you met on the blind date, did you like him right away? I loved him. He wore a three-piece linen suit in, like, the hottest day of, like, the year. He was just, he had a hat. He had an overcoat.

Where are you going? You look like Humphrey Bogart, you know, in one of Humphrey's films. And I was, like, dressed up like the biggest slut on the planet. I had this slut dress down to here. So all the, everything was drawn towards here with the tape, with the tape, with the extensions. This is all real hair. But the extensions were like,

you have really good hair. Yeah, what is that hair? Biaton. Wow. You two can have it. I just saw him and we just saw each other and the room shrank. We just started talking and everyone else seemed like they didn't have any meaning to be in our direct pathways of speaking. It was like the strangest thing ever.

Were men intimidated by you before you went on a date with him? Of course. So he wasn't intimidated. He didn't know who I was. was. No, he didn't. He got a he got a he got a he got a he got a he got a run down but he's he's really was a very busy man right like clients depended on him for his their lives and that he took care of the mechanics of the brain for people gosh I want to interview him he sounds smart he's so brilliant outside of obviously your beauty and your looks why do you think so many men were

intimidated by it? Is it because you're also so outspoken or Or do you think it was just the modeling? What do you? Just confidence. Confidence wears on a man if they're not confident themselves. Yeah. We see that a lot. They'll marry a really confident, dominant women thinking that they like it.

And then after a while, like you said, yeah, it starts to make the penis limp. It does. Yeah. I don't know why that is. See, I never yes. I never turned around and swallowed my pride or yes to anyone just to hear my own brain rattle. No, I can't do that either

I think I think that it takes a very specific kind of man to handle a woman who is on her own trajectory and beats to the tune of her own drum I think it's a very specific kind of man and I think it has a lot to do with the kind of mother they had

because if they were babyed and they're still attached to the umbilical cord then they want validation we have so my mom's half Japanese you wouldn't know anything looking at me because I don't look any I'm a quarter but my mom's half and she's a ballbuster and she's tough.

She used to play polo with men. Like she was the only woman on the field against men. That's fantastic. It's cool. And so anyways, what I got from it is, I always knew that my mother loved me and I always felt supported, but I wasn't babied. And it was like, okay, if I did something,

she was like, good job. But what I tell Lauren all the time is some of my guy friends whose mothers have babied them endlessly, even well into their 30s. It's like, you know, you see those guys that have that relationship. Not knocking it, But in my opinion, those are the guys that struggle the most when it comes to dating outspoken women. Because I don't think they're used to that kind of dynamic.

They're used to they can do no wrong dynamic. Where I step out of line for one second. But it's my one-year-old son. He goes, don't baby him. I'm like, he's a baby. So don't baby him. I say, well, like, you know, let him fall down, toughen him up a bit. Because I'm telling you, I see, I think it's important, especially the,

A ton! Like, don't soften them up too much. Anyways, I think it's good. I see a lot of... That must have been really interesting with Japanese culture. Well, I was trying to... I always... I mean, because I think, again,

people don't look at me and think that that culture would... But my grandma, who just passed, God rest her soul, she was a full Japanese woman, like, you know, moved from Japan here. And... He doesn't leave towels on the floor. She was very... Pretty clean. Like, Japanese culture,

was like, I always tell Lord, there was no, in my household, like, good effort. It was like, was it right or was it not right? Did you do it or did you not do it? Sometimes you're like, oh, how do you deal with that? You know, do you need those words out? And actually, looking back, I appreciate that. Right. It was like, it was kind of like, you know, there's a right and wrong way to do things. It was you get held to a higher standard. You're a pretty smart guy. Oh, that's nice. I appreciate that compliment. You sound, you sound really on a deeper level. You sound Really smart.

Well, thank you, Janice. He's going to take that and frame it. But no, I think. Put it on the audio of repeat and his head, his yoga, nitra at night. I look back on some things that I maybe uncomfortable from my childhood. But I appreciate them now because I think it gives you tools to deal with adult life. Does that make sense? Yes.

But what he's saying is that it take, I think it would be hard for you to find a man that can be comfortable with being married to you. Oh, I waited for 50 fucking years. I think it would be impossible for you to find a man. Yeah, it'd be hard to find a man. I waited. Yeah, I mean, and you know what?

It sounds like your husband's quietly confident. Totally. Yeah, it's the best. That's the best. And probably the mind games and stuff won't work on a guy like that. What's quite marvelous is that we can go for hours and not say a word to each other. Yep. Which is just bliss.

Oh. From your average, you know, your average day, you would cut. turn things off and just I could use a remote speaking of strong women I had a I have a business partner and hi Rana and she always used to give me this acronym

and it was wait this is why am I talking and I said that's what she would always say and I think about that all the time you should think about it in marriage well sometimes yeah sometimes silence is the best you break his balls

oh yeah oh my god they've he loves broken and smashed and thrown to the curve I eat them like I'm a celebrity get me out of here she would have to take a gorgeous woman

to break your balls well I don't want to be mean but I'm not trying to do that with an ugly woman you know so what is your own what is your life like now I'm working at music

tell us all about it I am I've just completed an EP that's was released New Year's Day. That is the number one dance album on iTunes. And I'm 68. And it's like I just get up and I've done like all these songs and I've got another one coming out. And I perform for the gays and they love it.

I get all glammed out like super glammed. you know, and singing and having an audience. That is pretty crazy that you are 68 years old and you have a number one dance song. Thank you. I mean, that's inspiring. That's, I mean, I, they just told me today. So did you go into this wanting to do something that was number one? Or did you just want to do something fun?

No, I just wanted to have fun. Girls just want to have fun. Yeah. Oh, girls just want to have fun. I think that what's so inspiring to me about you is that you is that you just want to be you've sort of written every single chapter of your life on your own terms and you've done it your own way. I think it's cool. But I do need another book. I'm going to get on that. But you know what? I would self-publish. We've had a lot of people come on the show recently, a lot of prolific

authors that have gone the route. Like Stephen Presfield, for example, he's a great author. He just self-publishes all his books and just distribute it. David Goggins self-published his book and did like, He's been, he's made multiple millions of dollars. From self-publishing. You should self-publish. I mean, I think you should do like a, like a what I've learned throughout all the chapters of your life. Well, a lot of the publishers. For someone who's my age that, like, wants to keep reinventing themselves as a woman, like, talk about all the chapters.

With juice, too. We need the juice. You need the heat. We need the heat. You need to bring the heat. We need to hear, hear about the meat and potatoes on McJagger. We need the heat. Oh, that is so devastating.

You guys will have to watch the YouTube to see what she just did. Oh, no. Well, listen, you can't have it all. I mean. Well, he has a big mouth and a big personality and a big voice. Can you imagine dating this guy? I mean, just like, you know, going to his concerts and just like sitting and waiting for him. No, we can't imagine.

That's why we want every speck of detail. This heartbeat of like a bass drum and your heart keeps up beating like a big bass drum. Unbelievable. What is the most surreal experience you've had in your life? That. That one. Going on the road with Rolling Stones. Yeah, there's probably nothing bigger than that, huh?

No. How many girls are throwing themselves at the Rolling Stones? Probably millions. So when you're with him, what kind of jealousy was that? Oh, I just looked the other way. You just looked the other way. You can't even... What are you supposed to do?

Let it get in your ether. and you kind of have to let it's almost like you have to let him do what he wants to do too right sort of but I imagine that's also where some of these guys get intimidated but I'm not ugly to look at no you're not ugly to look at and you're also like I feel like you're the whole package

you're fun you're smart right you can sing I mean what more does you want I think I'm the full package too by the way just so you know you know that you're the bride at every wedding and corpse at every funeral That's her all right That's funny

We just took our kids to Paw Patrol live You know Paw Patrol the little I don't know if you know it No she doesn't know what Pop Patrol is It's for four year olds And they go at the end of the show And they're like let's see who the stars The real stars are the show

And they start panning over to all the kids And I look on the screen And my wife's up I'm like no it's not for you It's for the three year olds It's for the four year olds That's adorbs Janice Dickinson

I have like I said Wanted you on the show for seven years. Thank you so much. Please come back on the show when you write your next book. I will. Or when you have your next EP, your next music go live and be number one. You're welcome anytime there's a hundred things I could have asked you. I'd love to have your husband on. Where can everyone find, download your song? Where can they find your books? iTunes. Okay. And you guys, this is on my blog, Skinny Confidential 10 years ago, but you can you can Google the Skinny Confidential, no lifeguard on duty. It's on my book, my book club list. Everything about me is fake and I'm

perfect. And check, please. Thank you. Like you could get one person to follow me. That would be good. Go follow. I think we'll get more than one. At Janice Dickinson on Instagram. You're funny too on TikTok. Thank you. Yeah. Would you like those TikToks where I'm judging people's walks? Yeah, it's funny. It's funny. Don't judge my walk. I don't know about how I walk. You're a loud walker, Lauren. Yeah, I don't know that I have the model walk. You're never going to sneak up on anyone, that's for sure. Maybe do a book on how to walk. A catwalk.

Janice Dickinson, thank you for coming on the show. Thank you very much, you guys. Appreciate it, Michael. Thank you. Janice, you're a legend. Thank you. Thank you very much. Wait, don't go. Have you subscribed to our newsletter? We have a new him and her weekly newsletter.

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