The Bossticks - Kelly Stafford On How To Overcome Adversity, Develop Resilience, & Manage Life In The NFL

Episode Date: January 9, 2025

#794: Join us as we sit down with Kelly Stafford – podcast host, health advocate, media personality, mother of four daughters, & wife to NFL Quarterback Matthew Stafford. Known for her candid approach to life, Kelly opens up about her experiences & shares her truth. In this episode, she delves into her fertility journey with IVF, her diagnosis & battle with a brain tumor, navigating postpartum identities, & balancing family dynamics as a busy mom, entrepreneur, & partner to an NFL superstar.   To connect with Kelly Stafford click HERE   To connect with Lauryn Bosstick click HERE   To connect with Michael Bosstick click HERE   Read More on The Skinny Confidential HERE   To Watch the Show click HERE   For Detailed Show Notes visit TSCPODCAST.COM   To Call the Him & Her Hotline call: 1-833-SKINNYS (754-6697)   This episode is brought to you by The Skinny Confidential   Head to the HIM & HER Show ShopMy page HERE to find all of Michael and Lauryn's favorite products mentioned on their latest episodes.   This episode is sponsored by AG1   Check out DrinkAG1.com/skinny to start your new year on a healthier note.   This episode is sponsored by YNAB   Claim an exclusive three-month free trial, with no credit card required at YNAB.com/skinny.   This episode is sponsored by ARMRA   Go to tryarmra.com/SKINNY or enter SKINNY to get 30% off your first subscription order.   This episode is sponsored by Vivrelle   Go to vivrelle.com and apply for a membership today using code SKINNY for 30% off 4 months of membership & skip the Vivrelle waitlist.    This episode is sponsored by The Farmer's Dog    Get 50% off your first box of fresh, healthy food at TheFarmersDog.com/skinny. Plus, you get FREE shipping!     This episode is sponsored by Seedlip   Start the New Year right by visiting seedlipdrinks.com and entering the code SKINNYCONFIDENTIAL to get 20% off your purchase.    Produced by Dear Media

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Aha. It was a lot thrown at me. And I still think this is true. Like my life needed it. I needed a pause. I needed like a slowdown situation, really focus on me because that had been the last thing on my mind for a long time.

And I truly think it helped my marriage. It helped our family become like strong. And we always come back to it. You know, if things are tough and or if we're struggling, we always kind of sit down and just say, all right, things could be worse. Things, and right, everything could always be worse. Things could be, you know, anyways.

But we always try and go back to it. And in that time, just be like, we're so grateful for each other and what we have and the family we have, even though sometimes it's really hard. Kelly Stafford, podcast host, health advocate, media personality, mother of four daughters and wife to NFL quarterback Matthew Stafford. If you're unfamiliar with Kelly, she's known for her candid approach to life, which you will get in this episode. On this show, she opens up about her experiences with IVF, her battle with a brain tumor, navigating postpartum identities, balancing family dynamics as a busy mom, entrepreneurship,

and being a partner to an NFL superstar. What I personally took from this episode, though, is that she has done such a good job of standing on her own two feet as an independent woman. She has really forged the way, in my opinion, for a lot of women. I think that she really shines bright and you'll see her talk about that journey and what it sort of took to get there. With that, Kelly Stafford, welcome to the Him and Her show. This is the skinny confidential, Him and Her. I selfishly wanted you on the show because I think that it seems like you balance everything that you have going on so elegantly. Oh.

Four young girls, a wife to an NFL QB. You have your own podcast, owning your worth, and also you said that you're on tour and you're managing to show up on social media and look hot while doing it. What is the secrets? What is the secret medicine? Oh, and I appreciate you saying that it looks like I handle it well. balance things, but I truly don't. I mean, I'm like everyone else. I, to be honest, the tour is a lot.

I didn't think it was going to be, but I am really ready for it to be over. So we have one last show in December. And then other than that, I will say, I wouldn't have done this when my kids were younger. Like they've gotten to an age where, you know, they can shower themselves. My older ones can help the little one shower. So that's gotten easier. I have a little more time on my hands. but I'm still struggling to juggle it all.

I feel like my husband kind of's taking a backseat, which I hate doing because obviously marriage is important. But that is, he's like my last, are you good? Which is not great, but it's what it is right now. It's a season. It's a season. It is the season right now. And it's, you know, one of my podcasts will stop after the season, I believe it's timeout

and it's based on football. So that one will kind of, we'll take a little. break from that so that will be helpful. And obviously him being done with the off season, it's a little more time for us to reconnect. So I'm just kind of waiting until that to happen. Is there like a finesse that happens, meaning like you know when to like, like you can't upset him at a certain time? Like is there like I feel like there'd be a dance if you're strategic. There definitely is. You must not be very strategic, Lauren. No, when he's stressed, I'm like, put his face in it. No, I mean, honestly,

He does a really good job of kind of disconnecting from what's stressing him, which is usually work football, when he comes home. And now having four little girls, that really helps to just take his mind off of a lot of things that are stressing him out. Yeah. With me, I mean, I just kind of, I don't tiptoe, but I do, when I see him very stressed, I try not to pile it on. Because I would say at the beginning, when we didn't have kids, I would pile it on being like, it's just football. Like I would just, you know, give them all my stress. Anything that went wrong, I was like, you need to help me. Turns out that does not work.

So I've learned to kind of just pick my battles when it comes to. Not like fighting, but just, hey, I need help with this more than, okay, maybe I can continue to discipline this child for right now. But sometimes, like, I need your help. I need you to do this because this child's not listening. During the season, there's less of that just because. Get your pen out and write all this down. I have a honey-do list scroll. my head, but it's like a honey-do priorities list.

And I do something similar. I give you the main priority that I need. Done. And then I'll go to the next thing. I only give you one thing at once. They can't handle more than once. No multitasking. It's not an octopus.

Let's put it that way. I read a book. It says it's not good to multitask. If you try to multitask that it's, you're less effective. Well, good, because you can't do it. Okay. I don't think we have a choice. No, we don't have a choice.

No, it's true. Especially, you know, it's funny. We have friends. Like half of our friends have children, and the other half are still running around without children. Okay. Everybody's got issues. But whenever I hear the ones without the children telling me how busy and stressed they are, I'm like, you just wait, buddy. Because one thing I think about all the time is like we've gotten so much better with our time ever since we've had the kids because you're basically forced to.

When I hear some of my guy friends saying like how stressed they're like, buddy, you were just out all weekend at the bar hanging out. You can't be stressed. I don't get to do that. I have a friend that has a five-hour routine in the morning. A five-hour routine. I meditate with this. I do that. I'm like, that's gone once you start.

God, that sounds amazing. I would love to have that. Don't you feel like... Five minutes. Don't you feel like the more kids you have? Like I said, you have four. You have to find, be really strategic with your productivity. Oh, yes.

Like, when I go to bed and I feel like it helps, I don't sleep unless I can put a do-lis for the next day of like, okay, this is what I'm going to have done while they're at school. Their school is really short in California. I don't know if that's a California thing, but they get out literally at one and two. That's not what we have in Texas too. That's normal? I know her kids are older.

That's not normal, Michael. What do you mean? Her kids are seven. What time when they're that age? Because what is that first grade or second grade? Second. I could use a good three. What happened to eight to three?

Yeah. Wasn't that? Is that what years was? That's what we did. I thought it was just a kindergarten or a young kid thing where you get out. Her kids aren't in kindergarten. Well, I have a T-Kare, but yeah, they're out very early. So I really do have to plan when I'm doing things.

Now with Christmas year, it's like, when do I wrap their gifts? Well, okay, we have this amount of time. I don't know. I just have to write everything down before I go to bed and kind of try to plan it out. Do you have like a psycho schedule? Depends on the day. But it is, I mean, podcast days are longer. And I always try to put something in there for myself.

I love to play tennis, work out. So like that's my thing. With holidays coming, it's gotten less and less of things for. me and more for, you know, everybody else, which is what the holidays are. You got to just get over to January 4th. The best day or the best week, I should say, of the year is the second through the eighth. Because everyone, everyone has collectively decided of the undertone of they're going to just stop. Stop with the text.

January 2nd? Yes. No. Watch. Wrong. What do you mean? People are like ready to go then. You will see people are in hibernation from the second to the 8th.

eighth. Watch it. It's always when I do the most self-reflection. It's the 27th to the second. I disagree. Right after Christmas? That's what people calm down. No, because your kids are still home. No, no, no, no. Wrong. Second to the eighth. Trust me. I feel like I can't do it until my kids go back to school, which I think is around that time. Yeah, they go back to school and you have a little bit of space and there's not a hundred emails. Watch. Everyone makes the resolutions. I love the big. My favorite day is the third. Everyone's just asleep. It's like, Rip Van Winkle. I'm telling you. I'm going to watch it this year.

Is that when everyone realizes that their New Year's resolutions are not going to happen? It's the third. Like the second or the second, they're like, all right, here we go. And the third, they're like, fuck, this is going to be hard. Yeah. I think it's the eighth or the ninth. You think it's that far. That's a man.

I think they try. They go for a minute and they're like, nope. I fail very quickly on mine and it's horrible. Have you always been this entrepreneurial and multifaceted? I mean, it's almost like you could kind of relax and eat bonbons and you don't. I've always wanted more for myself than to just be someone's wife. Uh-huh. And that's really what I was for a long time.

I mean, I was the girlfriend, the fiancé, than the wife. And I went to nursing school. Thought that was going to be, you know, what I loved. Turns out it wasn't. I did it for like a year after and was like, this is not my thing. Had my kids. And then all of a sudden I was somebody's mom. So I was always somebody's something.

And I really just wanted to have something. for myself. I knew I was good at talking, even though I stuck at the English language, but I felt like I could storytell. And podcasting, I didn't really know much about until I moved to L.A. And that's when I kind of got into it. And I said, well, it's a new start for my husband and my family. Might as well make it a new start for me, too. And I've loved it. It's given me an avenue that's mine. Now, it's gotten to me in trouble a bunch too. But what are you getting trouble for? No, you know, just things I say that hit the media, which is often. But can you give Just an example of what you're talking about?

Well, like last year, I think it was, I don't, this was the worst one I've done because it affected a locker room. I was talking about how, like, this generation is different. My husband's been in the league for a really long time. And they didn't have social media when he first entered. And so no one was checking their phones or no one was on their phone all the time. And now, you know, everybody is. We are.

Everybody has their phone in their hand. And so I just said, you know, sometimes it's hard. I feel like to connect people. because people are on their phones. And that hit the media as my husband wasn't connecting with his teammates and things like that. So they manipulated it. They manipulated, and which they always do. But everyone just reads headlines.

Well, I thought it was going to be way worse than that. Well, there's been other ones, but I'd rather not discuss those. Because it's funny because I think because of what he does, everyone's just looking for, it's always interesting when we have certain people that have high profiles come on the show, what they'll pull. Like one person, I won't say who it was, but they came with like, oh, I slept in the bed with my child. And it was like somebody rapid-fired 80 publications that she sleeps with the child.

I'm like, if this was any other parent, and nobody would give a shit. And honestly, why does anyone give a shit? It's just because it was that person. And I'm sure a lot of people can relate to that. Yeah, a lot of these publications, they're struggling. They're looking for anything. Yeah. And I hope that's what I, but there's been quite a few.

So I have to somewhat watch what I say. You know, there's certain things on my podcast that I won't talk about. and that's basically like our, you know, certain parts of our life that I won't discuss. Other than that, like, I've loved having it. And there's been a few times where it's been as bad where I'm like, I just want to stop everything. I don't want to put my family out there anymore because I'm very real and vulnerable on my podcast. And I'm okay with that. But I do feel like sometimes it gets to the point where maybe my daughters, when they grow up,

they're like, I don't want this following me. Yeah. So I've stopped using names. But stories, it's hard because that's about being a parent is talking about maybe the best and worst parts of your day with your child. And that's a lot about what my podcast is. So it's hard to take them completely out of it. But I've tried to stop using names, tried to stop, you know, telling stories without divulging too much. I think that's great.

It's like they're the supporting characters. Yeah, I like say my kids are extras on my Instagram story. They're not, I'm not like following them to the bathroom so you can see how I potty train them. Like it's just not, that's not, that's not, I'm not the right follow for that. Neither am I. And turns out I suck at potty training. So there's that. I did actually, I just found this out.

I did lazy potty training. I didn't know that I was doing it, but that's what it's called. Oh, there's a term. What does that mean? We just, just let them do it? Like nothing. What do we do? We just kind of like, we're going to try to take the diaper off and then hopefully get the toilet.

And it was, but you just do it over time. Yeah. Your first is a boy. Girl. Girl. There was no strategy. It was just like, let's try the toilet today. That's great because I really did it horrible the first time and it was two of them.

And it backfired. That's hard though, too. It's the same time. And I pushed it and they weren't ready and it backfired. What's the age you're supposed to do it? It's supposedly when the bladder muscle's ready and they'll tell you. They'll like, there's dry diapers more often. I think I'm not an expert by any means.

but that's kind of what I've been told and honestly my third and fourth did it themselves. That's what I think. I think just let it be intuitively going with the flow and I guess it's called lazy potty training. I like that. I had a friend that like committed the whole weekend to doing it. She like was like I'm going to stay home and I'm going to do

I was just like, ah, might take a year. And how did that go for her? She made it work, but let me tell you something. She makes everything work. Okay, there you go. There was no choice. There's no choice. There's no choice. The kid didn't have a choice. Well, and it turns out too, like everybody knows, but all kids are different.

They're all going to, I felt a lot of pressure because I had friends who were already potty training their kids, and they were already potty trained. And I was like, we got to get going. Yeah. And then they were failing at it. And I was like, what's happening? Which is hard. It's hard when you feel pressures around, and then you're forcing your kids, and it really backfires on you. You just can't look at anyone else's grass.

I know. It's just you almost can't, like, get in the game of the. milestones and the it's if my kids potty trained by 10 I'm good yeah listen everyone turns out everyone gets potty trained that's how my I'm like they're gonna walk yes eventually I didn't I didn't crawl until I was 16 I mean you know for the parents out there that are super excited to get their kids up and walking and moving I'm like I would take all the time I go you once they're gone they're gone once they start moving I know I mean honestly you know let them like take take their time

How old is y'all's, how old are y'all's kids? Four and two. Four and two. And so you have a two-year-old little boy. Two-year-old boy. What is that like? It's a lot of work. Well, what I...

It's different than I feel like they're wild. I've observed that he's hurt all the time. And the other one will tell us the two times specifically, the two times that she spilled. She'll be like one time it was the coffee and one time it was the chia-c-c-cete tea. Our son is smashing everything. Like, let's wait. Chea-seed tea. Let me tell you about smelling chia-seed tea.

Me. It's good for your digestion. Chia seeds. Okay. 6,000 spilled the tea all over the white bed frame. Tiny little ticks of chia seeds stuck. You know how chia seeds stick like a lip? Suctioned.

No. So that was like 20 spills in one. Was that a like repurpose? Like did you repurpose that? I had to individually pick each chia seed like a piece of lice. Oh shit. That's fucking bad. Yeah, but I mean, like, our son just like he's always got bruises and he's always smashing into things and he's always falling down and like he's always bumping stuff.

I mean, he spills everything. It's just like a different. I don't know, it's just different. That's what I mean, that's what I was wondering because every friend of mine that has a boy, they're wild. And I don't know if I, I thought I was going to be a full boy mom. I really wanted all boys. Turns out, I love my girls. So that's good.

Matthew wanted all girls. So he got what he wanted. But like, it, I'm so great. looking around because they are they sit and they call her they're very just like they're not crazy uh-huh now months ago if i would have said that they're different i would have been cut off the air they they would just cancel my show they're different they're different they are different well i will say i think girls are going to be tougher when they're older so yeah there's that when i was a kid my mom i was i was always getting into trouble and so she's taught my dad she's like okay you're taking him and then i

i've taken him and then i've taken him and then like it flipped when they became teenagers and she's like it's a lot i'm hoping matthew will take them when they're teenagers so i don't have to do all right he's He'll be retired, you know? Yeah, put the elbow grease. Your turn, your turn. What's something that you have spoken on your own show that's really resonated with your audience? I think just opening up about IVF, things that are imposter syndrome, feeling like I don't deserve a lot that's been given and a lot that I have. But I would say those two things.

I opened up about going through IVF when I was in Michigan. Matthew and I tried for, I don't know, it's a year and a half. We knew we were going to have trouble based on some stuff that was going on with me. I didn't realize how intense IVF was and how emotional it can make you. And I felt like no one talked about it. Yeah. That one really resonated with a lot of people. I'm now part of a charity called Chosen that we grant IVF cycles to people that can't afford it,

which is something I'm really passionate about. And turns out so is the morning after crowd. And then the imposter syndrome, I mean, that was one of my most vulnerable podcast. I just kind of let it all out. Things that I've been feeling for years, like I said. I mean, I wasn't my, I didn't feel like I was my own human for 10 years being in Michigan. What was like the main reason for that? Just because I was always Matthew Stafford's wife.

I needed to sit down and be quiet. I don't need to do anything. Just take care of the house, take care of the kids. You're so blessed. And it's not that I wasn't. I know that I'm very blessed in this life. But there's something to feeling like your own individual. Yeah, I imagine that's a very challenging dynamic when someone that you're married to has that size of a platform with that big of a fan base.

Yeah. And Detroit was tough because Detroit is all sports. So like we walked through it. Here is really nice. You blend in. No one really gives a shit. So it's kind of awesome. But in Detroit, it wasn't like that.

And you would always feel like we would go to an event and we'd be talking and I'd always, or I'd be talking to somebody and I'd always feel their eyes like waiting for their chance to get to Matthew. So that was really tough because I'm also somebody who loves to communicate and be with people. And all of a sudden, they didn't want to talk. So I was just like, okay, so I shut down. Well, the best thing about L.A. is now everybody will do that with everyone when they're talking to. Yeah, you're like, well, you're not that interesting. I call it the lily pad. Oh, they lily pad to, yeah.

Wait, I love that. Yeah, it's a distracted look in their eye. But you're right. We moved from here to Austin, and it's different there because, you know, there's just so many people, public people out here that you see all the time. So people are kind of desensitized to it. Yeah. I can imagine when you're in Detroit, it would be challenging. I mean, what else is in Detroit besides athletes?

I mean, Kid Rock, Eminem. That's really about it. So you stand out there. But you've done such a good job, I think. of carving out your own path. Like you should be so proud of yourself. You've done like you you sort of made your own way. Well, I appreciate that. It took a lot of time. Like I didn't know what I wanted to do or who I wanted to be for a long time. And that's part my own fault and part the fault of people always looking around me. But I have enjoyed being here. And I really enjoyed just having my own

something. You know, now I'm not just someone's mom or someone's wife. I'm also and it's not what you do. We know that. But it just, it feels nice to contribute something. I have a hot tip. Okay. For all men. I look at me like I just like this.

This is a big hot tip. Listen, I like this. When you are talking to a couple about business or you want someone to invest in you, look at the wife. The wife is the one that's making the decision and she will do it subtly, she will say, that's not who I would work with,

pass the ketchup. You have to look at the wife. And I have been around so many men in rooms with Michael where they don't even look at me because they're just focused on Michael and they don't realize like, yeah. Let me talk to you, Ben. We did live in West Hollywood for a while. The wife is such a decision maker in a very subtle way. And it's so interesting to me. me how a lot of men don't realize that that they think they're talking to the head. The head's the wife. I agree. Hate to break it to you.

Yeah. And Matthew even tell people about it. He's like, I got to talk to my wife first. It is very, and you know where I find it really apparent to, or what I would say is when waiters are serving or like asking for your order and they are solely looking at everybody else but the wife or just that's how it feels. Whenever we sit down on a table, if the waiter comes to me first, you. and ask for my now I'm from the south too so that just for me that's how I manor should happen

um order the food should come to the woman first all those things if they do that I'm tipping like I'm gonna be and to be honest I usually sign the bill anyways so that's like like you're saying I'm like yeah when waiters come up and they just kind of just look at Matthew and they're like uh-huh uh-huh or waitresses same thing uh and then they're like and you and they'll look away I'm going well our Are you listening or? So I agree with you. I'm on your, because it is true that men tend to think that they run the show, love you. But it turns out usually the woman in the house does.

The woman is the compass. No, I'll get home. I'll be like, oh, I just met this great person. And Lauren's like, no, not them. I'm like, it's over. Matthew reads people really well. I'm horrible at reading people. So that's actually flip for us.

He's like, I'll be like, oh, my God, I'm at this really nice person. I'll say the name. He's like, oh, no. And then I'm like, no, they're great. And I'll spend another day with them. I'm like, fuck, he was right. That's like you. Yeah, you do that too.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, I think I'm. Do we just, are we not too easy? Like, first impressions? Like, that's why I say, is it easy to make a good first impression on me? I think that, that if you're married for a long time, there's one person that has the nose. That's true. It's like a nose for bullshit.

That's true. You have more of the nose for that. But I make more of the disqualification. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I think like everybody has certain skills. I can. No, you think you're great at this. Just brag. No, I think that I'm good at sussing out people's like real intentions early and if someone's a nice per, like I watch the way people treat other people. I'm very observant. Okay. If somebody comes into the studio and they're super nice to me and they're rude to any of the people that work in. I'm like, yeah. I don't like I watch little kind of things like that or someone how, you know, just how they treat people. and everyday search. So I'll see sometimes, because of what she does, I'll see people like, I don't behave a certain way and then not somewhere. I'm like, no, no, no, no. Got it. It's just a little thing. People, people will tell you who you are. If you're around me and Michael, yeah, they will. Yeah, they will. Serving. Careful. Careful. Were you guys nice when you walked in? Yes, you were

lovely. Both of you were lovely. Okay. You've talked about postpartum depression. I had the worst postpartum depression with my first. And that is something that obviously we know is not talked about. you've had four children. What did you find to be the best tool in your toolbox to help with that? Is there a tool? I would say talking to somebody. It took me a little bit. I think I was so embarrassed because they tell you how happy you should be and you have this

healthy baby. And it was actually after my third hunter that I had it. And there was nothing really that anyone could do in my immediate circle. Like Matthew tried my parents. everyone, you know, tried to say things that they thought were going to be helpful or do things. Turns out I just really needed someone to listen and not judge. And I didn't think I could do that with the people around me. Not that I, they're not judgmental people, but it's just you have this thought in your mind of saying,

okay, I just had another beautiful baby and they're healthy. And there's people that don't have healthy babies. can't get pregnant. So I should be so, so happy, but I am not. Like, I am struggling. I don't want to get up. I love the baby, but I also want to hand her off a lot. And I don't think there's much wrong with that. Sometimes you need a break. But it got to the point where I was also failing to take care of my two older ones. And that wasn't fair. They were about almost two and needed their mom. And so finally kind of got the courage to go talk to someone and that. And to be honest, I was so skeptical. I was like, this is not going to help. I don't want to be put on medicine.

I don't, I didn't want to go down that route because I just was like, I'm fine. I'm fine. I'm fine. Turns out went to this person and she was incredible. They just, I believe therapists know how to get to the bottom of things. And so that's where I found myself again in a way. And I've actually carried that through LA. Like I've a therapist here. I just think being able to get things out that you might not be able to the person even closest to you. Honestly, I feel like sometimes that's the hardest person to open up to. Because I felt, and again, I felt embarrassed. I was, you know, went through IVF, wanted kids so bad, got pregnant naturally at this one very quickly. And so I should be so happy. And it just It was the complete opposite for me.

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receive 30% off your first subscription order. Go to tryarmor.com slash skinny or enter skinny to get 30% off your first subscription order. That's t r-r-m-r-m-r-a-com slash skinny. Tryarma.com slash skinny. I think that's where it makes it worse, though, is that you have the postpartum depression or anxiety, and then there's like shame that you feel that way when you're supposed to be so happy. And what I've realized is you can simultaneously be so happy that you have this beautiful, healthy child, but also be struggling with something at the same time. For instance, with pregnancy, whenever I've been pregnant, I'm so blessed and happy that I'm pregnant.

But it's also shitty to get fat and cellulite and feel like a whale. 100%. And be waddling around and feel hormonal and grumpy and have food adversions. Like, I just don't, you can have two things at once. Yeah. I agree. I feel like you can be happy while mourning something that you might have lost. Yeah.

And for me, I really struggle with my postpartum body. In fact, I would not get naked in front of Matthew for a long time. I was just embarrassed. I was so used to a certain body type of mine. And all of a sudden, that's out the door. And I had to realize, like, looking back, it's okay to feel bad about that. Like I feel like society is like, oh, but you just had a baby. You look, you look so good.

Like, don't worry about it. That's your, your scar, like the scar of your child. And I'm going, yeah, I get that. But I'm also really struggling with what I look like. And as, um, not solve it as, uh, what's it when you're all about outside looks? This is where the English language is hard for me. Superficial. Superficial as that might sound.

It's the truth. And so I was like, I have to be, I can be happy, but also more in the fact that I lost with my two first two babies, all of my freedom. I have two people to take care of. Yeah. And that is what it is. And you can mourn that. You can mourn your body. It's going to be different for the rest of your life and that's okay. But it's also okay to sit in that for a while and reflect on it and be like, okay, this is what it is now. But the fact that people tell you, don't worry about it. It's just your post-part. Like, you'll be fine. This is your new body. You're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, this is your new life. Well, let me, give me a second to mourn my old life

that I'm now, don't have anymore. And I also think if you have intrusive thoughts in the postpartum fear, that's a whole, it's, you feel like you're going insane. Yeah. Oh my gosh. Well, I'll just be honest, like, I don't be careful here, but like a lot of men, we just don't have any idea what the hell is happening or going on. Like, she was going through it. Michael told me his hair hurt when he was, when I was 10 months pregnant. That's not. 10 months pregnant. Ten months pregnant he told me his hair hurt your hair hurt no it wasn't my hair that's not what I mean repeat it no it was like one of these things I don't know my head heard you said your hair hurt did I might have I wasn't trying to take away from have you ever seen that meme where it's like

I'm tired but I know I'll never be as tired as my wife is tired it's like right it live it love no I just at the time when she was going through that especially as our first child and nobody never talked to us about this subject and this was I thought you had the baby and it was skipped to my loo and it was like nobody we didn't know what's a deal so I'm like I'm like snap out of it. And I've taken a lot of shit on the show in the past. We've talked about how I had to go through it. But I had no understanding of what was happening. Yeah. And it's, I mean, I feel like it's tough for the husband. It's not just you. It's, I feel like every guy's trying to figure out kind of where they should be or what they should do for their wife who might be. Yeah, who might be. It's tough on the relationship, I think. Oh.

That's, I mean, like, meaning it wasn't tough on me for, like it was much tougher on her, but it was tough on the relationship because I didn't know what to do to help her. Yeah. And there's honestly, unfortunately, there's not much you can do. Yeah. Now I've learned, okay, it would have been better if I would have to shut the hell up and listen to a lot. All you have to do is shut at. It's so easy. Shut up. So this is funny that you say that because I have a feeling of this. Matthew gets hit every week, right? He comes home. He's eaten and battered and all these things. And I really hurt my back two weeks ago. And I have been really struggling, but I can't complain. So I know this is one of the things I

tiptoe around. I know, okay, I can't talk about my back because I know he's dealing with far worse situations on his body. But maybe, you know, that's kind of like this. Maybe just don't talk about how your hair hurts or how you have a, what's your latest that you have a dot? Show or the dot. No, it was like a broken capillary. That dot that he's talked about every day for the last year. What dot? There's a dot right there. Show the dot. It's like right there. Everyone on on YouTube Go zoom in on the dot. They can't see it. It's an invisible dot.

No, but I was wondering. Don't go on a tangent about me here. I'll be like my arm just got cut off. He's like, ugh, this is dot. This dot. The point is. The point is. It is a dot.

It is like the tired analogy. I'll be exhausted, but I realize I'm not allowed to tell her that because she's more exhausted. You know what? Yes, it is. And I always try and remind myself that it's not a competition because I'll do the same thing to Matthew. He'll be like. Make your notes out again, Lauren. Well, it's tough because when he comes home and he's like, I've had a really long day.

I would be like, you've had a long day. Let me just tell you about my day real quick. And I know, like, what is put on his shoulders is a lot and there's a lot going on at that facility every day. But there's also a lot going on at home. So there is, I have to remind myself a lot like when he says something and I want to respond in a way, I have to feel like it's not a competition. It's not a competition. He's tired. just let him be tired, you know, I can deal with mine in a different way.

But there's a lot of times where I'm like, I just want to, I'm fucking exhausted. Like, you're tired. You haven't even seen your kids yet. Kids are exhausting. Yep. What I've learned though doing this show for as long as we've done it and having all sorts of different people is like somebody's worst trauma is their worst trauma. Meaning like if somebody lost a loved one or a parent and that's their worst thing

and then somebody lost their job and that's the worst thing. Like they feel the same thing almost as much as the, until they have a greater trauma. So your dot is equal to me getting my arm cut off. Got it. But do you know what I'm saying? No, I absolutely do. Oh my God.

There's not, they don't have the, they don't have the ability to even see like, oh, there's a worse level. It's like for them, whatever the, like, you know, it's like when you see a young kid going through a breakup. It's like, this is the worst thing ever. I'm never going to make it. It's like. And it is for them.

For them. It is the worst. And I'll say something on that. I, in 2019, had a brain tumor and felt guilty for feeling, huh? I want to talk to you about that. Well, felt guilty for feeling the trauma, like felt guilty for feeling scared because it wasn't cancerous, right? So I was very lucky in that. And I felt bad even saying I was terrified of surgery because, you know, there were people that were fighting brain cancer.

And so, but that was the worst trauma I have been through. and the scariest thing I have been through. So it was hard. Like you're saying, it's hard to, you're right. There's certain traumas that people feel that are equal to even greater traumas of others. Well, that's the problem with a lot of people now commenting on how people should feel about their traumas

because there's, you know, there's people that feel the need to tell people how they should feel about their trauma, but you can't... No. Until you're in it. How did you figure out that you had a brain tumor? That's terrifying. I was actually trying to,

trying to teach my little girls a front roll. I cheered and tumbled through my life. And so it was something that came very bad. Front role obviously comes naturally to a lot of people. But I did it. And I got the room just started spinning. And I told my mom who was sitting there. I was like, ooh, I'm getting old. She was like, what? I was like, I'm going to have. The room is like spinning after that. She was like, you're 29 years old. What are you talking about? And the vertigo spell started to get worse and worse to the point where I was holding Hunter. which was my third at the time, and she was about six months maybe.

Maybe she was somewhere around there. It's also in the middle of all the postpartum depression and stuff. So there was a lot thrown at me. But anyways, I was holding her, and I felt the room spinning, and I kind of just threw it to Matthew before I went down. And right after that, he was like, we have to get you checked out. And months in between, but we finally got the results back. And, yeah, I had an acoustic neuroma that was sitting on my balance nerve.

Did they have to obviously operate, I'm sure? They did. That's so overwhelming. It's your brain. I mean, it's your brain. It's, I will say, like, I am looking back, grateful for it, but I've never been the same. What do you mean? It just takes me longer now. I was a very, or I played a lot of sports, and that's where I found my love and my joy.

Actually, I met Matthew, not met Matthew, but Matthew said he fell in love with me when he saw me play and pick up basketball. It's just what I've done. That's why I thought I was going to be a boy mom. And so now playing sports, my balance is still, I'm still learning. My brain has to learn to balance on one side. Normally you have both sides. When you work it out like this, though, like through sports, like you said you play tennis. Imagine tennis is helpful.

Does it make it stronger? The more you can make it uncomfortable, the better it gets. Do you notice anything else after that? Like, do you notice that you like smells, smell different? No smell and taste, thank God, because I love food. But I have a slight bell's palsy on my right side that I manipulate with Botox. And then part of my hearing is gone on my right side. Do you know what caused it or what brought it on?

It's just random. Wow. So it could happen to anyone? Happen to anybody. How do you know when, looking back, and I'm sure you've talked to a lot of different people about this, how do you know when to go into the doctor and get a checkup? I mean, to be honest, as moms and as, I mean, as you know, we tend to put ourselves last. Yeah.

It took my husband, forcing me to go. It wasn't like, I honestly didn't think anything was wrong. I just thought I was getting dizzy spells. Like maybe I was dehydrated or something. I don't drink a ton of water. So maybe that was it. Never in my wildest dreams did I think something was going to come back. Because I was a genuinely healthy person.

And I, you know, tried to treat my body well. How long was this whole process once you got diagnosed? Did it take two years? What was it? Short. I did not want it to be long. And what sucks is they give us options, and I hate options, especially when you're talking about a brain tumor. You're like, well, you can watch it, you can sit and watch it grow.

And then once it starts really messing with you, and I was like, messing with me, I can't hold my kids. Like, I'm having these spells. Or you could radiate it, which most people leaned against that or take it out. And I immediately wanted to take it out. When you took it out and you woke up, is it something that you? you feel better in a week or is it a huge process? I had to relearn to walk. Oh my gosh.

And it's not like it took forever. Like it was still, that's super intense. Yeah, it's just because your balance is off. And they don't want you progressing too quickly because if you fall and, you know, things, I couldn't be with my kids. I think it was three weeks.

They were out of the house. And it just, you know, it's once you learn it, you learn it. But you got to take the time to do it. How did you guys talk to your children about you going through that? Were you radically honest or did you kind of guard them? They were really young. So I was lucky in that. The girls were two. My oldest were two. So they were tiny. They were young. They didn't really have an idea of what was happening. And you were going through postpartum. You've just had a baby and you were dealing with this. I mean, that's a whole. It was a lot thrown at me. Yeah. But I and I still think this is true. Like my life needed it. I needed a pause. I needed like a slow down situation, really focus on me because that had been the last thing on my mind for a long time. And I truly think it helped my marriage. It helped our family become like strong. And we always come back to it. If things are tough and or if we're struggling, we always kind of sit down and just say, all right, things could be worse. Things

And right, everything could always be worse. Things could be, you know, anyways. But we always try and go back to it. And in that time, just be like, we're so grateful for each other and what we have and the family we have, even though sometimes it's really hard. Yeah, it makes everything else seem small in comparison. Are you doing anything where people can, like, DM you if they have a question about it? Yeah.

I'm sure people, like, have DM'd you and reach a. out. They have. Yeah. And I always, I do check my, the ones that come through that I usually, you know, people who are following, you're following have the pride, whatever that is. But, and I'll check and see because there have been a lot of people that have reached out. You know, supposedly it's a rare tumor, but you wouldn't know it by based on the amount of people that reach out. And like going public with that, I went back and forth with Matthew on it. But I was like, I want. to help others. If other people have questions, like I, I, hopefully, this is before my search, I was like, hopefully I can be an answer and give, you know, I don't know. It was a really scary time and no one could tell me anything about it. And that's what sucked. So I didn't want other people going through it to feel that way. And also when you Google it, you don't, like, it's just like almost, you're in a deep hole. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So. I don't think you can Google any medical conditions these days. Yeah, you can't Google dot on your face.

Cheers. That. Dot am I think. Sorry. Put it up on the street. screen and Taylor, pull up my, if we're going to, no, but every time you go down the Google rabbit hole, you just leave terrified. You can't do it anymore. Yeah, and I did that after I was diagnosed, but luckily Matthew shut that down pretty quick. If you were to describe, this is a tangent, okay, to someone who had never heard of sports, what the behind the scenes is like. Behind the scenes like family, like the players? The dynamics of the wags and the women and the, and the, Is there mistresses in there?

Like if you were to describe, I imagine it like, remember that scene in juicy? You want to get the headlines going on. No, this is actually for my own selfish self. I imagine it like Jamonji. Okay. When all the different like animals. Yeah, are like, like there's so many dynamics. It's like an onion, I would think.

If you were to describe the behind the scenes of the wives and the and the mistresses and blah-d-da-da to someone who has no idea, aka me, because I've never been around sports really. Yeah. How are you describing it? I mean, I... Why? Is this funny, you guys? I have had... The people are hanging on the regular in the photos. We're like, what are we editing? I have had, uh, I have a lot of experiences to pull from. I've been a quote-unquote wag for 16 years. This is the perfect person to ask. And I will start as the girlfriend.

And there's a wife. She was the girlfriend, the engaged in the wife. Yes. Wives and girlfriends is wild. Why is and girlfriends of professional athletes, I think. The entrepreneur, they should add a wages. A wages. I'm in. You know what? I have thoroughly, like, I'm so glad that I got out of Georgia.

And I'll say that because I don't think I would have ever left without Matthew. Getting to a place not knowing anybody, but the community that you are involved with, meaning the players and their girlfriends or wives. it is a very fun dynamic but also a very sad dynamic because you do see and especially because I was in one place for so long it was like a carousel. Yeah.

Women leaving. Not the mistresses. Like a carousel of like players getting traded. Players getting cut. The mistress is like sitting with popcorn in like a mustache with the glasses. I have so many good stories. I wish I could tell you but I just don't think I can.

Can you tell an anonymous one? I can tell them. Oh gosh. I don't know. I'm looking over. Okay. Maybe at the end. Okay. But it, I love that people are so intrigued by this.

And I do feel like it's because of who is now a wag in Taylor Swift. And the dynamic is about the same as if you moved with him for a job. And you got to know, and I hate to bore you. But it's, it's normal. Yeah, I'm so sorry. There's no, like, there's no real housewives of athletes. Did you ever see the show wags? Yes, of course.

Okay, it's nothing like that. So it's fake. Yeah, that's all fake. But is it like this? Like, we have a friend. He's going to hear this. We have a friend. And he has been a bachelor for a long time.

But what happens is he starts dating someone. And then he's one of our close friends. So then we all become friends. but about a year and a half into it. It gets a little squirly. It's always a year and a half. It's basically a path. It's kind of like if I was an investor timing cycles, I'll be like, okay, we're in this cycle.

This is the cycle. And it sucks because we meet these women and they're very nice and we become friends and they meet our children and we do a whole thing. But like once we're in that cycle, I'm like, well. Here it goes. So there's got to be the cycles. There is. But then like they go and then, you know, and so we all, We lose because, you know, like.

It's tough. So it is the same in that regard. There were some players that you knew not to get too close to the Sydney for others, which honestly I thought horrible about it. Yeah. Because, you know, I did get close to a bunch in Detroit who were there a long time, but, and you never want to feel like you're, you know, singling people out or not allowing people into the group or whatever, but you also just knew.

And sometimes there would just be a new girl the next. week. So it was, you know, that, managing that or like making these girls for welcome, especially as a quarterback's wife, you want everyone to feel welcome. The quarterback's like the star. He's the leader of team, mind. Guys, I want you to understand something about me. I know nothing about sports. I do know that the quarterback is like the best. It's the shiny star. He touches the ball. Yes, he touches the ball every time on offense. There's okay. So everyone's angling to get in with you. No, no one angles. I'm too old now, to be honest. If I was younger, then yes.

Are they wearing like a crop top push up with vagina out? Or is everyone like, come on, there's got to be someone. There is definitely a mix of that. And there's the girls that get their hair and makeup done for every game. And there's the girls that show up looking at a hot disaster. That's usually ones with the kids. So there is a dynamic there. And some girls are young.

And they have time and they have fun and they go out. And they're like, come with us. And I'm like, I can't. Yeah. And I used to be that girl. when I was young. When I, like, I moved to Detroit when I was 19. I couldn't even get into bars. And so it was really fun for a long time. And then, you know, you grow up and you have kids. And again, there is a big age gap between me and a rookie girlfriend. Okay, so let me ask you this. If you were to write a

what's your strategy, Lauren? What's your strategy? If you were to write a book called like the Wag Guide. The Wag Guide. Wages Guide. You can include entrepreneurs too. What would you, what would you tell someone who's just coming into this world as a girlfriend? Like, what is the survival kit? Don't lose yourself. Don't lose who you are. Because you put it all towards, like, cheering for the guy. People tell you who to be.

They tell you you should be prettier. They tell you that you should just shut your mouth. They tell you they literally, and this is horrible, it's all on social media, but I do feel like when you're young, and I still do. Like, I'm not superwoman. I don't not read comments and get upset. like I still do that. And when you're younger, I do feel like they have a bigger influence over who you think

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which is 28, and she has a big, big platform. And she was saying, like, it's challenging. Even at the scale that she was challenging, like, just the stuff that comes in. I'm sure. And it's a young person's like, how do you do? I think it's because our brains were not meant for this many people in the peanut gallery and this much content. No, I agree.

Yeah, you have to, I'm like, and I'm going to tell my kids this with my daughter. The internet's a movie set. There's lighting, there's makeup, there's a producer, there is a director, there is a filter. This is a movie set. So if you can equate it, like when I watched The Wizard of Oz when I was little and thought, oh, wow, this is a production. That's what the internet is. And I think you have to put that in perspective for girls.

I think it's really important or else you just get eaten. That's a really good way to do it. I was just, well, I want to know your tips. You have four girls. How are you? I don't know. Yeah, it's overwhelming. I'm terrified of it.

I mean, my girls are already like, I mean, I don't, I was just talking to care about this, but they asked for clothes for Christmas. They're seven and six. And I'm going, I'm pretty sure I was asking for Barbies or something to play with. But they're already so aware of what they look like. And I don't think I was aware literally until I got fat in college. I don't think I knew. I was always playing sports.

I was always just a little jockey. But my girls already are very, if they don't like their outfit, they're changing. They don't like the way they look in their outfit. And I just feel like that's so young to be doing that. And it scares the shit out of me. Because I do think, like, especially being, if we moved, this is why I love L.A. though. I love and hate L.A.

I love L.A. because they are no one's daughters here. They're not. They're just Chandler's for Hunter and Tyler. If we move to where I think we would move if we moved out of L.A., which would be back to Georgia. They would be Matthew Stafford's kids. And there's an added pressure to look a certain way. And I've felt that myself as an adult and couldn't handle it.

So I'm terrified for my children. Like we're like going to attempt no phones until you're 15 and see. And I'm honestly hoping by then, and I know it's far fetch. I tell you hear this all the time. I hope they ban it. Because it's so bad for mental health, but we all know they won't. You know, we go, like, we were talking again, like our generation of parents are kind of, no, no, our generation.

The generation before us were like that had kids in their teens when all this came out. We're like the first skinny pigs because a lot of these platforms, like it was Instagram or TikTok or whatever, like the parents had no, they didn't grow up a social and the kids all had it. So there was no way to, like we are the first generation that grew up with it, but later. and now our kids are going to be able to get it a little bit later. We go speak at colleges and I always say, are you a consumer or is it a tool? If it's not a tool and you're just a mindless consumer, then it's probably not a good thing for you. But if you can separate and realize like, okay, people are using this as a tool to curate a movie set to showcase whatever

and you can understand the difference and I think you have a chance, but if they're just mindlessly consuming and the parent doesn't have an idea how to kind of differentiate it, I think that's really challenging. that's, I mean, it's not going to go away. No, it's not. And I, and, you know, we do our best right now where they don't have technology, but it's because we're, I'm honestly scared that they're going to stumble upon Instagram, not really stumble upon it, but like they have friends who have phones. They have friends who have Instagram accounts. Oh, it's scary too. And it's, and it's, and that's terrifying. And they've already, and we're, they've already asked, but we try to do our best of just like limiting any, besides the TV. I'm all about some Apple TV. Go for it. I don't care.

But phones, stuff like that. we're going to do our damnedest to try and hold off as long as we can't. Until their brains can fully, like, be aware of what they're consuming and that it's not real, a lot of it. People's best days, the best of their best days. So it's, but it's hard. And as a woman and as a 15, I couldn't imagine 15-year-old girl because we didn't, I didn't have it when I was 15.

Oh my God. It would have eaten me alive. I wouldn't have survived. They had those journals they would pass around in school. Yeah. And then you like rape guys and girls? No, no, but I'm saying. Oh my God, I love that.

Yeah, we have a journal that we passed back and forth. We have a journal, a composition notebook that we pass back and forth. Your notes are six pages. Mine are like two sentences. Like, Lauren, please respond. Please respond. I want to know. Did y'all, y'all met very early on.

Did you all stay together the whole time? No. No. He wishes. Yeah, he does. No, yeah, you got to pull back. You got to be elusive. I had to go run around for a little bit.

No, everyone's got to, you know, test everything and make sure. Yeah. That's important. I had to test a couple cars. Yeah. No, it's good. Hey, I came back. You know what, though, what's really scary, this is like, I know we're just meeting each other, but there, I have friends that have older kids that discover porn on the internet.

And like, back in the day when I was a kid, if you found a magazine in the bushes, you're like, oh, like, there's like the thing, you know, or you, like, found a video. But it was tame. It was not so crazy. And he was saying the biggest problem now is, like, the stuff that these kids are. It's so aggressive. Aggressive. It's not like normal. I didn't even think about this.

It's not like having sex. It's like. And so what it's done is one, it desensitizes them and two creates a pick like when they have their first experiences. Like this is not even close to what it is. And so then they like, it's causing all these issues with intimacy because the kids like think that that's what. You have girls. You're a little favorite. Now I'm scared of what the boys think that should be happening.

Well, yeah. That's true. Because my girls are going to be on the other side of that. That's true. Well, but it's for all of them. But it just. Thanks a lot, Michael. Oh, you think about this?

Well, I don't know what the answer is, but I think that the needs, I think a lot of parents want to shield a lot. I think I had a father who he was kind of crazy. He's 80 now, but he was kind of crazy. He was like, tell me all these wild experiences and things that he would do. But then when I faced those things when they got present, like, say it was drugs or whatever, I was like, oh, well, he already like told me so much and explained. His dad was super, super radically honest with him about everything. And I don't necessarily know if that's the right. But I think for this, it's a lot of conversation about.

like what Lauren was talking about or if it's things you come it's like these are not real experiences they're artificial they're amped up they're meant to solicit a response and a dopamine you know release and I think like if you just if you just kind of shield them forever don't tell them and as soon as they get it it's gonna be like yeah it's gonna be crazy yeah you're right of like the analogy is great because a lot of times I'm wondering the words to say of like I'll be like no that's not real and they're like what do you mean it's right there I'm like no but that's not there's filters and they're like what does that mean so I love yeah you know what you should do you you know what you should do you you should Google influencers set up.

And you'll be able to show them the stick with the diva light. Like with, you can see all the, like, movie production shit that's behind. We're just show them what it's like to, like, edit a photo without anything.

Yeah, you could show them face tune. Like, you show them the filter. Like, this is what my face looks like without and this is what it looks like. You show them. Or you could do what we're doing

and become Amish when they're around 12. And then you just go away. What is the Kelly morning, nighttime routine if there is one. Oh, man, it's not great. I mean, your skin looks beautiful. Thank you. What's the tips? I would say, I sometimes don't wash my face at night. But I don't, but I also, that's what those are the days I don't wear makeup. Okay, okay. That's fair. Honestly, most days. But yes, I don't wear a lot of makeup either, unless I'm with you guys, because this is very important. I feel I only am wearing makeup if it's worth it.

Yeah. Like, you know what? He's seen you since you're what, how old? Oh, I don't give a shit. You figure it out. I've seen her give birth. Yeah, okay, yeah, you're fine. Everything must get after that. No, you have, you were behind the sheet.

I was around a sheet. Oh, thank goodness. In nursing school, we had to watch it. And it was. He doesn't want, you're not watching it. You're like, he acts like you're like the quarterback. I'm like a round the corner. You got it.

Okay, so go ahead. You're born in your team. And night time. Yeah, so a lot of times I don't watch my face. I do find that sometimes the oils are good. Uh-huh. I agree with you. especially as you get older.

So that sometimes happens. If that happens, I definitely take a little bit longer in the morning to get a deep clean in. But I run very dry. So moisturizers, oils. That's really simple. Meditation, cold plunge sauna, workout. No, God, I wish all of that. I mean, you look like you work out every day.

You're working out? I try and play tennis. Michael and I just started about a year ago. How fun is it? We love it. It's addicting. We love it. Yeah.

It's really good for marriage, too. Yeah. Unless, well, I've been playing now for two years, and Matthew literally came to hit a ball with me and the lady I hit with and was 9,000 times better than me. And I'm not saying, like, he is athletic. I will give him that. But I'm going, are you fucking kidding me? I literally been working out this for two years.

And I'm not not athletic, but he's just, it's, and I know men. Is that just in eight? Do you think? Yeah, probably. I don't know, but it was really fucking frustrating. Like I said, he's an elite specimen that's playing at the top level. He's going to love that.

You call him an elite specimen. I mean, he's... Can you Google him so I can see him? Here, I'll show you. I only looked at Kelly's stuff. Why is my screen not alive here, Taylor? What's happening? I think that Matthew is Kelly's husband.

I love you for that. That's my goal. When he's done, that's going to be my goal. We were on the East Coast this summer and these girl were at this bar and these girls had a couple of drinks they came out they go oh my god you are Lauren's wife

I was like I sure am right I am I love that for you I want to see like a picture is he like a Greek god or like what is Michael talking about a normal picture he's a manager quarterback it does not easy to get there I probably recognize him do you know you know what in of all quarterbacks look like

most of the time right and I love my listen this is what I love about my husband. Yeah, I mean, like, you know, I think some are different looking than others. I think he's a good-looking man. But like, when you say specimen, I feel like people are thinking he has like an eight-pack. No, I mean, like, he's just like an elite athlete, you know. And he, yeah, I would say he is, I don't know how, this is horrible. I barely have any pictures of my husband. One second. What if we just Googling? Well, but the point is, like, you know, obviously like he's as a profession, the thing he does every day for his entire life is sports, right? You can just look through this. Yeah. I mean, his job is. to work out.

Yeah. Which sounds fucking awesome. I mean, he looks like an elite specimen. I can see why he said that. I don't just throw, listen, not everybody comes on. I'm not like, your guy's elite. I don't say it about everybody. I have seen him, by the way.

He's, I know nothing about sports. I could not tell you what LeBron James looks like, and I hear that word all the time. Yes, you could swear on my life, he could walk by me. I'd be like, that guy's tall. Oh, wow.

I have no idea. No idea. Good, this is perfect for me. Don't look at any of these people. So it's nothing against, I just don't know about, I know Tom Brady. Most really good athletes look exactly like me.

Giselle's ex-husband. Yeah, there you go. You don't think of Tom Brady like that. Yes, we do. I'm just kidding. No, we don't. Wait, this is Stephen Chambers. This is not him or is that a pitcher?

This is him? That's him. Yeah. I mean, you guys are a great-looking couple. Oh, that's very sweet. Thank you. But, yeah, I mean, I would imagine probably because he, that's what he does it like, that he would know, he would be able to get into the athletics and know the movements right away.

Yes. Even the tennis is challenging, but he, yeah. I mean, he and. just a ball in general. I mean, any type of ball he can manage, which sounds, well, hold on. Let me take that back. That's the headline. There's a headline. You know what I mean. But no, he's just athletic, his hand eye, all of that. When he comes up to you, is he like famous coming up to you or no? Was he just a normal guy? When he came up to me? The first time you met. I didn't know who he was when he first met. Okay. So did you like him right away or did it take some time? He was adorable.

He was a little chubbier. Yes. I like a little chubb. Me too. Yeah. He was a little chubbier. He was really funny. Then I found out he was the quarterback, which honestly kind of put me the other direction.

I was like, oh, you know what I mean? He was quarterback of an SEC school. Like, God knows. You know what I mean? So I was just like, oh, great. And we had our ups and downs for a while there, which was also a headline that I won't discuss, but you could probably look it up. But, yeah, we loved and hated each other through college.

And then when he was going to train for the NFL and leaving, I was like, all right, this was so fun, kind of. Like, I love you and enjoy life. That's literally, honestly, where I thought this was going. And he called me from training and was like, I want to make this work. I want to try to make this work. So you kind of gave him a little absence to make him feel it for a minute. Well, I really thought that I was like, you're going to be drafted somewhere, especially when you got drafted to Detroit, I was like, love you. You're going to be so great.

And in the South, it really is about college football. So, like, I didn't know much about professional football. Like, it is about where I'm from. It's not about the Falcons, which is the Atlanta team. It's about UGA, Georgia football, which Matthew was the quarterback was. Or that's where Matthew was the quarterback, and I went to school and I cheered. I should have dated an athlete. I never dated an athlete.

Look over here. What is this? It's a little specimen. What do you mean? He can only a specimen, but I don't think it's a, well, yeah. Do you play sports? I grew playing a lot of sports, but I never... He plays tennis.

No, I played when I was a kid. I hate to break it to you. I played football when I was a kid. I was a cornerback. You did? A corner or a quarter? Corner. So you're fast.

Yeah, but I played... I've never heard that position in my life. What defense? The fuck is a cornerback? Diffons. Don't help me. That's a little bit of the left side. You didn't play quarterback?

No, I played hockey. Then I was a boxer. She's like, you weren't. I was a boxer for a role. You played like everything. Well, the problem is is that I think when, when you your kid, like your parents just throw you in a bunch of stuff. But then in high school, I was like a buck 40. And then I got out there and I was like, these massive dudes. I'm like, fuck this. I'm out of here.

And I was like, you know, because there is, you know, certain positions that you have to have a little bit of size. Oh, yeah, yeah, like every position. Michael, I think she knows that. But I've always done different things, but never at that level. No, never at that level. And I will be beating you in tennis. I would love to play tennis. What can we expect from your podcast whenever, Everyone goes to listen. Owning your worth, you also have another one. You said, what can we expect? I mean, honestly, my co-host is 50 years old.

He is from Michigan. He is a gay dad that just got separated. So we are on two different life paths. And we kind of just talk about the modern relationships in both of those and failing and succeeding. Would love for people to hear like and feel comforted that they're not alone if they have a really bad parenting day or if they have a really bad fight with their husband or wife. In today's society, I feel like we think things have to be perfect or we're failing. Turns out the way to make things close to perfect is to fail, to understand. And that's really kind of what we talk about.

We laugh. We laugh a lot. My co-host is pretty funny. He, well, I'll let you listen to get to know him, but it is just something to come listen to, take your mind off the day, realize the person, I feel like people think I have my shit together, like you said, and I'm very honest about not having it together. And I feel like that comforts, it comforts me knowing that everyone else is kind of feeling that way. And I hope it kind of comforts them, knowing that someone that you would think has, you know, her life kind of set out and planned and blessed is also struggling with a lot, too. Life is like that meme, that Kendall Jenner meme, it really is, where it's like she's sitting in bed, like with a hoodie on. And it's like me trying to figure out how to text all my friends back, like blow my husband.

Everything. Like, finish all my meetings. Like, take care of my kids. What if you just did the one that blow your husband go figure everything else to take care of itself? Well, if you don't start being nicer, you're going to be in the future. It's really not happy husband, happy life, though. If you don't start being nicer and the future loans are like, yeah, like, I host a show with my gay ex-husband. and dad. And you know what? I just realized you never put you in there. It was always everybody else.

It's all these different things you have to do all the time. It's like to figure it out. It's a it's a mathematical equation. I feel like that's some people's lives. Yeah. I think you got to pick and choose. You do. I think you can do three things at once really well. Multitask. Yeah, I think which is what we were just saying. I'm going to remind you of this later. I also think there's seasons. Like sometimes I can hang out with my friends and sometimes I can't. Yeah. So I totally agree with you. And this is what I'll say. The friends that love you and understand you are going to be there after the season where you can't do anything. Yeah. And the ones that don't, I'm sorry, we got to. Yeah, I mean, they'll be back eventually.

Where can everyone find you? Where can they come see your show in December? Tell us all the things. They can find me. My Instagram handle is KB. Stafford 89. And then the morning after media is where all of our podcast stuff drops. What else? What else do you ask me to remember? But that's where you can find us. Is it 82 or 89? 89. 89. That's the year I was born.

Got it. Okay. Okay. I just thought I'm realizing I should like when I was young. I was like, yeah, that works. But now that I'm getting older, I'm like I really should take the 89 out. I thought the 89 was his number on his jersey. Oh, no, nine. Nine's his number. Oh, so it kind of works. Yeah. Yeah. Sure. It does. We'll just say that. Four kids feels like eight and then he has a nine. Yes. Kelly, thank you so much. I chose a wife that has no understanding of who these men are.

That was my strategy. Okay, I love that. What do you guys do on Sundays? You don't watch football? I've never watched football. You've never watched. I mean, I've watched, my dad has watched the Broncos when I was little. Are you from Denver?

She was born in Denver. Okay. No, we grew up with the Chargers. To be honest with you, I also don't understand it. I don't understand the game. Well, I have a podcast called Time Out and that is what that's for. It explains it to people like me. It explains it.

I have no idea. Exactly. It's a bit of a foreign language. if you weren't brought up around it. Even if you're brought up around it and have lived in it for the songs I have, I am still learning. Oh, so you, it's not like an easy game like tennis where you can just figure it out. I used to watch a lot more when I would gamble. Okay.

I have to be vested. Okay. Well, isn't there like a draft kings that you can gamble on? Yeah, but no, and now I don't know if it's legal. Is it legal in Texas? I don't know. But I had at one point, I was like, it was going a little too much. I would like all of that.

Then I would get invested. But then, you know, because the problem with, if you know anything about sports, is we grew up with the Chargers. The Chargers fully betrayed San Diego. They bailed out. Where are they? L.A. Exactly. But then we lost the team.

And now we live in Texas. I'm like, I'm not a Dallas fan. I'm not, you know, because they were. I did. Kelly, wait for it. Okay. Throw the first pitch at the Padres game. Let's go.

And I. She did it. Was a 7.5, I would say. Hell yeah. It wasn't like a pathetic. Did you make it over the plate? You caught it. Yeah.

She made it over the plate. She made it over the plate. That's hard. Little to the left, but it was good. That's okay. No, no, no, it was good. That's a long throw. I know.

So. She did it from the mound, too. Damn. A lot of people don't choose to do that. A lot of women choose to step up. You know what I thought the whole time? I was like, I don't catch this fucking ball. My man card is going to be done.

I'll be finished. When they asked you to catch it where you're like, damn and I don't want to. I was like, if she throws it off and it's and I can't, then like I won't. But I'm like, if she gets it to me and I miss it, I'll be, I'll be finished forever. Don't worry about you who's throwing the first pitch from the center of. about himself. But don't you agree?

Maybe I absolutely agree. Like if I didn't catch it, and she got it to me. I would have been the fan talking about you. You would have been like, look at this bozo. Absolutely. I'd be like, God, he can't even catch her ball. This is tough.

After this episode, I'm inspired to throw around an old pig skin. There we go. Teach me how to throw it. I love this. Kelly, thank you for coming on the show. Come back anytime. Be sure to head to at the Skinny Confidential on Instagram to see the lady.

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