The Bossticks - Martha Stewart On Staying Powerful, Youthful, & Relevant For 40+ Years - & Her Take On Trad Wives

Episode Date: February 16, 2026

#940: Join us as we sit down with Martha Stewart & Dr. Dhaval Bhanusali — co-founders of ELM Biosciences. Martha Stewart is a New York Times-bestselling author, Emmy Award-winning TV host, entrepreneur, & lifestyle expert who has taught billions the joy of homemaking. She's best known for turning her passion for everyday living into a global business empire & becoming a household name. Dr. Dhaval Bhanusali is a board-certified dermatologist, laser surgeon, & biotech entrepreneur recognized as one of the most influential dermatologists in the industry. In this episode, Martha shares the evolution of her entrepreneurial journey, her thoughts on trad wives, gives a behind-the-scenes look at her day to day lifestyle, insights on her efficiency techniques, & shares her lasting impact on the lifestyle & homemaking space. Then Dr. Dhaval Bhanusali joins the conversation as they discuss their bond over skincare science, how they've protected Martha's skin over the years, the truth about skincare treatments, their tips on how to stay youthful, & share the launch of their skincare line, ELM Biosciences.   To Watch the Show click HERE   For Detailed Show Notes visit TSCPODCAST.COM   To connect with Martha Stewart click HERE   To connect with Dr. Dhaval Bhanusali click HERE   To connect with ELM Biosciences click HERE   To connect with Lauryn Bosstick click HERE   To connect with Michael Bosstick click HERE   Read More on The Skinny Confidential HERE   Head to our ShopMy page HERE and LTK page HERE to find all of the products mentioned in each episode.   Get your burning questions featured on the show! Leave the Him & Her Show a voicemail at [phone].   To Shop ELM Biosciences go to https://go.shopmy.us/p-42895165 and use code SKINNY for 10% off.    This episode is sponsored by The Skinny Confidential The beauty tool that started it all, redesigned to evolve with you. Shop Ice Roller at https://bit.ly/IceRollerSilver today.   This episode is sponsored by FRE Nicotine Try FRE Nicotine Pouches today at http://FREpouch.com and use code "SKINNY" for 25% off for NEW customers only.    This episode is sponsored by Kion Visit http://getkion.com/skinny for 20% off.    This episode is sponsored by Hiya Health Receive 50% off your first order. To claim this deal you must go to http://hiyahealth.com/SKINNY.    This episode is sponsored by Legacy Box Visit http://Legacybox.com/SKINNY for 55% off. That's Legacybox dot com slash SKINNY to save 55% when you digitize your memories.   This episode is sponsored by Veracity  Head to http://VeracityHealth.co and use code SKINNY for up to 45% off your order.   This episode is sponsored by HERS Start your free intake at http://ForHers.com. Produced by Dear Media

The following podcast is a dear media production. She's a lifestyle blogger extraordinaire. Fantastic. And he's a serial entrepreneur. A very smart cookie. And now Lauren Everts and Michael Bostic are bringing you alone for the ride. Get ready for some major realness. Welcome to the skinny confidential, him and her.

Today's guest is someone who didn't just build a company. She built a category. Martha Stewart. Martha built an empire on taste, precision, and standards. We know this. She made entertaining an art form, and she really turned details into discipline, which I have massive respect for. I grew up personally with her cookbooks in our kitchen. My mom and my dad used to make her champagne vinaigrette constantly. We would cook her recipes. I remember her book entertaining being set out like the most important thing ever on like a little cookbook stand. Also, in the later part of this episode, we focus on skincare. Martha is very passionate about skincare and towards the end we bring on

Dr. Duval Bonousali. He is absolutely amazing and he is one of the dermatologists behind Road and now her skincare line, M. Bioscience. They together developed a skincare line and it's major. So we get to all things, sports illustrated, entertaining, skin care, taste, tips, tricks, hacks, everything you could really want in one episode. Martha and Dr. DeBall, welcome to the show. This is the Skinny Confidential, him and her. Martha Stewart, what is something that you have not checked off your bucket list? Oh my gosh, my bucket list is like a mile long. And there's so much to do and there's so many places to go and so many things to try, I hope it never comes to an end.

Can you give us an example of something that's on your mile-long bucket list? I want to go to Fly Eagles in Mongolia. That is the coolest answer. Why Eagles in Mongolia? I love birds of prey. I have a lot of them on my farm. I nurture like Red Tail Hawks and Cooper Hawks. They're my friends.

I have rescued a couple that had been, one was locked in a barn, and I don't know how long it had been locked in the barn. Something made me open the barn. And there's this beautiful, beautiful Cooper's Hawk lying on the ground, kind of desiccated. And I was very upset, but something had made me open the door. I never opened the door, but something had. So I picked it up, I gave it water, and it flew away. So it wasn't going to die, but it would have died if they hadn't opened the door. And then one day I was riding my horse, three.

the brambles and I heard of rustling in the brambles and I saw a hawk all tangled in vines, a beautiful, big hawk, a redtail. And I got off my horse and I, and you know, these birds are vicious in real life, but it let me unwrap it and take all the brandles off. I had to go and get scissors and clippers and get the vines cut off. It had really done a number on itself. And I took it out into the field and set it down and it just looked up at me and flew. away. And he follows me. That same bird follows me when I'm on my horseback. So interesting. I've seen videos on YouTube and on social where you see like an animal in trouble and they let the human help. Oh, always. They have a, they have a sense of rescue and built in, I think, and they

want to survive. That's a great bucket list one. I've never heard anything like that. That's amazing. Did you ever, did you ever see Eagle Hunters? No. Oh, it's a movie. Okay. And it's made of a young, a beautiful young girl, she's probably 14 years old in Mongolia, who is given an ingle by her father, who is a very fine bird hunter. She raises, raises it and trains it, and I want to be that girl. Martha Stewart's Bucketlist, you heard it here first. I can't say it's not a unique answer. You never seem like you're bored. Oh, no, boredom is not in my book. So what do you, is that a discipline? Is it just how you're wired? Is it a curiosity? It's definitely a discipline. And I get very upset if I ever hear anybody say they're bored, because boredom is useless, and there's no

reason to be bored. I mean, there's always something to do, always. It could even just be go to sleep if you're bored, but there's always something good to do or something to learn or something to see, and don't get bored. How do you spend your free time? Doing things. I don't have much free time, by the way. I wouldn't think so. I have very little, and I have so many animals to pay attention to. I have gardens. I live on a farm. There's so much to do all the time. And sometimes now, I'm noticing that I sometimes just start to cook and just make something good. And I have about, there's about 15 people that work on my farm. And I, like the other day, I just, I had so many eggs. My chickens are laying really well this winter, surprisingly. They usually kind of stop laying.

But they've been laying like 30 eggs a day now. So I had all these beautiful eggs. And I put out three giant pans on the big stove and olive oil and some butter, and I mixed up a whole lot of eggs. First, I sauteed lots of onions from the garden. I have a lot of cold storage for onions and potatoes. I cut up the onions. I went and I cut churvel and parsley and celery leaves from the greenhouse, and I made this, and spinach, and I made this delicious onion and spinach omelet. Big frittatas for everybody. I must have used like 50 or 60 eggs. and so good. So with everything you have going on in the career,

what catches your time these days? Like, where, what do you say, okay, I will dedicate time to? Well, if it's something exciting, like I would never say no to going to report on figure skating with Snoop Dogg at the Olympics. I wouldn't say no to that either. I'm on my way in a week and a half to Milan

to do reporting at the Olympics with Snoop Dog. We had such a good time. Is there anything with him you would say no to? Nah. Yeah, anything. Nothing. Nothing. Nothing. He's there now. He's, he's, he's there very busy because I just, I just talked to Sarah, his manager. She, she said he had to come early because of Savannah Guthrie's mother disappearing. Did you hear that? Yeah, I've heard that. And now they're saying, it's a criminal thing they're starting to say. So why? Who would take this lovely old lady? I don't know. How old is she? I don't know how old she. Yeah, she's up there. And they just came out today and said, I think that they're going to ask for it to criminal.

It's frightening. frightening. But anyway, he's now doing her job on top of all his other reporting that he has to do for the Olympics. So he's there already in Milan. I was crying, laughing when he was commenting on the horses. Wasn't it fabulous? The dressage. We had such a good, we won an Emmy for that. I can't believe it. I didn't even know we were put up for an Emmy, but all of a sudden, a couple weeks ago, I got this great big black box. And there's this big, beautiful Emmy in the box. How did you and Snoop Dog meet? Oh, we met years ago on my show. I invited, I liked rap. This is in the 90s. And I kind of really, I really wanted Eminem to be on my show.

And he wouldn't come. He just wouldn't come. And he and I, we have a lot of things in common. And he just wouldn't come. So then I started looking around at the other rappers. Snoop was one of them. I had Snoop. I had Usher.

I had Buster Rhymes became a friend. I saw Bustor. Rhymes not long ago. I even presented VH1 awards with him on the stage of Radio City, and he made a dress to wear. For some reason, he was dressing in dresses at that time. Do you remember Bustin's dresses? I don't remember that we'll have to look up. Like a calico dress, and he looked so stupid, and he was so proud that he had made it. He was standing there on the Radio City stage with me. He was very cute, and he has a really cute son, too, who's also a musician. They hang out at Monty Lipman's house.

So I'm here because Monty, Lipman, do you know who he is, Universal Records, Republic Records? Yeah, so he's like the, he's like the honcho there and owner. I mean, he's bought up all those other record companies. And he also is the, and he's Taylor Swift's Impressario. He represents so many fabulous people. He does around the corner from me in Bedford. He has this in a beautiful, beautiful house where he entertains all the time. He has three kids, a beautiful wife who's a therapist, a psychologist.

and he said, you have to come to the Grammys this year because Clive's giving me an honor. And Clive is a very old friend of mine. Davis. Clive Davis, yeah. And so I came out for Clive. And this made, you know, Clive's 95. Wow.

And he was so fabulous this year. Again, he had like 3,000 people at this party, the pre-Grammys at the Hilton Hotel. So we're sitting at our table. We had my lawyer, Alan Grubman, and his wife. We had Leior Cohen. If you know who Lear was, the big, big music guy.

We had Tom Hanks' wife, why do I forget her name? Rita. Rita, oh my God, beautiful Rita was there, and her son was there, the actor, and all at our table. And there's so many people, and Clive goes around the entire room and mentions a few, like maybe 12 people during the course of the evening.

While he's introducing the musical acts, he also talks about somebody in the audience. And I all of a sudden hear lifestyle, and I think, oh, God, he's, he's, reading my bio, and he introduced me to the audience. That was very touching and nice. That's very cool. Yeah, real cool. So when's the album coming out? And I'm not a musician. When's the album going to? You don't know. You never know. I could totally see you doing an album with Snoop. I feel like that would go viral. Oh, brother. Maybe. You heard it here first. Maybe it

maybe I'll have it. Add it to the bucket list. Maybe I'll write the new poetry for Snoop. That'd be amazing. How is your personal taste evolved and what has not changed? Like what has stayed the same. Oh my gosh. Over years and years? Well, I just get more, I started off very artistically with this idea for a magazine called Martha Stewart Living. That was the big idea. Because I thought everybody really wants to learn everything about how to take care of your home and be a homemaker and elevate the art of homemaking instead of housekeeping. We don't want to be housekeepers. None of us want to be a housekeeper. But we do want to be homemakers. Some people want to be homebreakers, but we won't talk about them.

We'll talk about those later on. So that idea was the big idea, because nobody had really attacked housekeeping, homemaking as a subject matter in that way. And make it really beautiful and teach everybody about crafting, about gardening, about entertaining, about living, about collecting, about celebrating, all that stuff. That's what the idea was. And I just lived through that entire litany of great ideas for years and years and years and years. And now we've figured out that everything we show how to make, you also want to buy because nobody has time to make all the stuff that we taught them how to make. But they like to know how to do it, but they don't have the time to really do it or the talent.

So they'll buy the product too. So we've made thousands of different fabulous products over the years. One of the people that I think of as like the blueprint for a career to emulate, and a lot of people now make livings on these kind of platforms and other doing what you did. But at the time when you started, what were the hurdles that you had to kind of get through to be taken seriously? I was reinventing. I was reinventing a new thing.

Yeah. A new endeavor. I mean, that subject of living was a new, can you believe it? I mean, everybody has to live, but nobody had really taught anybody how to live. And so I think I was one of the pioneers. in the subject of living. And that was great because I could really take people in many different directions. Is it so crazy to see Instagram now with all of these women that are doing the stuff that you did?

No. No, I taught them. Last night, last night I went to the Chateau Marmont, okay? And there's Phineas. My granddaughter is madly in love with both Phineas and Billy. She loves their music more than anything. She is, she follows every word they say. And so that's Jude.

And Jude's gotten to meet Billy. She didn't come out with me. I said, if you come, you might meet Phineas this time, but she didn't come from New York. She has homework. You know, she's a student. She's 14. She has too much homework. I said hi to Finney.

He immediately recognized me. And, well, he recognized me. I mean, you know, the Lama guys don't know who the heck I am. I don't know about that. He knew who I was. And he said, Martha, my mom raised us on your food and your recipes. And you made her happy. And I thank you for that and blah, blah, blah.

And we have a couple other coincidences in our lives. And it was so nice to hear him say that, you know. Oh, I told my mother, you know, because my mom tunes in a few times. We've done this for a long time. And I told her that we were doing this a day. And she almost fell out of the chair. So did my dad. My dad said, Lauren, at Thanksgiving dinner, we went around the table.

And we said, who would you love to meet before you die? And it's hard to get a compliment out of my mother. Oh, your father said that? And my father said that. My father said that. Well, her father's a restaurateur and host and security of this space for a long time. But anyways, the point is, is my mother doesn't give compliments lightly. And she heard this.

She was like, all right, now you'll get a compliment. I mean, I used to live off your champagne. I think it was shallot champagne vinaigrette. Oh, the best. With a little mustard, a little de jizal mustard, right? The best, the best of the best. How do you know when something is good versus just, popular? I have very good taste. And I know if it's good or not. We're getting laughs here.

Nobody do. And, you know, there's a lot of things are popular that aren't so good. Okay. You know, and there's, and in this day and age that we've been in for the last, you know, year, for example, there's a lot of popular things that aren't so good. Right. We have to overcome all that stuff. Is your taste natural or acquired? I think my taste is absolutely born into me. It's born into it. Do you remember the first time that you can recognize that you had taste? Was there a moment?

Oh, maybe when I won my first blue ribbon at a flower show for the women's club in Nutley, New Jersey. And I created a flower arrangement that I knew would win because it was so beautiful. What are some things that you can think of that you see on Instagram that you don't think are tasteful? Oh, there's so much stuff that's not tasteful. Give us some Martha, no taste. It's the, first of all, it's the, it's that voice, that guy's voice. I hate his voice so much. You know, the guy is giving instructions all the time.

Yeah, yeah, that high, kind of high-pitched voice. You know, it's the voice of a robot, you know. Oh, okay, okay, okay. Yeah, that voice. Okay, that has no taste, that voice. You know, that is an awful voice. That's got to go. It does get your attention, but it's a very, and I don't like that, that same voice is used

for so many, some size, really good projects. Like the AI voice is what you're talking about. So you don't like that voice. But it was based on a person's voice, because that is an announcer's voice. Oh, he's going to drive. The radio. Yeah, but it's worse than any voice that it was ever on the radio. There's no taste in that voice.

I don't like that voice. What are other things that you see online? Like, is it food, is it drinks? Is it outfits? What is it? I learn a lot on Instagram. It's funny, but I really do. I love techniques.

and I like to learn a better way to do something. I know how to do a lot of things, but if I can find a better way to do something by watching, and I learn by watching, I've learned how to cook by watching the great chefs all over the world cook. That's how I teach myself. And so if I can learn by watching,

I mean, I learn so many things, but you have to sometimes turn the sound off, that garish music that they play. I mean, it's pretty boring some of that music and the crazy noise, but the techniques are there. So you learn. Are you always this efficient? Have you always just been naturally efficient? Yeah, very much so.

Ever since you were little. Yeah. So I'm the oldest. I'm the second oldest of six kids. Okay. And we lived in a modest house with very little money. And we had to be efficient. We had to get everything done in the right amount of time.

We had to be, we had to cook the best food we could possibly cook with the resources at hand. You know, we never went on vacations. We couldn't afford to go on a vacation. Our vacation was going to a friend, like a relative's house on a little lake, Pine's Lake. And we all pile into the Chevy and drive up to Pine's Lake and go swimming. And we took a picnic usually with us. But that was our vacation for years and years.

I hadn't been anywhere by the time I was 18 years old, nowhere. Wow. I mean, I'd been to New York. working. I was a model and doing all that stuff. But I hadn't been to Europe or I hadn't been to Florida. I hadn't been anywhere. I had been to Washington. When I was 16, I remember I had a rich girlfriend who had a convertible, a Cadillac convertible given to her for her 16th birthday. Diane Sawyer, her name was, another Sawyer, Diane Sawyer. And she... Similarly the same name.

Yeah. Her name was really Doreen Sawyer. Doreen. And so it had white leather, leather upholstery, and red Cadillac with the great big fins, you know. So we piled in and we were given permission to drive to Washington, D.C. for the weekend to see the monuments. And why our parents let us go, I'll never know, because we got just so much trouble. Like we got almost kicked out of our hotel for making noise and, you know, we were bad. But that was like the furthest I had been other than Buffalo on the train to visit my grandma. You seem like a good time. What were your parents like?

My parents were, well, my mom was a school teacher. Okay. And she was a very good cook. And she was a very, she talked about efficiency. She was ultra efficient. And she sewed all our clothes. Wow. All our clothes.

I had beautiful dresses and, you know, lovely things. And mom made everything. And then my father was a salesman. He sold pharmaceuticals like for Erest or for Pfizer. I got that big commercial for Pfizer because my father had worked for Pfizer many years ago. Fun fact. for the COVID vaccine. They loved that I had, my father was a Pfizer employee.

So were your parents, I know you started your entrepreneurial career, like, was it 42 is when you really got cooking on your own thing? Yeah, but I had been an entrepreneur already because my, you know, when I was like eight years old, I was doing all the neighborhood parties. Were your parents able to see some of the great success? My dad knew. My dad knew. And oh yeah, my mom lived until 94, so she's, she saw everything.

But dad died earlier, but he got to see a little bit. I was married by the time he passed away, but he got to see. And were they surprised or they knew? I think my dad knew that I was hardworking. They encouraged hard work. We're Polish stock. We're hardworking people. Do you think with this, with the current generation that that has to be at the focus,

no matter how creative areas, at the center of what you do, it's always hard work. I don't think so anymore. There was never luck. I mean, it's not luck. But now, I think it is a lot. I think there's more luck involved.

I mean, and also, if you're extra beautiful, that gets you a long way now because it's visual. You know, and when I was growing up, it wasn't all, there was hardly a television. And now, and now, I mean, everybody, we were the last family to have a television on our street. And I was already almost a teenager before we had a television.

And how do you think about career longevity? Because I agree with you that I think it's a lot easier these days to stand up quickly and stand out. But then when you think about the length of a successful career. Well, I don't know yet because everybody's still in their early 20s or the ones who have adopted TikTok and adopted Instagram and whatever else is coming down the pike. We don't know yet. We don't know what their longevity is. Right.

But you've seen people's career come and go. Is there a secret to the longevity that you've had? Well, you see a Merrill Street, for example. I saw a Merrill Street in her first movie, and now I'm seeing her in the most recent movie. That is longevity. Yeah. That is extraordinary. And you see, oh, Helen Muran.

Oh, I just watched her in the fabulous Mobland. Have you seen Mobland? Oh, should we watch it? Oh, my, the best thing on TV this year. You've never told me about it. I watch the whole thing. Okay. Can you believe he watches shows and doesn't invite me to watch the show?

Listen, we have got three. When do you watch it? I sneak, I'm like you, I sneak the iPad into the bed. I even, I kind of go into the covers. Wait, settle the debate. I sneak something else in the bed. We were going to ask you what you think. I sneak food into the bed.

But hear me out. I have a tray, like a Martha Stewart tray. It's a wicker tray. Yeah, on little legs that sit on your bed. It has my little, my magazines. I sometimes put a flower. I have an Ivy mug. Be honest with Martha.

Be honest. That is one out of 20 times. But the tray and the flower. But the one out of 20 times, is that okay to eat in bed? Yes, of course it's okay to eat in bed. He thought you were going to agree with him. This is a devastating answer for me. Oh, no, but how big a bed?

It's a big bed. It's a king bed. It's a big king. The wide one, not the long one. I wish I was a little tall. Oh. So you have the wide king. Yeah.

See, I have double beds. And I've never had a king bed in my life. So you get to sleep alone. No, I like to sleep with somebody in a small bed. In a double bed. I'm trying to think how that would work. And there's no room for a wicker tray with food on it. Okay. Maybe I've got to get us in bed.

Would you ever do a meal in bed? It's not my thing. It's not a thing. Thank God. I don't think it's a thing. It's not. I don't take food. You know why because you're lying.

I don't take food to bed usually. No food in bed. She's lying about the tray and the flower and the presentation. I'm not lying. I'm in the send. What does she sneak into bed? It's whatever it is. It's crumbs.

There's crumbs. There's salt. Really. Big mistake to sneak a chia seed tea in bed because the chia seeds spilled it all over the bed. So all the tiny chia seeds were just over there. It wasn't good. What do you do when you get? I once ate a pomegranate in bed.

See, you can't. That's a pomegranate in bed. On purpose, I wanted to see if I could eat an entire pomegranate without getting any stains on the sheets. That's a great commercial for a laundry detergent. It's so great. You should do that. I did it. I did it without any.

Checked off the bucket list. She did it. I think Lauren does the opposite. I think she eats in the bed and sees how many stains she could get on the sheets. And then I'm left to... You stain the sheets, too. Let's be real. So do your children eat in bed too?

Yeah, they do. No, but I'm trying to put a stop to it right away. Because our son came in the other day and he said, Mom said I can eat in the bed. And there was crumb... I was like this, the whole trying to go to sleep. No, no. Then they get on the floor.

Yeah. The dog's... It's so... I would be... What about the dogs? Are they allowed in the bed? Yes. On the foot of the bed.

Are your dogs allowed in your bed? Chow Chows wouldn't think of coming into a bed. Chow Chow chowes are regal. I need a chow chow. And they sit in the doorways and they guard their guard dogs. So one is in one doorway and one's in the other doorway. Are you listening to this line? That's smart.

Those are wonderful dogs. Chow chow chow. And now Frenchies like to come into bed. Okay. I have three Frenchies. And do they come in your bed? They can. Okay.

But I have four cats, and the cats have priority. Wow. Yeah, they get to come into the bed. All in the double bed. Yeah. Where do the hawk sleep? They're outside. What do you do when you sit next to the bore at dinner?

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Okay, what did you do? Well, first I had to ask my daughter, who's very critical. I had to ask her if I should do it. Yeah. They called me, I think it was November they called me. Was it November? Yeah, November they called me. They said, would you pose for a Sports Illustrated swimsuit cover?

They said I could be a cover. So I said, yeah, of course. But I asked my daughter, should I do it? And she said, yes. my daughter said, go for it, which was very nice, you know, generous of her. So then I got, I went to the gym every single day. Okay. Without fail, I did a lot of exercise. I got waxed all over several times. What else did I do? Waxed. I got my hair colored. I got big, took care of my nails. You know, I tried to do all the right things. What are you doing in the gym? Are you weightlifting? Are you doing Pilates? Is this a medley. Monday, Wednesdays, and Fridays are usually the weightlifting with Sean. Okay. Sean is so happy. Please mention him on this program.

We will. Sean. He could somehow people tell him when I mention his name. And he's a, he's a very, very nice man with grown children and he's a very clean, pristine gym in my town. And I go there at 6.30 in the morning. So you have to be there on time. And so he did some weightlifting with him. We do weights. We do some trek stuff, you know, with that one of the, those straps, you know, squats and stuff. What else do we do with him? Oh, balance, balance boards. I just gave him all my balance boards to which he was very happy about. And the other days, I go to Pilates, Tuesdays, Thursdays, and Saturdays with, and there's a little studio in my town that's called the Bedford Pilates Studio and private, private teacher, Janice, her name is,

and we do everything. Do you love living in a town that's, that's small and simple, as opposed to like a New York or L.A.? Well, I choose to live out of the city. I have an apartment in the city where I change my clothes and stuff and my grandchildren live in the city, so I go to see them as frequently as my daughter allows, which is not very frequently, because they're too busy. But my granddaughter goes to Alvinale dance, three times, no, four times a week she goes after school. And she gets home at 7.30 at night. So if I'm in the neighborhood, I pick her up and take her home because I don't like her with her giant backpacks going into the subway. She's only 14. I know. And she has hair longer than yours. She does. Yeah, down to her knees.

Wow. People that don't, it's crazy for me to think about a young girl like that doing that, because we have, I have a young daughter and I can't imagine. It's scary in the city, but she's, she is not at all afraid. Yeah, it's just like, and she's not, but she's not, she's cautious, you know, she's cautious, but she's not careless. Uh-huh. But she's not afraid. And I keep saying, you know, I'll send a car for you every day. And she'd rather take the subway. It's faster, she said. Okay.

But she's a hundred pound backpack. Yeah, what is with the backpack? Well, we all did it. I mean, we have backpacks. I know, but I don't think it's everyone has back pain now. No, they don't. She doesn't have back pain. She's strong as an ox, this girl.

We, us at our age, have back pain, and I blame the Jans. If I sneeze wrong, my back's up. Yeah. Yeah. She might have a friend who was in the neighborhood coming home too. That's always fun to get another viewpoint on stuff. So do you like living off-grid when you are off-grid? Yeah.

Yeah. But I come to New York probably at least five days a week. How simple is your life when you're in Bedford? Not very simple. Why is it not simple? Because there's so much to do. I mean, I have a real running operation up there. You know, we have employees that work there also.

We do TV from there. We do a lot of social media from there. I'm the chief gardening officer of Scots Miracle Grow now. And so I do a lot of gardening stuff for them. I'm now the ambassador for cast iron, enamel cast iron for Kohler. And that's a big job. Coal plumbing fixtures. We're going to Milan.

After the Olympics, I then have to go back to Milan for the big Ambiente. What's it called? Oh, Salone. Yes, Salone, the beautiful. home fashion convention there. So I do those kinds of things, too. But I advise companies, too, on the side. How do you decide which companies or opportunities to say yes to and which ones to say no to? Well, there's several reasons to join something. One is compensation. One is the product, something I really like. I won't do that for companies that I don't like.

And both of those companies I like a lot. They're old family companies, which have established themselves, leaders in their industry, and I like that. And I can be a help, and they can help me too. So it's fun. What is your real nighttime routine? When do you start to wind down and what does it look like? Depends on when I get home. I mean, I'm usually out late during the week. If I'm in the city, I usually have a dinner in the city because to drive home, if a normal time, to get home, say for a seven o'clock dinner at home, I'd have to leave, you have to leave two hours because the traffic is so horrible. So I usually stay in and have a dinner, business dinner or a friend dinner. And then I get home and then I check everything, go pet my horses and take care of the

donkeys. People have done that already, but I take care of this. I just check on everything. And then I do my mail. All the mail is horrible. That's one of the worst things. And when you're somebody like, you're probably having the same thing. Don't you get a lot of packages? I get a lot of packages. Oh my gosh. You have to have a system. Got to have a system. I forbid them to disappear because then I can't send thank you for stuff. Do you send a thank you for every package? Oh, I try.

I try very hard. You're similar to that way. Lauren does that. She does that for us. I'm grateful for because... Yeah, you have to have somebody keeping track because you're acknowledging, you know, a gift or a sample of something that, you know. So I have to do that.

I go through that stuff. I go through the mail. I separate this was to JC. J.C. is my business manager. So he gets the bills. and the receipts. That's fun. And then Nikki gets all my thank yous and all other stuff that she has to file. Okay. She gets her pile. And then the gardener gets stuff if I get a catalog or something that he has to look at. And then, you know, different people that all get separated. It seems like you do have a lot of systems in place to make things as efficient as possible. Oh, yeah. Oh, it helps. It helps. A memos. Oh, my gosh. The memos that I write on Sunday nights.

What's the memo that you write on Sunday night? You have to, a TikTok will go crazy for that. Oh, I should probably publish a menu, a memo because it goes to, I have DLs. Do you know what DLs are, direct lists? No, tell us about it. So you can, well, a direct list is like housekeepers, direct lists. Okay. I have three housekeepers. They each get a copy.

Okay. I have driver lists. I have two drivers. They have to get their DL. Then I have all the groundskeepers. They have to get their memo. Okay. So it's called To Do.

Okay. Week of To Do. It's so horrible mailbox. And are you writing this by hand? No, I'm typing it on the computer. So you have to organize all of this and fan it out to everyone to make this. Because during the weekend, I've been taking verbal notes on my, and I dictate all the notes of what has to be done on the property. Well, I think, you know, people will look at your life.

Like, which trees have to be pruned? I'm the only one who's going to notice that the catawpa trees have to be pruned. Okay, who else is going to notice? I get that. She's constantly refining. You better get ready. I'm taking this as inspiration. I'm walking around this office.

There's a dead plan in the corner. I'm going to start doing these DLs. You should do this. You need to constantly be refining like she is. And then Lauren walks by me and she goes, this is a reflection on you. That's what I said. This is a reflection on you.

Everything needs to be dialed out. It's important. She's going to see your dead plans. It's going to make your whole company look like shit. She just looked at the flowers. She's looking at it. You have to be presentable. I like your color spectrum there.

Oh. Thank you. You know what? Actually, we've evolved it a little bit. I'm going to show it to after. Is that makeup on the bottom? That's all my. Michael. That's Michael's company. Well, it started, I'm going to show it, but I've changed the colors a little bit because I feel like it. That's not a normal spectrum. No, I know, but it, don't you think. No primary colors except for black.

Ooh, is that a good, that's a good thing. Yeah. This is the, this is the new spectrum where I incorporated a little bit of masculine tone, but a little bit of green. Oh, okay. More olive green, yes, so you have olive green. Yeah, so don't you feel like it's a little too much of a pinky. Yeah, you have no orangeses or greens. Yeah, so we changed that. But it. Or yellows. Just changed it up. So when you're refining, you do need to do a book called Martha's Memos. That would go viral. No, I'm just writing the introductions to a bunch of chapters in our newest 103rd book called The Martha Way. So that's going to answer some of your questions. So it's chapter by chapter of what is the Martha way to do something. When you get to 100 million, you're going to take it.

That is going to crush it. And I'll tell you why. That is the questions that I have for you is how you do these little. things that maybe, I want to know like how you do each system. The memos thing to me is so interesting. It's like you want to see behind the scenes of that. That'll be my favorite. Martha's way. The team wanted me to ask you

the Martha Way. About your perspective on the modern trad wife. I love the trad wife. But they've been quiet lately. They have been quieter. Yeah, well it's a controversial topic. Some people are really leaning in. Some people, what is your perspective? What's your name? Nadia? I love Nadia.

Naya? No. No. Nara. Nara Aziza. That one. I love her. And I also love the farmer. I love her.

Ballerina Farm. Oh, I love her. I like her too. Yeah. But I'm the original trad wife. Oh, yes, you are. I am. I did all that stuff.

I had pigs. Yep. I made my own prosciuttos on the back steps and the great big crock. I had goats. I milked my goats. I made cheese. You know, I did all that. I didn't do it on a big fancy farm like Ballerina does, but I did all that.

How did you have the foresight to mix that with entrepreneurship? Was it just natural? It evolves. It evolves. And just like they're doing. They're evolving all their businesses now. You know, Ballerina Farms has all kinds of products now. They're selling beef and milk and cheese products, all kinds of stuff.

Nara is selling fashion now. She's into fashion and raising the little babies. I love all those. I love those girls. Do you think it's a schick or you think she's like really being serious? I think it's a very clever way to get your attention. Yep. And I didn't have any of that.

I didn't have, I didn't have social media. Can you imagine if you had social media? I had to do it with public relations. I had to get all these newspapers to write articles about it. I have all those articles, full page articles about what's Martha doing at the farm. You know, farm et. I had a farm et. You know, it didn't even have a farm.

What can you imagine that if social media existed when you were doing what you were doing? It would be insane. It already is insane. Oh, it was. It was insane the way I was doing it. I was very proud when I first started the magazine that I had never spent one cent on advertising. And I still got a giant contract with Kmart. And then Kmart taught me all about advertising because they spent the first year of my products at Kmart.

I know all this because I'm writing an autobiography and it's all fresh in my mind. Okay. Kmart spent 25. million dollars the first year of my products and guess how much merchandise we sold how much a billion dollars that's how good it was i don't know if you get those returns anymore on that kind of spend i wish you did no i don't know if you do or not i don't think it depends on what the product is yeah speaking of products you want to bring dr deval in here and talk about what your latest thing our new our newest thing okay so right before you got in here we were going down we went down a lot of windy

roads, but we're talking about products specifically now. And I want to talk about what you two are building, because I think it's an interesting evolution of your career. And I guess to start, how did you two connect and get introduced in the first place? We were actually in Miami at an event. Miami wine and food, if I'm not mistaken. Separately. We were there separately. Separately, yeah. We bumped it to each other, started talking. I think at that time had a case that had gone viral. I do a lot of scar work. And she had recognized that we just started talking about lasers and skincare, and then science. And she actually had a lot of ingredient questions for me, which I was a bit taken aback for because she had like, we talked saffron, all these really, like really interesting

things where our worlds kind of collide. We talked for, I don't know, probably like 45 minutes to an hour. We reconnected a couple years later. And she actually ended up becoming the first person who ever came to my office when I opened it in Hudson Yards. So when you go to his office, what is the Martha special? Like, what do I need to ask for when I go? So, I mean, Martha is, well, It's Martha's office. It's not mine anymore. So she kind of owns it. But no, I think, you know, our relationship has certainly evolved. We did a fun facial for her. Recently, we had lasers and things like that. I think the interesting thing with a lot of, you know, whether it's aesthetics, beauty, all these things, it's about like preservation. And a lot of what our worlds look like, they overlap, right? Like we talk about nutrition, how you eat. You know, I think a lot of how I kind of approach medicine is more preventative. And it's thinking about like not just if somebody comes in, how do I fix it? It's more. How do I keep them? certain way. Are you guys a fan of the microneedling? For sure. Oh, I've had it, I've tried it once. Okay. And it was, I think it was painful and exhilarating and a little scary. Yeah. And probably useful. Yeah. So, yeah, microneedling definitely helps. It's a bit of,

so as a guy, we have a, this is a secret between us, you know, but we have a lower pain threshold, I think. And so I get a little bit more nervous. But you have a little bit more nervous. But The effects are certainly there, whether you have, you know, scarring, just want to re-texture, even pigment, sometimes it actually does help. So I told you off air that I struggle with hyperpigmentation. I don't know if it's from pregnancy or from birth control or the sun or whatever it is. Which product or which ingredient would you put me towards with that? So honestly, it depends on what the reason is. So again, if it's melasma from hormonal stuff post-pregnancy, it's a little bit different than... But not on your face. You don't have any... I do. You can't see it because it's a lot of...

makeup. There's a big one right there. But there's I have a mustache. What? Yeah, I do. It's from hyperpigmentation. It's okay. We got it. We'll take care of it. But no, there's a phone number right after that. No, but there are, and it look, so this is the truth about beauty, right? It's sometimes people come in. There's a lot of things on the internet that you, you see, and people trying to sell you things. We always approach it with science. And, you know, my whole is, my rule is always less is more. So if we can do it with topicals or even prescription products, that's always first attempt. You can do certain lasers like a 1927 nanometer laser specific to pigment. So I definitely can help. I know. I'm going to kind of see you. Yeah. But it and then also like

how do you so a really interesting thing is even how we approach, so we have a supplement that we worked on. I'm pretty, I think notorious for not loving supplements. I've been impressed in media saying that most of supplements out there are not, there's not much science behind them. But there's certain ingredients that are really powerful. So there's something called polypodium leukatomies. It's not meant to replace the sunscreen. So I'll never say it as a dermatologist. that you can replace sunscreen, but it's truly a supplement. So there's a lot of data around this supplement where, let's say you're out in the sun and it takes an hour to get a sunburn. It might take now an hour and a half to two hours. You get a little extra layer of protection as an

antioxidant. And this is definitely worth it. Yeah. I'm taking it. It really works. How much, Martha, do you think about the sun, especially now that I'm hearing this with gardening, being outside, right? Is that always been something you've thought about? Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. No, I have good skin. as a result of being careful. And it really makes a difference to be aware and to be protective. Hats, cover up, you know, clothes, you know,

cover yourself up. Don't expose your skin, you know, for lengthy theories of time outside. I'm outside all the time, but I try to protect myself. And to curiosity, with the Rolodex you have and basically the connection of,

what caught your eye about Dr. DeValle when you guys started talking that first time? Well, he liked talking about it and he liked to think about it. And we started to talk about skin care. And I've always wanted, I'm fascinated with skin care. And I want products that really work. I don't want, I love to try stuff.

I try everything. And but I wanted to zero in on stuff that was really going to be efficacious. And I think we have come up with, well, so far, two very efficacious products, a serum, which is applied morning. and for me, noon and night, I love my serum, our serum. And then the night cream, which just was introduced a couple weeks ago, and that is a very rich, wonderful cream. Dr. B, I leave the description of the contents up to him, but it really works.

I will say, Martha, that's a very high standard for what excellence is. And so it's a very humbling task to try to approach it. But, you know, I think that's what makes this relationship so great. When you guys were creating this, what are the numbers? non-negotiables in it. Intense smell. Okay. Sticiness, oiliness, greasiness,

yeah. Color. Anything unpleasant or, and just ineffectiveness. You can tell really fast if something is not effective. Exactly. So we have 350 official advisory board member dermatologist and probably almost 800 unofficially. So it had to work, right?

Because we wanted to, you know, Martha has an incredible platform. and she's truly an icon. What we really thought about, though, is how do we give science a platform? And she's been kind enough to kind of give, elevate so many dermatologists. We've used dermatologists for testing. We've used them for feedback, everything from what products to make, how well they work. I think in a world where, again, marketing is so powerful. Sometimes you have to go back to the basics. And, you know, what better way than having 350 of your closest scientific friends to be able to guide you? Again, I don't think that's ever happened before. And we love that, you know, we love that community that we've been able to build. All right. You guys know that feeling when something feels off with your body. But you finally bring it up at your annual and the doctor just seems so rushed. Maybe you're told everything's fine because the numbers say so, even though you know something isn't right. I've been there and it's honestly so frustrating.

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Well, I mean, I mean, why go out looking like a slob, you know, or dirty? Oh my gosh. Oh, my gosh.

Michael and you could go off on this. Michael has a whole, Michael can't stand how people dress at the airport. He has a whole thing. Oh, I could spend, I could change the whole trajectory of this episode just complaining about how people present in the airport.

How about at the gym? At the gym, too. I refuse to go out. She gets mad at me. She goes, now you're getting dressed up. I'm not getting dressed up. So you might, you think there might be some hotties at the gym. So you're just putting a little tinted sunscreen on before you go in. Honestly, I don't even think about that. It's at 545 in the morning. That's my habit. I like looking good. My daughter, when she was a little girl, she said, Mommy, please don't embarrass me and wear your apron to the store because her friends would say, I saw your mother at the store with her apron on. And, you know, and I don't

to embarrass anybody I don't want to embarrass myself you know I now have a reputation that has to be upheld so you can't go out right this down write this down I can't be a slob I'm not a slob I don't look like a slob I don't think you look like a slop listen you're obviously beautiful woman yeah but I do think that's what it is and you you guys will understand this when you get your face touched so much with glam sometimes when you're off you just want to be free I know but that's this is this is great and the And the elastin with sunblock with tinted.

Oh, you look great. You're good to go. I look totally natural and pretty. Yeah. I don't want everyone to say to me like, Michael, is that you? I can't, no, no, no, I can't handle that. You don't like that. Very important question, though.

When you go to the airport, are you dressed up dressed? Dressed up fully. Or is it like really high-end sweats? No. No, no sweats. No sweats. Actually, this was a whole, I almost had a revolt on my hands in this office. The team, primarily, I'll just say the team.

They wanted to start wearing these sweatsuits and, to the office. I was like, listen, we're not doing that. We're not going down. He has his garment bag matches his roller. It's not, I'm not in a full suit. He had to this outfit, when he talked about, he said, well, Martha like this. Tonight I'll be dressed. Oh, you got to dress up. Does you do you approve of this outfit? Perfect for, for doing a, a podcast. But tonight I'll be. Is this a podcast? Yes. Okay. When doing a podcast, you look appropriate. Yeah. Okay. I have one. Your hair is combed. Yeah. Well, that's a big debate on here too. They want me to be less combed.

Chris Appleton said it's too combed. He wants me to be... Well, you know, Chris Appleton, he can do the... Does he do your hair? No. He did do my hair. He's doing my hair this afternoon. It'll look great.

And is he going to be there tonight? Your hair looks great. Yeah, he's coming. Okay, so he's probably gonna give me shit that my hair is too combe, because he wants it to be like all crazy. A little tussled. Yeah. I don't feel like... The tussled look is nice.

I have three children. I feel like I'm in my middle. I feel like you should... I don't know about the tasseled look for me. He has two kids and he has tousled hair. Yeah, but I feel like he's got different look going on. No, we like a tousled hair. It's a little Lego hair.

I do, too. I do too. Stay out of this one. Highlights. Anyways, okay. One more. From both of your perspective, what mistakes do you see both men and women making with their skin early on that is hard to correct later?

So obviously you're in great shape. Thank you. What do you do for your skin? I have a whole thing that I do. Oh, routine. Really? I'm going to use this product now? He will, he will implement this night cream and this serum after this episode and he will do it

every single day. If you tell me what to do, like if I came to a dog, what do I do and you tell me, I will follow that. So you are more like, so we're having more and more men come to the office now, including athletes, celebrities, but also your everyday person going to work. And I think what happened for so long is, you know, we went to the gym. We had we counted macros. We look really good from neck down. And people just forgot about neck up. And I think now. And men also feel creepy about putting stuff on their face. I don't know why. Yeah. Well, I'll tell you, like when I first started doing this with Lauren, we've done it for a long time now. And I started to have a lot of doctors and skin experts come on the show and speak about the skin as a large organ and explain like, like, why would you take care of everything else?

It's your heart, correct. To me, it was like, oh, well, you would do that the same way you would eat well, the same way you would go to the gym. So now for me, I don't feel weird. But I can understand why maybe they feel feminine or they feel. Yeah, and I think things are shifting now. I think men are okay. I mean, you look, and that's one of the things about social media, people see themselves aging over time. So they're becoming more self-conscious.

But I think now our male page. are becoming a lot more active. I mean, it's a matter of time before more men are in the skincare space and doing different things. You know, I think with our women, our female patients, honestly, I think, and I say this very carefully, but most of the things you see online are not real, right? So, you know, you'll see a person that might be aspirational. They don't look like that in real life. And what we really try to reason with people is, you know, you can't look like your filter because that is literally not a real thing. And so we've tried to be a little bit more. And I think it's starting to shift now. I think the pendulum is swung where more natural.

is kind of coming back in. And in this, you know, I'm a doctor. I'm a dermatologist, but I'm a human first. And you want to make sure you can sympathize with a person and empathize where they're coming from and not push them towards a place. But that's why we want, we want skin care to be healthy for you. Yeah. Okay.

And not to do damage while it's making you look better. We want it to make you look better and do good things for your skin. Yeah. I mean, that's the whole idea. We look at longevity a little bit differently, right? So it's like even the ingredients we look at, there's some data around and how do you, you know, push off, quote, unquote, cell death, right? And we did epigenetic studies, advanced biomarkers to show that you can reverse skin age or at least slow it down,

the aging process. I think, again, as we look at health as a whole, you know, most times, again, people go to a doctor when they're sick, but why can't you go to a doctor to stay healthy? And I think with skin care, it's more how do you preserve how you look, how healthy your skin is, your collagen? And I think that evolution's happening in real time, which is really encouraging. Do you guys plan on blowing this up in the Martha Stewart way? Yes. Is there a whole thing that's being rolled out? Can you give us a little tease?

Well, we have other products in development right now. Okay. We will have a full line of skin care, not a hundred products in this particular line of Elm, but enough products so that all your, all your, you know, skin care is covered. Okay. And if someone wants to use the products tomorrow, how would you be? both recommend them using them. Well, you get it, you order online.

Okay. Or at your, how many dermatologist offices have them now? Many. Many. Okay. So you can get them from your dermatologist if they're part of our gang. Okay. And you start to use it on a clean face at night.

You must cleanse your face really well. And then I put on my serum first and now I put this all over on top of that. Only at night on that one. No, I, now people are telling me they're using. it all day too. And actually this morning, I washed my face. After my mask, I washed my face with a hot washcloth and then a cold washcloth. And then I applied the serum. And then I put some more of this on. And Daisy didn't notice because sometimes she thinks, what did you put on your face now? Daisy's my makeup artist. And she didn't say you have too much on your face. She never

says that anymore because that is not too much. And it lays under makeup nice. Oh, it does. That's a big one because you don't want it to pill. You know what I mean? Right. And then when I'm alone, it's this with my with my elastin mixed in. Okay. I got to try that medley. That seems like that's a hot medley. You'll have to get the very pale elastin. Okay. When you use this night cream, have you seen a significant difference in your skin? I've been using it now for different iterations of it because we were testing it and testing it. Absolutely.

The reason I ask is because it went viral. You saw that. It went viral on someone reviewed it naturally and everyone like, it blew up. No, it's meeting our expectations so far. So Martha is a tough, she's a tough critic when it comes to retinids. Retinoids are the holy grail. So everybody should be on a retinoid. It helps with texture, tone, pores, acne, scar, anything you want. But most people can't tolerate retinodes because it dries out your skin.

It causes irritation. Isn't the stuff that makes you red? Correct, yeah. And so what we did is we helped kind of engineer a new complex that's a fourth generation retinoid. And so I think the A30 in the name. Yeah, A30 RX. And so what happened with that, I think with that article is that this was somebody who

couldn't tolerate any retinoids. They couldn't get any of the benefits they wanted to. They had dry skin. They had eczema. And for the first time, their skin was more hydrated, but they still had the benefits of a retinoid. And that's where, like, you know, this is more of a biotech brand. Whereas, you know, I think with celebrity, people have a different expectation

of what comes out, we really want it to be with some. It's not a hit or miss. This is this is the hit. I don't think you do anything half-ass. No, we try. You don't strike me as someone that does anything off. I try not to. Yeah. Mika Brzynski from Morning Joe. Okay. You know Mika. Yes, I know. She had really big problems with her skin. Okay. And I sent her the serum. She, her skin looks so great now, doesn't it? Yeah. It's incredible. It's really, and she has spoken, been very outspoken about it. So it has worked tremendously well on her. We need a skincare book after the Martha way. Book 104. Out of quick curiosity, do you struggle with titles at this point? Or like just call it whatever you wanted after a hundred and so book titles? Like, how do you come up?

Oh, the titles or the books? Oh. Well, my autobiography is called Let Me Entertain you. That's a good name. My first book was entertaining. So now I'm going to really entertain you. I have to just say, though, so I think this is your first startup since original Martha Stewart living, right? Yes, serious, serious startup. When I say she's involved everything from the font to the packaging to every ounce of it. And it's actually... To the leaf, we had to make sure that the leaf, the Ellen leaf, was accurate botanically. Trust me, there's a little bit of pressure you feel on our side to make sure it's perfect.

But it's such a privilege to have. Yeah, but it's awesome because you get the detail, right? Exactly. Imagine you're writing, you're in the ingredients, you're looking at all the signs, but now you get the detail of the brand and the positioning. It's super, I mean, look, this is, I think Martha, again, is one of, she's paved the way for so many people, and it's a privilege to be able to work alongside her and really build something that, again, meets her expectations and exceeds it. Martha, I got one more kind of weird question for you that Lauren's going to get mad at me for.

What? Because you told me not to do it, but I'm going to do it. Oh, gosh. I told him not to do this. I was watching your Tori Birch interview. Oh, yes. And I feel like there was a part that got kind of like glazed over and moved past. started talking about how you think about extraterrestrial activity a lot.

And then the conversation just moved along. And I was curious about why and how and what you're thinking about specifically. Well, I'm not a crazy in any way. I just think that it's approaching. Extraterrestrial travel is approaching. And I actually went to Bikonor. Do you know where Bikonor is in Kazakhstan? I do now.

Oh, okay. Well, Bikinor is where the International Space Station, spaceships take off. Okay. And I did a program. You can watch them on YouTube. I went over there with an old boyfriend. He was going up to outer space.

And so I went to visit him on his takeoff, his initial venture out to the International Space Station. And they let me go up to the nose cone of the rocket ship and everything. And, you know, it's like going to happen. We're going, not just to the moon, but we're going elsewhere.

Well, you've been to the moon in your career. You've been to the moon. So do you think about it in the way where if it's become, like, you want to go or you just wonder what's going to happen? I'd like to go, but it depends. It depends. You know, the Internet Space Station is like going to Connecticut for me from New York City. It's 200 miles only. I mean, I want to go really now.

Yeah. I mean, you know, just going to the space station is nothing. You have a nice view. So you put a lot of thought of this. I thought it was interesting that they just moved kind of past it. I would have, if that was my interview, I would have done. No, no, I thought about it a lot. And it's a curious, fabulous thing.

I remember watching, you know, the first man walk on that moon. We were in the country, you know, with little kids running around. We were all glued to a television at the neighbor's house watching the moon landing, the lunar landing. And you were too young probably to see that. I was too young to see that. You were maybe not born yet. No. No.

But maybe I've been using your skincare and just look really, really, you know. But it was fascinating. So we've all thought about it. Told you long. Okay, you got your answer. Martha is going to teach me how to take a selfie wearing her skincare. I'm very excited. Where can everyone come say hi to you online?

Tell us where they can find you both. Okay, well, for our skin care, it's at Elm Bioccience. On Instagram. Yes. Okay, and you guys did give us a code. Dot com online. Okay. We'll link it all out and you give us a code.

Code skinny. You guys can. all shop. I personally am so excited to try the night cream because I do not have a good night cream right now. So I will be a huge fan and I like that it doesn't pile under makeup. That's a big one for me. Where can everyone say hi to you? If they have questions or they want to book you in New York City. My office is in Hudson Yards. Same with social media. We use social as a way of educating. So at Dr. Bonasali is my, usually my handle everywhere. But I think as dermatologists, our job is to educate. And so some of the questions you guys have, I think a lot of people have them. So hopefully we

can provide some sort of education for everyone. Oh, I'm very selfishly. The questions are for me. And if you want to see Martha with Eagles, writing her autobiography on her snow plow, with her perfect manicure and her glowing skin, where can we find you? At Martha Stewart 48 on Instagram.

Why the 48? That's the address. All the houses I've ever lived in are 48. Not just by accident. It has to do with extra-sur- The alien's real. I told you. Thank you both for coming on the show.

Go shop, you guys, go have fun and definitely pick up the night cream and the serum. I'm looking forward to the mask. Thank you for coming on the show. Thank you for having us.