The Bossticks - Kimora Lee Simmons on Power, Presence, and How to Be Unstoppable in Life, Love, and Legacy

Episode Date: June 26, 2025

#860: Join us as we sit down with Kimora Lee Simmons – multifaceted entrepreneur, fashion designer, model, & television personality, renowned for her influential role in shaping urban fashion & pop culture. From walking iconic runways like Chanel at a young age, starring in hit reality TV shows, founding the legendary Baby Phat brand, & shaping the next era of models – Kimora is a true trailblazer in the industry. In this episode, Kimora shares insights on her early runway experiences, the power of resilience, founding Baby Phat & key lessons learned, the lasting legacy of 2000s culture in today's fashion, & how she continues to empower the next generation – including her children!    To Watch the Show click HERE   For Detailed Show Notes visit TSCPODCAST.COM   To connect with Kimora Lee Simmons click HERE   To connect with Lauryn Bosstick click HERE   To connect with Michael Bosstick click HERE   Read More on The Skinny Confidential HERE   Head to our ShopMy page HERE and LTK page HERE to find all of the products mentioned in each episode.   Get your burning questions featured on the show! Leave the Him & Her Show a voicemail at [phone].   This episode is sponsored by The Skinny Confidential  Your daily routine done better – with The Skinny Confidential Caffeinated Sunscreen. Subscribe today at https://shopskinnyconfidential.com and get it delivered right to your door – because great skin doesn't take days off!   This episode is sponsored by Cymbiotika  Go to http://Cymbiotika.com/TSC to get 20% off plus free shipping.   This episode is sponsored by Astral House Marg Summer is here. Time to stock up! Go to http://astraltequila.com to find Astral near you - and don't forget the limes! Please Enjoy Responsibly. ASTRAL Tequila. 40% Alcohol per Volume. Diageo , New York, NY.   This episode is sponsored by Spritz Society  Spritz Society is now available everywhere! Head to http://spritzsociety.com to find a store near you.   This episode is sponsored by LMNT Get yours at http://DrinkLMNT.com/SKINNY.    This episode is sponsored by Fora Travel So whether you're looking to plan a trip or build a business planning trips - visit http://foratravel.com/skinny and let them know you came from SKINNY to learn what it means to travel, upgraded.   This episode is sponsored by Boll & Branch Feel the difference an extraordinary night's sleep can make with Boll & Branch. Get 15% off, plus free shipping on your first set of sheets, at http://BollAndBranch.com/skinny.   Produced by Dear Media

The following podcast is a Dear Media production. She's a lifestyle blogger extraordinaire. Fantastic. And he's a serial entrepreneur. A very smart cookie. And now Lauren Everts and Michael Bostic are bringing you along for the ride. Get ready for some major realness. Welcome to the skinny confidential, him and her.

Camora Lee Simmons. Welcome to the show. Camora is discussing her modeling career, which started at the first. 13 with Chanel in Paris, her entrepreneurial journey, founding and reacquiring the baby fat fashion brand, and her emphasis on empowering young woman. She was so honest in this episode and open and just candid. She even talks about insights on bullying in the modeling industry and her parenting strategies, and she talks about her success. It's not every day that someone comes on and they're super open on a mic and she is. On that note, Camara Lee Simmons, welcome to the show.

This is the skinny confidential, him and her. I have wanted you on the podcast. I feel like for six years. I'm so happy that you're here. You never returned our calls. We were calling. No, no. That's not true. I never got any. Because literally when I came in, I said, why wouldn't you just call me? I think you're busy. I am, but I still. would have seen it and then then I would have responded and said hi and then I would have like passed you to the we could have done this like much quicker we could have done it while we were getting pellicure scrubs beach I need to go though you're doing better than me I'm doing I'm doing good with the pellicure scrubs and Michael loves getting head at pellicure it's true only on special

occasions we get the best head they do you guys if you haven't tried the head spot pellicure you're missing out it's really nice it's Japanese technology the best It's the best. It's literally the best for the nervous system ever. And for the health of your hair and the follicle and all that, it's quite technical. It's crazy when they look at the, when you do the camera stuff. Kind of creepy, right? Yeah, for sure. Especially if some of, I've seen some that are like, people have buildup that must be like, I don't know, years.

When they were showing me the buildup of others and so they're going to do it for me. Okay. Don't make her sick as a, I was like, if I have that buildup, I'm going to be very self-con. Thank God. But can I just say, you guys, like for those who don't know what we're talking about, just a quick thing, right? It's like kind of like technology. So it's a camera that takes this ultra-microscopic images of your hair shaft. And just people out there, you guys, sometimes a little dish soap goes a long way.

A little apple cider vinegar in your every, you know, once a month, a little rinse, guys. Like you have to keep the quality of your cuticle and hair shaft. You have to keep that like clean. It's a great tip. And we know because we see it on a cellular level. It's like so odd. It's crazy. We just mentioned shafts and head in the same sentence, and people were getting other ideas.

Well, you said head spa. Head spa. I mean, it's a lot of ideas to get there. Everyone who's wondering, so I am friends with Anna of Pelicure. You guys are partners. Yes. And she has been telling me that you have to come on the show and how entrepreneurial you are and how you have all these endeavors and motherhood and all these things for a long time. So finally you're here.

I think she's like, kind of like my manager. Yeah. And I don't know if people like do this, but I'm going to say like shout out to Anna. I don't know if you say that. It's a weird way. I'm going to say that because I honestly feel like and just I've known her for so many years. And this is my partner that I'm talking about. But I've known her for so many years and I love her. And you don't always have partnerships like that. Like a lot of times you probably don't like the people. I've also had like headaches with people. And so I feel like how I met her, she came with like so much Kamora. knowledge and isms and you know and so i've just kind of gotten to see that over the years and i she works like like she's my manager go here do this call this one you have to do this you have to say this she's bossy yeah very much so she's kind of me and michael's manager too an different one you don't you don't know we love him definitely don't and which is also what i love about her like people will call me and sometimes it's like oh my god your partner and i'll be like what happened and right

the way I can go to and what did you do? Because I know what kind of person she is and so she's very like no bullshit. Wait, can you say bullshit? Yeah. Can you say anything? You can say anything you will. So if we really weren't talking about sex, that's okay? We weren't. We were talking about the head spa. But we can talk about anything we want. Okay, great. I don't have anything to rip too much. I mean, no. We'll see. Let's see where we go. I'm not sure. Let us warm you up. No, I'm just kidding. Okay. I'll take it. I heard it here that you went from St. Louis to Paris at 13 and you were walking for Chanel at 13 years old. Is that true? Yes. That's true. How does that happen? So I was in St. Louis, Missouri, which I always

explained to people is like the middle of the United States. It's like next to like, I don't know, Chicago, maybe. It's like a big city that you know. But other than that, it's kind of landlocked. And it's like we have like the Missouri River, the Missouri. Maybe the Mississippi River touches. I'm not quite sure about that. But it's like, it's giving. It's kind of. It's kind of. It's cows and rural and you know this is where I grew up so I looked for what was there like very very different very unusual there weren't really mixes of people it was like very much a stark line like black or white is black or white that's it and if maybe you were mixed with black and white that was something so like Mariah Carey would be like exotic okay so me I was like a total misfit just looking

weird and looking strange and I never never like fit in and my mom signed me up for these classes to give you confidence and stand up straight and, you know, how to enter a room and have self-confidence. And there I met someone that was like, you know, you could really, her name was Meg. You could really like make something of yourself in this type of business or photography or modeling or runway. Like you should give it a try. And so I did that locally in St. Louis. So it was like Purina Dog Chow or like Tarje ads or something like, you know, like it was in the Sunday Mailer or something like that. And then I went to a seminar in Kansas City.

And there was all, it was like a legit thing. And you never know in fashion if it's legit or not. You're going to these seminars or taking your kids money. You guys, it's the biggest scam in the world, so be careful. But this one was legit. And there was so many agents from all over the world. And I met one, his name was Etienne. And he's from Marilyn Gautier, anybody who's in fashion.

knows Maryland still to this day. She's a big agency in Paris. And the next thing I know, they whisked me off to Paris. They talked to my mom and they were like, she could really do this. I went to Paris. My first casting was Chanel. And I landed the job. And that was, and that was it. Wow. Were you really, really tall when you were young? I was the same as I am now. So I'm six feet tall. I've been six feet tall since like 13. Yeah. My son, Kenzo, is 15 and he's six foot eight. Whoa. So he can say, like, I've been six foot eight since like 14, like 15, yeah. I've been this height forever.

That's cool. Six, four and heels. He's six, eight? Weird, right? It's like a weird. I think it's a weird Asian gene. Oh, wow. I think I got it. I think I got it for my mom. She has it. I think so. So when you go to Paris at 13 years old, are you with your family? Are you staying there for a long time? What happens? No, I was alone because my mom worked for Social Security, so she worked for the government. She couldn't leave. You know, it's very nine to five. You're not allowed to leave.

You're not allowed this, that, and the third. I was an only child, so I had to, as by myself, I was homesick. I was running up $5,000 a month phone bills. Back then, it's like a collect call or like, you actually have to make a call. It's not Wi-Fi. You're paying by the minute. I would run up phone bills, and that's all I ever wanted to do with my money that I would make was like, talk to my mom. That's wild. How long did you stay there for?

So I stayed for some months at a time, like off and on. I had all my books. I went to, you know, I had a tutor. I had a tutor. Sometimes she would travel with me, sometimes not. But I had all my work and all my books. My luggage, in fact, was mostly textbooks, heavy, heavy textbooks. And I would travel with these books. A lot like Ayoki nowadays with her books and her heavy, heavy books and her luggage and paying the extra fees for all these books. Were you very smart as well as beautiful? I was pretty smart. I was pretty smart. Yeah. You've always been really smart? Pretty smart. I would say so. It's like a homeschool program or it's part of the school program? No, no, it's part of the school program. And I had my books and I did my studies and I had a tutor so like you can't give yourself a test.

You need a proxy or a registered tutor to give you that. So I had someone I worked with that was like authorized by the school. And what adult figures were there with you if your parents were they? I was by myself. I went to live in a model. apartment. Like I said, I did have my tutor sometimes on the road with me, but not like a lot. That's kind of crazy for a 13-year-old to do that. When I went to Chanel, the first person that Carl Agarfeld put me with was Naomi Campbell. He was like, here's another girl who's left, you know,

her mom early. I think if I was 13, Naomi was probably like maybe 19, 20, something like that. Were the other models nice? Yeah. Rarely would they nice. They were terrible. Not Naomi, but it was terrible. How did you deal with that at 13 years old? I think I was just kind of young and I think I was a little bit naive and I think I just kind of ignored it. I don't know.

They were older than me so they kind of seemed like old and bitter. And that's a reason like now to this day I will never be mean to like a young girl or a young model or an aspiring hopeful something or I would never be that, you know, ex-wife that like you can come home with a 20-year-old I don't have anything to say about that not home to my home but you can go to your home

and I'm not going to be like dogging her because she's 20 I won't do that because I was that girl so what are the things that they would do oh just be terribly terribly mean like I think anything you've ever heard of in a documentary or in a book has happened like crack the back like hit your heel like around here

so when you walk your heel like You know, because you can bend the heel. Damn. So you're like on the, you know, or like just take your clothes, take your stuff, steal your stuff, push you over, shove you out of the way, talk about you. And so what would you do when that stuff would happen? You were just, you just kind of took it? Yeah.

I don't even think it would always come to me or you don't know. Or I'd be like, gosh, my heel broke. Like who did that? You know, you don't necessarily know. What makes you want to continue modeling after doing all these collect calls home and having this caddiness. Was it just in you? I think when I went to have a job like Chanel be my first job. So I got the job at Chanel and then I kind of stayed at Chanel. That's what people don't exactly understand. So back then it was called like a cabine girl where like all of the clothes for the

haute couture was made on my body for these clients. And these clients are like Princess of Monaco, queen of this, queen of that. And you're standing there while they're making the clothes on you. And you're holding her cheese plate for her to get her cheese. You're looking like a key eating that cheese. You're not going to fit this. And they're literally making the clothes on you. It was me and like three or four other girls. So you just wanted to keep doing it.

There was like a fire in you? So I went to work every day. It's like a contract. So I went to work. That's why I say I would go home every so many months. So you couldn't like just break it. No, no, no, no. I had to go there every day.

I went to 31 Rue Cambone, which anyone knows is Chanel, Coco Chanel's house. And the atelier is on one. floor, her apartment's on another, the offices are in another. It's like her whole, like a townhouse. And I was homesick, but like, don't forget what I said about in the beginning, like St. Louis, Missouri. They weren't very nice to me. And what am I going to do? Tip cows in the evening. I've never tipped a cow. However, my friends have, like the proximity. I can't do it. Is tipping a cow milking it? No, no. It's like literally pushing it over. When they're standing and they're standing there and sleeping and then like they run out in the night and they push cows and

they do this weird shit. I never have done that. You know what she said to me? She goes the other day, she goes, listen, I think we need to get a barn with some like chickens. Me too. I know. And I'm like, who the hell's taking care of this, Lauren? We will. You don't even know? Yeah. I want my dream. If I could show you like any of my manifest manifestation boards or any of my stuff, it's always about a barn and a greenhouse. And I want all these animals. And even now I rescue animals, but I want to be able to rescue all kinds of animals and not have to obviously kill them or get rid of them. I just want them to be able to live with me. And right now my house is like that. I said if she takes on the barn in the organization and the cleaning of the barn and the taking care of the animals, I could be on board.

But I don't know. What did you do? I'm not doing that. Were you the farmer? No, I'm not the farm. No, I don't. Any time. Wow.

I feel like we're not at that stage of like. But then what are you contributing? I'm not contributing. Why would you live there? I wouldn't. That's what I'm saying. Oh, we're on our own? Yeah.

That's what I'm saying. Oh, okay. You know what I would contribute? I would contribute if it was, like, if I could show up to the farm. You're not going to be a farmer? Be such a cute farmer. Maybe later in life, well, thank you. You could farm naked.

Because you have kids. So do you get farm visitation? Yeah, I would get the visitation. You can have some eggs. But you're not interested. My mom, no, I love horses and all the things. I just know. Which eggs?

These are all very romantic things, but they're a lot of work. My mom had horses. My dad, it's a whole thing. So you're kind of a farm and stable person so you know about. it and you don't really love it. I'm like, let me show up to the ranch for a week. We're more enamored by this, the illusion. I want some raw milk and some eggs.

I'd like to be able to leave it and not worry about it. I want to be able to leave it too and travel and do things. I want to be able, you know, I could have like farm hands if somebody will come and work with me and help me, but I think it takes time to build up to that. You can't just be like, I'm getting a farm and I have farm hands. Everybody watch, well, some people can't. Everybody watch Yellowstone. And I was like, hey, did you, the one lesson people didn't take from Yellowstone.

I'm like, did you notice all those grown men that lived in like the size side barn and bunks together. Like those are the guys that are taking care of the ranch. The other guys just sitting up there drinking whiskey. I would do it though myself. Oh, some of it. A lot of it.

I believe her. I believe her. Oh my gosh, I would have like knee over the knee rubber boots. I would love to see this with you. Just one day we'll go to a farm and I'll watch this whole day. One thing about me is I like to change my personality. I would do it.

This is just today. Tomorrow I'm a gem. This is two pieces. Okay. And tomorrow I'll be in my pajamas with my gut hanging out with no makeup. So sorry. Not a gut. It's a baby.

A baby. Did you have context of how crazy it was to be modeling in a Chanel runway show and going to 30, you said 31 Rue? Campone. Okay. Did you have context when you were young or did you not know how gnarly that is? So, okay, we were kind of talking about that before and I think I got off topic, which I'll probably do a thousand times. That's my ADD. But I don't think I knew it. I think I was taking it all in as I was going. It was very fantastical and like lights, camera action. the runways are like, you know, the runways are probably like some of them like five feet tall,

a lot of feet wide. So, you know, you're very elevated and it's lights and I think I love it and just the music was so good and it was so loud and it drowns out everything when you're walking and I don't know, I kind of love it. And don't forget, it was like a rock or a hard place. That's where I was. Do you want to go to St. Louis and be picked on or would you rather be in Paris at 31 Rue Cambone with supermodels picking on you?

take your pick because you're going to get picked on. So I just kind of took it. And I stayed to myself and I'm an only child. Don't forget. So I was kind of okay. I'm really independent. I was a latchkey kid. I can let myself in.

Not going to lose my key. It's around my neck. Not today though. To me, it's so surprising that you were picked on because when I see you now, you seem so confident. Because I was picked on. So how did that start to happen where you gained confidence to not be picked on? it never happened until I was an adult and I started doing my own thing and then I

became a model but even then people were picking on me so then I had to figure out how to get out of modeling and for me that was with fashion so I started a line at a very young I started baby fat at a very young age so I think just my young adulthood is and by then now I'm married and I had Mingy and, you know, I think it was like, I don't think I ever got over it. Probably to this day, which is why I advocate so much for young girls and young women. Right now, before I came in here, I was literally on a conference call with a lawyer because someone's picking on my kid in the modeling industry. Like, it's a problem. So I advocate for young women. And even when I was always doing my shows and baby fat shows in the 90s and 2000, you know, I would never treat a model like that

some of the things I went through and some of the people that we know that still to this day are very famous editors and such and they just their behavior is a little different I would never do that I embrace that I know that these young women are someone's kids I have my own kids I it was just terrible so I'm the opposite I like I try to take girls that look different I try to take girls of all shapes and sizes like I love you if you're super thin and I love you if you come with all the but all the junk in trunk. I've had girls come to me crying and saying like, this is my last casting. My agency said my boobs are too big. And that's what made me hire her. Jessica White was one of those girls. You remember her? I have like so many stories. Chrissy Teigen told me I gave her her first

job. Like I have so many stories in the industry of just, I would not be that person. And I think that's why so much maybe goodness has been afforded to me. I think it's like kind of a blessing, kind of a karma. I think so. Do you think it's, worse now or when you were younger in terms of bullying? I thought it was worse when I was younger. I thought it had died down. I know obviously of lots of stories from Ming and Ioki, but only now seeing, like, for example, what's going on with Mingy, I realize, oh gosh, it's, you know, I even told you

that. I realized, oh, wow, I'm shocked. Someone would be doing that to my daughter, to me and to this young girl, that that's crazy. So I'm realizing it's going on still now. How are you going to help her to figure it out and solve it? Like what's the advice that you tell her that she's getting bullied? What do you say?

It's very tough. I try to say like I try to use things as like as learning lessons. So, you know, you have to advocate for yourself and you have to like read the fine print when someone tried to sneak you on a contract and put something in there. You know, they're young girls. And so I say like how do that's happen or did you look at this or did you? You know, and she'll say, like, well, it wasn't meant to be that way. It was meant to be this way or the person said this, but they didn't write that. And so, you know, you wedge yourself into situations.

You have kids. They can wedge themselves in the situations. But I try to use it as like a learning, a learning, a life lesson for them. The bullying is so ridiculous, too. It's so much easier to be nice than to bully. I think so. I think so, but I don't think other people think that. I feel like.

They're like mean. Or they're like grumpy or they can't. tankerous or they're angry or I do think a lot of times it's not even like about you right it's not about me I think it's just that's how you were yeah or you you had something going on on your own on your own time in your own head I think I think it's like a confidence in an insecurity issue typically people are lashing out like that are battling a lot of insecurity right exactly I think they're battling something and having grown up with that doesn't really phase me in our world you're a super confident happy it's unbelievable you would never be engage in that behavior it's it's

It's the people that do that there's something that they're, an issue that they're already trying to work through. I agree. So I told my kids, first of all, I tell my kids to stay out of the comments and stay off of the internet. If you go looking for shit on the internet, you're going to find it. Like if you go looking through your man's phone for something or your woman's phone, you're going to find what you're looking for.

If you go looking for shit, you're going to find shit. So I first of all tell them to stay away. Now, do kids stay away? Absolutely not. So then when they come crying about the things that didn't stay away from, I say, like show me that what's going on. They show it to me. And I'm looking at the name.

I'm about to say, I'm looking at the name. There's no followers or there's something. You know, look at their page. Like, look at this stuff. And quickly, I say, do you see what this is? This is probably like a 90-year-old man. I don't know what. Who is this person?

It's a faceless person. I always say this. Behind a screen or, you know, like we call them like keyboard gangsters. Who is this person? and who are you? And you hopefully would have raised your kids or you know you would have put a little something in your friend's back, battery pack, right?

Like, do you know yourself? Because we really don't know these people. R2D2 at whatever, whatever. Like, look at the names, even. I don't even know what it is. Do you know who R2D2 is, learned? Yeah. Do you?

Yeah. Okay, good. It's a Star Wars person. Yeah, I know. I don't know which one. One of the metallic one. He's an astromic droid. Is he the gold one or the little one?

He's a blue and white. and Star Wars comments, he knows it all. You have 30 minutes? No, I'm just kidding. My birthday is May 4th. May the 4th be with you. When, after working with Chanel, what was your next big endeavor? So then I went on after probably a couple of years, and I started doing like modeling all over

because now you're not in a contract. And I think when you leave after having like years job with Chanel and being the face and being like the muse for Carl Agrafel, you can get probably any job. So then I got all of the job, you know, all of the runway jobs and all of the things. And by now I'm cooking. I'm like a model. But then I was remembering that people were always so mean. So how do I get out of here?

Like what's the closest exit? And I thought it was so funny that you would get paid all this money and like all these people come to look at you. It was always so strange to me. Because I grew up the girl that everyone said was so ugly. So that's weird now. You're here to look at me and then you're paying money to get in or you're buying these clothes. It was just so odd to me.

and it made me realize so if you broke your leg tomorrow at school, you know, or you got chopped off by a bus, I don't know, God forbid, something happened, no one's going to want you anymore. It's like over that quick.

So by now this is like, how old am I? 15 with these messages, 16, 17, 18. And I had to think of something else to do because I couldn't stomach being in an industry that was like so built on like the fluff of like how you look alone. And that's the whole thing about sex cells and beauty cells. Like now I know, but keep in mind, I was navigating this as a kid. So I'm figuring this out

on my own. And I'm figuring out it's not really a place I want to live. To be that young and to realize that is crazy. I remember when I was like 21 bartending and I had a guy friend of mine be like, you can't lead with your looks. You need to find something else. And you almost realize that at 15. It's like you have to create value in something other than your looks because it's fleeting. Yeah. Looks change. Like I said, you could be, who knows? This pregnant. Another thing, that was the thing. I had all my kids on the runway, walked down the runway, so I could be big, small. I don't have the pressures of being, I'm not a Hollywood actress.

I'm not, you know, I'm a business person. I can look how I want to look. You're an entrepreneur. It sounds like it like literally 16 years old. You figured that out, but you didn't maybe have the word. For sure. It could have even been an accountant. It could have been a bookkeeper. It could have been something else because I was watching my money and like down to the FedEx and counting my stuff. So I don't really know what the word was, but I was something. And I didn't want it to be model. How many of the women that you kind of started with still like had longevity in the career like stayed?

Oh, many, many, many. And how many kind of fell off? Is it like what's the, I guess I'm asking is it's not, I'm not familiar with the modeling world outside of talking to some people that have done it. What is like the ratio of people and the longevity, you know, once you start to compare it to you kind of get thrown out. Do most people stay for long periods or is it a lot of people? You mean of girls that I discovered?

Not girls you discovered. No, that you worked with. Girls that I came up with? Yeah. Like how many of them actually have long careers? No one in the modeling industry I don't think has done what I've done. I can't name one. That is not a surprise.

But I'm wondering like... I mean, there are a few. Hold on. There are a few. But like, let's talk about who they are. I can, I know them off the top of my head. Like Heidi Klum. Yeah.

Yeah. She didn't do what I do, meaning she's not making clothes. She's not creating a lifestyle for young people. and multi-generations of people different. She's more of a producer, a TV person. She does what she does. But not really a brand. She does have a brand, but it's a brand that many people have that brand.

And she took it, I think, like top model for Germany or something like that. Tyra, Tyra created top model. But that is her brand. But it's not really selling clothes or something like that. I don't know that there are girls. Now Heidi had a bunch of kids, so I count that. But it's not a lot of girls that had like, like you were a model and then you had a family and you were married and you had lots of kids

and then you had multiple different successful businesses I really don't know who that person is. I guess in the reverse of that I was asking like what happens to the majority of people that don't I don't know yeah. Naomi is still is working but she's as a model that's different. Some of them are still there but the rest of them I think they maybe went on or maybe they're married or maybe they're mom you know moms or maybe they do have businesses. sure quite many of them do. I just don't know what they are or I haven't seen them anymore or you know it's like a class reunion. You guys see me. I don't know. All right. All right. Got it. Got it. Got it.

I want to have a class reunion by the way because I'm wondering where all these people are. She wants a class reunion. Back then I wouldn't. Back then I would never ever go. I was like, oh, I'm on the cover of this magazine. Send that. That's enough. Or oh, I did this. Send that. That's enough. But now I actually want to know where people are. And it's only because I remember the few nice friends I had, not like to find the bullies. I wouldn't even necessarily remember them like that. I want to find the friends that I had. I'm sure the bullies are not feeling great.

What is the first entrepreneurial thing that you did? What age? I think it was off on my own modeling at 13. Yes. And after that, it was probably starting a brand, starting baby fat. and I was probably 21 about. I'm not exactly sure. How do you have that idea at 21 of what sparked that idea?

How did you find the name? How did you get the brand? Remember, I said, how the hell do I get out of here? Where is the exit door? So I'm looking for an exit. And by then I would have been married or at least like engaged. And my then-fiancee husband had a clothing line for men and wanted to do one for women and came out with all of these crazy clothes that look like men's clothes on women.

And I was like, we don't want that. And every time I would come in and be like, we don't want that. Like, ugh. What did he say when you said that? And he would be like, yeah, you're right. Like, what do you want? And so I just started taking the stuff and turning it around and giving girls what they wanted. And so it just, I launched a line.

I started the woman's counterpart to the men's line at that time. Did it take off right away? yes and no it did in the sense that I had a lot of model friends and so I would put the girls in like a baby tea like this is like a classic piece and so now you have all the cute girls wearing your stuff and you're just giving it to them which is one thing I say right now about to people when they say how do you like make it as an entrepreneur you know how do I get my product out there I'm like just get it out there just give it to your friend like loan it to them give it to them put yourself in the fashion show at the local high school, right? Make stuff for someone's red carpet appearance. Get yourself

out there. If it's on the other side of the microphone, get some place where you're interviewing your friends, talking to someone, meet someone at the Starbucks and interview them. Whatever it is that you want to do, get yourself there. It's free. It's interesting because you were doing at 21 what people do now in a different way. We call it user-generated content. We're like, I'll give someone an ice roller and then hoping like maybe they'll use it on social media in like a really seamless way. You were doing that before this was even a thing with your model friends and just hoping that they would wear it or talk about it. For sure. It's cool. I realize now that I was doing a lot of things then that were the first now. And there was no social media. And I only know it because there

was no social media. All of the marketing was ourselves. You know, we had to figure that out and do it ourselves. We created a whole kind of licensing model that you use your name and create a product. And then came a lot of other artists that had brands and, you know, rappers and musicians that would go to do TV and a lot of cross-pollination of your name and your likeness. We kind of taught, like, built that model. And now I see girls are like, oh my God, I have my first, you know, fragrance or I have like a skincare line that's inclusive of all kinds of skin. Or I have a makeup line that has all these colors and all these shades and everyone's so excited and I love it. And then I think, like, oh my God, I did that. Yeah. Already 20 years ago. It's wild. I don't even feel old enough

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They're always dropping exciting new flavors and throwing fun events. Sprit Society, summer starts here. When your ex-husband, who's successful on his own, and he's so successful, but then he sees his wife becoming so successful with her line, was that a trip? Or was he like, I'm going to give you all the business tips and advice? Or were you, like, on your own? So yes and no. But what people sometimes forget, and sometimes they remember, is I was already successful when I met him in my way, in fashion. And he was already successful as a music and hip-hop mogul and founder, you know, like kind of a... Founding father.

It's like two successful people coming together. You just got more successful. And I was much younger. Yeah. So actually. How old were you when you got married? Relativeness. I was like 21, young.

I was like 16 when I met. Did you like him right away? I was young and he's like 20 years older than me. So that's a whole other. Michael's parents are the same. Your parents? Yeah. Yeah.

They're still together. Yeah. We're like 18 years. That's like a normal thing. My second husband will be 18 years older. Your next one? Yeah. When you're not moving to the farm?

Yeah, the farmer. Well, the farm is probably what's going to break us, to be honest. See, so then now we already know. She'll go 18 up, I'll go 18 down. Oh, yeah, that's how it goes. We'll call it a 36-year gap. We'll split it that way. You know what?

I care about the brain. Yeah. So. The mind. I got enough brains around me. Guys don't always want that. They want them girls to like shut up. I don't really know.

I do like to be around women with big brains and big personalities. That's very true, Michael. Yeah, I feel like you're putting you. I get, I thought you're going to. say big breasts. Maybe my ADD brain too. I will lose a lot of interest if I don't have a little bit of a sparring thing. I think so too.

I think, well, that's because that's what I have to offer. So that's how I look at life, how I frame it. But I do know, I have plenty of friends that don't want someone that's so intelligent in a partner. They don't want your opinions.

I don't want you. The brains rattling around like an old ping pong wall in there. I need it to be like stuck in there securely. Yeah, I meet ping pong girls. Frank Sinatra said it shouldn't be a staring contest. True. Oh.

That's true. That's a good quote. That's a good quote. I know a lot of guys that want a staring conduct. Huh? They want him just to. I think that's like fun for a minute. And then you're like,

okay, what do we do. You might. We know, we know what it's fun for. Yeah. But then let's skip the whole preamble of the getting in the car and the going to the dinner and doing the whole thing.

It's just like, well, because we're just going to sit there and look at each other, you know? Well, you just want to jump in the sack? Might as well just get to it if we're not going to talk about anything. That's called a high end escort. You know what?

You have to be chivalrous. Is that dead? You have to be like nice, like date, court. I think we're saying, tell us we're beautiful. It would be hard for him to be. It would be hard for you if you need some brain between the years. I would prefer not to split up because I know I'd be an absolute disaster at this point, any kind of date. I wouldn't know where to begin like in one way.

I would just be totally. If I had to go and start all over and do the whole thing. All he has to do is write at Lauren's X in his bio. That's true. I would create a dating profile and I would use a bunch of pictures of. I'd be like, I'm the X, and then that would be my trap. Because they want to go to Christmas with us. That's true.

You know what I mean? So my first baby daddy used to always say when we were friendly, he would say, I get so much P-word because of you. And don't do that. Don't laugh like that. You're going to have Braxton Hicks right now. It's going to start cramping down low. I get so much pussy because of you. He would say that.

And I would say, that's right. And I'm glad you know that because you're my bitch. I would say that. Well, it is true. But he'll tell a different story, but this is... I think guys get a lot of pussy from who they date before. For sure. Sorry.

And I think a lot of girls over there have come and gone thinking that they can replicate that situation, but not knowing or being aware of what I brought to the situation. What I brought is not what you bring, honey. So therefore, it's a little different. It's a staring contest. I'm going to say after meeting you, it's going to be hard to replicate. It's been hard for most. It's going to be hard.

It's going to be hard. That's what I'm saying. Like, just like maybe not give me the headache. Just let me just kind of just stay in the lane that I'm going on. I almost like want you to go see what's out there for like a couple weeks and like go see what's out there. No, that is how break babies come about. No. A lot of extra baggage could come from that.

You have to be careful. That's what doctor. We just had Dr. Drew on. and he told us that he has never seen a like three-way couple or three-way situation work out ever in all his years. Again, the long term. I know Drew, Dr. Drew, and I like Drew, but I don't agree with that. But I'm not a doctor, but I don't agree with that. Because I know plenty of people that have very nice, successful relationships, and it works.

And I know plenty of people that you all would know. And every person in this room would know, like, the most famous people in the world. and they have decent relationships. And I think it's because maybe... With three people in the relationship? At least. Oh. And the reason I think it's okay.

Well, hold on. Are you talking about a thruple, like living in the house with these people? Or a person that kind of goes in and out, like how you said, go two weeks. I know people that do that or bring other people in and they're fine. No, he was talking about like a thruple where there's like the guy tries to be with two. Are you sure? I've seen it. I've seen it.

And it works. Absolutely. Sometimes I think it's because one or the other of the other of the person in the relationship, the relationship is such. So uneven, not weighted the same. And so I think one or the other person maybe feels like they kind of have to do that or kind of have to give into these wishes. I know a lot of women, young girls, like get into that because they kind of feel like they had to to keep this guy or to keep it. They felt like pressure.

So then if that's true, where are they going? They're not going anywhere, really. So it ends up working is what you're saying. So it can end up working. I know very happy relationships where it works. I wish I could give you guys all the names and the tea. What do their names rhyme with? No.

No. No. I can't. You can't do that. Because I'm not even good at that. I'll say the name. I'll be screwed. What are the initials?

No. All right. Let's move it on. You know what? Though, she does know a lot of really, really famous people. And I could see how maybe for really, really famous people, there's certain exceptions. Well, thank God we're not really famous. Let's move it along.

Or guess what else? I've even had situations happen where I have friends and my friends. And my friends, guys or girls, are like dating whoever, a guy or a girl. And they'll say, like, okay, I'll give you one example. One of my friends said he was a guy, he said he was dating this girl. And he was like, oh my God, I was dating this girl. And in her phone, like whatever we went out, and she was talking to another guy, so-and-so, who's like a very famous guy.

We all know these people. And so she was talking to them, and I think she was in a relationship with them. So my date or my thing with her didn't really work out. And I realize that because they're my friends. And so I realize that they're living like an alternative life. So there's been cases where I didn't even know you were doing that, but I learned it because someone else was saying they lost their girl or their guy to this other situation. So I'm like, oh, I see how people are living. Okay.

And I don't say anything when I see them. If they didn't tell me, I'm not going to say it. Is it called a swinger? Is that a swinger? It's kind of a swinger or kind of a thruple or kind of a couple or kind of. kind of a threesome or kind of a menagerie. I don't know. It's got some different names.

An arrangement? No. Maybe. Like. An agreement. A situation. Didn't somebody say that? I mean, listen.

To each its own, I feel like. It just seems like a lot to manage. It could also be called like an affair. It could also be called like a lot of things. We don't know where it falls on the spectrum. Okay. But there's a spectrum. And I know both sides.

I know some and where it. some on the end where it like ruins their life. And I know other ones that they're like thriving. Good for the ones that are thriving. What is the time in, and we're taking a tangent again, what is the time in your company, Baby Fat, where it like hit? What happened? What was something that rocked the company or was it not in a... Something good? Yeah. Or was it like a really slow build exponentially? Or was it like something that someone wore? Oh. So I don't think it was, no, it wasn't what someone wore because it was a lot of people wearing a lot of things. It was a time and it was a movement and it's one of the best movements of our time, which was the late 90s and the early 2000s.

To this day, people are dressing, wearing like, I literally have pulled out a bag to wear today. This is like an old Chanel bag. This has got to be at least 20 years old, you guys. Anybody who really knows their brands and their Chanel knows this bag, it's old as Methuselah. My point is we're still chasing that 2000s vibe, the late 90s. So it was a movement. And I think what the movement was is a couple of things. But I think I was speaking to women, young women, single women, married women, women.

And I was giving them, first of all, a lot of fashion, because I was from all the high fashion runways, I'm giving you a lot of fashion and insight and style and style. flare for a buck for a dollar right my jacket is not like Chanel one of my favorites it's not a Chanel jacket but I'm giving you kind of style and flare and design so the girls felt like they were getting something you maybe didn't get that Chanel but you could get that baby fat gene it's like a lifestyle maybe you couldn't afford this fancy watch but you could get that sneaker right it's a lifestyle and so I think that's why it kind of took off like wildfire and to this day it's like a time that we love, like think of the time that we came from, right?

It's like Jay-Z and Beyonce. It's like, I don't know, think of that time. It was like super cool. Oh, I remember it. To this day, it's still the good music, it's still the good clothes. It's still that mesquino belt. That mesquino belt that you have on, you could have bought it today and you very easily could have bought it

not 20 years ago because you don't look old enough, but someone could have gotten that belt 20 or 30 years ago. The chunky, the letter, the way the letters are the block letters. Like, come on, we know it. It's a time. And I came up in that time. So that was one thing. I gave them a lot of fashion.

But the other thing I think is I gave women a voice. I gave them an independence. I gave them something that they could like aspire to or like I was kind of like their girlfriend. Everyone's home girl. I gave them something else to look forward to and look up to about themselves that maybe they didn't have before on their own. I also think like I used to watch your show and how many years was a girl?

go as your show. A lot. Okay, I used to watch it and I remember being like younger and watching it and being like that's a strong, I didn't have the word entrepreneur. I didn't have that word yet. Yeah, me either. But that's what I was, a strong blank. You were like one of the like sort of, I don't want to say first entrepreneurs, but you were in, in a, it's like a mogul. I would say like a mommy model mogul. That was my thing. And I got it's so funny that you. say, I didn't know that word. Or you asked me, like, did you know the word entrepreneur? I think I learned it quickly just from being in like international fashion circles and certainly from being in the music industry. And, you know, I think I've learned a lot. I've learned to emulate a lot. I

grabbed like the bits and pieces that were fabulous. What do you run with the company? Do you run the logistics, the operations? Are you picking all the fabrics? What is your, today? Yes. Everything. So we, I built the company many years ago, then we sold the company. Okay. And then recently I bought the company back. So it's kind of like a rebranding. I didn't know that. So you bought it back. Yeah. So like, like COVID. Okay. How long did you have the company when you sold it? I don't know. I don't know. Maybe I don't know. 10 years, 15 years. Were you happy when you sold it or did you miss it? Oh, I was so sad. That was another thing I learned about business. you build things up to sell them and get rid of them. The best, the worst thing that you could do, sorry, is to be emotionally attached to something great that you built and not be able to let it go and hold on to it long after it, you know, the value has peaked.

Okay. I've learned that. And I've also learned when you get rid of a company or a brand or if you sell the name of this show, you can still go on to do other things because the value is in you too, not the two of you, not only the name. So if the two of you did this under that name, the two of you can do this under another name. I learned that.

So once you leave or sell it, you don't want to try to come back and get it again. So what happened? You went back and got it. I went back many, many years later. Got it. And then came this resurgence of Y2K. And, you know, now you have like the ice spices of the world. You have Rihanna bought the whole baby fat past collection.

She brought all the archives or vintage archive, whatever. She had someone going to get. So like, look at all the cool girls now that are still. embracing Y2K. It's a thing still. It's in the pink that we wear, the lip gloss that we wear, the way that we style our hair, the Jordans that we wear. It's, you know, look at Paris Hilton. I see her a lot. She's still embracing it. Like it's a movement. So when you look back on everything, how you sold it and then you bought it back, you like the way that panned out. I'm asking for my own self with my own brand. I just, I'm curious, like you like how you got rid of it. You took fresh energy.

It was very tough. I think when you get rid of a company, I stayed on then as an executive and creative director. It's very tough because now you work for someone else. You work for yourself, but you work for someone else. And when people come in, I find that the name of the game for them is like to make the most money for the least amount of input. Whereas you were trying to give them all the quality and all the things and all the, you know, do the business the right way. So I've noticed that when people sell their things, it tends to shift or sometimes decline or the marketing is a little bit different. So you have to get your footing is what I'm saying.

And then if you want it back and you can get it back, fine. Like I did do that many years later, but usually you don't want to go back and get it back. You want to do it again. Are you happy now with getting it back? Are you like loving it? I'm happy now, but I said it's been like through some COVID toughness. Yeah. And so it's just now starting to pick up and turn around.

And to be profitable, I guess, if you would. It's been a journey because you're putting everything in yourself and you're, you know, it's baby fat is a legacy, you know, brand, meaning I did it when I was a kid, and now my kids are here doing it, and my kids will have it, and maybe even their kids, you know, it's when you think of brands like that, it's one of them. Like if you think, I don't know, Ralph Lauren's been around for a long time. Tommy Hilfiger, Donna Karen. I've been around a long time.

So it has many iterations. How were you managing having a cat? Like a cat, like a baby fat cat. And if you guys are watching YouTube, she has a cat on her shirt. So go get excited. Go get excited. It's a pink baby that show. And Hello Kitty.

Our daughter loves Hello Kitty. Yeah, our daughter loves Hello Kitty. Anything Hello Kitty. When you were building your brand and you were a mother, what did that look like? How did you deal with all the different things you were doing and you were doing a reality show? So I just was telling somebody this the other day. I didn't know at the time that I was doing it, what all I was doing. I didn't know that.

I just thought it was normal. So I would bring my girls. I had two little girls because my boys didn't come until later. I had two little girls. I think that was maybe easier for me because they were like like me under me. I'm doing makeup. They're playing with the makeup. I'm trying on clothes.

They're playing in the clothes. I'm wearing heels. They're playing in the heels. I think for me it worked. And they went everywhere with me. Like go to work with me. They would have a playroom or a play pin in my office. It was like take your kid to work day every day.

Like how right now you are sitting here and pregnant. You have kids at home. you have kids here, it's fine. I didn't know that I was doing something. I only was just trying to do something. I didn't know until later, and also when you start to see your counterparts and what they're doing or not doing, that you start to realize it. You're just normally going through the stresses of your normal day. You don't realize you're doing something entrepreneurial or you don't realize then that working women don't usually have time for family and are not afforded and allow to stop and have a family. You don't realize that. You don't realize a lot. You don't realize a lot of

lot of the shit that I've realized after the fact. It sounds like your whole career has been just like you throw yourself in and you're almost naive about it and you just make it work. I throw myself in. I'm naive about the goodness of it. Like I might not know the success or the impact until later. But when I'm throwing myself in, I'm kind of carrying a village with me, which is like a village of like I said, women, young women, single women, divorce.

overseas. When I was younger, they were young girls like me. They were moms. They were young moms like I was. So it's, I feel like I always have like the city on my back. Like the girls are kind of with me. So I'm also fighting for them. I'm building something. I'm teaching them something. I'm showing them something. I'm giving them something else. Another lifestyle, a way of life, something to aspire to. I think for me it's always about like building. How are your kids so smart? I don't know. I've heard this from multiple people. I think it comes from the mom. All the mom.

What? I think that's scientifically proven. Really? Yeah. I think so. You can look it up. Yeah. It's a scientifically proven thing that the intelligence comes from the mom.

How are they? Have they always been smart like this since they were little? Or is it something that you noticed later on? Too smart. They're too smart when they're young. Lauren told me, is this true that they're like genius level smart? Is this really true? Or is this is what I've heard?

So they're all, my kids are geniuses. Like she's not being funny, you guys. Like when they were younger, being in Ioki, that's the first two, they went to Merman. Okay. Merman is the only gifted school certified in, I think, California or L.A. So you have to actually take an IQ test and rank at a certain number above. Like you can't pay your way in. No, no, no.

It's an IQ-based thing. Okay. So all of my kids have taken this test and scored off the charts, and the two younger ones actually went to Merman, which we love. And then one of them went to Harvard? Is this correct at a young age or something? So Iyoke, she's 22 now. she graduated Harvard at 20, I think, or 21. Oh, they're really geniuses.

And she got in at 15. Harvard, I'm not allowed 50 feet within Harvard. They're like, don't even come near us. Wait, how does she even know to apply to Harvard at 15 years old? Because they went to Merman. So I think it's like a kind of a... What do they do in Merman? Like what are they...

It's a gifted school. It's kind of a prep school. So you definitely are allowed to like push to the maximum of your creativity or the maximum of your intelligence. There's no such thing as like you're this age and you're in this school. grade. If you can do a billion more math levels up, go for it. They don't like throttle you back and say, hey, you're good. No, no, no. Our system is set up very much like you're this age, you're in this grade. That's how it has to be. You call it school. How old are you? Okay, we put them in this class. They don't care that some are below that level and some are above that. And you're either in

the middle or you're struggling or you're bored. That's how it is in the classroom. How did you know, though, to put them in the school? Like, where did you see like, wait, might, my, kids are gifted. So I learned it only when they were in elementary school and and certainly for Ayoki because she started even younger. Meen graduated as well from NYU but she was on a normal time. She didn't go like three or four years early. But I think it was because my kids sometimes were struggling in school. Yeah. And almost like a little bit bullied because like you're off reading your textbooks at playtime. You don't really have friends. You're your, you're, you're, you're, goals and your interests are kind of not what they're doing at the school what they think is cool you

don't think is cool you're studying history they're playing with toys you know what i mean so it's i started to see that because they would get kind of bullied and i would do research and actually my littlest wolf he's 10 his dad also my husband another husband when i met him said do you see you know how the girls are in school and the troubles they have do you know that gifted kids are oftentimes treated or kind of ostracized or kind of, so you should test them for being gifted. And I did and they were off the charts. And so then I switched to trying to find an institution of learning, Merman, that kind of catered to my kids and they're like differences. Certainly for Ayoki, because again, she was the younger one. She started younger on this journey. But I tried,

you know, as a mom, you want to go where if your kids are great at doing Legos, you're going to want to find a Lego school or an engineering something or a, You know, you just try to put them in the atmosphere where they can thrive. And did they thrive right when they got in? For sure. And all the other kids, when they graduated Merman, they're going on to, like, grad school, even or college level. Our kids were going to high school level.

These kids were skipping that and going to college. And Yoki could have, too. But I didn't want her to do that because, like, you can't even get a job. Was she, did she go to Harvard the school at 15? Or is she taking it online? No, no, she went to school four years. She got in at 15. So I think you get accepted, right?

And then you go that fall or whatever. So I think she was, her birthday's in August. So she probably was 16 when she went. But she got in at 15. And then Meing models too, right? Both model. Both model. Both went to school.

Both have graduated. And then what? And now we're trying to figure it out. And do they like modeling as much as they like academics? Nobody. Okay. So Yoki loves her academics. Okay.

Mingy, not so much, even though she's super smart as well and got really good grades, but I don't think they, I don't know if they love the process as much. Modeling, Yoki wanted it so bad, and I think it's probably proven because the people can be a little bit different and shallow and whatever. Yeah. So I think that has proven difficult for her, whereas Mingy didn't want it as much and kind of found herself stumbling into it, you know, and is doing well. both are doing well yokey was on the cover of september vogue september teen vogue can you show us a picture of this let me see that's so cool what i mean wow but i told you that mom never tested me for merman i well i think i have a theory that michael's gifted and i haven't talked about it on the podcast oh you have to and there's this your son or you no wait do you have a son yes your son

no oh you i think he's gifted She's like, I don't think so. Okay, now I don't know the picture. I don't choose that, but this is the... That's amazing. This is her Vogue cover. So cool. I don't know why she's like looking down and up with the camera like that.

That's amazing. And it was supposed to be, I think, like a little ode to Chanel. I think she's wearing Chanel and I think it's like a Chanel look, so it's like an ode to me and Chanel. So it was kind of like very sweet. Like, then the pictures get kind of made for her. Is it weird to see your children modeling for you? Very. Yeah.

Did you want them to do it? For me, not so much because we've done everything as a family. They've come out on the runway with me. And so for me, not so much, but to see you go out in the world and subject yourself to a casting where they're going to look at you and make you strip down and jump in circles and clap your hands five times and then look at you and you're too fat. No way. Or you're too ugly. It's a lot. And to have to hear those things about yourself, whatever you thought you were, you're not.

And it's tough. So I think as a mom, I didn't really want that for them. But too late now, they've been, they're in it. I know, but maybe they'll probably do other things with it. There's so many things to do now. Definitely. I don't think that you go into modeling to, like, stay into modeling. I don't think so. And I feel like Yoki is like obviously super bright.

She's worked in the mayor's office. I feel like she's a politician. Her degree, she has a double major at Harvard. So one is political science. and the other is history. So I feel like she's a politician. She's going to have to marry someone who's real smart. It's not going to be able to be a staring contest for sure.

We can't have a staring contest. No, we can't have a staring contest. She doesn't want a staring contest. And Mingy's like a spoiled princess, and I feel like her thing is more business. I can see her getting an MBA. I can see Yoki being a lawyer. And what about your sons?

So they're younger. Wolfie's 10, and I have Kenzo and Gary. They're 15. Okay. They're twins. Not twins, but people always think they're twins, but Gary was adopted. Okay. From Jamaica. Okay. A personal adoption, so we are all family and friends. But they're both 15. They're both 15. They're both 15 and 10. Two freshmen. Yeah, they're both freshmen in high school. And they're amazing in sports. Gary plays football and Kenzo plays basketball. And Kenzo, he's a freshman, but he's on varsity.

And he's 6'8. And he's 6'8. And they just won the D-1 championship. for varsity ball. I mean, all he has to do is walk up and go like this. And he's the youngest one on the team, and he's the tallest one in the school. I had the reverse problem. I got there and I was playing football. It was like 115 pounds. Michael was 4'1.

And some guy that was like 6'10, 300 pounds just literally tried to tackle me. He just literally stepped over me and crushed me into the floor. Then I was out. Yeah, football I find you have to be really strong and really tough. It's a lot of concussions going on. You might be gifted, though. We'll get you tested at Merman. No, Lauren's on this big thing where it's like she...

No, he is. This is what happened. Well, it's just a psych, it's just a psych test or an IQ test. It's not at Merman, but it's for Merman. But any doctor, like a psychiatrist or a psychologist, yeah. So I was driving the other day. This is true. I was driving the other day and I had a premonition literally come from nowhere saying

Michael's gifted. About him. And then it said, Michael's gifted again. And then it said, pull over and Google gifted. I'm not lying. I'm very intuitive when I'm pregnant. I think so. I have a clear point.

Well, I will say. Clearly. So I went home and I started Googling all about it and he hits, and I don't know about his IQ, but he hits every single thing it says. Like he, that's not just like a happenstance. That's not by chance. She was telling all her friends that maybe something was off with me. No, no, no, I wasn't.

One of my friends is out. No, something can seem a little off. That's why when you were saying how smart are your kids and I was like, they are as smart as they drive me crazy. But they were not saying nice things about me being. off. They were, it wasn't like, these were not complimentary. I was like, I don't know. They're not saying complimentary things. Yeah, I was like, I don't think

it's like a double-edged sword. When you read the list of gifted things though, you, it wasn't it. To be, to be, well, okay. Like what? To be clear though, it's not about an, it was not about an IQ thing as much as it's about a thought process thing. I think so. I agree with that, like,

some, somebody organizes their thought process compared to somebody. I can see that. Yeah. He's all kind of a part of it. Deep learning. high cognitive capacity huge highly developed reasoning they're huge readers he reads probably an hour to two hours a day curious strong moral compass but there's negatives too there's perfectionism and he he has the perfectionism going on well i'm quarter japanese that's a part of it yes self-criticism it's that's also that's also you're part japanese i'm japanese korean my grandma is full japanese is japanese i'm

quarter. My mom's half Japanese. I don't, I don't, I don't get a lot of the traits. My sisters have the hair. I don't. He, you could see it because I have guys in my family that look like you. If I showed you my, she passed. My grandma's name was Michiko. Michiko. And she was a tiny Japanese woman. Oh yeah. And when people would see me like, who the hell's that? I'm like, that's my grandmother. Yeah, yours is just a little water down. Yeah, it happened. I have Wolfie. Wolfie looks a lot like you. Yeah, it just a little water down. That's a good way to put it. Yeah. Wait, look at my son. Yeah, let's see your son. There's a potential for difficulties in social settings, which he had when we were young.

I don't know. There's this book. I'm sure that you've heard about it. It's called the gifted. I think it's called the gifted adult. Look at how crazy this is. So the little one is Wolfie and the big one is Kenzo. Oh, my biological.

Gosh, you guys. Crazy, right? Is this like on social media? Have you ever posted them? Yeah, I posted them. Not this particular picture. This was at Wolf's Party the other day, but I post them, yeah. The world knows them.

Kenzo is on my show before. He was born on the show. Oh, that is so cute. They're like men. And his hair has died there, so it'd be a little bit darker. Who needs a boyfriend? I have my son. I don't, like, I'm good.

I'm going to just have him live with me. Someone just told me I was in love with Kenzo. I mean, that's okay. The boy you're going to raise. It's going to be soft as hell. She sings him to this song where he's going to live with us forever. I'm like, no, I say he's living with his mom for the rest of his life. No one but his mom.

You want to know what's, you know, you want to know who's going to be able to. You wonder who's going to get bullied? You wonder who's going to get bullied? Our son, if you don't cut that shit. Well, you have to have a balance, I think so, because Kenzo is balanced. He's into his sports. He's on the team. You know, he has his teammates.

He's a very good boy. He's not like, you said soft. He's not soft. But he's very kind and sweet and smart, and I love him so much. So it's a balance. You know what? Let's introduce some to Zaza. Listen, when you're 6'15, you don't have to be.

Six feet. You don't have to be on. That's seven foot. You don't have to, of course he's not soft when he's six foot eight. But I had to teach him the opposite then, though. I had to kind of speak to that. And I probably shouldn't do this as a parent. It's probably like some kind of discriminatory.

But I had to say things to him coming up. Obviously, this was only in the last past few years because you're not that tall as a baby. But the past few years, I would find myself saying like, you know, you can't just, don't act like that. You're too big to act like that. You know, like stop screaming and having this tantrum like that. Like, look at you. People from far away think that you're in. adult. So I probably have done some of these things that you shouldn't do. You shouldn't say

look at you, you know, look at how you're acting or don't cry. You shouldn't say that to a boy. Gentle parenting says you can't say anything now. Oh, girl. I'm from St. Louis. I am not gentle parenting. My kids got their ass beat. They've also handed me my ass, not physically, but I'm saying they've kicked my ass too. I'm cursing. I'm screaming. I'm throwing things. I'm not like, I'm not, you're not going to have a black eye, but you're going to be grounded and have gotten an ass whoopin. Like what you need. How do you manage to raise children that are confident and not spoiled because you have? They're spoiled.

Okay, but it's- Ming, they're spoiled. To me, I think all of us think maybe that our kids are super spoiled and a little bit entitled to us as the parents I'm saying, right? Yeah. They are entitled to just their access to you. They feel like you can do it, you can handle it, you can solve it. My mom, you just got done saying he's never going to leave. He's always going to live with his mom. Yeah.

So that comes with my mom can do it. My mom's going to handle it. My mom and dad. Yeah. then as they're older, you're like, hello, you're like the broke bestie. The broke bestie. Lauren goes on every podcast. And she goes, the number one trait I'm going to get in my kids is resilience.

By the way, you're going to live with me for the rest of your life. He's too. I can say it for a while. We do have to teach our kids resilient. I know. I think some of that, a lot of that has gone out the window over the decades. Agreed. They're not, they, this workforce, this generation, they're very different.

It is very different. Mine included. Like, I'll go ahead and just bundle all the kids up. Now, yours are younger. And mine are, my, I'm talking about, you know, that 25 year old, 20-something year old. It's, it's tough. That's what I'm hearing. Generationally, like, if you hire them, they don't ask, like, how I acted when I was younger.

They don't want it, like, how I want it. I find sometimes, like, I can't even hire someone great to help me. They don't want to do it. They don't want to come to work. They don't want to speak. Like, we're all over the place on our podcast, but sometimes I say these things because I want people to pick up these bites and, like, don't do that. You have to want it.

You have to want something more than I want it for you, people. You have to want something for yourself. You have to study. You have to put into the work. You have to show up. You have to do these things. Your parents can't do it. Your friends can't do it.

Your friends' parents can't do it. It's not going to be handed to you on a platter, even though you may think it. Some people are a kind of silver platter kind of people and some are not. The platter is not there, really. You have to kind of get in and do the work and get. get your hands dirty. You've got to have grit.

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Like, you're not going to have an exceptional life working two days a week. Don't expect an exceptional life working two days a week for a couple hours a day. Rick Caruso was on right before you. Okay. And he was just going off on this about, you know. I bet he would. I'm sure he would. Well, he's like, you got to get in the office.

You got to work. And that's why I always encourage kids to get an education. Even if it's not a formal education, get out there and learn something, study something, be an understudy, help someone. When we came up, when I came up, I'm older than you guys, but when we came up, and I'm that person that's like, back in my day, you know, you would work for free. You would prove yourself and hope to get a job. You would come in as an intern and hope one day to run the company. And you can. That's what dreams were made of. That's the American dream. Nowadays, it might be a different American dream. But when I came up, it was a different American

dream. You could work for yourself. You could pull yourself up. You could make something of yourself, you could create these opportunities from nothing. Yeah, it's funny. Like running, we're doing the show, but running this business, people come into the first things, I'm going to just do a little of this. How do I make money? How do I make money? And it's weird for me because Lauren and I started this show, and we didn't make a dime for years. And we were working other jobs and doing other things while we were doing this thing for nothing. Right? It was just like, you have to put the groundwork. You have to put your work. I put my own money in it. I own my own time. I'm building.

I'm failing, getting back up. It's this attitude where people, I mean, listen, don't even just take this, but any creative endeavor, they want to know how much money first before they take the chance. So let me get this straight. You want to be able to work on your own terms, on your own schedule, live the life you want to live. Yes, they don't even want to come to work. But you want to be paid for it first before you decide. It's just not, it's not realistic.

I agree. And you know what I think also did it? I think in a lot of ways this was just like not a good time. COVID. So that means I'm talking about recent years, not just 10 years ago or. you know, I think that was a time because then you started working at home and then I saw things change. I saw things because I was one of them because I had reacquired my brand. I saw people fall off because they could not translate or transfer their business to online.

They could not talk to people like how you guys can communicate with people over this thing. They didn't know how to translate their brand to the social media platforms and being on the phone and taking your conference calls or maybe doing a podcast. from your house, they didn't, they didn't get it. So I saw people just, like, die off. And I saw other people that were adaptable. And then we saw other people that just flourished. I'm also the empathetic now as the years of past to people that started their first job or got out of college and started their career in those circumstances and thought that those were the real circumstances. But guess what?

Oh, yeah. They are kids that, like, meaningly, they didn't know any different. Yeah. It's horrible. Or, like, they start a job and it's like, hey, you just work from your house and do it. you want. Do what you want. Show up in your pajamas. But that was their reality. But this is what work is supposed to be like when many of us who had never worked that way. There was a huge adjustment. I'm like that is nothing like what it's really been like. And you know what? Like I've never

showed up to work in my pajamas. Oh, don't even get Michael started. When we came up, is this a Japanese thing? Maybe. We used to have something like what is it called free dress Friday or casual Friday. Yeah, that tells you that you're supposed to be. Casual Friday is like, you know, you're maybe like in like a shirt. Now it's like a fashion show. Casual Friday now is for these kids dressy. Yeah, casual Friday. I don't think I've known him for 600 years.

So how long have you guys known each other? Since we were 12. Oh shit. I know. We haven't done to gather that long. Oh, you're working the farm, buddy. Where the hell do you think you're going? Put your sweats on, bitch.

You're working the farm. We're going to put up like an electrical fence around you. You're not getting out of here ever. At the end of the day, I really do have no say. You're 100% right. You know? You have to watch what you say. on podcast because like how I said I'm going to put the fence around you, you're never going to get out.

They'll play this back some long time from now and like say, see, she said then that she was going to do that and now she's kidnapped someone else currently and look, she was, that's how life is. I've never seen you ever since you were 12 years old show up in, I don't even want looking sloppy. He's always like, he's very anal about being put together. I love that. Me on the other hand. But you're very put together now. Today.

I'm not saying that I don't, I'm not put together. I mean, I'm not saying that I don't like, I'm not slouchy sometimes, but I'm saying at work. I am never slouchy when I need to show up and make a difference or show up and put my back. Putting your best foot forward is not in a fuzzy slipper, you guys. That is one thing with my grandma. And it doesn't have to be some fancy, expensive thing we're talking about here. Just make it clean, put it together, be presentable. Feel something about yourself, kids.

What do you feel for yourself in your fuzzy slippers and your plaid pajama pants? there's so many of those in my house my grandmother like if you weren't on point and like not Japanese grandmas will not play that No no no no like my sister's trying to try to do that She would not just like say like hey what's going It wasn't a nice delivery

It was like but also culturally It was not how meticulous I mean they're very regimented And even rigid they might say culturally I think you know what she did when she when she passed away Literally that same day she went Got her hair done dialed in just went to sleep I love it I think that might be me

Like fully just got her hair done No I'm not ready now but one day and I will write I'm going to write out my own stuff my own like will and everything I'm going to do that I love that because I'm going to tell the kids I don't want to be on a t-shirt she was more put together dead than half the people of me

you don't want a t-shirts you know how people make t-shirts they look like there's halos around they look like a concert t-shirt I know what she's talking about t-shirt I know black people do that okay t-shirt we do that not so much the Asian side but you know don't make a t-shirt of me I want full hair makeup if I'm sick and even a little bit starting to decline I need a contract that my kids know, I need to like maintain a little bit. Oh, you're saying a t-shirt with your face on it. When you pass away, sometimes people want to make these things. Do you want

Anna to give you a polycure scrub before? Maybe. I don't need a scrub. A head spa? Maybe. I want hair and makeup and nails. So do I. If you're deceased, you don't need the scrub because in the skin. Who's in charge of that? We got to, I'm going to write it down. That's what I'm saying. You have to write it in your will. Now, I know that sounds a little bit morbid to people, but again, I'm saying this for a reason. I'm saying it because I want people to know that you have to think about planning or what happens if you're gone or if you have children. You have to think about it. You can't be the type that's like, oh, I don't want to think about it. Nothing's ever going to happen. It will. One thing for sure is that we're not going to be here forever. So you want to look good.

You want your affairs to be looked after. More importantly, you want your affairs, your business to be, you want your kids to be okay. You want them to have some. Some lessons, maybe a little coins that you left behind. Maybe, I don't know. At this point, organize yourself. Go out of the sweatsuit and that's what you go out of. I won't do that. At this point, what does it take to date you?

Oh my God. Like, who, like how do you even find a contender? So I did say this thing, like I would say, I want to date someone that has more than me. And I realize that's tough. Like money wise or? Everything wise. Everything wise. financially, business.

But then I started to learn that was a lot. So then I changed to... That eliminates 90%. It does eliminate some. There is no one left. So I changed to have what I have. Okay. Equal to me.

Okay. But I don't really like equal. And I'm not like a 50-50 person. I want to be kind of totally looked after and taking care of. And having said that, I am the highest maintenance person for myself. I maintain myself and all of my children and my family. So what I am asking of someone else I do for myself and I am happy to continue doing it for the rest of my days. I'm not asking for something that I don't have.

That's really self-aware, by the way. A lot of people, they want a 10, but they're not a 10. Yeah, no. If you're going to... And I don't even mean by looks. No, I'm not talking about looks. Okay, because I don't need you to be a 10 in looks. I'm talking about, like, if you're self-aware and you're like, I'm an 8, then go for an 8.

But if you're a 10 and you sound like you're a 10 in every area Some people are going to be off in their numbers, their math, this is all wrong. Because what if you think you're A, my friend, you are a 4? Okay, let's take you. With two teeth and they're crooked. What are you going to do? You're a 10 and you're looking, what you're saying is for a 10 because you're a 10 and that's what you're giving off. In my mind, I am.

I think so. You can't always, I think I am. You should think you are. I don't know what other people might think, right? Some people might be like. I'm a 10. we think we are Do you think she's a 10?

Yes How is someone I'm going to answer that? Did she kick you under the table? Michael's a 10 I feel like Oh so you guys are equally You're evenly yoked He might be a 95

I think she's a 10 I think you're kind of cute But I'm going to have to say 9.5 I'm going to have to go with them You know what honestly I think I'm 8 And I'm going to be an 8 An 8?

No, this is just self-deprecation You're getting ready to go too low You know good and damn well You're not an 8 think like a Brad Pitt's like a nine nine and a half. What is it is a 10? No, no, no, no. But I'm saying like, yeah, yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Oh, you don't think I'm a 10? Yeah, 10 is not. You don't think I'm a 10. Okay, but that doesn't mean, no, no, no, but here. No, no, no. You have to gauge it though. If he doesn't have tens in his life, that might mean the maximum for you is a nine. Oh, no, no, correct.

So that he might think you're a nine because a nine is the maximum for him. No. Right. That feels like scarcity mindset. The only 10 in my book is Tom Cruise. Tom Cruise is a 10. You look like Tom Cruise. Oh, gosh.

No. No. Did you set that up? No. Tom Cruise is vertically. Not in looks. Not. I make this argument all the time.

Tom Cruise is a 10 because there is no higher than you can go in the celebrity world. Think about it. Who's higher? I'm saying. In terms of what? In terms of everything. Kevin Costner? No.

I think Kevin Costner's. Sorry. No way. Think about it. Okay. If you're out and you're running about. Sean Connery. No, hold.

Sean Connery was, he's dead. But he would have to be. You want only people that are? Let's settle the debate. Okay. I've thought about this lot. If you are out and about and you're out and you're just running around town.

Tom Cruise is the white whale. You don't see him out and about running around. You think plus he's still relevant. Plus his movies are all good. And you can name 40 of them. You're just saying this because we said you look like Tom. I think that you are projecting. If you see Kevin Kosh, that's a good siding,

but that's not a Tom Cruise siding. Think about it. Think about it. If I saw Elton John, now I'm in a whole other category, but I'm going to say the same thing. I'm going to be excited. That's a lavender marriage.

You're going to be excited, but you're not going to be shocked. Yeah, we would be shocked. I'd be shocked if I saw Elton John. That's scarcity mindset. He just saying, because Tom never really leaves the house and doesn't walk around to get Starbucks.

Because then what about Eddie Murphy? I don't know. I think he thinks he's like Tom Cruise or something. I don't. I'm just saying nobody's been able to really, you know, people say, oh, what about like... I feel a little Tom Cruise thing coming from you. A little Ryan Gosling. Could it be Ryan Gosling? Christian Baal. No, not on a looks deal. Oh, that's a good one. Not on a looks deal. I'm just talking about... So we know who your celebrity crush is. It's not Christian Bale.

Okay, no. Not that type. Yeah, I like Tony Sopranos. I like the illusion of Tony Soprano. I definitely would have married him. See? I definitely could have been like a Sopranita or whatever that's called. The head of the family. I don't know. Don't you like the sopranita is a little soprano. I could have been a mama soprano. I need to understand what at this point in your life what your list is tough. I don't know. You don't know. What does someone have to do to get your attention? I don't know. I thought we could put it out into the ether. I should. This is bad. This is bad. I should. I know. I'm real. I feel bad. My friends are

going to be like, what were you thinking? Okay. I'm going to put it out to the ether. Yeah. You guys have to give me some choices and I can say yes. I'm really. I'm real. I'm real. I'm really. I'm Do they need to be, do you want them public, not public people? That's a good one. I don't really want public, but I don't mind. And that's only because I've had all my marriages, which is most of my relationships, have been quite public. I think if I were picking for you, I would say a little bit more private. Younger or older?

I am definitely at that age where I will, it can go either way. You could have the daddy and the son. Don't get it twisted. I feel that. I feel it could go either way. And that's not even being funny. That's just being normal age group. Normal age group.

I feel like if it's the sun, though, the sun's got to be really smart and evolved. And they're not. Yeah. And that's why you said Tony Soprano. Uh-huh. Yeah, I get it. I get it. I like the power of that.

Same. But I tried to marry that and look what happened. It backfired on me. Yeah, well, maybe I don't know. Or maybe it was like a little too cocky. You know, I don't know. Maybe there's an ego that comes along with this power that we're talking about that we're looking for. Yeah.

I don't know. And I feel like guys are equally looking for beauty. as much as women, let's say, would look for power. I don't know if guys are looking for like a powerful bad bitch. I don't know. I think that certain, I think ones that are quietly confident are looking for a powerful bad bitch. Because you are that and I'm that and we're that. So we're going to have to think that.

But I don't know if it's always true. You have, your husband thinks out about you. But in life, I don't know that. I think you might be right. It's hard to find a guy that's comfortable with a woman who's extremely strong and has her own point. And look where we are right now in our time. I'm not sure. It's giving barefoot and pregnant vibes again.

They don't want you to be independent, bad bitch. I don't know. Or maybe they do, but they don't. Maybe they're kind of attracted to it, but they seriously hate it. I have issues. I have trauma. I can lay all this out for you. I've seen a lot of things.

And not even just personally for myself, but my friends. I've seen things. Yeah, it is not easy to be in the position that you're in. Like, you're so strong and you're so. so powerful and you. But I can be very, I have a soft side. I believe it. And I don't think I'm like strong like this like in bed. No, I think I'm like, what is it? Submissive. Yeah, I get that. I actually get that. I was telling someone the other day. I'm like, not submissive like a starfish. No, no, no, no, no one thinks you're a starfish. Okay, thank you. Let me just clarify. Do you guys

know what starfish is? Do you know what starfish is? Okay. You just lay there. I'm not just laying there. No one's picturing starfish. Don't worry. Oh, like in the bed. Is she a starfish? No. Oh, my god, I was asking him, Jay-Z. Okay, let me know. Go ahead. Am I a starfish? No, no, no, no. You're answering for him.

No, I just go ahead. She's like Cirque de Saleh. Not right now. This is Cirquezsche. Okay, I approve. We like that. We're going to know each other pretty well here. I'm proud of you.

But I don't, I agree. I have masculine energy when I'm at work, but when I'm home with my husband, I want to be submissive to. I get what you're saying. Same. Because, honestly, though, again, if you study this, the spectrum, right give yourself a little line there we all mankind we're all on this spectrum of you know feminine masculine super soft super strong we're all on the scale everybody i don't care what you like or don't like or what you think someone else is trust me we're all on that scale it just is kind of

like politics which end and there's somewhere in the middle your sexuality and your strength and your powerful vibes that is all on a on a scale as well So having said that, I am very manly. I'm very fucking manly. No, I could see you be able to tap into both sides, both sides. But not manly in the sense of like, like I said, in bed, I would be more submissive. Not man. I'm not doing any weird tricks.

As long as you guys are picking us up and carrying us around, you know, then we're good. That would be terrible. I'm not carrying anybody around either, and I'm very tall. I could talk to you. But I don't mind the short person either. hours. I'm so confused that you don't have a podcast. You need a podcast today. I'll come when, if you're sick, I'll come with you. That's why we came. Or no, you're the one that's going to have a baby. Yeah, great. You guys can podcast together. Would you allow me to come and

like talk with your husband? Please. You know what? Actually, that might be pretty funny when it on. And I could give you baby tips. And we could act like it's like the him and her show still. I would honestly. It's him and her friends. Why don't you guys do four episodes together? And you could interview like people you think are interesting. I would do it. I think that's why our manager. Anna sent us here. I think this is really what's happening. That'd be funny, right? If I had a new co-host for a while?

You should... You're being a little excited about this. Your co-host is this co-host for the rest of the life. You know what she told me that is? She goes, I'm going to stop for a while and you just like do a few shows. I said do four shows without me. You know, I don't want to just... No, you need a sidekick or someone.

Or like, you need, I think, that energy, a girl. You should have her on for four episodes. I bet she has amazing ideas for guests. We're going to talk after this. anyway because you're a natural on the mic you told me you were going to talk but we should we should we talk about okay so we have a plan everyone who lives in l.A go to pellicure get a scrub get a head spa I'm telling you it's my absolute favorite place to go where can everyone find what you're working on what you're doing all the things baby fat tell us where I'm working on baby fat

um I guess online yeah babyfat.com right some stores but mostly like down online I have an energy drink called Celsius that's like a really popular energy drink wait what I have an energy drink The whole office is surviving What do you mean you have an energy drink? I own this energy drink We know. I'm an investor

I'm part of this company that owns, you know, Celsius That was a good investment Oh that old small one She's all I have an But now I have a restaurant called McDonald's

No But now it's so crazy Because that was one of the best Investments I had ever made That's another thing We didn't talk about But invest your money you guys Even if it's a dollar

Invest it Safe but the only way I think you can really grow your money is to invest. And it's been one of the bains of my existence because it's been kind of a point of contention with others around me lately. If you Google it, you'll know what I mean. But it's been like one of the best things of my life and also one of the, not Celsius, but just having it has caused some problems for me.

But yeah. Celsius is a big deal. Yeah. Everyone drinks that. It's a big deal. I rang the bell on the NASDAQ. Did I ring the bell with Celsius? I think so, right?

Good for you. So where can everyone find your Instagram? They probably already follow you. My Instagram is Camor Lee Simmons. And Ming's Instagram is Ming Lee Simmons. And Ioki's Instagram is Ioki Lee Simmons. And then I have Kenzo and Gary. That's really cute that you pimp your kids out.

Thank you for doing this. Because they have to be like, why did you say yours and not mine? Kenzo's, I don't know. Kenzo, K-L-H or something. And Gary's is a very weird word, weird name. We have covered a lot of ground. Thank you, Camaro. Thank you.