The Bossticks - Kaitlyn Bristowe - On What Really Happens On Reality TV, What It's Like To Get Engaged On TV, & How To Have A Healthy Break Up

Episode Date: April 23, 2019

#184: On this episode we sit down with former bachelorette and fellow podcaster Kaitlyn Bristowe. This is Kaitlyn's second appearance on this show but the first time was over Skype (in person is way better). On this episode we talk about what really happens on reality TV. We also discuss what it's like to get engaged on live tv while all of America is watching. This episode is a podcast swap! Part 2 will be on Kaitlyn's show this Thursday, April 24th. To connect with Kaitlyn Bristowe click HERE To connect with Lauryn Evarts click HERE To connect with Michael Bosstick click HERE Read More on The Skinny Confidential HERE For Detailed Show Notes visit TSCPODCAST.COM To Call the Him & Her Hotline call: 1-833-SKINNYS (754-6697) This episode is brought to you by THRIVE MARKET. We use Thrive for our online grocery delivery on a weekly basis and we also now get our wine at Thrive! They provide the highest quality products and ingredients delivered straight to our door with unbeatable prices.  Be sure to grab our deal by going to to https://thrivemarket.com/skinny to receive 25% off your first order (Max $20) + free shipping and a 30 day trial. This episode is brought to you by BETABRAND and their Betabrand dress pant yoga pants. To try these pants go to betabrand.com/skinny and receive 20% off your order. Millions of women agree these are the most comfortable pants you'll ever wear to work.  Produced by Dear Media

The following podcast is a dear media production. She's a lifestyle blogger extraordinaire. Fantastic. And he's a serial entrepreneur. A very smart cookie. And now Lauren Everts and Michael Bostic are bringing you along for the ride. Get ready for some major realness. Welcome to the skinny confidential, him and her.

So when we finished and he proposed to me and we got in the limo and all of a sudden there's no cameras. We're like, wait, who are you? Like, it was weird. And we spent three days together just like trying to get to know each other in three days. And then I had to leave to go to the People magazine shoot where it's like, I'm happy. I was leaving. And he goes, wait, what's your phone number? And I was like, oh my gosh, I'm engaged to a guy who doesn't know my phone number.

And then I'm thinking, I'm like, wait, what's your middle name? Like, what's happening? And it's really bizarre because you really don't get to know somebody. We are back. We are live. It's a fresh week. Happy Tuesday, guys. is we have a lot of fun in store for you.

A couple solo episodes coming up trying to convince Michael to do his skincare routine. You've been a little hesitant on that. I just, I want to do it right. I got to do it right. No, Michael, it's taking you too long to wrap your head around it. It's time to pull the trigger. Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, my name is Michael Bossick. Welcome back to the skinny confidential him and her show.

And you are glowing today. I'm glowing today. What's one product that you used today? Just give us one tip. Dr. Dennis vitamin C serum. Okay, one more, one more. I think it was a doctor. It was kind of all Dr. Dennis today.

You didn't use an LMS medicine. I put a mist in your room. I didn't. I used Dr. Dennis. Dr. Dennis is my homeboy. So here's the latest with Michael and I. Michael just bought this bed. I don't even know what to call it.

It's kind of like a grandma, grandpa bed that goes up and down. It's a remote control bed. Now, I don't know how I feel about this. And we're going to discuss it on air because we haven't discussed it. Well, guys, as many of you know, I do still have that company Jetbed. And the company that I partner with and does all my manufacturing also makes amazing beds.

And I don't know. I've been part of them for 10 years. And I didn't even know. I don't know why I haven't got one sooner. Okay. But here's a concern that I actually have that I haven't talked to you about. And I feel like on air is the perfect spot to do it. Do you think sleeping with a bed plugged into the wall is good for you?

No, no. No, you're going to give it a bad rap. And it's not plugged. The bed is not plugged into the wall. There is a base that's plugged in the wall just like your lamp is, just like your TV is, just like your phone charger is. But the mattress is on the thing. No, the mattress is all air in between. There's no spring coals, nothing.

Lauren, let's know what we're talking about here before me. I'm going to look into it, Michael. Hold on. Let me ask you this. Okay. have you slept more comfortably than you have in years? Yes, I have. Okay, and on to the next segment, everybody.

Here we go. I want to tell everyone about this one cool thing that I think everyone needs to try. Okay, for lymphatic drainage, there's two things. If you don't have a remote control bed, here's the tip. First of all, I would try sleeping with a pillow underneath your knees because when your knees are propped up, it's good for blood flow. So I've been doing that with my new bed that my husband. Good for blood flow. Well, I better try that.

Yeah, it's good for the penis. It's good for the... I was vaguely hinting, but you just come out and say it. Yeah. And then another thing I've been doing is with Michael's new contraption. It's always a new fucking contraption. I slightly tilt the bed up, like, for my head, and it really helps with my lymphatic system. I've been looking in the mirror in the morning, and I'm so contoured because everything's been draining down.

Do you know what I mean? I sure do. And it's also propping that bed up, like, that's good for other things. No, it's all, you know what's also? Guys. You know what's also great, Michael? Well, that's great. I took you my surprise on that one and you weren't expecting that.

No, it is good. I mean, I don't want to have to put a pillow underneath you every single time we have sex. But we're, like, we're getting off topic. Here's the best thing about this bed, though. I believe the key to marriage, one of them, this is one of them, is separate bathrooms. It just is. Having the same bathroom, it's too overwhelming. So with the bed, his side can be down and my side can be slightly tilted up from my

lymphatic drainage in my face. And then my knees can be slightly elevated, and you can just sleep flat and be bloated. What if some people don't have two bathrooms? Is one of the people just go out in the sink or what? Well, excuse me, we didn't have two bathrooms for like 10 years, and I was living in hell. And then the key there is go in at separate times. Guys, go in at separate times. We have one of our favorite guests.

We've podcasted together many times. Caitlin Bristow on the show. She's back. She's back. You know, the first time we did this and we talked about it on the show is we were leaving podcasts one. She was joining Podcast One. We did it over Skype. It was kind of awkward. It was a weird cadence. We didn't know what to get into. So it's one of our older, older episodes that's still on there. You can go and let's do it. But then we went on to her show later, after we were off the network, back into the podcast one studios and did her show and we had a really good time. And then this time now,

today, we did another swap. She came on our show. We went on hers and we had a lot of fun. Okay. In this episode, like full disclaimer, I am so hungry. I'm not hungover right now. I actually haven't had a sip of alcohol in like five days, but on this show, this episode, I have never been hungover like this while podcasting. I mean, I was like still drunk. So I don't even know what we said. Well, it's, you know, like her show off the vine, you were kind of. I was off the vine. You were off the vine. Again, another guest. We're getting lucky lately. Another guest that's just super easy to podcast with, super fun, had a great conversation, went a lot of different directions. We're excited to share it with you today. definitely, guys, be sure to listen to us on her podcast so you can hear the rest of the hungover conversation. Well, Michael was sober. I was hungover off Nettie Martini's. For those of you who do not know Caitlin Bristow, she is the master behind Off the Vine podcast. She's an influencer. She has a very, very engaged community, which I have massive respect for. And she was also

at The Bachelorette and on The Bachelor. She's also beautiful. But what's really cool about her is she's just one of those girls that you want to hang out with. You know what I mean? Easy, easy, going, cool, chill. She's like, she's kind of like one of the guys. Guys and girls. I want to hang out there too. Yeah. We did. We did hang out. It's fun. Caitlin Bristow, welcome back to the skinny confidential him and her show. Let's take a quick break to talk about one of my favorite partner's Thrive Market. Okay, I'm going to break down three of my favorite Thrive Market products and tell you why I like each one of them. They're very specific. And I notice that I keep going back. to these three things. Okay, the first thing is Yum Earth candy. You can't go wrong with this. It's

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Great for kids, great for adults. And I also bring this in the car when we're driving from L.A. to San Diego. It's an awesome thing to give your husband if he's complaining about being hungry. The last thing that I've noticed, I keep ordering over and over again, and I've talked about this. But if you guys haven't tried it, it's a great $9 beauty situation, and that's the Aztec Secret Indian Healing Clay. This clay, and I learn this from the Skinny Confidential Facebook group, can go under your armpits as an armpit detox. It can also go on your neck and your face. And what's great about it is you just add like a little bit of apple cider vinegar.

Thrive also has apple cider vinegar so you can just be efficient and get it all together. And you mix it with the clay with a little bit of water and you put it on your face and it just draws out all the toxins. Fab, if you've been traveling or if you live somewhere that's super polluted. Anyways, these are the three things that I'm always getting off Thrive Market. I have a page that's actually curated. I went through and picked out all my favorites so you guys can check out Thrivemarket.com slash Skinny and see all my favorites in one spot. But those are the three things that I highly recommend that you try.

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Enjoy. This is the skinny confidential, him and her. You know what? Everyone should not drink is vodka. Yeah. Okay. I can't. I learned that.

It took me 10 years to learn that, but I learned that. I cannot drink. Quick learner. Yeah. I am not normal on vodka. Like it does something different than the other alcohols. Like, I'm like, I turn it kind of like mean. No, I'm such a dick on vodka. I am such a dick on vodka. That's, that's like, people know that about me. Like, I just can't do it anymore.

I can't do it ever again. I'm never drinking vodka. You know, I feel like it takes you back to a time. Remember like you're in high school or something? It like triggers like some type of, it triggers something from our past. I can't do vodka at all. Who the fuck takes a shot of vodka, though? Like, what kind of creep takes a shot of vodka? What are you a monster? Like, if I'm out with something I do it. Yeah. They offer shots of vodka. I'm like, whoa. You're like, you're either Russian or psycho.

If I'm wearing like a fur situation with one of those hats and I'm in Russia, like I'll stay on theme and do a shot of vodka. But other than that, I'm not doing vodka. You know the emoji? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I won't even do that. I mean, I guess I should introduce the podcast. Yeah.

Oh, hi. We usually just jump into. Do you know, this is your second time on this show. Oh, wait. Am I doing your podcast? Yeah, we're on. Yeah, we're doing this. I'm like trying to find my notes.

I'm like, I thought I was like recording my podcast right now. Oh, this is so much better. Okay. Don't have to stress right now. We all just hop right into it. Sometimes it throws. I was like, yeah, no, that made a lot of sense right there. Okay.

You're a podcast pro though, so I figured we could just throw you right in and we go. No, please throw me in. I did. You throw me in. I love that. We might as well be drinking vodka. Yeah. Well, let's start this off with what are some hangover tips.

Okay. Well, I don't really know because I don't get hungover. I know. Ever? Well, once in a while. How much? you drink. Oh, a lot. Like, you actually have like a bottle of wine and don't get hungover. People think I am a freak of nature because I don't get hung over. Like, I could drink a bottle of

wine and I could get blackout. And in the morning, I'll be like, do to do like, have coffee, go to the gym. Like, it is weird. It's weird. I don't know where it goes. I don't know what happens. I just sleep it off and I'm fine in the morning. If I even look at alcohol these days or smell it, I'm hung over for a week. I don't know how I do it. I keep thinking because everyone's like, oh, it'll come with age. And I'm like, I'm 33. And I say, still don't get hungover. Like, you don't get puffy like me right now? You don't look puffy.

I think. I look so puffy right now. No, you feel puffy. You don't look puffy. You told me ten times I look puffy. Oh. Well, I saw you before you. But he really knows you.

Yeah, I saw before you got all done up. Yeah. It's not good. Well, I think you look great. Thank you. But I'm trying to think of any hangover tips that I have. If you don't get hung over. I know, but what do other people say?

Like, obviously drink water. Advil. That's all I like. McDonald's. McDonald's. Oh, you got a group. That's high risk, high reward, though. Like what I be?

I have to do some disgusting things to get out of my hangover. I got to get some like greasy food. Honestly, I have to drink again. So I don't know if that's like a hangar. Listen, the people that try to go and hopefully there's nobody that has any issues, but the people that try to just go cold turkey the next day and just not have anything to ease out of the hangover, that is you're just creating more work for yourself. I do agree with that.

And I will say, like it's not, I don't, I will get hung over once in a while. And if I do, I do the same thing. I need something greasy. I need to probably have another drink. Beer, Bloody Mary. Yeah, yeah, yeah. A serious nap in the afternoon. You're a wine drinker.

I am a wine drinker. Only wine. No, no. Just not vodka. Not vodka. Everything else except vodka. I feel like Taylor drinks vodka. Like, that's who I feel like drinks vodka.

No, Taylor, our producer, he drinks double old fashions and then passes out in the streets in Hollywood. Oh, that's what? You know what? You should tell that one story of when he passed out in the street and threw up all over himself. What? I wasn't there, Taylor.

He can tell that. another time. But yeah, he's a big double old fashion fan, which is another psychopathic drink. I don't know who needs a double old fashion. I mean, old fashions are already a little stiff as is. Yeah. It's not the move. So, okay, Taylor's laughing in the back. Because he's remembering. He's remembering throwing up on himself. That sucks. So Taylor, we've known since we were 12, just back story. Oh, no way. We've known him since we were 12. And he came to our wedding and decided to get blackout drunk. Amazing. Sounds very on brand for him. him.

Eat a wet enchilada off of my dad's dinner plate with his bare hands. Go on. Wow. Give a wedding speech where he told Lauren that she had a big dick and that he was going to suck it down. No, no, he didn't. Yes, he did.

He said that Lauren has a big 6.5 inch cock. Nope. And by the way, I know because that's how big my cock is. Oh. Those are Taylor's words. The guy behind me. Yeah. Yeah, watch out.

Don't worry. Don't worry. There's a big barrier between you. Yeah. Checking over my shoulders happening. And then there was. A strip club incident Anyways, it was an interesting weekend

I need to hang out with Taylor Oh Taylor's fun Yeah strip club incident He pissed himself on a strip pole It's a whole thing Oh yeah I don't have words Taylor's complex

Don't worry that barrier is pretty thick Does Taylor have a podcast? Taylor why is your mic not hot man I always tell you to have the goddamn mic on Taylor turn your mic on I don't know what's going on back I actually thought about starting my own podcast once But again I honestly just need to do it

And after hearing Michael and Lauren talk about all of the times that you just basically need to do something and start it. I should do it. Yeah. I have a lot of good stories. Yeah, I mean, I just want to hear more. I've got a really good Vegas story that I haven't told. Kate, can you be on, can you like chime in on my, when I record my podcast? Oh, absolutely. Yes. We call them the bare naked cucumber. Oh, yes. You have a weird Vegas story that you haven't told. Taylor, you got 50 more words on this podcast. Okay. The Vegas one's too long. I can't tell it here. Eventually I will though. Is that the time you passed out in the street? Yeah.

Yeah. Okay. All right. I've heard that one. Anyways. Anyways, last time you were on our podcast, I asked you about skin and beauty tips. Yeah, and I was mind blown by that. I was like, what? But do people want to know that stuff? Now I get it. Now I get it because I'm like, oh, people do want to know that stuff. And what, are you asking me again, though?

I want to know all the secrets. No, you tell me. I look disgusting. Let's not. You're a freak. You look, you're the most stunning human. Your skin is insane. I, all I do, I don't drink very much water.

Okay. I, I, uh, minimal water. Yeah, I, I, I don't like water. Um, a lot of wine. Um, and skin suiticles. I love skin suiticles. Okay, me too. I do like vitamin C every morning, a B5 gel, um, uh, H.A.5, something rather, I don't know.

Um, and then a moisturizer and an eye cream. And then at night I do face wash skin suiticles. So does Michael. Well, I don't know about, I probably would like skincyticles, but, um, I must have just do. It has a whole skin care routine. Don't worry about me. You guys are having a moment. No, I can tell.

You do glow. Man, I can just go home happy now. You do have great skin. I was looking at that. I was like, he must have a routine. Well, you know, this one beats a dead horse. And I just, I'm like, okay, I got to do something. Yeah.

Because, you know, you can't live with this one. And then she's just like with a microscope just staring at me. Yeah. I first started dating him. Things were bleak. It was like, it was, I said to him, I was like, we got a lot of work to do. Oh. Well, I don't know. How would you? I didn't know either a few years ago. I didn't even wash my face a few years ago. I was like, I'll just sleep in my makeup. Like, whatever. I always did. Like for... Do you still? No, no, no. I'm like so judgy right now and I slept to my makeup last night. Did you really? Vodka. Oh, vodka. Right, right, right. Vodka will make you sleep. That should be vodka's like, like, billboard. We will make you sleep in your makeup.

I looked over last night and I was like, hmm. I'm like, not tonight. Tonight's not the night No, not the night. You looked over at 1.30 in the morning? Your makeup was streaming down. There was like a side snore going on. I do this thing where I remove my fake drugstore Ardell 113 lashes and like place them strategically on his pillow to just gross him at all.

Oh, amazing. Or like on his like face when he's sleeping. Oh, gross. He loves it. That's actually really funny. I'm going to use that trick. Oh, 100%. That's funny.

100%. I'll tell a really embarrassing story once when I. We love it. This is embarrassing. I was like 20, I don't even remember, young. And I hooked up with this guy. And in the morning, he left, without even saying bye. And I looked over at my pillow and my, like, boob, like, I would fill in my bra with, like,

I called them cookies, like, padding. And they were just, like, sitting on the pillow. And I was like, oh, good Lord, this is a low point for me. But was it just, like, tissue paper? No, that would, would that be better? It was, like, cups. It's a cut. Like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

The first time I ever experienced those, I didn't know. Men don't, we don't get prepared for these things. You look up with someone else other than me? Well, there's two things we don't get prepared for when we were younger, right? When you reach up the back of a girl's head and you like go to like touch their hair and the extent, you get lost in there. You're like, I'm in a trap. Yeah. And then the girls get mad because you're like ripping, you're going to cause balls.

Don't touch me. You know, we don't know. And then also when you go down and there's a chicken cutlet. Yeah. The first time that happened, I had no clue what's going on. Wait, where would be a big deal? Wait, where you're going down to a chicken cutlet? What's funny?

Maybe I, like, went in the side. He's talking about the little gelatinous things. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Jolateness? That's what they look like. What's a gelatinous? They're like little gelatin things that girls stick inside of their hoo-hoes. Oh, wait, down there?

No, no, no, no, not down there. Up there. I think it was like a low-cut shirt, and I was, like, coming in from the side. Why are you even, like, remembering ever hooking up with the other girl. We don't need to get into this story. I was just saying that those things, they can throw you. But the, I wouldn't mind, like, just like. A little tissue?

Taylor, have you ever felt up a girl and felt some tissue in there? No. I haven't, to be honest. I was thinking about it. I'm sure you were. You're back there doing weird shit, buddy. Wait, how did we get on this? I don't know, but I have stuffed my bra when I was in high school, too,

when I got felt up, and there was Kleenex in my bra. Listen, you stuffed that thing anymore, and you're going to pop. Well, now I'm going to pop because I got my own permanent Kleenex, but things were bleak. That's not that bad of a story, though, I feel like. Oh, it's, okay. Whoever invented the push-up bra, you should have his own statue. Really? But it's such false advertisement.

Yeah, but sometimes the, It's nice to look at. Yeah, okay. All right, two more words. We're counting now. You've got two. Make them count. Are you still in Tennessee?

Yeah. How is it? I love it just because I love my house that I bought. I made it like my dream home and it's like my little sanctuary and I love going home to it and I recharge the batteries there. I don't spend a lot of time in Nashville just because I'm traveling so much. But I just find it so weird. I'm like obviously went through a breakup and I'm like my like ex and dog are just like down

the street. they're like very out and about in Nashville and I'm too terrified to see my old dog like I can't handle the thought of running into Tucker on the street hold on I have a hundred questions that would crush me okay what do you guys do with the dog he he won't I can't see the dog that would crush me yeah I can't handle it I'm gonna beat his ass yeah well technically it was his dog first yeah but I was obsessed but you gotta have like a little bit of like visitation rights I feel I wish I could um I guess it would be I don't know if it's like too much to like I'm like just drop them off at the house and like you don't even have to see me like it's it's been the most challenging part for sure of the breakup

which makes me think that the breakup was obviously a right choice if I'm really sad about the dog but yeah I can't handle it it's like keeps me up at night I cry at least five times a week missing Tucker I think if your ex-boyfriend is listening that he should let you see the dog honestly like that's not cool you would freak out no I would cry more nights week if I if Lauren took the dogs from me yeah it's taken me a few months to not cry every night yeah I mean that's fucked up I know but I kind of like I have to you understand it I kind of understand it just because we don't even talk like we don't text we go through other people if we have to deal with anything like we just it wasn't even a messy breakup it was just that we just don't even go there anymore

we just don't talk so it would be weird to like it just make things really complicated do you think one day you'll be able to talk and be on good terms. Yeah. Oh yeah, definitely. So, okay, that's the silver lining. Yeah, but Tucker's going to be 12 soon, and he's a golden retriever, and their lifespan is 10 to 12. You're literally giving me the cold sweats with this vodka hangover. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm actually sweating for you. Yeah. We need to see Tucker. I know. Like, honestly, anyone's listening. Like, we need to, we should do like a campaign on social media that tags them. No, because then that would involve, that would just get too involved back with the X again. and I feel like that's like a door that's closed.

Okay, that's fair enough. Yeah. Do you have any tips for anyone that's going through a breakup? Don't drink vodka. Yeah, don't. That's like the only thing. Like cucumber and mint either. Oh, oh, that.

You think it's better to just clean break it and go and just... I do. Yeah. Yeah. Otherwise, I mean, if you're breaking up for a reason. And if you know it's the right decision, like sometimes you might just need a break. And we did that, but this door has closed. And I think just you have to know.

that moving forward is going to be the best thing for you. Like, you can't look back. Your breakup, too, is so public. I feel like everyone thinks they're entitled to an opinion because of how you guys got together. Yeah, absolutely. And they think, you know, they know from what they see on social media. And, yeah, so it was, I mean, we were having a rough go for like a year before we ended

it. And then the last six months, it was, like, really rough. And then so people don't know that. And then it seems like you break up and then everyone's like, what? Why? really want to dive into why it's it's done that should be you know and then and then people see me moving on and they're like well that was quick and I'm like yeah but was it like we were really on the fence about this relationship for the last year and I was unhappy and I wasn't I didn't I didn't even feel loved

like I didn't I was like yeah this guy does not love me at all that's really difficult though because I think about someone that's in your position right in doing the show and then you have all this pressure from the from the outside world being like okay they have to make it work because they did this thing and it's a like you said like you're in this position where like there's the pressure from like trying to make it work because of external things and then like you're if it was just a normal relationship maybe you would have called it quits earlier i don't know well i think Tucker was kind of the glue to our relationship too for a while there like i just couldn't imagine not having that but yeah i think i think we definitely hung on a little longer than we

we should have just because we did feel that not yeah i guess it was a little pressure we just were like, oh, like, you know, we came off that show. We should really, really try and make it work. But for the last year, it was like, I just didn't feel like he was trying. I feel like that happens to a lot of public people. Yeah. Like they hang on, right? Your community is so engaged.

You and the morning toast, I always say. Taylor Stracker also has an engaged community. There's some people that just have like these engaged communities and you're one of them. Like, what do you, when you're breaking up with someone, you, you're between a rock and a hard place because you're like, you want to share everything that's happening. I know. But at the same time, it's like, where do you draw the line? Before we jump into that, I want to talk about tracking habits.

For a long time on this podcast, I've always said that habits are more important than goals. I don't like restrictive diets. I don't like things where if I know that I'm not going to stick to it for a very long time, that the wheels are going to fall off. So, you know, maybe you're saying, I'm only going to eat this subset of food for this amount of time. What happens is inevitably, you can fall off. And then what happens? You lose all your progress.

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And then, you know, they will hear Sean do a podcast and they'll be like, oh, he loved her so much. And he's, like, so upset. And I just want to go in and be like, actually. But I can't because I'm like, why? You know, like, the door, again, has closed. I don't need to go back and revisit all these terrible things or how why it ended or why it got bad. But it's so hard for me to not just go on my own social media pages and be like, well, this is actually what happened. So don't feel sorry for him.

You need to write a book. Yeah. Honestly, you need to write a book. And I will. I'm really good at telling both sides of the story. I'm very open with like things that I've done wrong. and I'm obviously to blame for things too. Like I wasn't perfect in the relationship.

So I feel like if I wrote a book, I would be, I would try and be as fair as possible. I wouldn't just, it wouldn't just be to slam somebody. And I don't have too many bad things to say, you know. But I feel like I would, I would be able to be vulnerable in a book and say what I did wrong. Here's what you guys should do. What? Okay. This is like a new age thing.

You guys should both write your sides of the story and put it in a book together. I'm like, do I like this idea or do I hate this idea? Lauren creates a lot of problematic situations that we have to walk back. No, honestly, though, that would be such a good book because you would be able to see both sides. That's, everyone would buy it. Interesting. But I just, what if he, I don't know if he'll ever agree with my side and I don't know if I'll ever agree with his side. So I wonder, you know, if I feel like if it was.

I think that's the point, right? It's like you're just having two perspectives. But if my name was on the book, people would be obsessed. What's the stoicism that you read the other day? It's so fitting about how no one thinks they're wrong. Well, basically it was just about like people don't ever do things out of bad. Most people don't do things out of bad intention. They think that they're right.

Right. And so like some people say that was a evil or bad thing to do. But like from their perspective, maybe not. Yeah. You know, I think like you've got to deploy empathy with everybody. That's true. Like I think back and I try and understand where I went wrong and where I can learn from what I did. And I think just at the end of the day, I just didn't feel.

or safe in the relationship. Like I was like, I don't think this guy values me or loves me at the end of this. Like, so I was starting to become like this insecure person that I didn't even know who I was. Like I was getting jealous of like fitness girls because he's so into the fitness world because I was like he probably would leave me in two seconds to go be with someone else. So I think I became really insecure in the relationship.

That's strange. By the way, meeting you in person, you're like the complete opposite of insecure. You're confident. You can tell you're so comfortable in your own skin. Yeah. So that's so interesting to hear. Yeah.

And I was at the beginning, but it was just, I think the whole, the concept of the show, I think, was just really damaging from the beginning of our relationship because I was with other guys. And obviously it was a big thing on my season that I, like, slept with somebody else. And I think that was just kind of a trouble area from the get go. So I don't know if I ever felt safe. And I just continued to let myself get more and more insecure over three and a half years that by the end of it, I was like, this is not me. like who is this person and I want Caitlin back, which I feel like I have back now. Yeah, but good for you for noticing that and having enough self-awareness to see that. I mean, it was like drinking vodka.

It took me a long time to see how damaging it was to me, but I figured it out. Well, a lot of people get sucked down that rabbit hole where they like start to morph into somebody else when they're in a relationship and all of a sudden you look around. You're like, wait, who the fuck am I? That was me. So now you're dating someone new. Yes. And it's good. I'm not sure you don't want to say too much because it's like,

you have to, like I said, you have to have like the line. But again, I'm such an open book with everything that I'm like, yeah, no, it's great. Like, I feel more secure now than not, I mean, I feel secure in myself, which is the most important thing. But I feel safe with, with Jason. Like, to me, he totally values me. He, he, like, pumps my tires. He's my biggest cheerleader. And he's just, like, they just don't make him like Jason anymore.

That's kind of like you. Yeah. Except you weren't my biggest cheerleader last night. Last night there was not a lot to cheer. Yeah, I will say, if I was like on vodka, on vodka, if I was doing vodka, I don't think Jason would be my cheerleader. He'd be like, who is this monster? That's kind of how you were last night. Well, you know.

You remember? No, she doesn't remember. Here in there. I just went upstairs and just like checked out for a while. All I know is I woke up next to my CBD pen and a tahini chocolate chip cookie. Oh. We got these, um, we have these like cameras. in our house.

Yeah. You know, just like for security. Yeah, yeah. And like, like the nest ones. And there's, I was like, I wonder what she looked like

when she came home. I checked it. And she got into that brownie box. You never remember that? Nope. Oh, you have cameras inside your house. Wait,

I have to show you guys something. You, I wouldn't, that's dangerous. Well, we have it only, like, when we're home, you can turn it off. But do you? Yeah.

Oh, okay. You're such a nosy Nelly. Why do you have to look what I'm doing in the middle of night? Because we have it, so it's like facing out, but also inside, like the nest thing. It's so sometimes we have people come in and out when we're not there.

Yeah. And so, like, you just got to be able to see. Okay. I have a camera outside of my, like a doorbell can. Yep. Like a ring or what's it called? Vivint. Vivint.

Okay. Yeah. And so I watched it. I went to a pink concert the other night and had a few glasses of wine and then went honky tonking. And it was so funny because. What's honky talking? What is that?

Oh, it's like on Broadway in Nashville when you, there's like all these honky talk bars where it's like live country music and parties and... I'm going to go to go. You have to. We've never been. You have to. It's the best. And now it's known for two, I'm sure, the Kristen Cavalry show too.

I'm sure so many people want to travel there now that shows out. Yeah. And it's, it's all Bachelorette parties there. So it's like a little bit dangerous to go out because it's all girls who watch the Bachelor. And I feel like they're like on Bachelorette parties looking for like anyone from TV or music stars or reality stars. And so I feel like I was just, I mean, I was partying with so many girls who I didn't know, like taking selfies. I was just on fire.

But my girlfriend and manager, Cleo, as you know, she, I found out she goes into my social media and deletes drunk Instagram stories that I put out. Cleo, are you quiet? Do you want to come work for me? Isn't that great? That's amazing. I know. There's nothing worse than waking up the next morning and posting Instagram story. Oh, is this a video of you coming home?

Oh, man. Oh, wow. That's like me last night. Yeah. I don't even know what I'm doing. And then I'm like, I don't even go inside my house. I just stop and get on my phone. See, Michael, every girl does that.

Yeah. So you're going to have to date Taylor if you don't want that to happen. Oh, man. But then you'll have to deal with a lot of things. He doesn't even make it back to the house. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Can you talk to us about your experience of becoming the bachelorette? Like I, like, and actually like really walk us through what you were feeling when you were told you were going to be the bachelor. Because that's major. I wasn't told I was going to be the bachelorette. I was told. You could be the Bachelorette, but there's another girl that's going to compete with you

and the guys have to choose who's the Bachelorette because there's two girls on my, two Bachelors on my season. But your personality is so amazing. You had to be like, you literally had no clue that it was going to be you. No, because I didn't know who the, I think that it depends on who the guys coming in were. If they want a girl like Britt, then it wouldn't have been me. But if they wanted to, you know, like it just depended on what kind of guys they brought into the show. And I tried to get it in my contract because all the producers were like, it's

going to be you. And I was like, yeah, but you're saying that to Britt, too. And they're like, yeah, we are. And so I tried to get it in my contract. Like, no, Caitlin will be the bachelor. And they're like, yeah, but what if you like get so drunk and throw up everywhere and the guys are disgusted with you and you like are Taylor? Oh. I was like, Taylor, who? I'm so much fun that they would be like, hey, get this guy on right now, sign him a contract. If you were the bachelor, it would be the bachelor, it would be. quagmire. Like I don't

Echwagmire. That's funny. I don't know if you would receive a rose, Taylor. Scotty Chuna came on this show, and Taylor was bragging about how people tell him he looks like Jude Law for like three hours. He's bragging about this. Yeah. And Scotty turned around and said, Taylor, you look like

Quagmire. Oh, no. But I do love Quagmire, but he's lovable. He's like a lovable douche. Not that you are, Taylor, but... I'm not saying Taylor is. I'm saying Quagmire is. But go back to The Bachelorette. How you're feeling.

I want to know when you actually find out. Okay. So I cried for about a week when they told me I was going to have to compete against another woman because I just thought that was so wrong. And I was like going back and forth on if I wanted to do that or not because I just, I couldn't imagine putting like pitting two women together for the men to decide. And Chris Harrison said, who will make a better wife? And I'm like, whoa, take a knee. You could have pulled a Chris. What is it?

Strip T's and push her down the stairs. Oh. Remember, have you seen that movie Strip T's? No, I have not. With that one. And she pushes her down the stairs. Oh, yeah. See, that probably wouldn't have got me the role.

Of course you love the movie Strip T's. Well, now I'm going to go watch it. Zero now, Taylor. Zero. You're down to zero. You're cut off. But yeah, so I was, I finally was like, okay, if it does work out for me, I'll be glad I did it. And so when they said, okay, you're going to be against Britt.

we went into it and I liked Brit and we got along and so that helped because it would have been really bad if they pitted two women against each other that didn't like each other but we we got along we're just two very different people if there if she was another Caitlin I'd be like uh-uh but she's she's quiet and she's more reserved and she you know I so I was like okay if the guys are here for me then I'll be the bachelor right if they're there for her it wasn't meant to be anyways because they aren't my guys so we both had to like you you know, get hair and makeup in different rooms and it was all dramatic. Like, we had to see each other for the first time when we come out of the limo and stand

at the end of that driveway. And I feel like that's supposed to be like your moment as the bachelorette, you know, like you stand on the end of that driveway and all these limos pull up for you. But limos are pulling up and I'm like, well, are they for me? Are they for her? And it was uncomfortable because some guys would get out and go straight to her. And some guys would come to me and we're just like standing there like, it's so awkward. It sounds really awkward.

Yeah, so I was never done that before, right? They did it with bachelors, like, but like season two. Like, I don't even know who those people were. No, no offense to them. I just. How many seasons has there been now? Do we know? There's been, this will be the 15th Bachelorette, and I think there's been 23 bachelors or 24 bachelors now.

Oh, shit. Yeah. What is it like, like being in that experience and having to have all this, these clothes. I mean, I can only imagine someone telling you pack your bags, like what, like the whole process. Well, as a contestant, you have to pack all your bags. but as The Bachelorette, they dress you for everything. That's nice. Yeah.

Yeah, I just brought like comfy clothes and like what I wanted to sleep in. Otherwise, they dress you for everything, which helped me. Because I don't feel like I had any style. Like, I was like, somebody helped me. When I look back, I guess if anybody looked back on four years ago from their experience, they'd be like, what was I wearing? But, I mean, I look back and what was I wearing? I thought you looked so cute.

Isn't that weird when you look back and you look at what you wear? Do you think at the time? Like, this is the coolest shit ever. And every time you, I do that. too. You look back and like, what the hell is I wearing? I thought I was the shit. Like when I met you when you were 12 and you were wearing that striped shirt? Remember, 12? I mean, what are you going back that far? You're like, were you even dressing yourself at 12? I don't think I even bought my own clothes back then. Remember Taylor had a rat tail? Oh no. Do you actually remember that?

I do. But yeah, it's weird. Taylor means a podcast. Because you you think at the time, you're like, man, this is cool. And then you look back and like, oh. That was me. Even looking back to the bachelor when I was getting dressed, like I thought I had the cutest outfits. And it probably, it probably was cute at the time. But looking back, yeah, no, even the dress I picked out for night one. But I'll never forget when Chris Harrison said, like, he sat me down and I thought he was going to be like, Brits, the Bachelorette, because he had this, you can't read Chris Harrison. Like, he's, he's so good. And he sat me down and gave me the look like, Caitlin. I was like, oh, boy, here we go. He's like, you're our bachelorette. And I remember just thinking, is Brit okay? Like, I felt terrible.

That is the most dramatic season yet? Yeah. Well, Colton's was pretty dramatic. I didn't watch Is it good? Do I need to watch? It was good at the end. Like at the beginning, you're kind of like, what's going on? Like, it was, all the girls were like 22, 23, and it just was kind of like a shit show. But by the end, it was really good. Okay, maybe I need to watch. Yeah, I won't tell you what happened then, but. I kind of have seen in my secret Facebook group, kind of who he chose, but I didn't actually watch the whole process.

I feel like I need to. Yeah. What was the most interesting person? what did the most interesting person say when they got out of the limo? Like, is there anything that they said that was like, whoa? This episode's getting pretty spicy. Let's take a quick break to talk about the ultimate dress pants. So I've talked about this before, and this is something that I've tried out for the last

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and he came out and said he wanted to like puck me and gave me a puck. That was pretty funny. I like a good pun. Because when I came out of the limo on Chris Solzies, and he was a farmer and I told him he could plow the fuck out of my field. And I didn't think they were going to air it. I was like, I'll drop, like, I'll drop an F-bomb. They're not going to air that.

And I'm like, I want this guy to know my sense of humor before I walk into that house. And if he's like, yikes, or if he's like, yeah, that girl can hang. So, yeah, that, I mean, so I appreciated a good puck joke. Did you like Chris right away? Yeah, I thought he was so hot. I, like, got out of the limo and I feel like you see somebody on TV and you're like, yeah, okay. And then you see them in a lot of times, well, it goes either way. You're either like, whoa, they're way better looking in person.

And that's how I felt about him. I got a limo. I was like, oh, damn, he's, like, tall and, like, thick. And I used to love a good farmer. Like, I grew up in a very small town in Alberta, Canada, and that was, like, a thing, like, checklist, like, farmer. Hot. Farmer.

I like that. What about Sean? Did you know immediately? Yeah. It was pretty immediate. You knew right away. Well, I hoped. You know, because I don't know.

Like, the whole time, I'm like, this guy could have a girlfriend at home. I don't know. You know, you just, you don't know somebody's life. You just go off what they're telling you. And there's always somebody at home who has a girlfriend or somebody, you know, they can put on an act of who they want to be for you. And so the whole time, I'm like, I hope it's him, but I don't want to tell myself it is it. It is because what if he ends up hurting me in the end? So it was hope.

What about when you're done filming the show and you guys have to go back to real life? What is that like? Yeah, that was weird because you have cameras around you for, you cannot hang out with that person off camera. on during filming. So like you never have the opportunity unless it's the fantasy suite. They just don't let you. They just don't let you. They don't want to miss anything, I guess,

because you can't move further ahead with somebody and then go on camera and it wouldn't make sense to the viewers, I guess. So when we finished and he proposed to me and we got in the limo and all of a sudden there's no cameras, we're like, wait, who are you? Like it was weird. And we spent three days together just like trying to get to know each other in three days and then I had to leave to go to, like, the People magazine shoot where it's like, I'm happy. And I was leaving and he goes, wait, what's your phone number?

And I was like, oh my gosh, I'm engaged to a guy who doesn't know my phone number. And then I'm thinking, I'm like, wait, what's your middle name? Like, what's happening? And it's really bizarre because you really don't get to know somebody. That is weird. Do you lose some of the spark when like all of the cameras and the settings and like all these romantic scenes or is it like? I actually think it's the opposite.

Okay. Yeah. Because people were like, well, what are you going to do when the cameras are gone? And there's no like, extravagant dates. And I'm like, that's what I look forward to. Like, that's when the real magic happens, in my opinion. And tell Michael, because I don't know if he knows this, how, like, something happened on Snapchat.

Were you? Oh, that was bad. I don't know how I didn't get, like, I feel like I would do the same thing. Because there was a, I had a contract. And the contract is, if you break it, it's $5 million. And. Jesus Christ. Yeah, it's just a few bucks.

So, and you're just. I mean, you just sign your life away on this, like, 38-page contract. And so during the middle of the season, reality Steve always spoils The Bachelor of the Bachelorette if you want to go on his site and see. And he always knows somehow. And so he was wrong with my season. And they loved that because it was like the first time in so many seasons where he didn't know the ending.

And he was like, she picks nobody. And I was like, holy shit, he thinks I picked nobody. And so I'm laying in bed with Sean. And we're sending a Snapchat to one of the producers because there's only a handful of people that know we're together. and we're in one of our little secret hideaway houses. And I was really new to Snapchat at the time. So I hit the button at the bottom, which I thought saved the video because I just wanted to save it for the memories.

But it went to my story. And within like two minutes, there was like over 5,000 screenshots. And then it started going around media outlets like Caitlin's in bed with Sean. She obviously picked Sean. And so the producers were, they were filming Bachelor in Paradise at the time. they had to have like overnight meetings like through the middle of the night to try and come up with a way to save the season. And so every interview I did, people were like, so you picked Sean and I'm like, did I? They're like, well, we saw the Snapchat. And I mean, I still think ABC's mad at me.

I still think they hate me for that reason. Because I think they think I did it on purpose, which I did not. What was your reaction when you did that? Yeah. Did your stomach drop out of your ass? Yeah, it really did. Like, I, we just went on like, you know, them were like chatting and then Sean went to go on Twitter and he's scrolling and he was like, oh my God. He's like seeing our faces and it was like not a cute screenshot. And he was like, I did something really bad. And he thought he did it. And so I was like, oh my gosh, what did you do? And he's like, I think I somehow sent the same Snapchat out. And I don't know why he thought it was him. And I was like, you're an idiot. I was like, how could you do that?

And then he saw it was my Snapchat and he goes, it was you. And I go to my Snapchat and I look and it was, this was all in like a few minutes. Yeah, yeah, he was like, mm-mm. And so I look and I was like, oh my gosh, I delete it. And within five minutes, I've got a producer calling me. And I'm like bawling my eyes out thinking I'm going to throw up. I'm like, my life is over. I'm going to get sued $5 million.

Like, what do we do? So we're trying to come up with all these ideas. Because we called Ben, who was third place on my season, and then he went to be the bachelor, the bachelor. We called him. We were going to fly him to our secret house, and I was going to get in bed with him, too, and send out another accidental Snapchat. That's kind of smart.

Yeah, we were thinking of everything. But we decided to just play it like, oh, did you see the Snapchat? Like, then they thought it was like some sort of publicity. Like, you know, they thought. It's probably good for the show. What a weird. It ended up being good for the show. What a weird life.

Now that I'm like, because listen, I'm not necessarily maybe like a viewer. Yeah. I've seen the show, but I've not tuning in every week. But I'm like, you peripheral.

No, no, if it's on, if it's on, I watch it for sure. No, no, no,

I just, I don't watch a lot of TV in general, but if it's on, of course, I watch it. But I'm just thinking like, wow, what a strange life.

Like, did you ever think about, like, do you ever think about that? And be like, this is really weird. Sometimes my brain can't, like,

access those feelings. Like, I can't put myself, I just, it's like I get anxiety if I really go back and think about everything that's happened in my life and like that time. It's kind of like I blacked out during all of that too. Like I think back onto my season and I'm like, I don't really remember stuff. And I don't know if that's like, because it was traumatic for me or so stressful. Think of the story. You're going to tell your kids though. Yeah. I mean, it would have been a lot more romantic if it was kids with Sean, but. Or I mean, I like a plot twist. Let me ask you this. That would be too predictable. How many,

How many of these relationships are, because there's been so many seasons, maybe you know this or don't. Like how many of these relationships actually go on to that like fairy tale ending? Well, it's, you know, it's kind of the same. If you took 10 couples off the street and how many would be successful, it's kind of the same thing as that. Because I think there's out of, I mean, I'm not great at math, but like how many seasons? Maybe 23, maybe 38? Yeah. If you add them all.

If you add them all. And there's, I think, eight successful couples. And they're, like, got kids and a family. And I think that's pretty good. Yeah. I mean, it's a little less. That's about 20%, right? Yeah.

Like, I don't think that's terrible for a reality show like that. No, do they have to propose? Like, does the man have to propose at the end? Or is it not required? You could just be in a relationship. They highly encourage it. Like, that's supposed to be the format of the show. That's...

Do they give this guy a ring? Or does you have to go get the ring? No. Neil Lane comes with a box. and they get to pick up ring. See, that's kind of nice. Did you get to pick the ring that you wanted? Well, okay, here's the other funny thing.

Yes, but I didn't know what I wanted. Like, yeah, it's like, what, four weeks or like, how long is the actual filming like start? Nine weeks. Okay, nine weeks. So two and a half months. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, which is a long time.

But I have never in my life been the girl to think about like, oh, I want this diamond ring and I want this cut and I need this clarity. Like I don't know anything about that. I still don't. And so when they asked me, they're like, okay, so what ring do you want him to pick out for you? And I was like, I don't know, a nice one, like a big one. I don't know.

I don't know any of this stuff. And so they're like, you're the first bachelorette we've ever had that doesn't know exactly what you want. I'm exactly with you. I've never liked to look at my wedding dress. No, never. You know what I said? I said, I don't care what ring you get me.

Just make sure it flatters my finger. Because everyone's finger's different. I don't think you can pick a ring until it needs to flutter the finger. Yeah, that's a good point. That's a good point. I should have to hear about anything else. This is probably why you won because you're cool. Oh.

Well, thank you. Well, did I win? Oh, I don't know if you want. I think you won. Now you have someone that you're absolutely, I don't want to say in love,

but I don't know. We're very happy. Okay. You have someone you're very happy with you. I think you won and your podcast is fucking killing it. Yeah. No, I feel like I'm very grateful and happy with where I'm at in life.

And I do feel like, I mean, if you want to say win, yeah, I definitely won. You won. Yeah, I won. Let's end this with. your favorite book podcast resource for audience. Favorite book? Anything.

Just let's say. Okay. Just something you're going to do right now. I just read this book called Then She Was Gone. Have you heard of it? Is that by Wally Lamb? No. Okay.

I can't remember the author right now. I could not put it down. I've never finished a book in a day and I did. Like, I couldn't put it down. I was sad when it was over because it was such a good read. And then she was gone. Yeah. What's kind of the theme?

It's about a girl. This mom and she has three kids and one of her, like her youngest daughter goes missing and it's about like over 10 years what happened and her trying to figure it out and then she does that sounds really good i think that yeah it's it's a really good book to read do you really yeah okay then give me a book recommendation because now i'm like i'm give me your the best book you've ever read who've ever have you ever read you'll never make love in this town again um who's that by i don't know i never know the other but it's about love in this town again no it's about hollywood i'm reading you'll never eat lunch in this town again again

which is so random. Maybe it's the same author. I don't know. I think it depends like what type of books you're into. I'm really into everything. Read Janice Dickinson's autobiography, no lifeguard on duty, and message me about it. You will not be able to put that down. That is about Club.

It's not Club. Studio 54, Mick Jagger, you know, Warren Beatty. She gives the deets. Okay. Like if she had a podcast, she needs to. What about Jerry Winthrop's book? Jerry Winthrop's book is so good. He wrote a book called You'll Know I'm Dead when I stopped talking.

I think that's called. But he used to be like Elvis's manager, no manager agent, Frank Sinatra's, John Denver's. And like he was responsible for a lot of things here. He's seen some shit. He's seen some shit and he's cool. He's just like a hard dude. You liked Arnold Schwarzenegger's autobiography as well. Well, Arnold Schwarzenegger's autobiography is one of the best autobiography's all the time.

Well, because if you think about that guy's life, I mean, you actually like eight, like immigrant, eight-time bodybuilding champion, a list actor that like kind of changed the way. Like before it was a bunch of skinny, like good looking. dude then he like created the action star and then becomes the governor marries a Kennedy like right he's just a really smart businessman a good writer but it's just there's a lot in that book that's so interesting where can everyone find you pim yourself out oh okay it's my favorite part of the podcast uh well okay I will say that I want to pimp out my scrunchy line because uh so the Instagram account is at do edit D-E-W E-D-I-T and I'm just like I can't believe the power of a

grunchy like the like I call it the scrunchy gang people the 90s are back and and it's like tell us like a little bit like we need to talk about that before you leave I lost all about the scrunchy. I've always rocked a scrunchy since I was like two to now I always rock scrunchies and people used to make fun of me they'd be like are you really wearing a scrunchy and now I was like I want to start like a scrunchy line because I felt like it really saved my hair I went through a lot of stress on the show and I had bald spots and I lost a lot of hair from stress and I the my hairstylist look and he said, you have alopecia. Like, it was, I lost so much hair from stress and I was clipping in extensions every day and

I was, you know, doing all this crap to my hair to be on TV every day. And who do you relate to? Like, you can't go call someone and like, bitch about it. No one has this unique, interesting experience. Yeah, no. There's no manual for it. Uh-uh. And so I always found that scrunchies were the best thing for my hair because it didn't

rip like an elastic and it just kind of like kept my hair healthy and I just swore by them. And so then I started seeing like Haley Baldwin was like Rocky Moyette. and I'm like, I got to start a scrunchy line. Like, these things are coming back. And so I did. And now I feel like it's not even about like selling a product. Like the women are like coming together on my Instagram page.

And like it's like a community of the scrunchy gang. And it's just so interesting to see how that can like social media can be such a blessing in that way where it's like all these women who are just like yeah, like scrunchies weren't a gang. And now they're all just like supportive of one another and the scrunchy. And like if they see another girl with a scrunchy on a run. wrist, we call it bad bitch energy if you have a scrunchy on your wrist. And they'll look at each other and be like, do, like, is that a do? And they're like, yeah. And then they have this like little sign that they do. That is so cool. Yeah. Everyone in the TSC community needs to get a hot pink one. Yeah. Oh, I've got so many different options. But they sell out so quickly. Like I can't believe

how many people love these scrunchies. Do you know what's funny? This is a good time for scrunchies because if I know about it, it's like I was reading this article and that guy Jason Momoa, the Aquaman, he had a scrunchy on his wrist during like the event. And I saw it. I was like, grunchy and they said it and I was like, this is, you, you got in at a good time because if guys like me know about it, that means it's a- Why don't you wear a scrunchy? Well, I don't have long hair anymore. No, you wear it on your wrist. Hold on. What's your Instagram handle so he can go get a scrunchy? At do edit, but I will. Spell it out just so everyone knows. D-E-W-E-D-I-T, but I'll send you one. Okay. You tell me which color you think of. He will wear it all the time.

What's the color that Jason was wearing? I think he had a pink. It was like a velvet light pink. Yeah. See, I knew about it. I'm plugged in, Lauren. I'm plugged in. You are plugged in. I was so excited when when I saw him wearing a scrunchy on his wrist, I was like, no way. Like, this is my time for the scrunchy. It is. You need to post that on your Instagram. It makes sense, though, because he's got long hair. I don't have long hair.

Well, on the due page, I did. Yeah, I mean, that's major. We were all about it. Yeah. Okay, so at Podcast, where can everyone find you? At Off the Vine podcast, and it's with Podcasts one on Tuesdays and Thursdays. And now I just started a third podcast called drunk dialing on Fridays where I'll like drink and call people and they can call in and just talk about crazy stuff.

Wait, like a separate podcast? Yeah, because I do off the vine. Then I have grape therapy and now I have drunk dialing. Oh my God, I need it on that. Yeah, you can't, you know what? I need to be in. Double old fashions here. Taylor would be really good.

I'm going to bring you in as a guest and we're going to drunk dial people. He is really good. Yeah, I'm really excited for this. Taylor, don't get too excited. We know what happens when you get too excited. I want a scrunchy also because I have long hair. I want to scrunchy. I have long hair.

Oh, Taylor, you can't be poaching our guests. Every time someone says we're going to send you something, Taylor goes, I'd like one. Get in. Get in on it. We were talking to a skin expert. I can't remember which one. We had a sex toy expert. Oh, the sex toy expert.

With every single sex toy, lightsabers, like, what? Deldos, vibrators. And Taylor goes, can I have some? Hey, who doesn't like free stuff? And it was the facelist, too. Remember she's saying, oh, you should come by that hotel and I'll give you guys. I told you zero, dude. I told you zero.

You're out. You're the producer. Are you going to edit yourself out of this? No, he loves. Yeah, right. Those are the only parts he doesn't edit. I'm like, hey, listen, man, I need to edit this, edit this, edit this, and he just, you know, he'll never edit himself. That's hilarious.

That's funny. Thank you so much for coming on. We're going on your podcast right now, so be sure to listen to that too. Now I just want to, like, repeat everything we just talked about online because it was so good. Oh, let's do it. Okay. Well, we don't even need to record. We'll just use your stuff.

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