The Bossticks - Lili Reinhart - Top Anxiety Tools, Stress Management Tips, & Embracing Self-Compassion

Episode Date: December 19, 2024

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The following podcast is a dear media production. She's a lifestyle blogger extraordinaire. Fantastic. And he's a serial entrepreneur. A very smart cookie. And now Lauren Everts and Michael Bostic are bringing you along for the ride. Get ready for some major realness. Welcome to the skinny confidential, him and her.

We grew up in the time of People magazine and, you know, seeing at the newsstand at the grocery store, pictures of celebrities without makeup on with the headline like, ugly. And, you know, I would grow up watching America's Next Top Model with my sister and watching them stand on a scale in front of everyone else and say their weights out loud. And I was watching that when I was 13. So I was seeing these parameters that I had to be in. I was like, you know, I didn't want to be a model, but I was seeing the... these just like, oh, this is what women are supposed to. Okay, so I need to fit in that. Lily Reinhardt, welcome to the show. You may recognize her from the CW Teen Drama Riverdale.

She's also a huge actress, and she has the skincare line Personal Day. By the way, she gave you guys code Skinny, 15% off on Personal Day.com. She's major on Instagram. I feel like she has like 30 million followers, and people sure do love her ASMR on TikTok. In this episode, we discuss the challenges in the entertainment industry. We talk about performance, ambition, mental health, anxiety. We even go in to the balance between achievement and fulfillment. It's pretty deep. It's very self-aware.

I have to say, and I said this to her at the end of this episode, a lot of celebrities will go on podcasts or shows, and you can tell they're super guarded and almost sometimes in a way robotic. and she is not in this episode. She's very much a human having a human experience. And I think as a listener, you guys will appreciate this one. Lily Reinhardt, welcome to the show. This is the skinny confidential, him and her.

What points did you know that you were made for show business? When you go way, way back and you reflect on your childhood, is there an epiphany? I mean, I would force my face. to watch me perform, where are you Christmas from The Grinch to them? So I was like Cindy Lou Who performing for them and they would just have to listen. Like you just are gonna sit on the couch

in the living room and listen to me. It's weird because I was a little bit shy, but I guess I would love to sing and do little... I liked to make my family laugh, I think, was more so what I was going for. But then I would also sing. I was just a little theatrical child and then I went into theater. But yeah, I was performing for my family.

And did your parents know that there was something sparkly? I don't think until I started doing actual community theater and then it was like the parents of the other kids or whatever coming up to my parents and going, your kids really talented. And I think that was sort of, you know, I think I don't have kids, but I imagine every parent thinks their kid is talented or not. And so to have some other people come up to you and tell you, oh, your kids actually preemptive. pretty good at this. I think that was the validation to, for me, it was to pursue my parents never, no one's in show business in my family. So it was kind of just something that I wanted to pursue. And then they were told, hey, yeah, you should go for it. Lauren's dad still thinks she deserves a Grammy. You know, like he's still to this day. And why doesn't she? I think I can, I can really sing, I don't mean to Brock. The Little Mermaid. Oh, yeah. Just won all of the songs? It depends which mood I'm in, but I think I have a, I have a, I can, I think I have a real voice. Her dad is the perfect. He's listening to this, I promise. He's the perfect example of like she fully believes like in everything she does, which is amazing. That's amazing. But it was a bit delusional at times with some of the singing. I love the delusion. I believe. What is the

background and the grit and the behind the scenes before you quote unquote make it? Oh, a lot of for me, a lot of anxiety. Well, still today a lot of anxiety comes with this industry. But I mean, I wasn't a, I don't want to say I was a child actor, but I kind of was in the sense that I started pursuing this when I was 11, 12, like theater. And then from theater, I went on to pursue, it was like, oh, you know, I'm from Cleveland, so there's only so much you could do there. So I pursued, like, modeling was kind of how you got your foot in the door. And then from modeling, you would go on auditions. And it was sort of building blocks. of performing starting in community theater for me.

I mean, I couldn't have done this without my parents and my mother who would drive me from Ohio to New York for auditions, just an eight-hour car ride where I was 13, 14, so I was not driving. And my mom was just booking it the whole way for me. And we would go, she would be driving our blue minivan in New York City, which is a hilarious thought to me now. Every time I'm in New York, I'm like, you couldn't pay me to,

be driving here. It scares me to be a passenger there, so I can't imagine driving. And my mom would take me, we would use my dad's hotel points from work to, like, book a hotel right outside the city and then drive into the city for an audition. And it was just a lot of that. What was shocking to you when you started to get into the industry? Was there things that you just couldn't believe that now maybe feels normal, but at first was jarring? It's a good question. I guess kind of the, you think that you're going to reach a certain point where you feel satisfied or satiated and then you never do. That's entrepreneurial of you. Sure.

And it's also miserable. But is it kind of nice too in a way? I think that's like ambition, right? It's ambition. You've literally said what she just said to me. You think you're going to reach the top of the mountain and then you climb the mountain and there's like 20 more mountains to climb. I think that's it. Yeah.

And I go ahead. No, no, no, I just, I've always found, like, I remember I was sitting around one time, and I just thought it was strange that some people's ambition is to work so hard for so long that so one day you can basically just stay in the same place comfortably. Yeah. Does that make sense? It does make sense. And I think when I started thinking about that way, I'm like, oh, that's strange. And so then when you make peace of that, you're like, okay, I'm just never going to be comfortable and I'm always just going to be going. Yeah.

I mean, I would pray for myself that I don't get there. But it is, it's sort of the nature of the beast. And I think, yes, in this industry, but in every industry, if you're super ambitious and if you have anxiety that kind of boosts the ambition, can be a good thing. But also, I think it can kind of hurt me in the sense that I reach a point that is, you know, successful. And then I want more or it's not even that I want more. I just like I'm aspiring to keep going and to pursue different things and like reach a different point in my acting career. it's always sort of like, and I imagine, you know, you know, they tell people, they're like, don't try to win an Oscar in your 20s because then what do you do for the rest of your career?

But I'm like, but I'm sure winning an Oscar in your 20s would be sick. But like, you know, but yeah, the pressure of what do you do if you achieve everything in a short amount of time and then you have to keep going. And so I kind of give myself grace with that idea because I do feel this industry perpetuates this idea that you need to do things, quickly while you're young, especially. And, you know, I'm 28 in the way that I think about my age and my head, I feel is very unhealthy because of what my industry has taught me is that I'm in my prime. And if I'm not in the prime of my career right now, that I'm failing. I'm reading Lucy O'Ball's book.

Oh, okay. And she says that in her day, you were out of your prime at 25. That's horrifying. But I also feel imagine that. I mean, for like, I feel like for our generation, they try to like manipulate like maybe 30, 35, maybe 40. Yeah. Hers was 25. But if it makes you feel any better.

Yeah, that is sick. I'm a decade older than you and I feel like I'm just getting warmed up. Well, that's great. But what she's saying is her industry is it's different than your industry. Like, as a woman, there's a pressure in the acting world that if you're not a certain age, like you're disposable. Sure. But don't you? And I know I totally, we've interviewed all different kinds of, you know, well-known people that have said that too. Yeah.

They feel like, if you feel like once you reach a certain age, there's like an undertone, it's getting better. I think it's getting better. But it's also like it's so hard in general just to even get your foot in the door of this industry. And then it's also incredibly hard to continue to level up in this industry. So you find, you know, a lot of people if they start off in this career doing one thing, they continue doing. that one thing, whether it's a genre or a type of like television show or, you know what I'm saying? Like the step before they reach, you know, what, you know, I don't want to give. I mean, we all are just trying to level up, quote unquote.

Yeah. And I think as an actor, that's like stepping into more prestige film, for example, from like, I was on a teen, you know, young adult television show. and you think the level up is going into more like a prestige film career. You feel like you have to evolve. Yeah, you always have to evolve. And to get that, for me, to get that kind of satisfaction. And I have had many a conversation with myself and my partner and my mom.

And it's sort of like if I continue to look at my career in my life that way, I think I will be miserable forever. And this is like something that I've very much been dealing with very presently, but also just the last few years of my life. If I continue to think about my career as something that I always need to be, you know, getting, like, not getting better because we all want to get better with what we do, but that I need to, like, outdo myself or outdo others or continue to climb this ladder that literally will never have a top to it, I will be miserable. And so I need to reframe how I think about my life and my career because I think my whole 20s I was on Riverdale and was experiencing fame and how kind of crazy that is to experience in your 20s, but then how you step out of that

and people expect something of you. They expect you to keep going and do this and do that and make these like similar moves to your peers. And everyone, you cannot compare two careers. Like truly everyone has such a different trajectory. And I think comparison is such, is so evil and awful that I've really tried to step away lately from social media as much as I can because of it, because I feel that it's having such a negative impact on how I view myself and my progress, because I'm measuring it against others. And that's so just not, that's what's going to keep me in misery, is if I'm comparing my success to someone else's success. It's like that person's a different human being and living a different life than I am. I will be truly stuck in misery if I allow myself to compare the

success that I have to someone else's when we're two different humans. And I think, and I know, I will be much happier if I view my career as a part of my life rather than my whole life, because I I think I'm 28, but so far in my 20s, my career really has been my whole life. And I think that's what has contributed to a lot of anxiety and depression. And I would like to be happy in my 30s. It's very self-aware and honest. Yeah. Thanks.

Like a lot of people don't have that self-awareness and they're not honest with themselves about the things that are, I guess, stealing joy from them. Sure. Yeah. I will tell you, I at your age, was very similar with achieving. Achieving. Achieving. Yeah.

Achieving. And something that's helped, this doesn't work for everyone. It works for me is having children. It kind of like level sets you a little bit. I can't explain it. It balances you and it sort of recalibrates what's important. Exactly.

Through their eyes. It's interesting. But also something that really helped me and I'll DM it to you after this episode is Tony Robbins theory on the art of achievement. No, the science of achievement and the art of fulfillment. Okay. So you're talking about the science of achievement. And if you look at his theory on the art of fulfillment, that balances the leveler. I would look into that.

That's like what I have found has helped me balance. But also, we've talked about this on the show for years. Have you heard of experience stretching? Stretching? Experience stretching. No. This is Michael's favorite. It's not my thing.

And I can't remember. Settle in. It's not. I'm settled. I'm settled. No, I'm settled. I'll do it real quick, and it's not mine, but I heard it once, and it like clicked for me, because I used to also be achieve, achieve, achieve, achieve. Yeah, yeah.

Still, like, still have ambition, but I've just been able to kind of look at it differently. Then experience stretching is essentially, like, say you go and win an Oscar at 20? No, no, no, I'll get to that. But say, I'll give you a different example. Say you go and you can never afford a vacation before, and one day you get to go on this vacation, you're sitting a beautiful hotel, and you're looking at a sunset. Like, this is the best life can ever get. A year later, you go back, but now you're not in that same hotel, but now you're in a hotel suite. And you have champagne.

This is the best it can ever get. And a year later, you're like, okay, now you're not in a suite. You're like, you're on a yacht. You know, this is the best can ever get. Yeah. And then the fourth year, you go and you stay in the same room that you stayed in the first time. You look at the same sense. You're like, this is the most miserable I've ever been.

It's like the thing that used to make you the happiest now makes you miserable. And that's what happens with people that achieve a lot and stretches. Like you're stretching the experience so far. That even the greatest thing that at one time gave you so much happiness is now makes you miserable. And so in a career example, you could have a great year where you get all these gigs and you do great performances and you, you know, make a great income. And then the next year maybe it's like not that.

It's like it's still a job, but it's not what the prestige level. Yeah. And it's like years ago, that's what you were aspiring to and now it makes you miserable. And so it's just like a perspective shift where a lot of times like success breeds misery if you don't have the perspective of saying like, okay, this is still amazing. And you've accomplished a lot at 28. Yeah. And there's a book that my therapist had suggested to me that I'm listening to on Audible. and it's called the gap and the gain.

And it's basically, do you know that? Oh, okay. I don't know the author off the top of my head, but it's basically how we measure ourselves against what we don't have versus how much, how far we've come. So living in the gap is basically saying, well, I don't have this yet, but living in the gain is saying,

well, look how far I've come and look at what I've achieved. And I very much live in the gap presently where I'm like, oh, but I have this much to do rather than things. thinking, oh, but I've done so much in my life and I've achieved so much that I'm so proud of. I don't sit in that moment and be present and happy with that. I go, no, we need to do that. And I'm measuring my own success against what I don't have, which is, you know, creating a sense of lack. And to live in a sense of lack in a time where I feel incredibly, you know, privileged to do what I do and to have the things that I have.

It's just a moment of like me knocking on my own head saying, let's stop with the comparison against the other people in my own field and things like that. And be thankful for what, you know, when I was 12, I never in my life thought that I would actually be a working actor and have the opportunities that I have and create a brand and get to talk and meet with all these people. Like I just didn't think that that was possible. But I'm living that, that idea that I didn't think was possible. when I was 12. So remembering that rather than thinking, oh, but I have so much further to go

is the goal. I think it's like that's why people look sometimes and they're so shocked by what on the outside looks like the most successful people being so miserable. Absolutely. Like how could that person be unhappy when they have all the things? It's because this is just human nature. You know, you no matter how much you achieve your old, what is an avalsacea's desire is a contract you make with yourself to be miserable until you get what you want? That sounds about right. I'm trying to. Why not to live that way? But it's, I mean, it just comes with, I think, time and experience.

I mean, both of the same with us. Like, everybody's trying to figure that out. I will tell you, though, I think it's so important that you're vocalizing this while you're in it because most people wait until this chapter is over to then talk about it. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? No, yeah. Like, you're in it. Yeah.

And I think that for someone with 23 million Instagram followers and all of these accolades and your product line and all these things that you're doing to be able to say this out loud, is to me really refreshing. It's like, it's, I mean, for lack of a better word, it's real. Yeah. And most people, they do wait until the, the chapter's over. Do you know what I mean? So I think, like, walking yourself through this in real time is probably very nice for the people that follow you.

I always try to be, I never, I'm not here to put on, it's my job to put on a show for people. So I think in my real life, I don't, have a poker face and I can't bullshit anyone. I just don't have the energy to do it, quite honestly. It's like I just don't. I'm not a high octa. I don't have a lot of energy in general. So I'm like, that takes a lot of energy to like put on a facade or to pretend. And sometimes you have to do it if you're going through something personal and you have to push through, which I've had to do many times. But as we all do, we have to show up for work, even when we don't feel like it. But I think when I do

have moments like what better time than when I'm sitting down for an hour to talk about my life and my life experience to just be honest, which is, yeah, I'm very much in this point of my life where I'm struggling with this concept of trying to just be happy and satisfied with what I've built for myself rather than comparing myself to everyone else. I got off TikTok. I'm on TikTok, but I don't go on TikTok for the last three months. And it's life-changing. This is so weird. But I had this like energetic vibe that TikTok when I would watch it, and I'm sure everyone feels like this, sort of made you feel like you were in a daze.

And by the time you were done watching it, you didn't know what you watched. And then I thought about it. And I'm like, oh my God. My friend and I were talking and she's like, Lauren, it's like TikTok, tick-talk. Like a clock. That's exactly how you feel when you're on that app. It's like someone's hypnotizing you. Yeah.

I swear to God, that whole app is designed to put you in a subconscious. No, especially this one, though, Michael. You don't watch it like other people do. Michael does X. Okay. Yeah, I just got off that one. Yeah, he does. I don't go on that one because that's, if you're going to watch X every single day,

I hate to break it to you, you're consuming the news all day long. For sure. I don't want that in my ether. For sure. But TikTok is like that. Oh, yeah, TikTok's much better. I'm saying I got off. I can't, I don't want to do it.

It's a waste of time. It's good for the ADD, which I have, but it's also horrendous for it because Instagram doesn't feel the same. Am I right? I actually don't like Instagram. You don't like it. I like TikTok actually because I have curated my, well, right now my 4U page is literally just wicked clips, which is great and I'm not complaining.

But like usually you can curate, like if you like one video on TikTok about spirituality, your entire for you page becomes about that specific thing. What's your for you page? I didn't know to like it. Show me your algorithm. Yeah. You have to like it. I wish I could just make it Louise Hay.

You probably could. That's what I would like. Maybe my phone's listening. I heard you're a lot to reset the algorithms now. Maybe I'll go like all Louise Hay's stuff. Sure. And then you'll just literally, you will just see that mostly. So my TikTok actually feels like quite a safe space for me

because I, you curate your for you page in a way that you, You're seeing the stuff that you, I'm like, I'm happy I go on TikTok and I watch all these behind-the-scenes clips of Wicked. Yay, I'm happy about that. I love to see Cynthia and Ari like holding each other's fingers and crying. I think that's very sweet. Do I need to take my four-year-old to see Wicked or is it too much? Oh, I don't know about a four-year-old. Too little.

What is Wicked? What is Wicked? I have no idea what Wicked is. Maricio dressed is the witch. The Wicked Witch of the West? Isn't there a witch in it? I've never seen it. No, no, no, I've never seen it.

My algorithm is... Guys, I'm not watching Wicked. My algorithm's a little different, I think. What is... Do you know who Ariana Grande is? I know, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But how do you know who she is and not know what Wicked is? I know what Wicked is, I've just never seen it.

Yes, okay. Do I need to see it? Is this one of those moments where I'm going to get shit on now? Wait, you don't know what Wicked is? I don't know. I know the Wicked Witch of the West. Oh, no, he doesn't know. It has originated.

Wicked is a musical that, I believe, came out. We just watched The Wizard of Oz with our four-year-old. No, this is not the Wizard of Oz. But it is of the same origin. Oh, it's an origin story of the Wicked Witch of the West? Sure, yeah, in a sense. Okay, I'll keep up. Quick.

So Wicked was a Broadway musical, Christian Chenoweth and Idina Manzel, were originating these characters of Glinda and Elfaba, the Wicked witch. Linda's the nice witch. Well, this is where we get into some conspiracies. Oh, is this one of those stories? Hold on, hold on.

Let me go. Let me say the story is the witch didn't start out mean, and then a nice one who really is not nice as mean. And then she makes the- This is worse than TikTok. Then she makes the one mean because she was mean. Is that what it is? Sure. Along those lines basic. No, but the movie, so it was a musical, but the movie just came out with Cynthia, Revo and Ariana Grande playing Glenda and Alphabet. The good, technically what they say, the good witch and the bad witch, whatever. Pink and green. There's a lot of pink and green going on in the world right now with the green witch and. And then, like, Glinda wears pink, and she's, like, pink everything. So they're vilifying the good witch now. Well, if you watch the story, you're kind of, it's the undertone of...

Basically, she's saying watch it. Okay. It's a beautiful movie. You know what would be more concerning to you, though? And I say this to a lot of the women that come on the show not to be... But what if I was like, if I knew everything. No. And I was like...

And I would be thrilled for you. And I was like, and I knew all the, like, trivia. What is this one of the one time? I would be impressed. I know, actually. I know, but it's just sort of also going to like, whoa, this guy, you know. Oh, here I would say. Let's move to the next topic, because I'm not going to be able to keep up much longer.

I say go see Wicked. I think it's rated PG. No. Okay. I did not. So maybe I can take my four-year-old. Oh, it's PG. It's two and a half hours.

Oh, well. But for me, flew by. Okay. It depends how your daughter does in theaters. It sounds like you just love like cinema. Well, I was a theater kid. So I appreciate theater. I saw Wicked when I was like 10 in Cleveland with my best friend.

And then we went and saw the movie together. This was very sweet because it was musical on Broadway. But it's good. Yeah, it's a great movie. This is like just a random question. What do you do when someone is so associated you with a character that it's, they want it to seep into your real life? Do you get that a lot? They'll just be disappointed.

Okay. Because I'm, you're not like any of your characters. Which would you relate to the most? Oh, God. I don't know about that. None. I don't know. I don't know.

I think people associate me often the most with Betty Cooper from Berberdale. Obviously, that's what a lot of people know me as. And you don't relate to her. I do. She's definitely, she has a lot more energy than I do. I think I'm just a lot more, I haven't, I don't know, character-wise, who I relate to the most. I just, I've played a lot of maybe characters have a lot more energy in general, and I'm just kind of a more, I like to sit on my couch and that's about it. So. You're a rotter. Anytime. Yeah. That's okay. And you know what it is coming back to TikTok is like, for me, I'm like, oh, I can't wait till the end of the day when I can sit and watch my. watch TikTok for an hour. This is honest. Because I'm like, you know what it is?

And it's sad. But it's the dopamine hit. And we're in a dopamine epidemic. Well, yeah, with our world. And we, so I guess is that a pandemic? No, epidemic, Fred. I think this is important that a 28-year-old is saying this because this is the residual of how much the phone has been in everyone's face.

I think it's very, very self-aware, like you said. Well, especially because of the line of work and the career that you're in, right, to be thoughtful and aware of it. I mean, Lauren and I was looking at this meme the other day, and we, it was like kids born between 87 and 91 with the last cusp to, we went through high school and college without social media and we got basically like smartphones, which was like the ones with the screens and everything. We also had a buggy and a horse carriage. Like if you go on Facebook and hopefully it's been deactivated, you could see like my college nights out with 100 photos from the same. Yes, yes, yes. On the Facebook albums. Yikes.

But anyways, we were like on the cusp. And so your generation has really had to grow up as the first test subjects to figure out like what it's like to come up with these things. And the rise of ADD, we are the rise of that. What are some tools that you use to help with anxiety to help alleviate it? Well, I've recently started to be very much, I try to be very aware of, I've heard one per, I don't know, I'm like, heard one source call it popcorn. scrolling, which is where you pick up your phone just when you have nothing else to do, just to look at it. And it's like when you're walking from your couch to the bathroom, you look at your phone. And that's like what, 10 seconds of time or however, whatever.

And using your phone as just to fill the void for such small moments of time is really so bad for your brain. So I've been trying to just like, that's a small step to take, you know, to be like, okay, I'm not going to bring my phone to the bathroom while I pee for a minute. You know, I'm not going to look at my phone when I walk up the stairs or when I'm in the elevator. I was like proud of myself for not looking at my phone on a 20-minute drive home where I was in the back seat. I was like applauding myself, which is insane because we should be able to not look at our phones for long extended periods of time, which, you know, we do. And obviously, we're in the movie theater. Well, not some people.

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you don't know about Wicked and you're just. I don't know how you don't know about Wicked is like the largest marketing campaign. You know, you know why? Modern times. Because I just like I was talking about this on the way over here. What's crazy about the internet is like, there are things that are so big and so popular.

And this exists for people too. But it's so big and so vast opinion what's being served to you or not. I guarantee if I brought up some crazy thing that's popular in some other area. And you guys... I think I would know. Unfortunately. Bring up something.

I'm like way too chronically. I'm going to talk about Bitcoin. Okay. Well, I don't know a lot about it. Yeah, but my point is like... He talks about it the whole way over here. Anyways, I just think that there's so much information being thrown at us all the time. Like, how...

What are you supposed to even keep track of in your head? That's why we got rid of the news a long time. We just got... You didn't get rid of the news if you look at X every day. Let's be aware. Okay, we got rid of cable. waking up and staring at X, you are looking at everything that's happening. It's the same thing.

It's a different format. Yeah, I don't watch TikTok anymore. We got rid of cable media during the pandemic and people were like, what up in arms? Like, how are you going to get informed? And I'm like, there is no problem finding information. Like, it's too much information. Yeah, it's a lot. I think like what you're saying about your phone, having boundaries, like you said, like, I got off the phone on 20 minutes.

I don't take my phone to the bathroom, which, by the way, if you're taking your phone to your bathroom, you're probably getting fecal matter all over your phone and pee drop. A thousand percent. It's pretty gross. Like if you really... You should close the lid when you flush, especially if your tooth brushes around. Your phone is probably needs a good cleanse. Use some branch basics code skinny.

But I just think like... That one's free. If you have the thoughtfulness to have the boundary, it's important. Like Michael and I have different theories about waking up to the phone. Yes. I won't touch my phone for two hours. I don't want to look at it. But it's almost like I find it disgusting in the morning.

It's impressive. It's ruining my flow. Couldn't agree more. Couldn't agree more. And he likes to wake up and look at it, which is. But it doesn't, I don't know, it doesn't fuck up my flow. How do you know? No, I would love to not look at my phone for two.

Well, what time are you waking up? Seven. Okay. Well, that's, okay. I feel like if I were to not look at my phone for two hours, I would come back to 100 text messages and be very overwhelmed. Okay, so let me ask you this. When you wake up, do you go and respond to the text messages? Well, so my dog usually wakes me up annoyingly.

These days, he woke me up at 2 a.m. to go out. Yeah, but I don't know why he's in this weird habit of waking me up at 2 a.m. But he usually wakes me up at like 7, 7.30, and I'll go let him out. I won't touch my phone. I won't bring my phone downstairs. That's amazing. But then I go back to bed usually if I can. If I can't, then I'm like, okay, then I pick up the phone.

But I've created more boundaries with myself where I'm like, I don't need to answer someone immediately. It's this anxiety part of me. If I see a message, I answer it right away. I want to be prompt. I want to get back to that person. But I kind of found that in doing that. I was crossing my own boundaries of, oh, I actually don't want to be on my phone right now or I'm actually taking on too much at one time. So I started being, you know, just being more aware of, oh, I can, that person can wait a few hours.

It's not going to kill them. I can give myself also some space to get back to them instead of trying to rush and answer people immediately. I think that's great. I think anyone that expects to come into your personal space on your time and take your time, better not expect an answer right back. They're asking for your time and you responding right away, like you said, like you used to, is reactive. It's not proactive. Also, sometimes you have to think about the answer.

Sure. I changed my number. Smart. You know what? Changes it to your life. Wow. That's it. And then everyone message me and now it's where.

What's her number? You don't respond, so that's fine. There's different ways to do it. He just doesn't respond. Well, I was going to ask you, were you anxious as a kid? Very. Why? I had a weird homebody attachment.

Like, I wanted to be home. I didn't do good at sleepovers. I was attached to my mom. I wanted to be at home. I felt safe there. I had social anxiety. So I just kind of always never felt super comfortable going to even like birthday parties as a kid. And that was kind of a weird signal to my mom.

Like, okay, my kid, I think has some social anxiety going on. And then it just kind of got unfortunately worse as I had older. You like a people pleaser? No. No. Because I was interesting because when you were talking about that feeling this need to get back to people. I think it's just anxiety because I would rather deal with it now. then give it to like my future self.

I think it's a pressure she puts on herself for achievement. It's like she wants to, I understand that you want to get back to people prompt. You want to be professional. It's, I mean, I understand that. Well, I think the way I look at text messaging, so I look at phone calls out of the blue are just wild. I never, will never answer. My friends, my family now do not call me. Sorry someone was murdered. Call me in the morning.

Well, I'm like literally, I know when my phone is ringing, from my mother, I'm being told bad news. Like, I do not, I, because we literally, I just don't, I don't talk on the phone. I FaceTime, like every now and then, which is even asking a lot. Then I think a text message, you have to, like, if I'm sending a text, my perspective is I'm sending it to somebody that will choose on their time when to get back. And then an email, I think it's like a professional interaction. That's nice.

You're the only one in the world that feels like that. No, because, well, text is wild because you're just supposed to like, you know, just, they just, people have A friend that does question mark, question mark, question mark, until I answer. Like, how many unread text do you have? Yeah, let's look at yours too. 201. Okay, I know off the top of my head I have five unread.

Five, okay. Yeah. What do I have? But I cleared this. So what, because it's. I have 35. I think that. I don't answer, though.

We've talked about this on the show. How am I supposed to get back to 200 in one messages? Well, you don't. That, you're too far gone, my friend. Yeah, you know what I do? Do what I do? Once, like, every few weeks, I go in and do a mass delete. Just delete?

Just delete. Don't read. And I figure if it's important, it'll somehow get to me. Never to be seen again. Never to be seen again. His four messages. Like how far back does like the 200th one? No, I do like once a week.

I go mass delete. So these are just from a week? Yeah, because Lauren changed your number. So everybody got mine. No. Oh my God. I also don't answer my husband's text. Sure.

I don't like to answer his text. I like to like make him, you know. Squirm. Yeah. Yes, squirmity. But you know, I do have text messages that I put in the little bubble in the top. Yeah. like the, you know, like the pinned ones.

They're like, okay, I'll get back. But sometimes if it's just... I don't have that problem. I don't have 200 people texting me. I'm going to change my number and tell them. Give them my number. Yeah, give them someone else. Give me your number after this.

I need it for something. 2018 at Glamors Women of the Year's Summit. You talked about body image. And this is really interesting what you said. We aren't born with these insecurities. We're told to be insecure. Does that have to do with social media? Can you expand on that?

I mean, we grew up in the time of People magazine and, you know, seeing at the newsstand at the grocery store pictures of celebrities without makeup on with the headline like, ugly. And that's just absolutely insane. Wild. And, you know, I would grow up watching America's Next Step Model with my sister and watching them stand on a scale in front of everyone else

and say their weights out loud. and, you know, if someone was a certain weight, everyone would be like, ooh, that's not good. Is that true? I didn't watch that show? Yes, that was absolutely in one of the episodes. I remember it, yes, because I remember I think it was one woman weighed 130 pounds, and everyone was like, not good. It was like she was immediately in the plus size category, which is the craziest thing I've ever heard in my life, genuinely. And I think I was watching that when I was 13.

So I was seeing these parameters that I had to be in. I was like, you know, I didn't want to be a model, but I was seeing these just like, oh, this is what women are supposed to. Okay, so I need to fit in that. I need to fit in this category. I need to look like that. I need to make sure, like, they were absolutely like, they would have people be like your skin looks like shit, get it fixed.

Like it was just like they were, everything was torn apart about these women. And I was watching this on like a. Thursday night with my sister, just downloading these ideas into my brain. And I think, I don't, I mean, I don't know these cultures that exist on planet Earth that don't watch television. I'm sure they're not dealing with body image issues. Maybe, maybe, I don't know, but I, I don't think so, because I think it's born and bred in this, well, what do you think about, like, even, well, magazines and newspapers in the 50s or whatever selling diet pills for women. Like it's kind of just always been, if you have mass media in a culture, it's going to shove the idea down your throat

that you need to be. Now it's ozumic. Now it's ozumpic and it's, I mean, my entire TikTok, and I don't know why, because I'm not engaging with these ads. I'm not liking them. It's all digestive enzymes. And it's every other ad I'm seeing as a woman being like, I can eat whatever I want and look as than as I, you know, whatever because, and then, you know, they're selling on their little TikTok, digestive enzymes or like this stupid tea that I'm sure doesn't work. I just, I just can't believe, like, the week of Thanksgiving, I'm looking at my phone and TikTok and just seeing these ads for how to stay skinny, how to stay skinny, and I just can't believe. And I was going to maybe, I have to pick and choose my battles, but I was going

to maybe post a little TikTok or at least like a story being like, I can't believe. how every other ad I'm seeing on this app is telling me how to lose weight or how to stay skinny. And that's all, you know, these have 30,000 likes. And women, I'm sure, are buying them left and right because if you tell someone this is going to make you skinny in two seconds, you're going to fool a lot of people. But it's probably American. But 70% what happens when everyone's doing it? Then the body trend will change, I bet.

We went to this. Because then they'll not want to be a part of the mass. They'll want to be like, oh, no, we need to accentuate curves. now again and make that more on trend because that will separate me from the masses. Once it becomes a mass thing and the masses have access to it, it will shift. We went to this, um, do you know who Brian Johnson is? Sounds so familiar. The guy that's trying to live forever.

Oh, that guy is scary. He's been not sure, he's actually a friend. He's, sorry. If you met him, you'd like him. The idea of living forever is scary to me. So we went to a dinner at his house, and hopefully Brian's okay with me sharing this story. But he basically, one of the questions he asked that this, like, it was like this intimate dinner table where it's like a Jeffersonian style dinner and you have to basically like

someone asks a question and then everyone around the table waits and responds and like everyone listens to each other. It's a very nice actually. But he was saying if there was an algorithm that existed that if you followed it, it would give you like perfect like meaning like you'd be perfect in a mental state, you'd be perfect physically like it would give you exactly what you need to do. But you had to follow it to a T. Would you do it yes or no? And that could include like you have to go to bed at four o'clock in the morning and you have to eat at, and you had no. no choice but to follow it. And he asked all the people if they would or not.

Yeah. But anyways, all these people at the table were like quick to say no. I still say no. But then he gave the example. He's like, well, look how quick people were to adopt the GLP1. It says you take a shot here and then you eat it this time. You do this and how fast people were adopted. I imagine in the future more of these things coming out and how quickly people will adopt.

Like that's the direction he believes society is moving in. It's like in the future, we're all just going to be taking all these things and kind of giving up more autonomy. of me and saying like, come on. What do you think is something wild about the entertainment industry? Like if you could change one thing and wave a want? I guess it would be, and I think Denzel Washington just said this about like when he was doing his press tour with for Gladiator, he was saying like, when I was coming up in this industry, we did not have to see the opinions of every person on the fucking planet.

And I think if I could change anything, I guess it would be the idea that like, When you are an actor or singer in the public eye, you're basically raising your hand to be ripped to shreds. And it's very discouraging, and it makes me at times I've absolutely wanted to quit. I've been like, I'm actually can't do this anymore, and I'm going to go live on a farm in somewhere else. Would you ever do that? Possibly.

Michelle Pfeiffer and Dummy Moore, I feel like that. I know Amanda Seifre lives in. in a farm somewhere. Like she, or maybe not a farm, I don't want to, she lives somewhere not in a populated area

for her mental health. And I think I see why. I understand why. The internet only writes really kind things about Lauren and I'm saying. And me as well.

I don't actually deal with this problem personally. If you Google our names, you'll only find uplifting positive. Yes, yes, of course. To your point with what you said way early where you feel like you do something

like Riverdale and then you have to, it's like what's next? What's next? There's something kind of cool, and I keep talking about this when I'm on the podcast, about absence. Absence is underrated. And it should be used to people's advantage. I don't want to see what someone eats for breakfast seven days a week. For sure. Hold back a little. I hear you. A little art of absence goes a long way. And I think like that could maybe take the pressure off anyone who's an actress.

Like it feels like it go. I almost feel like I want to be like a cat sometimes. And go away. Yes. And you know what? But don't you feel... They just like... They just bow out. To die.

Okay, but you could just go away and then you can come back when it works for you. I had a cat do that. I never found it. It went off. We can't talk about your childhood trauma. This is not about you today.

It was an 18-year-old cat, so it had a good run. Yeah, it had a good run. Never to be found. No, but that's what they do. They just scurry off and die somewhere. Okay. They don't want to be found.

Okay. The art of absurd. That's not you, Lauren. You're going to leave like a whole... We're going to have a whole thing for you. There's something there, though, to just go away. I agree. I agree.

And I feel that when I, and I was saying this, like, when I have a show coming out or when I have a movie or when I'm obviously talking about my skincare line, like, a lot. And I'm more in the public eye. I find that I am a lot more anxious in these periods of my life because I'm more in the public eye. And being in the public eye makes me uncomfortable and usually, like, causes me a lot of stress and unhomfortable. happiness, to be, to be honest, which is ironic being an actor, but like when you're on a set working in like a little bubble, it's very different from when you're promoting it. And again, when you're promoting anything, when you guys are putting yourselves out there as these hosts and like releasing your shows, you're putting your face out there. And when you do that, you are

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me of something or say some shit that's just like hurtful or not true, my 19 year old self was ready to go and to defend and to go to battle and to say that's not true. And unfortunately, me doing that to one person is not going to change the internet or the world. So I think over time I've just learned, like, I can't go to battle with these people because I kind of just look at it like this. If you are, unless it's like, I won't say that, we won't get political. But I'm saying like, I'm like, can we bully one person? Just one. But if you are raising your hand and like publicly on a profile on Facebook, on Instagram, on Twitter,

if you are taking time out of your day to type the most obscene, evil, mean-spirited comment to someone that you don't fucking know. You are, to me, literally outing yourself as an incredibly unhappy person. No happy person does that. A person who is happy and confident and, like, you know, comfortable in their lives is not on Facebook fighting with strangers. It's also low vibration. What you give out comes back to you. The thousand percent vibrate. Like that is, you're, you're showing me the lowest vibrational energy possible, ma'am. Thank you very much. I think that's also like a healthy way to look at it because if you look at a person like that, it's hard then to be upset because you almost in a weird way feel empathy that someone's in that position. But empathy is always going to, you're

like, okay, let's choose empathy and let's choose compassion because this person's clearly. I'm like, I'm so sorry for you. What is your home address? I'm coming over right now. But it's like, yeah, why are you? Why? I wonder about those people who hide behind an Instagram message. Is it Oscar Wilde and Mark Twain? If you acknowledge it, like they'll immediately apologize. Is it Oscar Wildermark claim that said? I've tried. Really? Oh, yeah, no.

They double down. Oh, they double down. They double down. Well, they're probably 19 looking for a fight, you know what I mean? Not necessarily. There's that quote that says, I've had some middle-aged men come for me and then double down, which is always like. Middle-aged men?

Middle-aged men on X, which is why I deleted X. Taylor, what are you doing back there? Taylor, is that you? No, but they say, the only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about. Yes, so it's, I think I disagree. But think about it this way. I think we all like, you know, fantasize, okay, we're going to go live on a farm and nobody's going to talk to it. Then you sit on that farm for like a week.

You're like, oh, and this is kind of... No, 1,000%. You'd be bored. You'd be very bored. But like... I like a toe in the farm, a toe out of the farm. I'm like, for sure. Yeah.

A little bit of... Yeah, a little bit of... Yeah, a buddy that said to me, he's like, listen, Michael, they ain't hating on you. You're not doing it right. And I was like, oh, I don't know if that's good advice or not. Well, yeah, what is something like if no successful, you know, what is it, the critics? Something about critics. The problem is if you're somebody that puts yourself out there in any way and shares an opinion of any kind with conviction behind it, there's no possible way to keep everyone happy.

So there's going to be somebody at any given time that's upset. Absolutely. You mentioned off-air spirituality. What does that look like for you? Is it a daily practice? Is it like certain books that you can point to? What are things that you do? I really, 2020 was like my hub of spirituality because it was the forced inside, forced, forced.

time with yourself kind of chapter of my life. And I really went inwards and deeply and was working with my therapist and was reading a lot of self-help books. And I went on the quest to become a Reiki master. Cool. And because I was given, had received Reiki a few times from this makeup artist that worked on Riverdale, seasons one and two. And she was, I just thought it was such an incredible thing to be able to like put your hands over someone and transfer help steer energy into their in and then through their body and I thought okay I'm going through this you know 20 20 was hard for everyone I think and I'm going through this hard chapter of my life I want to pursue this and if I can help heal myself I'm going to do it and so I pursued uh reiki through I found two teachers because I

lived in my 20s most of the year in Vancouver where I shot Riverdale. And so I found two teachers in Vancouver who taught me over the course of, I think it was two years, Reiki, Reiki Level 1, Reiki Level 2, and then my mastery. It was like really tight up there too, right? You looked like full lockdown up there. For a year I was, yeah. So for like filming of one season, you would go to Canada, you would quarantine for two weeks, and then you were in there for five months. And then I went home to-

yourself? Quarantine? Yeah. No, I quarantined with two girls from my show. Okay, at least you had two girls. No, yeah, I was not. I would have been horrible. Yeah.

But yeah, so spirituality today, I think for me, looks a lot. Like, I still love a good self-help book or a spiritual book. And I love, I do like meditation. I'm doing kind of some hypnosis therapy sessions with my therapist. I see my therapist. I have a lot of healers. So I will go do like a session with my healer who lives in Bali, like over Zoom. Obviously, I'm not flying to, I wish.

I can't, I can't take that plunge yet. I'm like, I don't know if I can travel to Bali. It's a lot. I'd love to. I've done it. It's like a two days of travel. I don't know if I can handle it. I bet it's amazingly healing there to do.

I mean, absolutely. The ceremonies. Well, I would go see her. She comes to Mount Shasta. Okay. Do you know where that is? No. It's in Northern California and it's a very high, vibrational, very spiritual place.

That's cool. It's where Anya had the farm. That's really cool. It's a really cool. It's a really. beautiful, special place. I'd like to go there. And I've gone, I think, four times. And she's, I've gone to see her and I went and saw her in Sedona, actually, this year in March. That also, that place has like, Sedona. Yeah, crazy energy. Weird, weird energy. Cool. But like, amazing. I love it.

Yeah. The one time I, you know, she was explained to me Rakey and I was like, okay, we'll go try this. That tripped me out because I felt like I was there for two minutes and it was like an hour and a half. Are you ready for this? Rakey flipped my baby. So my baby was breach. I was two weeks into giving birth and they told me your baby's breach like we have to manually flip it. And I was like, no, no, no, no. I'm going to tell my baby to flip. I'm going to like, I'm going to open space in my stomach and relax so much that the baby has room to flip. And the doctors literally were like, you're crazy. Well, I told her she was crazy too. It's I was there. So I went to this girl.

She's recommended by my friend Carly. Her name is Sage. She's this amazing energy. Great name. She's in Encinitas at an acupuncture center. And she gave me Reiki. And I was laying there. I was, you know how you're asleep but awake?

I never fall asleep. Oh, yeah, like a transcendental sort of like theta brainwaves. The baby flipped. I felt the baby flip because my nervous system was so relaxed. the baby had room to flip and I felt the baby flip then I went and told Michael the baby flipped he's like you're fucking crazy I said book an ultrasound tomorrow the baby was flipped yeah trip me out true story and so now you're a believer oh no I I mean I also guessed my son's birthday in a dream and he thinks it's true she did was it the exact day correct I said the babies he's gonna be born on 69

six nine yeah I was gonna say what day of the month is 69 I said she does weird shit like that but the The point is, Reiki does 100% work, I think. You have to believe it. Yeah, for sure. I mean, you have to believe in anything, I think, for it to work. But it makes sense if you're so relaxed and your nervous system is it so, like, just like calm vibration, like your body has room to do what it needs to do. Yeah, I agree.

Tell us about why you decided to start your skincare line personal day. Tell us how it became a seat of an idea and then how you sort of executed it. Well, I mean, speaking of like, I mean, we're talking about mental health and spirituality and all these things. My skin very much reflects what's going on on the inside. Well, your skin looks beautiful right now. Thank you. You're probably using your products. It looks really good.

I do. I got a nice pimple from my travel day yesterday, but it's all good. I basically have struggled with acne since I was 12. And getting into the industry just kind of exacerbated that. Like, it just, you're wearing makeup. 16 hours a day. You're traveling. You're on, you know, it's a lot. There's lights. There's people touching your face a lot. It's just, it's a lot. And so my skin was sort of getting worse as I was getting older, which was kind of crazy because like I was, you know, out of my teens. I was like,

okay, finally my skin's going to calm down and it's going to start to heal because people don't have acne in their 20s, right? And then that's a fun surprise that you do. And then, and I do at 28. And basically I started seeing, I went on acutane twice for my acne. So I had cystic acne to the point where I felt that I needed to go on acutane, which if people don't know what that is, it's basically like what people say is the cure for acne, even though it's usually only temporary. Some people, it works forever and they're, you know, it's great for them, but it's so horrible on your body and wreaks a lot of havoc, but it's an oral pill. I went on that twice and, you know, it's a And I went on the first time when I got off of it, my acne came back with a vengeance.

And so I had to go back on it because I was in the middle of filming. So I was like, I can't just walk around with this, my whole forehead covered in bumps. So I went back on it. And as I was weaning off of it, I was working with my estetician, Sarah Ford. And she was saying, okay, well, are you looking at? Because my acne just kept coming back. And it was like, what the fuck is going on? What am I putting on my skin that's creating this?

reaction and she said, well, are you looking at the ingredients in your skin care? And I said, no. So I went home and I was on my little laptop in my bathroom and copy and pasting the ingredients of like all my skincare that I was using and makeup products into an ingredient checker, which we now have on our website, personal day.com, where you can plug in the ingredients. I copy and paste. And it shows you, it highlights in red the ingredients that are acne triggering ingredients. or poor clogging or whatever. And I was realizing that, like, 90% of the stuff I was using on my face had acne triggering ingredients in it. And give us some names of things that you, if you, I know it's like probably long.

Well, like a lot of butters, a lot of oils, anything with fragrance. Like, I stay away. If something has scented, I have to stay away from it. But a lot of butters and a lot of oils and, like, phyelates and parabins and all the nasty stuff. But it's things that, like, you wouldn't think. You'd be like, I've never heard of this in my life, but then it pops up and a lot of times you can't pronounce these things. But you're like, oh, that's an ingredient that I'm putting on my face. So I was kind of a clicked in my brain because the idea of starting a brand had been proposed to me.

And I was like, maybe a skincare line because I'm so passionate about skincare. I've talked about it forever. And it's been a passion of mine because I have acne. But it really clicked and made sense once I realized, oh, my God, there is not this a line. there that I felt that I could just trust as someone with sensitive acne prone skin that I could use that wouldn't trigger new acne breakouts because I'm like looking at all these products and it's saying you know they're all from different skin care lines are all from different brands and they all were having these acne triggering

ingredients in them so I wanted to create a line that had no acne triggering ingredients in them across the board so you could use the moisturizer and a peel or a cleanser and know that none of that them had those ingredients that would trigger a new breakout, like someone with acne prone skin. If you see something and someone says that it works, you're like, yay, I need to try it. I have to try this thing if it's going to help my skin. But you always have that fear of trying something new is going to break you out, or I do, especially like makeup products, whatever. Trying anything new is very scary because I have very sensitive skin. So I wanted to create a line that felt

kind of like a safe haven for people who were looking for help with their acne and they knew that they could trust that nothing in the line would trigger a breakout. And it's dermatologist developed, which I think is cool. We developed with our dermatologist, Dr. Mamina Toregano. We have our board of advisors. We have Dr. Courtney Tracy, who's a mental health professional. And just because we wanted mental health to be a big pillar of the skincare line, I've talked about my depression and anxiety since people knew who I was for 10 years now. And I know personally the effects that acne has on my confidence and my mental health. Very hard. When I have a breakout, the way that it makes

me want to hide from the world. And I really wanted that aspect of, I really wanted compassion and empathy for people with acne to come through with this brand. And I guess I think, you know, calling it personal day is a reflection of taking a moment for yourself. and self-care, and I think, like, investing in skin care is self-care. For me, it always has been. But actually, I mean, the products are all under $40. Which product would you start with? I mean, for people who are struggling with acne,

I would definitely say doing the work, salivate acid acne treatment, because that's the one that really is going to, like, it has the sal acid in it and has two other actives in it, or not just two, multiple actives in it that are going to target your breakouts, but also with each product, like the more you use them over time, the better your skin gets over time. So we have luxury skincare ingredients in the product. Like, I'm a skincare girl. I love skincare and having acne kind of makes you feel left out because you can't just try all these things and try all the bougie products.

But we have like our niacinamide and squaline. Like we have the bougie ingredients in the line. So you're getting that plus the acne. Michael's going to add the cleansing powder and I'm going to try this too It's like you told me it's like a powder that turns into like Yeah like a foamy lather Cute so that's amazing Yeah it's really you get your palms

Michael is very into skin care You get your palms wet and then you dump a little Beep beep beep a little powder And you rub it in and it turns into like this nice foam That's really smart It's really nice too when you're traveling all my shit always spills everywhere I've tested this myself tried and true this little cap, it locks.

You can hear it. It locks into place. I just, I've flown with it multiple times. It's never opened up. I think our audience would love that. Can we have a code? Do we have a code? We have a code. I think it's skinny on Personalday.com. Go use

code skinny at personalday.com. You get 15% off sitewide. I would definitely start with what Lily recommended and then I'm going to definitely check out that cleansing powder. I think that's genius. The brand's also really pretty. You want it out.

I feel like it's not something you want to hide. Where can everyone follow you? You have 23 million followers. I think the whole audience is already following you. No, not true. But where could they find you? Where can they follow you? Where can they support what you're doing?

I mean, I'm on Instagram, just Lily Reinhardt and TikTok is my name as well. And I just joined threads. Okay. Because I was like, I'm getting off of no offense to you X. I can't handle it anymore. I didn't build it. No, I know. So I got off of that one.

You know what there's a little masculine. It's a little heavy in the masculinity, isn't it? Yeah, it's just the most feminine balance. It's the takeaway to take with it. Like, this guy is still on X. He's in the conspiracy. I do have to say something to you. I was going to tell you off air, but I'll just say it on air.

Sometimes all the time, not all the time. 90% of the time when you interview a very famous person or a celebrity, there's a lot of guardrails. It feels sometimes a little robotic when you're interviewing them. Yeah. You do not feel like that. The rest didn't dive across the table. It's a compliment. It's she's humanized something.

And I think you should always be like this, don't ever change. It's so, it's frustrating as, you know, as interview host. To interview someone that it's like, yeah, you, like, what are we even talking about? Yes or No answers. And you are just very open. So I think it's cool. Thank you. Yeah.

That was awesome. Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you. To shop Lily's skincare line, go to personal day.com and use code skinny for 15% off.