The Bossticks - Mikhaila Peterson Fuller - The Lion Diet, Alternative Health, Education, & Life Lessons From Jordan Peterson

Episode Date: October 7, 2024

#761: Join us as we sit down with Mikhaila Peterson Fuller, the CEO of Peterson Academy and the host of The Mikhaila Peterson Podcast. Mikhaila shares her personal journey of healing from autoimmune & mood disorders, which led her to explore alternative health solutions & dietary changes, including the Lion Diet. In this episode, Mikhaila shares her insights of the importance of dietary changes, education reform, & the valuable life lessons she's learned from her father, Jordan Peterson. To connect with Mikhaila Peterson Fuller click HERE To connect with Lauryn Bosstick click HERE To connect with Michael Bosstick click HERE Read More on The Skinny Confidential HERE To Watch the Show click HERE For Detailed Show Notes visit TSCPODCAST.COM To Call the Him & Her Hotline call: 1-833-SKINNYS (754-6697) This episode is brought to you by The Skinny Confidential Head to the HIM & HER Show ShopMy page HERE to find all of Michael and Lauryn's favorite products mentioned on their latest episodes. Visit fullerhealth.com and use code SKINNY for 15% of your order. This episode is sponsored by ARMRA Go to tryarmra.com/SKINNY or enter SKINNY to get 30% off your first subscription order. This episode is sponsored by Hiya Health Receive 50% off your first order. To claim this deal you must go to hiyahealth.com/SKINNY. This episode is sponsored by Good Ranchers Use code SKINNY at GoodRanchers.com to get $25 off your first box, free express shipping, and a free add-on for four years! This episode is sponsored by Clarins Go to Clarins.com/SKINNY and get Double Serum for 10% off, a free 8-piece welcome gift, plus free shipping on your first order with promo code SKINNY. This episode is sponsored by Philadelphia Cream Cheese Visit creamcheese.com. This episode is sponsored by Squarespace Head to squarespace.com/SKINNY to save 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain using code SKINNY. Produced by Dear Media

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I mean, as soon as I was on that really limited, like dairy-free, egg-free paleo kind of diet, and my life turned around and I got off of all my medications. I mean, both my parents looked at me and they're like, oh, that's crazy. Because I was on, I mean, I was taking 40 milligrams of adderol and napping on it during the day. It was ridiculous. And so they looked at that and I was like,

Dad, he had the same severe depression I had and we'd always chalked it up to something familial because my grandpa had it, my great grandpa had it and we're like, it's this genetic depression that hits certain people in the family. But then when mine lifted and my life like opened up, I was like, dad, you need to get on this. What a long time coming.

Michaela Peterson Fuller is on the show. Little backstory, Michaela and I connected on Instagram, and we have had this really great fun friendship over text message and DM. We literally have been texting back and forth for the last two years, I want to say, about everything from beauty, wellness, health, meat, diet, all the things. and I was dying to do a podcast swap with her. She flew out to Austin with her husband, Jordan, and we got into it in this episode. We talk about healing her health, dealing with negativity, everything she's learned about just eating

meat. You guys have to hear this story. It's wild. And even a life-changing health hack. Michaela Peterson Fuller is the CEO of Peterson Academy and the host of the Michaela Peterson podcast. She also has an extremely popular TED talk that you guys should go. listen to after this episode. On that note, Michaela, welcome to the show. This is the skinny

confidential, him and her. I have attacked you to come on the show for two years, I think. About that, yeah. I first found out about you because I was searching Robert Green podcast. Oh, yeah. That was a good one. But here's why I was attracted to you initially. I don't know if I've told you this. You were one of the only people that I've seen interview Robert Green that challenged him a little bit besides your dad, which I got genetics, maybe. You challenged him and it was really interesting to hear him because most people just sort of agree. Yeah, yeah, fair enough. Yeah, you like, we're asking him questions that were like just different than what he's normally asked. And so I'm like, who is this girl? And I come to do this whole deep dive on you. Anyway, here we are. That's so nice.

That was a really, I like him. Like, I do like him. He's smart. Yeah. It's very smart. Okay. So I feel like with you, we have to get the foundation of the way you grew up because I've heard you say on podcast.

You would be, and maybe I'm flubbing this, you'd be in the living room listening to your dad like play piano. Is that true? Oh, yeah, when I was little. So, no, that was like, so I was born in Montreal and grew up a little bit in Boston when dad went to Harvard or taught at Harvard. And, yeah. at night, I remember him playing piano. He's very good at piano. So what is your childhood like with

having these two parents that are so smart? What was it like? Let's see. Well, I didn't realize. Was it like psychological warfare the whole time? A little bit, a little bit. Like whenever we had a disagreement in the family, whether that was my brother or me or one of our parents, we'd have to sit at the kitchen table and then sort it out until we were done. So it wasn't like let, there was no resentment allowed in the house, right? So you can have an argument like, like sit on it or even sleep on it. It was like, we're starting this out right now. So we had a lot of kitchen table arguments that, so that was a lot. Just one brother. Yeah, one younger brother. Yeah. So that was interesting. I think growing up, like learning the psychological significance

of the Bible and all these mythological stories from around the world, I kind of just thought that's what everybody else learned. Like, you don't really know that your family's different than any other family. I think I didn't really figure it out until I was about 23. It took a while. Then I started to go to other people's houses and I was like, these houses are all, you know, white. We had 32 different colors in our house. It was like a, oh my gosh, it was a lot to walk into. We had like 150 paintings.

And in like a 700 square foot semi-detached house in Toronto. Was it organized or was it just kind of like chaotically everywhere? It was like organized chaos. Yeah. So it was organized. So it was organized. So it wasn't like a hoarder status.

No. But there was a lot of stuff and a lot of, and a lot of art, but it wasn't hoarder status. Okay. You're learning about the Bible? What do you mean? So at like, well, Christmas or just, I just remember sitting in the living room and talking, dad talking through mostly the Old Testament and how important those stories were from a psychological

perspective. So like Job was a big one. We went through Genesis. And I think I was only between the ages of like eight and ten when we talked about all that stuff. So he treated us like adults from the time we were little kids. So it was interesting. It was interesting. I came home from university one time, and they had kind of changed my room a bit.

They didn't change Julian's room, but they were like, now that we have more space because the house was really small, they changed my room. And they had put paintings of Lenin against the wall, like where my bed was. And I woke up in the middle of the night, and a painting of Lenin had fallen over on me. Because dad, like, once the Soviet Union's walls kind of came down, there was a whole bunch of art. A lot of it was propaganda art that was stuck behind there and people there were able to sell it mostly on eBay. So he was like, this is insane and bought hundreds and hundreds of really amazing kind of propaganda paintings on eBay and then filled our entire house with it. You know who I also heard

did that was Arnold Schwarzenegger. He like got the busts, the like the statues. Yeah, we had some busts. We had a Lenin bust. So you didn't realize until you're 23 years old that the way that you grew up was so unique. Oh yeah. Not at all. And all my dad's friends, too, were other university professors. So if there were ever dinner parties or something, then everyone who came over was kind of intellectual and interesting in a similar way. So I didn't even, I didn't know any business people. Like, I only started meeting business people recently.

I really only knew university professors that my dad was friends with. Is that intimidating to be eight to 10 years old and having these conversations with these people who are so smart and such intellectuals? I mean, it's a lot. I don't think it felt like a lot because I didn't know any different. I think what we learned at the dinner table was I think what was helpful was I learned to listen well

and not interrupt because then you look like a moron. So not interrupt. And to figure out when you can speak in conversation because the conversations were really rapid at the dinner table. So that was helpful. One time when you did interrupt, if you ever did, what happened? He'd just talk over. It wasn't like you can't do that.

it was just like you had to be very specific about when you were going to like sneak into conversation or you just wouldn't get a word in. What do you think your parents did right when it comes to raising you? Because they've obviously raised someone who had, I mean, and we're going to get into your your whole thing. You have a very specific point of view. And I'm interested in that because I have a daughter. They did a lot of things right.

I think there, like there were a number of things. My dad always treated me as if I could do more. So there's downsides to that. and upsides, but, you know, it was good job if you get A's, but like, they could have been A pluses type of thing. And it, but it was a good job. So, like, we go out for dinner if I could get all A's and things. But there was always a little bit of underlying expectation that you can achieve more. And that's like, it's hard, but I think overall it was incredibly beneficial. So that was good. And then I was really, really sick as a kid. And my dad, and this was mostly my dad told me,

you can never use this as an excuse. Even though it's a real excuse, like you're sick and you're having a hard time, if you use it as an excuse, it's just going to destroy your entire life. And I don't know how much of a role that played in me trying to figure out my health and get out of it. But those were extremely beneficial lessons.

Well, I imagine you didn't look at it as a handicap then, right? Not really. I was annoyed by it. And I didn't, I guess, internalize it like, this is me, which I think a lot of chronically ill people do. is like this is part of my identity and this was always like, this is a handicap I have to deal with and maybe I can get rid of it. You know, when I was in my young 20s, I was like, maybe I actually

don't have to just be dealt that hand and live with it for the rest of my life. There's downsides to that particular perspective when it comes to parenting. I think I know a lot of other really high achieving people that didn't get a ton of positive feedback as a kid. So it's like trying to find the balance because I have kids too, right? And you're trying to find the balance of like good job and making them feel good about themselves, but also showing them that they're capable of achieving so much. So I'm actually happy with how I was raised. I think I got pushed.

I like I don't know how much that has to do with how successful I am now. Maybe if I wasn't pushed so hard, I wouldn't be where I'm at now. I relate to it because I probably had a very, I had a similar upbringing where it was like, there's always more to do. Yeah. So his mother's a half job. Not a lot of praise. Yeah.

Yeah. But then I've been trying, like, I never didn't feel loved. I know, me too. And I've been trying to figure out, that's probably the best thing you can do, right? Because you talk to other people and they're like, oh, no, I was told that, like, I was enough for my whole life. And maybe they're not as successful. And it's like, maybe that's a good drive to have. We had a conversation literally yesterday and we were walking our daughter out of school.

And I said, you know, there's this, what is it called, gentle parenting? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I think that I don't know about that term. I just was telling her, I said, you know, the problem with all of this and making people feel good all the time and making people feel safe all the time is that you get into the real world and you're not going to feel good all the time and the world's a dangerous place and there's real competition and there's people that don't care about your feelings that are going to do whatever it takes. And I said our job as parents are to usher in capable adults that are able to deal with that reality. And I think I'm not passing judgment, but I just if you if you look at some people that have gone the other. their way and then their kids grow up and they are completely flabbergasted when they get into the real world. Like, oh, my God, I can't believe this is real. Like, why isn't everything fair and why isn't everything safe? Yeah. I think then as a parent, you have to look yourself in the mirror and say,

maybe I could have done that differently. Because I view my job for both my daughter and son to, like, usher them into adulthood so that there's the least amount of surprise when they get there. Does that make sense? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And life can get really bad. Like, it's good not to be naive. I like when I used to be when I was when I was a kid I used to get in trouble and we'd get in these fights and it's totally stupid but I always was amazed and shocked when somebody would be in that situation and they would get hit in the mouth and they would be so surprised that that was the outcome that happened and I'll say well you know you put yourself in you're not allowed to do that there are no rules I can't believe like there's this utter shock that like somebody

did that to them and I'm like this is what reality looks like yeah yeah yeah I got I got taught, this is funny too. I got taught when I was little. So apparently my parents had friends over and my dad told me, you know, when you enter kindergarten, go up to the biggest kid there and punch them. And that'll show the class who's dominant there. It was a joke, right? And the parents that came over were not impressed. But I remember in grade two, somebody was bullying me. And it was a kid that like obviously came from a rough family and wasn't having a good time. It was this girl and she shoved me against a wall and I kicked her. Like that was just the response.

It wasn't like cry because I got shoved against the wall. It was like shove, kick, like hard. And then she kind of, that was it. There was no more bullying. She was just kind of like, yeah, okay, respect you. So there is something to being taught to act that way for sure. Yeah, I mean, I have a theory that the reason so many people bully so many more people online and talk so much is because we've gotten to this place where people don't have those interactions anymore.

It's like you're just taught to accept bad things and you're you're taught to not stand up yourself because you don't want to get in trouble, whatever. And I think what I learned just as a young age and maybe others did too is like bullying creates other bullies because that insecurity not ever being able to stand up yourself, you'd then go and do it to another person where if you stand up to someone, it kind of like stops the cycle right there and the tracks. Yeah. Yeah.

What was your mom like? My mom, so when my friends used to come over, they'd be scared of my dad because he's loud. and then after they came over a number of times, they'd be scared of my mom. She's the actual scary person in the family, or she was. So she was pretty, very open, very artistic. Like, she does art. She was a massage therapist.

She's smart. So she had a lot of health problems, too. Like, my whole family had a lot of health problems which really kind of darkened the time I spent at home, which we've sorted out now, thank goodness. But she was, I don't know. She was scary. She was definitely stricter.

Like if I wanted to go do something that I shouldn't have been doing, I would go to my dad. Oh. Yeah. When you look back now with where you are and you have mentioned your health problems, I've watched your TED talk, your mom had health problems. Do you think that there was like a mold situation in your house? Like why do you guys? Looking back, what do you like deduct all this stuff? What was the actual?

Yeah. Explain that journey of your life. It's intense. Oh, so it's hard. I think there were probably a number. of factors that were contributing to it. But we did buy this house from 1910 that was destroyed. Like it hadn't been touched since 1910. And my parents bought it and redid the entire interior. But the person who did the basement, which is where I grew up, left a cap off behind a wall

on a pipe and the entire basement filled with black mold behind the drywall. And when they find, it took like 10 years to figure out. So that's my entire child. because it was hard to tell in like a damp basement in Toronto. And then when they figured it out, they brought people in that just, you know, put fans up and blew the spores everywhere, which isn't what you're supposed to do when you remediate.

And so I think, I mean, that couldn't have helped, but by the time I moved there, I was already sick. So I think these were just like multiple factors. It could have been mold. It could have been like a C-section,

maybe some virus. I still have bacteria. I don't know. What were the symptoms when you were a kid? When I was two, I started to, like as soon as I started to walk, I was limping. And so I had juvenile rheumatoid arthritis, like, from the age I was walking. I didn't get diagnosed until I was seven. And at that point, it was in, I can't remember if it was 32 or 37 joints.

It was in almost all my joints, except for my spine. Like, it was in my jaw, all my fingers. And so that was the first thing that hit. And then in grade four, I got extremely depressed enough to be, I was medicated. in grade five with antidepressants. And I was having like suicidal thoughts and nightmares and like OCD. So it was like arthritis, then severe depression. And then in my teenage years, I got chronic fatigue really badly. So like I would skip class and go sleep in the library. I had this like little like dug out of books where I would go sleep. Like really tired. Just falling

asleep in class. The professors were like, why aren't you paying attention? It was like, I'm passing out. I don't know why. So that was throughout my teenage. years and then I had my hip and ankle replaced when I was 17 from the arthritis, even though I was being medicated with immune suppressants and like endbril and methotrexate like serious hardcore medications still had my ankle and hip replaced. And it wasn't until I was 23 and I think I think I just like grew up a bit was like I'm like this is not doable like this way of living is not doable for me. It was very frustrating like the brain fog not being able to remember things from class. Like I had like 400 cue cards just to try to remember facts from biology and things, like things that you should

be able to pick up faster. And I was like, I've got to delve into this in an alternative way and just try to get to the bottom of it because obviously what I've been doing since I was seven isn't working. So what are the first steps that you take? Because you had to drastically change your life. And did nobody in your family know what was going on? Or they like knew, but they just didn't know what to do. I mean, everybody knew how sick I was, but it was just like, wow, this is sad. Like, it wasn't really like we can do anything. What to do about it. Yeah.

And every time we went to a doctor, it was like, like when I got diagnosed when I was seven, they said she has juvenile rheumatoid arthritis. It's in 32 or 37 joints. And it results in multiple joint replacements in an early death. And there's nothing you can do about it. Like, that's the whole doctor's appointment. And there are some promising medications, some new biologics that like might work. But you're repeatedly told there's nothing you can do about it.

So which is like, which I hate in the medical system is like, yeah, you're diagnosed with X and there's nothing you can do about it. It's like don't even try, which isn't a favor to people. Sure. So we weren't, like my mom was always dragging me to natural past and things, but she went like, she's open. So I went to, I mean, at one point I went to a massage therapist that, I hate this. I think I was in grade four. And she was massaging me and she was like, there's like ancient, there's ancient trauma in here. And she ended up throwing up in a garbage can and being like, there's a lot of ancient trauma.

And I was think I was in grade four. And I was like, mom, I don't want to do that. No, it was grade three. It was like, I don't want to do that kind of thing. She would take you to these types of people. It was everything. It was like a natural path, people who did muscle testing. Like I was hooked up to electrodes.

Yeah. This is going to be Lauren with our kids. Oh, man. It was like. And so the problem with that was because they, a lot of those alternative people were onto something, but it wasn't enough. And so what I saw is my mom going into these. appointments being hopeful, buying a whole bunch of supplements, none of them doing anything. And I was

like, yeah, they're all quacks and they take advantage of sick people. So when I started to look into like alternative ways to get healthy, I had to unbrainwash myself from thinking that everything alternative was quacky. It was like, it was transformative anyway. It was needed. When you look back at the whole journey of your health, what are like the little epiphanies that you think have made a big difference overall. Like, I'm assuming diet was one of the first things you changed or no? Oh, yeah. Diet was first, luckily. Like, I went back to university. I dropped out of classics in psychology because I was too tired to go to my final exams. Like, I couldn't get out of bed and I was like, okay, maybe my parents wanted to keep me close to home because of all my doctors. And I was like, I'm not staying in Toronto.

I'm going to Montreal for university. And then I went to Montreal and like died. So I came back home, I eventually went into biomedical sciences because I thought I'd need to pursue immunology or something to learn why I was sick. And I came across a bunch of research showing that gluten can be a huge problem for people with autoimmune disorders. So I kind of went the science route and then found all this association with like gluten and leaky gut and was like, maybe gluten cutting out gluten will cure me. And I cut that out and it made like 10% of a difference, but it was enough of a difference that I was like, maybe there's something here. And I eventually kind of came up with an elimination diet.

I was like, just to rule out if diet's the cause, like what are people allergic to? So I cut out like eggs, dairy, processed foods, grains, soy, nuts. Like anything you would think is a sane person, what are people allergic to? So I was eating meat and certain vegetables and certain fruit. And my symptoms turned around in like a month. And so what did you know,

what were like the first things you noticed? Like more energy, clarity. No, I noticed. So I'd been going to the gym. I was on so much Adderall at that point. It was like, oh, yikes. Oh, yikes. Yeah. It was, I'd come up with this cocktail of medication enough to keep myself awake and functioning. Oh, and chronically ill. You would use the Adderall. Coming off that much Adderall is dangerous too. I'm sure you know. Oh, yeah. I figured that all out later after. Trial by error. But it was like a pretty good cocktail at the time for not having any other solution. So the first thing I noticed is I was bloated, which I had been chronically bloated, so I didn't even know it was bloat. And that went away in a month. So I lost three pants sizes and five pounds, which didn't really line up to like the size, the size going down. So it was just like my stomach. I'd been going in the gym trying to get abs. And I was like, I can't, why can't I get abs? And then I changed my diet and it was like sudden abs. Whoa, that's awesome. So, oh, and the funny thing is I didn't even, I didn't even, I

started looking long term into how to get healthy for the arthritis. But the thing that really drove me crazy is I had this rash and it was starting to show up on my face and my shoulders. And I was like, I cannot, my life is already bad enough with like chronic fatigue, severe depression and my joints eating themselves. And now I have a visible rash. So now people can see that I'm sick. And I was like, okay. And that's actually what led me to gluten and the celiac rash found out I have celiac disease. So that was huge. So it was like vanity, I think, that really pushed me over the edge. Once people could see that I was sick, I was like, I can't have this. So when does the lion diet come in? Is this way later? Two years later. So I started cutting things out and I pretty much got myself into

remission and off all the medications in like four months doing a really, really limited almost autoimmune paleo diet. I didn't know what any of those diets were at the time because this was 2015. and then when I stopped taking my antidepressants, I went into extremely severe psych med withdrawal, which I didn't know at the time because I didn't know taking antidepressants long term and then suddenly stopping causes withdrawal and neither did any of my doctors.

What's the symptoms? It's almost like your original depression comes back, but everything is way worse. So psych med withdrawal is, it's misdiagnosed all the time is a reoccurrence of original symptoms when it's actually withdrawal. So I had like sensitivity. Like there's no way I would be in here with the lights.

Sensitivity to light. I could only wear certain fabrics because fabrics were bothering me. I could only listen to certain songs because the songs hurt my ears. So I'd be listening to a song, be like, no, it's hurting my ears. Like sound like that in a pop song shouldn't hurt your ears. So it was like sensitivity to all these things. I thought it was because it took me, it took me literally two years to recognize that was psych med withdrawal.

because I thought I had cut so many things out of my diet that I'd just hypersensitize my system or something, which wasn't even remotely accurate. So it was two years later when I ended up only eating meat. And that was after psych med withdrawal, kind of in the midst of it and after having a baby. And after that, my immune system just was kind of going haywire, even on the original kind of autoimmune paleo diet that helped me. If there's a parent who's listening that wants to put their kids on Adderall or has put their kids on Adderall, what is your experience and is there anything that you would caution?

I mean, Adderall is like meth. So, I mean, they have a fancy name for it, but it's basically meth. Yeah, we had a buddy that was taking it and he went for a summer construction job and they

make him drug tests and he tested positive for meth and like, we can't hire you because you're on meth. It was Adderall. Yeah, I know. They're just like fancy up the name. So no, probably kids shouldn't be taking that.

Like look into diet, at least cut out all the processed foods and maybe all the ingredients that are already banned in Europe. like in America, it's hard to be healthy. You guys do a good job. Is it similar in Canada? It's not as bad in Canada, but it's pretty similar. It's not like it is in Europe.

Why do you think it's so controversial to say cut out, if I say cut out Adderall and you say cut out processed foods and it's more controversial to say cut out processed food? Why is that controversial to say? Like, it's actually, it's less controversial to talk about Adderall than it is about cutting out processed food. Yeah, I agree. Like, I don't understand that. I think, so, like, my experience being chronically ill, I had people come up to me and be like, you should exercise more or you should eat healthy.

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Well, you said, like, we do a good job. So I think the way we think about it is like if I just met you on the street and you said, hey, Michael, how do you live? And I said, well, I try to not have chemical ingredients and I try to eat clean and check the label and make sure there's not things in there that are bad for you ingredients that are not, you know, that are man-made ingredients. And I try to get good cleaning supplies and try to exercise every day and do this. Like it doesn't sound like crazy, right? It sounds like, oh, that makes sense. Yeah. But I think when someone's not living that way and they're doing all these things, it sounds,

it sounds like I have to take everything that I'm doing and enjoying out of my life. and then it becomes a personal attack on them. But I don't know, like we have older parents that they're listening, sorry. And like we'll sit with them and say like, hey, maybe like no more diet soda or like maybe change the windex for a branch basics or maybe like, I don't know, whatever the things that we, you know, get better water without plastic. And they kind of look at you like you're insane. I'm living.

I'm fine. Yeah. And also like, I don't think people understand what type of difference it can make. Like especially people have been stuck with anxiety. or depression for their entire life, they think that that's just what life is like. So you have to tell them that's not like, these are their problems.

You've been stuck in it for so long. You don't know how much better things could be when you eliminate these products or foods. So part of it, like, and I think part of the reason maybe the lion diet and talking about this has resonated with people is because I've said, I was, like, I didn't believe any of this stuff.

And like, this is kind of how I got to that. And I've described like, this is what depression feels like. And a lot of people are like, oh, that's just what I think life is like. It's like, yeah, it doesn't have to be like that. Like, you don't have to be scared when you walk down the street for no reason. Yeah, the sad thing, though, is like sometimes it takes someone in your position who was sick and had these symptoms and then healed from them.

Yeah. We're like, say that it's like, let's just say you and I are delivering the same exact message. Some people are turned off by the messenger if they haven't had a similar experience to them. Oh, and I totally get that too. I'd probably be one of those people that was like, I think I felt that way to healthy people too, just being like, you're lucky, right? Which isn't like, that's not how healthy people operate. They're all doing something to be healthy.

They're not just lucky, right? It's like a rich person telling a poor person how to become rich. And it's like easy for you to say you're rich. Yeah. Right? It's like much easier to say privilege you were born with it. Like you got lucky as opposed to saying like, oh, maybe there's something there in the message. Yeah.

I think I heard you or your dad on Roeuxel. I don't remember who it was that said that you inspired your dad to do the same diet as you. Is that because he was struggling his own struggle and you stepped in and said, hey, this is the way to eat? Or was it like a slow situation? Oh, no. It was, I mean, as soon as I was on that really limited, like dairy-free, egg-free paleo kind of diet and my life turned around and I got off of all my medications, I mean, both my parents looked at me and they're like, oh, that's crazy. I was on, I mean, I was taking 40 milligrams of outerol and napping on it

during the day, which is like, you have to be tired to be able to do that. And I stopped taking all the medication and I was, I think I was on eight or something. It was ridiculous. And so they looked at that and I was like, dad, he had the same severe depression I had and we'd always chalked it up to something familial

because my grandpa had it, my great grandpa had it and we're like, it's this genetic depression that hits certain people in the family. But then when mine lifted and my life like, oh, opened up, I was like, dad, you need to get on this. And that was enough of a change for him to like, okay, I'll try. It didn't take much pushing there. Getting him to only eat meat took two years of phone calls. So explain this diet to me, because I've seen you talk about it and

Laurence told me about it. When you say only meat, it means only meat. Like what are you ordering tonight at the steakhouse? Probably depends on what type of steak they have, but usually New York strip and maybe a filet. And if they have Wagyu versions of those, then those. Are you like, I don't want salt, I don't want pepper. Yeah. So, like, tell me, I'm not, waiter. What do you want?

Okay, yeah, okay. So I'll say, I'll get a, like, medium or medium rare, extra char. Nothing on the steak. No sides, no garnish, no oil, no butter, no pepper. Like, absolutely nothing. Meat on a burner on a plate. And like we have to be very specific because they'll be like, okay, but you want the garnish and stuff. So like nothing on it. And then we'll ask what type of salt they use. A lot of nice steakhouses use salt with anti-kaking agent in it, which doesn't make me feel good.

So if they're using sea salt or kosher salt or Himalayan salt, we'll be like, okay, you can salt the steak. Otherwise, I want a side of salt and then I'll salt it myself. That's a good question to ask though. What salts are you using? I don't think that's a crazy. Will you eat fish or chicken or anything like that or just pure red? It's like it's all red meat. More recently I've been like, can I do, I can do like small amounts of wild fish? Okay. So I can do like macarole, sardines, wild salmon.

I can't do farm salmon. I'm so allergic to soy that I'm allergic to farm salmon, which is almost always fed soy. Even though like there's this type of farm salmon and sometimes restaurants will tell you it's wild and all the fish are in the ocean with the big net and they're like, yeah, it's kind of wild, but they're still fed soy. and they taste really good, but I can't do it. Can you have a margarita? I can have vodka. Huh. I know.

So this is what... So I had, I used to... No tequila? I took a silver tequila. I can't do gin. I'll explain why. So like when I first went to all meat and was trying to get my health under control, I didn't drink for about two years.

And I started drinking again and was like, thank the good Lord. I can tolerate hard liquor. without having autoimmune problems. So it's like one vice, thank goodness. And then I went out and I had gin and the gin had almond extract in it. And I'm really allergic to nuts. And I was sick for like two weeks.

It's like the botanicals that they put it off. Yeah. So I don't do gin now because of the botanicals. I'll do vodka. Like pretty much any vodka, silver tequila. I hate tequila though. But I'll do silver tequila. And it's just vodka and water.

Do you hate tequila because you had a bad experience with tequila or you just don't? I don't like the taste of tequila, especially just drinking tequila without the line. Yeah, because you can't do any mix, right? No. Okay, so it's not like you're having a skinny margarita. You're just having tequila. Yeah.

Tequila or vodka. It has become much bigger in other parts of the world. But in Canada and in Europe for the longest time, they had shit tequila. It was like Jose Cuervo and bad. So now they carry a lot of stuff because tequila has become popular. We grew up in San Diego, so there was always tequila around. I think if you get a good tequila, like a really high quality one. No, she doesn't like the taste.

She likes the vodka soda. You're like, how can you? you not like the taste. Can you have a fucking lime and the tequila? No. You can't even have a lime. No. Yeah, but a good tequila doesn't need the lime. Yeah, yeah. It's hard. It's hard. I will say to everyone who's listening, the way you look to me in person is so healthy and like really vivacious. So whatever you're doing is working. Well, let's let's talk about the diets because I think this is so shocking to a lot of people. But to me, there's a lot of cultures and people that evolved that didn't, that use primarily meat, right?

Like, this is not a novel thing. No. I mean, it was novel to me. Sure, I'm sure. I was like, I was a little bit nervous too. And the original plan, I was at, I was eating meat and salad at that point. And I was breastfeeding. And I was like, I need the salad because like, that's the only place I'm getting vitamins from. I think salads are overrated big time.

I love salads so much. Like, I wouldn't, oh, I love salad. I miss salad. You know the problem with salads? It's a lot of crunching and a lot of stuff going on. I like the crunch. It takes a long time. I don't care about the crunch.

Cucumbers? Cucumbers are good. If I could eat one thing, it would be a cucumber. Cucumbers are good. But so you're breastfeeding and you're eating salad and meat. And then my arthritis was coming back. And so I was like, you wake up in the middle night to breastfeed and I was like pushing myself up on the bed and my wrist would like buckle or something like that. And I was just like, this is not okay. Like I'm off of all my medication. I've been off of it at that point for two years. And then it just started sneaking back in. And I was. like I'm not going back on medication for sure. It's got to be diet. Like what in my diet could be causing it. I don't know why I stopped being able to tolerate those things. If it was having a baby or moving into a moldy house because I moved into another moldy house. I don't know what happened. But I was like, I'll just cut out salad and just do all meat for like a month or as long as it takes to get my health in order. And then I'll start reincorporating foods in again. And I was just never able to reincorporate foods in without triggering the autoimmunity. So I just like stayed on it.

Do you know your ethnicity? Have you ever done like an ancestry or 23 and me? Like do you know? Yeah. When I was trying to figure out what was wrong with my family, I had everybody in my family do 23 and me. And then I chucked all the raw data. You can get on 23 me into a whole bunch of like third party apps to see if there were some genetic abnormalities leading to the autoimmunity. We couldn't find anything other than celiac disease. The reason, well, that's helpful. But the reason I'm also asking is just I'm wondering your genetic makeup and if and if those genes do better with a meat-based diet or not. It's like, it's hard to say. It's basically UK, it's a lot of UK, German, Irish, Scottish, Norwegian, a little bit of Polish. That's basically it. What's your blood type? A, B, positive.

I always thought you were going to say, oh. No, it's not. People ask me that all the time. No, you're like, oh, no. So when COVID hit, and if you get sick from COVID, do you get sicker than? the normal because of all your autoimmune or no? So I was worried because I used to get bronchitis all the time. I was on immune suppressants.

So whenever I got a cold, it'd be bronchitis and then it'd be pneumonia and then I'd be in the hospital. It was a disaster. And so when COVID hit, I was like, this could be bad for me. But I didn't get that sick when I caught it. And I caught it fast. I caught it in like June 2020. And no, it was like I got a cough and things. And it lasted, you know, three.

Like it was a bad cold, but I didn't get sicker. have you noticed because I have all the beauty benefits of meat? I mean, my hair has never been longer. My eyebrows won't stop. I mean, I've noticed so many beauty benefits of eating a lot of meat. I mean, 100%. My skin was a mess. Like, most of my issues, I think, it was my skin that really tortured me.

And so it helped there. I mean, it helped with overall, like, fat distribution on my body. Like, I lost a bunch of weight. I didn't lose a ton because I was kind of, I was like, I'm like, I'm like a little bit obsessive. And so I kind of got it under control before I diet, I was dieting by doing like rice, broccoli chicken and being like, got to lose it.

But I look way better eating meat. For sure, there are beauty, benefit benefits. How do you think about feeding your kids? Is there like a certain thing that you do with meat with them? Yeah. So I do, there's a diet called the Gaps diet,

which is generally for, well, it's recommended across the board, but it's for sick people. And I had Natasha Campbell-McBride, I hope that's her name on my podcast who came up with the Gaps diet so for my kids I've done

like initial food meat like fatty meat because it's like similar to breast milk really easy to transition into people were doing iron fortified cereals for a really long time before they realized you could just have meat and then you don't have to have iron fortified anything

What kind of cereal is that? This was like the recommendation in the 90s You also don't need 100 vitamins when you eat meat Right? Yeah yeah so we started with meat And then just like really slowly with like apple, sweet potatoes, carrots, like one at a time and just monitor for reactions until it's more varied. Yeah. My seven-year-old, she's got some stomach problems.

And I don't know if that's because when she was born, we were in this moldy house. And then we moved to Miami. We were in a moldy house. So much mold. I've had most of the places I've lived in, the ceiling has leaked. Is that why you went to Arizona now that I'm thinking? Yes. Because they used to live in Arizona.

Yes. We were in Miami. we got super sick. I got super, even on the diet, I just kind of devolved and I was like, no, I have a diet that's like, that's fixed me. Miami, Austin too, Lauren, you got to be careful on mold in Austin. I don't want to scare you. Oh, this is why I'm in Scottsdale. I'm going to the desert. I don't want to deal with mold again. He used to live in Tucson, not quite Scottsdale, but similar climate. Isn't there ways to find out if the house has mold before you move in? So like the best way is actually drilling little holes behind the drywall and then swabbing,

which you can't do before you move in. So what luckily we have money. So it'd be like, buy a new build. Then you know that there's not like 10 years of mold somewhere. Buy a new build. And then check the age facts. Check the back of the toilets. This is sneaky for buying property.

You can just look in the toilet tank. And if the water has mold in it, it's because the air that's getting sucked in has mold in it. it's not the water, it's the air. So there's like little things. You can look around the windows. You can smell it. You can look for paint cracks. Like you can find a less moldy house and then you can get somebody in to check it once you buy it.

I want to set you up with the guy who, and I don't know if I've messaged you this before that does test my home. Do you know, you know, I like test my home a lot. I've been using Michael Rubino. I don't know him. Similar he comes into your house and just looks at everything. Yeah, they do. I do we inspect. It's like.

test my home, but as we inspect, they drill, it's really annoying. They drill a whole bunch of holes and look behind all your walls and find like the speck of mold. But they're good. So we inspect and then Michael Rubino will come in with his company and fix it. I've noticed that the biggest difference to air quality isn't the like micro amounts of mold that are around. It's the state of your HVX. Yeah. Yeah. So we just replace the HVX and then. You could get those lights now too, like the UV lights that go in there when they're blown HVAC and it kills a bunch of stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. are great. At what point in your career did you know that you sort of had star quality? Because obviously, you know, your parents are very well known. I don't know if it's something you always knew

since you were little. When did you start to realize like you could really create a platform? Honestly, maybe this year. I'm not even joking. What about during your TED talk? This year? Yeah. That's what? This year of like, oh, okay, things could be good. I don't know why it took, like, I don't know why it took me. You know what happened? You know what happened? You. You know actually what happened. I'll tell. So I lived with one of my dad's grad students when I was 21 and like a bunch of other people. And I was like, I want to do a personality test and an IQ test.

And this was when I was 22, I was on like eight medications in Adderall and I could like, couldn't function. And he gave me an IQ test. And from what I remember, he's now working with Peterson Academy, this guy, Victor. But from what I remember is he came to me and he wouldn't tell me my results. and he said sometimes people who are really neurotic score poorly. That's the conversation I remember. So for the next 10 years, I was like, whatever my IQ is. And this matters to me because of who my dad is.

Whatever my IQ is is so low that my roommate wouldn't even tell me my IQ. So then we launch, I like hire him. He's running kind of the development team for the platform. And we finally launched. It was horribly stressful. He comes over. He's like, we should do shots, which I never do. So we do shots.

And he's like, oh, yeah, you score. 135. I told you that. And I was like, I've been operating as if I scored, I don't know, something low enough that I had to really prove myself for 10 years, Victor. Like, you never told me that. And that was when I was on a whole bunch of medication. Hold on. I really think that got to me psychologically. This is going to show my IQ. I don't even know what the fucking score means. What the fuck is 135 mean? I don't know what that means. 100 is average. And then it kind of skews in a bell curve on the other side. What's the top?

Oh, I mean, there's like really, really smart people. 155 is really, really, really ridiculous. So 135 is very high. I think 133 is Mensa. You can get into Mensa with 133. Damn. So you're like, your idea. So, like, I'm fine.

So this year, probably because we finally launched a company, I don't know what, I've got such stupid expectations for my, myself that I was like, I don't know. But you know what the worst thing is? And I tell this to Lauren all the time. Sometimes really, really smart people that know they're smart, forget that there's other smart people. And what I mean by this is like they know they're so smart and such high achievers that

sometimes they'll be dealing with another smart counterpart. That's maybe not as smart as them, but they're not stupid people. And they will treat the person as if they're not smart. And because of that, I've seen a lot of really smart people do terrible in business. Because they get cocky. they get cocky and they forget. But everyone's fine. So I think it's not a bad thing to like kind of.

Completely agree. I like I had a conversation with dad yesterday and he was like, are you going to now that, you know, you have money and a bunch of successful things, are you going to, how are you going to stay humble about it? I was like,

my aspirations are so stupidly high that until I get to there and I don't even know if it's achievable, then I'm just going to be like, it's not good enough. That's exactly. I totally understand. I say like, I feel like I haven't even nicked my potential

and what I need to do. And it's like you have to be insatiable. It keeps you pushing forward though. You know what though? Watch, you'll come back in three or four years and you'll be much further and you'll be saying the same exact thing

because what happens is you'll just keep pushing the bar. Which is totally, I mean, like is there a better alternative than that? I don't think so. You're going to get there and then not do anything with you. You're like, I've reached peak capacity. I'm going to sit on a beach now. I don't want that.

The high achievers are like one thing to call me with the people that come on the show like the high achievers, I think what makes them high achievers is that they're, they're more obsessed with like the process and pushing the bar further and seeing how much further they can take it as opposed to like, I want to do this and once I get here, I'm done. Yeah. Like I've never really, we've never actually had someone on the show that's like, I did the thing and now I'm finished.

Like most of the people that come on that are doing impressive things, they just keep pushing the boundary further. Yeah. As soon as you achieve it, you're like, okay, what's next? How do you think about your time? Like, what is your time spent on? How does your calendar look? Are you really brutal for two weeks out of the months and the other two weeks, you're chill?

Like, how do you think about that? I haven't had a vacation where I didn't do work since I started working for my dad in, like, January, 2018. I haven't had a day where I didn't do something. So usually I work from home, which is amazing. So I see kids all the time, which is great. But I would say I'm pretty much on for 10 to 20. 12 hours of the day. Like George, so my nine-month-old, is at the point where he can, like, crawl around, chew on cords and things. But we can be working there and keep an eye on him.

But it's pretty much work all the time. And I don't really like it any different. I was like, do I need a work-life balance more? But then I end up going to do something and, you know, we'll go out for dinner. So there's usually, like, work from maybe eight until six or something, and then there'll be a little break for dinner. And then after like 8.30 to 10.30 or 11, recently it's been like up until 12 or 1 because they're trying to launch the company. Then it's more work. So there's no work-life balance.

But I'm totally fine with that. How do you and your father get together and decide to launch this academy and like what, I mean, it's so interesting to me because I feel like I want to take it. It looks like really cool. It's fun. It's really fun. I'm having more fun than I've had in my entire life. in 2018, I think it was 2018, it might have been 2019, we put out a personality course for my dad.

So I was like, you should do an intro to personality because everybody can benefit from knowing what their personality is and like how that differs from other people and why they're attracted to certain people. It's like, that's good for everyone. And that was like, it wasn't accredited. It was just a six hour course. And it was so popular. And about three years ago, I was like, we could do my first of all, we can do more for you. but we could do that for everybody who's smart,

who has a message to share. At the time it was just for him? Well, initially, we already knew it worked for him, but I was like, you have all these good connections. Like he has connections at Cambridge and Oxford and like Stanford and Harvard. You have all these great people.

They don't have a social media following, but they're really interesting and really engaging. We could just make courses for them too. So, and then that kind of combined with him talking about an online university, which I think he started talking about in 2016, like, really like to make an online university. And over the next three years, like, my husband and I, and like my old roommate, Victor, that screwed me over for 10 years by

not telling me my IQ test, yes, score. But like, we kind of started developing it. And initially, we were going to launch with three courses and it was pretty much going to be a video platform. And then over a three-year period, it was like, oh, no, we want a social media platform too. So we have, like, you can post photos and do, it's kind of like X and Instagram combined. What do you learn? Like what are the, what are the courses? So we're putting out a general education curriculum, which is going to be a lot of great books, like a lot of courses on great books, but we also have a base, base courses for like personal finance. We're going to have what to do in emergencies, which is just like if you get injured or certain ways. I don't know how to do that.

But we tried to come up with a curriculum that's like, what does every person who walks into a random, sophisticated conversation need to know to not sound like a moron. Yeah. So it's like a lot of history, a lot of philosophy, a lot of psychology, and then base understanding of like chemistry, physics, biology. It's not accredited. So we're working with different jurisdictions. It looks promising.

I think you will get it. I think we might get there, but we're also not willing to just do what universities do to follow suit in that way. What you and him think about this, the general state of universities. I mean, because it seems a bit different than when we were kids. Oh,

it's a mess. So I went to, I went to two different universities, and I was always like, my dad was like, you need to get a PhD, because that's the direction you should go in. He comes from the world of academia.

Yeah. And he was like, in order to be successful, you need a PhD. And so that's what I grew up thinking. And I went to university and I was taking courses and the professors were so bad

that it was so disappointing. You were smarter than them. Probably. It was really bad, though. Like, I had one, my intro to psychology professor told us that rats weren't social, literally rats weren't social creatures because they lived in cages.

And I was just like, I'm never coming to this class again. This is such a waste of time. And then I had a classics course and I actually liked that teacher and we were studying Homer and she goes, oh, now we're going to study Homer through a feminist lens. I was like, we're reading Homer through a feminist lens.

Homer wasn't thinking about his books through a feminist lens. I was like, this is like, this is insulting and expensive. And I think I was so annoyed at the quality of education that I was expecting. Like I was expecting Harvard or something. And now, like that doesn't look like it's going in a great direction either. So it's just been nice to be able to be like, what should university look like? Can we make it accessible to everybody? can we make it internationally accessible and can we make it so affordable that anybody can access

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I just before everyone starts jumping down my throat, I was in the University of Arizona, right? So Harvard of the desert, but nothing to, nothing that's going to get everybody out there excited about academia. And I'll say, like, I was a poor student, and I never took school seriously because I think I was intelligent enough to know at the time that a lot of the stuff that I was being taught

was going to be absolutely unapplicable to me as an entrepreneur. Like, there was so many bullshit courses and so many bullshit classes that I took that I just, I remember sitting there and saying, like, I will never use this. Matter of fact, I have no idea where my diploma is and I've never used it on a resume. And I've no idea of what I can't bear it. Have you ever even filled out a resume?

I can't even really remember what I learned. What resume? But anyways, the point is, is I feel like along the way we've started to get away from just general base knowledge to your point and understanding and things that you actually need in the real practical world to go and build a business or have a successful career. For sure. You get these forever students that are going on all these tangents, which is like, If you're really interested in these obscure subjects, like go read a book and do your own thing,

but don't waste thousands and thousands of dollars thinking it's going to further your professional career down the line. This is the other reason. It's just, it's such a disaster, especially in the U.S., because it really is hundreds of thousands of dollars, which is so much money. And then you end up with knowledge in a degree that isn't applicable and in debt. It's so bad, like, people should be protected from it, I think. And then there's ideology that's like crept.

in that's thoroughly embedded in most of the courses. So you're like paying hundreds of thousand dollars to end up with a brainwashed education that won't help you get a job. And then you're taught to blame other people because of the position you're in. Yeah, I mean, like at this point, it's wild. And it's wild that when you talk about it, people get so upset. And it's like, at least if you're going to do it, know what you're getting yourself into. Yeah. I maybe this is different for other fields, but I just want to say like I think we we operate now, Lauren and I in the world of media. And I think there's a lot of young people that aspire to go into me, whether it's digital media or whatever. And I can tell you now as like an employer, I do not know where one person

in this entire company went to school. I don't know what their grades are. I don't know what their background is. I don't know what their credit. I don't know their degree. I don't know their major. I don't know. I don't know anything. I've never looked once. I look at who has practical experience and can get the job done and has nasty and who has common sense. It sounds like you guys are rebranding college a bit. Yeah, that's what we're trying to do. Like when I say that because it's like as an employer now and I've heard a lot of people, I could say I put almost zero weight or emphasis on any kind of academic degree whatsoever

because it's not applicable to what we do. You're not even alone though. Like I know people who run safe like financial advising companies that also don't really care about that. Like the number of company owners that aren't looking at degrees is astounding. And it's just growing because you end up hiring a bunch of people that have a degree and they don't know what they're doing at all. So what's the point of looking at that as, you know, a record of what people know? What is your dad who was sort of like in that world think of what's going on with this?

Like, does he also think it's ludicrous? Is that why he felt to launch this with you? Okay. So he also. He's angry. Yeah. Like, I don't really care. I'm just like, this is a great business opportunity.

And we could help a lot of people make education free. This is awesome. Keep wrecking yourselves, right? But dad's like, these are foundational institutions, and they used to be like magical places for people, and they're like burning themselves to the ground. And I think he's emotionally hurt by that. I imagine he's dedicated his whole life to it.

Yeah, and I mean, he got basically alienated out of working at the U of T, which was ridiculous because he was one of their highest rated professors. Because of his platform online, because he's outspoken? Yeah, well, he started like even in 2016, when he like kind of delved into politics, then there were protests at the university. And he's been pretty vocal about like HR companies

or taking out the universities. I remember in 2012, we had the dinner table and dad would like storm downstairs because his office was upstairs. Like, the HR companies are going to be the death of universities. And when he finally put out the video that went viral in 2016, it was because he stormed downstairs one day. And my mom was like,

talk about it on YouTube because he had a YouTube channel. And he put out this video that was like, professor against political correctness and it went viral. My mom was like, oh. Well, I guess what I'm saying from an outside perspective is I have no, I don't really have a base knowledge or understand, but what I'm saying is to me, the incentives are misaligned where you're telling people, hey, take massive loans and then maybe go learn things that you're actually not going to be able to use that are not going to be applicable to further your career to get out of those loans. And I've said on the show a million times, if you have a parent that's willing to foot the bill, go to school, enjoy it,

enjoy the independents, have fun, like learn what you can. You're not going to carry some huge financial burden after. But if you're a young person that's thinking about going to college and you're going to take on hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt, and you're assuming that at the end of that, this degree is going to get you out of all that debt quickly, I mean, just look what's happening. There's millions of people that can't get out of debt because they've made this decision. And I just say that as like it's a fact now. I have to ask you this. You also went viral. It says on Pierce Morgan's show. Oh, yeah.

What happened with that? He asked me what I eat in a day. And he was like, what do you eat for breakfast? And it was like, striploin. Like, what do you eat for lunch? Stripline. What do you eat for dinner? Like striploin and soup.

And that was the, that was the clip. That was the clip. And then the arguments, it was like, but what's in the soup? Unlike, to clarify that, it's like pressure cooked striploin. Yeah. It's not like, I call it soup. but so that went viral yeah like crazy i don't know 23 million views or something he was peers was great super nice i think it was just i don't know i guess it's funny i guess a lot of people haven't heard

about i'm in such a little niche where everyone who talks to me is like yeah you only eat me that's normal like but most people are like that's extremely abnormal so people were freaking out in the comments i have to tell you i get it i i totally get what you're doing i i think it's great and it works for you I don't get, this is my thing. I don't get why anyone cares what other people are doing if it works for them. I think people are offended if anybody's doing anything that's different from them and successful. So like, I mean, like Musk said he was going to launch something to Mars and people were unhappy in the comments. I feel like it's a waste of capacity to be offended of or something you can't control, but that's just me. I, sorry, Michael, and I don't even know if anyone's ever asked you this. I have to ask you about your beauty health diet.

I don't, I feel like people always ask you about entrepreneurship. Do people ask you about beauty health diet? Because you're, you're into it. I am into it. Yeah. Oh, for sure. Okay, can I ask you? Okay, yeah, yeah, go for it.

Favorite skincare hack? Stripline. That is a skincare hack. Like, actually, honestly, you're so more advanced in skin care than me. I like double wash. Your skin looks beautiful. That's about my skincare hack. That's from not eating anything and being really good.

careful about mold and any type of environmental exposure. It's basically just anything that I'm exposed to or ingest, that's how I take care of my skin. But that is a, I want to say that's a hack, but that is something that's obviously your beautiful skin. That's working. Thank you. People, I've worked really, really hard for it. What a novel thought. First thing I noticed. If you live in a moldy home and eat like shit, you're going to have bad skin. If you live in a moldy home and eat well, you're going to have bad skin. Got to check for molds. Yeah. Get those, even though $6 kits off Amazon. Yes. You couldn't just put them in your, like in your bathroom and just check. What's your non-negotiable in your wellness routine besides your diet? Sleep. I do really poorly.

I do really poorly with not enough sleep. So ideally sleep. It's so bad. Like I used to be on point at like 10 p.m. 6 a.m. wake up, 10 p.m. bedtime. And I felt so great. And then I got so busy that it's been like 12 and 1 o'clock mornings and it wrecks me. So I'd say like number two. other than diet is if I can get to bed at 10 p.m. It like changes the outlook of my life. What do you guys have a business going on in a nine month old. So yeah, you got a little bit. Oh, yeah.

What are you reading? What am I reading? Yeah. I haven't read something for fun since before I got healthy. Like throughout my childhood, I was a voracious reader. I wasn't at arthritis. So I like kind of I did sports, but like they hurt. So I read all the time.

and I went through all the classic books and like old literature. And then when I was 23 and started researching diet, all I read were scientific papers. Oh. And so I spent like two, before I got to the gluten link, I spent two years reading scientific papers

until I got to gluten. And then since then, it's really been, I honestly, like people ask me this all the time. What are you reading? I read the Bible. That's about, that's about it. Like, and I would read other things, but there were,

there's so much work to do. that's so enjoyable that I'm like, I don't, I can't even focus if I'm doing something other than the work. That makes sense. You're just really passionate about what you do. Did your parents introduce you to reading at a young age? Was that something that was mandated in the house? Yeah, dad. My dad taught me how to read when I was five. I can remember sitting on his lap, like, weeping, trying to like, so I was old enough to remember that trying to sound out words. Are there things that either him or both your parents made you do that at the time you were, that you were very resistant to or you did not like that? You're now.

grateful for, because if that's one of them. So I think about this as a parent. I'm like, I wonder if there's things that I should be doing that I know they're not going to like, but that's just going to do so good for them later. I think like reading initially, but I wanted to learn too. So I wasn't pushing back too far. I just remember crying with frustration, trying to like sound out the letters in a row. Like that's vivid. Did they make me do anything I didn't like? I didn't like practicing. I didn't like bowling. That's because I had arthritis. I had to bowl for my brother's birthday. There wasn't a- Are there certain things that they wouldn't allow you to do?

Just stupid things. Like, don't go out on Friday and smoke weed and drink all night. That's like normal. Yeah. I mean, I didn't like that. I don't think there's like, get on out there and just have yourself a time. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Maybe some. You recently got married, who I just had the pleasure of meeting your very tall husband. You guys, he's very tall. We know. I'm just saying. We know. It's like jarring because I'm not used to it. I'm like, what's going?

Like, it's like disorienting. I think he's wearing like, I know he's got, fuck, he's got normal shoes. But you guys recently got married and you got married. You were public about it as Michael and I were with our marriage. How was that? How was that? When we got married, we did it like on the internet. Oh, that.

Because I know everyone has opinions. I don't know. I, like, maybe I wasn't paying attention. You were too busy getting married. Yeah. I also got so much. My family, too. It wasn't just me.

It was mostly my dad. It got so much negative media attention from 2018 to 2020. You don't give a fuck anymore. Not, like, not at all. I think it was mostly positive, but I wasn't really paying attention. I do think people were just like,

oh, you look so much happier now. I think that was like the overall. The individuals that made it through 2018, I'd say even 2022 with negative press and came out the other side out without being phased. Like, I don't think anything will face about this point. I just leave the comments up now. I mean, I remember when I first started out,

you like delete them or you block them. way worse. Way worse. But I guess what I'm saying is like, there's some people that got washed out and couldn't handle that, but the people that made it through are like, good luck. Yeah, it was hard. It was rough.

Like, it was rough. It, like, decimated my family for about five years. Every time there was a negative article. It's like, say whatever you want at this point. Oh, well, now at this point we're like, yeah, bad press is good press. But you can't get that into your head when it's happening because it's scary. But now it's like, yeah, like,

like spew about moralize please well I think what that was great free PR yeah exactly there was like a really weird period of time there and it's kind of I think it's dying down a bit who knows maybe we'll do this episode with you and I'll come back but where they were like really like trying to take people's livelihoods away like that that was the pressure oh yeah that was also part of so it wasn't just like I mean for my dad for what happened to him it was like he thought he was going to lose his job at the university, which was at risk, his client base, and that all his friends would hate him. And so it's no wonder that that kind of thing does take people out. Sure. I feel like now people are realizing the people who really like you, who should be there, actually like you more for sticking up for

yourself. Oh, for sure. And that happened to us too. Like, I lost a bunch of friends and I was like, well, then you weren't my friend. Like, you didn't even like me then. That's fine. Goodbye. Goodbye. Like next. Yeah. That's the way I look at it anyway. It's like if they were going to like abandon you, it's like, I don't want to be friends with you anyway. Yeah. Okay, what's in your back? I love this. Okay, so I have, do I have anything back here?

I have a mirror back here. Okay. I got on an airline. And in the front, usually I have my epipens because I'm so allergic to everything, but I forgot them, which is a little anxiety provoking. So I don't have any epipans. Uh-oh. I have, I just have like nerd stuff.

This is, we love it. This is for histamine intolerance. Okay. It's just, it helps you, it's DAO and helps you break down history. so I take that before I eat steak. Can anyone take that? Yeah. I mean, it's good if you have any level of like...

Do you get red? Yes, it's that. This is really good. It's DAO. And this company... It doesn't get red when I drink alcohol. That's why I ask. Yeah, yeah.

This will help with that. So, yeah, it's called Histamine Digest. This company's really good. I have... I have Zins because I'm a... Oh. Yeah, I wasn't expecting. Steak and vodka and Zins.

Love it. Huberman says nicotine is healthy. It's not. Like, there's no way that's right. But Zanz are in there. can be good. I have all my, because I'm traveling all the time. I have like my visa and passport because I have the type of visa that you don't get a stamp in your passport.

So I have to carry around my letter that says I'm allowed in the States. Yeah. It's pretty archaic. And I have my hangover supplements. Of course. Oh, we take those. Yeah, I know. Oh, yeah, those years.

I forgot. Yeah, we take those. I don't know. I take these all the time when I drink. I'm going to have a cocktail tonight. I'm going to take it at the restaurant. Yes. Explain what this is because this is absolutely.

life-changing. Is it called a compound? What's the, what's the ingredient? It's pure. So it's dihydro my ricotan. And this is like my, this is like my pet project because the big project is Peterson Academy. This is because if you don't eat carbs and you drink alcohol, the hangovers are on another level of horrible. And I found this when I was, I found the compound when I was 20 and I was drinking way too much and I was horribly hung over in bed. And I was like, it's 20. I don't know when that was, 2012, there's no way that there's not something that can help with hangovers. And there's this compound out of Japan called dihydromyracetan. And they've been using it over there because Asians have a really hard time breaking down alcohol. They've been using it over there and

tea. Yeah, they get flushed and everything. Yeah, they have to get red. This helps break down acetaldehyde. So if you drink, the ethanol converts, you metabolize it into acetaldehyde. And that's what poisons your brain and your organs and your body. Is that why it's such terrible hangovers my whole life? Because. of this? A buildup of S. Eltadhyde. Some people don't break it down as quickly and things like that. This helps you break it down. Because if you've met

those people like I've never been hung over drink, I can't Oh, I'm not one of those people. If I have two glass of wine, I'm hung over. So what I do? Wine is worse too, especially for histamine and for histamine intolerance as well. It's horrible. It's so bad. So if I take that? No, you take them, you've taken these before I've given them to you. But I take two, when I was

traveling, I took two before I drank and two in the morning. Is that right? Yeah, it depends how much you drink. Like if you're going out and having four or five drinks, I'd take three after you drink before you go to bed and two in the morning. Okay. If you're having one or two drinks, then like, yeah, two and two in the morning. Okay, so you do it before bed with like a big glass of water or whatever. Yeah, and like electrolytes are always useful if you're going to be dehydrated. And then for you, I'd probably take the DAO enzyme for histamine intolerance before you drink, take this one after you drink,

because you're probably getting whammed with like acetylide and histamine intolerance. Because I don't know what it is. I swear to God, maybe it's after I've turned 30 or whatever, but or become a dad. If I smell alcohol now, I'm hungover for a week. So I, my hangovers are brutal. Do we have, maybe because I just beat myself up for so long. Do we have a code for after party? Oh, we could get a code.

We could make a code. What do you want it? Let's do put skinny. How much can they get off? Let's do 15% code skinny. Yeah. It's worth trying. I don't even like, it's very successful, but I also pay people to run it.

So I'm not making hordes of money from it. It just works so well. And if you're going to drink and you can break down a Cetal to hide faster, like there are hardly any supplements I take. I take DIAO. I take this one if I'm drinking. And then I'm going to have two of those, two or three of those.

Yeah. And then I'm going to tell you. And then two more tomorrow morning. And I'll report back. And then text. I love it. I take it all the time. I like love it.

I tell everyone about it. I think it's absolutely fabulous. Fullerhealth.com. Yes. Code Skinny 15. Can we also do a code? I didn't even ask you this up for the Peterson Academy. No. No. Okay. Sorry, guys. Yeah, sorry. You have to pay it. You got to pay. It ends up, so it's $500 a year. Gotta pay. And you can pay $41 a month. It's like dirt cheap. Yeah. There's 18 courses. We're rolling out three new ones a month. So by next year, there's going to be like 40. Put it on while I'm taking a shower or doing my makeup. You can listen to them as podcast still. Yeah. That's really smart.

Yeah. Because sometimes I, you know, you want to like. switch it up from a podcast. Yeah. That's really smart to just do it while you're doing your makeup. Yeah. I mean, I might do that. Peterson Academy. The host of the Michaela Peterson podcast. I love your podcast. You guys should all go listen. Where can everyone find you, pimp yourself out? I'm Michaela Peterson on Instagram. Michaela, like YouTube.com slash Michaela on YouTube. That's where my podcast is or Spotify or Apple Podcast or whatever. And then the online universities peterson academy.com and hangover supplements are also on amazon you just type after party in yeah that's smart yeah i'll be ordering on amazon i didn't know that yeah thank you so

much for coming on you have an open invite to come on the show whenever you want you're so good on a mic oh thank you next time you come on with her yeah we'll do a him and her oh that's fun yeah definitely let definitely come on with her next come on we're going to put you in a really low chair Yeah, by the way, this is getting adjusted, how we're like the judge and jury. I kind of like it, though. Yeah, it is. It's a little too, like on the nose. It's funny, though, because someone like in the YouTube comments, like, what do they say?

They said, take creatine, your honor. I thought it was funny. I'm going on your podcast. You guys go listen. Thank you for coming on the show. Thank you, Michaela. Thanks for having me. If you like this episode, go listen to Michael and I on her podcast, the Michaela Peterson

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