The Bossticks - Jenny McCarthy Unfiltered On Reinvention, Clean Living, Autism Awareness, & Motherhood

Episode Date: October 13, 2025

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Welcome back to The Him and Her show. Today we're sitting down with the one, the only the iconic Jenny McCarthy, She's a comedian, an actress to host a mother, a New York Times bestselling author, an autism advocate. She is the founder of Formless Beauty, which is EWG verified. Is that correct? Working on it. Okay.

And Jenny's career spanned decades and genres from Playboys' 1994 Playmate of the year to MTV singled out to her sketch comedy, the Jenny McCartney show, her sitcom, Jenny Blockbuster Films like Scary Movie 3, Dirty Love. She's co-hosted The View. I mean, you've done a lot. She's funny, fearless, authentic. Jenny, welcome to the show. Thank you.

I appreciate it. I love you guys. You got a big bio. Every time I've seen your guys' show, I'm like, why aren't I on this show? We speak the same language. We've been calling for years. And here I am, Mike.

When you said you knew what the Christmas tree was in the Uber out there, I was just like, this. We were meant to be best friends. I think you said you use branch basics. Oh, yeah. There's a million things. Yeah. Okay.

I want to go way back. Yeah. You kind of are like the OG. You're sort of like you were the original podcaster before podcasting, in my opinion. You kind of set the stage for shows like The Bachelor Love Island. Like you did it before everyone did it. Where did that start? It started with just, I was working at a Polish grocery store in Chicago.

And I was like, I need to get to L.A. I need to try to make it, you know? So it started with how to paying off $20,000 in debt of college tuition that I was like, I basically dropped out of college because I was broke. So I wound up posing for Playboy to get the $20,000 to move to L.A. Got to L.A. And I was like, okay, now I've tried to make a career for myself. People don't usually go that route because there's no career after Playboy.

So I tried my hardest and they're like, no one wants a playmate. No one's, it literally, I couldn't even knock on a door without people going, oh, playboy, no way. So I crashed an audition at MTV. And that was singled out. So there was a line around. There was literally they had a cattle call, which is basically anyone can show up to audition. So it was like 400 girls outside and I got in line. And I auditioned and made it down through like 15 callbacks and finally got it. So that's how it came about. It was me going like, okay, I need a job. MTV is a place. I can. show my personality. I show that I'm not just a pinup. There's more behind the bleach. And that's how I got my start. Speaking of the pinups, me and my friends had all those posters on the wall back in the day. Back in the day. Might be why we're married, Lauren. Might be, might be, might, because you just have blonde hair. I did. I did. Yeah, I feel like it was like the blonde hair, the big boots. And we'd come home from school. I must have been like 10. And you'd watch MTV. That's what you'd do. You'd take the bus home and then you'd watch MTV for the younger people listening. It was

it was everything back then. But I think what made you so. And you'd be like, it's what made you so. And I think what made you so different is that you're so beautiful, but you're also so warm, disarming, approachable, unapologetic, like they're in big personality. And I feel like at that time, girls weren't allowed to show their personality. It's true. And I remember, that's what I think, why I got the job is because they were like, huh, this girl is okay being self-deprecating. And I wanted to be human and show like, girls can fart and pick their nose just like the guy. eyes. I think it was disarming. It was almost like shocking also for the guys, too. When you're thrown into that, were you just going with the flow? Were you comfortable? Very. Always comfortable?

Yeah. So it was like natural. Totally. What do you think that comes from? I have no idea. I have no idea where it came from. What about your confidence? The confidence, you know what? I almost, if I look at my path, my confidence comes also with a little bit of desperation and desperation of like growing up poor, not having much money, and determined to like make a life, a better life for myself. Because I grew up in a neighborhood with like gangs and stuff like that, south side Chicago. So I was really determined. So I had to like get past and almost like fake it to you make it. I was determined so much out of with desperation that I faked it until I made it.

But when I got to MTV, I just felt a freedom because working for Playboy for a year, it was so much about the exterior where I was like, okay, I can have fun showing off the interior now. So I think that led me on a path of even becoming more and more confident. Do you think a lot of Playmates after they saw what you did sort of wanted to emulate that formula? I think so. I mean, I have no idea. I kind of like went forward and didn't look back. You know, I just kind of said, you know, it was also a time where the Playboy mansions were having, you know, parties and people. There was, I was watching a lot of the girls go in different directions. And I was so hyper focused on staying like off of the tabloids. Like if you think about it, my tabloids back in my big heyday when I was like the most popular person for six months, it was more like a whole year of People magazine would have me on every single week.

and I just hid. That's why I dated like a 50-year-old guy in my 20s, because all he wanted to do was stay home and watch Wheel of Fortune. Why did you hide? Because I didn't want to be seduced into going to parties. I didn't want to be seduced into doing drugs. I just wanted to, I was so focused to stay on a career path. And I knew that there was a lot, I mean, in Hollywood,

there's a lot of demons just kind of going like, come this way. Yeah. And I just knew I had to stay focused, driven, and stay grounded. And by staying in a relationship that a guy that just wanted to stay home all the time, watched Wheel of Fortune, allowed me to be grounded for all those years. How do you think you knew how to do that? Do you have anyone coaching you or anyone in your life that was helping you?

Or just like it was an intuition? I think it was an intuition. I did have my fun in college. You know, I had my two years of like tripping my balls off on acid, finding the door. Like literally, I mean, there was a time in college when I was like so broke. I was like selling shakeweed. And I was like a shaman for people on their acid trips.

I would take them out on the weekends. By the time I left college, I was like, oh, I don't need to do that anymore. I literally got it all out of my system. Fortunately, in my college, S.I.U. Southern Illinois University, it was all about hallucinogenics and like mushrooms and acid. It wasn't the cocaine and the stuff that people get, you know, really dicted to. So I had fun. It made my mind expand, I will say.

then by the time I got to Hollywood, I was so focused. Is it hard to have fame and have a dating life? What is that like? Yeah, yeah. I mean, I was a serial monogamous, though. So like that first guy-boyfriend was five years. Then the next one, I got married. So I was married to him for seven years.

And I literally went from one to the next. Then I went into another relationship for five years. And it wasn't until that one. And I turned 40. And I was like, let me do some casual dating. Let me learn how to just casually date. My therapist was like, you're going to go on 10 dates and you're not going to see them again. Because I would be able to go on one date and be like, let's get married.

You know what I mean? Let's just stay. You know, let's just. I think when I put my mind to something, I will give it everything I've got until I realize it's not working or broken. But I am determined little bunny to make things work. I wouldn't have any clue how to date. Either would you. No, I feel like I'm more like you. I'm like, if it's, if you find someone, it's, it's, it's, and you like them, it's like, no, it's little new stood with it. Yeah,

but not anymore. I feel like everyone's like swipe, left, right. Totally. My friends are going on 600 dates. It would be hard to date right now. Yeah. It would be hard to date right now. And plus, people feel much more open to tell on you or tell secrets or talk about you. And I feel like, I didn't want that either. How was it growing up? around all the celebrity. You just, it seems to me like you just kept your blinders on and ignored all of it and went to work.

Is that correct? And I totally be honest about something. I, there's been celebrities that want to be friends with me throughout my career in the past several years, and I don't want to be friends. Talk about that. Talk about that.

I have a weird thing. I don't know what it is, but I just have, I'm like, I wish I could give you the definition or explanation as to why, but they all kind of, freak me out in a way. They just kind of do, and I don't know why. I think I enjoy deep, real conversations where you can get to that next level. And with celebrities, it's kind of hard

because you have to be, you have a lot of armor up. And I just, I don't know, I have my best friends from college that I'm still friends with. Like that is my crew. They keep me grounded. And I wish, maybe I have to have a therapist explain me. No, I think it makes a ton of sense. I think doing this show, you meet a lot of people of that caliber. And it's like, it's, without diminishing it, it's not the same as getting into a relationship with someone who doesn't have a platform like that. Like, to your point, there's a little bit of a layer or a guard up or like a fluff that you kind of need to get through before you can get deeper. Yep. But it's almost like, I think for, for me personally, it's like, I don't know if I can put in all of that effort to get through all that stuff when I can

just meet someone that doesn't come with any of that stuff. True. And you know what else you guys? And it's celebrities, if you think about it, they're trained only answer about them, talk about themselves. They actually don't know how to be curious about someone else because they're so trained to just respond about themselves. Well, it's why when you do, they'll come on like, okay, I'm not going to name a name, but if, like, what exactly to your point, what you're saying, like, I'll interview someone for two hours. And then afterwards, they're like, they're like, like, do you want to go to dinner? And it's not because they want to go to dinner with me. It's because I just asked them about themselves for two hours and they want to keep it going.

Correct. It's true. I would absolutely see that. It's hard, too. I totally get what you're saying. Like, there's no curiosity. Not with all of them, but just like there's no curiosity beyond what they're trained to do. I told Donnie, it's like we've got these three Cs. It's cuddling, communication, and curiosity. Because we both been famous since we were 19. He was famous of 15. So we were trained to only answer questions. about ourselves. So I said in the beginning of relationship, you know what? I've been trained through the Oprah School University to do a talk show. Like I learned how to ask questions. So I'm going to train you to also kind of get curious. And he is so good at it now. Like he, because it's true.

Celebrities do not know how to sometimes go back and forth because we're so used to answering questions about ourselves. Like, look at, I can't really get into your life too much. When you come on my podcast, I will do the same for you. But I'm trained right now. to just tell you stories about myself. But when you're dating someone, you have to train them to kind of... It's the ping pong of it. In this format, too,

like most celebrities don't have not done this format. They're doing it now, but most of the formats is like just a ton of questions at you and very quick, you know, interactions. And so you're just used to answering answers. That's it. I understand. I understand it.

Wait, what is the Oprah school of interviewing and how do you train a man to get curious? There's like a takeaway. way here. Well, first of all, a man has to want to. I'll start with that with Donnie. Donnie is the most incredible man, human being husband that walks the face of the earth. I know you probably are too. You better take notes, learned. He is one of a kind, and his compassion and generosity and love. So it was easy to try to go like, we'd play this game called questions. We invented a game called questions. So we'll go on a date and be like, time for questions. And we just ask anything we want. And we go

back and forth. Okay, it's your turn. And you can ask any question, something that's bugging you. Like, you know what? Remember when I actually put the dishes in the dishwasher and you kind of answered me in a sharp kind of way? So it's any kind of question. So that has been a wonderful little game on date night to do. It's also been like, you know, tell me about your worst breakup or anything just to get curious. Now, the overschool was back in the day, I was approached by her to do my own talk show through Harpo. Oh, my God. And I was like, of course. And this is when she was. kind of leaving, but she didn't, she didn't even invent own yet. So I was signed for like a couple years to go through training, much like Oz went through training and they have you do these

workshops and learn, which is very interesting. And I loved it. Why we didn't continue is kind of in that 12th hour she wanted, she invented own the network in the last kind of minute. And I said in my contract, it was syndication. I didn't want to go to a cable start off a show. I've just been training for two years to do a syndicated talk show. And she was like, no, but now I want you to own. I was like, I don't, I don't want to. How'd that go over? It didn't go over very well. No. That's a, that's a hard person to say no to. It was a very hard. Yeah, there was some, there was some back and forth a little bit, but we've made up and we're friends and I love Oprah. And then I just kind of walked away from that deal after a few years.

How do you know when to walk away of something that's not serving you? Is it just intuitive? I love your questions, by the way. Yeah, it's very intuitive. It's almost like I'm getting the flu. If I get physical reactions of just like, literally my body is like, you know, if you tell your friends, you'll go somewhere and then you just regret it and you know that date's coming up and you're just like, oh my God, and you have that feeling come over.

Every time you think of it, it's dread. Literally you start to have those instincts. And people would say to me, you kidding? You can't turn down as Oprah Winfrey. And I was like, no, they wound up giving it to Rosie O'Donnell on Own. Remember, she launched Own with her talk show. So I just was happy that I didn't because I wasn't ready for that. It was kind of an older network.

It was aiming to be a little bit older. And I was still only 30. 133. It was 33. Yeah, I think that's a good decision for you. Yeah. What was the decision that you pivoted to after that? NBC had signed me to do a possible talk show. And it was between me and Steve Harvey that year. So I did do a pilot.

It rated incredibly well. They could only pick one. So they picked Steve Harvey. Even though the president was like, it was so hard, but they had to, for some reason, they just said, Steve. And you know what? It worked out well for him. It worked out well for that network.

So then I was like, you know, I think I'm just going to get my own late night talk show. So I found a like a hip for me, executive producer that did Andy Cohen's show. And we wound up doing one and be each one. While I was doing this talk show, the view approached me and said, hey, can we all have you over here? We're looking for a new person. And what was the view experience like? It'd be a little different than it is now.

A little different now. You know, the short story. of it is they got rid of Elizabeth and Joy because they said it became too polarizing. They thought it was too polarizing back then. So they said, we want to bring someone on that is a pop culture kind of expert, someone that brings the fluff and fun. Okay. And I was like, well, that's me. I'm fluffy and fun. And that's what I like to do. So I joined and within one week, they switched direction pretty quickly because Barbara, they learned, had absolutely no idea. at this point in her life, who I was talking about in pop culture. She is so trained to do political,

but they wanted to bring in the pop culture. But as soon as I started bringing up, like I'll bring up Katie Perry in that first week and she'd say, who? And I'm like, you interviewed her last week. Like, so she was starting to show little signs of dementia. I know people don't want to talk about it, but it's true. She was, you know, starting to show signs of that. So so much so, I was telling a story about myself, how someone approached me in the airport and said, hey, I had a Jenny McCarthy poster on the wall growing up. Was it me? And she said, who's Jenny McCarthy? While I was sitting there. That's rough. So it was sad. It was sad. And I helped her out by going, you are so funny, Barbara. Sometimes I asked myself that, who is Jenny McCarthy? But so they had, they came to me and like,

we have to switch back to politics. And I was like, say what? So that year, talk about. me having the flu. You guys, if I would have stayed on that show any longer, I would have had cancer, tumors, you name it. What year was this exactly, or like a round? I'm going to say 2013. Because people don't realize that everyone's so busy talking about what you're consuming and what you're eating and what you're all these different things. What you consume mentally, you're so right. You can get things from your mental consumption, right? So what happened? What did you So I toughed it out. They would come in my dressing room before the show and try to cram opinions.

And, like, you know, I'm just like, oh, my God, it was really, really tough. And plus, they want you to fight. And listen, I can fight for things I believe in. Like, you guys probably know what I bought for the past 20 years against the CDC. That's where my- We're going to talk about it. That's where my fight is. You know, that's where you see Mama Bear come out.

But when it comes out to, like, all these other things, it was. really hard on me to fight because I'm just not. I have a person that will find the piece really quickly because I don't need to be right. People have such a righteousness and to be right. And if you watch the view, they train you backstage to kind of like get ready. Get ready. It's like gladiators. You're going to gather and fight. And I'd be like, so me and Sherry Shepherd would like squeeze each other's knees underneath the table and holding on for dear life. So when they let Basically, I think it was 15 to 20 people go that day

It was like the Red Wedding at the view that day They made it appear like we wanted to leave on our own accord And they have you say that But it wasn't true Isn't that crazy? They're like if you want to get paid the last two weeks You have to go out there and say you wanted to leave And all these things

It sounds like a very like old way of doing things And you are someone to me who's so much on the pulse. Like, I feel like you don't even need a network. That's why I think you should have your own podcast. I feel like that. I feel like I want to. You should let your let it fly how you want to let it fly. You don't need all these people pulling strings and control. Like, I feel like you can just go do your own thing and you already have the audience. It's time. Yeah. Yeah. And I think unfortunately, like the time we live in now is people want everybody to care about everything that's going on at all times. Right. Right. And it's like we say this all. Like we're not a political show. We'll touch on

topics that I guess are taboo or that are popular in the moment. But we have a really hard time whenever something's going on in the world today. People are like, what's your opinion? Dive in right now. It's like if you don't have that passion to or the desire to be that thought leader or expert, I just feel like sometimes it's better for people that do public facing things. So sometimes stay quiet and unless you really care. It's true. It's true. And some people are built for it. You know, like the Megan Kelly's of the world, they're built for that. And it's like, you go, girl. You do your thing. It's like, I like, you know, spirituality. I like self-help. I like wellness. And I like pop culture and fun stuff and conspiracy. Like, that's my, that's my lane that I love.

So on the wellness front, am I allowed to take Tylenol or not? Yeah, but we're going to ask you. Because again, somehow this has become political. This has become political. You or people in general. No, no. I think, well, the way I understand it and I watch your piece and we had Paul Saladino on yesterday. And I think like we're a wellness focus show. So I think people that are in that community, have known for a long time that if you take excessinontotylylin, you could deplete your glutifion levels, which could be problematic. People didn't know this. You know, the interesting thing, you guys, a behind the scene look of how I feel about

my post, too, that went kind of viral. So many people were asking me about it, obviously, because I've got a son on the spectrum. I was like, okay, let me just do a post. And it's interesting because the trolls that came out were like all saying the same thing, which is, you're not a doctor. Shut up. Well, of course I'm not a doctor. I even put in my thing on the post, talk to your doctor, okay?

But I found it interesting because usually the trolls will disagree with the message. They weren't to say, that's a step up. They're calling me not a doctor, shut up, but not saying that's not true. So I was like, well, there's improvement in the world. So they must be understanding there's some truth to it. And if not, it's like, go look at the Harvard studies, go look at the studies. And what happened for me, and I wrote about this in my autism book 15 years ago, I wrote, even longer than that, I wrote that glutathione, Tylenol depletes glutathione.

What is glutathion? It's your body's natural antioxidants. It's like, it's like the greatest thing in the world that you should have in your body at great levels. It helps keep cancer away. It helps detox your body. It's good stuff. Now, I didn't use Tylenol. And neither did, I didn't use Tylenol. I was pregnant and I didn't use it on my son before and after shots. but I have an MTHR gene mutation, so does my son, and I have low glutathione, and so does my son. Is everyone within a low MTHR gene have low glutathione? It's one of the things stated with it, like people with MTHR gene mutation, because we have a methylation issue. We can't detox properly, and what is your secret sauce for that is glutathione? So what happens is when you can't detox toxins out of a body, like let's say mercury or aluminum,

it's going to float and it's going to attach to organs. Where's attached brain inflammation, gut. So you can see a correlation to how it can get to autism. Does Tylenol cause autism? No. Can Tylenol, you know, be somewhat of a thing or trigger for it? Possibly. It can help create an environment where it's more possible.

What do you do when you have MTFHR? MTFR. You basically, you have to clean up your environment so much because your body can't detox. You become chemically sensitive to everything. Have you been tested for it? I have not. I actually literally justed the test two days ago, the swat.

The intellect. You might have it because you're sensitive. We've had Gary Breck on the show multiple times to talk about this. What do you do? What do you personally do? So basically you get methylated B vitamins. So it's really kind of an easier solution. Well, you also have to clean up your environment.

Okay. So the B vitamins will help, but you have to clean. up your environment. And I would test your glutathion levels. So I get an IV weekly. So every week, I go in and get me and my son get glutathion infusions. And has it helped? Yeah. Because it's hard to absorb it. How old were you when you knew that you had this? Was this something you've known your whole life? I did not know this my whole life. It wasn't until my son was diagnosed and I tried to save his life. So when I started to do, you know, look into his panels and learn so much, I fixed him, was fixing him. His immune system and everything is glowing. And then at age 40 is when I started to fall apart. Paramenopause is when if you don't fix yourself in the beginning of paramedopause, you are going to suffer when menopause and postmenopause happens. So your thing is prevention before you even get there.

Yes. If you can find out if you have an MTHFR gene mutation. By the way, like 50% of the country has it and doesn't know it. 50 to 60, they say. Gary Sunsendos says, some says, 60% of the country. But it's so important along with if, you know, getting like I said in paramedopause, we have naturally inflammation happens. All of these things, our immune system starts to dysregulate, it's lower, all these things. If you don't fix them, you will start to fall apart and your teeth will start falling out of your body. Whoa. Why do the teeth come out? Because you just lose bone structure or what? Yeah, you start to, you know, you start to lose bone and it's gum receding. You start to much, like do earmust for a second, but your vagina dries out as you get older as you go through paramedopause and menopause. Jeez, what a joy. I just had a baby and now you're telling me my

vagina dries out. It's like, so then your saliva also dries out causing your gums to recede and causing more. That's why women, they're noticing more like root canal infections or teeth falling out. I'm sure you're going to see on this post below. You guys want to comment, oh my God, I'm having some major dental issues. It's not talked about enough. That's why I wrote a book about it comes out next year, but you start to have major issues with your mouth. It's so fucked. It's so fucked. The stuff, the, the, the, the thing we have to go through.

Like all, it's true. I mean, at least the guys get saggy balls and shit like that. So you guys get. As long as those don't fall off. Because that would be. What was the moment that you got interested in all things health? Was there something that set it off? Yeah, when I, like the beginning of paramedopause, I started to feel like shit.

I was like, I had hypothyroidism. I had leaky gut, candida. I mean, I can keep going. There's so many more that I can't even name right now. But I started getting all these diagnoses and I started to feel like shit. And I'm like, this is not good. Considering I've learned so much about healing my son, I got to put the oxygen mass on myself now. So it was just a matter of feeling terrible, getting more diagnosis,

wondering why I've had 60 food allergies now. It happens a lot too. The autoimmune scale goes like that as soon as you start paramedopause. I put the rotas. I can't even say it right now. Hashimoto's, all that. Scale goes up. This episode is brought to you by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at BetterHelp.com slash skinny and get on your way to being your best self. For years now, Lauren and I have been interviewing high performers in all sorts of fields, all sorts of walks of life, And one common theme that many of these high performers have is that they've utilized therapy to enhance their lives. What we love about BetterHelp is BetterHelp has helped over 5 million people worldwide on their mental health journeys. That's millions of stories, millions of journeys, and behind everyone as a therapist who showed up, listened, and helped someone take a step forward.

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stopped drinking, alcohol, cleaned up my food, organic. It got to the point where I can only have like five things. I did carnivore only for a little while. Did you like it or no? I loved it. It helped me so much, but I also had, I had booed a belly. I would eat and I'd bloat like this. So I'd seebo, candida or not on carnivore. Not on carnivore. Okay. Once I did carnivore, oh my God, my stomach was flat. I lost weight. I felt like a million bucks, but you can't stay in carnivore forever. You only go on it for like six or seven months. But don't you think. think that's a really good reset for people just wanting to reset to do that for maybe like even like two weeks. I'm telling you, for everybody, I believe that everyone should try it. But you really

don't get the benefits until you go a full month. Okay. So a month. If you could just do it for a month. If you can do it for a month. So what are you eating on carnivore for six months? A grass fed, grass finished beef. So I get it delivered, you know, from a farm. And then I will have an avocado. So I'm a carnivore that has an avocado with my, because paramedopause and menopause, you need fiber. You need tons of fiber. So I would have an avocado with my steak. For three all meals. I would only have it for lunch and dinner. So I would have like a ground beef. I would have an ancestry beef. So it would be like kidney liver. Oh, I was. Incestual blend? Yeah. Ancestrian blend. Love it. Love it. Okay. Some people go like, I have that for lunch. And then for dinner,

I'd have a ribby with all the fat on there. And would you be hungry? And I also, I lost 10 pounds in a month, 12 pounds to a month. And is Donna? And is Donna? over there just getting inspired or is he like you're crazy? No, he's, he's, he's so good. He'll follow me to hell and back if I went there. He's into it. He's into it, yes, but he's also also a natural kind of carnivore in a way. He doesn't really eat carbs ever. Is he like really into working out and all the different things? Yeah, so he's a Wahlberg. Yeah, whatever the Walbergs are put in the cereal over there. The Walberg's put in the work. Naturally, naturally. Yeah. One time I swear I saw like Mark Wahlberg's routine on Instagram and it was like,

It's going, it went viral. 3 a.m. wake up. Oh, yeah. Is that really true? It's true. It's a real story. Yeah. Does Donnie wake up really?

No, no, no. Okay, 3 a.m. wake up is intense. That's, yeah, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, I mean, it's, I can't do it. I mean, I can't do it. He wakes me up at 7 or 8 a.m. to do it. Well, today, we got up at 4th, or I did, because we came here to do this. I can believe that you guys. But, I mean, the kids are in school now.

Why are you complaining? Mark wakes up like this morning with her. I was like, I don't know if we're going to, you know, before you got here. I said, swig some coffee. You need, you need something here. I did. I swine. Can you drink coffee on carnivore? I'm allergic to coffee. So I can't answer that question. Can you drink tea? I do. Tea. So you don't drink alcohol or coffee. No. I'm high on life. I know. I know. I don't. And it's weird because I feel great. I feel great. And you look great too. Thank you. I mean, I don't know you're eating. Like a health question. I was telling some of my, my younger friends that don't have children. And I said, you know, I never really cared. I care about health, but I didn't get laser focused on it until we had children. Because then when people start wanting to do things to the children, it's not the same as yourself. You're like, am I making the right decision? Is the wrong decision?

And I was telling them, I was like, you don't know fear until you start fearing for your children. That's exactly right, you guys. And I wonder, I think there's a lot of misconceptions about you and your perspective. But I tell people, is it until you, because. become a parent and you're caring for another, like you really just don't understand making some of those decisions. It's true. And, you know, I got to be honest is like having a child on the spectrum, our biggest fear is we can't die because who's going to take care of our kid? And my son's

doing well, but he's still, he might live with me forever. So it's like, you're terrified and I'm like, I got to, I got to snap out of this. And so at age 40 is like when I started feeling like shit. And I was like, No, no, no, no, no. I need to live till I'm 120. Like, I need to be here for him. So it's another thing that really drives me and motivates me. Like every, I'm a, I'm a testaholic. So I'm constantly testing myself and making sure that my lab work is good. And I'm doing more poop samples than probably anyone. I got to try that. It feels overwhelming. It's, I love it. So you just shit in a bag? I don't love the shitting in the bag part and taking the poop samples, but I love seeing the results come back

because you can see if you have a leaky gut or if you've got issues, the dysbiosis, you can see what gut flora is good, what's bad. If you have any infections that are roaming around there like I did, you know,

it's really good to know. Like, you have to at least do it to see. Okay, I'm going to do it. And I'm going to make you send it off. No, no. I feel like there's some things that husband and wife can separate.

Like that's like, that's a solo activity, I feel like for us. I did Donis. You were so honest about your pregnancy. told you I've read like most of your books. You got me through my first pregnancy because I was I was like what the fuck is going on and no one was honest about any of it. You talked about hemorrhoids. You talked about pooping on the table. She talked about pooping on the table. He doesn't know

anything about that. He's like when you have the baby. Oh, okay. You're pushing. No one tells you about that. And I was like, my mom said, well, I hope you don't poop on the table dear. And I was like, say what? I don't think I pooped on the table. Everybody does. Oh, really? Yes, they just don't tell you. My mom goes, don't worry, they whisk it away quickly. I'm like, what? So I was so paranoid with my doctor.

He was like, if you're that paranoid, doing enema before you come to the hospital. I'm like, I ain't shoving nothing, nowhere. So I was just like, I'm just not going to poop on the table. So then afterwards, I was like, I didn't poop on the table. My mom goes, it doesn't feel like it. No, because look what is happening down there. It's an apocalyptic. Well, you would assume if you're pushing down there that aggressive.

Exactly. If you're pushing that hard. What made you decide to come out and be so honest about pregnancy? And I mean, I bet that book was so well received when it came out. You know, I wrote the book because everybody lied. Like, people didn't tell the true story. So I sat there with Evan like this and I don't know how to type. So I was like, plus I'm dyslexic.

So I was like, thing, bang, think, think, think, think, think, think. So I wrote this. I've never wrote anything. I don't even write emails well, but I knew how to write truth and it's kind of funny. So I printed it and then I sent it to my agent and they were like, okay, we'll send it out to see if anyone wants to buy it. Everyone rejected it. Every, everyone in New York, everybody. She found this small Boston publisher that was like, I think this is really fun and funny and it's new and refreshing.

And you're telling the truth. And it debuted at like number nine and the New York Times was sellerless and it stayed there for months and months and months. Why did they reject it? What was their reasoning? I have no idea. I mean, I probably wrote a little sophomoric. I wasn't like a Shakespearean writer. That's what you, you just want someone to tell you the truth.

I was a girlfriend telling you the business. Each chapter is like a different thing that you get. I remember when you were reading that, actually. Like night sweats. I read it twice. I read it with Zaza and Towns because I was like, I need someone to relate to all this shit. And how the men sit there with a piece of hay in their tooth

and they're like complaining about a cold that they have. Like, it's, it's like there was a chapter called pig in the pasture. and that's about having sex in the ninth month. Because you're like doggy style, you feel like a pig in the pasture, you know, just like, that's, that ninth month does get a little squirly.

It does. I love how you're like trying to like relate to people being pregnant. First time around, I was really terrified. I was like, I don't know about this. It's like, you know,

never been through it. Right. Second time around, I like, okay. Third time around, let's get going. Right. Exactly.

But, you know, it still has to take away of us feeling like a pig in the pasture. I mean, to empathize, like, there's not a lot. She's like, what position? You're not going to like be going on top and going crazy. It's doggy style. That's about it, really. And then, you know, my son, I was hoping was going to be 80 pounds, but he was only six. I was two, 11 when I checked into the hospital. So I gained a lot of weight. That made me feel better. When you talked about that, that was the one where I was like, oh, because you are so beautiful. And to hear that was like,

it was like a sigh of relief because everyone lies. I loved my brownies. I loved my, I love my quick milk, even though I was alerted to all of it and didn't know it. So when you had the baby, were you as shocked as when you actually had the baby to when you were pregnant at what it entailed? Oh, yeah. I was completely gobsmacked, looking back going, oh, my God. Plus I had eight ribs that popped out. So I couldn't sleep laying down for the last month. All I do was just cry around the house.

It was, and I was so constipated, like bad. Do you remember the chapter I went to the poop doctor? I remember all of it. You'll have to buy the book, Belly Laughs, because I won't get into it here. But I had every, God gave me every symptom so I could write a book about it. That's how he felt, because everything, premature labor, like, you name it. I went through it all, all of it. And that's why Paramenopause.

I was like, I might as well write a book about menopause and paramedopause just like belly laughs because I've had all the symptoms. I think that's why you're so famous, though. It's like you tell the truth. and people, it's refreshing because so many people are lying. I mean, you see it with plastic surgery, you see anything, everyone's like looking to lie.

It's so much easier to just tell the truth. For me, like, you know, there's a different about like reading any kind of memoir where people leave that kind of stuff out or the truth. It's like, nobody wants to read a fluff piece. No, it's true. It's not interesting. It's not. And you can tell, too, as the reader.

Right. You know, like, where's the real stuff that happened? Right. At what point as a mother did you? notice that Evan was autistic. Was it something that you knew intuitively? Was it something that someone diagnosed him with? What was that like for you? You know, it's kind of like a slow buildup. The only reason I knew rather quickly was he wanted of having a seizure after a shot. Not long after. In hindsight, you can go back and look that after happy, he was jaundice in the hospital.

He was really, really yellow. As time went on, he had like eczema, really, really bad. And He had double ear infections. Like these are all things now looking back in the autism community. A lot of parents say there are like warning signs that your body, and I hate to even, you know, it's like it's immune dysregulation. You're starting to have immune dysregulation. By the time he got to his MMR, I asked the doctor if we can skip it because I had such a gut reaction. Talk about a flu reaction.

I saw a thing at the store day before the appointment. I was the Time Magazine issue that said, parents are saying that their child is becoming autistic after the MMR. So I went in and I was like, I felt like a gut punch when I read that doctor. I'm like, I feel like he can't do this. Can we not do this? And he said, don't be one of those quack mothers.

Don't be ridiculous. And to add some commentary on this, when you become a new parent and we experience this, you don't know and you're scared. And you're just, and you're listening to who you think is the expert and who has, you know, all the answers. And they're, to be honest,

there's pressure, especially as a new parent. And you're sitting there. And again, like, your fear, my big thing about this issue, which I try to explain to people is it is one of the scariest things to try to figure out as a parent. And it is also taboo to talk about. So you can't say, I'm scared to talk about this. And I want to ask every question that I, like, anything that pops out, I want to get all the answers. I want to talk to eight people. You're told no and you're a quack. And then you're labeled in a bad way. And I think that does a lot of disservice, not and to the parent, but to the space in general, because people don't know what to say and you just feel this immense fear and sometimes even shame. Yeah, that's what I was going to say. You feel shame,

immediate shame. I still battled with him in that room. And my husband, my ex-husband, he was there and he said, why don't you just leave? Why don't you just step out of the room if you can't handle this? And I was like, because he agreed to it. Now, looking back, my ex-husband, my ex-husband, my ex-husband is like, God, I'm so sorry. You were so right. You're so right. And I'm sorry. I'm like, I don't blame him, he was also listening to the doctor. He was shaming us. He was legit shaming us. So it wasn't far after that that Evan started having seizures. Those seizures led to seizures that would put him into cardiac arrest. So he died in front of me once. Yeah. He was gone. Which again, I can't even, like, I can't even imagine that fear because this never happened. But I just know, like, if my daughter

even scrapes her, if she gets, like, if she gets stitches or something, like it, the fear in your, you can't describe that. No, my post-traumatic stress was. very real for 20 years. Like even Donnie, when I married Donnie, he's like, you need to get some help because Evan would sneeze or cough. And I'd be like, I was so paranoid because I watched my kid eyes dialate and go blue while they were trying to resuscitate him, you know? And so then the next seizure, I had to put him in a phenobarbital coma, which basically

makes you brain dead on the machine. Oh, my God. So he wouldn't go into cardiac arrest. So it's like, I've been through it. I've been really, really through it, which, you know, really brought me closer to God, I will say. I prayed so hard and begged him. I'm like, please give me my boy back. Please. And if you can help teach me what's wrong with him, help me heal him, I will promise I'll teach the world how to do it. If this is my purpose,

if the only reason I'm famous is to help spread some word, then please allow my son to come back to life and show me the way. And so, you know, he was then later diagnosed with autism. soon after that, then I made it my vision. And I was like, okay. And then I started diving in research of like, I got to fix him. Was it a relief when he was diagnosed because you felt no. No. No. I was hoping it was just epilepsy when they first said it was he's got epilepsy now. Like does epilepsy run in the family? I'm like, no, epilepsy doesn't run in the family. I was devastated because you guys back then there wasn't a lot of information. It was, this was the doctor said to me. There's plenty of institutions for him that he'll be an institution later on in life.

That's what I got. Sorry your son is autism. He's going to be an institution. No. And I'm sure that clip that's been seen a million times of you guys on the Larry King show, like that was like, people don't realize at that time when you were having that conversation, like people were not, like it was not like it is now where people are starting to ask questions. Like it was like, whoa. And I imagine that was really challenging to speak publicly about at the time because people were not willing to hear it. And I imagine it was really difficult on your career and your family. Very.

And now people are talking about it more. But, you know, my big message to everybody is like, parents have the right to be concerned and fearful and ask questions. And I don't think it's fair for the medical community or for other people, especially people who don't have children, to question parents when all they're trying to do is find the answers that's going to best serve their kids and their family. Right. Like, even if the answer, even if you just go down a lot of. long rabbit hole of, they should have every question answered. You know, and not be shamed for it. And that's all I kind of tell parents. It's like, I just want you to be able to advocate for yourself, stick up for your child, you know, follow your gut instincts and do your own research.

Today, 20 years later since Evan's been diagnosed, there is so much more research now that you guys can go in and, you know, advocate for yourself. And, you know, just hearing those words that I've heard for so long and we heard it during the COVID with the word safe and effective. It's safe and effective, safe and effective, safe and effective, safe and effective. It's like, is anything on this planet safe and effective? Like, I learned in biology back in grammar school that, you know, when you get a conclusion, you're supposed to retest it and retest it and you're constantly supposed to retesting things in science. So they call it science. Exactly. So nothing is settled. I mean, I remember when they said that smoking was safe. If pregnant women can smoke,

do you remember that science back in the day? Things evolve. People learn things. People learn things. It's like, so I beg people just to kind of open your mind a little bit for the sake of your child and for new science and for what other people are advocating about. If you could go back and do it over, would you do nothing with the vaccines? Knowing what I know now for myself, I probably would not. Now, if I wanted a lighter perspective, I would get rid of some. Like, I would be like, okay, do I need the hepatitis B on the first day of life? No, I can wait till least 12. I wanted to separate the MMR.

I asked to separate the MMR. For those that don't are listening or are confused, like, you have kids, they, you know, when we were, like, I think, like, sub-1989, you would have, like, what, like 10 or 12 or a few? Back in the day, we had seven vaccines. Yeah, and now when you go, and this is a lot of parents' experience, they do multiple in the same visit. Correct. So that's what you're talking about. We're up to 72 now.

Yep. And so MMR, there's three shots in one. And now they included chickenpox in there. So I asked for it to be separated. And they're like, we don't do that. They don't separate them. I don't even know if they separate them now. I know that they just made an announcement that you should ask for them separated.

I'm not sure that they do. And I'm not telling people not to vaccinate. I'm telling people, if you want to, at least do the research, at least look into it. And check your own genetic vulnerabilities, MTHFR gene mutation. If you have a, you know, MTHRG mutation, the moms usually pass it down. So I would look into if your kid, do you have low glutas ion?

Does your child have low gluteinion? Because it's harder to detox if you have that. Correct. So when you get the shot, it makes it harder to detox the shot. Correct. Because when you go to the doctor, they say, if you're worried about the metals, they'll say, don't worry, your body excreets it.

And that is true. Your body excretes it. You poop it out, pee it out, whatever, sweat it out, whatever. It comes out. except if your methylation, your detox pathways are broken or low. And that is the case for, obviously, a lot of people. Yeah, the problem with, I think, a lot of medical advice in general, not just on this issue,

is that there's blanket advice for everyone, and we saw this perfectly during COVID. Like, personally, for me, myself, I was never concerned about COVID because I'm an in-shaped young male that's athletic and has a good respiratory system. for my 82-year-old dad, my dad, you were a little overweight at the time, you're better now, I was a little more concerned for him, right? So I just think, like, applying blanket advice that him and I should be treated in the same way, it just didn't register in my brain. I was like, well, I'm not going to believe that line of thought, right? Right.

And listen, we got a lot of shit for that. But I think there's time for medical intervention, but it has to be case by case based on the patient and also based on their genetics and tests that are readily available. It should be individualized. It should be individualized. Out of all the research that you've done, because it sounds like you've done a lot, what has been the most shocking thing that you've discovered? I would almost need to even come back to you with that question because it's quite shocking. I just think, you know, the sad part is just how heavy metals float into the body and then get stuck into the gut and the brain.

To me, it was a lie when the doctor said you excrete it. So that was like what? That could happen. It could float around your body. And then also not knowing about the Tylenol thing. That's why I wrote about it 15 years ago. You know, I wrote about it in my book because so many parents. Now, the thing is, I went on the road, and people don't know this.

I went on the road for seven years, and I brought camera crews with me. So I've got all this footage I don't do with it. But I wanted to document all these moms. I spoke to one-on-one, 500,000 women moms and who all kind of had the same exact story as me. But also I heard a lot of my doctor told me to give Tylenol to my baby before after the shots, it doesn't hurt as much or whatever. or there's, you know. So that's why I wrote about it in one of my books to get the word out there. So I'm kind of glad it's out there now. So what there, so, okay, this is interesting. I just heard about it in the pregnant women. So what,

what it sounds like is they're giving the Tylenol, which depletes the glutathione, giving the shot. And if you don't, if you have MTFHR, that I say it, it can't detox. And then the Tylenol situation makes it worse. It could, it could absolutely, but you don't even need to have the MTH-HFRG mutation. the Tylenol does what an MTH-FAR gene mutation naturally does, which lowers glutathione. The problem, again, then we can move off it. I think with medical advice in general is, like, in the instance of that, they're doing it for pain management, but they're not then following down the path of, like,

what is the effect of managing the pain in that way? Like, what is managing the pain? Correct. They're not telling you what you can do. Because a lot of people don't, great. What almost do you want to have a fever? Yeah. You know?

Like, meaning, like, if you give that advice, like, yes, they will have less pain, but what does it do to the body while you're doing that? We have this doctor that's so incredible that is like give Arnica and give, she has like camomile and all these little pellets that you like put in water before you even get to that. Like she, I think that that's important too. It's like we don't need to just hop right to like there's other things that you can do. When you decided to go on Larry King, did you know that that interview was going to be what it was? Did you have a strategy there or were you like, you know what?

fuck it. I'm going to go on and just do what I want. You know, the first interview was Oprah. Oprah had me on. And we went live because she knew that we were in jeopardy of having that episode be pulled. Because it wasn't live. Yeah. The cat was out of the bag after Oprah. Then, you know, like I promised God, I would keep going on my mission of sharing my information. So I was ready for Larry King. I didn't know Larry was going to have me on. There was an episode that you probably just saw the one with Jim.

But there's one where he puts me on against doctors and the CDC. representative and I battle these guys like me. MTV singled out Jenny has to battle the head of the CDC or an executive from the CDC and a MD like going at it and it was hard. That's what I was battling. Like I had no one to lean on all these years. It was literally me. I had so many celebrities call me you guys and go like, keep going. I can't say anything, but keep going. I agree with you. I agree. Hundreds of them. And do you get that a lot now with what happened? with COVID, a lot of people off air telling you what they really think. Yeah, so many. So many. And then people call me for their own vaccine injury stories of like what to do, what to do. Yeah, I mean,

my big thing like doing this show is like what I tell people that like I'm like, listen, if you're going to say things privately like this, like just say it publicly because if it could help somebody or just make somebody more aware. And like I really, you know, we were talking to again yesterday on the show and I really don't look at health care as a political issue. I look at as a human issue that everybody should care about. That's exactly right. learn how to live happier, healthy, longer, and they should have the best information available to them to take care of their family and the people they care about. And people that are being bold and brave, the people that do come out and speak, they need help. They need an army behind them.

So it's like, just offer that support, even if it's a comment on social media, you know, because the trolls are happily happy, you know, to come out and attack. But those people that are the silent, you know, supporters can't be silent anymore. Today, day and age, You need to be bold and brave and support people that are speaking truth. Were you prepared for the pushback that you got? And has that, like, did you know that you were going to get all that? Or did you not really give? Initially, I didn't think I was going to get anything because it was just my story.

It was just Evan. Right. It was just my story. But when you are up against a government agency, you have a government agency coming back to attack you. I had government agencies hire public PR companies to come attack me. So it's like, there's little old me living in the valley trying to fight, you know, the FDA and the CDC. It was like, it was really difficult, you know, I lost jobs. It was rough. Were you like, you know what, so be it? Or was it something that was hard when you're losing jobs.

Did you know that was going to happen? I didn't expect it. But when it happened, I was like, okay, well, I'm, they don't know who they're also they're dealing with. Like, you can't get rid of me. You know what I mean? Like, I get right back up. up and I keep going. So it's like, I'm still here. It's 35 years I've been in this business. And I just, I won't be stopped. You know, I feel like, and again, I said, I was drawn much closer to God through all this, but when you have God on your side, you know, I feel like I do have an army, a spiritual army behind me. I bet your son's proud of you. You know, yeah, he is, but he also didn't know what was happening until he turned 13 and Googled himself. He googled Evan, you know, he's like, why am I all over the internet? He called me from work. He goes, we need to have a conversation

when you get home. And I was like, I didn't really thought about that because I made him a poster child without his consent. So I had to sit down with him and have a conversation. And then I fortunately saved a trunk full of all of these letters from parents saying how much Evan story helped them. And so I had him read them all and he was like almost in tears going, all right, let's do this together. Oh, that's so cool. Yeah, he's a little Buddha. And is Donnie supportive of everything that you're doing? I don't think Donnie'd be around. He sounds like a good husband. He is, you guys, I'm not kidding. Yeah, he sounds good. He's the greatest human being. I can cry even like thinking about him and it's been 11 years. I swear I'm getting on a cherry-eyed. Start getting the waterworks going on. I truly

love him so much and he's got my back and I've got his and like every day we talk on the phone like 17 times a day and just express how grateful we are to each other like I truly love him so much. So cute. You better talk about me like that when I'm not around. When you're not around I really good. I feel like you need to get teary eyed and discuss me. He does call me 17 times a day but I don't pick up. Listen you guys you also work together and that's also a little more difficult. Yeah, it's a little difficult. Are you guys in Chicago? He works in Canada and Boston. And then I work in L.A. And we both live in Illinois. So figure that one. Okay. So you guys are like a little like you get a little absence, which is sexy. It's sexy.

Yeah. Yeah. It's like reconnecting. It is. Removed yourself from like some of the entertainment bubbles. I think it's nice. We moved to Austin. We live out there. I got the hell out of here. I'm like, I am not living in this cesspool of Hollywood. I can't raise my son here. I was going to say it nicer. Yeah. It is. It's a cesspool. So I got out. I think it could be challenging to raise families. But people do it, right? Well, when you have a kid on the spectrum, you need a community. Yeah. And there's no kids riding their bike down the street or playing in the fire hydrant

and catching lightning bucks. You know, that's what they do in the Midwest. So I grew, I got a house next door to my college girlfriends and we raised our sons together. That's so cool. So, so great. And it's such a different experience for your son. Yeah. I felt like that when we moved to Austin.

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We all probably similar ages. We grew up in a time. I remember you would run around outside and you'd come home when you'd hear like your mom or dad screaming and you basically grew up outside. You can't do that in LA. You just can't do that. You can't do it. I would be crazy not to ask you about all the different things you do to live non-toxic. Okay. So let it rip. Go off on all your supplies. What are the brands? Like what a sub like give us all the secrets. Okay. Well branch obviously for the house. I forgot the name of the dishwashing soap. Is it Molly Suds? It's no, it's these, they're like little blue ovals that are chalky. Dr. Pampa promotes it. So. If Dr. Pompah promotes it, it's legit. I love it. Of course, I have air purifiers everywhere of a hospital grade air system in my house.

I opened the windows every day for a little bit to get clean air. When I wanted to do it my own self for my body, I looked into makeup because I love beauty. I love beauty beatdowns. I want, I don't like the natural look. I'm sorry. Pamela Anderson does it so well. I like makeup, okay? I look like Jimmy Carter without it.

So I need makeup. So I looked into trying to find the cleanest brand for me. I got some clean brands. And then I was putting it out. I'm like, they don't work. Like, they just don't work. So I'm like, you know what? I think I'm going to make a clean brand because what I also find out is when they say they're clean,

they're really actually not clean. They're getting away with those check marks that are not true. So who do I trust? Because I don't even guard the one. What don't I know about clean and not clean? So I went to the environmental working group, EWG.org. I'm sure your audience is familiar with it.

It's so good. So I went to them and said, I want to create a beauty brand, makeup, skincare that I know is under the right, strict guidelines, the most restricted guidelines. I want EWG verified. So they were like so proud.

They were like, we'll help you. I had no idea they were going to hand me a booklet of over 900 pages of unacceptable ingredients. Like here's a million things you cannot do. It was like a phone book from the 80s or 70s. You know what I mean? It was this big. Like you can't include these.

And I was like, shit, this is going to be difficult. Has it been difficult? So difficult. But our products are so good. We are half sold out on our website right now, but I highly beg you to try it. Our mascara is an MVP. We're one of the very few that doesn't have hormone disruptors in it.

No parabins, no phthalates, no formaldehyde. We don't use aluminum powder, which they use dark in mascara. And it's in a glass tube. A lot of our skincare, everything is in glass except for our lip gloss, which we're going to be moving eventually. But we also third-party test. So for instance, we use aloe in a lot of aloe in a lot of aloe has gloss fade in it. So what do we do? We test it for gloss fade.

So EWG keeps us honest. We're still working on getting a lot of the products officially get that stamp. We've made it through round three. And it takes three to four years to do, if you can believe it. That's how long. It's because you take it and you make it, you test it, you go back and forth and back and forth and back and forth. I love it so much because it's not only clean, but it also works. You actually see the benefit, which is why we are sold out. We sell out quickly and often. You know what? I'm begging you to make. Eye lash glue. Girl, you have no freaking idea how hard I'm on that. I got a Shazillion on my eye because it's the only thing we don't.

really kind of make yet. You know what a Shazillion is? No, what's a Shazillion? That sounds like an alligator from like Nigeria. Okay, someone would say it's a cyst. So it looks like a cyst, but then it grows into like a toe with like pus and infection. What? Oh yeah. So we use this, you know, I used eyelash glue that was made in China, even though everything here in my company is made in the United States, like I said, it's clean as fuck. But the eyelash glue, I got a Shazillion from it. And then I had surgery to remove it. It came back. And it came back. And it came back. every month for the last five months. So what'd you do?

I kept getting surgery for the last five months. Did they put you under? No, like I'm awake. From the glue. Don't get a Shazelle. From the glue. It's my first month without it growing back. There is a brand the doctor.

I'm on it. Okay, it's called true. Yep. But can we, I want your brand to do eyelash glue because there is so much formaldehyde in it. Correct. Everyone needs to know that. But I'm so excited to use your mascara. You said you.

It's by the way, one. thing I can brag about my mascara because I'm so proud of it, you guys. I have letters, handwritten letters from women that are like, you have no idea. I haven't been able to wear mascara in 10 years because my eyes burn, no burning. Now, our cleanser also, you're going to notice it melts your makeup away and your eye makeup without burning your eyes. Oh, that's nice. Oh my God, I'm cleansing my face and my eye makeup is my eyes, you know how your eyes burn when your eye makeup off? Yes. This takes off your eye makeup and your face. And you're going to be like, oh my God, our scrub, hyluronic acid, it's botanical.

So that means there's no bacteria in it. This is going to, not that it already hasn't, but blow up. This is so needed because you're right, there's so many brands that are greenwashed, clean. It's a joke. And this sounds incredible. And what I like about this specifically is that you are a glam girl, so you know the makeup's not going to be like Little House on the Prairie. That's right. I need to work.

I need to work. Sarah, plain Jane and Tall. I need to work. And an exciting announcement. Sprouts is going to be carrying it. as of December 3rd. Congratulations. That's cool.

Thank you. So if they were to start with one product, Sprout's doing a lot to move in that in the direction. We like sprouts. Sprouts. What is the one product that you would recommend that they get? That's like asking which baby you love the most because my mascara I'm really proud of. But also, like, when you use the scrub, you're going to be like, my skin has never been

so soft in my life immediately. Our moisturizer, you're going to like, this is the best moisturizer. It's for guys too. I'll use it. And then our lip liners came out and they're so creamy and they stay on. Oh, I can't wait to try all this. Our lip glosses are hydrating, moistrising, aloe, chamomile,

shea butter, that's what's in it. And I'm so sick of putting lip gloss on and being like, am I eating this? What's in it? That's exactly why I'm eating too. You're eating your lip gloss. So all of our ingredients are good. My daughter wants to wear makeup.

I'm like on Amazon, like Googling non-toxic makeup and there's still like all this toxic stuff. She's got a few more years. No, she's trying to, Michael, she puts on lip gloss. We have little girls that send in the mom sent in the photos of them using the lip gloss. hard to find clean makeup. It is. This is so exciting. I work so hard because you guys,

I need it. Yeah. And I know there's people like me that are so chemically sensitive. I also don't want cancer. The amount of bullshit that, sorry, does it use that word? No, please. The bullshit that's in the stuff, it scared me so much that I was like, I want to be able to on my deathbed when I'm 120 going, I ate clean products and I wasn't out just for the money. And then you want to be embalmed with them. Right. Because people constantly. me like my like I have a partner that helped me a little bit in the beginning that said like can we just use some other I was like hell no because our margins aren't great our our margins would be so much bigger if I used cancer causing cream yeah but then you're just doing what everyone else is doing this is

fresh I think it's you're selling your soul too what are things people need to look for in their own products that you're like immediate throwout well formaldehyde carbons valates just so everyone knows I believe if I'm not mistaken it's too embomb bodies. Correct. Okay. With you had, if you dissected a frog in biology, you smelled what formaldehyde smells like. Okay. It's gross. All of these, those are cancer caused. Those are carcingenics. So you want to stay away from those things. And it's in most products. You would, mascara is the second biggest offender when it comes into makeup. Besides foundation, we're working on foundation. Foundation's number one. Mascar is number two. So that's why I'm

proud of that mascara because I had people in big makeup going, she's never going to be able to make. it. She's never going to be able to make mascara that's clean. And we did it. I feel like that's such an undertone for your career, though. The publisher situation of people saying you're never going to be able to do that. You've like defied the odds with it. I think I get off when people tell me I can't do something. And I'm like, you know what? Think of how far humanity has come. We're freaking flying airplanes. We made AI. You don't think I can make a mascara that's clean. Watch. Watch me. I'm here for it. Well, and you can tell that you're passionate about it and that people can trust you on it. I can ask you this.

I can cut this out if you want, but do you want to do a code for the audience, like 10% off or anything? Yes, I would love to do that. So Jenny 10, you can get 10% off. Jenny 10 on formless beauty. Rapid fire questions, ready? Yeah.

One thing people would be surprised to know about you. That I am deeply spiritual. I am, I don't want to say religious, but I'm Christian. I'm a follower of Christ and God. Is there like a spiritual person that you look to? Like, do you have, is it like Joe Dispenza or like, is there someone that you go to? Not Joe Dispenza.

I do like Aaron Abke. He's like a, he's a spiritual teacher. Okay. But he has a podcast called The Jesus Way that I love so much. Okay, I got to check that out. But I think people will be surprised about that because I don't really talk about it too much, but I'm starting to talk about it more because I feel like with the world the way it's at and so many demons in Hollywood.

Someone needs to represent the light. So I'm walking with the power of Christ. I think it's great. What's your favorite guilty pleasure? I love alien podcasts. Oh. Alien podcast. That's not what I thought you were going to say.

I know. It's not a margarita anymore. Maybe that's the podcast we should do. The Jenny McCarthy alien podcast. Then you get a little sick of it. You can't. I'm like a buffet. I need a little bit of everything or get a little more.

You do like once a month you have the area. That's right. What is your go-to meal to look the way you do? Is it still a steak? It's still a rib-eye. It's still a fatty ribby with an avocado. I swear by it. And what's the supplement that you go to?

What's your main ones? I have essential multivitamin that's chelated minerals. So that means it pulls the metals out of your minerals. It's very important. Do we have a brand for that? I need to know what the brand is. I'll text you. Okay, you got to tell me the rant.

And then I'll put it in the comments for you guys. Then it's also a methylated B vitamin. I go to Thorn. Okay. And then I also use Thorn's super EPA, like the fish oils. Then I do a lot of probiotics, you name it. I'm on five different ones. I do echinacea.

I do lymph drops. Your IV. My IVs once a week. And I mean, the LUTISine is also amazing. for the skin. Like in Korea, people get glutothionavies just to have a great complexion in their skin. So it does wonders for your skin. If you, you know, care more about your outside than your inside, still get the glue thigh on because it does great for your face. Also, I forgot to tell you this. You and I both did air sculpt with Dr. Aaron Rawlings. I love airscalts. Yes. We both did it.

That worked, you guys, for my paramedopause belly, I could not get rid of no matter how much I starved myself back in the day. It was just living there. And then I got it sucked out. Yeah, I did my like love handles with him and my arms and it was great. Right. I loved it. Yeah, it was a 10. I was awake. I was awake. I was awake. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's, I feel like you're like 12 cocktails deep. I was high. Yeah, you're high. I was singing Pink Floyd while he was doing it. I was singing Dark Side of the Moon. I like him personally a lot. I liked him too. Yeah, he's a good one. Okay, where can everyone find you, shop your products, follow you next. What's in the works? Formalist beauty is the name of the company. And then also, you know, my social media, Jenny McCarthy, and Mass Singer will be

coming out. And then hopefully a podcast will be coming out. And I have a book next September. And I just want to say, thank you for all the people that are starting to come out and support and send messages because I can use the support. It really, really helps, you know, people like me that aren't afraid to be bold and brave, but it does help to have support behind you. So thank you guys. I think you'll get a lot from this audience. I want you to come back when your book is coming out and talk about pari menopause. I would love nothing more. Yeah. What to do for the prep. By the time when you were hit menopause, you're going to be like, you're going to say,

I didn't even feel it. You're going to say, I don't even feel menopause. I really hope you're right because I think it's bullshit that we have to get pregnant and do all this shit, have postpartum, breastfeed, and then you get paramedanopause. Exactly. It's like insane. Yeah. And have a period. And you guys sit around with your saggy assholes. Take it up with the Lord above. Jenny, thank you for coming on the show. You guys are are awesome and I appreciate your show. Thanks for what you guys are doing. Oh, thank you for coming on. Open invite anytime.