The Bossticks - Jillian Michaels & Justin Anderson - A Roundtable Discussion on High Performance & Building A Meaningful Career

Episode Date: March 12, 2019

#175: On this episode we are going roundtable style with two of our favorite people and guests. Jillian Michaels and Justin Anderson join us today and as always, they both over deliver. On this episode we discuss how to find success in a crowded world, what it takes to stand out, how to live life on your terms, how to stop yourself from burning out, and how to scale your brand. To connect with Jillian Michaels click HERE To connect with Justin Anderson click HERE To connect with Lauryn Evarts click HERE To connect with Michael Bosstick click HERE Read More on The Skinny Confidential HERE For Detailed Show Notes visit TSCPODCAST.COM To Call the Him & Her Hotline call: 1-833-SKINNYS (754-6697) This episode is brought to you by ROTHY'S. Rothy's shoes are stylish, sustainable, and comfortable enough for every day wear, anywhere. Rothy's will blow your mind that they're made from recycled plastic water bottles, because they're the softest shoe you'll put on your feet. You can feel good about wearing them.To try ROTHY's go to ROTHYS.COM and enter PROMO code "SKINNY" at checkout This episode is brought to you by BETABRAND and their Betabrand dress pant yoga pants. To try these pants go to betabrand.com/skinny and receive 20% off your order. Millions of women agree these are the most comfortable pants you'll ever wear to work.  Produced by Dear Media

The following podcast is a dear media production. She's a lifestyle blogger extraordinaire. Fantastic. And he's a serial entrepreneur. A very smart cookie. And now Lauren Everts and Michael Bostic are bringing you along for the ride. Get ready for some major realness. Welcome to the skinny confidential, him and her.

If you want a nine to five job, it's like, cool, you know, work at a certain type of place. They don't realize that you have to put in so much more work. When I was a first and assistant, I used to assist my colorist that I worked for, you know, all day long, doing all of her business, whatever. And then I would stay at the salon until one in the morning, like, hustling my own stuff. You know, it's like, and that's how I got to be where I'm at. And I feel like social media really messes up a lot of people and really makeup artists and hairdressers because they see these people who have these big followers. They do all these celebrities. And they're like, I want to go into it to do the celebrities.

And they want to bypass, like, all the stuff. Yeah, they want to jump right to it. It's Tuesday. We're live. We're here and we have a round table podcast for you guys with two of our favorites, Jillian Michaels and Justin Anderson. It doesn't get better than this, does it, Michael? It does not. Do you know what I found out? I realized I was looking back, I was like, how many times has Gillian been on the show? This is our third time. I don't know if there's been any other guests on this show that's been on more times. And obviously this is Justin's second time.

And if it's not so obvious to listeners to go back and listen to other episodes that they were on, Jillian first made of appearance on episode 95, then Justin came on on episode 136, and then Jillian came back on 138. And now again, on this one, which I think is like 175. We're getting up there alone. We are getting up there, aging ourselves. We're getting up there. We are so excited because before we get into this episode, D.P. Hugh has offered to do a $500 giveaway. Guys, this is like purple shampoo, apple cider vinegar rinse, even dry shampoo. I'm telling you, You can't go wrong. Their dry shampoo is the best.

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into this episode because it's so fucking funny and so fucking good that we got to go. And if you have kids in the car, probably not the one to listen to you. Hold on. If you have kids in the car, out any of our shows. You're going to listen. Maybe you've got a question. Like, is this the environment you want to be raising your kids? And listen, for me, I think that Lauren and I provide a lot of insight for young kids, young children.

But with the society standards, I know that we are probably not the place where parents point to as the if so facto authority on good parenting. So here's a hot tip though, Michael. For our kid, I already know exactly what I'm going to do. So I'm going to get pink noise canceling headphones or ear plugs. and I'm just going to put them in the kids' year when I drive around because I find that's really efficient because I'll be... Is that abuse?

I'm really going to do that. We really know a lot about parenting, don't we? No, I don't. All right, guys, let's get right into this episode with Justin Anderson and Jillian Michaels. This is the skinny confidential, him and her. Fucking rhinoceros. I love... Jillian has a one track, fucking mind.

It's my favorite thing of the world. She can think about a million things, but one thing when it's over time. No, just obsessive compulsive. We're going to have a hell of a time, Rangley, this show in today. Back in the studio, Jillian Michaels, Justin Anderson, Michael Bosick, Gmore, Everts. Jillian, we, uh...

What's going on? What's going on? Oh, my God. So, I want to say two years ago, my baby mama and I split up. We announced it a year ago, but, you know, it takes time to, like, go through the courts and get all that stuff done,

so we officially filed to dissolve our domestic partnership. And for some reason, and it's like become a story again. I have no idea why. And these tablids are so out of control. They're like calling people that Heidi went to high school with, my ex. And so Jay walks in, Justin walks in, and we're old friends.

And of course, yes, he also does my hair. And he's like, girl, I got this email. Girl. You got to read the email. Girl. No, so she reaches out to me yesterday. She basically says, if you'll give me any dirt about Heidi's and Jillian's divorce, will plug your hair product, D.P. Hugh, however you want.

Yeah, so I'm like playing with it. I'm like, wait, how big of a publication is this? Is my friendship worth it? No, so it's just, it's hilarious. But even with, like, all the celebrities that I work with, you know, it's just funny that it's like, this has happened to me before with Jillian. Like, people have reached out asking about the divorce when it very first started happening.

Is there anything you can say about it? Like, is it going down? And I'm like, who the fuck do you think I am? And you guys are on, you and Heidi are on good terms. They're such good terms. We share a lizard. The lizard goes back and forth. No, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

You share a lizard. Spike. My son had to have a fucking bearded dragon. Their house is a zoo. I like how you, that's the first thing you mentioned that you share a lizard. That's co-panting and it's funny. It's like normally the nanny travels with the kids, maybe the dog, but with us it's the kids and the lizard. How big is the lizard?

He's only three inches, but it gets to be like a several feet, this little fucker. Okay, but what? What is it about the lizard that you feel you need to see once a week? I just thought, no, it travels with the kids. Oh, so the kids want the lizard. The kids and the lizard go back and forth between homes. And it's like, you know, one day I'm like, hey, by the way, you know, you're going to need a terrarium. And she's just like, all right, you know, she's down.

She's chill. Like, we get along great. We weren't the best couple after a really long time, but we're good friends. So anyway, I was like, Justin, could you send me that email? So I threw it up on Instagram. She takes it to the next level. I promoted his publicist is loving that. Allow me please to promote the DP Hugh product, if you don't mind.

I think I can do this better than Katie Bruno. Yeah. So I was like, everybody, my dear friend forwarded this to me. And Katie Bruno, you know, eat a dick. You're a bag of dicks. I'm sure. Whoever wants to see the email, it's up on her Instagram. Yeah, go.

At Jeline Michaels. Like a publicist dream to work with. How can you maintain being cordial after? you get a divorce. Do you have any tips for anyone? It's how you break up in reality. And also, I think, like, look, we actually, there is no dirt. We didn't cheat on each other. We just, nine years in, just grew apart. So did you wake up and look at each other and just say one day, or was it, like, over time? This is an odd line of questioning. No, I want to know. I want to know how you can be friends.

Do I have something to worry about here? It's the odd line of question. Wait, what is it, like, first, marry for money, second, marry for love, then marry for companionship? So you're my first. Oh. So I actually want to know how someone can get divorced and still be on the same terms because that's usually gnarly. I think it's how you split is really it. And like neither one of us cheated. It just, it was coming for years.

You saw it. And also it's like the combination of the people. You know, Jillian's like a really strong personality. And then if you met Heidi, Heidi's a lot like my boyfriend actually. And over the years, Jillian and I've known each other for years. And like over the years, I noticed that Jill and I are a lot more alike. A lot more alike. As I've kind of like grown up with Jill, like I've realized we are.

And I'm dating, my boyfriend's a lot like Heidi, you know. So hot. That jaw line. Well, wait, can you like tell us about your boyfriend? Because we decided we were going to just rip the band-aid off and go right into relationships with you guys. We decided that just now. I've been with my boyfriend for about, it's almost been five years now. It's been a long time.

Yeah, it's been a long time. And he's just the best guy. ever were such a good match. Gillian and I actually met, so Jill used to be on the biggest loser, obviously, with Bob Harper was her, with the other trainer on the show, and Bob and I used to date. So that's how we met. Bob introduced us.

Jill and I, in that divorce, I got Justin. I forgot that he used to date Bob. Yeah, so that's how we very first met. And then Bob always had like a jealousy of how much I loved, because you and Bob had your shit for years. We did. We were, had a weird, like... They were up and down, like, brother and sisters. Sometimes they were best

friends. Sometimes they hated each other. But I, Jillian and I always stayed really consistent. I would always be like, when we're in New Zealand for the biggest loser, I wanted to go to dinner with Jill and Heidi every single night. And Bob was like, no, like, why are you so obsessed with Jill? Like, whatever. So when Bob and I broke up, Jill and I kept our relationship going.

But I think now I figured out that it's just because Jill and I are a lot more alike. How so? Like, give us specifics. I think it's like the intensity for work to drive to be successful. I think that when you start to talk to Jill and you get like underneath her

her tough shell like Jill like she is she's so sweet and she wants to go in really deep with relationships and like that's my favorite thing I never want like a surface friend and even if Jill and I don't see each other for months like the minute we see each other we'll go in deep and like I just love friends like that um we use you as an example all the time actually expect a lot from me from both of you too Lauren and I both use as an example you're one of the nicest most down-door people we've ever met I swear to that's not true until something bad happens but it's like no but the thing is she's real. Like you know what you're going to get

with you there's no bullshit. And that's how you are same. And I love those kind of people. Which is how you are. You both were all, I think everyone in this room is like that. Very authentic. We asked two of our favorite podcast guest back for a reason. Here we are. I was actually when we had you on the podcast the first

time blown away like at how down to earth you are. Because we've only seen you know, we grew up only just seeing your celebrity personality like your persona that's put out to the world so we never, you know, we didn't have the reaction She's been fighting that forever. I feel, you get to see people, I think, in a different position because they're in, like, your chair, which is, it's a different relationship, I think, than when they come on a podcast.

Oh, yeah, for sure. They're not on. It gets really real in my chair. You know, the conversation's, like, and I don't know for me, like, I've just never been one of those people that's, like, interested in, like, those surface conversations, like I was saying. So I immediately will relate to someone who wants to get in really, really deep and talk about serious things. And that's what I love about Jill. She gets really, really real. She doesn't hide anything.

I think that we're like in this world where everyone sugarcoats everything and tries to put out this version of what they want people to think they are. And I think about my client roster and we'll talk about celebrities because everyone loves like a celebrity color. Give us a juice.

I feel like if you look at... I'm the least famous. Shut on, please. The one that everyone talks about. It's funny. Like out of my roster, there's certain people that really had... Like, Kristen Cavalier has...

People are obsessed with her. Jillian Michaels, people are obsessed with her. Chelsea Handler? Yeah, Chelsea. Jennifer Aniston, Miley Cyrus. Jennifer who? Right? Charlize their own, Gwyneth Paltrow,

Margot Robbie, those are my clients. So I have like a badass group of like women. I've never heard of those girls. But my thing is, is like I really feel like you were trapped. When did we get Margo Robbie, by the way, and how did you not tell me the minute that happened? I've been with Margo for a while. I got her right before the Oscars last year.

Jesus, Justin. She would be a hot date. She's stunning. Fire. That girl. And she's fucking rat. Again, it goes back to that thing like she's just cool. So I feel like you would try.

interact a certain type of a person, really, really real. You know, I think about like a Miley Cyrus compared to Taylor Swift. I don't know why I'm comparing Taylor. I'm like, Miley, we scratch that, don't talk with that. Take that out of there. You're a Swifty, so I can't believe you just have that. I love Taylor Swift music. They actually canceled dinner on me and was like, I'm so sorry, but I've just come

into Taylor Swift tickets. And I was like, Justin, is this a joke? Who do you like better, Taylor or Brittany? You like Britney better. Oh, I love Britney. I mean, I'm the biggest Britney fan in the world. How do we get, I asked you this before and you said no, but how do we get Britney in your chair? I don't want to do it.

He doesn't want to do it. I'm putting that out there right now. It's not going to be good. I mean, it's never going to be pretty. It's never going to be my work. She's going to sit in the chair and she'll give me five minutes to do her blonde hair, so it's going to look like shit no matter what. I mean, if you just look at her, it's like, her makeup's done. She has like half her eyelashes on.

You can tell that like when she's getting her makeup and hair done, she jumps out of the chair. Like I'm done, I'm done, I'm done, I've heard that. And so it's like, I don't want to try and do her. want did her hair, I would want to make it beautiful and I just would never get that opportunity. We could like drug her. Yeah. I mean, if I could do it in her sleep. Yeah. But I feel like I would be let down. I don't, I think that she would be so nice and so sweet. I'm not saying anything about that. She's sick of people tugging at her. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And it's Jill, you get it too. It's like, I feel like you get to a certain level. When you have a certain clientele, people will come to me

thinking I'm going to be this fucking magician, right? So they come to me like broken, destroyed hair. And they think, oh, he does Jennifer Anson's hair. He's going to fix my hair in one appointment. It's like, no, it takes months. It'd be the same thing with Jill. It's like, Some overweight person comes to Jill, it's like she's the best trainer on Earth. She's going to make me skinny in a week. You know, it's just like people's expectations when you're this celebrity trainer or celebrity hair person. So I think Brittany would let me down. How are you guys both?

I know we've talked about this a little bit with you, but how are you guys scaling? You're known as a celebrity hairstylist. How are you going to scale that? Like, for instance, are you always going to be doing hair? Is it something that you're going to. He has not come to terms with that yet. I've had this conversation with him. to talk to him about this.

And I like, I want to know, like, what the plan is. Yeah, me too. Because I literally was like, sweetheart. Like, you're, you're getting too busy. Like, I remember the day. He's, like, famous. He's his own celebrity. Yeah, when you can no longer, like,

take a client. Like, you, you just can't. So what did you do? You know what happened? This happens with a tattoo artist, too. You do it for charity? Really? You don't, so you don't take any clients on.

No, like, really? For, how? What about the lizard? Do you have Spike? And he does, he does, like, binge eat crickets to the point that I am a little worried. Like, a bastard ate, like, 50 crickets in two days. Michael eats crickets, too. He eats these cricket bars.

I'm like, please no. Well, I was trying that for a while. It ended up being kind of a mess, you know? No, I understand. Like, there's cricket then? Yeah, but the thing, yeah, cricket protein. It's actually good. I've heard that, actually.

You know, the same thing happened with my tattoo artist, Dr. Wu, he's, you know, he blew up on Instagram. He used to be over here at Shamrock, and he just, like, blew the fuck up. I actually just heard about this guy. He was amazing. He was the best, but he blew up on Instagram. got a couple million followers. And so what happened is every, like, Miley got tattooed by him.

Like, actually the girl from Game of Thrones, a Colise, he just got, so he's getting like that type of clientele. What happens is you can't get in. He's now over at the Roosevelt place. So what did you do when you realized you had to make that transition? He couldn't scale because he couldn't just keep taking clients. He's got to figure out like what his next transit. He's going into fashion, I think.

You have to put the message out on a bigger platform. So it's like, it's a book. It's an app. It's a DVD. It's a set of hair products. Like, he's like, I'm on HHS. I'm on this, I'm on that, I'm here, I'm there. Like, he did Vine years ago when Vine was a thing.

Like, and it's scaling it, you know, and you do kind of get away from, there was a, the other day I did this speaking engagement. And there were like a couple thousand people there. And I was happy, right, for the first time in a long time, because you have that direct connection with people you're trying to work with. And then, you know, two hours before that, I was having a fight with two billionaires over a decision regarding fucking organic coffee. and these assholes are in the midst of a pissing match and I was like, how the fuck did I get so far afield? And, you know, it's just, that becomes part of it and he struggles with the business part of it.

Because he's like, at his boyfriend's birthday, like almost a year ago now, he was just like, oh my God, I'm like, so depleted with the business side of the business. This is what I'll say as a creator. I've realized after nine years of blogging seven days a week that I have to step up and scale my business and launch a product or, you know,

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It's it's it's a big transition he hasn't he just can't He's coming recently my my business partner with Deepi Hu we came together and she was like you know you've got to stop doing so much hair because I was still doing Salon days where I do like 15 plus people in a day then I would go into meetings at the end of the day It's like I'm doing podcasts we have all of our products and Ulta Beauty, Sephora, you know, we're... Instagram Live, too. All the Instagram Lives and all the kinds of... So I was worn the fuck out.

I was working seven days a week. I really have, like, no friends anymore. Like, my family was here in L.A. I don't see anyone, unless you're literally, like, my boyfriend who lives with me or my sister, who I literally had to move into the apartment next door so we could spend more time to take it, and she works with me.

I wasn't seeing anyone, and I was just depressed and unhappy, and, but like you said, like, I love doing hair. It makes me really, really happy. So just recently, I kind of cut off the salon business, so told all of my, you know, unfortunately, everyday salon clients that I wasn't really doing hair in the salon anymore. And people said the shittiest things to me. You know, it's like, people who I'd done their hair for years were like, congratulations,

you've always wanted this, you've wanted to build this business. But then some people were like, who do you think you are? Karma is going to get you. Like, oh, you're only going to work with certain celebrities now. And that was my biggest fear because at the end of the day, Jillian knows me, like, really deep, you know? And it's like, I think I have an alcoholic dad, so there's lots of, like, codependency issues, right? So it's like when people are upset with me or people get mad at me, it hurts so bad.

And I think if people see me from the outside, they're like, oh, this guy, you know, works with these major celebrities, has a hot boyfriend. He's in Hollywood, all this kind of stuff. He's tough, but like, I'm sensitive. So it's like doing that breakup with those clients and letting go of that part of my life was really freaking hard on me. So then to get some of that pushback from certain people, like, it broke my heart. Like, the past few days, I've just been like obsessing over like these three particular

emails that I got that were just like, who do you think you are? You know, karma is going to get you rather than just like, like realizing it's like this is the direction I need to go with now with the business you know things are changing I would love to just be at a fucking chair doing hair all day long that's my passion you know but it's like I also know that I want a lot out of life I like it's not sustainable yeah it's not sustainable well and if you don't evolve you end up actually turning your passion to something you resent yeah yeah yeah doing it day after day after day you sometimes do end up resenting it so you have to be careful how did you do that with training like did you one day

just say I'm not doing this anymore or was it a slow thing and was it sort of It would seem impossible because it was like, okay, when he ended up on Biggest Loser, you're shooting. There's nothing. You are not available. And so, you know, I would, and what I've always done, like, because I'll still get calls from like a Julia Roberts, a pink, a Maria Shriver. And it's like, even Kelly Ripple, like, I was just doing Kelly and Ryan in New York. And she's like, I would, you would have always been my trainer. I'd love to work out with you.

And it's like, I don't have so much fun training Kelly Ripper. But when the fuck am I going to train Kelly Ribbon? So I was like, look, if you're ever in L.A., like, we could work out together. Or I would set her up with somebody in New York. And so what I would do is get the clients, like, set up with somebody else. So, like, I gave Julia a trainer named Andy. I gave Pink a trainer named Jeanette Jenkins. And I started them out, got them set up, made the intro, supervised the transition.

And then they became fast friends with those individuals. so it was like it was a nice smooth transition like I didn't just step out but being a trainer is different because that's you're going back like day after day or multiple times a week so for me with the hair you know it's like I still do Jennifer Anderson Charlie's throwing all all these girls you know and um because I only see him like every six weeks you know tonight I'm going I'm seeing my least side I was like late tonight you know it's like I have a full day of my work stuff but then I'll see my late tonight and those things those relationships for me do help my brand you know it helps me spread awareness helps me keep credibility you know it's like Like, I do always want to be known as a hair colorist and, you know, an expert in my field, the more, like, products that I create and stuff.

But I just don't have the time to do salon days. But, like, who's your mentor, babe? Or, like, who's the one you want to model your business off? Like a Jose or bear? No, I mean, when I was a kid, like John Frida, I would look at the- John Frida doing fucking hair. No, they stopped a long time ago. That's what I'm saying.

And for years, I've been, like, sweetheart. Like, you and I've had this conversation. I'm like, Jay, I know the days. going to come and you're like no no no no no no and I was like it's okay like I keep trying to it's going to be okay every industry right like say like even if you related to a company right like at beginning you hire a couple people and they have instant access to rivers at the top and as that business scales like you bring more and more people and it's like it's possible to give everything individual attention there's no way to grow you have the same problem I have

I relate to so much I feel guilt it's guilt that you're feeling because I where I relate to him is I feel like him and I are people pleasers and we want and we want everyone to feel comfortable and we want everyone to have good energy and good vibes and we want to please everyone and when that doesn't happen it's guilt but that guilt ends up helping no one he's like he doesn't care so true they're enabling that person totally to them feel like oh yeah that's like you know what I wish I didn't have that you are responsible for my happiness which is absurd so it's not doing them any favors either sweetheart like it just doesn't there's a way like i i would say you know you would have middle management in your company right and you would say so-and-so's going to handle this you're in

great hands right he would have his protegees underneath him and it's like okay so-and-so's and sometimes look jay in all transparency some of them were not as good as you so you know you might lose a few people to a different individual with that said like who fucking cares right that's so i thought What? It's also, I think, hard, too when you're so used to being such a perfectionist and liking things the way you like it to delegate. That's been so hard for me. To delegate when it's not the way I want it. That's why there's so many starving artists, right? This is like cool. It's true, because you can't. Get on your soapbox. You can be the most perfection of person, but if you, if you're the bottleneck of that process, there's no way to scale. You have to give a little

bit of the control in order to, if you want to scale, you don't have to, like, you could just be somebody that's, hey, I'm doing this. I'm doing, you know, the tattoo artist. I'm, I'm the only one that's going to do this care. But if you're, but if you want to scale something, you have to release some of that control and give some other people some room to succeed and empower your business and grow your business with you. Or else it's impossible. For sure. And you can't micro, I've made that mistake of like you micromanage them.

But then while you're micromanaging, you're not overseeing X, Y, and Z, which falls apart. And then if you don't check in at all because you're like, oh, they got this. I trust that person. Then it's going to go off the fucking rails regardless because they might not share your vision. So it's like just the right amount of like licking everything in the fridge. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like you don't have to eat at all.

Right. You got to lick everything in the fridge. But not the coffee if it's not organic. You just kind of point it in the direction you want to give it a little nudge. There it is. You trust everyone else to. That's exactly right. Check in. But you have to be the person driving the direction and creating that first nudge.

Yes. And just periodically like check in on it. Where are we at with this? Have we hit this benchmark? Okay, no. You know, shift over a bit this way. How involved are you in your business day to day? Like, are you, are you, do you wake up in the morning and go down your to do list?

Or are you more free now to sort of move how you want to move because things are happening. No, I have to. Free is not the word. Yeah, constantly like check in on X, Y, Z. Nothing free about. Like in the calendar invite yesterday, I was like, oh, my God, I probably gave her so much anxiety that it said 1030 to two. You're probably like, oh, my God. I was like, wait, because I, I, like, five hours of podcasting.

No, it was wrong. What was wrong? I was like, hold on. I was like, wait a second. What the fuck are we going to talk about? Well, we could talk for four hours that we want. We could. But like I have a lunch with my VP and to do our like, okay, let's go through, you know, what's the brand

book going to look like? Q1 through this time, you know, this period of the year, blah, blah, blah. And I need you to look at the messaging on X, the same thing we're talking about. So she'll like cue it all up and then I can go like, yeah, no, I don't like that. No, I like this. Yes, I like that. You were fine. Yeah.

You were in clothes. Like we just did some deal for like handheld stuff with this company called IWorld. And they sent it through and it was like a pink and a blue. And I was like, well, can we go? You're not a pink and a blue person. I'm not a pink and a blue person. Right? I was like, I personally am not.

So I was like what else can we give me like a like a purple, silver like neon yellow green? Like give me something else. And like, so she's done the work. But then I just like tweak the color palette. Totally. More along the lines of. And we already agree. read on the product. So it's just

periodically checking in. Get exactly what Michael said. Like, you get it on the road. You jumpstart that battery. Give the car a little push. Michael's so good at that, too. If you want to scale that way, right? Like, some people don't want to do. Some people, listen, I just want to be a one person show, just want to do this thing. Like, you don't,

it just, it depends what you want to do. But for what you're trying to do, like, you got to scale. You got to scale. You're not going to have an option. You know what you both do really well that I want you both to speak on is that, yes, you guys are both scaling your business. in building your business, but you guys also have accessibility through Instagram stories.

You're both, and Instagram Live, I was talking you about that earlier. So it still feels like there's this personalization to both of your brands. Is there a strategy on your stories? Because both of your stories and your, and your life is... His stories inspired me to start amazing. I never storied until Justin's story. I don't watch anyone's stories besides, like, very few people.

And your stories are fucking... I don't either. And I watch Jillians because... Jillians are hilarious and I feel like it's like her personality now and for me like what I've always wanted to do with it. The prick and his yoga class. You've seen that right? I haven't seen the freak of the spot in hot yoga. No I haven't seen that one. It was like an ongoing story for the longest time. Kevin who stole my fucking spot and yoga. Kevin would always steal his spot so he'd like show up before the sun would come up. Does the prick watch his stories?

I don't know. He did because now he backed off he doesn't take my spot. I would cry like I would wake up every morning to see like it just got his spot. It's a competitive thing like I'm so fucking competitive secretly. Maybe not secretly. I don't think it's that secret. Yeah, but I'm so competitive. But it's like he would start taking my spot that I liked the hottest spot in the hot yoga room.

So I would start going like an hour before the gym even open. I was there like 4.30 in the morning just sitting out front. Yeah, and I would go in and I'd set up my spot and I'd see him walk in and he'd look at me. It was just like this whole ongoing thing and I like play with it. It was ridiculous. Like I literally would cry and I would wake up every morning and excited to see.

And then there was one where Justin would like walk in in there was Kevin Shiddle set up. And he was, I want to peel it. He was, I wanted to peel. It's like, this is in your territory. Yeah. And I was like, this is, miraculous. What time is this guy getting there?

He would get there, like, five. So I'd see him coming up and he'd like, look at me. I mean, it was just like a whole thing. And it was kind of funny, but it was like, I mean, I was serious about it. I wanted that spot. So I would go sit out there. I'd sit in front of the gym before to even open at like 4.30 and I'd just do my emails right there waiting for the door to open.

And I'd go and I'd grab my spot. And I'd do some more emails or whatever. See, if I were, like, everyone in life and they're trying to scale their business, I would just tell them that the Instagram stories and Instagram and social media platforms is so important to put your energy towards. That's important. I know how to use that. Like, I'm a master.

I've been watching you. You're doing, like, amazing. No, uh-uh. Your Instagram live with your brother, I watched the entire thing. It was like two hours. It was shit-faced. I don't even remember what time it was. In my room, because I'm the one with, like, this crazy full-length mirror.

and he's 29 and this bitch is always in the mirror because he likes the light, it's like downlight, so it makes him look like he has better abs than he does. You would love that mirror. We should buy that. Can you send me the link? I don't have a lot of downlights in my face. Downlights. I mean, oh my God. And I just was like, this is such a fucking,

this is just, what is this everybody live with a millennial and is this what happens when they do? My whole skin is glowing right now. Are you fucking kidding me, Lauren, talking about like selfies and mirrors right now? Yeah, I do have a selfie. We have such good light in my new house. My skin is going, though.

I was like, staring. I'm like, what is going on? Seven step routine. Really? Morning and night. It's because I, listen, I always tell people, but my dream as a little boy was saying, like, maybe one day I'll get to talk to beauty experts, hair experts. Yeah.

I'm just kidding. But I talk to so many people now that it's just like registered like, oh, that's how you do that. I mean, it's like, imagine you talk fitness and health all day. You are the glowiest person at the table. It's like so weird. Like, why am I not this glowing? Do you know what was the change? I got to talk to doctors, skin doctors, and then also experts.

And so, like, hey, you just do this, this and this. And now it's just like a normal part of getting dressed. He taps his under eye with his index finger. No. Oh, yeah. That's a big thing, though, just because you don't want to pull on that sensitive skin. I was looking like an old weathered saddle. I tell people like, people forever.

Like something that had been ridden hard and thrown away wet multiple times. No, like that's bad for guy, though. His forehead was in his eyes. Like, you know, the Charlie Brubber. ground character when they're dancing in the Christmas song and the eyes are closed. That's what I got. So we got lots of listener questions for you guys. I don't know if you saw, I asked the listeners to ask you guys questions. So I'm just going to throw questions at you. You can answer it as long or as short as you want. Okay. All right, this episode is heating up.

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All right, ready? Have you vetted these or are you just going to? Okay, this is, no, I'm just going to read them out. This one, this is a good one because it's relevant. How can I be platinum and maintain healthy hair? Oh. So being platinum is really, really hard. And you need to find somebody who's really good at doing color, whichever part of the country you're in.

You know, you find somebody who's really good at it and you go in and you need to listen to them. If you have really, really dark hair and that professional is saying it's not a good idea, your hair is going to break off, you know, don't do it. You know, you got to listen to people. But if you do end up doing it, I mean, Lauren, we just made you platinum recently. And Lauren completely follows instructions. I'm like, look, if you're going to be platinum white, you can't wash your hair every day. You can't shampoo every day because it dries your hair out. Then you blow dry it.

And that's when the breakage happens. So you've got to let your hair be dirty. Two and a half weeks. All I've used on my hair is D.P.E. The dry shampoo. What's the exact one? Because I want to make sure it's in the show notes. It's the apple cider vinegar.

And it doesn't make your hair, you know how some makes your hair like all white? Chalky. It doesn't do that. So that's all I've done. But you actually have to commit to not washing your hair. So all of our products at D.P.Hew, we've made them. So they all take care. of hair color in between salon visits.

So it was very important to me to kind of maintain hair color between going and seeing your hair colors, right? So everything has like a purpose. The ACV rinse is like a really gentle way to wash your hair. I really believe that people should not shampoo their hair every day. Shampoing your hair, sudsing it up, it like strips the good oils out. Your hair gets dry. That's when the breakage happens.

So with the platinum, it's just don't overwash. Make sure you add oils to the hair, a clear oil. You know, the argon oil from R line is completely clear, lightweight. People don't realize that if you have a tinted oil and you, you put it on blonde hair, it's going to make it, it's going to turn it a certain color. If you have a white t-shirt and you put any sort of, like, stain on it, it's going to stain it. So that's good. Platinum's hard.

What is Zach Ephron doing? Because I know you guys just made him platinum. Yeah. So Desi, my assistant, just made Zach platinum. And when guys have shorter hair, it's easier, you know? They're not blowing out their hair. They're not putting curling irons in and whatnot. Should we do it to Michael?

Like, honestly, actually, not joking. I don't know if that's going to work for me. Why? Should we do it to Michael? It would look cool. And I mean, but then it's like he has. that whole grow out. If his hair is short, do you love his head of hair? I would want him to really want his hair is so good. I know. I married him for his hair line. We didn't do a cold to

sex situation. It's like perfect hairline. You know what I mean? He loves his hair. He doesn't know what to say because he's like this. I got given one thing, right? I'll take the hair. No, you got given other things. I wouldn't have married you just for your hair. Let's be honest about that. Okay, someone asked. They said three tips to quick weight loss. Weight loss is very simple. It's math. I mean, there's just no fucking way around it. It is just math.

There's a great TED talk on it. Google the mathematics of weight loss. And they will explain to you. It's the law of thermodynamics, which basically means energy is not created in a vacuum, right? Fat is stored energy. If you eat more energy than your body is utilizing to function over the course of your day, you will store that energy as fat.

The only way to burn fat, there are no foods that burn fat, there's no fucking syringe that burns fat I just had a fight with somebody who was going to do an IV to burn fat for 150 bucks it's just like it's all bullshit so the only way to burn fat is don't eat so much fucking food and move your fucking ass a bit fucking more and that's the end of the

So should you use my fitness pal since it's so much math to like write down exactly what you're eating? Yeah I mean like log your food but what's what makes this not so shitty is that you go okay I'm trying to lose weight right all right Let's say a pound is 3,500 calories. You want to lose two pounds.

You can wear a device that will tell you how much you're burning in a day. So that's going to do that math for you. And it gets pretty close. It might not be perfect, but it's relatively accurate, right? So let's say it says 2,000. All right, we burn 2,000 calories today. You should never as a woman eat below 1,200 with unlimited greens. Never as a man eat below 1,600 with unlimited greens.

So how you can accelerate weight loss is by working out a bit harder, a bit more often, right? because you're creating more of an energy call. What's your favorite workout for women? What they're going to do? Just move. What they're going to do? Like my favorite workout? I mean, we could see,

you're going to be like, okay, you need resistance training, and you need it done in metabolic circuits, which means we're going to incorporate hit intervals, and then we're going to fucking... But like, this is why, like, I create workout, so you don't have to know all that shit. But if you'd rather stick needles in your eyes

than do burpees with me in your fucking living room, and you much prefer to go for a hike in the canyon or hot yoga. Like I would tell him, no, we're not doing hot yoga. He fucking loves it, okay. Hot yoga for me, though, was like something I hated yoga for years. And I'm one of those people, if I hate something, but other people like it, I want to try it. So I'm what's happening.

I hated fucking yoga. So then I started going. I'm like, I'm going to learn to like it because everyone says it's so good for you. And then now I still weight training. I lifted weights this morning and I skipped yoga today. But it's like I just wanted to like. But he likes it. He goes every morning.

Both of you look so fucking good. Can you tell us some things that you do? because I like I can't deal. Justin's muscles petruding. Oh my God. Justin is a fucking. You like are so fit. You like, you're like shredded.

You're like a 13 year old. I, we were in a Malfi coast and I finally got to train this guy. Oh, well, we were them. Really. We were really fun. Well, we were held hostage by the mafia at one point, which was an international incident. This is actually true. Tell the story.

Tell the story. Tell the story. We'll go ahead. Okay. So literally like two summers ago, she'll reach. out to me and she's like babe I want to get a boat on the Mofi coast and she's like you and scooter my boyfriend's scooter she's like you and scooter come to the Mofi coast all you have to do is get yourself there and we're gonna get on this boat

and we're gonna go for like 10 days on the boat whatever and I'm like fuck yeah worked out with my schedule I'm like I'm gonna do it let's do it so we go down there we like land and just like the conversation in the car when we all get together Jillian's coming from a bees off like a party trip she lands at a Bofi we all get in this car together and Jill's like you guys I don't know what this boat's actually gonna be like like we start thinking about things we start talking about like... Because the car was shady. Remember, like, the smog from the engine was coming

into the vents. I was like, this is not right. It was like this shitty van and it was just like, it just fell off. It's a bad fucking sign. So we get to the, we get to the boat and the, to me, the boat's stunning. Like, it's a big boat. You know, there's four bedrooms in it. First, we were happy. Yeah, we were happy.

It was going to be amazing. But then things just started happening. It just started getting like worse. Bottom line, we escaped the boat in the middle of the night, like called a water taxi and literally threw a our luggage onto the water taxi and escaped in the middle of the night, like with Jill's daughter, Lou. We had Lou. Like, I think I had her, like, over my shoulder and I'm, like, jumping into a boat.

And the guys who worked on the boat are screaming from the boat, like, it was this whole thing. It was crazy. We really escaped. Like, and then it got... Wait, wait, but what did they want? Money. They were trying to blackmail us from money, so they were like, oh, you're out of money, and I was like, and I had given them quite a bit of money to cover all expenses. So, like, a few days in there, like, you're out of money, and we're out of gas.

So they would like strand us in the middle of the ocean. So we would all get seasick. And I was like, I'm not fucking giving these guys a dime. Everybody's peaking overboard. They won't dock the boat. And you're stranded. I mean, you're on a boat with them. And if they're asking you for like $10,000 more.

You know, and it started to get crazy. And then once, you guys know, Jill's business. He was there? Oh, yeah. But once he left, it got even weird. Because it's like, oh, now it's just Jill with the gay boys, you know. So it's like, then they start getting really aggressive. We got you on the show.

And I love J. How did he get off the boat? How did he exit the situation just leave everybody? He had to go back to the States. He was leaving early already. His plan was we dropped him off at a certain point. Oh my God, remember when they abandoned us in Positano when the dogs for like four hours and never came back for us? So then we had a scavenger hunt.

Are you guys drunk or is this like a sober like working out eating healthy trip? No, we were both. Apparel sprits. Yeah, I did a lot of apparel sprits. Yeah, I did have some apparel sprits. But Jill trained us every day. We were like... Which was originally why I was getting into this because I would make.

like Justin like tow the yacht. Anything to move. Anything to move. To the yacht. I literally would like, what do you do for a workout? I'd tow a yacht. I swear to God, I would like put a dingy on him. And I'd be like, swim bitch.

And he, I hate it. It was, to this day though, it was the best trip of my life. I had so much fun. I mean, it's a memory. Like, because when we exit the boat too, it like got released in the paper. And then make him swim to the restaurant and shit. I was like, this is not safe.

He could die. I was like, he'll be okay. Go, Jay, go. Like, boats are swimming by. She put my boyfriend, like, in the little, like, inner tube with the rope on it. He'd be way out there and I have to pull the rope in. She's, like, screaming.

Like, I was, because she said they wanted to work out. Yeah. So I was like, okay. And, you know. And my boyfriend does not work out. So he's looking like, I fucking hate you. Like, every day. Because he's young.

Genetic. He says shit. I mean, his butt, it's like, what is that? What's in there? Michael has the same kind of butt. Yeah. We're not talking about me. Yeah.

So what are. things that you guys do on a daily basis that you think make all the difference, because you both look amazing. I supplement like crazy, and I do think it matters, and I use organic whole food-based products. So, like, I like a lot of naturals.

I like ancient nutrition. There's not a ton of brands I'm obsessed with like that, but like Dr. Axe just merge with ancient nutrition. So, like, I do like fish oils, probiotics, super greens, super reds, MSM, Glucosomy, condroitin branched chain aminos and grass fed way like adapted genes but like the cool thing about like

the align natural stuff is it'll be like all in one so like the grass fed way has branched chain aminos and collagen and MSM glucose amicondroit so it's combined is this all planned out like did you like meal prep but supplement prep I basically have a regimen for yes like I wake up in the morning I do these like d3 omega whatever crazy ass fish oil with a zinc C because I I take zinc for like thyroid and healing. And you have the best skin. Oh, well, that is not entirely all supplementation. But she'll tell you what it always was.

I mean, once you start. Is the zinc, does the zinc have like, is it kind of like a label with, it's a brown bottle with a blue and like orange label? Is it a liquid too? No, it's a, oh yeah, that's the one. No, it's like, I can't do zinc and liquid is so disgusting. I'm talking about the fish oil.

Oh, the fish oil, it's like, par, there's a one called Paragon, I think, that I take in like a gel. Tell them what your supplement is thanks to. I'm actually trying to figure out if this is what. Well, I do the zinc for sure. No, he, Joe Rogan inspired his supplement routine.

So he goes through these phases where it's like, you do the MSM, glucosomy, chondroit and mix. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I do, you know, those athletic packs? You know, the blue with the, the, oh, shit, I'm one of them. Probably electrolytes. No, it's, they're vitamins, but it's D3, zinc, glucosamine. Okay.

But it sounds like you don't do like a pack of stuff. It sounds like you mix and match. My shit is none of it's synthetic, all organic and all from, Whole food. I'm going to show you to my office right next job. You have to make whatever you're saying, all these things that are so overwhelming. You have to make, like, you said you don't like pink. So what did you say you like?

What color did you say like? Silver and purple. Silver and purple packs that we can just wake up, rip the top off and take. Go to, like, a lot of natural has that stuff, though. So they do it kind of for use. Like their amazing green product will have the enzymes and the adaptogens and the antioxidants and the polyphenol. so it's like a scoop, right?

And you can put it in something. Okay, I'm going to go get that. Then I'll do Miracle Reds. Like, they don't have a red product, but they have, I'll just have them send it to you. I mean, I would love to try any of this. I'll have them send you everything. But the Glucosamine is worth taking, right? It's not only good, but I like to blend the glucosamine with a multi-cologen.

So, like, a multi-collegin is really important because. I don't know about that, but it's good. So, so think about your body is made up of all different kinds of collagen, right? So, like, you're the lining of your intestine. is one type of collagen. Your skin is another type of collagen, and it goes on and on. So you want a multi-collegin product with the MSM glucosamine. And what's interesting is in this book I just wrote about anti-aging.

MSM glucosamine condorin has actually been linked to all different kinds of anti-aging benefits as well, not just joint health. But you want, you need these certain things combined in a certain way and just the right doses. It can be overwhelming. That's why I like companies that are like ethical, clean, whole food-based, all or not. your book go over this too? Yeah, it's in the book too. Like, I'm going to go, I'm going to go refer to the book. That's originally why I started fucking around with it, though, because my joints from when

I was younger are bad. And I was like, I need this. But now I feel better in a lot of different. With collagen, too. Justin, what do you do? Like, give us specifics. I eat really, really clean. I eat organic.

I really watch what I eat, but I eat a crap load of food. So I have to work out more. Like, I'll work out twice a day when I go hard on the weekends. I'm just all, it's all balanced for me, you know? I love to drink, so it's like I have to like, you know, I drink on the weekend. So then it's like I really clean it up on Monday. So I just, I eat really, really clean. But I love working.

That's when I get to like turn my brain up. What happened? I'm so sorry. Heidi just responded to my Instagram post. To me, she goes, feet? Really? That's what you give me? Also, can you correct two things just so she can't hit you back?

But instead of, I didn't put the you and buy Justin's product. She's like, put the you and run the shit past me because armpit is. one word. She has a great sense of humor. She has a good sense of humor. I love it. It was like Heidi. How many comments do we have now?

It's been like 40 minutes. I need to see it. To give some context to the listeners, Jillian posted. She told, they told, she told. Yeah, we talked about it. Fuck, I'm sorry. Let me edit.

I can't remember. I got to make armpit, one word. Excuse me. So is workout for you, Justin, hot yoga and weights all the time? Yeah, hot yoga and weights. And then just really moving. Whenever I go on vacation, I like to ride bikes or I'll do stand at paddleboard.

if I'm at a beach place. But I love, I love sweating. I love it. So it's not hard for me. That's why it's like I get that some people hate working out. Some people it's hard to diet. It's not for me. So I can't act like I'm like a superhero.

Do you have your go-to meals? Yeah. So I have a guy who cooks for me every week. His name's Eli Lawrence. And he's here in town and he drops off the food at the beginning of the week. So I eat whatever I want on Sundays. And then Monday through Saturday, I eat the food that he gives me. And for the most part, it's pretty much paleo.

And paleo just really works for me, you know? You eat his food. breakfast, lunch, and dinner? Yeah, breakfast, lunch, lunch, dinner. He gives me breakfast, and then there's three meals. So it's four meals a day, and that's all I eat. Have either of you guys tried intermittent fasting? I love it.

So do I. I like it, too. If I want to get in shape for, like, a beach trip, like, I'll do that, like, the few weeks before. But I find it's, like, easy to sustain all the time. It's just, I find to get more energy for me, too. Like, I love working out on an empty stomach. And for years, like, I used to, I used to be, like, 40 pounds bigger, like, more muscle and all that kind of stuff.

And so it was like, I was always told, like, eat a lot before your workouts, all that kind of stuff. And I hated the way I felt all the time. I like feeling empty. It feels so good. You don't feel as lethargic. Especially when you stuff your face on the weekends and do and drink too much.

It's great. You and Brennan going to that same yoga? Is it the same one? Yeah. I need to get on this yoga train. You have to go. Please take him to a yoga class. He won't steal your position.

I won't steal your position. I'll sit in the back. I'll put it in the dues. But I'm fucked up. I need to get something like. No, you're going to love it. For some reason, I feel like straight guys, like, love it. I don't know if it's because, like, the girls are hot there, too,

but, like, straight guys get really, really into it. So I feel like you'll love it for whatever reason. 1231 comments in 50 minutes. Holy shit. Oh, my God. If you sell any funny. DPQ, you should be like, shout out to DP Hugh. Like, go buy hair products.

Oh, my God. I went up like a thousand followers. Are you serious? No, I'm getting, I was at 101,000. following. I'm at 102,000. She gets tagged by personal page. It's just like going on. It turned out to be successful on both ends.

Right? Okay. I'm sorry. This is a permanent example of how now in this day and age. It's probably interesting for you to see Julian because you like control the narrative now. Right? Oh, fuck. I never. Isn't that amazing? But the thing of it is that usually it's like rise above, rise above, rise above. And that was always the mantra for my generation.

I hate rise above now. It doesn't. Like, I hate it. It doesn't work anymore because you rise above. Yeah, fuck rise above. People don't stop. Like, they just don't stop. It's like you've got pricks like Andy Cohen and like Al Roker. And it's like you try to write.

You know how many years? Al Roker. What happened with Al Roker? Oh my God. Same shit with Kido. Like, do you know how many years I've ignored Andy Cohen? To the point that I finally was like, all right, that enough is enough here, dude. What happened?

You told me a little bit on your podcast. I basically did a, did a. video blog for like women's health about keto and I based off of I don't know the hundreds of studies that I had researched. He doesn't. He's just, that's my point. So like, like he earlier had called Savannah Guthrie dumb for doing the diet and then said I was a jack hole. And you like keto or you don't like keto?

No, keto bad. Keto bad. Tito bad. Yeah. So yes, you'll lose weight on it, but there are a host of side effects over time. You want to constantly be going on ketosis really bad. Like, yeah, no. It just sounds unhealthy.

It's such a bad idea. Cetotos when you eat no carbs or any of that stuff, right? Exactly. And then your body essentially goes into. And your breath stinks. I mean, if you've ever talked to someone who's on keto for a long time, like they, they literally stink. Oh, they need a tongue scraper. No, there's something.

I have so bad. It's your stomach acid. No, it's something nasty going on inside. It's the ketones. It's when you watch the mathematics of weight loss. It's actually like when you dispel how you burn fat, they're literally exhaling byproduct of it. Okay, so you did an article on keto and how does that involve? Andy Cohen. He just because I had a really bad experience on his show years ago, right? So

I stayed really cool during the show. But then afterwards, I was like, dude, I have got to give it to you. Like, that was the single most horrendous experience I have ever had in the media in 10 years. I feel like you're so not like you're not looking to call people out either. It started out like it started out in the middle. It was like because you shoot the show in the middle of the night, right? So it's like midnight and I had been on a book tour for five days. I was up at five in the morning doing like today's show or something and doing press all day for days. My son, who I affectionately referred to as patient zero, had given us all the stomach flu. So I'm like, I'm barely propped up in this chair, right? Like, and I had never met him, but I thought we were going to be gay

homies. Like, you know, I was like, oh, we're going to have like this, this like gay bromance. me and Andy and he's friends with my like man crush Anderson Cooper and I just thought we were going to get along great so I was I'd never seen the show though so shame on me so I go on the show and he's got that like shotsky thing right where you like drink shots or whatever and so I'm sitting there and they're like explaining to me I guess how the shotsky things works and when to drink and I like nodded I was totally not myself right I nodded like okay I got it and he turns around and he looks at me and the show hasn't even starts and you know how like you guys you guys you know how like you you make fun of somebody whose special needs.

He's like, do you get it? And I woke the fuck up. Oh, God. And I was like, oh, bitch, I got it. And my publicist is like, oh, my God. No, because it's all live. And so, like, he just spent the entire hour, like, just being, like, just such an abrasive jerk.

And it's like, how do you think triggered him? It's just because he was mad you weren't paying attention? I actually think, in all fairness, like, I hate to say this. but he's very good friends with Bob. Oh, right, right. Yeah, he's very good friends with Bob. So I think that, like, we, maybe, he maybe knew a few people that I knew. And so it was like, oh, I'll get this bitch for you.

Well, your energy, she was such a business boss, masculine energy, so maybe it was intimidating. I mean, no, not at all. He had it in for me. It was, like, planned. And so we get through it. And at the end, I was like, wow, I mean, congrats. Like, you absolutely fucking sandbag me. Like, I did not see that coming.

So was he receptive? when you told him that. Pun intended. No. And they were like, she's the biggest bitch. She's the worst guest we've ever had. But then took the show down

so nobody could see what actually happened. Because I just sat there for an hour because it was live and just stayed super chill and calm. And like he had people call in and say how awful I was. Who were you with? I honestly don't remember some girl who was very low-key and sweet. And so he just had people bash you. Yeah, just the whole show.

And that never aired. Oh, it aired. But he took it down because he's like, she was so. horrendous to me because I didn't do shit. I just sat there. Like I just because I knew it was live and I was like, all right, I'm going to like, going to get through this. I'm not going to give this guy anything because I know what he's doing. And, you know, then at the end, I was like, wow, like, Bravo, like, pun intended. Like, you really are just a monster. So when you wrote your keto article, did he come out and

speak against it? At the end of it, he was like, Jillian Michaels is the jackhole of the day. And like, this has been years. Like, this guy just randomly comes out of the woodwork, right? So I finally got to the point where I was like, all right, you know what, enough of this. Hey, you want to go, dude, let's go. Like, A, you're having a boy. Don't call women jackholes. What's the fucking matter with you? B, if you want to have an intelligent conversation about keto, man the fuck up and let's do it.

See, if not, shut the fuck up and sit down. Not a peep out of this guy since. Andy, I think that you should come on your podcast and you guys should talk about keto and debate it. Because you look pretty damn good. I feel like you know what you're talking about. He's not pro keto. He's just anti-women. I'm telling you. It's an old.

No, I'm telling you. You tell it how it is. No, uh-uh. Like, look at the show. It's like, how can I humiliate these women and exploit them? And good for them, by the way, for building brands off of it, but it was just like biggest loser. Like, let's be fair. Biggest loser was, let's humiliate fat people and call them biggest losers, right?

And, oh, no, but it's about weight loss. But it wasn't. And I do remember Bob one day saying to me, because I was fighting with the producers and screaming and throwing out temptations. and he's like, we can turn this around, but not the way you're doing it. And he was right. And, you know, I was much younger than him. And he was right.

I was 30. He was 40. And he's like, we just have to do our job. And these people will look and feel amazing. And that's going to speak for itself. So calm the fuck down. And Bob was, he was 100% right. But, you know, that's what housewives, in my opinion, started out.

As I was like, let's make fun of these women with, like, nothing to do. And they rose above it. And we're like, we're going to build businesses. And we're going to actually, like, kick some ass. and take some names. Yeah, that shows evolved. I know you love Vicky. What?

I know you love Vicky. I love the housewives. I've never actually watched one episode, but I know, I know, like, individual housewives. Okay. So, of them, you know what I mean? And so, and I get like a mixed bag, but a lot of them have made a lot of stuff. Yeah, a lot of them have done great, like, built businesses and done great jobs.

Bethany Frankel? She's badass. Yeah, she's a badass. Don't know or never met her, but, like, she's done a great job building her businesses. But, like, this is what I think is cool. I mean, in the time that we've, the time something we've talked about now, like, you could really address everything immediately. Like, this person, this troll reaches out and looking for you for a story.

And next thing, like, boom, you just took that power away from them immediately. Yeah. How do both of you guys stay humble in all of this in L.A. And, I mean, you're working with, like, the top of the top celebrities. You're surrounded by the celebrities. Like, how do you, because you both are so down to earth and so fucking cool. And what you see is what you get. How do you guys maintain?

that sort of integrity? I think about all the time, and I really, I'm not trying to be like Mr. Cool guy, whatever, but I don't think that I'm that big of a deal. I know that I've done really cool things, and I'm only in competition with myself. Like there's certain goals that I set for myself and I just reach them or whatever, but I never think that I'm better than anybody. I don't compare myself to anybody. And I really just don't believe the hype.

You know, when people, I even get uncomfortable when people call me a celebrity colorist. Like, I'd never introduce myself as Justin, the celebrity colorist. And so for me, it's really not. It's about not believing the hype. And for me, it's all about the experiences. I just have goals for myself. I don't know. It's just, it comes natural.

It's not something that I think about. I don't have to do it. I just, maybe it'll slow deep down. Like, I'm a little bit insecure in certain areas. Like, I just don't think I'm the shit. I think the minutes people start believing they're the shit. It's like, you feel it. And it's just, I'm sure you both have seen it.

Yeah, yeah. No, you do. And people, I've always paid attention to the fact that, like, you know, I am around a lot of celebrities, right? And I notice the people who have real staying power. and they're good people who are in it for the right reasons. You know, you look at somebody like Jennifer Aniston, where people are like, oh, how is she getting another movie or whatever?

Like, it's like she's a badass. She's the nicest person to be around. People want to constantly work with her. I look at someone like Margo Robbie. She's young. Like Margo's really young. And every time I work with Margo, she has a million deals going on. Like, she'll be getting her hair done.

Her production team's in there. And they're talking about new projects. She wants to work on. She treats it like a business. She's not thinking about being on the red carpet and like getting her hair. They're in for the right reasons. She's not in for the bandage metrics. And for me, I really, what I do, like, I'm in it for the right reasons.

Like, I love doing hair. Since I was a kid, I was obsessed with, like, women feeling beautiful. I was obsessed with beautiful women. I was obsessed with blonde hair. So I'm in it for the right reasons. It was never like, I wasn't like, oh, I want to be a celebrity color so I can go to part. I don't go to any parties. I get invited to all these people's parties or these things.

And I don't go to anything. That's not what I'm in it for. Michael makes fun to me because I say I fucking hate networking. I don't make fun of you. No, I don't. But you network in your own way. We don't have to network anymore. No, this is a part of it.

party for me. Yeah, we can network on our social media though. I think it's okay to go and meet the right people. I don't like these stupid cocktail mixes where everyone's just trying to glad hand and like, you know, they're talking over the shoulder, but I think it's worth it meeting the right people. I mean, there's a time and place for you absolutely have to, you know, like, for me, I'm saying like, I don't

want to go to like every celebrity's birthday party and like try and sit at somebody's table at a club like that. There is something important to that though. Like, I literally called Justin, like, about this coffee company and I was like, Bay, I need your help. I'm like, we're like stuck in this position and, you know, talk of it.

about the coffee company. It's just an organic cold brew coffee company, but it's like, it's called Lucky Jack, right? I'm obsessed of it. It's all like small batch, like, family run. I thought G was going to send dear media a bunch of money. No, we'll order it. Let's order it. No, we won't. I'll get on it.

Gee, what the fuck, dude. I'm on it. I'll get on it. So, literally the problem is, as you grow as a small company and you get like a big account, like, let's say Kroger, right? So we get Kroger and they give us 2,000 doors and you'd think this would be awesome. And then they're like, okay, yeah, that's going to be, you know, X hundred thousand dollars for slotting fees and X amount of marketing

spend over here. And like, by the time you know it, it costs you 750 grand and you're not getting paid. And then it's like, then we landed public and we're like, oh, fuck. And you'd think that'd be awesome, but we're like, is this going to make us go bankrupt? Like, because it's so much money. And so I called Justin and I was like, I need your help. Can you, can you introduce me to like Donna or whatever? So like Justin's business partner, he introduced me to Donna. Donna, Donna introduced me to these guys that own Caribou coffee. And so Caribou is now talking with us, Lucky Jack, about doing some certain things together. I don't want to jump ahead of it.

But like, look at Justin was like, oh, no problem, babe. No, it's important to know. And like, look where that goes. Listen, that's how business gets done. You and Michael are very similar. You have to, right? And then I introduce you two. That's true.

Right? That is true. It's like Jay. You, or are you, I tell you about Justin? Or do you ask me about Justin? You put us on a text. Something. One of you asked me about the other.

You put us on a tax. And, like, such a good synergy. Listen, there's so many benefits in having the right relationship. You could go bang your head against the wall. So true. But, like, why? Why? You don't need to do it that way.

You're totally right. When people say work smart and hard, unless, you got to do both, obviously. It's not just one or the other. Yeah. Like, you don't have to just, but, like, if there's, if you know somebody or just knows or someone that's going to further something that I'm trying to do. Oh, yeah. I'm going to ask them, say, I don't need anything.

What did Allison Broad say? She's, like, a top PR agent. What did she say about a, about a, about servicing other people. Of course. What's the most important thing? Like servicing other people because it comes around.

They're like, oh, that guy happened with this. She said the way I got ahead is continuing to just service people and service other people and collaborating and giving my all to that. Collaboration. Your generation is great at that, though. Yeah. My generation is like bitter as fuck. Layles are great collaborators. They really are.

And Xers are just bitter and pissed all the time about everything. But it's so much. it's so much easier if everyone scratches everyone's back. I don't understand that. You get a head so much quicker that way. Like even with my assistants, it's like I, Alexi, my assistant, I sent him on tour with Miley Cyrus. And that was like his dream, you know?

And it's like, I feel like when you, yeah, like I recommend people at time. I give people shoutouts on my Instagram. Like even people who like fucking hate me to be honest. Like if I do someone's color and they've cut their hair and they hate me, like I'll still tag them and give them credit and like shout out to this haircut or whatever. And it's just like I know it'll come back to me. It'll be good. It's just like.

it also is a classy move. It's the right thing to do. It's not even hard for me. There's like, no, but there's so many people in this town who like everyone hates each other, especially hairdressers. Like there's so much gossip and drama and I'm like, I can't keep up with that shit. Like I'm just focused on myself and my friends and my brain. You're so busy. You just don't have time for it.

Listen, the first thing I asked you came in, I'm like, who the hell can help me cut this hair? Oh, God. How many times is he going to ask that? Of course I'm going to ask him. Who else is better to ask? No, we have the person to cut your hair. Alexi's going to cut your hair. Let's make sure we get the top of the first.

If you were to each leave our audience, and it's a lot of millennials, with one piece of advice, what would you say to them? I know what I would say. But I want you guys to take this in the best way fucking possible. I'm going to give you. Hold on. I'm just sit back and relax and put a piece of straw in my two. I love, like, I love, I love, I love, I love the fact that they're very innovative. I love that they collaborate.

I love that they think outside the box. But I've worked with a lot of them. And I will say that my generation, right, was the generation that it was like, not only are you the first one to come in, you're the last one to leave, but you're looking for shit to do that's not on your job description to prove your value. Oh, I hope my future employees listening to this. Keep going. It's like you're like, what?

Oh, I see that no one's doing X, Y, and Z. I'm going to step up and I'm going to take that and make it my own, right? whereas a lot of the kids that I interview with or that I come across have a very like first question out of their mouth is what are the hours? How much vacation days do I get? And then the next thing is that's not on my job description. It's insane. And I literally am like, I don't understand. What do you mean it's not on your job description?

Like assistant, which by the way, I have a personal assistant. So it's like I have a personal assistant. I have a concierge service. Like what's not on your fucking job description about? about posting a story to my Instagram, that's social media. That's not on my job description. I'm just like, wow.

And I... How can I add value? How can I add value? It's like, you don't talk to me this way, or you don't... Like, if you even get in a situation, like, I'll never forget I had this one kid who I really loved, but she fucked up and she fucked up

and she fucked up and she fucked up. And I was like, okay, listen, kid, this is like our 10th fuck up this week. Okay? And I was like, what the fuck is going on? Like it, and this is like a kid that had worked for me. Like I'd done a ton of stuff for and I was like, what is happening when I said stay home? Don't even come in tomorrow. Just stay home and go through the calendar so you know what the fuck is going on. And then I look at the calendar and like nothing's in properly. You know, it says to arrive a half an hour before but you haven't in at the time. Like if it says 11 but arrive a half hour before you have 11 so I showed up a half an hour late. I'm like you're not reading it. You're not looking at it. And it was like, are you like you don't get to talk to me like this. And I was like, like what? I wasn't like listen, you idiot or none of that.

And it's like, do you want me to enter the standard or you want to keep yelling? And I was like, okay, you're fired. Like, are you serious? Do I want you to enter it in? I'm paying you to enter it in. We've had this conversation four fucking times. It's your 1001 fuck up. And it's like, it's like a fuck up 11D1,178.

Like, are you fucking serious? What did Tim Grover say about hard work? Tell us how you feel. Oh. How much lucky Jack have you had this morning? Right? But you know what is? I told this story the other day.

Shit. Fuck. I sat down with like we're doing interviews we're hiring and I sat down with them. I'll say it was classified as a millennial person and the first question was like how many days can I work from work? There you go.

And this was rude to me. What are my vacation? Like what are the benefits? What are the hours? It was extremely rude of me but I just got up and walked out of the interview. You're done. No, because I was done.

I'm like this is not happening. Like I don't know what you're here to, you want to work. You want to work. No, Tim, Tim Grover came on our podcast. he's like a coach for LeBron James and Michael Jordan. He said, people come to interview him and he says, what can you bring to the table? And they say, I'm a hard worker.

And he's like, what the fuck are you talking about? That's a given that you're a hard worker. That should not be a way you describe yourself. That's like when someone describes themselves as a nice person, like, then you're not a nice person. No one should have to say that about themselves. If you're calling yourself a nice person, you're a dick. I think that's great advice. I'm sorry, I don't want me an asshole.

I'm just telling me there's a huge difference. And also one other thing, last thing, and I probably. I'm going to hand it over like you have no idea who that person knows so before you're going to get on your your high horse and be like fuck you you don't talk to me like that like we were staying at the addition in Miami right my girlfriend goes downstairs they have a bowling alley she the reservations at 8 o'clock they want her ID she's 33 she's like are you are you serious you want my ID and they're like yep sorry she's like I won't drink can we just come in we have a reservation for the lane no I get a text baby can you bring my ID down I mean the shower so by the

the time I get the text and I come all the way down to the bowling alley it's like 817 right so I'm like here's your ID whatever I bring my ID then the other kid is like oh sorry the land's no longer available and I looked at this kid and I go kid sure you fucking want to do this I swear because I was like because I know like everybody in you know what I mean like up the the rank and I just I was like are you positive you want to go down this road And he thought about it, good for him. And he was like, wait a second, hold on, I might have a mistake with the room number. And it's like, to prove a point that like you get more flies with honey, like I tip the kids

$100 extra on top of their 18% service charge. And it's like, I have the guy from the addition on my phone, like, when can we talk about your stay? And it's like, think. Like, don't get caught up in your fucking ego because you fuck with the wrong person and they're going to crush you. Just treat everyone equal. Like, chill.

with the ego. Yeah. Set it aside. It's a fucking bowling alley. What do you care? What point are you trying to prove? I love it. Go ahead.

No, I have my composition notebook out. Okay, your turn. Fucking kid and a fucking bowling alley. I feel like I got to shake you. I had like sweaty palms. I was like, oh. Damn it.

I love it. Michael's balls are sweating. Jesus. I think, I mean, mine basically goes right off of Jillings. You know, at D.P. Hugh. You know, the DPU House that we have here, we have, it's all millennials that work there for me.

So it's like a young, good looking, fun staff. I love everyone that works for me. But it is that thing. It's just the questions are, what time is the day over? You know, what's asked? Nobody's ever- How many vacation days? Vacation days, like, all that kind of stuff.

And we just had it. You know, we had HR fly in and they, we had a whole meeting and everyone's questions where, you know, what are my exact hours? And do I have to post, you know, we're such a social media-driven business. Do we have to post posts on our days? off and it's like fuck yeah you do it's like haven't you guys ever traveling you're like on vacation you see someone working next to the pool on their computer like people work on their day oh my god vacation you know and it's like and if you don't i get if you want a nine to five job it's like

cool you know work at a certain type of place but it's like i just feel like millennial they don't realize that you have to put in so much more work when i was a first and assistant i used to assist my colorist that i worked for you know all day long doing all of her business whatever and then i would stay at the salon until one in the morning like hustling my own stuff you know It's like, and that's how I got to be where I'm at. And I feel like social media really messes up a lot of people and really makeup artists and hairdressers because they see these people who have these big followings. They do all these celebrities.

And they're like, I want to go into it to do the celebrities. And they want to bypass like all the stuff. Yeah, they want to jump right to it. And it doesn't happen. You have to put in so much work to get it. Or when a blogger comes to me and says, how do I make money? Yeah. Yes.

Yeah. It's like a dime for three years. Totally. It's just, it's exactly that. It's like you, yeah. But the thing is it's going to, it's, going to weed out these people. I mean, I think it's going to be a really rude awakening at some point. I wonder where it goes, because millennials are a huge-ass generation.

I'll tell you, though. It's because, one, entrepreneurship right now at this day and age is glorified and glamorized, right? Because people think it's easy. And two, people look at social and they say, oh, that person must not be worried. Oh, that's easy. And so they think it's easier than it is. And people think they have the ability not to check out and take out. But it's not. But people need to remember that the Instagram story is five minutes of someone's day. Exactly. No one's filming me when I'm on my computer or, you know what I mean? People will say that to me all the time.

Like, oh, you have the funest life. Like, it's so easy, whatever. I'm like, but do you notice that I don't post an Insta story from basically like 9 a.m. till 7 p.m. Because, like, those are the hours where I'm not even on my phone, you know? Yep. But it's like, but I know that Instagram, it's a tool for me. First of all, I want to have a lot of fun with it.

But then also, if I'm going to post something, I want to make people laugh or I want to entertain or I want to share a part of my life or I want to educate, you know, with hair or whatever. but it's like I don't know the entrepreneur stuff I think everyone's like I want to be an entrepreneur I want to be a one boss not very many people can be their own boss I wish I could have sometimes I wish that someone

could see like all the dark moments that I'm sure oh my god there's a million I've been through a lot with Jill sued left and right yes pulling scoot in and having her give all these

my life is 90% turmoil and problem solving Yeah. Like, I wake up every day. Yeah. As soon as I get in this office. All day long. As soon as I walk in.

It's not like, hey, everything's great. The other night, the other night I walked in, I walked in from work and I walked into my boyfriend. I was like almost teary. And he's like, look me. He's like, what's wrong? And I'm like, I just want to go back to fucking doing hair. Like, I just want to work like four days a week. Just have my clients.

And I really don't. Like, I want so much out of my life. And like, I want a really big life. But I got to that point where it's just like, why am I doing all this stuff? Like the nonstop working. I really am working seven days a week. You know, you're constantly answering to everybody. And you get to that point, I'm like, why am I doing it?

And so what my point is, I have a really, I work hard. I know that the more you put in, you get out or whatever. But for these people who are even asking about hours, I'm like, you're not going to go anywhere. If you have the audacity to ask for an extraordinary life, you have to put in the time and work. Totally. That's just how it is. I think it's a misconception, though, of like, you're not going to treat me like this. Like, I remember I did something.

I think it was BuzzFeed and I was with Tone It Up, right? So they wanted us to do some, we were on tour, doing a fitness tour, and they wanted us to do some sort of workout or whatever. And it was boring. And I was like, this is going to be boring. This is like super. So I was kind of like screwing around like, you know, or whatever. And I can't remember, but the kid like, I was like, well, this one's making us do fucking Jane Fonda leg lifts. Like kidding around.

She, and this kid looks at me. She goes, you don't need to be here. And I go, okay, well, be clear you, you actually asked me to be here. I didn't just randomly show up. But I mean, I'm more than happy to leave. And then everybody jumps in. And then, you know, John Carlo pulls her aside. And he's like, you got to be careful with that ego.

Because I know your boss and I know your boss is boss. He goes, I'm going to let it go. And he's hyped up on Lucky Jack. But chill the fuck out. And it's the same thing. It's like, put your ego aside. You're not too good. Like, first of all, and I was kidding with her.

And I was like, and I actually pulled her aside and I was like, I was actually playing with you. And I apologize that you misunderstood it. God, you have to be so. careful nowadays. But you should be really careful with your reactions because he's right. You don't know who. Like table that. Like it's like,

I'm too good for this. I'm too good for. I just think nose to the grindstone, nose to the grindstone, nose to the grindstone, brands repeat, brands repeat every day. There's just in touch on.

There is certain career paths where you can have what you're talking about, just like a chill path. But if you want to have this extraordinary lifestyle and do these extraordinary things, like yeah, you got to fucking work. There's no, ifs and there's no other way.

Not too good for it. It's not like, you have to eat a lot of shit too. I have to eat so much shit all the time. I'm basically eating with a fucking spoon at this point. It's so true. And you have to, I mean, you've got to say it. You got to do it with a smile on your face. You got to humble yourself.

Like, there's so many times I'm in meetings where somebody says something. It does. I'm like, I can feel it. My gut. My anger starts rising. And I have the reaction. Like, when I was a kid, I'm like, nope, got to check it. Got to do it.

Like, even, you know, I'm a young guy still. Like, there's still, even, I've had some success. But there's still. Young guy with a great hairline. There's still a lot of shit that needs to be eaten and that I will. And, like, I'm fine with that. Like, you got to pay your dues. You got to put in the work.

It's diplomacy. Like, you know, gee, if John Carlo is the king of diplomacy, sometimes to the point that I'm like, okay, we've gone too far. You're like fucking Rob Stark and it's the Red Wedding. You know? And it's like, sometimes I'm like, gee, for fuck's sake. But it's amazing how many times that relationship will circle back around. And it's like he didn't make an enemy out of that person and you thank God he didn't.

Because it's easy to. Yeah, I mean, you should have your boundaries, right? You can be able to say no without like putting a stick of dynamite in something or getting some clarification. And yeah, sometimes you eat big shit sandwiches. But it'll pay off down the road. I think that is incredible advice. I want to say thank you to our giveaway winner, Christine. She won a bunch of DB Hugh products.

And she's here and we'll do like a little snap with it. And you guys have to shout out your Instagram. If you guys aren't following them on Instagram, you're missing out on YouTube. I always say that you're the top five people that you hang out with. I also believe you're the top five people of whose content you consume. So I'll be consuming your content every day. Shout out. Pimp yourself out. Tell us where to find you, D.P. Hugh, everything.

So D.P. Hugh's the brand. I'm Justin Anderson on Instagram and then Justin Anderson colors where I post all of my color stuff and tutorials. So if you're a hairdresser, I do daily tutorials on how I do all of my color. I give away all my tips. Nothing's held back. So those are the three. And at D.P. Hugh. Right? At DPU.

I'm just Jillian Michael. No, you have an app. A book. How many books do you have? You got 800 books. Come on. Pimp yourself out. Oh, put myself out.

Okay. Lernerner is Julian Michaels. People fucking lose weight. And then I have an app. We can help you fucking lose weight. You two can pull a yacht on the Amalfi. And I own a coffee company. Apparently we didn't send any to Lauren and Michael.

So we shit the bed there. G's too focused on those fucking Toto toilets I know it Oh my God I loved that story Was that on this podcast where I heard that? Yeah Oh my God

Fuck That's so G2 Such a phony dirty bastard I'm gonna get you the full Lion naturals I'm gonna reach out to the You would love this girl She's her name's Shauna Ryder She's like mom of two young kids

Female Entrepreneur Yeah It's the shit I'll have her send you all her stuff Thank you guys for coming on I'm glad we kept it mellow here today Oh, God. Way to waste our energy thermometer before 12.

I know. I don't have any more to give. I had to go home and take a cold shower. I literally am sweating. I'm like, what is going on? I feel like I'm partying right now. Thank you guys for coming on. Thank you.

Thanks, guys. I hope you guys loved that episode. Make sure you enter the $500 giveaway that we discussed at the beginning of this episode. Also, if you want $10 off, DPU products, go to DPUHU.com and intercode Skinny. Make sure you get the apple cider vinegar dry shampoo. It's so good.

I'm telling you it doesn't leave you feeling all chalky, okay? And then also, Jillian Michaels has extended an offer for you guys on her app. Her app is awesome. You can work out at home. It's called My Fitness by Jillian Michaels, and she's going to do $7.99 a month instead of her normal rate, which is $14.99. So you get 45% off. you have to do is go to Jillian Michaels.com slash skinny. Anyway, roundtables are so fun and we're

going to do tons more. Let us know who you want to see. DM us on Insta at TSC Podcast or just leave it on our latest post. Stay tuned and see you next week.