The Bossticks - Lisa Rinna & Harry Hamlin Completely Open & Unfiltered - Housewives, Hollywood, Relationships & More

Episode Date: February 10, 2025

#807: Join us as we sit down with Lisa Rinna & Harry Hamlin – one of Hollywood's most iconic power couples! Lisa, the queen of bold moves, made her mark on Days of Our Lives, Melrose Place, and The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, while Harry, an Emmy-nominated talent, captivated audiences in Mad Men and became a legend in Clash of the Titans. In this episode, Lisa & Harry get real about balancing love & career in the spotlight, raising superstar daughters, the raw truth behind reality TV, & their most recent project which they announce on today's episode.    To Watch the Show click HERE   For Detailed Show Notes visit TSCPODCAST.COM   To connect with Lisa Rinna click HERE   To connect with Harry Hamlin click HERE   To connect with Lauryn Bosstick click HERE   To connect with Michael Bosstick click HERE   Read More on The Skinny Confidential HERE   To Call the Him & Her Hotline call: 1-833-SKINNYS (754-6697)   This episode is brought to you by The Skinny Confidential   Head to the HIM & HER Show ShopMy page HERE and LTK page HERE to find all of Michael and Lauryn's favorite products mentioned on their latest episodes.   Visit harrysfamous.com to purchase Harry's Famous Pasta Sauce.    To purchase Lisa's book, Rinnacation: Getting Your Best Life Ever, click HERE.   This episode is sponsored by Chomps   Get 15% off your order of Chomps meat sticks at Chomps.com/SKINNY with code SKINNY.   This episode is sponsored by The Farmer's Dog   Get 50% off your first box of fresh, healthy food at TheFarmersDog.com/skinny. Plus, you get FREE shipping!    This episode is sponsored by Domain Money   Head to domainmoney.com/himandher to book a free strategy session now.   This episode is sponsored by ARMRA   Go to tryarmra.com/SKINNY or enter SKINNY to get 15% off your first order.   This episode is sponsored by JLO Beauty   Head to JLOBeauty.com/SKINNY to receive 20% off plus three free limited time offer gifts.   This episode is sponsored by Squarespace   Go to Squarespace.com for a free trial, and when you're ready to launch, squarespace.com/SKINNY to save 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain.   Produced by Dear Media

The following podcast is a dear media production. She's a lifestyle blogger extraordinaire. Fantastic. And he's a serial entrepreneur. A very smart cookie. And now Lauren Everts and Michael Bostic are bringing you along for the ride. Get ready for some major realness. Welcome to the skinny confidential, him and her.

How fitting for the him and her show to have Harry Hamlin and Lisa Renna on the show. Hollywood's most iconic couple. You may know Lisa as the queen of bold moves. She's a dynamic actress. We've all seen her on Days of Our Lives, Melrose Place, The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. She is now on the catwalk, the runway, magazine covers. She's not just a TV star either.

She's the mastermind behind Renna Beauty and a pop culture icon. She's someone who always keeps it real. And let me tell you, in this episode, she is as real as they come. We also have Harry Hamlin. He's an Emmy nominated actor. You guys have seen him in Mad Men. He's kind of a legend from Clash of the Titans.

Together they're really the ultimate Hollywood Hustle couple. They also recently launched a podcast. Let's not talk about the husband. And it's produced by Dear Media. With that, let's welcome Lisa Renna and Harry Hamlin to the show. This is the skinny confidential, him and her. I told you I was reading your book. Probably I want to say like, I don't know, nine years ago.

And I was trying to read between the lines of like what smoothie or what thing you were doing when you were pregnant. I needed the tips. Did I give you any? I don't know if I gave you any. There's lots of tips in that book. I'm not sure. There are good tips in that book. Yes, there are.

We're going to get into that. Don't worry. We've talked about those tips on those. I should maybe thank you, Lisa. You know, actually you should thank. That woman who came to the house for years. Lou. Her name is Lou, and you should thank her gay best friend who was dying of AIDS.

I mean, it's a very sad story. And she went to him and said, give me all the tips, no pun intended. And he did. And then for my bachelorette party, somebody, like, hired her to come. She brought a bunch of bananas. No, she brought dildos. She brought rubber dildos, and you put them on a plate. Bananas, that's nothing.

She brought dildos. You put them on a plate. Like, I will never forget this, right? Like, I was not there. You were not there. It was a bachelor's party. It was so fucking funny. And she puts the dildas in the dishwasher, so they're clean because, you know, you're, like, sitting with your girlfriend.

So, like, let's say there's 10 of us. And you're sitting around a circle, and you've got a dildo on a plate. And then she shows you all the things that her gay best friend taught her. And one of those things was the coin. Yes There's the basket The coin I don't know the coin

What's the coin? Jerry, you know the coin You just don't know It's called the coin Oh really The coin is the tip you taught me That Michael has still married to me for Okay great

The coin Maybe this is the secret to long marriages Well listen Oh right The coin The coin Oh yes The coin

The coin Yes The coin Yeah It's just I don't remember That name You know all of them But the coin, we always talk about the basket.

Or I'm not supposed to look at you. I got to look at this one. The basket. Anyway, you know what? That's what sold that book, by the way. That chapter eight sold that book. The one that the kids read, the girls read? Is that chapter eight?

Oh, no. Did they really? Yes, they did. I think a million might have said the house. I had like age 11. It came up on the show. It was Delilah who said something about running how to give head. Oh, my God.

We were in Tokyo. Oh, God. It was like 12. Guys, imagine this. I'm on a trip with housewives in Tokyo. with the kids. The kids had to go on a modeling trip, right? So I get Erica to come with me for the show so they can go film it. I remember. Okay, so we're sitting at a dinner. Now I know nothing. I don't know any of this. One's like, I'm right there with you. And we're talking and

stuff. And then Delilah brings up, or is it Amelia? I don't know who brings it up. But they basically say, well, when we were in Canada one year, we went and we read your book when we were little and we learned about how to give a blowjob. So she says it's on camera. Like, do my kids not know what they're doing? She used the word head. Did she? Did she?

Did she? She learned how to give head. That's what I go, what? I don't remember. I was so horrified in the moment. And Erica goes, oh, oh, she starts laughing. She's laughing. It was horrifying.

My God. Anyway, though, and then you said the other day, well, at least you gave them, you know, good tips. A nice life. Their boyfriends are happy. Yeah, their boyfriends are happy. Michael's happy as a clam. I wrote a blog post on the coin about, I want to say five years ago,

it's still up on my blog. I think the coin everyone should learn about. All of it. Your book sales just went like this. And Lisa, we were just saying like one of the last actual married housewives. So maybe there's probably something to it, for sure.

One of the last real housewives of Beverly Hills married couple. Yeah. Right here sitting in front of you. Let's go. What is the first second that you guys? met. When did you lay eyes on Lisa? I was sitting at a restaurant called Shains with my ex-wife, Nicolette Sheridan, right next to the door, and I'll never forget. She walked in with her boyfriend. Peter Barton. Peter Barton, and they walked past us, but then stopped and looked back because she

knew Nicolette. Yeah. And I can see what I can picture absolutely the moment I looked up and I saw this woman and it went like a dagger through my heart. Now I'm sitting next to my wife when that's happening, right? And it just kind of went, whoa. But I didn't really clock it. I mean, I didn't process it. It just, it happened. And then it was quite some time later that we actually met and talked. Yeah. And I knew Nicolette. So I said, hello, obviously. Hi, how are you? And that was it. We walked out. Yeah, but I can, I can remember the moment exactly. That's the late eyes on moment. Have you always had such a big distinct personality since you were little? No. No. Get this. I know. Shaw Hocking. Okay, here's the story. When I met her at all. When I was little, I did, yes. Okay. Very big personality. Only child. Me, me, me. Attention, tension, tension. I want the world's attention. All of it. I performed for my parents, 24-7, all of it. Then, something happened when I was a teenager. I don't know. And maybe just, you know, teenagers, you're so awkward and I was so ugly. I was really an ugly teenager. I was.

I doubt it. I was ugly. Yes, I was. Skinny, really skinny, ugly, fully, fugly. So I can own that. I was not a cute girl. I was not cute. And so I think I lost my confidence.

So when I met Harry, I was shy. I was shy. I was shy. Beyond shy. Yeah. So did you let him, when you guys did get together, did you let him court you and were you still shy? Yes, but we went to Tahiti. He took me to Tahiti like a year and a half after we got together.

You were so mad at me on the last night because I had a net off the question. Another story. But let me get to this first. So we're going and posing in front of things. You know, he's taking pictures. There's no cell phones. So we have cameras. And there's this great mountain or whatever.

And he's going to take my picture. And he goes, do something. Like, don't just stand there. Like, do something with your arms. Like go like this or something. And so I did. And I swear to God, that. is what unleashed the dragon.

I'm looking for the picture right now. I know I've got it. All of a sudden it flipped a switch where you just really like came into your own personality. I guess. Why do you think that happened? I don't know. I think he gave me permission to go,

he went like this with his arms. I'm not kidding. He went, do something, go like this. Because she was standing like this. Like scared to death, I guess. And, and, and, and I said, well, you know, like, how about a little something, something, you know, for the picture.

And ever since, ever since, this. And where were you at here in your career? And what were you working on at the time when, like, I was just trying to contextualist. Oh, he was super famous L.A. Law. Like, one of the most famous people on the planet. Well, I was finished with L.A. Law. Yeah, but you were still like tabloid, Uber, Uber. He was Harry fucking Hamlin.

Super famous. I had a profile at the time. Huge. Huge. I guess. Come on, Harry. I can say it. Huge.

Huge. I can say it, too. So when you guys are out to dinner when you first get together, there's like people following you famous? No, not. I don't think that much. We were pretty, we were, we were very careful at the beginning. Yeah. Because the tab boys were everywhere.

I mean, they wanted to catch us. Yeah. We were very careful. And what happens when you get caught? Or maybe you decide to do it on your own? Well, they just know, at that point, you know, they just, you just saw paparazzi. I mean, remember, there's no cell phones, no, no social media. It was very different.

Nice. Different time. So nice without the, you know, it's like, we always say we're on the last cusp, I think, as a generation, because we got out of college right when social media was kind of coming out. Oh my God. So we had the cell phones and the pagers. Yes. And we didn't have the, we didn't have any of that.

And so we went through all those years. I think we're like the final ones to go through those years. Did, did Harry propose after you put pressure on him or did he come to his own conclusion? It took five and a half years. I came to my own. It's a long of time. How long did it take you? It took her to Tahiti, right?

This is a year and a half in. Was it? Yeah, whatever. Year and a half in. Get off your phone. I was looking for the picture. He wants to reminisce. That's okay.

Because that picture of you is so, like, nerdy, you know. He likes it, though, I think. Well, I mean, there's something about it that's kind of nerdy. So, but anyway, I decided, like, I love Tahiti. I mean, I had been out there a couple of times before, and I was so in love with Lisa. but not thinking about marriage at all because I've been burned in that area. Divorce twice by this point. And so I, well, I don't know if I was burned.

I burned. I burned. Who knows who's, who's. You were not in a hurry to get married. I was not in a hurry to get married. So I take her to Tahiti and it's lovely. And we get an over-the-water bungalow and it's beautiful. And we're like, we take moped, we're going around.

And all my friends are like, he's going to ask you him. He's going to do it on this trip. And it never crossed my mind. This was never even a thought, right? And every one of her friends were saying, he's taking you to see Haiti. He's going to pop the question, you know, watch out. And we get to the last night. And we're having dinner in the restaurant at the Boroboro Hotel.

And I noticed that she's getting a little sour, you know. And when we finish, I pay the check. And we walk back to the over-the-water bungalow. And on the way back, she's getting more and more and more sour. And I get there, we pull our bags out to pack because we're leaving the next morning. And then she gets more and more and more sour. And finally, like, it just comes to a head. And she just loses it.

I just say it, I think. I think I was like, I thought you were over. So where's the ring? Oh, God. God, it's so humiliating now. No, it's not. It's funny. I love it.

And then it took fucking four more years. So what did you do? Like, did you just, like, find little ways to get to him to get you to marry? Like, what was the strategy? You know, here was the strategy. This is what finally happened. You know, he had a bad breakup, really bad marriage breakup, right? Well, it was not pleasant.

It was not pleasant. And that one was particularly unpleasant because Michael Bolton was involved. because he was a pop singer at the time. It was like you guys are talking to the toilet. So she left him for Michael Bolton. Yeah, she went to a Michael Bolton concert. She left him for Michael Bolton. My mother died in early July of 1992.

Whether she wants to admit it or not, it's the truth. And she couldn't handle the fact that it was a real thing happening, which happened to be death. It wasn't real life, it was real death. Anyway, so I was up at our place in Canada with my son, and I had this nightmare that she had, had an affair. It was like, we were like that close. Me and Nicolette, and I had this nightmare, and I woke up at like 3 o'clock in the morning going, with a cold sweat, and I picked up the phone

and called her because she was in L.A. I was going to tell her that I had this nightmare, right? And no answer. It's midnight there. And then I wait 20 minutes, call again, no answer. And she never was, she always came home at night, right, all night long and never answered the phone. Figured something was going on. And I called up a friend of ours who said, you know, Harry, I think you and Nicklet have to talk. Imagine. He's in Canada. Three thousand miles away.

And I get my son in the car. We drive at the airport. I get on a plane right back. I come back. And sure enough, she had gone to a Michael Bolton concert the night before. And I guess, you know, must have looked behind her and seen all these, you know, centenarians clapping for him and said, oh, this guy must be really famous. I need some of that, right?

And she went home with him. So, I mean... That's some good shade, Harry, actually. I think that was really good. Some very smooth shade. What? He's smooth. Yeah, very smooth.

Very smooth. So at this point, you and Lisa had only met once. So what happens after you find this out about Michael Bolton? Well, he had, I mean, she and I had not really met at that point. No. We didn't. Just seen each other in that passing, passing. We had seen, I had seen her just briefly in that restaurant years before.

Like, I wouldn't even call that meeting, but you clocked me. I clocked her. Yeah. And then I flew back to L.A. and I found out what had happened and that my marriage was over. And this all happened within like 24 hours. It's awful. I know. It's really awful. Like two days later, our good friend Brad, who was a friend of mine and Nicolet's invited me to dinner at this restaurant, the same restaurant where I had originally met. It's this little tiny center that is near where we live that has like restaurants and stores and we all congregate there. And I have ever since I lived here. And I am also at the time. friends with Brad who he's talking about, but separately.

So Lisa was... And I'm working for him at the eyeglass store. She was not acting at the moment. She was... I was trying, but I was unemployed. She was doing the night shift at this eyeglass store. And I was on unemployment, and Brad was paying me under the table to work at the eyeglass store two nights a week.

And I was having dinner with him and just basically licking my wounds because, I mean, my marriage had dissolved overnight. You lost your wife to Michael Bolton. Thank you. God. That's an autobiography title. I know. Oh, maybe that should be your next book title. I lost my wife to Michael Bolton. But I married Lisa. And then married me. I always say thank you Michael Bolton. And I did get to thank him in person. That's another story. Oh, my God. It's so good. Okay. So we go. This is like five years ago. And I've known Michael Bolton myself through mutual friends, blah, blah, blah. You're not allowed to go to a Michael Bolton concert. You got a next out of this. Yeah. And he's got a great voice. I mean, he's a good. He's a good. He's a good. He's a good. He's a good. He's a He's an interesting dude, right? So we go to the Polo Lounge.

Like maybe five years ago, we're having dinner inside. It's more than that, but who's counting? Anyway, whatever. So it's long after this is all transpired. Now we have children and we've been through there for years and I'm grateful. How many years at this point? Just quickly. I'm going to say this has, we've been together.

We have kids, so we've been together 10 years. Whatever. 15 years. 15 years. So, yeah, look, it's cast in. stone our relationship at that point. So we're at the polo lounge and we come in and there's Michael Bolton sitting at one of the booths, you know, and he's at a table a few feet away from us. And I've always, I've already said on the show, because I'm on the show at this time,

I've already said, I would like to thank Michael Bolton. Remember that? And I want to send flowers to Michael Bolton. Well, this, I get to do it in person. I see them. So she gets, we're sitting there. And without saying a word, I get up from the table and walks over to Michael who's sitting at a banquet at the very end of the couch, and she gets down on one knee. Well, not really, but maybe, did I? I was there. I saw it. You get down on one knee and you reach out and take his hand and say, Michael, I just wanted

to thank you from the bottom of my heart. And he looks at her, and I don't know what he thought she was thanking him for, but he said, you're so welcome. Swear to God. He doesn't have any idea what you're thanking him for. He goes, you are so welcome. Like eye to eye. I mean, I'm thanking him for my life.

I'm basically saying without you, I would not have these children. And I must thank you. And he goes, you are so welcome. That's exactly what you would want him to say. And I could just hear it in his voice. It was fantastic. I'll never forget it. I wanted to do that so badly.

I got to do it. And he received it, honey. And he gave it back. I love it. No, he's a great guy. I mean, he, I think was honestly. You would not be with me without him. So we thank him.

So we thank him. You mentioned. you're working at an eyeglass store at night. Yeah. At what point do you transition to really get into acting? And are you supporting her acting career? Did you guys go on auditions together? What does that look like?

I get Days of Our Lives. I get the role of Billy Reed on Days of Our Lives. That was the very first one. Wait, that was the first role you ever got? Well, she worked with Jason Bateman. I had done, what was that show that I did with Jason? The Hogan family. Okay.

So I did a guest spot on the Hogan family. I did a little guest spot on murder, she wrote. This was the first real gig. Which is huge at the time. At huge. Huge. Huge. It was like housewives of that generation.

It was. And I grew up watching Days of Our Lives with my mom. I grew up watching Young and the Restless General Hospital. Like, that was what we did. We came home and watched soaps. And then you taped them. So I get this job and it's a huge deal in my life because my mom thinks soap operas are like, you know, you're the biggest movie star and you've just won an Oscar. So I thought it was cool.

Hollywood didn't think it was so cool, right? So I just went in and made it like it was the greatest thing ever. And then if you think it's the greatest thing ever, everyone else will. Why didn't Hollywood think it was cool? It was way down on the totem pole. Like, if you were on a soap, they were not going to hire you on a daytime television show or a film. What about Demi Moore? Well, a lot of people started there, but you jumped quick.

Everybody started in soaps, but it was not cool to do them. Okay. It wasn't. No, you were, it would be like... You just wanted it as like a jumping point to get. Yes. Okay. Yes.

The hours of a soap is like to me when I hear and know that you were on a soap, people don't realize the discipline. The training. Can you explain like the hours and what goes on behind the scenes of a soap? I can. It is five days a week, 40 pages, 20 to 40 pages of dialogue a day. If you have a big storyline, which I did. So that.

And 50 weeks of the year. Yeah. There's no time off. Two weeks. How long did you do it for? Three years. Did you even have a life? No. I finally kind of said, no, that was my life. I kind of said, you know, if we're going to have a life, you can't do this anymore. And most people stay. You know, if you think about it, people have been there for 30, 40, 50 years. I knew that if I didn't leave when my contract was up, which was three years, I would

never go. I would end up on a soap for the rest of my life because you get a paycheck. It's secure. Da-da-da-da-da. So I knew I had to leave. So I did. Are you guys married at the point that you leave? No. No. So when'd you pop the question, Harry? If you didn't do it in Tahiti, she's looking for the rose petals. When did you do it? It wasn't just the Tahiti moment was one moment. And then I decided that it was time to actually pop the question right around your birthday. It must have been your 32nd birthday because I threw your 30th birthday party, but that was the first year we were together. Right. So you were maybe 30th birthday because I had Delilahette 34. Well, no, no. So it was 32. So it was her birthday, and I had called up my jeweler and had him make a ring, beautiful, which is the ring that you had wearing right now.

And I had him make this ring up. Yeah, but it's so fucking shady what you did. Go ahead. I'm just going to say that right out of the gate. It's so fucking shady how you did it and everyone is going to agree with me. Go ahead. I have no fucking clue what you're talking about. Be making this ring for me for my birthday, okay?

So, well, okay, so it's her birthday. And there's emeralds on the side instead of diamonds. I'm going to pop the question. It's her birthday. And I decide I'm going to pop the question tonight. So I'm going to take her to dinner in Malibu, right? And after dinner, we'll have a few presents, and the last one will be the ring, you know. So I pull out the first presents and we finished dinner.

And I'm all excited. I've gotten this ring. I've had it made. I'm about to pop the question, right? And I pull out this strand of opera strand pearls, you know, a little. long strand of pearls. And I give her that. Again, I must be thinking I'm going to get a ring.

I don't know. I don't know what you were thinking. But you thought that my giving you pearls was like so stupid that you were so incensed that I would give you pearls. I was also drunk at this point. I was a little bit drunk. She went off. Like she, she got so mad at me. I had PTSD from Tahiti.

Okay. A guy, if a guy took me to Tahiti and didn't propose on the water stilts. Thank you. Oh. Okay. So now we're getting pearls, girl. Now we're getting long pearls. So now I've given her a big thing of pearls and a couple of other presents and she loses it, right? So much so that when we're leaving, we're driving away down in Malibu, she says, she says, let me out of the car.

I just did that yesterday. Stop the car. She said that yesterday. So you know what we're talking about, right? I'm like, stop the car. I'm getting out. And I'm walking down PCH like this. She got out.

I got out, baby. I'm so fucking mad. So, but the thing is, like, I still had the ring in my pocket and I never gave it to her because she got so pissed off that I gave her pearls. I was like, fuck you. I'm not going to give you, I'm not going to invite you to marry me now after this, right? Such a nightmare. So that ring went back in my pocket and we resolved that fight that night. That night is 3 a.m.

You bring the ring out and you say, I was going to propose to you. And here's the ring. Oh, I did. We are somewhere. Are we still together? We have a similar thing actually, remember? Did you take the ring and say yes? I took the ring.

Well, then I proposed in Canada. I didn't. No, he kept the ring for a while. Like, I saw it, and it was just a big nightmare. He went and changed the emeralds out for diamonds, and then he redid it a month later. She did a little micromanage? Yeah.

Well, she said I don't like emeralds. Is that what I said? Yes. Oh, that would have been nice, actually. Maybe she's like another emerald ring. Yeah. Yes. She could use.

an emerald ring, that'd be a cute gift. I love that idea. It would pull back the nostalgia. Thank you. Maybe the girls all, they need three matching emerald rings. Oh, I love it. And so a month later, he finally proposes, right? A month later. I was up in Canada.

It was a month later. And you said yes. I did. At dinner. He sits across from me at dinner and says, I think we should get married. There's a casualty about him that's cute, though. It's like sweet. It is sweet.

Yeah. It is, but I did make him get on his knees in the bathroom and do it properly. Good. Because I, you know. When is this? When was this to a bathroom? Lisa Rana makes her husband get on his knees in the bathroom. Get ready for that.

That is not my fault. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. The bathroom? It was on the bath mat. Yeah. That's where you did it. Outside saying they won't pull things in the context.

No, I did it at the joke club sitting at the table. Yes, you did. But later I made you get on your knee and redo it because you were sitting next to me at dinner and asked me to marry you. And I said, no, now you need to get on your knees. And you did it in the bathroom. You wanted the whole proper thing. Yes, who doesn't.

You don't remember that? I said yes already and I made him redo it so I got the whole thing. Okay, whatever you say. It's true. I prefer when you're on your knees. You know what I called, duh, with all my skills. Of course you do. You know what I told Michael to get tattooed on his ass?

Yes, dear. Yeah, all your lives will be so much easier. Happy life. Did you do this? No. It's like so easy. Yes, dear. It's, he still hasn't learned yet.

I asked my dad, I was like, Dad, I love my mom. They're still married. I was like, how the hell you've been married someone? He's like, son, I don't speak and I don't hear. I don't speak and I don't hear. It's not hard. I don't understand. You literally just sit there like a, it's so puppet.

Well, the reason we started doing this show, she was out on all her channel saying all this wild shit about me all the time. I'm like, I need to be able to get in here and answer this to look. I'm not just. Good for you. Solidarity, man. Solarity, man. Solanarity, brother.

I couldn't have it anymore. You couldn't take it. I couldn't take it. I'm here. At this point in Canada, when you finally do propose, you said you're very famous. What shows, movies, what are you doing, Harry? At that moment? Yeah.

What was I doing? It was L.A. Law. You'd just come off of L.A. L.A. Law was, like, huge. Yeah, it was a huge show. Huge. I mean, you'd done Clash of the Titans. But by this time, I'd been off it for four or five years. So I was doing other stuff. Yeah, a lot of movies and miniseries. Movies and miniseries and miniseries.

I was going to Australia a lot and working there. I don't remember what I was doing. I mean, like, my career is like a blur. I don't really pay that much attention to it. It's what pays the rent. You're very multifaceted. It seems like you have a lot of interest. It's not just acting.

He does, absolutely. Yeah, I do. Yeah. Cooking. Has he always been cooking for you? No. No, it's kind of new because, you know, in the beginning he cooked, he would make spaghetti, aleo, pepper, and chino.

Yeah. Which is so delish. Yeah. And then we had kids. And then, no. Well, before kids, we went out a lot. You know, we were in that going out stage. We'd go to Drays and we'd like smoke cigarettes in the back.

It was so fun. I have martinis. And have martinis. That sounds kind of fun. It was so fun. So we went out all the time. So no one was cooking. And then we had kids.

And then like the nannies would cook for the kids. And then we had them starting to cook for us. And so I don't know, blah, blah. And then now we're empty nesters. That's really when he started cooking. Because somebody had to. It was really the pandemic, too. I mean, you couldn't go out, right?

So I started to cook every day during the pandemic, and I think that's kind of where it came from. But cooking is a very minor. But he's always known how to do it. Okay. You know, so then he kind of just did it. And then you go, oh, my God, your food is really good. I'd rather eat your food than go out.

And then it just... And you know what's going in it? And it's healthy. Which is amazing. Yeah. I would like to know this is a selfish question. You guys, Michael and I are obviously like, we're not famous actors, but we do a show together and you get busy.

How did you guys balance raising children and doing what you're doing? Hard. Yeah. It's really hard. I don't know. I would love to know. It's really, really hard. We had help.

I mean, I think it takes a village. It takes a village. Come on. You can't like. Yeah, we have help. We're very honest about. I tell you all the time on the show. I have a lot of help.

And you know what? I'm going to tell you this. Thank God because it creates better, more well-rounded children. I'm not kidding. I think it's way better to have a lot of people raising your kids than just you because they get so much from other people. Yeah. It's okay. Yeah.

You don't have to be super mom and super dad. You have to be present. Yeah. Clearly. You have to be there, but you can have other people around and it's okay, don't you think? Well, I know that the people that, Lorraine has been in our life for 30-some-odd years. Wow. She came with Harry.

She came with me. Like literally family. She is family now. She's 32 years. 21 years old she was when you met her. Or 19. I mean, she was a child. And she didn't speak English for the first 10 years. So I never told her what to do.

She just showed up and did it, whatever she felt. It was perfect. How did you guys know that your girls were sparkly? And what I mean by that is, you know, they're both special. And like I told you, Amelia came on the show in 2020 years ago. And even that, like, she was phenomenal. She's phenomenal. She's phenomenal. She really is.

And I almost sometimes wish people got to see her personality more. I remember walking away from talking to her because she was so much younger than us. And so was she like, like, like, wow. She's impressive. We were like, whoa. Because sometimes you get people on a mic and you're like, oh, it's like pulling teeth. Right. She came and she was more impressive than some of the adults we've had.

Really? Oh, yeah. How did you guys, do you guys remember a moment when they were little that you knew like they're destined for something? No. I did. I did. I'm very districting. He's like, no.

I'm like, yes. Wait a second. They were children. I never looked at them and went, oh, these girls are going to be really famous. Well, I mean, I... That's so honest. It is. I just knew they were special.

I mean... What makes them special? They're children. Oh, what are your daughters were just on the cover of Vogue? Well, they have made themselves special. They were born special. They have worked. They have worked really hard to become the people that they are.

the people that they are. He's not wrong. And we also gave them the opportunity to be in these schools. But they were freaking special. They were freaking special. They were. I can tell you they were. They were fucking kids. Your show, just so you know, is going to crush it. I know. I'm very excited for it. I'm going to crush it. I know. Keep going. It's going to do very long. I know. I'm going to sit back with a piece of hay and my tooth keep going out. I know. I know. Um, okay, wait, let me just talk about it. Okay, so Delilah's first. She comes out. She is like a fucking light. Like, she is not normal. I don't. I My children are normal. I have normal children.

What are you talking about? You don't get it. You do not see the layers of depth that I see. I see layers of light and depth. And are you biased in any way? Is there any bias in that? I think we're a mix of your, you two have, it's Harry's kept them humble and you've kept them confident.

Maybe. Maybe not. I don't know. I think they're special beings, but don't, you, of course you think that about your children. But if you tell them they're special, then they become ultra-narcissistic. I know what you're saying. Yeah, I mean, no, they're normal kids.

And we gave them an extraordinary opportunity because we gave them their elementary school was one of the most amazing places ever. It's called the Westland School. We did a few things right. And we knew that the Westland School was not academic. We knew that it was about teaching kids how to be humans. Have you heard of progressive schools? No, he's right. They're like, they're like granola, artsy, fartsy, fartsy.

They don't teach them how to read. Like, they let them just kind of read on their own. Kind of entrepreneurial in their own space. Kind of independent. They get to be very creative. Like they learn reading and math and all that stuff through doing other things, creative things. They don't just like learn reading and math.

I wish my parents sent me to that school. Well, you know what? I got to tell you, it was the greatest thing we ever did. That's why they are the humans that they are today because we sent them to that school. Look for progressive schools. It's completely the opposite of what we're taught to go to and learn from. and we had to take a leap of faith and let me just tell you the story for one second

how I figured this out because you know everybody's looking for schools and you gotta look when they're like in preschool right? You're already looking we just had to do all these interview things I was like what's, I mean because we're both public school kids so I was like well same with me my dad's like you're going wherever the bus is going

well I wish we had done that but not for this one so I met the pet store up at the Glen Center back at the Glenn Center they had a pet store which was fantastic and we'd all go in there with the kids and they'd have a great time. I'm in there one day. The kids are in the back with the birds or something,

and there's a little girl standing next to me. She's 10. The kids would be like babies. Four, three, four, two, something around there, like toddlers. So I'm standing next to this 10-year-old girl, and she is talking to me, and she's so self-possessed and aware and lovely and kind. I said, excuse me, may I ask you where you go to school? I'm like right in the school, you know, interviews.

She goes, I go to this school called Westland. And she starts telling me about it. I run home and I go, Harry, we have to send the kids to Westland. This kid is the most self-possessed, self-aware child I've ever seen in my life. She did say that this kid was really self-possessed and looked her right in the eye. And that was, I guess, you know, that was the result, I suppose, of her parenting and also having gone to that school. Yeah. So guess what? We went to that school and everyone thought we were crazy.

But like, what school are you going to? Lawrence is another school in the Valley. It was a very academic school, very well done. The school is very well thought of. And we went to the school. Lawrence 2000. Lawrence 2000. And it was an old gentleman who ran the school, and he met Delilah, and he fell in love with her.

She was like three. And we walked around. And he wrote us a letter saying, I met your daughter, and I really want her to come to Lawrence. We want her here. And so we went to do a tour. of the school. And as we were walking through the school, we walked, there was a quad in the middle of the school and we walked by a tree, a cumquot tree. It was right next to the pathway where all the kids walked. And the little comquot tree, which is about six feet tall, was covered with

comquots. And I said to Lisa, wait a minute, these kids are running by this cumquot tree every day and they're not grabbing the cum quats and throwing them at each other. So this is like a Steppford school. I mean, these kids are, this, this tree should have no cum quats on it at all. He's not wrong. I know. They're not, they're not being resourceful. Yeah. He's not wrong. It takes a while to tell his stories, but he's not wrong. You know, you're not wrong. They should grab a cumquot. Right? I would grab a cum quad. That's why we didn't go to the school. We didn't go to the school, because they'd never grab the cumquot. It's too perfect. It was Stepfordy. But also like, you're not, you're not, you're not, you're not, listening to the birds and seeing the flowers and pulling the

cumquot and tasting it. Something's weird there. Maybe they were fake. No, they were real. Anyway, that kept us. It was kind of a stupid reason not to go to a school, but nevertheless, we took them to the right school. Yes, we did. They came out great. And then how did you guys continue to instill all these incredible qualities that they have?

Did you guys have like a meeting of the minds where you were like, this is really important to us, or was it just? No. It's just catches catch-cann. Also, they, on their own, decided they wanted to figure things out. For example, I went to, it was in Delilah's room looking at the suitcases that we put in there this morning, and I saw the books on her bookshelf next to her bed. Yeah. Wayne Dyer. Wow. Marianne Williamson. Yeah. I mean, they were reading these books about, you know, what it's like to be alive and be human in this day and age. Yeah. On their own. I never gave them. Delilah, I gave her Marianne Williamson's something love. Return to Love. That's the first book.

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I invited and I do. I think it might be or even have her on. She loves getting information that way. Yeah. Loves it. You can tell she's curious. Barry. She's smart too.

And they're smart in different ways. They're completely opposite like we are. They're totally different. Huh. And I wouldn't think that. I thought you were going to say they were similar. No. They're different.

Totally different. Like what's the difference? What's the difference? Well, one's blonde, one's dark. That's just, visually. Well, Amelia is very, highly, highly, highly intelligent. And when she sets her mind to something,

she gets it. So I don't know what you call that. Her manifestation skills are off the chart. And she always has been like that. Like if she wanted something when she was little, she got it. She found a way to get it. I think that's the best quality you can teach children, by the way.

I don't know how. I don't even think I taught it. And now they live by the law of attractive. And then how is Delilah different? Delilah is more ethereal, is how I would describe it. She's more kooky and she's very funny and lets things happen and is not as controlling. Going back to the very, very, very beginning, okay? So I delivered both of the kids.

Wait, wait, wait, wait. You have to explain that. You wait, hold on. Tell me about the party. We met Chuck Woolery. Remember Chuck Woolery? No. The game show host.

What did Chuck Woolery do? It doesn't matter. Anyway. Google it. So we were at this party and this guy comes up to me and he sees Lisa is really pregnant. Yeah. And he says, you know, Harry, what you got to do is deliver your own kids. And we were like, what?

I said, excuse me? You can do that? He said, yeah, you can do that? You know, you just have to watch a video and you make, work it out with your OBJWAM. And the doctor will let you. And he goes, do I have to wear gloves? He's like, no. So anyway, so.

Did I take your story away? See, he got frustrated with me. He was like, fucking bitch just took the story. I did the same exact thing to my phone. You just take them out of the timeline. I didn't start again. Start again. You know what she does?

She jumps at the end of the story. I want him to speed it up. Save with me. And I'm like, you're like to hear the story. Yeah, they like to build up. You tell stories way too fast. All right. Same.

You guys, if you ever need anyone to fill in, guess who's here? All right, Harry, tell the story about Chuck Woolery and the baby. No, I don't want to tell that story. I want to tell the story about the girls at the very beginning, right? So when you were in labor for 24 hours, more than that, you know, and she wanted to have a natural job. Oh, fuck that shit. We had a duet with a turban on. So, you know.

And you don't get an award for that, by the way. You do not get an award for giving birth naturally. 15 hours I tried to go. I asked for the epidural before I'm in pain, but gone. By the way. Finally, after 24 hours, she said, she said, give me the show. Give it to me. So, but I'm there the whole time waiting because I'm going to be

pulling the kid out, right? And so she's in labor all this time. And finally the moment comes and the doctor says, the crown is out, you know, it's time to come over. I come over and he says, it's all yours. And I have to reach in now and go in and grab a shoulder and pull it out. And I did say, wear my gloves.

He said, you're the dad. You don't need to wear gloves. So anyway, as I pulled her out, I noticed, I said, oh my God, we've given birth to a monster. Because her head. Oh, I know. Her head was like six inches long, like a cone. And she looked like the flying purple people eater.

And I didn't know what to say. Like, oh, my God, Lisa, I know. I had to pull the baby out with still with the umbilical cord attached. And our whole plan was to put the baby on Lisa's stomach and then to have the baby breastfeed right away. And I'm going, how can I tell her that the baby is deformed? That we've given birth to a monster, you know. And I was terrified.

But the whole thing. And their nurse came in and said, Oh, don't worry, here's a hat. Put a hat on. A hat on the cone. On the cone. So Lisa couldn't see that she was so deformed. But she was in the canal.

The very small birth canal. She was in the canal for 24 hours. And imagine the trauma of being in that birth canal for that long. I don't think Lisa Rana has a big birth canal, right? I don't. I'm just going to guess. It was narrow. And she was squished in there.

And she's got some head trauma from it, I think. Okay. So that's the liable. Okay, so I'm trying to define the difference between these two kids. But Jesus, it's taking a lot. It's taking as long as our head. No, I'm keeping up.

By the way, by the way, it is freaky when they come out like that. That same thing happened with towns for a second. And I thought, like, what's happening here? And it kind of goes back. And they don't tell you about that. They tell you about that. They tell you about that. They don't tell you about that.

It comes out long, like a long head. So, and so Amelia comes to, we go to the hospital. Three years later. Three years later. Amelia, she's pregnant. We go to the hospital. Now, this time, I'm prepared. I've got a cooler.

I've got a boom box. I've got a sleeping bag. I've got all this stuff in the car that I've got to go. She goes, they put her in the bed. I'm going out to get the cooler. I come back and out comes Amelia. I like get that epidural right as I'm before I'm even lying down. I walk back in with the cooler and the doctor says, Harry, you're up.

And I go, what? I have to go over and pull out Amelia. So Amelia came right out. She was not stuck in the canal. So one child has had to deal with all that. trauma and Amelia didn't have to deal with it. So that kind of explains. She came out silently. So Delilah comes out screaming bloody murder, of course, right? Because her head is like a cone. Amelia comes out silent. Huh. Not a word. You're scared about that too. So there you can't win.

Nothing. Not a word. And then pee's all over you, right? She peed all over her. Her very first natural act. She still was attached with the cord and I'm pulling her out and I feel this warm stuff on my hands. I looked down and she's peeing all over her father. It's cool, though, that you delivered your own kids. I won't let Michael go anywhere near my pussy when I'm delivering. You don't want him to look at it. No, thanks. I don't want him to look at anything.

It's probably smart. I want him out of my hair. Wait a second. I got to tell you, the bond created by delivering the kid and going in there. And between me and Lisa, too. It wasn't just between me and the kids. It's true. It's pretty amazing.

No, I'm sure it's amazing. But it wouldn't touch me for three months because I got snipped. You got snipped like you couldn't have any more babies. No, I got a cut. You got an episiotomy. And he watched it. So the doctor didn't tell him. He didn't say, oh, maybe Harry, you want to look away.

No. He just reached over for a pair of sterling silver scissors and went like this and just went sniff. And he was like chicken. Lauren, our bond's pretty good. No, I don't want you near there. I just don't, I don't want. He's a little like panicked. Well, then I don't know.

Yeah. No, listen, I'm a quick for certain thing. I don't want to mess up. I don't think it's a bad idea. I'm good. I don't think it's about a bit. I don't think it's about. you would have a good bond, but I think you're going to have to miss out.

But I will say this time, like, so I did the second time around, you know, cooler cookies or the nurse, all the things, sleeping bags, this time I'm going to come with their tents. Like, because that little chair they put the guys on, it's brutal. The facts that you guys are complaining about the shit for the husbands is honestly wild. And embarrassing.

And so embarrassing. By the way, she's passing a bowling ball through an opening that big. And getting cut in this and stitch. I got a cut. Did you get cut? That is the worst part of the moment. I don't remember, like, if they cut me. You wouldn't remember. Or you rip.

Maybe, yeah, they put a husband stitch in there. Yeah, they did. Yeah. I told my doctor, I was like, you better stitch that like 16-year-olds. So the OBG went and looked at me and he said, you're going to like this. Yeah. When he started, when he started to stitch her back up. I got no problems down there.

I'm tight as a drum. Oh my God. Not be the headline. No, he's right. Tide as drunk. All my girlfriends are like having their vajajas, like, all redone. There's the doctor. He came on our podcast, the vagina whisper.

Yeah. He does the whole. They've all done it. They're all getting their labias sewn up. And does it look good? I don't, I haven't looked. They're happy with it.

They're happy with it. He told me that all the politicians' wives love it. I'm not even going down that. I'm not even going to ask about that. All the politicians' wives love the vagina makeover. Okay. I don't know why that makes me so nervous. I think I don't think he isolated it to just politicians.

It was a, it was an emphasis. on politicians' wives. Wow. I'm just saying that's what it was. Well, that's a competitive field. Maybe that's how you keep your husband? I don't know. What are you doing between days of our lives and housewives, both of you, career-wise?

Melrose place. Oh, my God. Yeah. Was that so amazing that time? Because I watched it. That was like the biggest thing. And I came on season five. So, I mean, imagine getting to go on your favorite show you ever watch.

Housewives? Right. But no, no. I don't think I'd be good on Housewives, so I've watched too many. Like Harry said, I've watched too many. But Melrose place is insane. It was fun. It was a great time.

It was in the height of it. Everybody was so famous. Heather Lockler was the biggest, you know, actor on the planet at the point. No one was more famous. Who else was on the show with you? Daphnees Zaniga, Josie Bissette, Jack Wagner, Heather. Oh, who played Michael? Fuck, I can't remember.

Laura Layton. I mean, everybody. You guys were like, like, that was. Like the height of fame. It was high. It was very much. And is there a paparazzi at this point? Very much so.

So everywhere you guys go. Yeah, especially Heather Locklear. Like somebody like Heather couldn't go anywhere. Wild. Very famous. And what are you doing at this time? Raising the kids. Oh, so you took a break in your career to raise the kids?

My son, essentially. Ursula Anders is my son's mother. She was the first bond girl. You may or may not know of that. Exactly that is. Yeah. Every young man does.

Yeah, right? So she... Nobody more gorgeous. So she took my son to Italy to raise him, and so I couldn't, I wasn't with him. I was here. She was there. So he kind of had some issues because dad wasn't around when he was growing up. So when we had our kids, I said to Lisa, listen, I'm not going to make that mistake again.

I'm going to be here all during their childhood. And not go film like in Canada or... I'm not going to go and take a job in New York or Canada or Sydney, Australia, whatever. I'm not going to go on location. I'll stay here. And then what happened is the business in L.A. took off. In 1998, that was when all the incentives came up in Louisiana, New York, and all that. And the business left L.A.

So basically, I stayed, and I put the kids to bed every night for 18 years. And I worked a little extra. Wow. Yeah. She kind of did the heavy lifting for a while because I stayed home with Mr. Mom. But it was worth it. How long were you on Melrose Place? Only two years.

And then what was after Melrose Place? I did a talk show. Then I did a pivot. And I did a talk show for four years. called Soap Talk. I remember that. Remember Soap, I remember that. Nominated for an Emmy every year, by the way.

That was cool. Jeez, you were like, you went to like the housewife school. You were like almost now the days of the lives, the Melrose place. Think about it. Oh, I can think about it. Well trained for that job. I came in with a pedigree. It's true.

No one had a chance. And they didn't. Yeah, no one had a chance. No one had a chance. And I didn't even know that. You know what I mean? You didn't know going. I didn't know.

I didn't know I was as prepared for what I was about to do. I had no idea that I had trained for it for the past like eight years. That's kind of wild. Think about that. The foreshadowing of that? Like I know now. Now that we're talking about it, I go, yeah, I was a good housewife. I had some really good training.

I'm, like I said, a connoisseur, you are in the Hall of Fame. I am. And the Hall of Fame is not like a big Hall of Fame. I know. And I can say that too. You did it. You check the box. I checked the box.

You know what I mean? I say that she's the goat. Oh. So cute. I mean, I haven't seen all the other shows. No, Lisa, you were great. I did my job. Yeah, and I watch, you know, he asked if I want, I watch, it's kind of hard not to watch

when it's on. Of course. You love it. Side note. He watched every single one when I was on. Side note, listening to reality TV and specifically the housewives just from your ear when someone's listening is the most annoying thing in the world. I don't care.

But watching it is a different thing. Yeah. You can't side listen to it. You got to watch it. So why she would hide. have it on, I would get drawn in. Of course. So would he. And you were great.

Thank you. Really great. Yeah, she was. I would like to watch it again. After you did the soap was then housewives or no, what was. So I did soap talk. You had a store. I had a store for 10 years with Harry.

That's what we did in 2000. Palm Springs. I remember. Well, it was in Palm Springs. No, it was here in Sherman Oaks. Oh, why did I think? Something was in Palm Springs. We, no.

We talked about in Las Vegas. No, something in your book was in Palm Springs. Or am I crazy? Used to go to Palm Springs. Something in your book about it. All right. So you're not crazy. We used to go there a lot.

Okay, I thought there was Palm Springs. Okay, Sherman Oaks. So we did Bell Gray and then, what did I, how did I get, it was after Belgrade that. What did I do after that? How did I get to Housewives? Well, I, listen, I couldn't even get an agent. I was really not in a great place to get hired. Why?

I don't know. Whatever. We walked out, we did this retail thing. We did stores from 2003 to 2011. And I think, you know, that takes up all your time. Yeah. If you're going to do a store, you go into retail. It's a lot of work.

A brick and water. It's a lot. It was mom and pop. We didn't have anybody backing us. We did it ourselves. So when Housewives comes knocking, are you like, I want to do this? Are you like, I don't know? Well, I knew that reality was really the place that was starting to happen.

Yeah. You know, because I'm visually that way I can tell what's going on. So I was like, hmm, this is interesting. And then I started to see, you know, what the girls were doing on Housewives and how they were, you know, benefiting from it with their brain. And I thought, oh, maybe this is a good idea. So I kind of floated the idea. They picked it up. They came to me and said, you know, do you want to do the show?

I went to Harry. And I said, I think this might be a good idea. What do you think? He goes, absolutely not. I will divorce you if you do that show. I did say that. I said, I have my divorce lawyer on speed dial, which I do. I still have it.

How did you convince him with the point? And so at that point, I was like, oh, well, okay. You know, it was an idea. Ironically, ironically, it was Bethany Frankel. Her business at the time. Her skinny girl business at the time. I went back to him. No, I didn't go back to him.

All I said was, okay, all I want you to do is just check out this person and see what her business is like. And because that's what I'm thinking. And we had a QVC business at the time. I had just started doing QVC. You were crushing. People need to know about that. Thank you. Yeah, we got to talk about that.

Thank you. So I said, just think about that. And he was like, nope, nope, I'll divorce you. No fucking way. And I was like, okay. And I let it go. I said everybody gets divorced on that show. He did.

And I said, okay, I'll let it go. He's not wrong, though. He wasn't wrong. He wasn't wrong. Yeah. And I walked away, and I didn't even hold the thought. I thought, well, maybe it was an idea, but he's not going to go for it. Fine.

Two or three days later, he comes back to me in the bedroom because that's kind of where we have our talks. And I'm like in bed and he sits in the chair. With your Ivy Mugs? Yes. That's very good. Is that why we have the Ivy Mugs? Yes. Yes.

We surround on. Go ahead. The pineapple one and the iconic print. Go ahead. I should have had one here. Every morning. I'm bringing one here now for my room. You should. I'm going to drink that on air. You know what? You should do a collaboration with that. Exactly. Anyway, so three days later, he comes back in the room and says, well, I've been thinking. And then what did you say? Well, I said if Benny Frankel can build a business like that, we can. too. Why don't you do it?

Maybe this is the way to do it, you know. But yeah, that was, and it was a good thing. Look, I supported her the whole time doing it. He certainly did. Couldn't do it or shouldn't do it. There was one caveat, though, that people should know, and no one knows. So I'm going to say it. So when I first started talking to them, I said, listen, Harry's an actor.

We can't fuck his career. So what are we going to do about that? And they're like, we have to have all husbands on the show, da, da, da, da. And I go, but we can't ruin his career. He's a real actor. Yeah. So I ended up talking to Sherry Levine, who was the top, top, top lady. And I just said, you know, I really want to do it, but is there anything we can do to just limit his exposure?

And they agreed to that. No, no, they didn't. Wait a sec. They did. I have to say, I have to go back. What? You remember the very first night you were on the show, you were at Pump. Yes.

And I was shooting a show. I was up in Vancouver shooting. That's a different story, though. But it's how I didn't have to go on the show. Okay, finish. I forget. I forget, finish. But that's the deal I made. That's the deal I made with them. I had to sign a release in order for me to come on the show. And they said, we will not hire Lisa unless Harry signs is released. I blanked this out. And I was up. I always blank things out. Yeah. I was up in Canada filming this thing. And I said, Lisa, listen, I'm going to miss my plane. Because they wanted me to fly back that night and be part of the shoot. Her very first night was your birthday. It was my birthday. Very first night, she would ever be. beyond the housewise, and I was supposed to join them, but I couldn't walk on the set without

signing the release. They're such fuckers. So, but I, and I was supposed to get there at seven when they were going to start to shoot, and I missed my flight on purpose. I came in at 930, and they had already shot two and a half hours with Lisa. And when I got there, they said, sign the release. I said, I'm not signing the release. And they pulled all the cameras out. They said, okay, we're not going to shoot Lisa. Lisa's not on the show. And then they called New York, and New York had seen the footage for the two and a half hours that she's been on. And they said, She's golden. We can't lose her now.

I got him pregnant. And then I refused to sign the release. He never signed anything. So they had to put me on without a release. That's how I was able to do it without having to be on the show. You knew this was going to happen? Yeah, I knew. I couldn't sign it.

Wait, this is like the most genius thing I've ever heard. So you never signed anything so you could come and go and be as fluid as you wanted to without having a chokehold. And they knew that they had gold with you, like you said. They know. I had gotten them pregnant. And I let them shoot with her for two and a half hours. Totally forgot this. And they knew how great she was in that first two and a half hours.

That's right. That's why they never fucking sued us or came down on us or anything because you didn't have, you didn't sign anything. Isn't there also a clause and correct me if I'm wrong that if you launch a product on the show, they have to take a percentage? Yes, but it was right before that whatever clause that people are talking about that they're talking about. because when I came on with my QVC deal

and I said, you're not getting an ounce of that. And they said, okay, so they didn't take an ounce of that, but anything else that I would do going forward, yeah. But my question, I guess, is if he had signed a release, would he have to give a percentage of his sauce? No. Okay, no. Okay.

Not probably, but I don't know. I don't know. So it's so good he did it. But you know what? If we were still on and he made the sauce on the show, they would want something, yes. Well, what you guys did so smart, in my opinion, is you sort of like content marketed the sauce.

Like, you made everyone watching the show want the sauce right now, but it wasn't for sale. So then when you launch it, everyone's like obsessed. But it was a complete accident. It was an accident. It was a genius accident. It was a genius accident without ever any planning going in. There was no planning because I actually started the company

to release the sauce because I had no choice. I mean, everywhere I went. What's a sauce? Two things. came out of people's mouths. I love your wife. How can I get your sauce? Well, when you walked in, I said, where's my sauce?

I know, why don't we bring some? That's okay. We can't get you some. No, no, I'm going to order it. I want to order it. I want to support. So when Lisa, you're filming, what are the other housewives

that you like playing off of in a sort of like soap opera way? And were you one of the first women on that show to come with the background you have? Denise Richards came later. Was she on? Eileen and I came on together.

So, Eileen Davidson and I came on together. And listen, Kim Richards and Kyle were child actors. Sure. So we're not the first first, but we were the first ones to come on with an acting profile. In the beginning, I was up for Housewives season one. I went in. I went in for casting. I got pretty far.

And Andy said, I don't want any actresses on the show. So he wouldn't, didn't hire me. He'll tell the story. He tells the story. Season five, when I came in, he decided to let actresses come and they hired me and Eileen Davidson. So it did change the game because we came in as soap actors. You know what I mean? Like together. Who was the most fun, though, to film with in a dramatic, like, soapy way? Like, when you look back at it, who was like, who was the ping pong?

Her. Only Eileen, because it was not fun. It's none of it is fun. Nothing's fun. I have a question that I've asked so much. many housewives that have come on this show. I asked Jenna Lyonses. I could not go on those trips. There's something about those trips that make me sweat with hives. Like you don't have, I like to be with my significant other. I think you're the same way. You don't have your kids. You don't have your stuff. The girls' trips. You might not have your glam. I don't know. It's just, it feels like really overwhelming. And then you're stuck with all this drama. Is that like a nightmare? It's a total nightmare. Yeah, it seems like it. Well, if you think about it, my very first season is when

Amsterdam happened. That was my first trip. That was my first trip. I didn't know that. Yeah. And it's so devastating because you have no idea. You're like, I don't really want to go on this trip, but we have to. And we'll make it fun. We'll make it fun. But it's everything you just said, but that was 10 bejolian times. And you're jet lagged. And you're jet lagged. And you're really overtired and they make you work right away. And you're not eating. And so, you know, Amsterdam happened after we sat down for only five minutes. We'd only been there. for five minutes when that blow up happened. And explained if someone hasn't watched the show,

what scene you're referencing? Well, there's a scene in Amsterdam where Kim Richards says something about Harry or she insinuates something to me about Harry. Now, we'd already been having issues on the show and she was giving me the cold shoulder on the trip to Amsterdam. So it was already weird.

You know when somebody won't talk to you, won't look at you? So it was already weird. So we were all already heightened. And the producers had basically told her what she needed to do. She had her walking papers and her orders. And she did it. She just did it.

And they knew exactly the buttons to push. And we were sitting at a dinner. And she said something insinuating about Harry. We hadn't even ordered drinks yet. I was going to say, was there alcohol? No, not even. I mean, I think we had ordered them, but nobody had even taken a sip. So she says something that is so it enrages me in a,

way that nothing ever has. Didn't she say let's not talk about the husband? She did. She said let's not talk about what you don't want out there. And she had already called Eileen a beast and she was already being a full on cunt. And so when she went after Harry, well, when she went after Harry, that was it, right? Like there was a buildup. You were done. You can go see the scene a bazillion times. So I literally found myself across the table going at her throat and then thinking to myself, you must not touch her or you will go to jail in Amsterdam. That's what stopped me. I swear to you. I pull myself back. The wine glass is there. I have so much

energy. I just pick it up and smash it. And that's what happened. Never have I done anything like that in my life. When you see how viral this goes, because I mean, like everyone is like using the scene and their Instagrams. It's on stories. It's a meme. It's everywhere. Are you like, like not I've struck gold, but like this is a soap opera, but it's a different way. It kind of took years for that to happen. It didn't happen right away. So say five years later, six years later, it starts to take that on. But I knew once it was over that it was a devastating event. Like if you'd been there with us, everyone was in tears. Kyle Richards had run out of the, you know, down the street. We were devastated. And then the producer was

were like, okay, next morning, get up, time to go. We're working. You're going to get in the fucking car. We're devastated. And they're like, we've got a fucking hit. Weird. Yeah. What's harder to do, housewives or your crazy schedule at QVC?

Because that's another crazy schedule. Housewives is the hardest thing I will ever do. So that must feel liberating that you're like, do you check the box? I feel liberated that I did it for eight years and I gave it my all. I feel super liberated about that. You gave it your all. I don't think. was any more I could have done.

No. And I think you have to know when to leave the party. Very hard to leave that party. It's very hard to leave that party. But I told you this off air. The way that you've done it is, in my opinion, the best anyone's ever done it. Thank you. You left it with, you almost like kind of went quiet for a beat. What does Sung Suu say?

What does Sung Suu say, Art of Moore? He says like retreat for a minute. You retreated. And then you just came back with the bang. And it was like, boom, boom, boom, boom. the way you did that was was really smart. It was like the best time to leave is when they still want more. Yeah.

You know what to leave? We wanted more. We wanted more. You know, like some of the hardest things to do. You know, I was saying this the other day. I almost did it at the reunion. I almost left while I was sitting at the reunion. I almost announced it while I was sitting there.

And I stopped myself. You came home that night from the reunion and told me. So I'm done. I'm finished. And I sent the email at like 12 o'clock at night. But I almost. did it sitting there. And I wish I had because no one's ever done that. I wish I had had the balls. I was too chicken at the time to say, you know what, guys, this has been a great run, but I'm

going to be done now. This is going to be it. I wish I'd done that. If I were to do it again, I would do it that way. That's dramatic, but I still like the way, I like the evolution and the way that you've left. When she decided to leave, were you, were you ready, Harry, for it to be done. Totally, 100%. I mean, I imagine they have to live through it. All of them have to live through it. I've said on this multiple times when we interview people that have done these things like I'll it's very I say like it's very rare this works out for the men luckily like you guys are still together and saw well luckily it didn't sign that release but I mean you know doing what we do over the years you get looped into different conversations and I'm like this is for families for marriages like at some

point I know it could be great for the business but at what cost you did do it right well look at look at the show now I mean it's sad I think you two are the fortunate ones because also I mean Lisa and I have done a lot of work on a relationship and we've also had the benefit of all the books that the kids are reading and all the stuff you know we we're not coming into the whole situation and my dad i mean life like as idiots you are also really there for me like he was like a second therapist and really helped me you have to have people you sort of discount the fact that i do have a degree in psychology from yale oh my god there's the onion wow oh i'm sorry you're a chef you're a bit Business owner you have a degree from Yale?

Well, I mean, that psychology degree did come in handy when you're dealing with all the personality disorders that you're dealing with on a daily basis. We have the DSM-5 upstairs and we've gone through it many times. But don't you find it strange? Like, I always found it so strange when I see, and I'm not, again, I'm not saying this to throw shade or diminish, but when I see these men in fights with the women on behalf of their wives. I mean, you want to defend your wife obviously. But it's, I can't imagine I should do a housewives masterclass as a viewer for the husbands.

Here's what you do and here's what you don't do as a viewer. They can't help themselves. I can't imagine being in a fight with you and a bunch of women. Harry never did. No. See, that's why it worked. That's why it worked out

because he never wanted to be there to begin with. So think about it. He never showed up at a party. Uh-uh. Ever. He never got into it with anybody. I mean, when P.K. first came on,

he was like another housewife. And we were like, P-K, for fuck's sake, get a diamond. I mean, go away. And I say this again, it's like maybe Harry, because of the platform that you had and the notoriety that you, like, maybe you didn't need some of the things that some of these guys thought they needed. Like, you already kind of had it.

You know what I mean? Like you're Harry Hamlin. You have to talk about, you were on Madman. Yeah, that's pretty cool. That's right. That's pretty cool. You forgot that? No.

I did not forget that? No, I mean, that's pretty cool. It's so cool. When you got Mad Men, that was amazing. And you got nominated for an Emmy. That's wild. And they had to sneak me in, by the way. The casting directors, they put another name on the docket because Matt Weiner wouldn't see anybody who had a profile.

But the casting directors thought I would be perfect for that season. And so they put another name on the docket. When I walked through the door, he did not know I was coming in to meet him. And did you get, do you get hired right on the spot? No, I didn't get the part. I first went in to meet him for a part of like a one day. It was a one-day part. And I said to Lisa, it's only one day.

And I was like, go in. I go go in anyway. Go audition. It's madman. I was watching it. You guys were fans of the show. I was. He didn't watch it.

I didn't really watch it at that point. I was a huge fan. I had seen season one. But then there was like 18 month gap because of some contract dispute that they had. So I kind of lost interest in it. But then when I went in and I met Matt Weiner and read with him and then I got the call from my age and said, you didn't get the part. I got, oh, well, what the fuck, okay?

So I met Matt one. I find. And then about a month later, Matt called me up. And he said, you know what? We didn't give you that part because we wanted something bigger for you. And we're going to give you this part of Jim Cutler. And that ended up being a two, almost three-season arc, I guess. That was great.

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And to give her that gift. What a gift. The end of her life. I will, to this day, always cherish those moments. And the girls loved her. And everyone was so sweet to her. And the fans loved her. And it was just a special, special moment and time.

Yeah. That relationship was a standout on the show. Thank you. So now you guys are doing your own show. For you at Dear Media. We're so excited. Tell us about the whole idea, how it happened, what we can expect, everything. There's not a lot to tell.

No, there isn't. No, listen, here's how it all began. When I was doing Housewives, I stopped doing podcasts because I got myself in so much trouble. Well, you're honest, which is great. And I only did a couple of them. And then I said to my publicist, I will never, I'm not doing podcasts anymore. We're done. So I didn't do any.

everyone then started to get podcasts, all the housewives, everybody I know on the planet, call me up, will you do my podcast, text me, will you do my podcast? Nope, I don't do podcasts. Nope, I don't do podcasts. Nope, I did this for years. We were trying to get you for years, Lisa. Right, I know. In 2017.

And I have literally said no every time. But I've said no to everybody except Teddy Mellon Camp. While we were on the show, she literally begged me. And I was like, Teddy, I'll do it for you. I'm going to do it for you. I went on with Erica and Kyle. We did it as a group. And it was fine.

And it was fun and we had a good time. So I can now get Teddy to come on my show. But I don't think anyone else will because I said to know to everybody on the planet. No, no. You guys can do swaps. Like you can say, hey, I can go on your show and you can come on my. So it'll be even. But Lisa, I mean this like honestly, for both of you, if guests come on your show, great, but you don't need them.

We don't do any guests. I know. You can just do your thing. I know. And honestly, it's not. And you both know this. It's not easy being on a mic and you guys are damn good at it together. It's a complimentary.

Take How's Wives out of this. When this got put on my radar that you wanted to do this and thank you for doing with us, I was so excited not because of all the other stuff we've talked about, but because I used to listen to you when you would go on Stern. I can't even believe that. All the time. I can't even believe that. And then you mix in Harry with it.

But I remember listening and you know how great those shows were received. And I was super honest on that show. He never heard any of those shows. Everybody said, hey, whatever you do, Harry, do not listen to how I'm certain. asked you about sex. Oh, yeah. It's Stern. Everything. Everything. Like, you name it. Apparently it was everything. But listen, he asks everybody about those things. And I remember it sticking in my mind that, like, the fact that I remember those shows. And I didn't really, you know, like, I was obviously not your target demo at the time. And I was in my, must have been in my early 20s. Well, and I had done dancing

with stars. That's how it started. They started having me on because of that. But I would hear it and I'm like, man, that person kills it on a mic. You know what you should do? You should go back on Stern. Like, you're launching your podcast. You should go back. I would love. to. Hey, did you hear him talking about you recently? No. Did he? He was saying he was talking about the housewives. So I still listen to him once in a while.

And he was saying, I don't know what's going on there, but they need to get some, they need to get Lisa back on here. You're kidding. That's cool. He had a moment where he was a little bit anti me on housewives. I remember hearing that he wasn't speaking so nicely about me. And I thought, oh, that's too bad, but that's what Howard does. I think he wants you back now because I think he's seeing what's going on and again. Okay.

Well, that's good. Maybe I can go on again. I haven't been on in like 15 years. That would be amazing. Howard, let's do it. I'll come on a job. Put it in the universe. I have to ask you this.

What are your health tips? Sorry, Michael. I need to know like what you eat in a day. Your body is absolutely banging. You have a beautiful body after two children. Give us some tips. You know what? It's the husband.

It's the husband. It's the husband. It's the sauce. Harry, after this, I'm going to ask you about your body. Okay. No, I want to know like, do you have cream in your coffee? What are you eating in the morning? What are you fasting?

What's the tip? Okay, here, I'm going to give you a real easy thing. I was born genetically very fucking lucky. I was. I'm not going to, like, I don't, I don't do anything special. Do I? Slim gyms. Slim gyms?

Like the, fucking love a slim gym. The gas station. You know the slim gyms? Love a slim gym. I will eat anything I want. I will. I don't, not on any weird diet. I eat when I want to eat.

She eats stuff that I would not go near. I love cake. I love pizza. I love pasta. So you're just naturally thin. The answer every woman wants to hear. Are you working out every day? I do work out like a fiend.

I do. What are you doing for a workout? But not even that much anymore. Okay, listen, I'm consistent. That's what I do. Okay. I am consistent. I don't go one way over here too far.

I don't go one way over here too far. Wouldn't you say that's what I do? I'm just consistent. Like every day? Consistent? Every other day? She's pretty much every day doing one thing or another. Yoga, weightlifting what?

Yoga is my first. favorite of all of them. Yoga number one, but I'll do anything. I'll do a spin class. I'll hike. I work out probably five days a week doing something. So you move your body. I move my body. And are you doing any intermittent fasting? Yes. So what do you do that? I just don't eat until what he really does that. He's a big intermittent faster. Until 10 until one. Well, I do it whenever like today I was hungry. So I had a bar. So you listen to your body? I listen to my body. Other days I can go till one. But I do what works for me. What works for me isn't necessarily going to work for somebody else. Do you know what I mean? That's the key to it. Consistency. I try everything.

I've tried everything. You say that in your book. Every diet, everything. And I don't know, less is more. Yeah. It's the thing. It sounds like you just like kind of do portion control and just kind of eat what you feel. It's the husband. Okay, it's the husband. Tell us about the sauce. The sauce is all the rage right now. Yeah. us about the sauce. The sauce is everywhere, hearing. Tell us about the sauce, though. Like, everyone wants to buy the sauce. Tell us what's in the sauce, why we should buy the sauce. There are seven ingredients in the sauce. And it's fresh. The thing, we started the open food company, my niece and I, she does the cooking show with me. And she's a certified cordon blue train chef. And she's also

been in the food business for more than 25 years. Anyway, so we decided to start this company where everything that we put out is going to be absolutely pure. So there'll be no, quote, unquote, natural flavors. There will be no preservatives. It'll be only the kitchen found ingredients in everything that we put out, whether it's going to be sauces or other foods. So it's going to be a whole new way for people to know that when they're buying something from the open food company, they're getting absolutely pure ingredients. That's amazing. Smart, right? Really cool. Especially in this moment in time. And so, and the thing about the open food company and why it's called the open food company is because it's 100% transparent. So we're going to be telling everybody how we make everything.

So I can tell you how to make my sauce right now. You can make it at home. You know, you just need a little bit of olive oils, some garlic, some rosemary, some tomato sauce and tomato paste, and some red wine and some honey. That's it. That sounds delicious. It's delicious. It is. I can't wait to review the sauce.

It's delicious. Yeah. It's good. I like to add a little honey to it. I like it a little sweeter. Okay? That's what I do. You put it on your pasta or you eat it just plain or you eat it with meat?

All of the other. Everything. You can put it on anything. Yeah. Yeah, he's making it with other things now. You're like putting it in the slow cooker with these. Talk about that. Yeah, because some of the recipes that the fans have come up with.

Yeah, so cool. These slow cook recipes, they, well, they've made beef bourguignon with it. They've made chicken cacciatore. They've made all these different dishes. Just using my sauce instead of red wine and they pour it in. Like this one person said, you know, just take a few chunks of meat, throw in your sauce, put in some carrots and put it in the slow cooker for 12 hours, and it's amazing.

And it was amazing. I've been the guinea pig. I've tasted it all. It's all really good. The fans are so obsessed with you guys still. What is both of your relationships with social media like? Are you guys in your comments? Are you guys like not?

Do you delete your Instagram? I have never looked at a comment in my life. Zero. I wouldn't know how to go on Facebook. I wouldn't know how to go on Instagram. I have no clue how to even go on it. Well, TikTok's going to be deleted in a week, apparently. On Sunday.

Yeah. He has no idea. He's the happiest person. on the planet because he has no social media. We have someone that does it for him if he has to promote, but he's oblivious to it all. Yeah, 100%.

I'll do that with TikTok. I don't want to consume it. Good for you. I don't look at it. Good for you. It's just, I just don't. It makes you happy. We'll go speak at like schools sometimes,

which is hilarious because half of these schools would never let us in. But I always tell people, especially the students, and like you have to decide if you're using it as a tool or if you're a consumer. If you're just a consumer, then you have to revisit your relationship with it. Well, that's smart.

Aren't most people? Okay. Wow. Your husband is all smart over here. But I think especially for young people because so many of these, they get so caught up in it, and they don't, like the way that Lauren and I primarily use it

and have used it is fully transparent is this tool. It's a tool to build businesses and connect. That's how I use it. And of course there's other benefits to connect with people and we DM and we talk, but it's primarily a tool. if you're just using it and you don't have an application outside of your scrolling and it's taking your time, it's a problem. But it does fuck you up.

You know, it does, the negativity fucks you up and it can't not. Of course. It's inhuman. It's fucked up by it. It's inhuman. It still affects me. I don't like it. It's mean.

It gives people permission to be mean. And I don't like that part. You also get a lot of love, though. I do get a lot of love. But that last year on the show, girl, that was some hate like I've never seen in my entire life. It was rough. But what they didn't understand in all. say it and you maybe don't agree with me is there's a character element to it you are doing your

job i don't understand i know they really they don't understand that and and and and you know do they want boring or do they well now they understand it now i'm begged i mean they're begging me to come back they're pleading with me but you know too late fuckers she's walking at fashion shows michael she's like i mean well that's i'm having fun i'm having fun um before you go this had been so by the way, thank you for having it. Thank you for doing. Did we talk for your podcast, Cherry, for coming on a show? Yeah.

Together, first time? Yeah. Yeah, that's the first time we did together. You just did it. You just popped our podcast together, Cherry. I love it. Before you go, cast the perfect housewife cast. Me?

Yeah. Pull the players if you had to pull it. You're producing it. You're the Andy Cohen. Jesus. From the existing franchise? Yeah. You could do just Beverly Hills or you can pull.

You got to come with eight people, quick. Okay, wait. All right. And it doesn't have to be people that you like. It's just people who you know are going to perform the job. Okay, I can do a really good show right now. I know. See?

We got Nini Leaks. We got that B-girl that I won't even say the name. Countess Luan, Ramona, Sonia. A lot of New Yorkers. Myself. Or an O.C. What's your name? Vicky.

From the O.C. One more. I need one more. Teddy. Let me think. Lisa Vanderpump. You were going to end with that. I knew it.

All right. So this is the All-Stars. So what you've just done is create a new show for Andy Cohen, right? All-Stars. You should, you did. You're welcome, Andy Cohen. I did. You're welcome, Andy Cohen.

I know, but each of those are going to be an expensive price ticket, but they will bring it. That's the new show, in my opinion. But listen, I even could put my ego aside. to give you that show. You could do that. You would do that show? I'm not sure, but I think that's the show. If I'm not wrong.

Right? That is the show and the reason that you could put your ego aside to do it is because you know that all those people would bring it. I know. Those are the OGs. That's the true professional. That's a intense season. Where can everyone find your show, your Instagram, pimp yourselves out, your sauce.

Not Harry's Instagram, though, but. My Instagram. We're on Dear Media. Yeah. Your media, yes. Our show is called Let's Not Talk About the Husband with Lisa Renna and Harry Hamlin. I didn't know that. Let's Not Talk About the Husband is the title of our podcast.

Let's not talk about the husband. Is that not fucking genius? That's great. I know you guys were working on it for a minute. It took a minute. Let's not talk about the husband. That's an amazing title. That's a good one. Thank you.

And it can be found everywhere. Everybody. Everywhere. And you are technically our bosses. No. No. I don't think so. Well, you're your own bosses.

That is so funny. It's on lips. Isn't it so good? Stop, you guys. This is going to crush it. Oh, I'm so excited for you guys. This is going to be so fun. Michael and I've done this for nine years.

We've had the best time doing this together. Really? It's challenging. It's so good. Okay. All right. Is it challenging because you're driving home, you've got to get out of the car on PCH. Is that what challenge?

Yeah. Is it challenging? It's challenging because he's challenging because he's challenging because he's, you're, you're He wants to talk and ruminate about it all the time, and I need my own space sometimes. When we're done, we separate for a good couple of hours. You go to really quickly before you go talk about that. What do you mean? You know, this is what we do.

We've done it for the last three days. So we've shot or done our thing for three days. We drive here together. We get home. When we get home, I probably don't see him for a good two hours. We go separate ways. You can be able to do that learned? We do.

We've gone separate ways. We're still in the house. chance. Just by chance. That hasn't been. I think it's helpful. But here's my question. When you're in the car driving away from the show, are you talking about it? We did one day.

And what happened? Well, it was the day two. It got a little bit personal. And we decided he didn't want to get too personal. And it got a little like jabby. That's okay. That's okay. That's okay.

That's part. The audience has to realize that it's the first time where you're like sitting and talking your significant, maybe not for you guys, but for us. We don't talk ever. We don't really talk ever. I mean, once and a lot. We too, but the kids are going. We used to talk about the kids.

It got a little jabby and I didn't like that. I was like, I'm sure we want to do that. But you'll find your cadence. Yes. You know what I mean? You know, people say, like, talk about couples therapists, but we've done this for so long in a public forum with somebody. I feel like we've gotten like 900 hours of couples therapy.

Good. Well, then that's going to be very helpful. It's fun. I get a shit all the time. What do they say about me? They say you're abusive. I'm abusive. They mostly just like say that you need to calm down and treat your husband.

But also like I've known my husband since I was 12. No. 12. Really? So you're middle school sweethearts. We broke up. We broke up. We dated other people.

Oh, good. We had other moments. She was my first blow job. That's true. That's the first blow job. Wow. I didn't use the coin. For you?

For you. Thanks for the resource. But so of course I'm going, he's my best friend that I've known since I was 12. you're going to have a joby, there's jabs that you know how far to go. Do you know what I mean? Right. I think so. We're finding that out.

We figured it out. I need somebody to keep on my toes too. I haven't done well when it becomes the Michael show. Yeah, you want someone who's going to get out of the car and take a walk when they're at. It can become the Michael show quickly if I'm being honest and self-aware. Yeah. Well, if I'm not, if I don't have somebody to like, hey, buddy, come, you know. Yeah, yeah.

All right. Well, it's going to be an interesting ride. And if we need some help, I'll call you. Anytime I have so many tips. If you guys ever need tips, I don't think you do. I think you're going to be just fine. Let's not talk about the husband, Lisa and Harry. Go buy his sauce.

Thank you for coming on. Thank you for having us. Awesome.