The Bossticks - Joe Schilling, Professional MMA fighter & Champion On Free Thinking & Fighting For Your Life

Episode Date: October 13, 2020

#300: On this episode we are joined by Joe "Stitch 'em Up" Schilling. Joe is an American professional Muay Thai kickboxer and mixed martial artist who competes for Bellator Kickboxing in the Middleweight division, and in the Middleweight division for Bellator MMA. On today's episode we discuss life as a professional fighter, free thinking, speaking what you believe, and living life on your terms.  To connect with Joe Schilling click HERE To connect with Lauryn Evarts click HERE To connect with Michael Bosstick click HERE Read More on The Skinny Confidential HERE For Detailed Show Notes visit TSCPODCAST.COM To Call the Him & Her Hotline call: 1-833-SKINNYS (754-6697) This episode is brought to you by BLUBlox  Blue light damages our eyes and leads to digital eye strain. Symptoms of digital eye strain are blurred vision, headaches and dry watery eyes. For some this could even cause heightened anxiety, depression, and low energy. Enter BLUBlox. BLUblox was created to change this with high quality lenses for daytime, nighttime and for color therapy exactly in line with the suggested peer reviewed academic literature. Go to www.blublox.com/skinny and enter promo code skinny for 15% off our order and free shipping! This episode is brought to you by Skillshare. Skillshare is an online learning space offering more than 25,000 courses. Join the millions of students already learning on Skillshare today with a special offer just for our listeners: Get two months of Skillshare for free. That's right, Skillshare is offering The Skinny Confidential listeners two months of unlimited access to over 25,000 classes for free. To sign up, go to www.skillshare.com/skinny Produced by Dear Media

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Joe stitch him up shilling. And on this episode, it's a long episode. We talk for a long time. Joe's a good guy. He's a good friend of ours. And we just have a lot of fun. It's just very casual conversation. What does Stitch him up mean?

Stitch him up means he's a guy you don't want to fuck with. Whoa. That's his nickname. I don't have a nickname. Mine's more like Michael pick up a book, Bostic. Joe Michael and I met in Finland when For Sigmaatic and Tarot took us on this wild adventure. And Joe was so quietly confident, but I was so excited to get him on the podcast because I knew he had a lot to say.

And this episode does not disappoint. He is 100% the real deal. He is unapologetically himself. He has his own opinions, thoughts and feelings, and he shares them on this episode. And I like that about someone. You know, it's definitely not boring. He's definitely a unique individual. And, you know, I wanted to point out, I just realized as I was looking at the notes for

this show, this is episode 300. We made it to 300 episodes. You know, I'm not one of those people that, like, does a whole milestone thing. But I was just thinking, like, that's a lot of fucking episodes. And if you think that this thing started as a side hustle out of our living room while we were doing all these other things, it's pretty crazy to think about what it's become. It's so crazy that it's been 300 fights later. Three hundred fights later. We've made it through. Today marked our 300th fight. We just gotten one. What if at 301,

I was like, I fucking had it. It's over. I'm done. I might say that. I might need a break, you know? So anyway, not to hang too long on 300 episodes. I mean, woohoo. We made it 300. Let's get into the fucking show. Who is Joe Stitch him up? Shilling. Joe is an American professional Muay Thai kickboxer and mixed martial artists who competes for Bellator kickboxing in the middle white division and in the middleweight division for Bellator MMA. He's a professional fighter. He's a badass. He's a dad. He's a business owner. He's a very thought-provoking individual. With that, Joe Schilling, welcome to the Skinny Confidential, Him and Her show. This is the Skinny Confidential Him and Her. Are we good, Taylor? Oh, we're good. Okay.

What happened to me is that with this whole COVID thing, like all I want is, nature. I don't want to walk outside. Like today I went on a walk and it's like there's so much construction going on. Someone almost hit me. Ten ambulances ran past me. Like I just need a little bit more chill. Well, you know, like one of our friends was saying like something happened this year in big American cities and especially like maybe LA or New York where like something died, you know, and I don't know if it's coming back. And like the whole reason you come to a place like this is because the city's kind of like you'll you'll spend more on real estate for smaller spaces because like the city is kind of like your right your playground but if like you shut all that down and everyone's

crammed in you're kind of like oh god like the city's really lost a lot of its peel and also that's what i feel about l-a you come here man that's why i came here it was like everything's going on and pop in here and then now it's like we pay a crazy-ass taxes like insane taxes that we pay here you know the cost of living is so high the traffic is insane and now there's bombs everywhere Like even in downtown, they're closing down the jail. Like, I didn't, my gym wasn't in the greatest area, but it just keeps getting worse and worse and worse. And I'm like, why the fuck do I live here?

My kids, I don't want to raise my kids here. Can you imagine the gym that you would open in Austin too? That's what I'm talking about. That would be so cool. It would be sick. You know what? Yeah. You know, I was going to your gym for a little while, but it's far from here.

And then COVID hit and then shut down for a little bit that's open. I got to get back into it because I was having fun there. The testosterone really, it's good. Yeah. Yeah. I liked when you were over the gym. You dug it, huh? I took it.

I dug it. No. And is it your partner or your trainer, Mark? Like, he's, dude, that guy's the man. You look at him and you wouldn't think that he could, he could hurt you, but that guy could fucking hurt you. Oh, yeah. So him and his wife got, they're like super scared of COVID.

He hasn't, he hasn't really left his house since this whole thing started. So I, I wasn't teaching the classes so much like when you were there. I think I ever saw you there. I was there super early, too. It was only time I could get there. Then you definitely didn't see me. So for like the first two months, we were closed down. And then it got to a point where I was like,

we're stacking up this $7,500 rent every month, which is in Texas, it would be like $2,200. That's it. That's a lot of rent. Can you imagine? So three months, you have no income coming in for the business, but now you have $21,000 in debt. And it's like, we have to either open under the table or we're going to go out of business. And also, you basically pay to live here on top of that. So it's probably like in Austin, it would be totally different experience.

Completely different. I think it's a mass exodus of California. I mean, like, people move here because there's opportunity, but if you start taking away that opportunity, like nobody's going to sit there and say, I'm not going to tolerate the traffic. I'm not going to tolerate the expenses. I'm not going to tolerate the taxes.

Because, like, the only reason you're here is because those things justify themselves with opportunity. But if you take that opportunity away and you make it like every other place, then it's like it loses a little bit of its luster. Exactly. And I think we're like a little, I don't know, more level-headed or whatever our vibe is in California. Like we think a little different, I guess.

I don't know how to put that into words, but like when you have Newsom starts talking and he talks for 45 minutes and I can't understand anything that he says. Not one coherent sentence came out of his mouth in the 45 minute conversation you're having. And then there's just like lack of science, lack of, I don't feel like they're in it for our best interest.

Well, this whole thing with COVID, I mean, and you've talked about this, is like what's driven me nuts is we keep talking about like how to try to hide from something, but we don't talk about how to prevent something. Like, it's just like, hide, hide, hide. It's like, the strategy's not working because it's not going anywhere.

Like, this is just like the flu. The flu didn't go anywhere. We had to learn to live with it. We had to learn to adapt. And it's, that's not a strategy that is applicable to the entire country. Like, you can't have some people in, some people out, some people following the rules, some people not. Like, some places open, some places closed.

Like, it's a virus doesn't give a shit. And I've made that point the other day. Some people really liked it. A lot of people liked it. But some people got pissed. And I'm like, this is not a political thing. Like, this is a real thing. Like, if you get the cold, you get the cold.

If you have preexisting conditions, you got to hide out. You got to be careful. But it's not going to where. Yeah. And then the whole thing is like, whoa, everybody gets mad. They're like, whoa, what about my grandmother? You're not going to follow the rules. And then my grandmother's going to get sick and die.

And it's like, your grandmother should stay in her house. Yeah. Your grandmother is at risk. She should be the one to stay home, not the whole rest of us because your grandmother might be. My grandparents didn't leave the house much. Listen, we have a seven-month-old now. And if she got sick or she had the, or we were sick, like, I'm not going to bring her

around my parents. I'm not going to bring her around my grandparents. Like it's just not going to like that's, but I wouldn't bring her around even if COVID didn't if she had the flu, I wouldn't bring around either because they're still at risk. Right. So it's like, I don't know. There's not a lot of common sense here. I want to go back and give the audience some context.

Can you sort of talk to us about when you were little and you knew you wanted to get into fighting? Like do you remember an epiphany that you had or was it a slow build? I was the youngest of three. My older sister is the oldest and then my brother was two years older than me. And my brother was always bigger than me, even though he was like two years older, but he was like, even now he's like way huskier and like bigger than me. And I don't know, we used to always watch like wrestling and rated R movies or whatever, shoot him up, bang bang movies. And we used to always fight, but he would always kick my ass, like always kick my ass. We had a basketball court in our backyard and I can't remember not once playing a basketball game that didn't end with him holding me down and like shoving grass in my mouth.

I think that like stokes some sort of like need to prove myself growing up. And then when I was 14, I was always getting in trouble in school. Well, I read you got kicked out of like four schools or something like that. Is that true? I did. What did you do? I got kicked out of. My first school I kicked out of was St.

Charles, which is like an elementary school that I went to. And it was a Catholic school. I got too many demerits. And it was like, if you didn't do your homework, it was two demerits. If you, then you would have to bring those demerits home and have your parents sign it so they know about it and then I wouldn't do that. So that'd be like two more. And then yeah, it's just the first year that they started giving demurits. It was you weren't allowed to have more than like 23 and I got like 25 and they were like you're going to get up. So then it kicked me out of that school and then I went to my first

public school when I was sixth grade, I think. And by the end of that year, I was same thing. I was just whatever somebody told me to do, I would just do the opposite like I didn't really have. You know it was like mischievous or you just or were you angry? I wasn't even like a bad kid I just didn't I didn't like being told what to do and I just I it's weird now as a parent I know I always thought it was I don't know why but I always thought it was like not cool to do your homework it was not cool to get good grades it was not cool to be a good kid which now looking back just sounds so fucking stupid but my kids are the exact opposite of that and you know your parents are like wait till you have kids are going to be just like you and you're going to see like my mom

was so wrong my kids I think I've raised my my voice at my son like one He's 14. Yeah, they just never wanted to be in trouble. They don't want to be bad kids. And like with me, it was, that was all I wanted to be. I don't know. That's so stupid. No, it makes sense.

I think it's an authority thing. I was a terrible student myself. And it was never that I didn't, that I couldn't apply myself or that I didn't understand is that I just hated being told what to do. And I think like, that's why the school system is not always such a good thing because you get, if you put people in a box and if that box doesn't fit like their mold and they, then, you know, it's not set up for every, for individual success. It's kind of like, you follow these rules, you do these things, and one day you have this, like very...

You were so bad. You were like mooning the principal. Help did that. Yeah, but not like a school bus. Flicking the teachers off. You know, it wasn't like an angry trouble kid. It was more of just like what you're talking about. Like I just didn't want to do things or like, you know, apply myself to certain things.

If I didn't, like, if I wasn't interested in a subject, like, what am I doing here? And like, you know, I look back on it now. Yeah, that's exactly how you are now. But no one, like, thought, like, Michael's a bad kid or like, that guy's got problems. Well, I'm sure, like, probably there's so. Some teachers, you know, like probably some teachers did, but my parents never did. Like, they would bring my dad in all the time, like, yeah, your son is a full mess. And he'd be like, you know, he'd play the point.

Like, okay, I'll take care of it. And he'd just come, give me a talk to it. Like, what are you doing? Like, smack upside the head or whatever. But he never thought that I was like going down a bad path. He was just like, yo, like, you got kind of like, toe the line here a little bit. So when did you know you wanted to actually get into fighting professionally? So I was getting in trouble.

I got kicked out of those schools. And then I got since like an alternative school, which was like all the, in high school, like where all of the surrounding counties sent like their bad kids to this one school. And then it was like a really small school. And it was like metal detectors on the, at the front door. And they would like come in and search us like randomly. Like even then I had like drugs and cigarettes in my pocket at school.

Like I was just dumbass kid. My stepmother, I passed away when I was like 16 and that for whatever reason gave me just full. I don't give a fuck anymore about anything. You're super closer. Then it was like, yeah, we were pretty close. close more probably more close than I was with my dad I think I had daddy issues growing up my dad was like a fall down alcoholic and I always wanted like approval from him my stepmom kind of stepped in

and made my dad play the role I think a lot better than he would have same way she passed away when I was 16 and then that was like yeah fuck it now I'm gonna now I'll smoke her in front of you now I just didn't give a shit anymore I started eating like acid in class when I was this freshman in high school so I would get like five bucks for lunch money and I got it sound horrible mom would give me like five or six bucks or whatever for lunch money and I could buy a hit of acid for five or six bucks and then that would last me you know four or five hours of the day of the six hour school day just be tripping on acid that'd be like tripping in class just like what does acid feel like I've never done it it's like a body buzz and then your perspective on everything you're

seeing is different like visually and like the way that you think about things you know if you're having like a like a positive note if you had like really negative energy or uh really didn't want to be somewhere you took acid or you took like mushrooms or hallucinogen it would like twist your perspective to like oh this isn't so bad or oh you know you focus on other things I guess so you'd be in class like just like tripping balls but totally normal no one would know well and when you're like 15 16 years old you're all like sweaty goofy kids that are awkward and uncomfortable right so you can't really like nobody really notices they're just like oh kids like like spaced out has acne or whatever, right?

So I did that a lot freshman year, and I was smoking weed and just not showing up to class, getting in trouble constantly for not being in class, getting really bad grades. My mom, I think how I got caught. Now at some point my mom started giving me a drug test. Like I would caught, I got caught sneaking out of the house, sneaking back into the house,

and then the next day she took me to get a drug test, and I failed the drug test, and then she was like, at that point, she was like, charge me with unruly. Apparently you can call the cops on your kid. If they're underage and you can have charges brought against them for being an unruly kid. What do they do when you're, like, what can

they do to you when you're a kid like that? They don't put you in the clink, right? No, they put you in like community service and you just start your thing in the system which I think is terrible to do your own child. Well, yeah, because it puts, yeah, but I mean it puts you on the radar of like those type of people. Yeah, right? But in my mom's from my mom's perspective, she was like,

he'll take this more serious. This will be whatever, but it didn't. It didn't So my mom's like, you know, you're fucking up, you're doing all this shit, you're out of control. I'm going to send you to a, like, a rehab center. And she sent me to this outdoor program where we had, like, we were in the ship, like, flew me out to Idaho. And it was like, you'd live off the land. You had to hike 10 miles a day and all this crazy shit for like 21 days. And when you get back from that, most of the kids would go to a boarding school.

My mom didn't want to do that. And I don't think she could afford it at the time, but she still, like, put that over my head. like, you have to find a hobby, and we're going to put you in a boarding school. And I was like, man, I just want to fight. I'm pissed off. I'm angry. Mad about my dad. I'm mad about being in trouble all the time.

I just always wanted to fight. And she took me to a martial arts gym. She worked for the Better Business Bureau. So like Better Business Bureau, if you are a good company, you can sign up and register with them, and then they'll promote you as a good company. So you'd be like, what gyms are good? And they'd be like, oh, this person's a member of the Better Business Bureau. They have excellent reviews, whatever.

So my mom had signed up. a martial arts gym. And she took me to that gym. And the first day I went, I was like, this is the thing. This is the shit. Yeah, this is what I want to do. Because the instructor was like a badass. You could tell all the girls in the class liked him and all the dudes wanted to be like him. I'm like, I'm like, I'm going to be like that good. Hold up. We are going to talk about blue light. Okay, it damages our eyes, which leads to digital eye strain. We are all staring at our phones, our computers, our iPads, whatever. So it's important to find some. It's important to find something that can help with that. It also completely screws up our sleep, our circadian rhythms.

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Go to BlueBlocks today and get free shipping worldwide with 15% off with code skinny. Or go to blueblocks.com slash skinny. That's B-L-U-B-L-O-X.com and use code skinny for 15% off. You know what's weird? Like when we first, you know, maybe it also gives a contact. We met in Finland and then we went with Tara and all those guys are four-sigmatic. And, you know, when you meet your partner, a trainer, Mark, he's an unassuming guy that will kick the shit out of you if you're not careful.

But if you look at you, you're like, okay, this guy will actually, like, kill you if you're not careful. Like, that's the first stop. But, you know, obviously under that, like, you're a very, in my opinion, nice, humble, calm dude. And I wonder, like, do you think fighting maybe took a little bit of that anger away and help channel something? Because it's like, now, like, knowing you, you don't, like, obviously you're a capable

person and everyone's aware of that, but, like, you're not an overly aggressive. agro dude that is like out there saying like I'm like kick your ass and all you know what I mean like I think that's something like maybe fighting help channel uh for sure for sure so mom took me to that gym when I was 15 I think yeah I liked it right away so then I was pretty much grounded from everything else and my mom would like all you're really allowed to do is go to the gym right so I would go to the gym and then I would train or whatever and after a couple months the instructor started being like hey I can't be here at such such day could you help me teach the class and then all of a sudden I was this 15 16 year old kid that I always thought that adults and everybody looked at me as like this bad kid or like the like lesser then

and once I started teaching it was like whether you were a doctor somebody's dad or mechanic whatever they were asking me from my opinion and listening to it and that really hit like struck me like oh shit I'm onto something here you know and then I had my first fight at a bar I wasn't all enough to get into when I was 17. Like it was a professional fight or like a semi-pro fight or it was like you've just gotten to fight? So back in Ohio, you remember that show Tough Man Contest back in the day? So Tough Man Contest was like a, that was like a brand, but there was lots of little

fights like that all over the back east. I don't know if it's still still exists or not. But back, I think now they have athletic commissions that don't allow that. Yeah. Basically what they would do is they would have a bar that wanted to have an event. would put up a ring in the bar, and then they would send out flyers everywhere, and it'd be like,

toughest guy, baddest guy, cops, bouncer, construction workers, anybody can fight. And then all the drunks would go to the bar to see this wild fight. I guess there wasn't a whole lot of people that wanted to sign up for these things.

So when I went, they weren't like checking my ID. It was like, we need anybody. Yeah, and I'm like, here's my 20 bucks, and they're like,

oh, perfect, you know, get on the scale. I fought in a bar. I wasn't all enough to get into. And I won, you know, like I knocked them out

like a body shot in the first round. And then all of a sudden, I'm in this bar, I'm not old enough to get into. All these girls think I'm a badass. All the guys are, it was fucking awesome. And I was like, this is my shit. This is what I'm going to do.

And then that was just, that was that. And how long from there do you start going pro and like actually taking this very seriously? Very seriously. It wasn't until I moved out here. I moved out here when I was 19, so two years later. And it was just that I didn't see myself. I was working at like a gas station in Ohio and everybody that was around.

Nobody had really, where I grew up in Ohio, no offense to the people back home that made right here. This is like if I went, I've been gone 16 years, but if I go back now, I'll still see the same people working at the same bar, the same gas station, and I have kids and whatever. And that just was never my ambition of what I wanted to be, you know. How much strategy goes into fighting? A lot. So there's a lot of like, are you like working on like, like, are you like working on like, are you, you reading like Robert Green books or are you know what I mean like is it is a lot of like mental stuff that you're doing like are you like listening to podcasts and consuming a lot of books or is it more

you're actually in the ring both I do a lot of mental stuff too especially when I was younger so when I moved to L.A. when I was 19 it was like all right I got to just make this happen and nobody back home believed I was going to be able to do it kickboxing wasn't even really that big of a sport here at that time there was a lot of affirmate daily affirmation type stuff and I used to listen to a lot of like Tony Robbins-esque type motivational stuff, you know, cutting edited rocky videos or whatnot and that actually helped me a lot and then once you start to have a little bit of success then all of that doubt starts to go away because like I've been scared, I've pushed myself and something good's happened and then set back, set back,

set back, set back and then I push myself and something good happened and then now I don't really feel. For the guys that get to your level like how much of it do you think is physically ability and mental now. I mean obviously the games just keeps like leveling up a level of it becomes such a big phenomenon, it's a big sport. Like how much of that now when you think when you look back do you think is like mental versus physical? I think it's both but there's definitely like a mental trait that you could be super physical like there's great athletes in the NBA that could never do well in fighting. What do you think the reason is like what do you think is missing from like a mental trait to be able to do this? I think it's a there's a lot of fear involved and I think there's a lot of

stress involved. I think most people don't have any idea how stressful a fight camp is or like if if I told you that in five weeks you're going to be at the ATM and somebody who's going to rob you and there was nothing that you could do about it. You would just constantly obsess over like what am I going to do if he does this? What if he does that? Or how come am I going to prepare for that? And like that mental stress just gets magnified by if you win, you get this much money and then the opportunities keep coming. If you get, if you lose, this is gone and that is gone and nobody's going to like you. And it's just you and some other person in the ring.

It's like a very animalistic thing where it's like, you're like playing basketball. You got a whole team to support you. Right. Like one game doesn't necessarily matter as much as one fight. Right. Maybe that's overgeneralization, but I assume that's true. Like, you know, Lakers go out, they lose a game. It's like, okay, we'll get the next one.

But like you got to lose a fight, like you said, it changes the whole trajectory of what you're doing. Right. I think a loss will cost you a year in fighting. Jesus. What's the most nervous you've ever been before a fight and why? Was it the opponent? Was it because it was a new fight? And you hadn't done it a lot.

I think I don't get nervous like I'm afraid I'm going to get hurt. I get nervous like I'm afraid I'm going to let people down. Like I'm very emotional when it comes to that stuff. Like who? Like your camp? Myself, my team, my kids, my coaches, you know. I feel like there's a lot of the city, the, when I'm, I was fighting kickboxing, I was like the representative of America.

And it was like, but it was a big part of my motivation was to show that there's high-level kickboxers here in the U.S. because we have a terrible reputation worldwide when it comes to that. And I was like the first one to, I was the only American to ever win a global combat tournament of any kind. I was the first W, not the first WBC world champion for America, but I was like definitely the most well-known one. I think my, when I fought Glory 10, which was a huge tournament for me, I was coming.

coming off of, I had lost three fights in a row, two of them were my knockout, and I hadn't fought in a year. And I got put into this tournament, which was like the best top four middleweights in the world. Probably top three. I don't know if I was there yet, but they needed like a token American

to put into that opportunity. And I had so much, so much pressure, but like I wanted that so bad. Like, I could, like, coming up, like, fight week, I could think about it and start crying because I wanted it that bad. Yeah, I won. I won, uh,

I was like a 400 to one underdog and I won $150,000, which I had like 86 cents in my account at the time. We went to the way in. I had to borrow money from my coach to get to the way in. And then when I won, my kids were there. That was like huge. And then after that, the nerves weren't as much because I knew what I was capable of. You know what I mean? And then it was about the balancing act of staying on top, which is also just as difficult.

You know what I mean? Yeah, I don't think people realize like how. stressful that can be. And like obviously you can't relate to it unless you've done it. But if you think about it like I said with, you know, in a business, you have a whole team. In football, basketball, all these things, you have a team. And I know you have a team in fighting and you have a camp. But like, really at the end of the day, you go in the ring and it's you and one other person and you have the whole, you know, whoever's watching whatever, like I'll say the whole world. But a lot of people just sitting there are judging you. Like, I feel like in your sport, there's so many, you know,

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Receive free access to thousands of classes for a limited time. Be one of our first 1,000 to sign up at Skillshare.com slash skinny. Do a lot of people cheat in the ring? Cheat? Yeah. I think steroids is way bigger part of the sport than the average fan realizes. How do they get away with it if they test? I don't know.

Do you have a problem with people taking steroids or no? Or do you think it's like, what's your stance on that? I think that the way it is now is the way it should be. I think it should be, it's got to be a fair playing field for everybody. But like my favorite fights were pride back in the day in Japan where everybody was on steroids. It was like monsters versus monsters. Like I, from a visual perspective, I appreciate that. But as far as I think.

Some of these things are like helping people fight for longer now, right? There's like if you taking, like say like you're an older guy, but you can take something to like extend your career, you know, because I think about fighters, like, what is the average age of a fighter, like where you can actually, before you have to retire? Oh, for sure. Like, definitely fighters are lasting longer now. There's probably a good thing, not just for the sport, but for, you know, if you're doing that professionally, like, it's stressful also to be having a limited period of time like, shit, like, now I'm done. Exactly. True. The downside of that is if one guy is in his prime, so to speak, and then this other guy is taking steroids so that he can last longer,

and then he fucks up your prime and now you're not the same guy anymore that used to be. Because I think that's another big issue is like you see some of these guys have these like phenomenal insane fights that are like they go down in history but then that most of the time

those two fighters aren't the same after that. You know what I mean? It takes a lot out of you emotionally, physically on every kind of aspect of who you are. When you're done with a fight, do you want a blowjob? Do you want a beer? Do you want to go to bed?

like, what's the vibe after the fight? All of the above. All of the above. All of the above. Also, depending if you win or lose. Yeah. Yeah. That's probably true.

What's the worst injury? And I'm sure you could ask this all the time that you've had where you're like, fuck. I blew out my left knee. About seven years ago, I tore my, your, my, tore my MCL, ripped it off the shin bone, which allowed my knee to come out of the socket, was tore my ACL. And then it shifted so hard that it partially took. torn my LCL so you have four tendons in your knees and three of them mine were torn. That one sucked.

I had my, I got, I did a long, long time ago. I fought in this underground kickboxing match and it was kickboxing with MMA gloves. And it was in like a waste management parking lot. I don't know if you guys know about waste management, but it's like pretty much a cover for mob stuff since like forever. Even like the Sopranos, they always said were like waste management, right? So it was a whole bunch of gangsters. and like the thing, I got hit in the jaw

and I couldn't chew for like four months and I had like shoot any time I would if you just like rubbed my face the wrong way I would feel like I was getting stabbed with an ice pick in my ear. That was really that one was probably worse than my knee injury for sure. When you get hurt, do you go straight to the hospital

or do you just try to figure it out? It's usually just figure it out. Oh my God. I have a, I don't know if you can see it. Probably not. There's a scar. No, we can see it. Yeah, the scar right there.

Not the line. Not the line. There's a scar. Yeah. I got hit with an elbow in a Muay Thai fight. Probably. I used to do like a... 2005, maybe.

Little boxing as a kid. Like nothing crazy, but just like, you know, that. And then, you know, when I started going to your gym, when I got introduced to Mutai, I was like, oh, shit, I've never actually had to think about an elbow or a knee or somebody kicking me in the side of the head. And there was literally girls in your gym that were kicking my ass. I was like, holy shit. But that's like, there's levels of this stuff when you start to think about it.

But honestly, I think at some. I think at some point, every guy, girl, should do some type of combat training, even if it's limited because it gives you a different type of confidence and awareness. Absolutely. If I, like, not looking for fights, but knowing how to potentially protect yourself from, you look at what's going on in the world right now with all these crazy people running around and attacking everybody. And like knowing that you could handle yourself in a limited way, it gives you a different type of awareness and a different type of confidence. Because there's so many people you watch it, like they don't know what they're doing at all. and it's honestly it's it's a liability if you're not if you're not able to protect yourself in a limited way i want her to go do something yeah actually this morning one of my students who's not

particularly great he's been training a couple months or whatever i wouldn't say he's ready to fight anybody else of yet but he asked me to he's like do you ever notice that like when you start at the more you learn how to defend yourself the more situations seem to come up that you that you feel like you need to defend yourself and i said what's interesting about that is that the situations aren't changing. You just feel more secure in yourself and you're realizing that guy should get his ass kicked. You know what I mean? So like when you don't feel like you can defend yourself or that you can stand up for yourself,

you let people walk all over you. So you carry yourself different. You're like, you know, I don't fuck that dude. He shouldn't, I shouldn't, you know. But like before that, you were feeling this smallness in yourself that you felt like, oh, I just got to take that. Like, oh, I just got to take that. Like, what a horrible feeling that is for people.

When predators sense that, like shitty predators. Like, you know, you, I think there's certain people you encounter. And even, like, they don't need to be, like, scary-looking people. But you could just look at them and be like, okay, that's somebody you maybe don't want to fuck with. But then there's other people who are like, okay, that person, if they get fucked with, they're just going to be, you know, walked all over. Do you, like, encounter a lot of fights outside of the ring and outside professionally? Like, do people go looking or do they leave you alone? Because they can just tell.

Not really. Drunk people. Sometimes they do it. And I think there's, like, I really can't control it, but I get told all the time that I'm intimidating. I intimidate people all the time. And like, oh, you just look all, I don't know, I'm so intimidated. I'm like, well, it's just my face, you know. But people, like, assume, like, like, like, like,

oh, this guy probably, you know, this is somebody. Well, if you look at, like, also, like, like, if you were to just meet you, that would be one thing. Okay. But if you, like, when we went on the trip, like, okay, who's this guy? I, like, pulped, and there's, like, literally a picture of you, like, drop kicking someone in the head or, like,

bringing your knee up and, like, literally, like, someone's head is, like, across, like, 20 yards away. So, like, that can also. But I get that a lot where people say like I'm intimidating or whatever. I can't really control that. I try not to, but I don't necessarily hate it either. But that same way that some people are feeling intimidated by me when they're drunk and in a public place, they're like, there's something about this guy.

And I don't know what it is, but I want to fuck with him. You know what I mean? Yeah. So I get stuff like that, but most of the time is it's not that big day. What do you do? Like if someone comes up to you and tries to fight you and they're drunk, what's the move? those people are no longer with us learn

I usually try to blow it off you know like it's not something that I'm looking forward to you know I'm definitely not looking for a fight most of the time yeah usually it doesn't take long for them to change their mind speaking yeah I imagine speaking of people fuck with you so I wanted

I wanted to talk to you because I was I've been following your shit a lot this year because obviously there's the craziness of the world that's going on and like we see all these riots and you know protests and there's this cry to defund the police which we haven't talked about on the show, and I'm sure, like, it's going to be polarizing.

But, you know, there's obviously, you know, there's that whole skip by Chris Rock, I think, where it's like bad apples. And, like, I think we all agree there cannot be bad apples in police precincts because you can't, it's not, it's a, it's one of the jobs in this country that, like, they're, you can't, like, you cannot have bad apples, big period, just like, you know, pilots and it's that's what he says. And you started highlighting a lot of police brutality videos, which was like, some of them are actually, like, really hard to stomach because it's just like, terrible what these people are doing.

But then I think, I think your point and tell me if I'm wrong was to point out some of these people that should, you know, be kicked out of their jobs or lose jobs or just be removed. But then it kind of went the other way where it's like defund. And I think we all agree like there needs to be some level of protection in the country, but there also needs to be some level of accountability. I just don't. There's for sure. And back since when I was a kid, I had issues with police that they were doing things

that weren't right because they have this. this like immunity they can get away with whatever they want and i just don't support that in any level like nobody should be able to just do whatever they want and then especially when you have such a such a dominant position over people you know what i mean like you could ruin somebody's life you could take somebody's life so when the whole thing started coming up and it was like oh it's a few bad apples and i was like no bro there's lots of fucking lots of there's lots and lots and lots of bad apples. And then somewhere along this political,

it's this whole year just seems so political and doesn't make any sense. Like you weren't doing it for a political thing. You were doing it to highlight shitty people. Yeah, like shitty people. And I never once said, let's take away all of the funding and make it, you know,

but then now this, and I'm sure I'm not a reason behind that, but now it's like defund and they're shutting down jails and they're letting people out of jails over COVID-19. If COVID-19 was so real and we have to wear a mask, Why don't you give the prisoners masks in jail instead of letting rapists

and child molesters and murderers out on the streets because you're afraid that they're going to catch a cold I'm not that worried about a murderer getting sick in jail you know but now like defining it

and like not so now that's like in New York I heard that there's like a if you call the police and say there's a shootout going on they'll wait an hour to show up

because they don't want to be a part of it and they don't want to get fingers pointed at them or whatever. And then when you defund, if you defund, I take, I don't know,

some large amount of money away from the L.A. sheriff's office, Beverly Hills is still going to have sheriffs. You know what I mean? West Hollywood is going to, it's the poor areas

that are going to serve. The poor areas where the highest amount of crime are, the ones you're taking all of that stuff away from. And, I don't think people have thought it through. I don't think they think about

the repercussions, like, defund the police, you fund the police. But then you start doing that. And if you get, like you said, You leave the rich areas.

They're fine. Nobody's getting defunded there. The poorer areas are going to suffer more crime and there's nobody to help and nobody to respond. And I actually, like, maybe I'll get control for this, but I actually think it's the opposite. You need to fund more and get proper training and teach people how to do it. And there should be stricter regulations to get people into a badge. I mean, like, how, like, I imagine, like, the average police officer, they come up against a guy like you or somebody that wants to do them harm. Like, they probably have very little actual combat training to be able to defend.

somebody off, like we should teach them how to, like, if you were, if you needed to apprehend somebody, you could probably do it in a way where you wouldn't have to bash their skull or hurt them really bad. You could probably just, you know, detain them pretty easily. Right. And I think that if you're going to be a police officer, you should know how to do that type of thing. You should also be psych evaluated to see like, is this guy, somebody or girl, somebody that can handle the pressure of the job? Because it is one of the hardest jobs in the world, in my opinion. 100%. 100%. Like you should be able, you should have to test for it to see, is there something special about you. Do you have a special

quality that we can benefit from? Do you have a fucking weird ass quality that we don't want anything? Were you the guy that was picked on in high school and you're getting his job? Just because you want some power, because you have home issues or whatever. And I think that's what a lot of the stuff is.

But the other thing is like, instead of taking away all the money, the simplest answer is they need to be accountability. There's no immunity. You shoot somebody. I think everybody that kills somebody, whether you're a cop or not, should be brought up on murder charges. You should go to court. And then if it's self-defense, it's a real quick case. You know what I mean? And if it's not, then hey, you fucked up and you murdered this

person. You know what I mean? Not, oh, well, he's a cop, so it's all good. Have you actually seen, you kind of mentioned a little bit, have you actually seen police brutality in front of you? I haven't seen police brutality per se in front of me. When I was, I have a couple stories. When I was, I think 14, I had a paper route when I was a kid. And I would have like this big giant sack on the front and on the back and I filled up with papers. And I had it like on once a week or whatever. I had a roller blade around the neighborhood and throw papers on door. Remember going up to this one house in a cul-de-sac.

And I, as I was skating, there was one house on the back of the cul-de-sac where I actually had it. It was an old person's house. So I had to go up on the driveway, go to the front door. drop it on their doorstep and then come back everyone else just got one thrown in their driveway and as i was going up onto that the driveway there was a pickup truck and it was like this crank like long scragly-haired looking dude and he looked at me and we like our eyes met and it gave me like this weird ass weird vibe you know and i go out drop the paper and as i'm coming off the skating back off the driveway he like i like see him again and he's like oh hey and he yells at me and i like

freaked out and I started like skating away and then I hear the truck like zoom up behind me and I went like full panic mode and I like ran through somebody's grass and went to their front door and the guy pulls pulls the truck up and he's like hey I'm Chris I'm your landscaper your mom sent me to come pick you up come get in the car and I was like no bro you got the wrong guy I was like I live right here actually he's like no no I know where you live I'm Chris I'm your landscaper you got to get in the car with me your mom once me to come get you and I was like no bro you got the wrong guy so I start banging on the door and I was like mom mom you know and the guy drives away and I go home called I was like freaked out

I go to my old were you 14 right 13 14 so when that I skate to my friend's house which was on the way back to my house because I'm kind of freaked out right now it's like every is this truck and it come around the corner you know and tell my friends about it and then we all like posse up and then go back to my house and call the cops right and the cops come give the statement, whatever. Two days later, I get I get called down to the principal's office from school. Go down to the principal

and there's a cop there. Officer Maynard, by the way. He's like, oh, you know, we're going to take you to the police station. You're going to help us with our investigation or whatever. I'm like, cool. I'm like, you talked to my parents.

Like, yeah, we called your mom. She said it was fine. As soon as we get to the police station, they like lock me in a room and throw the little note pad on the table. And it's like, we know you're fucking lying. you piece of shit, you fucking tell us the truth. Blah, blah, blah.

You went to your friend's house. What was really going on? And for like two hours, they interrogated me, and I'm only 14 years old. Call me a piece of shit. Telling me all this stuff. We're going to file charges against your parents, you motherfucker, like, just all in my shit. And to where I'm, like, almost in tears. And I'm like, you fucking assholes.

Like, this really fucking happened. Fuck you. I want my parents. Call my fucking dad right now. Fuck you. And they take me back to the school or whatever. Turns out, like four months later, they catch the guy. his name is Chris.

He is a landscaper or whatever. And he only got like six months probation or something. So what was he doing? He was trying to pick up young kids. He was trying. He did some other kid too. And the same thing happened. The kid got away and called the cops on him.

So because he never actually touched me or got me into the car, it was only like child enticement and not child abduction. So he only did like six months probation or some bullshit like that. But that was like first scenario of like cops being fucking assholes. What to the point? Like when you were a young kid. like that and that happens you lose like how can you trust them again you can't that's that's the problem right so then a couple years later my sister my older sister she's like four years older than me

she was dating a guy whose mom was married like remarried to a cop and they were at like a christmas party and the cop the guy whatever his name was who happened to be a cop they got drunk and he like beat the shit out of it like broke her nose like beat the shit out of her and my sister was there and witnessed it and my sister is like very much like like like outspoken, like heal the world. I'm gonna get him, you know, kind of guy. So she, like, calls the police and files a report. She files a report at his police station.

So she gets called in to give her statement. Same thing, lock her in the room, slap the drink out of her hand. You fucking bitch, we know you're making this shit up. Motherfucker, all this crap. And the case gets thrown out of court. That's two times that happened. What was the third one?

My brother got pulled over in L.A. Probably like four years ago or something. It was driving my sister's car. and they had expired tags or something. And like the cops kept calling him a Pisa and like slammed him on the, slammed him on the hood of the car and they arrested him for having like expired plates

or some shit and like smash the cuffs on it. Like just dickhead shit, you know? I think like that's like the problem is is I think like what, there's two sides of it. There's like you empathize with the person who's actually a good cop and gets into it for the right reasons

and like risk their life all the time to do the right thing. And I think that there's a high amount of police officers that are that person. But then you get these shitheads that get in there too. And I think it all has to do with the way the system set up and the way the vetting process set up. And so when you start saying things like defund, where my head goes is one, there's going to be less protection.

It's probably going to open the doors for worse people, going to be worse qualifications. And you think about like if you're somebody that's thought about getting into that line and work your whole life and you're excited about it and now you see the world's hating on this profession and is looking at it. like these are the shittiest people in the world. Like I think what it does is it takes the people that could potentially be the good candidates and the good people will say, fuck this. I'm not going to go into that line of work.

And it opens the floodgates for worse people. And I don't think people are thinking about it in that way. So like, like listen, police aren't going anywhere. Like they're going to, they have to exist in society. They exist in every society. But if we don't figure out a way to one, hold people accountable that shouldn't be police and two, create a system that entices the right people to go into that line of work like we're going to be in a whole world of shit right 100% okay so there's another one so my son

this is probably three years ago so he was probably like first grade maybe so my son comes home from school and I'm like what's up jack how was school then he's like oh you know this girl keeps bothered me and like oh yeah what she do he's like we were standing in line and she like grabbed my wiener and I was like I don't think he said a weiner he said something else I remember what he called it but it was something else but he's like grab my dick whatever And I was like, what do you mean? Like, what do you mean? And he's like, I was standing in line.

She like turned around. She's like grabbed it. And I was like, like, she was trying to hurt you or, and he's like, yeah, it hurts. She's like, dad, she like grabbed it hard. And I'm like, what the fuck is this? I tell his mom, me, hey, you need to talk to the teacher at school. Like, I don't know what the fuck's going on here, but like, this isn't cool, right? Imagine Joe showing up when you're the teacher at school.

I'd be like, fuck. Well, I almost did. So I almost did. So she talks to the teacher. She tells the teacher what's going on. It's like, hey, not a huge deal, but like, could you say something? She's like, oh, I'm making a statement to the class about people keeping them hands to themselves or whatnot. Like, cool.

No big deal. Whatever. You thought at the time as little kids. Yeah, they are little kids. They're like little kids. By the only he's like first grade. Yeah. How do you like six or seven there?

Yeah, something. Little. Like, it's not like he has a huge dick to grab that. You know what I mean? It's like, whatever. So she like tells them, it's like, oh, we're going to make a statement of class. problem. Then a couple days later, now I'm asking him.

Like, hey, did you go to school? How was cool? You know, did so and so nice thing? He's like, no, she did it again. And I'm like, are you sure? Like, what's going on here? Like, what happened? He's like, I'm standing in line. She's always fucking with people and she like, fucking grabbed me hard.

I was like, what did you do? And he's like, I just told her like, ow, stop. And I'm like, fuck. As like a parent, which is kind of cool because it was like my first time. I was like a parent being in any type of situation like this so it was kind of like you got to wrap your brain around it you don't want to react emotionally or whatever and so I'm like all right this is a problem because this is the first time my son's ever come to me in an uncomfortable situation talking about sexual whatever right

it's like I need to this is a big deal and then he came to me we went to the teacher and she told us she was going to take care of it's not being taken care of and these people are just watching my kid six hours a day. You know what I mean? So the mom went and talked to the, the teacher again, or I think the principal. And the principal, no, I went and I left a message. I went to talk to the principal and the principal wasn't there that day. And I left a note. I had the, I couldn't even write. I was mad. So I had the assistant. Principal was probably hiding out of the desk. Yeah, the principal. The assistant principal, I expressed vocally my concern for the situation.

I'm sure they love that. And she said she would for sure have her call me back. So she calls me back and she leaves me a message and says, yeah, I read your thing. I understand what's going on. We're going to have a school resource officer come and talk to Jackson tomorrow. No fucking way. You're going to have. So this is what hell this goes.

Nowadays. What's a resource officer? Fucking cops in schools is what they have now. Okay. These have, they have cops in schools. So they call them resource officers, but they're dressed up like fucking cops with guns and badges or whatever. This kid's seven years old or whatever. My son is already scared of the police. Now I know what everyone's listening is going to think, of course you're scared of police.

All this guy talks about is police brutality, but that's not why he's scared. He's scared of police, and I don't talk about my kid in front of my kids, but he's scared of police because when you're six years old, every time you see on the news, anytime you see a cop on a TV show, they're always arresting you. You're always getting in trouble. There's never like good stories about cops anymore. There's any time in any TV show, it's like a bad cop or whatever it's not the winslow's anymore right car and there's not no starski and hutch yeah when i was a kid like the police would drive by and they like wave for you wave to you give you candy and shit and like now it's like you ask a cop at at chapate at chapolte for the time and he's like oh he's like

bad santa i'm all my fucking lunch break you know so i was like i called her and i was like i'm not okay with you having a cop interview my six-year-old son about this little girl grabbing his dick I was like, that's not, I was like, I'm not okay with that. She's like, well, we're going to do it tomorrow. And I'm like, so you're saying that whether I give you permission or not, you're still going to talk to my son without me being present. She's like, yeah, and I was like, okay, my son's not going to your school anymore. And I pulled the son out.

Come to find out that little girl's dad is a cop. How does that go? Dad's going to feel embarrassment about what's going on with his daughter. So they're going to put it on my little half black kid. You know what I mean? It's going to be this big, fucking ugly thing. Now my son, the one time that he, came to his dad about something that was bothering him about his balls.

I've been some girl grabbing his balls. Now he gets in trouble and gets scared by the police. He's never going to come to me and talk to me about anything like that again. Where did she learn to do that? Exactly. Where did she learn to do that? But that would be another thing that would go back toward the family and be embarrassing toward this cop family.

That is a gnarly story. Narnly fucking story, right? And that's how easily these people would put. your kid in a situation or like the police having no accountability to like what they're doing you know what I mean so I pulled him out of that school we didn't go back yeah I don't know what the I don't know what the answer is it's like we've gotten to this place where I think like what I think this whole year to me and like this rant I did the other day about COVID and like I think the whole thing is there cannot be exceptions to rules right like if you're going if if we're going to all live under

one rule of law that has to be the rule of law applies to everybody equally right if you're going to if you're going to put COVID mandates in place, then it has to be equal. Everybody has to follow. If not, then like it can't exist. And I think this, we've gotten to this place in the world where like there's exceptions to the rule based on who you are, where you're from, what you do. Like, you're connected. People of power. Yeah. And it's in and that like that breaks the whole system. So like, I think we can all agree like if like one thing I said the other day about COVID, like sure, lockdowns could have worked if we all followed and the whole country followed. But the fact is, it's like, we didn't. And to bitch and moan and cry about what some people did and some people

didn't is a waste of time because like the strategy did not work and it's probably because we're set up in a free country where people have choice to do what they want so to sit here and posture and say okay we're going to keep things closed some things are essential some are not some people can some people can go in some people can't some like riots are okay but going to the beach is not like that it doesn't work and it's just a common sense thing it's not a political thing same thing with police well like Gavin Gavin Newsom's kids like my kids aren't allowed to go to school right now so my kids aren't allowed to have to see their friends to to interact to have like a normal fucking uh life experiences right now which is the whole thing nobody's talking about what's how it's affecting

children bro dude it's so bad it's so bad like all summer my kids weren't allowed to play with his friends wasn't allowed to go anywhere and then he goes back to school and he's it's in a on a screen and there's like 30 kids in the and the screen you don't get to like talk to him back and forward like the interaction falling down hurting your knee meeting a girl getting your heart broke all of that shit not happening this year you know then you think about this gavin newsome his kids are at a private school they're going to school right now his winery open my gym closed but his winery open you know and these are the people that are creating this because there's no accountability and they can just do whatever they want and it's based off of no science right you're saying that the

lockdown didn't work well there's like uh 77 NFL players false positives they're like based it off these like the numbers well we have all these new cases yeah but the deaths are going down oh but we're having all these new cases but you're having all these bad these bad tests you know it's just it's become like so first it was like very shocking to me like oh my god we're in like a lockdown scenario like it's a pandemic what the hell and then the more you pay attention they're more like this is two plus two is not three you know all of the like that doesn't make sense that doesn't make sense that doesn't make sense and it's like more things on us they open your stuff up and then you close your you know what's really sad about it think of how many

people's parents or relatives have died in hospitals not from COVID-19 or maybe with COVID-19 and none of their their family was able to go see them they like died alone like my grandparents both my all my grandparents passed away and every time one of my grandparents was in the hospital go in one of us was there with them to make sure these nurses were being nice to them one of us was they're with them to make them feel better. If they're religious, we brought in a priest to make them feel better before they go off into the afterlife or whatever. How many people didn't get any of that stuff and were just alone and scared in a hospital

and died because of a cold? It's also heartbreaking to be pregnant right now because part of being pregnant is you bring your significant other in and you get to watch the ultrasound and then when you have the baby, you obviously want your friends and family to come see. can't even imagine having a baby and you can't even have anyone in the hospital. I mean, there's so many layers. Even one of my girlfriends is kids is going to school. So it's in San Diego and she's going to school.

And she said that this school separates all 30 of the kids. They make the kids social distance six feet from everyone. You cannot talk to anyone. You cannot touch anyone. During lunch, you have to sit completely away from each other on different sides of the playground. her son came home. He's like eight years old, bawling crying. He says he has to sit and eat his lunch in a little tiny cubby by and stuff.

It's really, it's a lot of ramifications. It's awful. And then if we're going off of like any sort of common sense, since the only thing that has not changed since day one is that no children have been at risk of this at all whatsoever. And we're taking away their school, their ability to like develop their like basic development. We're taking away.

Yeah. Our pediatrician was like basically. to go out because obviously we have a young kid and we're like trying to figure out in the beginning like hey how scary is this for the child and he's like listen it's not even a rounding air of how little this affects children of a certain age and so we're like okay and then even for people like us like and here's the argument oh you guys are young you don't give a fuck about other people you're going to get them sick and they're like that's the argument but my whole thing is like okay so you want to you want to stop the entire world to protect people that are already at risk

I understand the sentiment, but it doesn't work because the strategies don't actually apply to real life. Like, there's people still. What's the difference of going to a grocery store or going to an office? Like, we're all in there. We're all touching the same thing. We're on a plane the other day. Here's a good example. And listen, these planes, they don't give a fuck.

They're packing these things to the brim because they need to make that revenue. There was 300 people on the plane. We got on this plane, just a commercial flight. No problem with commercial flight on. You're wearing the mask the whole time. We're also going to go, okay, wear the mask, the whole. whole time, sit next to all these people. You can take it off, though, to eat or drink. I'm like, okay, fine. So I'm just, you just sit there and eat or drink the whole time. It's off.

And then when you get off the plane, they're yelling at you. They're like social distance. I'm like, we've been on the fucking plane together for the last three hours sitting next to each other elbow to elbow. What is the, what's the difference now? Or what about this one? It's like a South Park episode. You have to wear a mask when you stand up in a restaurant. Okay, fine. No problem. When you walk into the restaurant. When you walk into the restaurant. And when you get up to go to the bathroom. But you sit down. You get handed the menu by the hostess, hostess leaves. Then you get the bread basket from the busser.

And then you get your drink order and the bartender takes the ice, puts it in, puts the garnish, hands it to the waiter. The waiter comes, drops it off, takes your food order that he gets from the chef. There's a bunch of chef, you know, in the kitchen. Then the expediter comes out and drops your food. It, like you said, it's not add, it doesn't add up. It doesn't make sense. You're in so much interaction with everyone, but then you have to wear a mask. I think people live in a make-believe world where they think the virus chooses to go to certain places and chooses not to.

I'm like, bro, it doesn't give a shit. It's a virus. It goes anywhere. Do you know how many people die, Michael? A year of diarrhea in this country. No, but I'm sure you're going to tell me. How many? 1.4 million.

Of diarrhea. Diary. I missed that pandemic. 1.4 million. We better all start, you know. Taylor, you better be careful. Diarrhea. Taylor,

diarrhea. Taylor's a, he's at risk for diarrhea. He's got the, I just think that. Well, it's not a funny thing, but this is what I can't stand is like, and there's a million other stats like that that I'm sure you can find.

And like I think the CDC just released that like of all the deaths they've reported. And listen, it's the CDC, whatever. But they reported that they could only actually attribute 9,000 deaths to solely COVID deaths, right? And so you're starting to think, like, listen, we have a population of what, 300 plus million people? how many of the people are going to get mad they here's the thing there's a quote and I can't remember

it I posted but like people want to believe things and they want to attach himself to causes and they want to believe in a media narrative and I've said from the beginning and listen I've actually had media people write in and said I like that I'm a dick for saying this but like I think the media has done a terrible service to the the mainstream media has done a terrible service to this country that you're freaking people out scaring people there's been no narrative on how to boost your immune system and how to actually guard yourself against them like this it's all been about hiding oh you're fucked shut down i think it's it just spread fear fear fear people forget these are huge businesses they're selling shit like that i'm sorry it's true 100% there's not that

doesn't mean there's bad that all journalists are bad it just means like these are massive enterprises that are trying to get ratings right exactly if they were if they were a writer for any other talk any other show any any any series their their job would make 30 minute segment that was exciting and fucking whatever right and that's what they're doing in the news and And they don't even care about what they said the day before, you know. It's bullshit. But no real pandemic needs to, why are they incentivizing hospitals, $13,000 to have a case? Of course you're going to have people saying that they have cases when they, you know, false positives or whatever, assuming it's a case.

$36,000 if somebody dies of COVID. So then you got all these people that died of a car accident, oh, but they had COVID. We know this guy that his brother went to get a test and waited in line, we didn't line, we didn't line. and said, fuck it, I'm not going to do this and left. He opened the mail two weeks later and got a positive test and he never took the test. What's incredible to me is I posted this rant the other day. It's all my Instagram highlights. And I never leave a highlight.

It's the only highlight I have. Where the fuck is my highlight? The reason I put it up there is because there's no baby highlight. Yeah. What? There's no birth to your child. You and your rant. There's a good rant.

It was a good rant. The interesting thing to me was I figured, okay, this is going to split like the audience that I have there. It's a limited audience, but it's going to split and some are going to be really angry and some are going to be happy. I'm not just making this up and I don't have any dog in the fight. Like overwhelmingly and the most messages have actually ever got to my social channel of people quietly saying like, thank you for saying something. I'm so scared to say something like people are attacking. And I'm like, that's very interesting. Like, why would people be scared to voice how they actually think? It's because you get these social justice warriors that go in and attack

them if they go against the mainstream grain. It's like, yes, we all care about lives. But what are not factoring in is like COVID lives are not the only lives affected by this pandemic in this shutdown. Nobody's factoring in what's going on with addicts, what's going on with children, what's going on people that are losing their jobs. Nobody's questioning the emotional instability that's happening across this country, the negative headspace that everybody's in. Nobody's questioning saying like, hey, there's somebody that worked their whole life here and you're going to stress them out so bad now by like you could be following every single fucking rule that people have put in place and still be completely fucked because other people aren't following. And that's my problem.

I'm like those people should have a voice to be on and say hey this is you know like if I want to take a chance I got to take a chance like that's just how it is or like the people that have spent their whole life building a business from scratch you know and then you get you get shut down shut I mean if I if my business was $7,000 a month rent and I didn't pay it and didn't have any money coming in and I still had to pay that lease oh we're gonna you don't have to pay the lease or your rent until until after the thing opens up but now you still owe eight months or was it months we're in right now. Yeah.

How many mom and pop or small time restaurants or even big, big companies are going out of business while the billionaires make all the money. Well, you know, it's funny is like this business here, like if I was being a selfish prick, like we've actually got a benefit, right? Like podcasting gets a benefit. We don't need to be in the office. I can run a remote. Like it's benefited from people jumping out of radio and from satellite and like coming

into this medium. It's benefited from movie productions shutting down and video production. Like this we, I actually directly benefit from a shutdown. But I hate it for the country and I hate it for us. other people because it's hurting the majority of people. Like someone wrote into me the other day that I would never even think about the wedding industry, for example. There's a shitload of people that work in the wedding industry. You don't think about this. That's two years of business destroyed because they shut down everything. They got to move everything. What do those people do? I'll just find a new career.

She was like, oh, they got to pivot and evolve. Yeah. If it was like, if the thing is, this is a manmade like, you know, people like, we're in a recession. The economy's down. The jobs like, unemployment's like of course because people the government is stepping in and forcing people and mandating people to shut down which they should not have the power to do well so many people just only take the mainstream media's information and they don't look at anything else and if you look at anything else you're a conspiracy theorist but there's shit tons of information all over all over the place outside of CNN MSNBC right but like Wuhan was where it all started is having like massive pool parties and they're back to normal like how how is this how is that

even possible. And then a lot of these people that are all on the like, no, we should stay home and we should do all this shit. They're making more money on unemployment than they made their whole life set at their regular jobs if they have regular jobs. So they're of course promoting this and they want to keep going. You're an asshole and you're whatever. But it's like there's so much incentivization toward this shit going on between the media with unemployment, have a buddy in in Ohio that has a sports bar. And a lot of his employees won't come back to work because they're making $600 a week more on unemployment.

But I figured like it would be a split audience. I figured people would be like, you know, fuck this guy saying this, and other people would be excited. But I'm telling you, it was overwhelmingly people that are scared to say something being like, thank you for saying something. I wish more people would talk.

And one thing that I think we can all agree on is when this first happened, you have kids, obviously you're a compassionate person. When this first happened, and we all didn't know what was going on. everybody was scared. Everyone's like, what the fuck is happening? Like, is this going to wipe us out? Like, all of us were on board to say, okay, let's flatten the curve. Let's dig a strategy. Let's band together and make sure that like we can get through this. Everybody was like on board for that.

But then like it got away from that narrative. It got away from, hey, let's learn how to combat this to, hey, this is the new norm that we're just going to accept. And that's something that I'm just not willing to accept. I'm not willing to just say, okay, well, just because, you know, like I'm not willing to just change especially if the facts aren't lining up. Like, I wish the media and the people in power to say, okay, we thought it was one thing. Maybe it wasn't as bad. What would they predict?

Three million deaths or something or millions of, a few million deaths? We didn't, so if you look at it from that lens, we actually did very well if we didn't get anywhere close to what these people thought we were going to be at. And I wish they would have said, okay, like we thought it was X. Turned out it's not. Maybe it's not nearly as bad as we thought it was. Still bad.

Still take precautions. If you want to wear the mask, wear the mask, you want to distance, distance. You feel like you need to shut your business down, shut it down. if you feel like you need to hide, hide. But at the same time, like, hey, it actually wasn't as bad as we thought. And here's some health precautions that you can take to boost your immune system so that you can combat it if you get it. Because it's also not going anywhere anytime soon.

And we may not have a vaccine that's applicable for X amount of years. Nobody's doing that, though. It's fucking crazy. And then you say stuff like, you know, the people in charge. But, like, I don't feel like it's our government in charge. I feel like it's like the media is in charge. Mark Zucker is, like, telling stuff. and and fucking Bill Gates and the who whoever they are who are not our government but they're

part of this government that they're all pushing this ship well while our president is saying like is not on board with this whole thing it's just very very weird what's going on and then the elections coming up and like we have we have like no choices here we have we have we have Trump which everybody hates Trump and then we have a guy who's literally like asleep like literally like the cognitive decline is ridiculous. Here we're going to get into some territory. For sure. Yeah,

I mean, it's a little bit disheartening that these are the two guys that we came up with for the entire country. Come on. Yeah. Come on. It's a little bit, it's a little strange.

And what I really hate about it is you've got to kind of pick a side. And it's like, I wouldn't want to be on either side. Right. With either of them. Right. And that's like, that's the,

you know what I think, I actually think that this is the, this, and it may not be quick, maybe the next 10, 20, 30 years. But the same thing with mainstream media. I think that over the next 10, 15, 20 years, you will see the destruction of the Republican

and Democratic Party. I think that I think they will both be dismantled because I think people are getting fed up. Like, for example, you could be very socially liberal and say, like, I want the government completely out of marriage and choice and all these things. They're like, don't touch that. But you could also say, hey, I also don't want to maybe pay like massive amounts of taxes. The problem is with the way the parties are set up. There's no room to say, okay, like, I can have that perspective.

It's like you got to pick one which is extreme or the other which is extreme and I just don't think people are going to be willing to tolerate that moving forward in the future, especially young people like that, you know, there's so many like of these systems that are not set up for a modern world. And so emotionally based like I don't think politics have ever been so emotionally based before as what's going on now, right? Like the whole black lives matter things. And if you don't if you don't agree with this, then you're a hardcore racist or If you like this person, you're an absolute racist. And then it's like they just compound that with a whole bunch of other shit. It's really crazy times right now. 2020 is not fucking around. It's been a ride.

You know? You talk out a lot and you take a stance on social media, which I appreciate. Thanks. What do you do with backlash? When people come at you, do you write back? Do you block them? Do you ignore it? Like, what's your vibe there?

Sometimes. Most of the time I'll get people that are like, I'll put up like a new CDC whatever says that they fucked up and like people will respond back with no this is because you don't know how to read and blah blah blah blah and most of the time I just block them because I've gone to a point now where it's like if you're not on my side or you're not like you shouldn't even be following me you know what I mean like I'm not I'm not going to go back and forth with you I don't have time to start like a back and forth argument with you it's like okay you believe what you want it's cool you started to send me a

shitty message to fuck you know No one is forcing anyone to follow anyone. It's a choice that I feel like people need to take accountability if they choose to follow someone. I completely agree. It's like if someone doesn't like what I'm doing, all you have to do is press and follow. Yeah. And the other thing is like they have like this, which I guess started with like the whole like thing. You know, they were talking about how social media is really bad for like kids and stuff

because they get so like triggered or like obsessed with the like and the encouragement and the whatever, which I kind of get that. But now they feel like because you followed me, I owe you something, right? And it's like, well, I'm going to unfollow you. I'm like, fucking unfollow me. I didn't ask any of you to follow me. I'm just doing shit and you guys like it or don't like it. You know what I mean?

My favorite thing is when people come and say like I'm triggered by this. Like I'm triggered. You said something that triggered me. I, you posted something that triggered me. You like all of the, I'm like, oh, that's a you fucking problem. Yeah. Imagine like I don't go to your, I don't go into your life and be like, you said something. Like, what do you mean?

If I feel triggered by something, because we all have felt triggered by things, I examine why I feel triggered instead of blaming someone else. I examine why is that bothering me? What is in me, what experience did I have that's making me feel like this? Well, the question is, is like, if somebody's making you feel bad, or if you, like, say you listen to this show and it's like, hey, this makes me feel bad, like, turn it the fuck off. Like, honestly, right now, if you're listening you're pissed, turn it off. I think the last I checked, there was 1.4 million podcasts in existence. I'm sure there's something, there's something for everybody out there. For sure.

But like if you're coming to somebody's page or podcast or you, whatever the hell you're going to, it's because you're finding some enjoyment there or you're wanting to learn. And if you're not, then like, what are you doing? There's a lot of other options. If you're on Instagram, I know you guys know this, but to the world. If you're on Instagram, that feed that you have, you created it. Like you're creating that. Like, I want to see basketball.

I want to see fighting. I want to see big booty black chicks. I want to, you know, whatever it is. if you created this thing that you don't want it anymore just get rid of it but a lot of people now they

especially now with the mental health stuff with all the stuff going on is people need to be heard people want to get their opinion out there so they'll follow people that they know they don't like

their opinion just so they can write negative stupid shitty shit and it's like if you're not mature enough to unfollow me when you don't like it I'm just gonna block you so you don't I'm gonna be the bigger person for you like you don't need to see this

Yeah, but then most of them go create a troll account and come back anyway. Yeah. But like, you know, my block list is fucking astronomical. No, you know my favorite, you know my favorite thing to do? Yeah, blocking is my new thing lately too. If you're an asshole, like, there's no one like forcing you to be on the page. I got a tip for both of you. Have you guys ever heard of the restrict function?

No, what's that? No. You ever heard of restrict? Okay. Oh, yeah, I think I have. But go ahead. I don't block anybody anymore. I restrict them.

And now everyone, now all people that are going to like, what the hell does that mean? Maybe I'm restricted. So restricting means that they can. still follow you and they can still see everything you're doing and they can still comment, but nobody else can see their comments or their engagement but you. And so what I get a, I get a silent little laugh knowing that like someone's restricted and they think they're making a point. Doesn't bother me because I just ignore it. But nobody else can see and engage in them. So it's like you're talking into a vortex and a funnel for nobody. So they write a paragraph just

and nobody can see it. Oh, and they're so pumped and they're like just checking it throughout the daily. Anybody like it. Nobody like it. Nobody can see it. Nobody can see it but me and them. And like you have to click a function that says unrestricted. I don't. I don't. I I think it's one of the best functions that Instagram, because what I do is like, if someone's a troll, I want them to waste more of their time on their wasting time. And you want the follower. And I want the follower. You still want the follower.

I don't want to lose that one. Listen, I've got to run a business here. But no, I just think that's funny because I look about it and kind of like have a silent laugh to myself. I'm like, this person is sitting here wasting so much time. It's not bothering me at all. It's just, you know, I'm going to just continue doing what I'm doing. But nobody can see it. And they're just out there.

it's like watching the media like you're either like a fox person or a CNN person we're all kind of I think in that thing now and it's like how dumb would it be for me to watch one of those networks that I don't agree with and just sit at home and fucking motherfucker

and then go back to the other one and be like oh yeah this is so much better just don't watch that one but the problem is that you're only getting your information from that one but that's what people are doing when they're creating their feed like that you know. I just feel like, and I've said this a lot, I just choose to consume like five people's

content. That's it because or else it becomes too overwhelming. And it has to be people that are bringing good energy. Like I just, I just don't do it. And if you're trolling and you're writing shit on people's Instagram, I feel like that's a waste of time. But that's what, I mean, that's why I appreciate and liked what you did. Like, because listen, I'm somebody that would probably be in the camp of that. And we just talked about on the show that I think like we need to have responsible police precincts and refunding and like open the doors for good cops to come in. You're like, okay, there's obviously things that you need to be aware of here for people like that, you know, should not be in positions of power. And like that's a good thing to get a conversation

started. But like I'm not going there and getting triggered and then like going and like losing my mind. I'm saying, okay, this is good for me to be aware of to have a civil discourse and conversation like this. But I think some like we've gone to a place where people don't want to have conversations anymore. They're like it has to be one way or the other. And they're trying to solve gray area problems with black and white solutions. Like they're either got to be black and white and then obviously race, but like it's either got to be

this solution or that and it's a blanket solution that applies everything. I'm like these are complex problems that apply that that need very heavy conversation and Fapriheim. It just can't be like we either do this or that. It's not how the world works. It's like you do this or that but with that comes these other like I'm

Republican but if I'm Republican I don't like abortion and this and that and whatever like you you You choose one side and you fight for it emotionally, even though half the shit on that side you don't agree with. Instead of going down the line with what you want, or you're making a logical decision about who you want, you know what I mean? They tackle them all this other shit. Well, you can talk about like the homeless for example. So if COVID-19's real, and we all have to shower and bathe and poison, which is what sanitizer is that we're shoving on our hands all day long.

It's poison. We have to do that or we're going to get sick and die. Yet the homeless population is out of fucking control since this whole thing. The only thing that's thriving during this whole pandemic is the billionaires are becoming trillionaires and the homeless are quadruplifying. You'll think about some of the policies that they've done here in California. You know, obviously the homeless problem is a big problem here in California. And we are compassionate, empathetic people that obviously you want to help as many people as you can. But so what California does say, okay, like there's a drug problem here in San Francisco.

Let's create a policy that makes it so that we're not going to prosecute drugs. We're going to create a system where homeless can throw away their needles. In LA, they're going to put a policy in place that says, hey, if they're putting tents or things outside of businesses or houses, it's considered personal property, you can't remove it. And the intention there is to be good, right? Like, I don't think that was a bad. I don't think people would put those policies in place to be bad people. I think the intention's right. But then they don't understand what the ramifications are.

It's more drug use, more homeless problem, more people being put in danger by having, you know, like, for example, I have a friend as a nice, you know, middle class neighbor. hood front yard and there's a bunch of homeless tents set up in front of his front yard. His girl was out and playing in the front yard there was a homeless guy taking a shit in the planner right in front called the cops. Cops said, I can't remove him. The guy's like, well, I'm going to fucking remove him. Cops says, okay, just do it when we're not looking. It's like, these good intentions are, you know, the road to hell is paved with good intentions. And I think like we are seeing ramifications. And it's because people try to take complex issues and solve them with this or that, you know, one or the other solve. And it doesn't work.

These are complex issues. So what's the move there? Does your friend remove him himself? Does he beat him up? Does he drag his tent down the street? Like, what does he do? Well, that's the question, right? If the police can't help you there.

But hypothetically, what do you think he does? What do I think he does? If it was me, I would, I would, he would not be there, right? Yeah. So. I don't think he'd go to your house. I mean, in any way, whether it was physical or not, like his shit and him wouldn't be in front of my house where my kids are.

But now am I a racist or am I a bad person? person, am I, because I'm going against the, the bullshit rule that they made or whatever? You know what I mean? Like, at what point can citizens stand up for what, when the government's not doing that for them correctly? Yes. I mean, that's the whole reason government should be in place. And I think, like, you know, we probably agree.

Like, I don't want the government in all my business. But at the same time, we want basic protections. Where if, look, I don't know the exact solution, but I can tell you that if I had a a front yard for a house that I worked really hard for and my daughter was playing there and there was a homeless person taking a shit in a planner in front of her with a a tent there like I'm not going to allow that if the police aren't going to help me then no it's like okay well I guess like he gets to live there and shit there and she gets to play like that's not going to happen like I'm going to do something my own and like this is where this is where the country's

going to happen and there's going to be certain people that are like I'm not going to tolerate this anymore so if there's riots protests turned into riots turns into destroying people's property and the police aren't going to stop it then citizens do but now citizens stand up and they start protecting it themselves. This is that pivotal point now. This is the media problem. This shit happens. Like now you're,

now you're separating like who's the good and who's the bad here. Yeah. Like if you, I think anybody that's listening, if I said hypothetically, you were sitting in your house and somebody showed up at your house and started throwing shit through your window and trying to burn your property or whatever.

Like, and you knew that nobody was coming to help you. There's nobody you can call, nobody to help you. Do you A, run away and leave it and let it go or do you be stand up for yourself i think it depends the type of person you are but you can't be expected to just do nothing and if you do and imagine then you do something to defend yourself and then the next day people like this person is x y z he's against x y z he hates

it's it's like no it's like there's obviously people within that that don't fall into that category but i think the majority of people like would identify with that message like i wouldn't tolerate that I wouldn't let that happen to my house or my business or my children. Like it's, you know, like we're human beings at the end of the day. I also feel like we're getting to a place where everyone is so sensitive about everything. And it's like, what's that game when we were little with the lights everywhere where we had to like step over the lights and go under the lights and like laser tag or something? Like you don't know where to sort of go because you're worried that people are going to just freak out. I mean, I know as an influencer like you we have to be very, very careful with.

what we say. Well, I think what's happened here with cancel culture, personally, for me, is that we've gone so, like, if everything is cancelable, every action, every, like, everyone's tiptoeing around what to say, not say, you say the wrong thing. If we've gone that far, like, I was going to do an episode called the little cancellers that cried wolf. And what happens is with someone in my position is like, I think about it now. And I'm like, if every single time somebody says something that's, that other people don't agree with and they go and attack and say cancel, what happens is I become numb to it so now I don't know what to pay attention to anymore. Now I actually don't know what's a cancelable offense and what's not. Sure, there's extreme examples, but like I think we've all

gotten to the point where we're desensitized it. So the things we actually should be paying attention saying, hey, that's not okay. We're all ignoring because everybody's in a rut about everything. That's my fear with the whole cancel, all the stuff that's going on right now is if you, if you just go into this, man, there's so many topics I can go with this. I don't even want to go to. But like if you just start canceling everything and you just go off, oh, that offends them, get rid of it. Oh, it offends them, get rid of it. Oh, they need three bathrooms now in my kid's school. You know, now they need three bathrooms or whatever.

And six months a year, three years from now, we're all going to like wake up and be like, what the fuck happened to America? Where the fuck are we? I think it's happening. I think people are like this is getting out of like not everything can be a cancelable offense. I mean, in 2020, like I don't remember the last. I mean, maybe I wasn't paying attention, but I don't remember people being so offended and need in this, this offensive shit being so important.

Like, when I'm pretty sure when I was a kid or when my parents were kids, if you were offended, it was like, get the fuck over it. Like, move on. Don't talk to that person, whatever. But now it's like, I'm offended. This needs to go.

Oh, my God. Oh, my God. And then it's just tattletailing and name calling and like little kid shit is now like huge in this country. Even if everyone that was offended took the energy and put it towards something productive. Anything. Well, think about the places in the world that are like, you know, hard, hard places to live where you don't have basic resources or protection.

You know, you know, there's certain places in the country where like, you know, people are starving to death. You know, people are, you know, they have nothing. And imagine if you sit here and they're like, okay, what are your problems? Like, somebody said something mean to me on the internet and I'm mad about it and I'm triggered. They look at you like, get the fuck over it, man. Like grow up. Right.

And then our media does it. Our news channel does it. Like, can you believe so-and-so said this? And like, aren't you offended too? Let's do a two-hour segment on how we're all fucking upset about it. It's just insane. It's fucking insane. It's a lot of manipulation too.

Lots going on. Yep. So with fighting now, switching gears. Oh, we're going back. Yeah, we're going to fighting. What is your plan? Do you want to do product? Is it to own a bunch of gyms?

Like, are you going to continue to keep fighting? your overall plan? I own a gym now that's going well. I probably open a couple more, maybe. I'm going to keep fighting until... Do the wheels fall off? Yeah, until the wheels fall off. How long do you think?

Like, how long can you actually do it? Depends on if I keep winning, you know? I think it'll show, you know. But I think I could probably get it like four or five years, maybe more. Depends. And maybe move out of L.A. I'm definitely looking to moving out of L.A. I think a lot of people are.

Did COVID trigger that? Not so much COVID, but I think COVID made all of us start to wake up and pay attention. I'm not only getting one's paid more attention to politics this year, like more so than we have this year. I just started seeing that like not just presidential elections, but like on every, all the local levels, the governors, the sheriffs, the, you know, all these other people do a lot of shit and we're not paying attention to it. But I started thinking about why do I live in California? because if you're not in California, it is insanely expensive here for rent, for property,

for taxes, for parking, for, I mean, every, our car, our car registration, like everything is just insanely expensive here. And throughout COVID, I just started paying attention

like, why do I live here? What am I... That's exactly the question I started asking myself. What am I getting out of this? It's the cool place to be. That's exactly the answer that I came up. And I go, whoa,

Right. And then he started thinking like, what's cool about it? Well, it's sure not cool right now. There's no clubs. There's no life. There's no Hollywood's really fucked up right now. I got a lot of shit going on. And then everything shut down. And then it's like, but my rent's still the same and my school district's still the same. And my property tax is still the same. And my, it's like there's a lot of people that are really happy in other states. And I feel like I don't see the attraction so much anymore. You know, it used to be about the water. Like, oh, it was the bees. but when I moved I from Ohio when I was 19 I was like oh I'm gonna be at the beach every day I can't wait I'm fucking just surfing and then I got to Venice Beach and I saw how dirty it was and how freezing cold the water was and like I don't really ever go to the beach here when I go to Mexico or I'm on vacation I'm like beach every day I'd love it here but like California Beach is not it's not it's not a little that for me and like you said like you get such a small piece of property for it's so much money when you could be living more peaceful with a bigger place somewhere else.

And then there's just so much more regulations that we deal with here and like firearms to like pollution, cars. Like I'm big into like cars and building like a kind of a race car type thing. Yeah, like we, there's parts you can't order here. There's like there's guns you can't buy here. There's just all kinds of shit here.

And it's like what, what can I do here? And I'm not, please tell me, what can I do here? It would be one thing if the state was thriving and it was like an example of, you know, a stellar economy, but the state's fucking broke as hell. I mean, we just went through this heat wave. The powers out, people are starting to say, oh, you know, God, here, I'm going to get attacked again, that it's climate control, global warming, all this stuff.

I'm like, or maybe it's just the way that the system set up and maybe it's these windmills and maybe we should look at other alternatives. I don't know, but like, you know, we're in one of the biggest economies in the country and, like, the powers out and there's fires everywhere. Like, those are complex issues once again, but you can't just say, oh, global warming, that's why they can't be the only reason. Well, then, maybe it's some of the policies. Then they have the $600, uh, uh,

EDD or whatever for people that are in pandemic, whatever, unemployment, right? And the first $600 runs out and they tried to do extended for another one. And California is like, oh, no, no, no, we can't afford that. We can't afford to pay the 600. And the president's like, okay, well, about 400. And like, no, no, no, we can't afford it. And they're like, how the fuck can you guys not afford it when we pay so much more in taxes, so much more and parking tickets and bullshit and all the stuff?

Like, what do you guys spend your money on? And they're going to hike taxes again. Yeah, for sure. And then I heard the Newsom's trying to do like a move out tax. Did you hear about this shit? That if you move out of, I don't think they'll be able to pass that. If you move out of California,

that they will still tax you California from California for the next like 10 years. Some astronomical thing. And even if they can't make that. Maybe they should think about incentivizing people to stay. Right. And even if they can't make that work, what kind of motherfucker would even try to attempt to make that work? Who would try to get that bill passed?

And it's like, these are not the people I want to be in charge of. what I'm doing. And if I'm picking teams, Texans seem to like have their shit together, you know. You got property, they got guns, they got money, you know, fucking having a good time. Austin's beautiful. I heard. I mean, it's just been like a complete shit show. And like what, what I hate about it is like it, again, this is my biggest problem is why I don't typically get political on these shows. It's like, it's either one side or the other. And I hate that narrative. It's like, why can't we just have a conversation about what's going on with our power?

what's going on with our police precincts what's going on with the way we're taxed what's going on with the home like they can't there's no conversation and isolated issues it's like well you're either one way or the other it's like that's not how the world works like there's no like if i just said in in my personal relationship with lauren like Lauren i'm either this way or not like she'd be like no you're going to have to figure out how to meet in the middle like that's everything in business and relationships parenting you got to figure out you got to weigh both sides you got to have a logical conversation, you've got to take each thing issue by issue and go through it in a logical way. But when it comes to things that become politicized, it's either you're on this side or that

side. And if you're not on this side, you're a bad guy. If you're on this side, you're a good guy. It's like, it's not how the world works. Or you shouldn't have an opinion at all. You should just give it to them and let them make the decision for you. Yeah, that's, I think it's my problem. To get on a mic and question the status quo. For sure. I think you should be asking questions all day long. My favorite thing is when people like, what do you think? And then you say what you think and they're like well now I fucking hate you because it's like well you why do you care what I think then right you'd either want me to stay neutral you want me to say something but if I question anything that you disagree with now I'm a bad guy like there used to be a there was a time in

this world where you could have a conversation two opposing like there's so many people that come on this show I'm like hey I don't agree with that but I want to have a conversation and see like why did they think that way maybe I'm missing something maybe I can understand their perspective better maybe they've had a different experience and that's the way they came to their thoughts like that's that's how human beings work you know it can't just just be like, hey, you're either this or that. And if you're not this, then I hate you. And I'm not always right.

I'm just very easy to change my mind. And I'm like, oh, shit, yeah, Michael was right. I was wrong. But no one else can do that these days. You know what I mean? Like, that's unimaginable because they're so emotionally invested and triggered in the topic or what they think. And that's a lot of other shit going on now is like a lot of people are getting

or breaking up. A lot of relationships are gotten like destroyed during this COVID thing because I think a lot of people are going through their own mental issues of dealing with all this shit. And then your partner is going through her or his mental issue, but you're so focused on your own crap that's going on before you know it. You're assuming that they think this or whatever. It's like a lot of, I've probably four or five students where they're like completely split. Also to just be in a space with someone, I think a lot of people are realizing they don't even like the person that they're with. Right.

Because they weren't forced to be in the space. and now they are. What are you trying to say? Well, they liked certain parts of it and that was what they got out of their relationship with them because they had this whole other aspect of their life that they were able to conduct and do. And then you take all of that stuff out. And it's like, I mean, obviously I'm like a fitness industry person, but like mental health

and like working out and getting that, that relief or that getting that stress out or whatever and nobody's able to do that no gyms are open nobody's eating healthy nobody's doing any of that they're sitting at home getting wasted unhappy miserable next to their partner it's by far the most and i've only been alive here of 30 plus years but it's by far the most negative i've ever felt the world right it's like for sure there is so much negativity out there where people are just had enough and they don't and that's also contributing we're now in an election year and all these things and we're locked in the house and there's a virus like this if this if there was an armageddon like this is how it starts. People just hate each other. They're so angry. They're so sad. They're so upset.

They're like they're scared. And I think like that's why I've been so outspoken about this lockdown. I'm like, listen, let people take a risk if they want to or not. Let them get back to normal life. Let's see if that clears up some mental. Let's see if it puts a little bit more positivity in the one and gets you like, oh, like a breath for a second. Like breathe in and be like, oh, okay, like we're okay. I have a selfish question that I have to ask you. if you're someone of my size and a girl, what would you recommend that we do for self-defense? Like, you're going to say carry pepper spray,

take a defense class, like what would you do? If you were talking to your daughter. I don't know about for my daughter, but I think that people should learn how to carry firearms and carry firearms right now. That would be my suggestion. I would get like a CCW and learn.

to defend yourself that way. I think that martial arts is obviously a good thing, but I think that's not, it's a scary place right now. You know what I mean? I would get it. Okay. That's probably like a way darker answer. No, I, I asked.

Yeah, I thought you were going to say take a self-defense class. Yeah, I don't think the self-defense class is there. Because like, what am I going to do if there's a huge guy? Yeah. I mean, if Michael wants to do something to you, you're not going to be able to stop it. I don't know. even with self-defense class. No, but it's true.

I mean, listen, I think I've heard, was it you talking, was it you, Rogan talking about it or not? When it's like, if you, you know, you could take a very capable of one, but if you,

like a guy like you, you go and attack, even the most capable of women, like you're a huge guy that can really do some damage. Like, unless you have something that gives you an unfair advantage like that,

like you're not, you're fucked. Like you're not. Yeah, and not even like a big guy. Like, it's the average guy versus a, a equipped girl

is still going to be, it's going to be bigger and stronger. and more aggressive and more angry and more dangerous. You know what I mean? They have, on that instance, they have handguns. I actually just bought one for my son. They have handguns.

They look like guns. They work like guns. It's like a CO2 powered. It has like a clip magazine like guns, but it shoots metal or rubber, hard river balls, 18 shots, shoots me in the face. It's not illegal. You can carry it.

So what about a little girl? Like say there's like a 10-year-old girl going to school. What would you say to that? You obviously can't carry a gun when you're 10. What do you do? Yeah, definitely can't carry a gun. I would talk to, like I do talk to my kids about knowing their surroundings and knowing who they're with and then make them very clear to them how do they speak to people, who do they

not speak to, how do they control their distance and know their surroundings. Again, I'm not a self-defense expert by any means, but I think those are really important right now. Especially with kids, there's a lot of like, you constantly keep hearing all of these stories of these sex trafficking and child trafficking. How is that story in Georgia, not one of the biggest stories in the country right now with 40 children under 40 young children

that were just freed from being abducted? Like how was that not one of, how is that not every? There was like 100 in Michigan and like 150 in Ohio. And there's like, when you talk about the media skewing and not giving information, it's way more important for them to push this, the Black Lives Matter protests slash riots

and the Trump, tweeted something stupid is so much more important than like our children are being abducted and raped. But nobody's talking about that. There's a girl that I follow. Her name is Coco and she is a trafficking survivor and her parents trafficked her from the time she was two to 14 years old. So dark.

And she thought it was normal because obviously it's her parents and she lived a completely normal life. She would go to school. She cheerleading practice, three days would come home and her parents would. sell her at night to police officers, lawyers. These are all her words. Politicians, business politicians. And so when she was 14, she was watching a commercial on TV and she saw an abuse commercial and she realized what was going on and she escaped. And she's now becoming a lawyer for other kids that are being trafficked. And she said that a lot of these little girls, they end up becoming

prostitutes or drug addicts because they don't know. So she's really speaking out against it. But she says she needs protection all the time because and I think that's maybe why the media is not talking about it because it's such a it's such a huge issue when there are powerful people involved with it yeah I think the media is not talking about it because the people that are involved or could be implemented in it are people that are big supplier or funders of these media organizations and of these things they're they're all interconnected and that should be the biggest news that we talk about constantly right now. Instead, we're talking about a cold that kills 9,000 out of 100 billion.

She said she goes, why aren't people marching for the children? Yeah. And then when they did have that in Hollywood, zero coverage, zero coverage of it. None. Well, this is why I think these media, like I've said it on this show, like that I think traditional media channels are going to die because what's going to happen is like, listen, this is a minor media property compared to what we're talking about. But with more and more people getting, like, there's no gatekeeper to a podcast.

There's no gatekeeper to someone like a Joe Rogan or an NPR or a serial or this show. Like there's like there's no like there's no big money that comes in and says you can and can't do this or like, you know, we have to be careful not to piss this person off or that. Like sure, maybe you lose some advertisers and you lose some listeners. But then you gain more. And I think that's the beauty of the internet is a lot of this stuff cannot be hidden anymore. But there's still a segment of the population that goes to mainstream media. And it's like you could not have had the conversation we just had on a mainstream media. You'd go and you'd be screaming on one side.

Somebody else would be screaming on another. It'd be five minutes and then it would go back to something else that's clickpady. Like that's how it happens. I mean, so people can't get the real information. In theory, what you said is true. But like if you did get a big enough falling and you were a massive and you did have

enough eyes on you, there would still probably be those same people that are controlling the media and trying to control it getting at you and making sure that you don't talk about the wrong thing. It's going to be harder though because if you think about like a CNN or a Fox News or an NBC, like there's only so many slots that can. air, right? Like where, you know, like if you're, you know, a Cuomo or Carl Tuckerson or whatever these guys are, like they fight for spots and they fight for prime time because there's only

so many amount of eyes that tune in at specific times. But if you're something like this, like you could be, this show could be going on while a million other shows are going on and people can pick and choose. And so they can get big on their own without being limited to the gatekeepers of what those mainstream media platforms have provided. Does that make sense? And I can watch this whenever I want, you know, this exact episode. You are welcome to come back on the show. I love to come back. I have a question of where he leaves.

I've been waiting. Okay. We know. What? He's like, where is this coming from? He's been jacking off to porn in the back. So he just,

we just got his attention. So earlier you... Wait, wait, wait, wait. First you got to read the, what's the headline of the porn that you're watching here? Oh, it's dark. It's dark. So, okay.

So earlier you mentioned movies. I'm curious. Have you seen in R, which one do you like more? Because you spoke about like underground, some of an underground fight that took place, blood sport or the, or the,

what is it, a kickboxer with Jean-Claught Van Dam, because those are kickboxing, correct? Like, they talk about the Kumete fighting. What do you think of those movies? He was a little quirky. I've seen both movies. Actually, Kickboxer won with Van Dam. It was probably one of the first times

that I realized that kickboxing was an actual sport. It wasn't like a martial art. Because most of that movie is super far-fetched and they're fighting with glass and weird shit. But there were scenes throughout the movie where Van Dam after he was trained would have a fight in a stadium and all of a sudden there's like there's a ring and there's guys with like these multicolored shorts and it's like an actual it's like boxing but they're kicking

it so that was cool blood support was a huge huge part of my childhood too so I guess what's the ruling on a guy like van dam is like he's somebody that's like a serious so funny story yeah that's where my next question was about like say you and your prime band damn and his prime like you worried about van damn room no no if you had to fight one of those early guys to Bruce Lee actually is the same thing. Like you have actors and then you have athletes, right? Like, it's just not the same. Who do you think is the best fighter in history?

The best fighter in history? Well, that's like such a broad. It's a big history. I think Mike Tyson is probably up there. Dude, you've seen that fucking guy lately? Yeah. What the hell's going on there? Lona, have you seen Mike Tyson lately?

No, what does he look like? He's like fully back and scary as hell. Yeah, he dropped like a ton of weight. He's all juiced up. Is he going to fight Roy Jones soon? He's supposed to fight. George Jones. What do you think is Stephen Seagall?

I've heard he's a real clown. Yeah, Stephen Seagal has a really strong reputation of being a, like a quack, like being completely, like, delusional about martial arts and, like, says things like, I never fought in the UFC because my techniques are too dangerous. It would kill people. So you have to, you know, that was my best Steven Seagal impersonation. We talked through his team. But yeah, he seems like a weird up.

There was Joe Rogan was telling a story in one of his podcasts where there was a, a trainer who like choked him out and you like shit himself or something yeah jean labelle i heard that's a story yeah choked joe out no choked uh stevensigal sthen's a gall out okay stevensigal like tried to challenge people i guess back in the 80s or whatever have you and joe ever fought no never he had a not this past time i was on his show but the one the times before that he had he had just uh built his badass studio that he's in now it's just fucking insane there's like a space show not that one in texas but the one he was at here is really really nice and uh it's like a museum there's all these badass artwork and he's got like his cars in there but he has like a nice gym in there too and he has this it's like a pad

on the wall that's like electronics and you hit it and it'll tell you how hard you hit right and so uh we're there and it's like showing it to me so we start kicking it and i'm assuming that i'm gonna kick kick harder than joe rogan not the case so joe he does so joe's like really winding up and just kicking the fuck out of this thing and i'm like frustrated so i'm trying to kick it harder And my kicks looked better, but his were a little heavier. He ends up beat me and ends up on the internet. And he's like, Joe Rogan kicks harder than professional kickbox for Joe Schilling. This last time went on his show, he was like, bro, remember the last time you were hearing kicking that thing?

I was like, yeah, he's like, I tore my fucking meniscus. I haven't been able to do shit ever since. He tore his knee trying to beat me. So I'm putting that out there. I still won. Actually, you know, I'll end this with one thing that again that I wanted to say earlier, that I thought was funny. So when I met Joe, I was picking him up down in the, we're not picking him up, just meeting him down by the, the ballet.

And it was that awkward like handshake, like fist bump, elbow bump thing. Because I didn't know, I was like, is he going to be like,

hold on. For sure made it weird. It's for sure you that made it weird. Yeah. You are so weird. Well, so that's the whole thing is I was like,

okay, like should I do the elbow because everyone's doing that or is it not that big of a deal? And so I should I go for the handshake? He went for the handshake. So then I kind of got thrown off and then I'm thinking, oh shit, he is kind of intimidating.

Is he going to roundhouse kick me now in the head? But no, you make everything fucking weird. man. Michael's like, yeah, Taylor's going to come downstairs and me. I'm like, cool. I wonder if Taylor's a girl.

It's a guy. I don't know. And then I'm walking around the corner and he's like, oh, it's open to Taylor. So I reach to give the hand. He does like the elbow and then we kind of meet with like a hand and then I like patting him on the back. Oh my God.

That's so sorry. Let's go. Is that how you have sex? No, definitely not. It's less awkward. Taylor came on our podcast. Taylor had a really big problem with coming in one minute. So he's come on a lot of sex expert podcasts and learn that edging actually will help solve that.

Edging? Yeah. What's edging? Basically going to the almost to the edge of climax, but not all the way. And then you back it down. Joe is so glad he didn't shake your hand. So what is? There's a reason there's a huge wall between you.

Right. What's your mental thought process when you're having sex and you come in a minute? See, I've tried anything. I've tried anything and everything. Like even if you like look at the wall, You look at the wall or you think of something you trans basically what is it. But like your stroke rate is the same like you're not there's no like you got to switch it up go quicker, slower depending on the heart rate. You got to measure those things your vitalities.

I've never thought about my heart rate. I actually think Joe can help you like you got to like stay calm in that motion like that movement. You know what I mean? Like if it's a minute you got to like slow that. We tried pulling out and doing something else. Oh yeah. Definitely. Oh yeah.

Definitely. Usually always. Yeah. You got to, especially if it's like you have to. He doesn't have time to pull out. It's only a minute. You got to go quick. Yeah,

you trust me. You have to act fast. Three pumps and... I mean, I probably had that problem, maybe three times ever. But not like every single time. Every single time. But you got to learn from that, that's a bad, it's a bad.

You got to get some control down there. And let me tell you what. Girls don't come in a minute. So, I mean... Trust me. I know that, definitely. They're much harder to get on. It's like an appertief at the restaurant.

Like, where the fuck is my appetizer, my entree, and my d'clock. dessert. You got to work on that. Have you tried whiskey? Oh, yeah. That's honestly, like when you drink and you get the whiskey dick, oh yeah, that's the, that is a whole different story.

That, then you don't have to worry about it at all. But then you can't be going around getting shit face all the time. Joe, you're about to go down a huge rabbit hole. Yeah, I don't think you realize. We don't want to get to the story where he's fisting someone on a boat. Whoa. That's on a few episodes back. Whoa.

There's been a lot of stories. So it's a long story short, he's trying. So it's a good thing you didn't shake his hand. He's tried a few different. You gave him a fist. Bob. I had a pat on the bat. See, like, that's the guy that should be quarantined.

Like, that's the guy. We're like, all right. I'm so sorry. I said him down to get you. I didn't even think about that interaction, but. Next time you come on the show, we'll put a mic right here, and he can come on, and you can coach him through. Well, that's what I get for showing up 20 minutes late, and I apologize for that. It's okay.

We relate to. Don't worry. Joe, where can everyone find you? Pimp yourself out. Pimp myself out. Joe underscore Schilling, S-C-H-I-L-L-I-G on the. the Instagrams and I think I have a Twitter. When's the next fight?

I think mid-October. They haven't given me like a date or an opponent yet, but they were like- How's that work now? People can't go right now, right? No, no, we'll be so. And they're doing them on different states. Like, I think they have one, Belator has who I fight for it. They have one in Mohegan's son, which is in Connecticut.

And I'm not sure that they have audience there. It's where they do. They just rely on pay-per-view right now? I think it's not even pay-per-view. It's just a cable, whatever. their cable deal is. I'm not sure how they, I guess sponsors,

TV sponsors and commercials. Does the fighters still get paid the same amount during COVID? Or is it like in, you know, because I imagine they're losing a shitload of revenue if you're losing the live event. But does that impact the fighters?

That just, or does the Bellator or UFC take the hit for that? I think that the, the promotion takes the hit for that on some fights. I think if you're promoting a mega fight, like a Connor McGregor where you're, you're selling out giant arena, that they would probably hold off on that until

because then they're taking a big hit. You know what I mean? But like on the average guys, I think that they, and it might be way wrong, but like I think that Bellator has a deal with their TV station and then they buy a certain amount of time slots

or have Bellator on those time slots because they're going to bring commercial revenue on those times. So I think that's where they're making their money. But where it really hurts is like the small time shows where guys get their experience so they can get to a Belator or UFC. None of those shows are going on because they have no TV deal.

So their only source of income is from sponsors and the event like selling tickets. So if that doesn't happen then nobody's getting better. So even that like stagnates and slows down the sport so to speak. If you ever fight in person again,

I would love to come see it. 100%. Well Joe, I have a feeling we're going to have to restrict a lot of accounts after this one. Yeah? There's going to be a lot of, I'm going to be hitting that restrict button a lot. I saw you on skinny and you motherfucker.

Yeah. I don't think so. I am unfollowing. I am triggered. Open mind. Be open minded and non-judgmental. It's a way better state to live in. Just tell me one thing that we said that wasn't true.

How about that? Just clump with the one thing we said that wasn't true. Listen, you're going to piss off the non-free thinkers here. I don't give a heck. I was almost abducted once as a kid too. Really? When you told that story, I was like, oh my God. flashbacks.

You had a rat tail and you were thin and the nutcracker. No, this wasn't, I'll tell this really quick because it's very short. I was in, I was at UTC Mall in La Jolla. Okay. I was in seventh grade and I had audio shoes, audio as a skate company and they were like a very common black Andrew Reynolds audio skate shoe. And I was in Brookstone, which is like a place you can go and like buy books and massagers, all sorts of thing.

And there was a guy that came up to me and said, hey, I really like those shoes. Those shoes are really rare. They're not. They're very common. he said, hey, do you know that San Diego down there? He goes, if you want to give me those shoes, I own that San Diego and a bunch of other ones, I will take you on a shopping screen there and you can have everything in the store, you can pick everything you want, I just need the shoes.

And I thought it was a strange proposition. So I said, what? Like, what are you talking about? I'm like, yeah, like, if you want to take him right here, we can go right now over the store. He's like, no, no, no, no, no. Meet me in the underground parking lot. Like, it's like a stacked parking structure.

Meet me in the bottom of that. And I want to put the shoes in my car and then we'll walk. back over there. He goes, but I'm not, I can't walk you over there right now and get it. You need to meet me in the parking lot by yourself and give me those shoes. Meet me over there in five minutes. And he was really strange. And then he left and that's the end of the story. Let's make it as quick as your performance.

That guy wanted those shoes. He didn't want the fucking shoes. He wanted me to get close to his car and he was going to try to abduct me. Wow. Fucking strange. There's a lot of weird people in the world. Yeah. Well, you're going to be on the podcast next time Joe comes in.

We're going to, we're going to go through your life. Joe's like, I'm never coming back. No, no. I mean, I feel like maybe we could, I think we could, like, set up like a game plan for your next sexual encounter. I'm all about it. Try to make that workout for you better. Yeah, I feel bad. All right.

All right. Another episode. Thanks for coming on Joe. Come back anytime. All right. Thanks, guys. I really appreciate it. Oh, hello.

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