The Bossticks - Jeff Byers On Optimal Routines, Health Practices, Supplements, Hormone Regulation, & Natural Ways To Stay Healthy

Episode Date: September 25, 2023

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Welcome to the skinny confidential, him and her. Aha. We need to give some back to. And we have this platform to go on. We want to be the anti-supplement supplement company. Like, why can't we do advocacy work and be thought leaders in the space? That's our goal, right? Like, if we just want to sling some subs out of the back of our car, like, we're doing a shitty job, right?

Because we make high quality things that have high costs or premium, and it's kind of complicated, right? If we wanted to make a lot of money, we would just sling low quality things, do really good branding and marketing, which that's not who we are. Like, you don't get change if you don't try. Welcome back, everybody. Welcome back to the Skinny Confidential, him and her show. today we're sitting down with my friend Jeff Byers, who is the co-founder and CEO of Momentus. They're absolutely changing the performance game when it comes to health and wellness and supplementation. They have products that world-class performers use on a daily basis to enhance

their lives. In this episode, covers so much when it comes to health and wellness. We talk about what kind of research you should be doing on your supplements before you take them and why it's so important to do the research beforehand. We talk about women in creatine. This has become a huge subject. We talk about women in weightlifting. We talk about libido and men's libido, hormone regulation, talking about testosterone, testosterone replacement therapy. And is there a better solution? We dive right into that here. And everything you need to know about being a high performer. Jeff and the team of Momentus have some of the most stringent certifications when it comes to their products. And they've actually won government grants to fund some of the company's

initiatives. This episode is for anyone who wants to drive better performance, learn more about supplementation and figure out what's going to work best for their body. With that, Jeff, welcome with the skinny confidential, him and her show. This is the skinny confidential, him and her. Welcome to the show. This has been a long time coming. We've been talking for a while now. I have been a big fan of your products, of your company. I'm sure many others have been as well. Lauren doesn't realize this. Every time I give you that sleep cocktail when we're traveling and we can't sleep, it's actually Jeff's. I do know that. I know that. You give me some sleep cocktail, which I'm like, what is in this? I go to sleep. I don't wake up the whole night, which is amazing. I don't even wake up to go to the

bathroom. And then I wake up so fully rested. I'm obsessed with it. I don't know what it is. I thought it was a tranquilizer. Well, you should do it not only when you're traveling. Yeah. We do it all the time. But when we're, you know, like when you're traveling, what I love about it so much is like you get all discombobulated in hotels and you get all about jet lag. Yeah. And I just feel like it, it, boom, it gets in. You need to prioritize in those moments. Yeah. For sure. Okay. We're going to, I'm sure this episode is going to go all over the place as we typically do. But I think to start, would love to get for the audience some context on you and how you even got interested in supplementation, wellness, health in the first place.

Yeah. So I go way back. So I was a Gatorade player of the year in high school. As a football player, I played offensive line. And I was one of the top recruited players going into college. My claim to fame, I fall and fall from the tree was I was up for Nespe, a guy named Dwight Howard won it. He's kind of a big deal compared to me. But I went to USC, Southern Cal. And, you know, being in Austin, I have some love, hate with longhorns because they beat us in the Rose Bowl and national championship game when I was there. I went to SC, really highly touted recruit.

I actually got hurt. My freshman year, I started as a two freshmen on that national championship team, and I blew my hip out. And I was basically told him, I'm going to play football again. And as an athlete and a young kid, right, like many of us, like we dreamt of being a pro at something. Like, absolutely, whether it's an athlete, a museum. magician, an actor, and that got ripped away from me pretty fast. And it became this, does football define me? Does sport define me? How do I want to define myself? And I feel very lucky. You had a really great stable of people around me. And it was like, nobody feels bad for you.

Figure out what you're going to do with your life. And I called the dean of business school after my dad told me that in some more choice words. And I said, hey, I don't know if I'm ever to play again. I'm here. I got five years of school paid for. And at that time, I had like four and a half years left. And he said, hey, I can't guarantee you, I get you in grad school. But if you bust your ass, we can, we can, I can guarantee your application, that application gets looked at. So I ended up getting on track to graduate undergrad in three years.

But I missed my whole second year because I had two hip surgeries. And then I was coming back and I blew my back out and missed my whole third year with two back surgeries. So I missed my second and third season. And really what happened there and how I really got into wellness, like I was a genetic mutant. right, I'm a freak. To be, to be that good, like, you just have to be in a unique, in a unique space. But, well, you know, because I used to play Pop Warner football and then I started playing football.

And what happened was I got to high school and I started playing and I was up against guys like you that, to your point, you were a genetic freaks. And I was like five foot five in high school, you know, maybe 125 pounds wet. And I was like, I'll fuck this. Like, I'm out. At some point, you got to look and be like, okay, God didn't give me this talent. Why were you a genetic mutant? What do you mean by that? You were just like, you could feel that you were like unique because of your stature? Yeah, to get to like to be that good, right? To be that fast, to be that strong, to be that resilient.

Like, it's just like you don't, there's not that many people out there. Like, I'm six, four. I played at 310, my heaviest. Holy sure. And you just like, not a lot of people can move or put on muscle mass. Like, if I like start training hard, like, I just turn into muscle, right? Like, it just, like, there's genetic makeup, like, just like all of us. Right.

What did you, like when you, when you were growing up, were you always a big kid? Did you like, I was always a big kid. But I wasn't like big. I was, yeah, I was always big. Like I was 6'3 my freshman, or my freshman year in high school. Yeah, so that's what I'm saying. And strong. Yeah.

But like, that's just genetic. So Michael came up to your penis. Go ahead. Yeah, exactly. But I remember being in football practice freshman year. My friend Weston out there, you might have seen him with the broken hand. Yeah. Like, I got there and I'm like, dude, we are going, you're practicing with the older guys.

And I'm like, they're just getting truck. by people your size. I'm like, oh, fuck, I'm out. You just, but so anyway, so, like, there's just, like, genetic. And then to stay healthy and to come back from injury and things like that, like, you're just built differently. Like, you have the right, right amount of balance, speed, power, all of these things. So anyways, and to get to the level I did, like, you got to, I call it being a genetic mutant.

It's got, like, you got to be born with it, right? Because you're competing with how many other high school kids to get recruited to somewhere like SC. You still got to work your ass off, right? That doesn't, like, hard work is mandatory, but like you and I can work the same hard. You are never going to be six four and three hundred pounds and run a sub five second 40. It's not possible. And that's okay.

This is where self-awareness is a big part in people's lives. So, anyways, I had this, this devastating injury, and it really made me think what's important. And devastating injuries and like big setback. And as an athlete or, like, as that. anything in life. When you dedicate so much to it, you let it define you a bit. And I had this big, like, hit in the face of like, who am I? Like, what am I here for? Like, that's why I ended up accelerating school and I ended up getting in grad school. I graduated on grad in three and got into martial school business as a, you know, 21 year old, which is a whole other story,

another podcast. But I also, during that time, became really close with the med staff, with the PTs, the strength coaches, all of these experts. Because they were helping you recover. Because they were helping me. And I realized that if I wanted, wanted to continue to do what I loved. I had to get close with the smart people in the room. It wasn't just enough to work hard and be a mutant anymore. It was like, okay, well, I got to really work on my mobility. How do I think about nutrition?

I was thinking about, I was doing sleep in college, as a college kid. It was like, I was starting to track my sleep when I was like 20, right? What year was this? This was 2006 before any of, like, sleep didn't get cool until like a decade ago. Yeah, it was actually not cool. It was actually not cool. exactly but I like diet nutrition right how I trained like and when I trained and like when I went to school and all of these things anyway so I got really nerdy into it and part of it was just I just became

friends with like the top performance doc at USC and then when I went and then when I got in the NFL I started to become I was friends with the dietitian and the strength coaches and the data scientist and it was just like how do you get nuanced and what should I be doing why should I be doing it and just like this constant iteration but realized that for me, I was still incredibly talented, but I wasn't the best of the best. I needed to find how do I do the little things to optimize what's really important. And that really led me into this health, wellness optimization. And when I retired, I walked into this black hole of what is the market, right? What the hell do I take? Why do I take it? Who do I trust it from? I was used to

being around the best minds in the world. And it's like, let, I want to do X better. And they would create a protocol. They would talk about behaviors. And they would tailor it to me. And then also, they would just give me the best products in the world or like, you wouldn't buy them. And so when I walked out and like, I'm like, well, I'm really scared about my brain, right? Like, I still like to perform. And then you just like start Googling shit. And Google and your buddies are like equally dangerous, right? They're black holes. They don't give good advice. It's like, I'm like going into GNC and be like, hey, what protein should I buy? Not going to get the best one, right? And that's what I realized. And then I just started like this never-ending nerd out

of like curiosity in there. And that's pretty much what led to what is momentous now. I mean, about 10 years of like me joining an early stage biotech really kind of getting, right, physiology, hard knocks, how the body works, right? The underlying entity become behind Momentus came out of that biotech, a really interesting science tech that was funded by the Department of Defense. But it really got me into the space thinking about what are the pillars and the cornerstones and working with experts and really understanding, hey, there's a huge gap. And that gap was what I saw. I didn't know where to go, who to use. And I didn't associate with the best brands out there. It was like, I want a partner to help me in my journey. I don't want a pharmaceutical

type brand. And I don't want a bro science brand because that's not like, I'm not, I'm not a meathead anymore. You mentioned though, I know you said it's another podcast, but you did mention something about Marshall Business School. I know it's a super hard school to get into. And it seems like a lot of this is not just only built on your story. It's built on the fact that you have a business mind. I would love to hear, because we have a lot of people who are into the business side, how that has also shaped you being the CEO of this. Yeah. So to start with, I have a co-founder and she is the genius one, right? I will say, like, we have a really unique role. Like, I the visionary, right, big idea, growth, innovator, and like this crazy connector. And she came

from McKinsey and company, which is like the proven ground for badass people in business. And she's what we call the integrator, right? She like runs the day to day, like make sure the engine and the train shows up on time and those things. And I get to go out and do the crazy big things and really think about product formulations and iterations and who are we working with and go to Congress and do these crazy things. But she, she is the true like business. mine. Like, I got my MBA. I love business and I'm, I'm, I have good business acumen, but I'm like, that's not my skill set. I went from the NFL, played for four years and I jumped in an early stage biotech and like learned business hard knocks and then started this company with her.

And we were both at the biotech together and we just kind of like my like, like, I'm a galvanizer. Like I'm super passionate about what we do and I'm a nerd out in it. We gravitated towards what we both we're really good at because we know you can't you can't do both at the same time like you always need somebody like running operating thinking it then you need somebody who's incredibly passionate building how you're getting these big outside winds like outside shots on goal anyways so so it sounds like you have both counterparts which is so important to running a business what are the pillars that you guys are really adhere to because this is a unique supplement brand yeah I would say well so when we started the company, we weren't in the supplement space. So our vision was to be the next

great high performance company. And on whatever the hell that means. And when you define high performance, how do you, when you think, when you guys thought about your ideal customer, like, what does that profile look like? Yeah, it's definitely evolved over time. And now we've definitely evolved and minimized like high performance because it doesn't resonate with everybody. Like when I think about high performance, I'm like, you're right, like longevity. Right. Like how, do I perform in my day? Like, I care about performance and I want to be the best every single day. I want to win every call I'm on. I want to win every meeting. That's performance. But what we found is high performance is it can scare people, right? And our vision is to democratize high performance. What does

that mean? Bring what is being done at the best, the smartest minds. Bring it to the consumer, right? And help make it easy to understand and get people in the right product. So when you and I first connected and Andrew Heberman put us in touch. Thanks, Andrew. And what really resonated with me was we were, we were talking and you shared like, listen, this is the kind of stuff that some of the best performers, whether it's in athletics or invisible, they have access to that maybe most people don't know about or don't have access to themselves. And I think like what hooked me on was like, okay, if this is the best of the best what people are using to perform, whether that's for longevity or in a sport or, you know, for whatever they're doing, I think like that's what got me super interested.

and we're going to get into that. But I think it's to your point, like I am from that same generation where you walked into a GNC and grabbed like a cytogener and a muscle milk. Fruit and pebble is flavored. Yeah, whenever it was. And like you just assume

because it's there that that's the stuff you should be taking. Yeah. And you ask the kid, the 18 year old there, your 18 year self goes into GNC and it's like, what should I take? And they're like, this shit gets you jacked.

And you're like, in, right? And it's like, that was the wrong. move, right? Because that's not really what's important. And, you know, I don't know if 18 year olds are our core demographic, but when I think about us and what we're trying to do and democratizing high performance, it's get people into the right products at the right time for them, right? And that's the best because the quality in our industry is quite scary. And there's a reason why pro and college sport teams can only work with so many brands. It's because the certifications that we have to carry to work with those brands are really hard to get. And they cost a shit ton of

money. What are some things that the audience can look out for and there are supplements that are a huge red flag? There's a lot of things. The challenge is our industry is not regulated. So what's on the label doesn't have to be what's in it. All right? And so. Which we know to a degree, but like give an example. I'll give an example about us. So we sell vitamin D. Vitamin D is really simple. Super simple. We failed a production run of vitamin D because it somehow got cross-contaminated with the banned substance. A banned substance. What's that? Just something that's not allowed. Something that's impermissible within sport. What we do with that production run, it goes into a dumpster because we can't market it based

upon our certifications and our product standards because that supplement, that vitamin D, the most simple is the most simple. Vitamin D is super basic. Why is it so simple just as an it's just vitamin D? But like it came in cross-contamination. Like there's no way vitamin D should do that. But in the manufacturing process, right, it could have been on a truck. It could have been in a warehouse. It could have been on the same production line, but it failed. And what we have to do is we have to dumpster it because of our certifications. Most brands don't certify anything or even test it, right? And there are two certifications that pro and college sports can use. One is called NSF. The other one's called informed sport and informed choice. These two logos on the package.

And basically they don't only test for banned substances. They test for actual what is in the product is supposed to be in it. So ban substance, like there's whatever, 250 banned substances by the Olympic standards and pro sports that you can't take. And if you take, you test positive for drug test and you miss out on seasons. Me as a consumer, don't want to take ban substances unless I'm knowingly taking ban substances to increase whatever I want, right? And then number two is if it says it has 20 grams of protein in it, I want it to have 20 grams

of protein in it, not 16 or 26. And that is not regulated either in our space. What we do is we also have label claim accuracy. So we've actually have things that come out of spec. And what we have to do is we have to apply to get our labels change to meet those specs. So like if we're like in a hydration product, if we had too much sodium. we'd have to change the label to be accurate.

And there are some, there are great brands out there that do that, right, that follow this. But not that many. And just because we say we're, because a brand says they're third party certified, that could mean like you have somebody come in and make sure you don't have rats in your facility, right?

That could be third party certified. But like, these two governing bodies are incredibly important. Because this is what's regulating all college sports of professional sports. And so they have to, and, you know, they have to measure that to make sure that,

to make sure that everything's on an equal playing field. But let's say someone at home does have a huge vitamin cabinet of all different things. Is there anything that they can turn the label over and look for that you have seen in a lot of vitamins that you're like, this is bullshit? Because I feel like you're like the vitamin detective. I don't know if I'm the vitamin detective. I think the challenge is when you think about vitamins and supplements. Like to get 80% of the value, you don't have to do only 20% of the vitamins and supplements matter, right?

And then to get that last 20%, it's so dialed and so sad. specific, but the impact is so low. So what we definitely do as Americans and society is, it's like, oh, let's just take the kitchen sink and then we don't do anything, right? Because, like, I took 20 pills today. That's too many. And then you fall off. Whereas really, there's like five things that matter to all of us. And then we should optimize around one or two other areas, not like take the kitchen sink. So I would say some of the things that were like, shrewculos is the devil. We know that. Right. And that's not going to be in any, your encapsulations, your pills.

But sucralose is really, really bad, right? And we know that there's a ton of things. Huberman talks about all the, like, but it's found a lot in powders, right, gels, drinks, et cetera, right? Fake sugar, fake sweetener. Do you see sucralose on the label? Yeah, you should probably stay away from it, right? And some sucralose is okay, but like be smart on that.

And I'll say the other thing that's really important around supplements is understanding what the effective dose is. And that's something we've worked very, very hard at with our experts is actually what is the effective dose that matters. Omega three is a great is a great example. Omega threes, right? People think fish oils, right? And our brain, so anyways, literal fact, omega threes are really, really important for our brain, right? Our brain is made up of DHA or the most common fat in our brain is DHA, which is one of one of three omega-3s. And, and And we just don't get enough omega-3s in our diet. But the challenge is when you look at omega-3s,

you can go to big box store and buy fish oil, right? But it might only have 100 milligrams of omega-3s. Is it also true that some of that fish oil is like maybe not so quality? It's just fish oil. Like, same, it could be like, it doesn't mean, fish oil does not equal omega-3. Did you see, I don't know if you've seen on Twitter. There was a lot of people.

There was at one point, I actually messaged Andrew about this, because there was like a thread going on about people saying, don't take fish oil because it could be rancid or like a lot of them, but I'm assuming that. 100%. You're 100% right. So the quality of fish oil. I'm eating all your stash, by the way. That's my personal stash that I brought to Austin. But the challenge with fish oil is you need high doses, like an effective dose. So 100 milligrams of DHA and 100 milligrams of EPA is not is not an effective dose, right? And we know we need a lot to make it effective. And Omega 3 has some really cool things around cognitive longevity and the studies around it from cognitive longevity and

cognitive performance is real, like 10,000 clinical studies around this. And this is like, if you had to pick two supplements that every human being should take, omega-3 and creatine, male or female, right? I want to talk about creatine with you in a minute, but you keep going. But not all omega-3s are created equal. Creatine is pretty much created equal across the board. So if you pick up 50 different omega's, I guarantee you where you source it from, right? The amount in it is going to be vastly different. And so what's really important? Really high amount of DHA and EPA, right? Critical, the two critical ones you get, right? We have 1.6 grams total per two capsules, which is really, which is as many as you can get. It's only DHA and EPA. Rather than, 800 milligrams of

each, rather than when you look at a lot of omega-3s, it will be like 100 milligrams of this, and 100 milligrams, 100 milligrams of DHA, 100 milligrams of EPA, and then a gram of fish oil. And fish oil is just, it just might as well be olive oil or might as well be oil, right, for that matter. It's just fat from fish, but it doesn't have those core components of it. So that's really important to understand. And also like, and Omega is a great example because where you source fish from matters, right? Mercury content, heavy metals. Is it sustainable?

There's like a lot of really important things. But people don't think about that. And the quality, so the quality of fish oil, it's very, very different. Now, when you talk about the quality of vitamin D, not that different, right? Vitamin D is essentially a commodity. I'm buying the fuck out of your omega's because I'm thinking about the omega I take right now. And it's like, we have this omega. I haven't tried this one.

I hoard, I hoard this dash. The one I have in my room is a different brand. And I didn't even think about what kind of like what the, is it farmed? Is it wild? That matters, right? It does. I want to know more about creatine. You mentioned it earlier.

Michael wants to know too. Creatine is a little testy of a subject with women. I feel like we don't have enough information. It's something that I just started taking and I'm a fan of. I would love to hear your opinion. And it's interesting because I have taken creatine my entire life. Just always. I think a lot of guys that get into weight lifting, they take it.

And I take like five grams a day or whatever it is. Yeah. And feel great. But when I first introduced her to it, she was so scared. that she was going to like get water weight and bulk up and all the stuff. So I think like you demystifying a lot of the assumptions around. Yeah. Give us a TikTok clip for this.

TikTok clip. Oh my God. I'm like anti, I'm like the most anti TikTok human ever. Start with that. Yeah. Start. Creatine is really misunderstood.

And so creatine is like one of my favorite ones because I didn't know this about creatine too until probably three or four years ago. And so if I go back to what's most important to me is cognitive longevity. I hit my head for a living. I was a pro football player, right? I'm scared of dementia, Alzheimer's, all of these things. And creatine and omegas are the two things that have, right,

very, very well research around cognitive longevity. But creatine is just a basic amino acid. And basically, it helps optimize your cells within your body in your brain, right? How do you consume, right? It helps optimize when those cells that consume a ton of energy. Creatine's impact on cognitive performance. is very well studied now, like very, very well studied and very well-emosed. It just has this terrible stigma.

It's like creatine is like the bro-iest of all bro-sign of all bro things. Well, because I think these guys-remines me of meat in 2018. Meat's PR has changed and creatine's PR is changing too. Well, because I think a lot of these, I mean, of the bro-iest bro, stuff's like these guys would take like 30 grams of creatine a day. You got to load and it's guess what? Guess what else it consumes a ton of energy? Your muscles and your cells and your muscles.

So when you're training super hard and you want to gain weight and get lean, load up on that creatine, shit works, right? Like I was an athlete in the late 90s, early 2000s. Like creatine, I had no idea was good for your brain. But now what's happening in prone college sports, and even in, it's fascinating, even in the most elite military special forces, they use creatine as a neuroprotective and a neural regenerative product. They are prescribing it to their athletes, right, or their special operators. Doesn't it help with sleep as well? It can, I mean, like, it can have all those benefits, but creatine is just such a critical amino acid for our body.

So anyways, creatine is fascinating. It's something that most people are very confused. And creatine costs no money. Essentially, creetine is cheap. And creatine is a pure commodity. Whereas, like, I just talked about how different omegas are. Very, very different, right? Quality matters where it's source from.

Creatine monohydrate is creatine monohydrate, is creatine monohydrate, essentially. Right? You just want to make sure it's just creatine monohydrate. So when people are in market and they're looking at different creatine brands, it's not like the same as Omega where you could have a completely different source, completely different quality. It's pretty much cross the board going to be the same. Very, very similar. And my guess is it's probably coming out of the same place. But what about specifically with creatine and women? Is there any, because we were talking about off air, how there's differences between men and women. Should women take creatine differently than men or no? Small dose of creatine, right? How much? Two and a half to five grams a day. Right. And that's right when you think about cognitive longevity, etc. Anyways, not to go down that rabbit hole. How do you take it?

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What is your energy cocktail for supplements? Like, what is, because I'm going to get into your nighttime cocktail supplements, but what is like your go-to if you want to wake up and you want to have a great day and a great mood and just be like on it? I don't know if I have an energy cocktail. I go back to, again, like, what's most important for me? I go, cognitive longevity, sleep, connective tissue health, right? And then hormone support because hormone trickles up to all those other ones.

And that's what I focus on. Stop. Right. So we have like alpha GPCs a great cognitive performer. I'd very rarely take alpha GPC. It's really good. But I'm just like that's not in my hierarchy of needs. Again, like I take a lot of pills.

Right. I take like four of those omegas a day. Right. I double dose because I know the impact. Like I'm scared shitless of my brain. Right. like that is one of my motivating factors in life is like how do I just because of football and because of football yeah like I I know I did material damage to my like to my gray matter in my brain

like that's that's a known fact I hit my head 70 times a day for 10 years have you ever done a brain scan yeah we're I'm I'm really lucky right I'm really good but that doesn't mean shit right like my like again genetically like lucky or something but like my grandpa had you know a disuring brain disease, right? Like all of, again, I think the next frontier when we think about where optimization goes is brain now. And why do I think that is? Because if you, you might be the unlucky one that gets heart disease or cancer that we can't catch or can't cure, right? We can fix all of our knees, whatever. But this, once this goes, we're nothing. Right? And, right, I know you guys had a Tia on, but like, like health span versus lifespan, right? Like my goal is to not have two

years of my life where I am lost and confused is to live a full life, right? Yeah, or more in some cases. Yeah, be cognitively sharp. Anyway, so that's my hierarchy. So what do I take for energy? Like, I drink a cup of coffee in the morning, realistically. And then, but my stack, so my stack is I'm habitual on creatine omega. If I don't do anything else, Those are the two things I do. If I travel and I forget that shit, I'll go buy stuff at the store, not my stuff. Like it's, but like now it's, now I'm in my head, right? It's like, I care so much about that. Right. Number two thing I, number two thing I always do. I always do our, our sleep stack, right? Not always, pretty religiously. And we can get that. Pretty much, yeah, magnesium,

elthian and apogenin. Okay, and it never has, and I actually wanted to ask this one of the reason. That's what he roofied me with. Yeah, that's what I roofied you do with. You have these little sleep stacks that we travel with and I take them at home too. But you don't get a diminishing return if you take it every night? No. Okay. So it'll be the same. Right. All natural. Exactly. So he's going to do it every single night now. Okay. And can we also

take a magnesium water on top of that? Yeah, 100%. Okay. So go on. We're all magnesium deficient. Go on with your list. I want to hear this list. I'm really dialed into the Tongat Fidoja hormone stack. And I would say in our portfolio of products. That's the one that makes the penis hard

and the sex doesn't stop. If you want to be scientific. If you want some horny goat weed and... That's not horny goat weed. Some natural Viagra. I would say, I love it. But I would say, like, right, it is great for testosterone support. And I would say this is the part of our portfolio that has the most science up and coming.

So Tongat and Fadoja are natural products, right? Plants. And Tongat's really, really interesting in it. It has good clinical research behind. It's still a growing of a base of... evidence, but essentially Tongat is like an upstream and it has cascading events in terms of testosterone production, right? So it helps influence the systems that help produce testosterone in our body. Now Fidoja, on the other hand, like Fidoja is a really new, not well-researched supplement

or molecule, but Fidoja helps with luthinizing, LH, which is a hormone, can't say it on air. I can't say it. I just can't pronounce it. And basically what that does is it. that helps free testosterone. And so both of those things are really natural testosterone ages. And if you take your stack, is this something that you do for a period of time or can you do it consistently every day?

Like, is this like, you know, with creatine, you're gonna take it daily with official it daily. But this is this something you like- You should cycle. Okay. Right? You know, I would say,

go down the rabbit hole if you're a dude or your husband's interested in this with Dr. Huberman and a guy named Kyle Gillette, Dr. Kyle Gillette. On his podcast. On Huberman's podcast, they go into it. And yes, you should cycle on and off Tongat and Fadoja. And it's a little bit of a different one. And some of the recommendations is like Tongat 11 months on, one month off. Right. And Fadoja could be four weeks on, one week off type of thing. So if you're a man and you're listening to this and you want to boost your testosterone, this could be an interesting all natural way to do it. And if you're a woman and you want the man in your life to boost his testosterone. There's some really cool anecdote. Again, Fidoja is super early in its research. I would say in our portfolio,

of products. If there's one product that in the next three years that we don't carry anymore, it would be Fedosha. And that just based upon if the body of literature grows and it shows it doesn't do anything, like it's the only one that has so early data, right? Like it's got a really cool mouse study on it. Right? And more data is going to come out on it. But anyway. You mentioned, you know, obviously you saw that we had a T on the show, but and we talked about TRT and we're about like how sometimes a lot of young guys dive into this stuff way too early without trying other things first. Yeah. It could be real problematic. So I think like, again, if you're thinking about boosting testosterone, this would be maybe a more or a smarter way to approach it

before you think about jumping to TRT. Oh, that's my thing, right? Like, I'm, uh, right? The smart people in my life, like, when they're thinking about TRT, I'm like, I'm not there yet. I'm, there'll be a day I pull that trigger. Someone messaged me about it. I said, I for sure will think about it at some point later in life, but at 35, 36, no. Yeah, and I'm, yeah, I got like two on you, not much, you know, and I'm like, I'm not ready for it. Let's do some natural stuff. And I, and I historically have pretty low T-Sorone. So testosterone and brain injury is actually pretty well connected, which is really fascinating. And we can go, we can go into like, they actually prescribe testosterone to guys in NFL because of, because when you have too many concussions, your T's,

your testosterone levels quite pretty significantly. And you're like out, like, you're so low, you're like dangerous at that point. You know, it's crazy. You just wouldn't think of a bunch of football players are all like hyped up and revved up and muscled out to have low tea, but it's the brain. It's the brain, right? It's the brain is so important. Those are two really interesting ones that are definitely kind of at the, you know, I'll call them like products at the pace of discovery, like new products that are coming out. And we worked with our experts to say, hey, should we have these? Should we not have them? Like, where should we source them, et cetera on that? And testosterone for men and women is very important.

Can a woman take this or is this? That's where like, I'm not smart enough. Like the smart people say, hey, there's a role for Tonga Amphadoja. You'd have to look at your hormone levels. Yeah, hormone levels. And I would get smart on that. But again, right? Like, males hormone cycle.

Like, we're, like, we're just cavemen, right? Like, testosterone peaks, like whatever, whenever, sometime in our early 20s. And then it just slowly dies over time, right? And it's depressing. But I don't feel bad for you guys at all. And then when you feel that we have to go through all. Your testosterone goes down. Yeah, when you think about a females hormone profile of like menopause,

very menopause, like all these things, right? It's insane. Like after I had a baby and he goes, what's wrong with you? I'm like, what's wrong with me? Take it out of this episode.

Take it out. Edit it out. Yeah. But when you think about, right? So if you're naturally, like, right, naturally have a cycle like your hormone,

you have four phases a month. Whereas like, our testosterone doesn't change significantly in the course of three years probably. Yeah. Right? And they were talking about four different periods in a month for a female. Plus, then you have like, right, all of the crazy things that happen, childbirth, breastfeeding. Well, are you on?

Right. I'm lucky to be around really smart women in this, but really small experts in women's performance. And we are, we as a society, are just starting to begin to understand how female hormones and cycles and whether they're, right, whether they're on birth control or not, play into the interaction. on everything, right? Like our bodies, males are super simple, right? Because our hormone profile is pretty consistent. You know what I was telling Lauren though, which has really been interested. She just got into weightlifting in the last two, it's been two years now that she started weightlifting. And I think, you know, you know, the bros have always known about creatine and a lot of this supplementation and weigh protein and different protein. But like, I think this is a new topic for many women. Not to say women

don't know about this, but I know, at least in my wife's case, like I'm introducing to her to a lot of this stuff. And I think more women should know about this kind of stuff because men have been using this for performance for years. And I think a lot of women are sometimes scared of these kind of things thinking it's going to change their profile or their composition. A thousand percent. I mean, aimless plug for Stacey Sims, who's one of the leading female experts in physiology and she is like all women's strength train, right? When you think about bone density and long-term health and wellness. And that doesn't mean get yoked look like a CrossFit athlete. That just means like go in and do something with some load, right? And I don't, that's, yeah, that's not my goal

to get yielded. I, I, I, all I've seen since weightlifting and I do it four to five times a week for the last two years is my body composition has completely shrunk. Like my clothes fit differently. I feel different when I carry myself. My, I feel stronger in my body, but everything feels small. It feels like a trunk wrap me. Yeah. So that's why I'm like always talking about it on the podcast because I think that so many women have heard bad PR for weightlifting. And it's really incredible, I think. Like, you don't have to get yoked. Yeah, that's not the purpose, right? Right. Weight lift. This is just resistance training, right? It's just a way of life. And anyways, it's quite fascinating. And I love to hear you say that because there is this huge stigma around

weightlifting, like, both for men and women. It's like, weightlifting is not like throwing weight around and getting jacked, but you might want to get jacked. Like, I don't mind like getting jacked. And, like, who doesn't like a jacked, right? A fit. Who doesn't like a fit partner? You'll never regret being jacked. I guess is the way I describe it.

You don't need to be the main goal. There's so many different things, too, along with gaining muscle that you get from strength training. I think that I was talking about this on another podcast, but the way my skin is attached to my muscle because I'm such a skin fanatic is different. Like I can see my skin is tighter around the muscle. It looks younger than it did before I started weightlifting. Yeah, it's fascinating.

Even the skin in my face, it looks like glowier and tighter from building muscle. I know that sounds nuts, but skin is like what I do. So that's something that I've noticed. And I look at, you know, one of my really good friends, Kim Kelly, she is huge into weights. And she's, I think she's like 50. but the way that she looks is her skin is just tied around the muscle. I can't explain it. And I think a lot of women don't realize that there's so many other benefits.

The serotonin, or I don't even know if it's dopamine boost that you get, I'll walk in and be having a really bad day and all lift weights. And it like diffuses the bad mood. Yeah. I would like to talk about something that I feel like you're the perfect person to ask. I had a girlfriend that got in a car accident and she had a traumatic brain injury. and she got severe depression. And the problem with it was,

was she looked normal. She looked fine from the outside, but she had this crippling, almost suicidal depression. Yeah. And everyone kind of was dismissed her because they're like, well, you look fine,

like kind of get over it. I don't think people realize the effect that traumatic brain injury has on depression and anxiety. Yes, is the answer. I had a really smart person when I was playing the NFL. One of the reasons why I walked away from the game was basically said, hey,

everything underneath the chin, that's carpentry. We fix that shit with hammers and nails. Everything above the chin we don't even know about. That's like warp speed shit. Right? And so, and this was a decade ago,

but to say like we still don't really understand how the brain works. And what we know and what we've learned in that last decade, right? these great, right, great professional football players and, right, the suicide rate of special operators, all of these people, they're not killing themselves because they're not high achieving human beings. They're doing it because their wires got screwed up from traumatic brain injury, whether it's a car accident, getting blown up in Iraq or taking a big hit, right? It's all the same. And so I think there's so much, there's not a lot of great information out there, and we're still learning so much about what it is. So I have three boys. And my middle boy in this winter

had got in a really bad ski accident and was unconscious, unresponsive on the mountain and had a terrifying, terrifying, terrified, terrified. He's totally fine, but had a traumatic brain injury. And we spent seven days in the hospital with him. And I am incredibly lucky because I have people. people like Dr. Huberman and other incredible minds that are neuroscientists, that focus on this, that are treating the super secret people in the military and how they do deal with TBI. And I just called them and said, what should I be doing? And like we talked about omegas and creatina. Is it okay for a six-year-old?

Why? And I'm sitting here in like the top neurosurgeon or whatever at the hospital or at, he had no idea that there was this research on it. And basically I was like, hey, I'm going to start giving my boy Omega. This was like day two in the hospital, right? And low doses of creatine. And he's like, why would you do this?

There's no data on it. Which is scary and it's up, not to throw shade at the guy, but that's kind of alarming as well. It is alarming, but that's not how they're trained, right? Like, he's trained to cut open a kid's brain. He's a pediatric neurosurgeon, right? He's trained to cut open a brain and, like,

release swelling on a brain, right? But when you think about, like, those two little things, and he went home and he came back the next morning. He's like, I had no idea that there was this much research on here. And it's like, cretino makers do no harm. Right. And it's like those are the types of things like to your friend of like, you just want to understand

what are the really like low cost, do no harm, easy things to do that could potentially help. Right. And it's like, hey, take a cold shower for five minutes a day. If that helped your friend, she should do it. Right. Not saying that that does. right, but there are things that are out there that are super simple, but they're not well known,

and we're still learning about the brain. But the brain, right, you mentioned your friend with traumatic brain injury. That's where I'm scared of, right? Because I didn't have one major event. I had thousands of small events, right? And when we think about how many of our great, right, men and women who serve our country are committing suicide, that's because they're, that's not a, they're a psychological disorder. That's a wiring disorder, right? That's because their wires got pinched, shut off, changed, they have swelling, whatever that may be on the brain. We know that to be true. And so I think where I'm really passionate about going, and one of those things that the things that I want to do the most advocacy around is long-term brain health. I would love to

develop a product with some of the smartest people that just touches that space. Because I think it's the next phase. We talked about this. Like, we're going to, like, our bodies are going to outlive us, right, unless we figure out how to make this go longer. You, we were talking off air and I was, and I don't know if you can even share this, but we were asking where you were coming from. You said, D.C. and that you were doing something or speaking to Congress. Yeah. Is that around this kind of subject? So we've won 10 government innovation contracts now. And Momentus has. Momentus has. And these are around optimization and performance, both physical, cognitive, et cetera. And because of that, we've really garnered a lot of respect within the government.

We're really one of the only companies in the space doing that, and we're doing clinical research and actively trying to develop new innovative products in our space or clinically validating existing ones for different use cases. And so some of what we learned in some of our work with the military is there needs to be a ton of advocacy work. And we need to change some policy. And so we took this approach this year. of, hey, we want to go, because of our relationships with the DOD, we want to go share some of that

with Congress and the Senate. And we got a huge reception. And we got invited to host a briefing on Capitol Hill about four months ago on traumatic brain injury. And we brought in an expert panel to talk about traumatic brain injury, supplementation, and other things that are being done. We brought in the top dietitians from the military to talk about what they're doing, in SOCOM because what happens in special operations is very different than what happens at the 101st Airborne, for example. For example, and then we brought in some of these practitioners from pro and college sports teams that said, hey, this is our protocol. This is our neuroprotective protocol. This is our post-traumatic, post-TBI protocol. This is what we know about light, et cetera.

We brought in one of the experts from the U.S.A. Anyways, so we brought this all in to brief certain members of Congress that were interested around TBI and what can happen and what we should be doing and some of the challenges that are facing. And then this week, we, the other area that I'm, we've become really passionate about, because we just see the huge gap is female performance. And female specific supplementation for that matter. We don't know much about the female body. We just talked about that. Most clinical research is done on, on white men 18 to 22, right? Like, that's a really easy population to study. And really a lot of things around performance are that as well. And so understanding how the female body interacts at different times of their cycle, how they should

trained during their cycle. We're really passionate about building this product around female connective tissue males. So women are three times more likely to have a soft tissue injury in the, in the militarous men, right? And that's basically during one of the phases of the menstruation cycle, the ludial phase, you have the most joint laxity, right? And joint. Joint laxity is super important when you have a baby. But when you're an athlete playing soccer or you're in the gym and you're not trying to rear a child, joint laxity is not necessarily super. important. And part of that, one of the doctors we work with out of UC Davis has a belief that collagen absorption and synthesis is blocked during that period. And collagen is really important

to connective tissue health going down the RAPL. So we're, I believe that TBI and female performance and optimization are kind of the next two big things. But we need policy to change and we need some advocates in there to change how research dollars are invested. Right. We need to change how we think about things, right, and how we think about easy solutions like an omega-3 for TBI. And how are we expecting, right, our military to be an effective force when we're counting on women to be an effective part of the military. Because we can't train women the same way we train men. Women and men can do the same thing, can do the same tasks, but they're going to get there

in a different way, right? That's just like, we can't ask them to train the same. I don't get why that's like such a polarizing conversation. It's not polarizing, but it takes policy change to make it happen. Right. Right. And that's the thing of like it needs to be talked about. And that's, she's saying polarizing.

Like some people will take issue with saying that men and women can't be trained the same way, but you're basically. Yeah. Well, I mean, to quote Dr. Stacey Simmons, women are not small men, right? You don't have a penis. Like to be straight up. But I also think like, thank God I don't have a penis because I have other assets that I can use that you guys don't have. And I will also say, thank God you don't. So I just don't get why the energy of like, it needs this equality thing. Like we're exact equal people. Like we're just not exactly.

Our physiology is not the same. You said we can get there. But it's got to be different ways. We have different superpowers. I am grateful every day that you don't have a penis. Yeah. It really, it's like something I. It might be fun for a night. But no. Jeez. There you go. I don't know for there yet. But you know, I think a lot of this stuff. I mean, first, I think it's awesome what you guys are doing. But also like, best of luck doing like all of it because like I mean I know how hard it is to implement small changes in big organizations and now you're talking about a government entity and advocating for all this stuff especially in a culture where and I imagine like many people are frustrated

this including yourself where it's like you jump to the extreme fix before you get to the root cause of things and I think that is you know that has from an industrious standpoint gotten us very far but I think from a health standpoint. when it's not. But to me, right? Yes, it's hard and it's a big audacious goal, all of these things. But I think we're all called, right? You all have an amazing platform. We're all called to do good when we have great power or great access. And one of the things that, right, I was just around people who gave back a lot growing up and just saw the impact you can have in communities and lives and that little people can make big changes. And we have this incredible access and an incredible

platform. And some of it was like we were just in the right room at the right time early on in this company where we got some government support, right? To like we've received four and half million dollars in federal funding. Right? To do like to help fund and build our company and build products. Like that's wow. Right. But also with that like we need to give some back to and we have this platform to go on like we want to be the anti-supplement supplement supplement company. Like we want to do things. Why can't we do advocacy work and be thought leaders in the space? we should we are that's our goal right like if we just want to sling some subs out of the back of our our car like we're doing a shitty job right because we make high quality things that have high costs

right we're premium and it's kind of complicated right if we wanted to make a lot of money we would just sling low quality things do really good branding and marketing which our business is not great at quite yet but that's not who we are like i i believe myself and my co-founder are believe we're called to be able to make an impact in the world and we can do make money make an impact, do good, inspire change. And you leave D.C. And it was like, all you need is one champion. You just need one congressional office

or one congressional member to say this is important. We did it on TBI. We found a senator that was like, holy shit, why are we not doing this? Right. Creatine costs like 30 cents a day. And he's like, 30 cents a day? And this could help protect people with TBI,

our soldiers, our special operators. Why aren't we doing this? It's like, it's like, like, more ammunition or more gasoline drips out of a fighter jet, right, the cost of then the crete team. So it's like, all you need is one champion to do it to make change, but you don't get change if you don't try. Right. And we walked out yesterday and we had whatever day it was Tuesday. And we had some of the smartest women and men in this space and female performance and optimization. Like we had one of the first ranger, female rangers ever past ranger school, which is like, total badass.

want to be here when I grow up, right? Like she's done the, she's been the first of almost everything she's done. But there are also people in there that were on day one of their journey. Like you have like these people are the top, the tip of the point of spirit. But what I'm proud of, we gave them a platform to communicate with really powerful people that create change. Because excellence is built in silos. Change is built in ecosystems. Right. And excellence will always be built in silos. Right. And you got to break down those silos and build an ecosystem to create change. I think that's something that Dr. Huberman has done, right? He has taken excellence in multiple silos, broken that down and built an ecosystem. Right. And that's what we're trying to do is like if you can break down

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Huberman's done, not to go so far with him, but like he's based, he's taken such a scientific approach and presented it in such a digestible way for anyone that's interested in, you know, health, well-being wellness to understand that it's like it's really hard to refute a lot of what he's saying. It's the same thing with the TIA. Like these guys, like the reason they're becoming such authorities in their space is they've taken things that affect every living human on the planet. And they've made it digestible. And it's not with a spin on it. And it's not with some bias. It's just like this is what the data is showing based on the studies we've found. And I imagine when he sees what, I mean, obviously you guys work together, but what you guys are

doing here, the mission from both parties is very aligned, which is like you're just trying to present the best information with the best sources and best ingredients and the best products possible. Yeah. 100%. You are obviously a very high performance. You are obviously a very high or yourself, what are some things that you do besides supplementation on a day-to-day basis? Like you mentioned cold shower, what are you doing? What are your pillars? That's a really good question. I would say I prioritize my sleep. What does that look like? I will prioritize sleep over exercise and I will prioritize my family over both on that. And so I would say, I'm really active. Like I have a treadmill desk. I love to ruck, right? Put weight on my back

can I just walk in my treadmill desk? Like, it's being on Zoom meetings is the most boring thing ever. And I'm so thankful that this podcast is not over to Zoom. There's no way we would have done it with you. I know. It's terrible. Zoom is the worst thing ever for what it's become.

So I exercise pretty regularly. I always, like I train, when I train, I train pretty hard and I do a bunch of stupid shit because it's fun. What's, like get specific on that. Like when,

just for context, when you, when you say you, when you train, you train really hard. What does that look like? So I have a group that I train with in Park City and they're, ex-Olympians, ex-special forces, ex-people like me.

And we do, and there's this guy, Hobie Darling is his name. He was the former, former CEO of Skull Candy, the headphone company. Oh, yeah, he's out there. Yeah. Didn't they move the whole, wasn't that whole company out there?

Yeah, the whole company. It's headquarter in Park City where we are. He has this crucible event that we do every year. And it's like crazy. Last year, our crucible was, I'll walk you through it and be patient. It was you started with 250 burpees. Oh, my God.

You did a 10-mile paddle, followed by 10-mile Santa paddle board, followed by another 250 burpees, followed by a 20-mile mountain bike ride, followed by 250 burpees, followed by a 20-mile 20-pound ruck, followed by 250 purposes. Like, let me just, nobody finished it. Not one person. No. Somebody might have went to the hospital. Nobody finished it.

Like the purpose is a crucible. It's supposed to be scary, incredibly hard. How far did the first person get? The front group did 14 miles of the ruck. I stopped doing burpees at 620. So, like, I didn't, like, I was in the front group, but I was just like, I'm done with burpees. Also, I'm much larger than every other human being that does this.

Yeah, like, for you to do a bunch of burpees at your size. Burpees or rock or ride the bike. It's just mass, like, equals more force, equals all these things. Anyways, and I'm broken. Burpees hurt. And 600 burpees is a shit ton of burpees. Like, I can't, anyways. I challenge it.

Anyone right now do 50 burpees and see what it's like. It's terrible. Anyways, so that was one, that was a day. We did a crazy swim run, swim run. And Hobie does a lot of programming and it's like, can you puke? Can you not puke? But is this mostly like, are you doing mostly this kind of stuff where it's like these extreme things? Are you doing like consistent weightlifting?

Oh, consistent. Consistent weightlifting. Consistent. In Park City, there's also the Utah ski jump and we run the stairs. It's a huge, a huge, huge mon of stairs. But we just like, and then we go in and we, like Monday I did back squats and RDLs and I went for a little run and all those things. You're always active. Just trying to be active. But like my ideal world is like I train for an hour

and a half every day. And that happens once a month. Right. I normally like get 50 minutes. Like I have 50 minutes to do something. Right. And that's just because I prioritize. I prioritize what makes like I can be active. I can ruck and talk on the phone. I can do all those things. My family makes me happy. If I don't sleep, I'm a disaster. And that's really important. So you ask, I cold plunge. Okay. I have a plunge, love it, like best product on the market on there. And I eat pretty clean. Not super clean, but I eat pretty clean. So, but you know what? When you say you have a plunge, like that's the brand plunge. The plunge, yeah. That's the one that's white. Yeah. Okay. I know exactly what we have that on the blog too, you guys. They're amazing. That's, it looks like sort of like a beautiful bathtub.

It is. I mean, it's like it looks good. You know, that's, You don't have to fill it with ice. Yeah. Like, it's like, it's just ready. Yeah. It's cost effective. Yeah. Sana?

I don't have a sauna. It's on the to-do list. It's on the to-do list. Yeah. You like sauna. I would love a sauna. I would love nothing more than a sauna right now. But you know what's so interesting is like I, you know, we talk to a lot of people on the show and then I'll personally and some people, like, whenever I hear someone say, I don't have the time.

Like, when I met you, it's, I think you were rucking on your treadmill desk walking. And that was in an introductory meeting. But the point is, is you can, people can. people can get creative and find ways to move their body. Just saying you don't have the time just means you don't care about prioritizing it. It's just BS, right? Like, we can all have time to like move the body. And we don't, you don't need to go to zone five. Like, you don't need a red line. I mean, it's good to red line sometimes. But you don't need to. Like, just be active, right? Like, that's what we're called to like, we're built to move. One of my favorite ones is when I post a book on

Instagram stories and someone will respond to me, how do you have the time to read? And I'll literally voice note back and be like, if you're on Instagram consuming my content, you have time to read. So true. Like if you're watching someone and you're like, I don't understand how they have the time to do that. Take the time that you spend watching someone's content and put it towards your own life. Exactly. That'll give you time. 100%. I mean, for me, like, whatever, I'm staying down the street and I'm on the 14th floor. I just take the stairs. Right. And that's like two more minutes than the elevator. But that's an impactful five minutes. Well, I think it's about also being creative with time. Like when you say you're on the treadmill

and you're rucking, you're, have your desk there and you're doing a lot of things at once. I think that there's ways to creatively habit stack things. 100% right. And also just, you know, not, I'm not a big fan of multitasking, but I love a passive multitask. So taking your calls while you walk outside. Like it's just putting those little things together that you can where you can. So the really big thing that sold me on a treadmill desk was it actually allowed me to focus way better. Yeah. So what I realized, when I'm on Zoom, I'm checking email, doing text, all these things.

If I'm sitting in a phone booth right at my desk, when I'm walking, guess what you can't do? You can't kind of listen and type and do all that. Like, it's you in the screen, right? Because you're walking in. And so like it makes me way more present in my conversation. It feels like you're in person. Yeah. Because you have like this physical sense of there.

and you can't like you can't do more than one thing. Just like in person it's like I can't look at you in the eye and give you my full attention while I'm texting or all that's why it's one of the reasons we won't do this show without it in person. We literally like we've had quote unquote big names request to come on the show and the only way they'll agree to come on as if they do at Zoom. A huge name. We'll say no.

And we've had to say no. It's very hard. I know it would make a headline. It would get a buzz and be a big guest. But I just know it's like everyone's going to be distracted. nobody's going to be paying attention. I don't have this interaction. I can't tell if it falls out. I will say, and I'm not, maybe the audience knows. There's one person we did that was a quote unquote big name and it was on Zoom with the fancy setup. And it was the last time we've ever done an interview like that because it was just not the best from anybody. Because again, like I think a lot of human conversation is like it's this. It's the interaction. I need to see you. I need to actually see your facial reaction and understand when to go and not to go. When you take all that out of it, I understand Zoom can be effective for some things. But it is. It's a great tool. It's just COVID made it like 90% tool. I also just I'm more late to Zoom meetings than I am to in person meeting because I people don't know when to get off that thing. Sometimes you got to just hang up, you know, move on. It's a little awkward. It's like, do we, he's like, we got to go, you know. Yeah. And it's not as personal. Like, I don't want to stand up anybody. No. But on Zoom, you're like, that's just a computer. It's like, yeah, whatever. Yeah. Yeah. Where can everyone find you? Pimp yourself out.

Can we do a code? Can we do a giveaway? Yes and yes. Okay. Let's do code skinny. Code skinny. Okay. I am going to suggest, since I just tried it, the omegas to everyone, I think that that's a really great product for my audience specifically to try. But I'm going to let Michael suggest something because he has a sleep cocktail.

Well, because I think you have the sleep packs that are already the pre-portioned proper dosage that you guys have come up with to get the optimal sleep cocktail. Yes. And if I'm flubbing this, let me know. it is basically it's four pills in there right five pills five pills okay and it's the magnesium magnesium three and eight which is really important because not all magnesium is the same magnesium three and eight is the clinically validated form of magnesium to cross a blood brain barrier and apogenin apogenin and that's it that's it so it's like it's probably is it two pills it's three mags

one and one yeah and so if you take that you're going to sleep like a baby this to me is way better than what's the product that everyone was taking? It's gotten a bad name over the days. Calm? No, no, no, no. There was a thing that a lot of people thought that you'd take, but it would like wait. Oh, melatonin. Yeah, melatonin, which I think people should know.

No, melatonin's not good. I do not like melatonin. I don't know how you feel about it. Yeah, melatonin, melatonin, if used correctly, can be beneficial. So we have a product called Elite Sleep, and it has a very small dose of melatonin. It was designed with pro and college sports teams. And it was designed when you cross multiple time zones, right? That's how they use it.

Or when you need to prioritize sleep, because melatonin is a hormone, right? Very important to realize that. And messing with your own melatonin, you become dependent upon it. So that's why you got to be careful with this. That's why you have to be careful. But when you need to change your circadian rhythm and your body clock, it can be beneficial. But like, I don't like, like, it is unless you need to prioritize sleep that night and it's like, oh, I got a game tomorrow. I got something huge that I need to make sure I sleep.

Melatonin is okay. not habitual. Even though the data says it's non-habit forming at a slow dose. No, that's why I had to stop because I noticed that I was at one point when I was doing and we were traveling a lot. I was like, I kind of was like taking it all the time. But with the sleep cocktail, you can take it all the time. Yeah, it's just three natural, right?

Elthenein comes from tea. Apogenin comes from chamomile or grapefruit. And then magnesium therineate is just magnesium. It's just the most bioavailable form of magnesium for your brain. And then for the last thing, I know this is two things, but I think for the men out there or the women that are interested in this for their men, the Tongot and the Fadoja that you make, I think is best on the market. And if you're interested in boosting testosterone or experimenting, before you jump to something like a TRT or whatever, I think.

100%. We're the only brand that actually has third-party certifications of those two products, too, which is super important. I love what you're doing. I think you're awesome. Thank you so much for coming on. I'm so glad Andrew connected that you guys. We'll do it again. Yeah. I hope that you give me a sleep cocktail every single night. I'll expect it on my bedside. All right. Love it. Thank you.