The Bossticks - Manny MUA Gutierrez & Laura Lee On How Being Different Is A Superpower, How To Harness Your Uniqueness, Cancel Culture, & Career Longevity In The Digital Age,

Episode Date: August 18, 2022

#488: On today's episode we are joined by Manny MUA Gutierrez and Laura Lee. Manny known professionally as Manny MUA, is a make-up artist, YouTuber, entrepreneur, and beauty blogger. He is the first male brand ambassador for the make-up brand Maybelline. Laura Ann Lee is an American make-up artist, YouTuber, entrepreneur, and blogger. She began her career as a make-up blogger in 2013 and is the founder and owner of cosmetics brand Laura Lee Los Angeles and the fashion brand Nudie Patootie. To connect with Manny Gutierrez click HERE  To connect with Laura Lee click HERE  To connect with Lauryn Evarts click HERE To connect with Michael Bosstick click HERE Read More on The Skinny Confidential HERE For Detailed Show Notes visit TSCPODCAST.COM  To Call the Him & Her Hotline call: 1-833-SKINNYS (754-6697) This episode is brought to you by The Skinny Confidential  The Hot Shave Razor and is here to help you exfoliate, brighten and smooth your skin and It's paired alongside the Hot Shave Cream, the first ever shave cream created for women, packed with anti-oxidants that preps your skin while hydrating and nourishing at the same time. Use code PINKICEQUEEN for 15% off. To check them out visit www.shopskinnyconfidential.com now.  This episode is brought to you by CLEARSTEM    CLEARSTEM has made a clean, clinical skincare line that is equally effective against acne AND aging. Go to https://clearstemskincare.com/ and use code SKINNY2 at for 20% off your first purchase.   This episode is brought to you by ZOCDOC    With Zocdoc, you can see real, verified patient reviews to help find the right doctor in your network and in yourneighborhood. Zocdoc is a FREE app that showsyou doctors who are patient-reviewed, take your insuranceand are available when you need them. Go to Zocdoc. com/SKINNY and download the Zocdoc app for FREE.   This episode is brought to you by INSIDE TRACKER    When it comes to your health and longevity, you hold nothing back. You understand what it means to push harder, reach farther, and fo the extra mile. That's why InsideTracker provides you with a personalized plan to build strength, speed recovery, and optimize your health for the long haul. For a limited time, get 20% off your first purchase at insidetracker.com/SKINNY .   This episode is brought to you by RECREATION SWEAT.    Recreation Sweat is a fitness company born out of necessity in the pandemic. They're all about quick and effective workouts that you can do anywhere without heavy equipment. Get 20% off your first purchase with code SKINNY at checkout. Produced by Dear Media 

The following podcast is a dear media production. She's a lifestyle blogger extraordinaire. Fantastic. And he's a serial entrepreneur. A very smart cookie. And now Lauren Everts and Michael Bostic are bringing you along for the ride. Get ready for some major realness. Welcome to the skinny confidential, him and her.

Aha. I actually have like a deep-rooted relationship with money. We never had any growing up. I knew money was the thing that could get me out of the life I was. living. That's kind of where it went for me. I was like, I want to be really successful so that we can kind of all be successful together, like me and my family. Even during the whole cancellation thing when that happened, I was like, oh my God, I'm going to lose all my money. And so I remember having this like real conversation with my parents. I was like on the table and I was crying and I was like

how this happened to me? I can't believe I'm like, what I'm going to go going to get canceled? Like, what am I going to do? Like, you guys are going to have to go back to work. Well, hello, happy Thursday. Today we have a very fun, feisty episode. We have Manny Makeup and Laura Lee in the studio. You probably know them from YouTube. They are very, very popular. They have millions of followers. They're the OG social media influencers, beauty gurus, and absolute besties. They also have a podcast together called Full Coverage. They both are founders, too. They have makeup lines. Manis is Mani Lunar Beauty, and then Laura Lee has Laura Lee Cosmetics. So they're bosses and entrepreneurs. They both run wildly successful businesses.

They understand to the internet. Let me tell you. And they've both been canceled. So we go over all that. And if you haven't listened, Laura Lee was on the Skinny Confidential a while ago. It's a great episode. It's number 224.

And she talks about cancel culture adoption addiction in that episode. This one is like a plot twist in another layer because Manny is on it with us. So we do like a foursome. I think you're going to love this episode. it's a good one. Maybe don't listen if you have kids in the car. I think you're going to love this episode. It's super vulnerable and they both just open up, which is super cool. So on that note, let's welcome Manny Makeup and Laura Lee to the skinny confidential, him and her podcast. This is the skinny confidential, him and her. First of all, I would love to get some context of Manny. We've had you on the show already. Hello. Yes, hello. Hello again. Um, where are you from?

So I'm from San Diego. Born and raised San Diego. So are we? No way. What area? I'm from Tula Vista, like the most south-south San Diego possible. Okay, okay. Five minutes from the border of Mexico.

We're from like Delmar area. Oh, I know exactly where that is. Like, Delmar Fair every year. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yep. So I'm from San Diego, uh, born into a family of, there's five of us. My parents, two little brothers. I'm the oldest of three.

grew up Mormon. Things were hairy. Things are hairy for a long time. I'm out here in LA now. I've been out here for, I would say, oh my gosh, like six years. You grew up Mormon. What was that like with five kids? Well, there's three of us kids, but there's two parents.

There's three of us. There's five of us total. Yeah, I grew up Mormon. It was interesting. You know, I feel like it's very interesting for me. It was very, like, difficult kind of growing up in a Mormon household when, obviously, being gay and expressing myself in that way wasn't really something I did growing up at all. was very like the kid that would suppress everything constantly and just kind of like push it down

push down push down pray the gay away like I would literally be like at night be like okay I just want to wake up and not like boys like please let me wake up and like not like boys now just cry all the time yeah that's kind of how it was in the beginning wait so so when you were a little you you did not want to be gay you felt like it was a curse absolutely for to me I was like I don't want this like I feel like it's like because the thing is at the time this is also like what 15 years ago I feel like there's a lot of no my gosh it's like 20 years ago there's like a lot like gay hate crimes going on. Like obviously like there's so much like it's a negative

stigma to being gay and like all you would see. Yes and I feel like you would see on social media or on non-social media on TV you'd be like the only stories they were telling you're like oh you got HIV and AIDS and it's like why do they have so much negative connotations with being gay? Did your parents have any idea or no? I think they definitely

had an inkling. Yeah I was the kind of kid that had a flower in my hair and be like this is so fine I want I want little mermaid instead of like the cars but of course it was like that was always suppressed for me that was like, no, you have to like play sports and you need to play soccer and baseball and football and all that stuff. Do you think that you would have felt differently if your parents were more open-minded raising you? Well, the thing is my parents were always like the most loving insanely great.

I'm Latino, so I had such a loving family for my whole life. They just weren't as aware because they never even had gay friends growing up. So they literally thought being gay was a choice. They had like no idea what was going on. Like they just like I think it just kind of takes that like back and forth knowledge and just kind of knowing what was actually going on and I was like no I'm not like choosing to be gay like I'm like I was born this way and I think that they kind of knew that deep down because it's like when I'm younger and I'm expressing myself in these very hyper feminine ways they're like huh. Yeah. How is it how would it be me choosing this as an adult when I was expressing these really very homosexual things really early on? So at what point? did you start to feel comfortable with the fact you were gay? Do you remember how old you were? My early 20s.

Wow. So all through high school? Oh, yeah. You didn't have friends that were open-minded. I didn't tell anyone. I was literally so in the closet. It was like not even, it was insane. Like I did not at all.

I was like, because I didn't even know. Like, I didn't even think I even knew or expressed myself or did anything gay until I was like 19. So what at 19 made you have the epiphany that you're like, I'm just going to be myself? and be true to myself. Well, I kissed a boy for the first time.

And you were like, I'm done. And I literally felt like sparks. I felt fireworks. It was like the most insane feeling ever. I had this crush on this guy. I mean, I guess I had a question on him. We had just been chatting a bunch and I was like in the backseat of a car once and like a friend was driving and he was in the back seat and she went to go put gas.

And he put his hand on my leg. And I was like, what's going on? And I was like so shook because I've never done anything gay, never expressed myself in a gay way before. I was always like, oh, no, I'm straight. Like, people would ask me and I'm like, no, I'm straight. So what does it feel like when you You must have felt liberated Had you dated women before this?

I had one girlfriend in high school Just one But I had like kissed girls Made out with girls also I never like had sex with a girl But I had done like other things With girls before When you kissed a girl

Were you turned on and were you like I was like this is so fun Like but it wasn't like something I was like yeah It's just so hot Like it was just like Oh like that's that's nice Like chest soft lips

Yeah And that's it You're like what chapstick are you wearing Is that strawberry? you're cherry. I'm like, that's how watermelon to me. You're like,

that's a little watermelon-y. What are you using? You should launch a product that's like based off that. That's good. Honestly. No, seriously. Mani's first kiss. Yeah.

Hello. Oh my God. That's a really cute. So first kiss. So once you kissed the guy, was it like you were, you felt free, you felt liberated or was it still, you still felt suppressed? Oh, suppressed fully, 100%. Like I didn't, like I was saying, I didn't come out.

my parents asked me if I was gay when I was like 17, 18. And I was like, I think so. I'm not sure. So I ended up actually going to like this anti-gay counseling for like six months. Oh, Jesus. Trauma. Like by your choice or because they were. So it was kind of my choice and their choice.

So I was, so I'm the firstborn. Right. So I'm like this people pleaser really good. So I'm like this people pleaser kid. Right. I have like two little brothers. I want to be like the best example possible. had straight days, played sports.

Like, I was good at everything. But I think it's because I was so good at everything to compensate for the fact that I was gay. And I knew that if they found out I was gay, it's going to be like a mess. I'm like, okay, I'm going to be good at everything else. So they can't, they can still love me, you know, in my mind. And so when they found out, they're like, well, what do we do? And I was like, I don't know. Like, I don't want to be gay anymore.

And so they're like, okay, well, like we can like look into like maybe like therapy or something. And I was like, yeah, it sounds like a good idea. It's so wild to me that these places exist. Like that somebody has a business that does this thing, right? It's why? By the way, the person that owns the business is probably gay. Probably. Honestly.

Suppressing the whole time. I bet you teachers that you had there are probably gay. No, but it's strange to me that this business exists and that people actually think it works. Totally. And it was like, your homosexuality is tied to your anxiety. And I was like, yeah, it's like, the more you feel anxious, the more like homosexual thoughts come into your mind. And I was like, what the fuck are you even talking about? And so once I had gone for six months

I went to like this kind of like deep depression and my parents were like what's wrong? And I was like well like I feel like the counseling is literally not working I feel like it's I just feel bad about myself all the time. Yeah like don't take this the wrong way. It's not like I'm feeling little anxious I need to go blow someone. No literally and I was like I just feel like shit and they're like oh then like stop going

because they were like they wanted me to be happy and they loved me and they're like okay then like stop going we want you to like be happy and like you. So I'm so lucky to have like my parents that were like well we just we kind of went through it together. We both were like had no idea what was going on. They were just trying to help. They were just, you know, they really, really were because they're like those kind of people. And so like, okay, well, like, let's just

let's have you not go. We want you to be like our son again. Like, we miss the real you. I would love to hear a story where the anti-gay workshop worked for someone in the long run. Absolutely. I would love to hear it as well. I'm going to say that it's 100% doesn't work. It's weird though, because a lot of people will write books and they are like, oh, I was, I was gay and now I'm straight and have a family with kids. Yeah, but I believe that story. And I'm like, what's happening? But, but what are they having a wet dream about?

Totally. Or the thing is to, maybe they're not even gay and maybe they're a poly or maybe they were by and maybe they were like in some other capacity and they don't even realize that that's what they were. And they also were attracted to women. Huh. It's like, okay. It's like everybody's story is different.

Totally. And I was like maybe this. You can't just throw everybody in this one therapy to turn them not gay. Exactly. Or convince them they're not gay. So after your parents seemed like they opened up a safe space, then were you more confident to be yourself? Yeah, but it was still like a don't ask, don't tell kind of situation where I like didn't really talk about myself, didn't talk about what was going on. I was feeling more open because I figured I'm like, okay, well, you guys are more accepting and a little more like kind of aware of my situation.

But I still wouldn't talk about anything. Like I worked at Sephora inside JCPenney. So I said I worked at JCPenney and not Sephora. So I was like, oh yeah, I just worked in shoes. and I would jump out my window full glam so my parents wouldn't see me and I would work at JCPenny and Sephora You jumped out your window full glam

Yep Like literally living Hannah Montana life 100%. So then I would go work And I would come back home And I had makeup wipes in my car And I would wipe up all my makeup Before I went into

Like walked through the door I was like yeah I just worked in shoes today It was really good I sold a couple pairs I don't love a makeup wipe I feel like it pulls down the face Oh it's a horror I mean this is literally

I'm like yeah I know It's just so great You should have come down Dalmar and just been friends with me. I know. It would be nice if I had other gay friends as well, but I didn't. Like, I didn't have gay influencers in my life. I didn't have gay friends.

I didn't know anyone gay at all. I had no idea. Well, now, isn't that cool that you can be a role model to people that feel the way that you felt? Yeah. That is probably like freedom. It really is. I feel like I wish I had social media back then.

Yeah. You know what I mean? I feel like I didn't have those figures in my life to see, like someone actually doing well with being gay. It was always like some trauma or crazy story or something like it's almost like you're scared to be gay back in the day because that's all they would ever show as like these gay

stories. And now it's like there's so many different gay stories and it's so cool. And like it's like oh my god it's actually okay to like be gay. It is one of the bright spots of social right? Like people like yourself can be an example to other people that like you said in your life previously like you just didn't have those examples. Totally. There's no resources.

None. Do you both remember your first YouTube. Like video? Yeah. I do. Tell it.

It was trauma. I was kidding. I remember I had quit dropped out of college and I was still working full time of the dermatologist and I figured out I wanted to do YouTube

and I had finally got a camera that came in it was like a piece of shit. Like it was not like, it was like a camcorder that people would record their kids and it was like refurbish. And I remember all my roommates went to work and I took that day off.

and I literally because back then this was like nine years ago like you did not film yourself like that was weird behavior now it's like people are like praise for and that's all they want to do it's like super normalized but back then I felt like a sociopath but I did it I filmed I filmed the video it was like a contour highlight contour highlight video and it was terrible absolutely terrible it's still up if you want to watch it did you too meet through YouTube or how did you how did you do you too yeah we did so we met the beauty community in the in the in the beauty industry and beauty world. I think our first meeting, meeting was at a beauty event. Yeah, we went to like Lily Gleachis. Yeah, it was like a heart extension event. Yeah. And I came up to him and I, because I had

seen him floating around and I had recently moved to LA and I was like, hey, you know, I like your content, whatever and we took a picture together. I still have the picture. It's insane. Like seeing that old photo from us like in the back. I still wore glasses before I got my teeth done. His teeth were, before I got my hair line done. My teeth were bad. No, just, it's funny to see that photo because I'm like, dude, look how far we've come like... We look so different. What's the connection? I'm not going to ask later about that hairline.

Yeah, go on. What's the... So, I mean, I know these events. What, and there's a lot of people. What's the connection that makes you two bond right away? I feel like we didn't bond actually immediately. We didn't. I feel like it was more so like a high and buy.

It was a high and buy. It was a high and buy. And I... He was very nice because at that time, like, sometimes you'd meet people and there would be like a little more standoffish or just too cool, you know? So I'd run into a bit of that in L.A. But I remember I was like, He was really sweet.

Like, he was a sweet person to walk up to and actually meet. So I liked that about him. And then I hung out with one of his mutual friends, and Patrick, and they were closer. Yeah. And more friends. And so I started hanging out with Patrick a little bit.

And then I kind of made you more through that, didn't I? Through that, we started becoming more friends and seeing each other more often. And then we started doing stuff like just us too. And I was like, wait, you're like really fucking cool, actually. Like, our vibes just meshed really, really well. Because the thing is I felt like, and I think, think it's also part of my upbringing. I felt like such an outcast in the beauty community,

especially in the beginning because boys in beauty like wasn't a thing. It was not that thing. And like you know, like it was not a thing. I would argue that you and Patrick and some others like have made it a thing. It's been like and I like I don't even like to say like, oh yeah, I paved the way. But it's like it was part of, I definitely was part of like that first run of people. Sure. That like made it happen. And me and Patrick had it was really hard for us. Like it was so hard. And like, look at we were close and we had each other. And like our manager at the time would like pitch us together to do things that like, let's say, because a lot of brands would be like, oh, no, like, that's just a fad. Like, it's going to go away.

Like, the boys have been a thing. Like, it's weird. It's not going to be a thing. Like, you guys, you don't get to do, like, stuff with the girls, essentially. And so we were just like, we just kind of wanted to feel included. And so she'd almost pitch us together as like a, oh, like, oh, look, you get two for the price of one. Oh, yeah, I was very bad.

That's how it was. I was friends with both of them back then. And I would get a lot of opportunities. They wouldn't get, I would get them buying stuff because they didn't want the boys around. Yeah. Because the brands, like corporate brands, would get a lot of hate for having gay men wearing makeup on their pages. So they would just tuck that away because at the time, it didn't work for them. But now it works for them.

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I actually think it is the hardest. I think it's the hardest by far. I agree. Because you're doing audio, you're doing lights, you're doing video, you're doing video, you're showing something. It's a lot of multitasking. And men have trouble multitasking. And it's the biggest platform, right? So it has so much competition.

And it's longer. Why do you think she was successful and why do you think he was successful? I think Laura was, I'm going first. I was to say, I'll let you start. I think Laura was successful because she's like the hardest working person I know. And she was always authentically herself online. And she's always been like really goofy and fun. And I think that at a time when we had started, everyone was so obsessed with this like prim and proper, perfect beauty guru.

And like obviously I wasn't that. Obviously Laura wasn't that. We both were in this kind of like different realm. We almost felt like outcast in like a weird way. Oh, yeah. And so Laura was always like her quirky, fun, goofy self. And I think people related to that. And also like Laura wasn't the type person that would give up on something.

She'd constantly put the work and she constantly put the effort in. And that's why I think she blew up. I'm going to go cry. I'll be right back. Anyways, thank you for all that. I not to pat myself on the back, but like I do feel like those are the reasons that I was able to make it on YouTube. You, however, you my dear, dear friend, I'm just kidding. One, I think you pioneered a boy in beauty.

Sure, there were some on YouTube, not a lot. And I think you were one of the biggest, the fastest, and the one people connected to the most, especially during the time when this was something new that we didn't really understand. And I think you took a lot of the brunt of the negativity that came from being a boy in beauty. So not only did you go through it with your Mormon family,

I think then you went through it on YouTube because I was there. And I remember having conversations of you and brands have done really negative things because you're a gay man. I don't see that barely any anymore to be honest. Well, it's a certain type of courage, right? And I respect, I mean, it's now,

I think we've all kind of been around floating in this ecosystem for what, 10, 12, 13 years. And I do think it's rarer right now, at least, especially in this moment of time, for people that actually stand up authentically as themselves regardless of what the outside world is saying. You know, it's not to say people aren't vocal and attaching themselves to cause it but it's rarer, I think, to find people that are like, I'm just doing my thing.

Yeah. Without regard to what a brand says, what an audience, like, you know what I mean? It's a specific type of courage because, and I think those are the types of people we resonate the most with because it stands out. You're like, oh, like that's like a beacon of something that is so authentically themselves. It's inspiring in a way. Laura came on her podcast and discussed her journey with cancel culture in the first episode. Has there been anything that you've been quote unquote canceled for?

And I would love to know after, because it's been time since we interviewed you after you see all these people get canceled. Yeah. How you guys feel about it. Also, I want to say one more thing about why you made it. Oh, I have to get it in there. I love it. I think Manny is one of the most powerful people in the industry. because he's dangerous. I'm telling you, if this dude

sees something he wants or something he's going to, goal he's going to reach, get the fuck out of his way. And that's all I have to say to you. It is get the fuck out of his way because he is the most go-getting person I've ever met. This dude has flown across

the fucking country, filmed one collab video, and flew all the way home. Like, no matter what, he will make it happen and it's part of the reason that inspires my hard work. Also, he has the best personality and he's the happiest person on but deep rooted. Like there's a lot of happy people online

and there's a lot of people with great personalities they're really beautiful like you but I think that's like deep rooted like it's like the universe you know your energy you keep a high frequency Okay sorry back to your question You're so sweet

Back to your question You guys are cute You're the best Like you're seriously the best Lauren say something about me quick Quick run run run run You have a big personality

Yeah I know I totally have experienced counts of culture in my past 2018 as well. I've gone through the gigs, through the ringer. You know, I feel like kind of going through all that. I have such a different view of cancel culture than like a lot of people do. Me too. I feel like I'm so anti-cancel culture. Like I really am.

So am I. Like exponentially. I don't know what you got canceled for me. Right. So it was more so like for being like a quote unquote bad friend. There was like this like it was a situation back in the past. I think it was a situation where the stars aligned perfectly where like if he wasn't Mani and UA there wouldn't have been a cancellation. Exactly.

Kind of like one of those. Yeah. And it was just like friendships gone wrong. That's what it was. Because his name was so big and so popular. It people were, because that's kind of what cancel culture is. Like, people really don't get canceled that are not as talked about.

Yeah. Like, you got to be up there for the internet to kind of take up. You can't get canceled if nobody cares in the first place. See, that's what I'm trying to get out right there. It's hard to say, but that's honestly true tea. I don't want to daddy. He'll say it.

No, literally. He said it. If people have to care enough to want to cancel you. And so I think at the time. people care enough to want to cancel me. So I gone through that, lost hundreds of thousands of followers, the whole thing. I lost hundreds of thousands of followers

for being a quote, like literally for being a bad friend. And looking back, I'm always just like, okay, girl, anyway. But it's, I think that now, you know, looking back on it, I not saying that I am grateful for it, because I'm definitely not saying that because it was such an intense experience. But I think that me now, I like me more now.

Like after kind of have gone through it, because I think that at the time, I was this like kind of horse blinders kind of person in a way. I was very competitive. I was very like, I'm going to be like the best and like no one can be in my way kind of thing. And I was so like on this trajectory. And so you know what the sad thing about that though is because I was so focused on Manny MUA, right? Being like this online persona that like manny, like who I am as a human being like kind of fell to the wayside.

And like I would miss out on these like real life opportunities because I was so focused on being so like great and so big. And I'd be like, no, I can't make it to like this, to your birthday party. I'm like my mom, like I'm about, let's say like my cousin's birthday. I was like, sorry, I can't make it. I have to film. I can't do that. And so I would kind of miss out on these real life things for my online persona. And so looking back on it, I'm like, it was wild and it was crazy.

But I feel like things happen for a reason. And I think that me now, I focus on me as Mani now. And Mani always included in my life, but it's not my whole life. And I think that's what it was for a long time. My dad always used to tell me when I was little don't read your own press clippings, good or bad. I feel like that can be applied to comments too because you can get sucked into your good comments and you can get sucked into your bad comments. And it's almost better to like detach from it and not read it because you start believing your own hype or your own demise and whatever it is. So I think that's smart that you have like two different.

I feel like that's introspective that you have two different personality. not personalities, but like world. It's like an outlook. I feel like my outlook is just different. I think that now like I treat social media like it's my work and it's my job and it's something I do for a living, but it's not my life. And I think that's like a really important thing for people that do social media. I think before it was both of our life.

It was. It was us both. In together way too deep. Yeah, we were in it really deep. We were blowing up fast and it took over our whole world and it was, I don't want to say it was all that we cared about, but it was a majority of what we cared about. Because the thing is that you get thrust into this fucking world and it's like you get It's flown out to places and like you have all this money and all this crazy things happening.

And it's like, what do you do? Like you don't know because we're like the first people like to kind of pioneer this kind of thing. I'm like, how are you supposed to act? Like I don't know. Well, here's something also interesting to me. I believe that if you didn't, if you weren't the way you were, you wouldn't get to where you are. So here's the thing. You had to do what you had to do to get there and it served you until it didn't.

And I think for me, like I said yes. to everything for seven years. It was yes, yes, yes. Same. A 12th graders book report, get on the phone, go to USC, speak. Like anything was yes, cram it in, put it on. And now my definition of success after 13 years of creating content is to have less on my calendar, which is completely different than when I started. But I do believe that because I said yes, it got me to the point that I needed to be, but you have to know when to pivot. Yeah. I don't think we, neither of us knew and I think it kind of knocked us off our rockers in the best possible way. Like we went through a lot of trauma with that that we still like deal with a little bit.

But it changed our lives and like you can even see online like how much we've changed as people and like our online personas have changed. And our followers noticed it too. Like a lot of people say like, you know, I feel like you guys kind of, you know, back then we're a little different. Like kind of like in your own world and your own like just kind of bigheaded in some way. And then now people kind of like comment like you guys like I'm so happy to see. what you guys do now and I just feel like it's more authentic, it's more you. And I agree. I do, I feel like I see this like slight more authenticity because I'm so much focused on like my life as like a person and not like my online life. Because I think that when you, when you

focus on everything else and not like your mental, like everything kind of falls to the wayside in a way, it'll collapse. You mentioned monetization. You guys, when you first start making money, how does that feel? And how have you evolved your relationship with money over time. Like, are you guys like investing now? Like, I'm sure it's changed. And when you first started. I actually have like a deep rooted relationship with money. We never had any growing up. We talked about this the first time. Do you remember? So when I got money, it was the best thing in the world and I never looked at it as a bad thing. Like I was like, this plus I need a lot more if I can make it happen because I knew money was the thing that could get me out of the life I was living. Remind me again where you grew up

because I'll remember the conversation. Alabama. That's right. Okay. Okay. Okay. I'll remember. So I always wanted to, I watched my family poorly spend their money. I watched them not have any money. I watched them have to do crazy things to get money. And so I was like, if I can do this and get some money, like I just have to keep going. I just have to keep going. So my relationship with money changed. I think it became, it became very, what do you call it whenever it makes you comfortable? Like you makes you secure. It was my security. So I'd gotten to the point where I didn't want to invest any my money because that means taking it out and putting it into something risky. But I recently read the book. book by Jensen Serio, you are a badass at making money. Fabulous book because it breaks down your relationship with money. Is it the blue one? It's the green one. Okay. She wrote the, is it the yellow one she did the first time?

Yep. Yep. And then this is the second one. It's really good because I didn't know I had a specific relationship with money and I did. And it was just way too connected. And so it helped me disconnect a little bit. And we've literally invested so much. We actually just bought a house in Florida for investment literally like this week.

So congratulations. Thank you. But tons of investments. investments and stocks. They're down today. That's okay. They'll go back up. That's true. They will. They always do. And cryptocurrency, that's down. They'll go back up. A lot of stuff like that. That was a little dice here, but we'll say. It's diced here. But it's going somewhere. I'm telling you it's going somewhere. It's going to go up and down, up and down, up and down. And then it'll smooth out one day. My thing on the crypto, not to go too far on a tangent, is that everyone's so excited about it, but we're still very early on it. It's so new. It will be very early. Yeah, it will be a technology of the future. Yeah, it will be a technology of the future. It's going to be a tech. It's going to happen. It's because their money's in and they're like, I'll say that.

Listen, the crypto bros get really wild up. If you know anything bad. For sure. I believe it will be something very substantial. Same with NFTs. But in this application today, it's still very speculative. Very speculative. And it's too connected to the stock market right now.

So whatever the stock market does, it is fragile. So it's going to be something in the future, no matter what. Throw you off on a 10-dye. Yeah, totally. But now I have a completely, I think if you don't realize you have a relationship with money or you struggle with money, I think reading that book can help you break down what's going on. on there because it did for me and I even had made the money. It was so connected to it and it helped me be like, whoa, there's something going on here. I'm going to read the book. Read the book. It's good. What about you with your relationship with money? What does it do?

Like what does it feel like when you start making all this money? Because YouTubers make, if you do it right, you guys make. Was that the driver for you in the beginning or was there something else that was the driver? I think that was a driver for me in the beginning was to be able to have money and to be able to, you know, for me, I feel like it was really important to be able to take care of my family and, you know, take care of my parents when they've worked, you know, insane amount of hours and things to provide for me and my little brothers. So for me, I was like, okay, well, I'm going to be able to get to the spot where, like, I can help them out and, like, they can work with me instead of having to have their own jobs and all this stuff. And that's kind of

where I went for me. I was like, I want to be really successful so that we can kind of all be successful together, like me and my family. So I remember, like, even during the whole cancellation thing when that happened, I was like, oh, my God, I'm going to lose all my money. I was like, all my money is going to go away. And so I mean, I remember having this like real conversation with my parents and it like really helped me. Even since then, I always think about it actually. They, when I was like, I was like on the table and I was crying and I was like, come and this happened to me.

I can't believe I'm like, quote unquote getting canceled. Like, what am I going to do? Like, you guys are going to have to go back to work. You know? And I was like freaking out because they work with me. And they literally were like, we don't mind going back. We like, my mom was like, I went to school for years to be a nurse. I loved to be a nurse.

I can go back to that. They're like, you shouldn't feel like you're carrying the weight of all of us on your on your back. And like, I did feel like that for a really long time. time because I had gotten like onto this like vibe where I was like okay I'm making a ton of money I want my parents to retire so then it almost like falls on everything on me in a weird way because I'm like okay well I'm paying for my house paying for my parents paying for this and so I started like freaking out about money where I was like well what if I don't have anymore what's going to happen and so thank God they had this conversation to me because I feel like it took a lot of this like

pressure off me feeling like I needed to take care of everyone and everything all at the same time when I'm like literally like 26 for me that's kind of how money was I was very very like intense about I wanted to make sure I had enough of it to be able to take care of everyone. And now I feel like, you know, it's good to have money. Obviously, like I'm happy about it. But I'm not like so freaked out like I was. It's got to be like kind of grounding in a way of your parents. Look at you.

Like, yeah, we were happy before you did. Actually, we were even more happy working with our jobs and not with you. We would actually like to go back. And I'm like, you're happy. They're like, this shit's stressful. We don't do this. And like they do because they work with my brand and lunar beauty. And so, and that is a lot more stress for them than it is like the jobs that they're

working because they can just go in, clock out. They're fine. And now it's like, I'll call my 11 p.m. I'm like, so did you guys place that P.L? Yeah. And they're like, fuck. Like, damn it, we're off the clock. And I'm like, you're never off the clock.

You know? And so now I just feel like this like sense of relief when it comes to money where I don't feel like I'm carrying the weight of the world away on my shoulders. Lauren, as you know, we have pretty much flawless reviews, pretty much a perfect podcast. Pretty much nobody is upset about anything we ever say. If there is ever a complaint, literally the only complaint is, hey, you guys offer so much great entertainment, so much great value, and you make the best recommendations. But hey, I'm overwhelmed because there's so many good recommendations, especially when it comes to supplements.

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I think there became a point where if you've been creating for a long time, it was time to launch your own brands. Like I'm sure you guys felt like this. Like I got to a point where it's like I can only talk about other brands. brands for so long where it starts to feel it's got to be a brand I fucking love or it's a no. Did you guys get to that point and decide to launch your product line and how is that going? I launched my makeup brand in 2016. It's Lauren in Los Angeles. And I really, I mean, hindsight's 2020, but looking back, I wish I would have been a little more patient because I felt the same

way and I was like I have like this influencing and I've worked for so many years to build a following that likes me and enjoys watching my content like I want to create something for them and build other brands yeah yeah and that trust you yeah trust your recommendations and I had built up so many brands you know and their products and like they run away with that check and I get nothing like I just am out there making content over and over specifically in beauty building up these products building up these brands and getting nothing in return like that's ludicrous So I want it to But I do wish I

Just waited like one or two more years Before I did it because I just wasn't experienced enough And I didn't know what I was doing I was just trying to make it happen And I but that's just something in your 20s you go through I feel like in my 30s I'm just like super chill with everything Like to take my time and make sure things are done right

So how is your brand evolved from when you first launched to now? It looks like a completely different brand Let's talk about your first palette palette because we both had big glow ups with our brands. Let me tell you, if you just type in Kat's pajamas on YouTube, it's just like, I literally had a mental breakdown because I thought this was the

greatest I showed a palette on earth. You know? The quality's great. The quality is, thank you. Thank you. The quality's amazing. The packaging is one level down from horrendous. It is not horrendous. Shocking. Shocking. I got to see it now. But you know what, you guys, if you're not

in, if you're, someone said this, if you're not embarrassed by your first thing, then you're not doing it right. So I did it right. I must have done something right. Let me tell you, the first podcast we did, it was like, whoa. It's still on YouTube. Oh, it's, yeah, it's terrible.

This is the cat's pajamas. I'm looking at it right now. Let's have a lusy-poo. The palette itself is literally gorge. I think it's as bad as you said. I think, like, I, okay, but. Okay, so the product, so the product itself is amazing. The color story is gorgeous.

It's more so the packaging. Like, the outside is an all glitter, silver component tree. The inside is all pink flowers. So it was a very confusing product itself. There was a lot. Yeah. So that's the front of it. Yep.

And then the inside is like pink flowers. Also, we don't even have that logo anymore. Yeah. That's okay. You evolved. Yeah. Oh my gosh. The brand looks so good now.

Okay. And then, Mani, what about you? What about product for you? When did you feel the same need? I felt, no, I felt it at the same time as Laura because I think I literally came out my product a year after her. Like, and we had already like kind of gone in with like, we knew we were coming out with brands. And I was like, you know, I felt the exact same way. I felt like I was building up

these other brands that only kind of saw me as like a check in a weird way. And I thought, you know what? I'm a reviewer for my, I review product for a living. I have like this like base knowledge of like, not only did I ever do I review products now. I worked in retail. I worked at Sephora. I worked at Mac. I had this like knowledge of makeup that I know a lot of people didn't have or like these CEOs of these huge conglomerates. I'm like, what do you do? No idea. Like what do you do? Like to articulate me for you. It's like to articulate me for You had worked in the stores that sold the stuff. You had used the stuff that the stores were selling.

You had communicated to the audience that was buying these. And then you had tried all of the different ones and knew what worked and what didn't. Yes. So I did all of those things. I'm like, so why wouldn't I have my own brand where I like, know what I like. I know what I want.

And I know that I can create something that was beautiful and something that is going to be aesthetically pleasing, not going to break the bank. And that it's going to be something that people would actually enjoy using. Because if I like it and I've tested all these different things, and I'm testing the products firsthand, you know it's going to be a good. quality.

Yeah. So that's why I did mine. So if someone were to start and you can only name one thing with one product, what would it be of each of you? Actually, let's do this. That's a good fucking question. You tell me what to start with from Manny's line. Mani tells me what to start with from your line.

Like if they were going to purchase one thing right now? Yeah. Ooh, okay, I have two, but I'm going to pick one. I already know mine for your 100%. Okay. Well, it's between your new launch. But, okay, I'm going to say your blush palette. Okay.

That's my most, that was on my highest selling skew of all time. It is. I think one of the best blush palettes in the industry. Thank you. He did just come out with a new palette, which I was going to say. But like to the core, it's that blush palette. The blush palette. Michael, do you know what blushes?

It's the powder, right? There we go. It could be liquid or cream too. For where? For the face, right? No, for where? On the face. Oh, my gosh.

That's really good. Well, what I don't see, yeah. I cannot wait until my daughter wants to do his makeup. Oh, it's going to be fantastic. I'll let her do it. Because it does. We could lift his brain. grow a little bit, you know?

Absolutely. You can do a lot. Snatch it up. Yeah. I know things, Lauren. I keep the ear to growl. He knows the vibes. Okay, okay.

I want to know before you guys go a little bit about your routine with all of all of the content that you're producing. You're both business people. You're running a company. You've got TikTok. It's a lot going on. Do you have a morning and a night routine that you swear by? Is every single day different?

Is it chaotic? How gnarly is your count? calendar. Talk to us a little bit about that. Before I continue, I want to say Laura's brand product. Oh, I'm sorry. I just want to say it. So I want to say, so Nudy 2. Sorry, I got distracted with my own slash.

No, it's fine. No, it's fine. I love it. No, I just want to say nudie, nudie putti. So it has a palette called Nudy Petuti. And Nudy 2 is the one I would say. It's like a palette and has several shades in it. All neutral, very high quality stuff. And that's what I would say for. That's like the core of your brand as well.

You guys are really cute, supportive friends. I've noticed this episode. Oh, thank you. Thank you. Sweet. Thank you. Well, I just like, I want the best for her. We'll also roast each other real good. Yeah.

If you were together too long, you'll start to hear us. You'll see it. It's in the best way possible. We come for each other so hard. Yeah, well, that's why everyone needs to listen to you guys' podcast. Yeah. So when it comes to the routine, I think my days are actually always different, to be honest. Like, I would say for me, I think that there's some days where I'm like, I'm wearing

the Lunar Beauty hat where I'm like, I got to be focused on the brand today. I can't really focus on man. I'm only on many MUA stuff as much. I got to focus on like the samples, testing. out product. I have to focus on the website, email reviews, all that those kind of things. So I'll have days like that where I'm like, boom, CEO vibes.

And then I have days where I'm like, okay, I have to like focus on mania. I have to focus on filming the pot. I have like podcast days. I have to film YouTube content, TikTok content, Instagram, all that kind of stuff. So that's different days. So it depends. But you're not jamming all the things in one day. This is a selfish question. You're a batcher.

I batch too. That's what you like you pick one thing so your brain doesn't go all I pick my battles. I pick my battles. Okay, so here's the question since I haven't dipped my tone in enough. You said TikTok. Do you batch all your TikToks in one day? No.

No, I think TikToks, for me, it's more of like a random thing. I'm so different from him. I'm a Virgo. Every Sunday night, I have a physical calendar and I pick two days a week for YouTube content, and then every day of the week I have my TikToks lined up that I'm going to film, and every single thing I'm going to do

every video I'm going to film everything I need to do is written in the calendar. And then my days are Laura Los Angeles days where I'm CEO of the brand. Like I have those days written in. But like no matter what, I have a certain amount of things that will be executed. And on Sunday we figure out what days they will be executed. You know, I think people would like to see this on your YouTube channel. How you guys...

She's so good. How you guys plan this. I'm like really crazy about it. She's a burgo. I am. With YouTube, like I can only imagine how I would fit YouTube into what I'm doing. like you have to be completely made up. Like I feel like I would need facial massage

because like we got to tighten the cheek bone. A little lymphatic drainage. A little lymphatic. You need like your hair done. Your spray tan Michael doesn't know what we're talking about. You need your brows done. Let's go back to crypto, Lauren. Yeah.

Yeah, but you got to like have everything like all set up. Totally. And then the lights. For me it's never okay. If I have time this week, I want to film this. This is what it's coming. first and this is what will happen this week. So this is where it will fit in. And I already put those placeholders. So when other things come in, it's probably going to be a no because my slots

are already filling. You should have came at me two or three weeks earlier with this. Whether it be an event or a meeting or a phone call, like I put my content first because it's made me who I am, not meetings and phone calls. You know, my content that you, like, because you can get every opportunity in the world, but if you're not producing content and like good content, then eventually it's going to fizzle off. So I always put my content first. I have one more question for each of you. Knowing everything you know now about creating content, creating businesses online, obviously, like this space is shaken out in such a different way than all of us kind of entered this arena. For aspiring creators, aspiring

influencers, YouTubers, podcasters, what would you tell them when they're starting now today in this landscape compared to when you guys started? Because the strategy, I'm sure, is going to be much different. It's so different. It's like, I would say literally, Eon's different. It's not the same. So, like, you can't just like, I feel like nowadays it's a lot harder like let's say start on YouTube or start on some platform because it's like there's so much competing things going on on the platforms for me I'd honestly I always tell them I was like start on TikTok honestly because like people can blow up on there it's not like YouTube you could blow up on YouTube before you can blow up on Instagram before those platforms like don't blow people up anymore

doesn't help them do one before you go yes we will absolutely show you how to do a ticot before we go 100 so you're saying go to emerging platforms where attention is just starting to happen yes yes because that's where it's like it's just different the thing is like let's say on TikTok the algorithm is so unique You can create a video and I can literally get like 10 million views on it even if you have no followers No followers, but but the thing is about it can be passed around I think it's so important That at the same time that you're doing TikTok, you're also uploading on YouTube Because no influencer has more longevity than a YouTuber

Yeah, it is and it's what's gonna give you the longevity Because like TikTok is gonna burn off in two or three years I'm gonna add to that I think podcasting Yeah Goes hand in hand of that and I'll tell you why Well here's what it is it's anything where you can build a long tail library on that people can continue to go back to.

But I will tell you one thing about podcasting and why I'm excited that you guys are in the space. Podcasting is the only platform that saves the audience time. Every other single platform takes their time, including TikTok, including YouTube, including Instagram, including blogs, podcasting. Someone right now is picking their kids up at school and getting a manicure and folding laundry and cleaning the kitchen. They're able to do things.

and you can do that with YouTube too. I'll put YouTube on the background and do whatever. But it's different to be in someone's ear. Yeah. But even, I mean, this is maybe counter. It's good. You guys are doing a podcast too, not to add it on to YouTube. No, it's true.

That's what we did, though. But even if this is counter to what I'm doing here, but I still agree with both of you that it's better to go to places where there is attention and chance to blow. Because even with a podcast, it's a great medium. It's very competitive, but the discoverability is hard. You guys are coming with a built-in audience. We're coming with a built audience.

this would not be the first thing I would say, hey, do that first. And also it's podcasting too. And you guys, same with YouTube. You have to have a unique recipe for each of the avenues. I agree. It has to be different on everything.

I think that's actually really important. So on our podcast, I feel like we're a little bit more open than we are on other platforms. So that's what makes it different. Like, for example, for me on my TikToks, I do like funny voiceover TikToks. Like I do things that are more campy,

a little bit more like funny sexual even over there. Humor. Do we get to see your penis? No, sadly. I know. I know. I'm not Jesse Williams. I know Jesse Williams.

I don't have an only fan. Do we need to get only fans? I think there's a possibility that we all need to get on the only fans. I think there is because I know a bad baby made $53 million. We've all been doing it wrong. You know what actually? Scratch everything we said. Fuck everything you just said.

Sell your cock. Yeah. Should we do a pregnant sex tape? Yes. There's a market for it, I'm sure. I'll lick goch pregnant. on OnlyFans. All of us are on here

telling what platforms meanwhile this Only fans 53 million in one year yeah literally Taylor's literally searching only fans

like trying to figure out a way how he can get in I thought it was an app I try to download the app because I'm like Right? Because I'm like I'm just need to see

what's going on I keep hearing this stuff and then it's not even it's a website It's a website It's a website Yeah I don't even like

How did they not have an only fans app I know Listen I used to run a bunch of traffic online And it's like you would do all these searches like

What's this content pop in What's this? What's this? What's this? Porn. Always number one. Oh my God. Are you so serious? It is undefeated. It is undefeated. I'm not surprised. It doesn't surprise me at all. It's surprised me at all either. Because everyone wants to watch. Everyone wants to be like

It's undefeated. See it. Every time it comes back to porn for us. It comes back to porn. So the the moral of this episode is watch lots of porn. Do not use a plastic straw. Yeah, of course. It has microplastics. Do not use a tea bag unless it's a ball sack in your mouth. Yes. And get on YouTube, but really good on OnlyFrans. And TikTok. And TikTok.

Throw a little TikTok in there. Throw it in there. Just kind of play with that. They're going to show me how to do a TikTok. Yes, we are. Before you guys go, I'm sure, I mean, everybody knows where can they find you and where can they find the podcast? You can find our podcast.

Anywhere you listen to podcast, but we're also on YouTube. You can look up full coverage, but it's spelled F O-O-L coverage because we're fools. I'm Larlar Lee on Instagram. Manium UA 733 on Instagram Mani Muiui 733 on Instagram And on everything else And on everything

If you type in Mani Amui or Laura Lee You're going to find us Boom you're going to find us Yeah product lines Lunar Beauty for me On everything lunar beauty Lunar Beauty.com Larley Los Angeles

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