The Bossticks - Kenzie Elizabeth On Navigating Your 20's & 30's, Finding Purpose & Passion, & Never Giving Up

Episode Date: June 2, 2022

#466: On today's episode we are joined by Kenzie Elizabeth. Kenzie is the host of the ILYSM podcast, a creator, and vlogger. Today Kenzie joins the show for a discussion around how to navigate your 20's and 30's and how to find your purpose and passion. We also discuss how not giving up is a superpower and what you can do to never give up.  To connect with Lauryn Evarts click HERE To connect with Michael Bosstick click HERE Read More on The Skinny Confidential HERE For Detailed Show Notes visit TSCPODCAST.COM This episode is brought to you by Feel Free from Botanic Tonics. If you are looking for an alcohol alternative try this euphoric kava drink and get 40% off your order or subscription by using either code SKINNY40 or code SKINNY240 at www.botanictonics.com  Produced by Dear Media 

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And he's a serial entrepreneur. A very smart cookie. And now Lauren Everts and Michael Bostic are bringing you alone for the ride. Get ready for some major realness. Welcome to the skinny confidential, him and her. I don't know. I gained a platform before I started a podcast, so that was, like, helpful. But now I would say the podcast is like, the podcast is my main thing at this point.

My story is a little bit different because I started before I realized that you could like make money. I remember I signed with a YouTube network. So it was like the biggest deal. It was like the dear media back in the day of YouTube. Like it was the biggest deal. I didn't know. And at that point, I literally thought I would make maybe $5. I had no idea. But I just kept doing things that I actually loved and had interests in. So it's a lot of the same stuff that I'm doing now. Well, this has been a long time coming. I have wanted to do a podcast swap with Ms. Kenzie Elizabeth from the I Love You So Much podcast for so long. She is such a star on the Dear Media Network, and so many of you are in your 20s, and that's what her whole brand is about.

She has so much good advice for being in your 20s. She's so transparent. Her podcast talks about mental health, fear of failure, what to do if your ex won't stop calling you, all the things. And she's so consistent and well thought out about her podcast that it's impressive. I've watched her hustle from afar. She has merch. She has clothes. Her podcast crushes it. And she just is someone who's really committed to her craft. So after harassing her on Instagram, we finally got her on the podcast. This episode goes all over the place. I think it's a really great episode if you're in your 20s and you're still figuring out what you want to do. And if you want to hear more from us three, you can go to her podcast because we did a swap with her. The swap you can expect is the best advice for your 20s, the secrets to an amazing podcast,

and making your dream a reality. The themes obviously pulled through to this episode. So who is Kenzie Elizabeth? She is the CEO of Breadwinning Housewife. You may have seen me wear her hat that says breadwinning housewife. She's also the host of the I Love You So Much podcast, and she has a book club. She's the co-founder of the O Kind, and she is kind of, like, actually very famous on YouTube. She's hot, she's pretty, and she's fucking cool as shit.

Let's welcome Kenzie Elizabeth to the skinny confidential him and her podcast. This is the skinny confidential, him and her. This is so weird, but one of the reasons that I really wanted to interview you, besides that you're on Dear Media, is that you're a huge reader. Okay, I earlier, before you were in here, I was getting my laptop out and my Kindle flew out. And I was like, of course. Yeah, no, I love reading. Yes. Okay.

So you have to tell us your top three books before we even hop into this because I was scrolling through your book club highlight. And I was screenshoting so many recommendations. Okay, so maybe don't read the ones that I've had for book club recently because they've kind of been misses. I read 100 books last year. You're ashamed already at your book club? What's going on? No, the book club is great. The most recent one was fine, but we had it done. So just ignore that. I just finished Run, Rose Run. It's Dolly Parton and James Patterson's latest book. I'm also like the biggest Dolly Parton fan there's ever been. Even if I didn't love Dolly, I love that one.

It's up there. You like thrillers, right? I like thrillers, biographies, or businessy books. Okay, so Little Secrets by Jennifer Hillier is my favorite. Love that book. Okay, that's my favorite because it's like one of the few thrillers. I just love a thriller where like the wife didn't kill the husband. You know, like it's happened. We've been there.

I'm like moving on. Did you read Jessica Simpson's memoir? I did. I read it and I thought she was really open, but I would have liked a little bit more specific juice, like super detailed. Like I wanted to hear about what sex was like with some of these guys. Well, also I love when she talks about like hooking up with Nicolish. after they were divorced. I love that. Also, I grew up pretty close to part of where that story

takes place. That church he talks about. I drive past it when I drive home. So I feel really connected to that. Have you read Demi Morris book? I love Demi Morris book. I have so many. I mean, I'm trying to think of like random. Have you read the biography of Napoleon Bonaparte? No. I'm fucking lost in this conversation. What the hell you guys talking about right now? You know what you feel like this is, Margot and I say this about Jockey Osre. Like she had us for so long with books. And then she just started reading really smart, like historical fiction novel. She's very, very smart. And I think that maybe when I get, like, pregnant and I get older, I'll be more like her. I like reading a lot of fiction. Like I grew up reading a ton of not,

not grew up, but like, I would say high school to college, even post grad a little bit. I was reading nonfiction. And then I switched. And now I just like fiction because it's the only time that like I'm not thinking of anything. I'm not working. My hands are busy so I can't get on my phone. I can't reach from my laptop. Like it actually just relaxes me so much. Oh, you know what? I loved Josh Puck's memoir. So random

Drake and Josh. You know? I think that's... Are they on Nickelone? They were like 10 years ago. But he actually is interesting. Were they the guys that got slimed? Are we dating ourselves

too far back? What was that double dare? Is that from double dare? Was that double dare? Yeah, exactly. Oh my God. We have a generational gabby. Wait, what's the other one that you were showing me

hiddens of a tomb or whatever? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Hidden's of a... Did you remember salute your shorts, donkey lips? No. Past her generation. There's some of our listeners are out there and they know what we're talking about. Josh Pag's book, that was really good because he talks about like a weight loss journey, addiction, in a way that it's interesting because he is not relatable.

He's a child star, not something that you'd be like, oh, I connect to this novel. But like the way he writes, it was just a really, really good book. So I love a good fiction. I think really good fiction writers are the best writers because it's very difficult to, one, create a great story. And then two, also be an extremely compelling writer. where I got lost is like I can't do a lot of the beach reads anymore because the writing is now like I feel like it's a little bit too. You stretch.

You experience stretch. Like you start to read some books that are really well written and then you can't go back. This happened to me the other day. But I'm a big fan. If I start a book and I'm 40 pages in and my mom taught me this and it's not compelling, what's next? Like I'm not going to waste my time on a shit book just to be OCD about it and finish it. There's a lot of people that like, for what they start a book, it's something where they feel they have to finish it, even if it's a shitty book and they sit there and they like stay on a book for months that they don't like.

I know, let's tell people like there's millions and millions and millions of books. If you don't like something, drop that one and pick up one that you do like. By the way, just so you can go Google this for everyone who's my age, legends of the hidden temple. You don't know what that is. No. Okay. Is it a Nickelodeon? Yeah.

So you're watching, you're watching Josh. Drake and Josh. Drake and Josh. like Josh and Drake whatever and we're watching the legends of a hidden temple with Mark remember that host Mark listen you want to really have your mind blown have you seen the old are you afraid of the darks no oh my god let me tell you something about the show I don't have a lot of homework after the kenzie okay if you download here's a free plug for your paramount if you download the paramount app you can go to the Nickelodeon shows you've probably got Drake and Josh in there I don't know but you can go back to the vintage are you

afraid of the dark shows. And I'm telling you, I was watching these things, what? We were probably like six, seven, eight years old. The library one's the scariest. These are things that scare me right now. I'm like, dude, this is what, I think this is what happened to our generation. We all watched all you're afraid of the dark. We're all scared shitless. We fucked up the world because of it. And now you got to live in it.

Oh, great. Thank you. She has no idea what you're talking about. Okay. I think I actually can picture it. Okay. Remember that thing? The clown was up there in the attic and the swing was. She literally has no idea. I don't. I take it back. Okay. You are a different generation than Michael and I. and I'm so impressed by your generation

because I feel like, I feel like you especially, you're so driven, you have a huge podcast, you have a big following, a lot of people look to you for advice. How did you even start with all this? Because give someone advice

who doesn't know where to start, they're young. I'm 24 now and I started on YouTube when I was 16. I'd watch YouTube before that. So I don't know, I gained a platform before I started a podcast, so that was like helpful.

But now I would say the podcast is like, The podcast is my main thing at this point. I just always watched YouTube, but I started, it's, my story is a little bit different because I started before I realized that you could like make money. I remember I signed with a YouTube network and it was, I'm, this network named Style Hall, okay? I remember that. You remember this? Yes. Okay. So it was like the biggest deal. It was like the dear media back in the day of YouTube. Like it was the biggest deal. And I remember, like, I had my mom, I took a photo of us like signing or me like signing a contract, right? And like, first, My parents still had to be on contracts. I was young. So I didn't know when at that point,

I literally thought I would make maybe $5. I had no idea. But I just kept doing things that I actually loved and had interest in. So it's a lot of the same stuff that I'm doing now. Like what? What did you start with? I mean, it says on here you're born in 1997. How old are you when you start? What did you start with? Okay. So I started when I was 16. We would do like haul videos, vlogs. A lot of what I do now. Do the intro. I mean, no, no, no. I never, I don't, actually I'm afraid.

I don't like watching my old stuff because it, like, cringes me out. It was probably like, hey, guys, what's up? Like, but it wasn't super YouTube-y. I was never, like, a Jake Paul YouTube-esque type thing. And there's a lot of things I could have done that I'm sure would have grown my channel immensely, but it just was not me. Like, what are those things? So there was a time on YouTube when there was a very, like, oversaturated time

where, like, there was, like, 27. year olds filming back to school videos. Like, you would have literally died. What do you mean? Like, they weren't really in school? No, because they were 27. They couldn't be in school, like high school back to school. Not even college.

But what do you, wait, hold on, hold on. What do you mean? Like, if I did one, I would be like, I'm pretending to go back to school and I'd like throw a backpack on and go to class. Literally, yes. So there was a high school in the palisades

that everyone would go to and like Freaky Friday was filmed there and a few other shows that I don't even remember. So people would go and we went through a phase. I bring that up to say we went through a phase when I was probably like 18, 19, I'd moved to L.A. And we were filming these videos that were just so not true to us. But a lot of people at that time, that's what was doing well on YouTube.

So it was like back to school, middle school versus high school, me, just things that were like so embarrassing. Like everyone is collectively really embarrassed of them now. But anyways, we started then. And then we went back to a lot of haul videos, favorites videos, get ready with me, makeup tutorials, everyday makeup, vlog, day in my life, like school essentials, things like that. So like a younger version of even the stuff that I do now. And then I moved to LA, went to college, and then the podcast, I was probably like 21 when I started the podcast. Tell us some behind the scenes juice of the YouTube community that we don't know about.

Okay, I think people don't realize how much money is in YouTube at all. I mean, like, there is regular. I remember the first week that I had moved to L.A., and I was really welcomed by a lot of these girls who were just so nice. I went to this girl's house and she had a check in the mail for $35,000. And at that time, I was 17 when I moved. I had no idea at that point, like, yeah, I was like making money, but I wasn't making $35,000 in a deal. And that is now on the lower end.

So she's, like, opening a check in front of you and showing you this? Yeah. Like, bragging? No, it wasn't bragging. It does sound weird now that I think about it. It didn't feel bragging. It was more like, hey, you can make this kind of money. Yeah, I think it was more like they were bringing me with them.

Okay. Then it was bragging. I'm trying to think earlier conventions. So this is like probably not interesting. Like earlier convention stuff. I mean, obviously like everyone's fucking everyone. Like that was like behind the scenes. What do you mean everyone's fucking everyone?

Like there was just so many like people. Like we would come back. We would, there would be like playlist lives and Vickon stuff. Right. At the time, this was the era of YouTube that wasn't as like authentic. This is pre like Tana Mojo days. Okay. So these are you can't like say that you like drink online.

Like everyone was like a little bit more PG because you just like couldn't do that at the time. And you also would have like no sponsors. This is way back in the day. We also were, like, it was illegal, but you were drinking. We would, like, come back into, like, hotel rooms and stuff. I mean, this is, I mean, it's just, like, typical high school college stuff, but it was happening there. But it was, like, also the people who are, like, on the internet who are talking about, like, middle school favorites and stuff like that. When you say this is pre-Tana, I can't say that.

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fuck the toothbrush or something like that. Like something crazy clickbait, but she just kind of like stopped. I mean, one, she was wilder than the most like the next person. But also she she stopped. Like it wasn't fake anymore. And not the way everyone was like fake, but like people just like kept a lot of things offline. And she put everything online. So I feel like it really opened up a new level of YouTube or new wave of YouTube that became a lot more like raw. They like raised the ceiling so high. Yeah. Even like people that were scared to say they drank, you know, if someone's saying they're fucking a toothbrush. Now it's like, okay, there's an in-between there where you can get a little bit further than like, I don't drink alcohol. It's what you're saying. Yes. So maybe she pushed all of you guys

to like, you have to like show more. You can't just show like your morning routine. That's not enough. Or it's also like, well, if she said she fucked a toothbrush, then it's okay if I said that I had a couple drinks last night. It's like it's, it's tame compared to how far that is. Yeah. And prior to her on YouTube, there was, there really wasn't that at all. So how has YouTube evolved since when you started to now because now you have the Jake Pauls, you have the Tana. Like, like, how is it changed? I've had the same like group of friends on YouTube since I started when I was 16. So I feel like a lot of us, even when the platform has changed and a lot of people have either left or don't like it, or they have like different relationship with it. I feel like we just have all kind of

stayed in our own bubble and kept doing what we wanted to do. But definitely like Jake Paul. And then there was like, my life as Ava was like popping off. And again, it was just very like highly overproduced. You look at like Mr. Beast even. Like that it's just, I mean, he puts in like millions of dollars to a single video. It's the craziest thing. So it just became really overly produced. And then there's been waves though. I think like Olivia Jade went on YouTube during the like over saturated days and just started making like normal vlog videos again. And then everyone kind of went back to that. It just has waves that ebbs and flows. But I would say it became really overly produced for a while. And that's just, I don't know. It's not my scene. Not my vibe.

So how did you transition from YouTube to podcast? I know you still do YouTube, but how did you decide to do that and why? I remember the first podcast I ever listened to was Girl Boss Radio, like season one before it was vintage. Yeah, literally vintage. And I had wanted to start a podcast for probably, that was probably like two years before I even started one. I had a horrible manager at the time who was just literally the absolute worst person and

was so like, you need to grow your numbers on YouTube before you start a podcast. podcast, which was actually the worst advice that I could have gotten because I think every platform helps every platform. You should be like, that helps, right? But he was very against it. And then I was also like a full-time college student. So I was like, okay, I don't really have time to commit in the way that I would want to commit. And then finally, I was like, I'm going to do this with or without you. Like, I made my decision. I think I was actually the first one. Was I the first one that was first show that was produced through media, like born through dear media. Yeah, I was. Thank you, yeah. Okay, I was going to ask. Did I have talked to that man?

I probably talked to him at some point. No, because I dropped. I ended up dropping at that point. I know you, well, listen, I have to pay you a compliment because you jumped on board super early and especially like when I was still figuring this shit out and didn't really even know if it was going to work. And you contributed to it working, obviously. Yeah, I remember talking to you and I remember thinking like, oh, like you have this big YouTube thing. Why do you want to jump over here? Because you were super passionate about coming over here and kind of like leaving that world a little bit. I mean, I still produced there, but like now this is your main thing. Yeah. I don't know. I just loved. I also love hosting. I have.

always, that was kind of like my first thing when I was younger. I wanted to either be a host or like have a clothing line. So I really just wanted a podcast, but I was obsessed with podcasting and I'd listened to it so much. And I really, this was before too. Like, like obviously we see podcasts are huge now and it was. It had to be early. It had to be 2018. It was early. Yeah. And so I don't know. I remember though. I was like, I don't know what that means on the business. I'm like, there was a YouTube studio. So you would, or your YouTube network and you would have them and they would handle things. I just like didn't know what that was. It was like, how do do I even get a podcast on? I had no idea and I was Googling and then I saw Dear Media,

but this was before I even really knew what the skinny confidential was. Like, it all came together at the same time. But I still didn't really know, but it was a podcast network. So I was like, I have a YouTube network. So maybe I should have a podcast network and that's how I found your media. You know, it's funny because I think a lot of the management companies and networks kind of gave what we do a bad name. And I don't say that to bash them. I just think that there's a convolution of like YouTube networks are not great. Yeah. Well, they would say that to kind of describe it. I actually don't even describe your media as just a podcast network. I think that's thinking kind of small, right? Like, I look at it as a marketplace that produces a lot of content

to leverage into other things, whether that's live events, merch, product lines, whatever brands, original, whatever. But we take a heavier hand, right? Like, that's what I was trying to explain you in the beginning. I was like, I'm not taking, like, I don't come into brands and just say we're taking a piece of your revenue. Like, we help you build and create and go into other things, right? I think a lot of these studios and management companies, again, there's like no shade, but they say they do a lot more than they actually do. And then they come to a place like this and have something like this do it for them. And they're like, oh, cool.

I set it up for you. It was like, well, you made an introduction. Yeah. Well, I loved your media, by the way. I mean, I say that all the time. Also, if one more person asked me to set them up with your media, like everyone wants to be at your media, really like the cool kids on the block, as you guys know. But it is like I cannot set one hook one person up.

Don't stroke the ego today. We've already. Yeah, we've had enough. We've had, I woke up to muscles flexing in the mirror. I had to like feel his muscle today. Enough. I can't. Enough is enough today. I've had enough. I'm at my capacity. Your grandfathered in. If it's an intro from you, I'll like happy to take it. Wow.

But you're, but I'm like stroking my ego now. But now I'm putting the pressure on you to give the right intros. Well, I've given good intros. I gave Lindsay Carter. I bet. Okay. I mean, there you go. I would only give good intros. My God, that's also on me. I've also put myself in a position where I don't take a lot of those intros anymore. Well, I don't, I don't email you. page. Thank you, Paige.

Thank God. Your podcast is doing exponentially well. Why do you think that is? Like if someone's listening and they have a YouTube channel and they want to transition or they want to

break into the podcast space, what are those tips? Okay, so one thing I will say the past year, it's definitely, I would even say the past six months, it's done so, it's just been growing a ton. One, I think

Breed Winning Housewife has added so much to my overall brand. And then the other thing is I just started talking about navigating your 20, because I was 23 and I was like, what the fuck am I doing? This is the most, I was just so confused. And I was just almost like born confident.

Like I came out of the way my dad was just very supportive, but also the first person and then I tell me I'm wrong. So very healthy. So I was always like, I know who I am. I know what I'm doing. And ultimately up until that point, I really had done that. And then my 23rd year, pretty much everything in my life was changing at once. And so I was really confused.

I started talking about that in the podcast. It has hit with so many different people. that's been really huge. And then also I'm just really like a personable human being as is. And I think that that has helped a lot with posting. Like it's very disarming. So I think that that's also been something. But overall, I'm incredibly consistent. I've never missed a week. I take it very seriously. I'm constantly planning like even like we're like I'm constantly planning batch trips. But I just know what hits with my audience has become like such a community. It's so like tight knit. also I have a Geneva chat which has really helped too

it's okay so Geneva is you would actually really like it it's an app it's like your Geneva home right so I have like the Kinsey Elizabeth home and then you have different rooms so I have like a Dallas room Austin podcast YouTube business different wrecks though kind of clothing brand like so many different rooms in that that people connect with like I meet people in Dallas every single week we're like oh my God we became friends through your Geneva chat

okay but isn't like a Facebook group no but it's not in the way it replaced Facebook groups, but it's not in the way of like, I get it. Everyone close our Facebook groups. It's not negative like that. Also, people are not going to like, I mean, maybe they will, but I think because people have a Facebook profile and they can just go in to download an app and to get into this room and to like partake in it, it's just different. There's never been a negative thing on there.

And I have negative things out of mine all the time. Trust me. But like, there's not anything negative in there. I could not with the negativity of the Facebook group. Listen, there's a lot of positives with Facebook groups and there's a lot of positive. and there's a lot of positive people in there. But the thing about negativity in a Facebook group is the second that one person is negative,

it breeds negativity. And it is wild to watch. It is like, it reminds me of, have you ever seen like a moth on a light? And then all of a sudden, all these moths go to the light. Like the light is like the negativity

and the negative moth is like on it. And then like all the moths go to it. So I, the Facebook group for me, like I only want to promote positive, resources and to have a group that was just filled with negativity was exhausting for not only me, for the people that were coming there for positive reasons. So the Geneva group, it sounds like it's a positive, productive place. Yes. And I think, again, like not everyone has a Geneva room.

Like, if you actually care to be in it, I've never had anything negative on there. But I will say community-wise, it's really helped build community, which I also think has contributed to the podcast. I've just treated as more than just like, one, I'm prepared. I prep. I don't just come in and like say whatever. I mean, I do when you go on tangents, but I'm prepared and then also building a community has been, I think, it's a combination of that. If you've been following me since the OG times, I'm talking like 13 years ago, you know every single time that I get a blowout or I blow out my own hair, I use a heat protectant. This is one of the most important things to me because I feel like I especially

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quit or I'm going to stop. But you've just stayed with it and kind of refined. And I think it's something that young people should pay attention or any people should pay attention to as they're starting to get on a content or business journey because you've refined this. And obviously the numbers have grown exponentially because of it. You also, I remember Michael was like, this is either going to go really bad or really well. And by the way, and by the way, people normally dip out 50 episodes. So I'm pretty sure he was convinced that I was just going to not do that. But I know myself. There was no way that was going to happen. He does a little manipulation there though. That's not right. I didn't even need that. I was just like, okay. So now like doing these,

working with people like yourself a few times over now, like a few cycles for a little bit. The reason I say that to anybody that I get the pleasure of talking to is that it's true. Most people start any it's a business or its content and it doesn't go quite the way they wanted to go in the first three six or even year right and what they do is they quit and they're like okay what's it i mean lord and i didn't make a fucking penny on this show for two years and we've been doing this for six and like obviously now it's it's it's a lot and it's a business venture but people don't realize like this was two years of consistent like you week after week traveling running around like the first time we came to austin we had like a suitcase and i was carrying a bunch of equipment and mics and

And I think it's so funny because so many people want to live this life where they get paid all this money and they have this big platform and everyone's paying attention. But as soon as they hit a little bump in the road or it doesn't go right the way they want in the first three, six months or a year, they quit. I'm like, you have the audacity to say you want this great life and all this money, but you quit after three, six months or a year. Like, you know what I mean? So that's why I always tell people like, yeah, you've got to put in time and effort and work. It's also interesting. And you've probably seen this with YouTube too. big celebrities and big names, you think that they're going to get all the downloads and

like people want to listen to them. But that's not always true. It's sometimes people who don't have any kind of following that blow up. I mean, I've seen like some crazy numbers from people that you would never had thought. And then I've seen people come on to Dear Media who have literally five million followers. And their numbers for podcasting are like so low. You even look at engagement on Instagram with a celebrity versus someone who's like digital first, like an influencer or podcaster or whatever you want to call them. And it's always higher. Some of my most downloaded episodes besides I think obviously like podcasters typically do well are random. Like I, when I was going through my, you know, my 23 year old crisis, which is like not that big of a deal,

but it was a big deal and it really hit with the podcast. So honestly, thank God. I would always call my friend Jessa or I really valued her advice and she's just a friend. She's an author. now, but at the time, like, we were just friends. What was the crisis? Did I miss this? No, there was just so many things changing. And it was just a bad, it was a bad year of my life. I think it was like three years pent up and one. But I want to understand like contextually what a crisis is. So my stepbrother passed away when I was in college. My boyfriend and I had broken up at that point, which thank God, that one was not that big of a deal. But the brother passing way, obviously that was

a pent up. Yes. And that wasn't in my 23rd year, but it happened and moving and just so I was kind of in like a more of like church organization left that. Like there was so many things that I was changing about my life, that I think my crisis was that I was confused at who I was, which I never felt confused about. So I think that was more of the issue. I think it's a very valid issue, though, because I think a lot of people get in a tailspin because they get confused about their path in life. And you have all these people in your ear telling you chase your passion or do this or stick with that. I think a lot of, I know I was like this when I was young. It's like you feel like you have to have it figured out right away.

but what I realize in my personal life is I still kind of don't have it figured out and I've let go of being like, oh, I have to have it all figured out. That's what I had to learn. What advice would you give to someone who's dealing with grief from a family member? So I'm not the best person to give advice on this because I feel like I didn't handle it well, but the only... Not even what's well. What's well, though? Yeah, that's true. That's fair.

It's your way of handling it. What is, like, you know, maybe you had a specific way. I think for me, so it was when I was... in college and it was December. I went home for like when I break. I came back and you would have never like, I remember telling Taylor and Taylor was like, wait what? Like had no idea. And it was just it was like a very private thing. I just didn't post about it on social media. Like my friends at college knew and that was kind of it. And I really went into just like my everyday life after that. So I would recommend dealing with it like as soon as you can if possible. But again,

everyone deals with grief like separately. I'm currently trying. I'm starting on Thursday. EMDR therapy. Have you done this before? Tapping? Yes. We just had someone on the podcast about this. Okay, so I'm starting that, but I've been in therapy and like it's such an annoying answer, but that's like the only thing that has helped me. It's just, it was one of those things where you just don't, you have no, you don't think you're going to be in that position and then you just don't know at all how to handle it. My family dynamics were like weird. It was just a very it's been a very confusing time, but I think the only, it's not good advice, but the only, it's not good

advice, but the only advice I have is therapy. Yeah, I think that the tapping with the therapy will help you a lot from what we learned on this podcast. It was with Gala Darling. And she said the tapping was incredible. And my little sister, she was in and out of rehab for a long time. She's been like nine years sober now. But she said that out of all the therapies that she's done, the tapping has been most effective. It's, I think it's because it's something physical mixed with the emotional. Does that make sense? Like, it's an actual physical release. And I'm really proud of my husband right now because I was just telling him, he has been so much more open and evolved this year. Lauren tried to leave me in 3D, but I came with the 5D. I'm 5D. That's what I've been told.

I don't mean to brag, but I can already tell Kenzie. Like, some people are in 5D and some people aren't. Go Google it. And Michael, like, I was going to leave him in 3D. Well, I think one of the benefits, and I've talked about this now, and maybe you can relate, I think, you know, when you change your setting, where you live and you make an abrupt change that, like, basically forces you to change, you know, not only where you live, but the social circles you're in and the places, like, that you're interacting and the gyms you're going to, the food you're eating, like, all of that was, it's helpful because it gets you out of routine and rhythm. And it makes you realize, like, oh, that bubble that I was in that I thought I needed to engage with all the time is not the only

bubble. There's other bubbles. Not to say one's better than the other, but it like breaks you out of habits and gets you to start looking at the world in different ways. And so when I came out here, I think I became less analytical and more connected with just life in general. I think LA too is such a, I don't want to say like hustle and bustle city because it is and it's slow in ways, but obviously it's just work, work, work. And I for so long used working as like my coping mechanism and I have anxiety, so I want control over everything. And I think that through grief really was heightened, because I was like, well, I can't control anything else that's happening in my life, but I can't control my career to an extent. So I was so, and I just kept my, I literally would go,

this is my LA routine, okay? This is so, now that I live the life that I live, I can't even imagine, I would wake up at five. I would go to personal training at six. I had hot Pilates at seven. I would then go to class from nine to three. And then I would go to the studio. And again, this is from Studio City to West Hollywood to at one point on the west side to back to West Hollywood to like all over. So you're in the car for about five hours a day

and then I would be in the studio until whatever. Then I would get home at what like six or no like seven or eight. Then I would have to do all of my like college homework. And then I was also editing on my YouTube videos at that point. And I had to be filming and editing. Like thank God the podcast was produced. But I just kept myself so busy. Like busyness really was almost like my drug.

So when I moved to Texas and then like really the pandemic hit, it was when I was like, oh, there's so many things that I've been avoiding that I need to deal with. And I didn't have control over things anymore. So it helped a lot. And also, I think a lot of my thing when it came to being confused, like, identity-wise. So I think when I got to the point where not only did I not, I just, what I thought I wanted, it wasn't even that I didn't know what I wanted. It's like what I thought I wanted was no longer what I wanted.

That was kind of my freak out moment because that was like ultimately like there was no control. because I really didn't know what it even was. So ultimately, I think my issue was the uncertainty, which is all of your 20. I mean, that's like life in general, but a lot of your 20s, that was my issue. And then finally when I was like, I obviously, like, I have to just chill out and relax.

And it's like totally fine if I don't know what I need to do. It did ultimately get better over months. But it was just, I think overall my issue was like busyness and control. All right. If you're a mom, you know how hard it is to find legit baby food and kids now. I feel like there's so many on the market and they're just filled with random shit that you don't want. Well, I'm about to switch that up for you. Once Upon a Farm sent me so many different options for Zaza to try.

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but it says a man's biggest problem is the inability to sit with himself. Yeah. And what the pandemic... Sit quietly alone in a room with himself. Okay. Do you want to pull the quote? Oh, I think that quietly part's important. Okay.

So that's the exact quote by Michael Bostick. But what the pandemic did is I think it either did two things. It either showed you that you really value. being introspective and having thinking time and being quiet, or you really value being around people all the time. And for me, and it sounds like for you, too, I've realized that solitude is a really important part of my life. And not only that, it's a really important part of my day. For me to sit in silence, whether it's meditation or taking a walk by myself or putting my phone away and reading, like, those are really important non-negotiable things. And when I was living in

LA, I wasn't tapping into that as much. And it sounds like what Texas has done for you is similar to Michael and I is we've realized that we want to place a huge priority on just being quiet. And that's, it's such a weird concept because if you had told us that in LA three years ago, we were the same way. Wake up, work out. Go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, until you're exhausted and lay your head down on the pillow. And while I think that is good because it gets you to where you have to be, Tony Robbins always says you have to look at what got you somewhere, but recognize that sometimes it doesn't work anymore to get you to the next level. Here's what I.

Here's the bigger thing that I think it is. If you and I would have met and we were the same age, like in our 20s, you would have met a different person. Anxious, same thing. Like needs control. Go, go, go. felt like if I wasn't going all the time, I wasn't being productive, wasn't being successful, wasn't growing.

I think a lot of people in their 20s do that. And as I reflect back now at 35 and I think like what would I would tell my younger self, one, it's patience, but two, it's realizing that if you think about it, my career, like, I've only, you know, I got out of school when I was like 20 or whatever, and I'm 35 now. So it's been 15 years. And what I don't think a lot of young people and what I didn't realize is they feel like they have to do everything right now. I really didn't figure shit out until like maybe I was 32, 33, 34.

So, like, you could literally work for the next 10 years and be fine, right? like the age gap between 20 and 40 is massive and the amount of experience. So I think that's the bigger thing is people feel like they need to work, work, work, go, go because they're in a rush to get to the end. But in my experience, like you have a lot of time. And also it's impossible to figure out what you really kind of want to do until you do a bunch of shit. Right. Like it's a, it's a, Mr. Beast is a rare case where he knew at 13 years old or whatever is.

But like the high, high majority of people aren't going to know until they get a bunch of life experience and you try a bunch of stuff. So there's no reason to be in a rush. And you could work, work, work all day long and burn yourself out because you think you need to do it in two or three years. But now, like, I get up super early, go to the gym, work out, do all the things, work all day, probably even harder than I was a kid. But I have the perspective of like, oh, I'm going to do this until I'm like 80. So I'm not as stressed about it anymore. Does that make sense? Yeah, something like my therapist would always say is like life is long. In some ways, I'm sure that's bad advice. But for me, it's helped so much, especially when I want to build a career that last decades. Like, I can't do everything obviously by 20.

I wouldn't even want to do everything by 24. But at the time I would. Also about the silence and like solitude thing, that has been so massive for me. And listen, I am at the bars. I am out every single weekend. Like, I am a social butterfly. I have a lot of friends. I'm always out.

But like Monday through Wednesday, you will not see from me. will not hear from me. I need to be home. I need to be reading my Kindle by 8 p.m. in bed with red lights on. Like, I need peace and quiet and I need everyone to just leave me alone. So I think it's helped a lot. It's helped me also even have built a way better relationship, I think, with myself to where I have a lot more confidence and a lot more. I'm just a lot more assured of even where I'm going, even if it's not, I mean like literally just like day to day and who I am. It's helped me so much journaling, the morning, what is it? The morning pages. Yes, morning pages. I love.

The more of young people, I told this to our sister Mimi or Lauren Sister Mimi, I guess it's our sister now we're married. Like, yeah, you're 24. You should be, you should be fucking having a rage, right? Like, you should be going all the time. When we were that age, Lauren and I, we were out of control, right? Yeah. Like, it's like, the worst is when you work away your whole youth and then you're like 40 years old.

Like, you know what? I've made it. Now I'm going to go to the club. It's like, get the fuck out of the club, dude. It's too late for you. You can do something else, right? Go to the wine bar. Chill out.

I noticed, too. And this is like a real big secret. that I think that I just tapped into recently, the more I sit with myself in silence, the less validation I need from anyone. It's so weird. Naval Ravacant was saying this on Joe Rogan the other day. He's like, he sits in 60 minutes of silence every single morning.

And he says that the things that he used to value, like money and all these outside things and like validation from other people, he doesn't need anymore because he gets it when he sits in silence. I honestly will not shut the fuck up about sitting in silence because it makes such a massive difference on your psyche. So I think that's awesome that you've already tapped into that at 24 years old because I did not know that at 24 years old. Okay, you know what my dad reminds me so much of is Ed Milet. Like picture Edmysette, more like Texas, less. He worked for a company forever.

So like not necessarily entrepreneur at the time growing up. But he's very similar to Edmight. so so many of random personal development tools I grew up with. Or my dad also has anxiety. So growing up and he saw it in me early, he was very proactive in giving me certain tools. So I'm really lucky. But I have a very weird. Like I was always into like personal development stuff and I was what tools?

16. A lot of anxiety stuff. Like even if I call him, it would more so be, well, one, he taught me routine for sure and was like, if you feel stressed out, you need to move. you need to do this, you need to set a routine so that you're being proactive and you're not going to put yourself in a position to where then everything will overwhelm you. A lot of, I mean, reading, I think was a huge thing he always pushed. He also noticed in me like the things that calm me down that I really like to like more specific like going on walks, working out as my

biggest thing. Reading is I literally grew up, which is not shocking. I grew up reading every single Ginny B. Jones and Nancy Drew a book. I love those books. Junie B. Jones, I used to give us for Zaza. I forgot about those. Yeah, you really do. But I'm actually pretty. personality-wise, like, an exact cross between Nancy Drew and Judy B. Jones, like, if you know me well, so it's not shocking. But a lot of things, a lot of like Brennan Breathwork, my brother's really into this. Like, it's kind of like my family is very interested in that world. My mom literally thinks that she's like Winnet Paltrow. My parents are divorced. But like separately, they're both into health and mental health. So I was really lucky growing up. What are your bookend morning and

nighttime routines? It sounds like you have very detailed ones. So I've actually, in the past year and a half started valuing my night routine way more. I mean, I still value my morning routine, but night routine is really what, like, completely changed things for me. So I stopped working, and then I got really into cooking. I think I'm Martha Stewart. And I started cooking. I play Texas country. The Texas country now playlist on Spotify, it's very peaceful, very good for the house. I started cooking, and then I'll just make whatever meal. I get a lot of recipes from like the modern proper, like a kale tortellini soup that was like really, really good. I, will go on walks a lot too.

Wait, Lauren, you're not writing down kale tortellini soup. I'll send it to you. You're not making the fucking kale tortellini soup. You guys are really healthy. But Lauren,

okay, I better see a kale tortellini soup. Taylor, what are the chances she makes a kale tommy soup? Come on. No, honestly, this is really a simple recipe. Just FaceTime me.

You're taking one note this whole show to say, I can't wait for the kale tortellini soup. That's not ever going to happen. Texas country playlist and kale tortellini soup by the modern who? the modern proper. They have great recipes.

They're easy. This motherfucker's going to walk into a kitchen smelling like kale tortellini soup with the country, the Texas country property is. And you're going to be like, whoa, my wife is fucking amazing.

Go ahead. It's really good though. I can't wait. It was a really good, it's a really good habit to have gotten into as well because I just need things where my hands are busy

like reading and cooking because then I can't get on my phone. And now I don't have an issue where I need to pick up my phone all the time, but I definitely did before. So that helped a lot. My phone is on my nightstand, but I face it, like, down so I can't see. It's on the charger. I have my red lights on, and then I read my Kindle for hours. Like, I read constantly. What time do you get in bed? If I can, I mean, I would kill for like a 7.30. Like I... So would I. Oh my God. It's like I'm going,

I don't leave places until 2 a.m. probably like Friday, Saturday, every other night that I possibly can. If I can be in bed 8 p.m. more realistically, like, I kill for that. We were in bed last night at 8 p.m. And we looked at each other and went, ah, we loved to be in bed early. It's the best. Because then you know you're going to get a great night's sleep,

even though Zaza woke us up screaming, hungry! Today. No, I think like we've flipped it now. I mean, listen, if I can get a super early morning before anyone's around and then, you know what I mean? Yeah, you just don't want to be wrong people. Today I had a 45-hour morning routine and Michael, I thought he was going to kill me.

I don't want to talk about this morning. It's not about me. Just let's continue with the show. Keep going about your nighttime routine. So those are my main things. I'll do, I mean, I'll do random skincare, but the things that real, the one thing I will say that the most consistent thing about my life is my reading my Kindle every night before bed.

Every single night, it has helped me so much with anxiety. It mainly, it's actually really good breakup tip because I started doing that before like going to bed when I was going through a breakup. up. And that's when you, like, spiral and you're thinking about someone, like, you're just, like, sad. It helped me so much because I was just obsessed with these books. It was a really good replacement, I think. So that's a good tip. I have had all different kinds of extensions. Every kind of extension you can imagine. And I'm telling you, the one that I cannot stop with, the one that is my go-to, the one I'm committed to is a clip-in. Okay? A clip-in is so nice because you can take it out

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The darkest times in my life and maybe Lauren too has been like you escape through reading. It allows you to get outside yourself. I think most people think of reading is like, oh, I just got to do this to learn and get better. But it's also like if you suffer from depression or anxiety or you're trying to figure out your path in life or you're trying to figure out a passion or you just want to get outside your own head. That's why you read because it forces you to hear and see the world through somebody else's point of view. Yeah, I'm like obsessed with reading. It's my favorite thing to do. My morning routine changes a lot because sometimes I'm like a morning workout girl.

And then other times I will do like at 1130. I don't my body every few months I change it up. Right now I'm working out midday evening. So I wake up between like 637. Oh my hatch alarm clock. I am obsessed with that thing. That's a really. really important part of my night routine. I forgot. You have to get a hatch alarm clock. You can set it to a night routine. It's another hack to be off your phone. And it will, I have like music, it Dems, I mean, the whole thing. And then it wakes me up with like chimes in the morning. It's so relaxing. Is that one of your sponsors? No, but they need to be. If not, if sales seem better get on that. Yeah, that really needs to be something. That's a hell of a read. I love my alarm clock.

So in the morning, I'll look up between 637. Right now what I'm doing is I go on a walk. I get matcha. Well, I drink water immediately out of actually my breadbending housewife cup. That is like the best water bottle I've ever used in my life. So we should be using those blinks for other things as well, by the way. So I use that. I drink a bunch of water. I walk to get macha and I get like a healthy match. Now I used to be like not a healthy matcha girl, but it's so much better for anxiety and it's actually, it has changed my life. So I'll go on a nice probably like hour long walk, sometimes in silence or I'll listen to a podcast. Then I come back and then I'll eat, like, I'll normally make like avocado toast or something. I'll journal normally do like morning pages.

I'll read a little bit of like a nonfiction book. And then I'll either have a hot Pilates class that morning or I'll have it in the like 1130. So it kind of depends. And I'll either start morning work and then go workout or I'll just like get ready. Enjoy every second of this before you have kids. I know. That is what stresses me out just thinking about it. It's enjoy every second.

I have to be so strategic about the kid. Like, you have to really be productive. I don't know how you, I mean, you guys traveling and doing everything. Like, it's really just so impressive. I have help. I'm so, like, very, very honest about having help. I think that that's a very important thing. I think a lot of influencers or celebrities make it seem like it's effortless.

Like, I definitely have help. And Michael helps 50%, which I'm learning. This morning, it was like 85% of being honest. This morning was like 100. Christ. You know, I would. You almost interrupted me during meditation. Let me tell you something.

I almost had a big no-no-no-na. I almost had a fucking meltdown because Lauren, I don't know if you saw. She redid our pantry. Yeah, I did see that. Okay. It looks beautiful, by the way. Thank you.

Yeah, it looks beautiful. But I don't know what everything is. There's a bunch of seeds and noodles. And I was trying to find the sugar to make the- They're clear. I don't understand. No, there was these white. And I'm not kidding.

There was 18 jars all white, all the same, all uniform. And I was looking for the sugar. And imagine, like, a baby's yelling at me. No, there's no labels. The baby's yelling. Not yet. It was like whackamol pulling all these things out. And then I ran up to stairs to...

Who moved everything. Freak out to ask her where the sugar was. And I walk in, she has a crystal mask on, noise cancelling headphones. Her mouth is taped shut. And honestly, it was so... That's my new thing. I want to be a nose breather. I was so angry when I ran up the stairs.

But when I walked into that and ripped the door open and saw that, I was so dumbfounded by what I saw that I stopped me in my tracks. And I just walked back down to her saying. If you tried to interrupt me with my mouth taping, on, like, it's over. Like, when you are reading your Kindle at night, winding down, you should tape your mouth shut. Okay, so where did you get this from? I've literally interviewed so many wellness experts on this.

I'm not, I'm going to go off on a tangent and, like, not shut the fuck up about this. There's so many benefits to taping your mouth shut with your jaw structure. Well, if you are a mouth breather. Most, a lot of people are, like I am. I feel like, right? Most people are mouth breathers. Try it.

With your wind down, your hatch, your Kindle, your mouth is tap. Oh, it's going to be incredible. The way we're designed to breathe is like a fresh one of sleeping. Taylor or sure sleeps with his mouth hanging open. So Taylor could use that tip. I actually forgot a really important. I'm not just saying this because you're here. I,

I stroll every morning with my standing cup of digital ice roller. Well, I bring it with me, do you know how many times I have left that goddamn ice roller in the fridge at hotels when I'm batch recording? Don't put it in the fridge. Here's the tip. Get an ice bucket for room service and just put it in the ice bucket.

And you won't leave it anymore. That's because you leave it in the fridge and you forget. Yes. Definitely. We are going on your podcast. Yes. Before you go, though, I have to tell you I'm a huge fan of breadwinning housewife. You guys, I have the hat.

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