The Bossticks - Million Dollar Listing's Josh Flagg & Tracy Tutor On A TSC Roundtable Conversation

Episode Date: December 6, 2021

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The following podcast is a dear media production. She's a lifestyle blogger extraordinaire. Fantastic. And he's a serial entrepreneur. A very smart cookie. And now Lauren Everts and Michael Bostic are bringing you along for the ride. Get ready for some major realness. Welcome to the skinny confidential, him and her.

I don't even remember the first house. That's how long ago it was. I don't remember the first house. I remember the first, like, first time I realized, like, I was 12. 25 years old and I had made like half a million dollars and it was like my third year in real estate. I was like, holy shit, I can make a lot of money doing this. The fact that I'm making a half million dollars a year and everybody else around me is, you know, barely making a hundred grand a year and I didn't, you know, I didn't study. I wasn't a great student. I didn't have like that much luck

with the acting thing. So to, you know, be in the business for three years and all of a sudden look at your bank account and go, oh my God, that's when I realized. So, you know, I should probably stay with this gig. I don't deal well. They would not deal well with me because entitles the wrong word, but I don't kiss people's asses. I don't go to that level to make a sale. Like, and I am a sales source.

It's like you're supposed to cater to the client. I'm not good at that. Like, I treat them as if they're equals, not that they're above me, which maybe I shouldn't do. But it's just the game. Welcome back to the skinny confidential him and her show. that clip was from our guests of the show today. Josh Flagg and Tracy Tudor,

we had a lot of fun with these two in the studio. Right now, you just have me on the mic. Lauren is on Baby Duty, but trust me, this is going to be a short introduction because this is a long episode. We shot the shit with these two for a while. They flew into Texas, came into the studio, and we had a lot of fun.

Obviously, this is Josh's second, maybe third appearance on the show. I feel like he's been on multiple times. Maybe I just run into him so much or we just run into him so much when we're in L.A. So always love having him on. And this is our first time meeting Tracy.

And she was lovely and great and just had a lot of fun with these two. Like I said, look out pretty soon for Lauren and I to start doing some more solos. We're going into the new year. We have a lot of stuff on our mind. It's obviously been a heavy couple two years. And we don't really get a chance to do as many solos anymore. As the show has grown, we've had so many great opportunities to have more and more guests on the show, which is phenomenal. But we've kind of gotten away from doing solos, which we love doing.

So look out for those. we're going to pepper in a few of them towards the end of the year and then try to get a little bit more consistent with them next year. Not that the guests aren't great. We love the guests, but want to get back to kind of offering our perspective, our advice, current events, past events, topics. So look out for those to happen more frequently. With that, like I said, Josh Flagg, Tracy Tudor, many of you guys may recognize Josh and Tracy for a million dollar listing. I didn't realize personally how long that show has been going and how long Josh has been doing it. It's pretty crazy. he gets into the details and tells us how long that show has been going. But it's, it's wild. I mean, he's got to be one of the OG reality TV stars now that I think about it. He's just been on for forever. And I can see why it's a great show. With that guys, Josh Flagg, Tracy Tudor, welcome with the skinny confidential, him and her show.

This is the skinny confidential, him and her. Is that like a celery? That's really dark green. You know how we roll. You've been on here before. We just kind of jump right into it. You know, I was thinking if I ever needed to murder you, I could just wait on the Beverly Hills Hotel. Every time I come to L.A. I find you there. What about the guy last night

that tried to murder us in the middle of the night on the street? Is it annoying to get recognized all the time? And do you guys get recognized together all the time? He's very mean to fans most of the time.

Like he said to on camera because we were filming this, we have it on camera. He was so sweet and so excited to meet us. And Josh said, don't touch me. It's COVID times. Like, what are you doing?

Are you using COVID to your advantage, though? Yeah, for sure, I would have done that normally. So you're not like a toucher or a hugger. Don't touch me. I mean, like, you asked me first. Okay, I touched you. Coming from a guy who takes his pants off and tries to rub his penis against my. Okay, let me ask you, is that a salt if last night I, well, we sleep naked together.

You sleep naked. I have all my clothes on. Okay. I'm painting a picture here, but now you're ruining this. Paint the picture. Whatever. How big? then started to wrestle her naked.

Is that a salt or is that like... I found it to be a salt. How much would someone have to pay you guys to sleep together? After taxes or before? Oh, he always asked me this question, like how much it would take. I'd do it for like $25,000. Oh, wow. I do it for like $5.000.

He would do it for free, it sounds like. I would do it for the story. She doesn't want to sleep naked with you if you would do it for $5 grand. Yeah. I mean, she's feeling really... I can't decide if I'm offended. How much would it be? cost you.

That's what I was just thinking. Like, if it's five- It would be a lot. She's, like, she's, like... I mean, first of all, I think my biggest challenge was sleeping with you is the fact that you're, like, so fucking hairy. I'm not that hairy. You're hairy?

You don't picture you, Harry. He is the hairiest backside. I don't have had any hair on my back. Not on your back. Oh, on my ass. Maybe. You shaved your butthole hair. No, I did.

She did. You shaved it. Okay, but so your bottle hair is long right now. No. Why don't you do that for me? wanted. I'm not going to shave your butthole hair. I'll shave your butthole hair. I actually like butthole hair on a man though. I don't like this like shaved cat. I don't want it to look like like a woman. Right. But it's like a lot. Man scaped. There's a lot going on down there. Yeah. And I see it all the time. Bobby strikes me someone though that shaves everything.

Oh yeah. Bobby. He doesn't need to shave because he doesn't get really grow that much hair. Okay. I was talking to my friend the other day and this is just like I mean this is a total side conversation. But like I was asking him, I'm like, do I need to be bleaching my butthole? I'll leash your butt hole for you. I'm curious about that too. What do you do? And by the way, is that something that is like later in life thing? Like, do people bleach their but holes when they're young? Or is it because, like, I want its mind to be pink.

Well, he told me he's a very attractive young guy. And he said, it'd be great if you could. And I'm like, so you want me to get my eyebrows tinted, my makeup done, my hair done, my hair dyed, my body tan. It's like another thing to add to the whole thing to look semi-decent. You should bleach her butthole for her. Yes. Do you want my butthole to be bleached?

I'm always down for experimentation. We'll see what goes. I mean, I guess it just depends, like, who's going there? Like, if no one's really going there, I don't find it to be necessary. Yeah, I mean, I don't think so. But people are going there with you. No. Not people. Bobby.

He's not going down there. Do you want Bobby's butthole bleached? No, it's a nice... Are you the top? Well, it's challenging because we're both tops. When you're married, you're tops. Yeah, I mean, it's challenging. Wing it a little bit?

Wing it? Yeah, I mean, like, as a gay man, if you're a top and you're a top and you flip points. Who's going to take it for the team? How do you actually decide that? It's tough. Yeah, if you're married to a top and you're a top, I would be selfish, I feel like. I'm very selfish. Yeah, I would be like, you know, maybe next time.

Yeah, exactly. I don't know, maybe next time. I just feel like it's easier to be a top. Yeah, clearly. Well, it seems like less labor. Right? I mean, just think about... I think I would probably be a top.

You'd be a top. Wait, actually, no, the bottom would probably be less labor because you just have to sit there. Well, except for what you have to do, like, leading up to being a bottom. There's a lot of, like, work. Oh, yeah. Right? You can't, like, just wing it and, like, go out on a date and, like, have a meal.

I don't hope it all turns out of a day. Not a meal. Like, I'd be scared to eat as a bottle. I'd be like the most anorexic bottom. Literally. You can't eat anything. No, ever. Think about it.

Like, you'd have to, you know, I mean, don't you guys have to... Do you really want to go there? How much time do you have? Yeah, 100%. I'm not a bottom, so I think it's a... But you know, it's a man. This is taking a turn that I did not expect. Well, don't you want to know?

Like, aren't you curious? I don't know. Kind of... Now I kind of am. I was thinking as you were saying, like, you couldn't eat. I was like, I would, then I was like, oh, shit. But think about it. It's not how you can, like, go to in and out and then, like, you know.

Well, it takes a while to digest, doesn't it? I don't know, man. I think people, like, the digestive track, I don't think, like, you just eat a burger and it comes out your ass five seconds later. No, if you're in Mexico and you have, like, monomers. I don't think it should be having butt sex in Mexico or India. You can't have sex in India. Like, in Mumbai.

I don't think that's a. great place to have butt sex. I just would be cautious about like, you know, what I was eating because I'd be nervous, like, what if we were going to have sex and I was a bottom? We talk more about how we were almost abducted last night? Go ahead. Yeah. Well, Josh, I mean, you dress so low-key, I'm surprised that anybody recognizes you in your cream turtle next weather with a scarf in the middle of Texas. Just so you guys are clear, this is day three of the same outfit. So that's interesting. So it's day two. And the reason why is because, not because I wear the same clothes, but we left yesterday morning.

And I figured, I picked him up at 545. 545. And I figured, I'm really going to be there for not even 24 hours. It's like 22 hours. So why can I just wear the same turblenet twice in a row? Like one day in a while. And then I have to pack it. He opened the door at 545 a.m.

You guys, he had a toothbrush, a pair of slippers, a can of hair spray. and deodorant. No but whole bleach. No but whole bleach. But think about it. This morning when we left, I didn't have to worry about packing up the room. I carried my toothbrush out.

All my credit cards, everything. I had to carry all his cards. Everything. And I'm a free man. Sounds like me and Michael. That's pretty impressive, though. I would imagine that you would have like a whole trunk. No.

Oh, yeah. I travel with steamer trunks. Yeah. Like on the Titanic. When I look at you, I'm like that, that's a steamer trunk. He looks high maintenance. Yeah, you do.

He's not. Yeah. I think that he's just really well styled. And he, like, this is the love. Don't flatter him that much. You guys, he's going to wear the outfit for another day. Oh, no. Well, you're always put together, so I always imagine that you have a whole arsenal of stuff with you.

No, no, no. No, you know what my theory on that is, is when I'm traveling, I don't really need to dress to impress him because I'm not going to run into people that I know. So when people like travel and like take an arsenal of clothing, like I'm like, I don't give a fuck. I could wear like the same three things. I'm ever going to find out. But what if you're present on Instagram and Instagram stories? Have you not thought about that? Like, I can't...

Tracy, you're not wearing the same thing on Instagram stories three days in a row. No. No. We can't do that. Yeah, I mean, I don't... I mean, I do pack lots of outfits like when I go to Europe, but I mean, I used to pack maybe like 10 shirts. Now I pack 20 shirts or whatever, but I didn't used to care as much more. But yes, you're right.

Now I care a little bit more. Yeah, because the Instagram stories don't want to see the same look day after day. Right. Do you know? They need like a little mix. But guys can get away with that a little easier. Like, if you're wearing a... T-shirt. Yeah, I'm wearing a T-shirt, so no one would know, you know. Michael is so styled out every

single day. He is complete opposite of me. I'm more like you. I feel like you guys are more like child. Where do you shop? Let him pull out of scroll. He loves shopping way more than me. No, not as much anymore. Not as much anymore. Michael. Not as much anymore. I used to like it a lot more. I feel like you wear like a little al-a-newy. Do you have anything from al-a-newy? No, he's going to Google it. What is it? It looks like what you're wearing right to that top. They have like, you've seen that they have like knits and they have like what,

like it says Venice Beach across one of them. Another one has like an Indian print. Another one is like an aspenny vibe print. I'm super casual out here. He dresses for each place he goes. So like if we're going to New York, he has like 10 trenches and like leather jackets. And then like if we're in L.A.,

like he has like the specific like blazers with like the flannels. But then if we're going to Europe, it's like you are anal. about the way you back. Europe is the white linen pants. I really appreciate that. Well, I feel like to be a cultured person, you have to embrace the culture. You have to, you know. There we go.

I'm probably not going to show up like this to Hotel de Cap, right? Maybe I might. Well, with the weather, I mean, you wouldn't wear that. And weather-wise, it would be too warm. So what's your closet like? My closet, I just had reorganized. Everything is now, is, we'll see, my outfits, I have a book, right? So I'm lazy.

I don't want to think what. I don't want to think about what I'm going to wear in the morning. So everything of mine is cataloged. And it goes by summer, winter, travel, cruise. And then I just open up the thing and I go, boop, boop, boop. Oh, I like this outfit. And then I pick it out. Kind of like from clueless, but not the automated version.

Did a stylist do this? Is it on your phone or is it like an actual book? It's an actual booklet in my closet. Did a stylist do it or did you put it together? No, I said, no. My assistant takes the photos, puts it in like a binder, laminates it, and puts in the booklet. That's actually a trait of an extremely successful person. They don't want to think about what they wear in the morning.

We do it for dinner parties also. So all of my table escapes and all the different china patterns, the way the flowers are, the way even there's a seating chart. And so we keep it for every time. So like, let's say we have a dinner party. Let's the candy spelling is coming over. So ahead of time, we have notes, allergies, what her favorite drink of choices. and then we print photographs and give it to the wait staff ahead of time so that when she walks in the door, well, Mrs. Spelling, here's your martini.

So they have printed photos ahead of time and know who is coming through that door. So if you're the president or if you're just a bomb, like everybody, like, you were treated like royalty. Michael has a rock hard boner right now that he wishes. Why have I not been doing perfect together? Yeah. You should see my tablescape at the house now. It's incredible.

Does your assistant do that or do you do that? Or do you have like a house person to do that? We had a house manager and she quit. The rest of my people that work in my life. Why is that weird? I mean, working for Josh Flagg is like a whole energy. What are you implying? It's very difficult.

So Josh has been on this podcast before. We had him on with Bobby. You guys have to go back and listen. And Nikki Haskell. Right. But Tracy hasn't. No. We want to get the juice, the backstory on you.

And maybe you can pepper in little things. as you guys go on. Keep it honest over there. How long have you guys known each other? Five years? No. Oh, it feels longer to me.

I would, if I guess to think, 15 years. Like four or five years. Huh. How'd you guys get so close so quick? We fucked. Ah. You sit naked and bed together. Mm-hmm.

I think we just, I don't know. We just kind of fell for each other when we were on the show. Yeah. I want to get a backstory on Tracy. Like, tell me where you grew up, your childhood, what it was like. I want to know all of me.

I was born in L.A. He was raised in Beverly Hills and I was raised in the Valley, so I have a little more grit than this one. It was Hidden Hills. You make it sound like it was like Valencia. It's true. I was raised in Paramount, Valencia. But that was before Hidden Hills was like, you know, horse country. Oh, sorry, it was when the houses were only 10 million, not 20. You forget that I'm like a lot older than you.

Oh. It was rough back then, huh? You look great. Yeah. So I grew up in. Hitton Hills, went to USC, was studying theater, wanted to be an actress, and I was going to move to New York and then realize, oh, shit, like, this is L.A. This is where pilots are made. I need to stay in L.A. So I stayed in L.A. I waited tables. I did what I could to sort of make it work. And then I

realized pretty quickly that I, you know, wasn't going to wait to make money and wait for someone to discover me and be like an actress. And so I decided to get into real estate. because I figured, fuck, I know so many people. I grew up here. Like, I know rich people. Like, I should be able to sell a house. It doesn't require a degree. I can get this done. So I started in real estate when I was like 22, 23 years old, quit acting. And, you know, 20 years later. What was your first house that you sold? And was it like a big deal? Or was it not that big of a deal? I don't even remember the first house. That's how long ago it was. I don't remember the first house. I remember the first, like, first time I realized, like, I was 25 years old and I had made

like half a million dollars and it was like my third year in real estate. I was like, holy shit, I can make a lot of money doing this. The fact that I'm making a half a million dollars a year and everybody else around me is, you know, barely making a hundred grand a year. And I didn't, you know, I didn't study. I wasn't a great student. I didn't have, like, you know, that much luck with the acting things. So to, you know, be in the business for three years and all of a sudden look at your bank account and go, oh, my God, that's when I realized, you know, I should probably stay with this gig. You seem like you're, to me, a really driven, ambitious person. I am. I mean, I grew, you know, my dad's Armenian. And so he was born here, but obviously his

family was not. And so he grew up in Van Nuys in the valley and was like a total hood rat. all of his friends went to jail. But he was smart. And he ended up joining the army, was there for four years, and then came out of the army and went to USC, started in the engineering school, and couldn't hack it. And so went into business school. And afterwards, you know, my grandfather had a little construction company where they were building like gas stations and mini malls and stuff like that, making ends meet, doing fine, but not great. And my dad joined, you know, his company and then built it into the massive construction company that it is today. And they built things like bridges, tunnels, Vegas airports, and things of that nature.

But because of that, he had this grit and like this sort of appreciation. You know, he didn't come from anything. So he always taught me to have that. So my first job, I got my first job when I was 15 years old, selling suits in the mall. And that was the first time I figured out what commission was. And so while everybody else was, like, working at like, wet seal and like taking home like the cute girl clothes and stuff, I was like slinging suits and making like an extra 150 bucks a week. If I sold five suits, I made like an extra, however

commission. And that's when I was like, I really like this gig. So you're very entrepreneurial. Yeah. Listen up, you have absolutely no excuses left. You can go online right now and level up any skill you want to directly online with very minimal costs. And that's why I love our partner Skillshare. Skillshare is an online learning community that offers membership with meaning with so much to explore real projects to create and support fellow creatives. Skillshare empowers you for real growth. For those of you that have been listening for a long time, they have been a long-term partner. And that's because Lauren and I love any platform that helps you level up in your career, your life, and your creativity. And that's exactly what Skillshare does.

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There's something for you. And you can kind of learn and go and level up as you go along and take more courses. And I hate to say this to the Ivy Leaguers, but I think the modern school system is about to be disrupted if it's not being already. You know, why go and spend heavy tuitions, taking a broad assortment of classes that may or not actually interest you and help you progress your career? And that's why I love Skillshare so much. It's extremely affordable. There's something for everyone you can focus down.

And an annual subscription is less than $10 a month. So explore your creativity at Skillshare.com slash TSC and get one month of a free trial of premium membership. That's one month of a premium membership at Skillshare.com slash TSC. That's skillshare.com slash TSC. This is actually probably for both of you. I think people would look at both of your careers and what you do in L.A., like top of the market and think, like, oh, I can do that. How many people actually get to the level of selling the homes that you guys sell in L.A.?

1% probably do 99% of the business. That's a pretty impressive stat. 1% does 99% of the business. There's like 10 of us that do the majority of the business. There's probably like 30 top agents, but there's like a good solid 10. And how, and so for the other 99%, like, where, what are they mostly doing? They're in the valley? I think that you can make great money.

And if you look around the country, obviously we're in like a very typical high-end luxury market, you know, New York, L.A., Miami, Texas, things like that. But in the rest of the country, you can make a very good living selling real estate. I think the biggest misconception about our job is that, you know, You can make your own schedule and, like, people are like, oh, I can be like a new mom and and be a real estate agent and just kind of like make some extra money. It's like the hardest gig there is. Like you work nonstop. You're constantly having to like entertain two clients, right?

Like the buyer and the seller. You are. Two. Maybe more. Well, I mean, when you're finally when you're actually like going into an escrow or place, you're dealing with like. No. I mean, we're always entertaining.

It's just, there's just never stops. You know, I mean, if you think about it, when you're selling your house, it's like the biggest asset that you have. So you're like, there is no time. I'm going to call my agent at 9 o'clock at nights and freaking out about the millions of dollars that are at stake. I can't stand the phone. I wouldn't be good. He's on the phone. I can't stand the phone. When someone calls me, I find it to be so intrusive. Like, I think it is so rude. Like, you think that you're just going to call me and I'm going to pick up my phone in the middle of the day. It feels invasive.

I would like you to have that conversation with my mom. Yeah, there's some damage there. There's a little bit. Did you get in a fight with the telephone ones? No, I just think that what you're asking from someone is time. You're asking for someone to drop everything that you're currently doing. That's what the phone is for. But if it's not, I hear you because for me, I like to schedule calls because I can't be expected in the midst of like right now, if a client called, I can't pick up the phone.

So you have to pick it up. But you always pick it up. I mean, honest to God, the last 24 hours, he is. But it's not my fault that these people, like, I've staff that is calling me. I think you enjoy. He enjoys talking on the phone. No, then you don't know me. I hate it.

That's all you did yesterday. Because my assistant's calling me having 45-minute conversations about what am I supposed to do? No, you can't do a 45-minute assistant conversation, though they have to be more efficient. He's not efficient. I do voice notes. Yes, you do. I know that because I've seen your voice notes by text. No, it's not efficient.

Yes, it is. I say, hey, blah, blah, blah. I don't listen to your voice notes. That's why it's not efficient because you don't listen to them. Thank you. No, that's even worse. You expect someone to sit there and listen to your voice note? 100%.

Yeah, nobody listens. I delete all your voice notes. That is really rude. I've sent you some really great things. I literally see them and I just, it's way easier. Why don't you just voice and have it come through as text? That's what I do. I only do that.

I just don't know that. I voice recorded then, but it comes out in a text. Yeah, but then words get spelled wrong. All the time. The other day I wrote accidentally, I want to fuck you, Rabbi. I did. It came out accidentally. I said, I want to fuck you, rabbi.

What were you trying to say? I was trying to say, hey, I don't remember what I was trying to say. It was something, but it was not I want to fuck you, rabbi. Might have been. You could have been doing it. You never know. I'm telling you. I don't ever read what comes out on my thing.

Yeah. See, that's the problem. With voice notes, you can't mess it up. Right. So how much does the show help you get in position to do what you both? do or is it like you're doing that before and then the show just amplifies what you've already been doing? The latter. The latter.

Yeah. And so, okay, someone like me say, I want to come and I'm like, hey, I want to break into the luxury real estate market in L.A. What does it actually take to do that? Like, is it impossible? You have to just know people or is it like you can actually, like, what is the, what are the traits? I mean, people will listen to this and they'll look at both of you and like, oh, I want to follow that path. I think you have to be charismatic.

I think, you know, when you're in sales and whether it's real estate, advertising, whatever it is. Sales is the type of thing where people have to be drawn to you. You have to have charisma. You have to have like a certain amount of authenticity where people trust you because you're handling, you know, the biggest thing that, the biggest asset that they have. And obviously you have to know what you're doing. What's like a client that you guys have stepped away from that had a shitload of money to spend and they were going to buy a huge house, but you just couldn't deal with them? I had one on the show last season. Oh, God, that piece. Oh, he was such a fucking asshole. His name is Scott Gillen. Scott Gillen, everyone.

Yeah. Tell us what you think about him, Tracy. I can't stand that man. Half a billion in real estate. I managed his portfolio for a year. Didn't sell a single thing because the half a billion in real estate was probably worth more like $100 million. You know, he was very high on himself and his ability. Sounds leverage to me.

Yeah, he's a delight. He's a real delight. Anyway, he was so condescending, so ego was out of control. And finally, he made my staff cry. He made my business partner cry. He threw chairs across the room. He was really unfortunate. And I finally got to the place where I was like,

there isn't a check that you could write for me to stay in this dynamic. So then I took him as a client. No, you didn't. No, he didn't. I'm kidding. How would that have gone over if you had taken? him as a client, which you would have fired him? There's no way. They would never. No, I don't deal well. They would not deal well with me because entitles the wrong word, but I, I don't kiss people's

asses. I don't, like, I don't go to that level to make a sale. Like, and I am a sales source. It's like you're supposed to cater to the client. I'm not good at that. Like, I treat them as if they're equals, not that they're above me, which maybe I shouldn't do. But it's just the game. Yeah, but then you kind of remind me of the girl in high school that was like, I'm too busy for you, leave me alone. I don't want to date you. And then the guy's more intrigued. Michael. But like, you remind me of like someone who is like constantly trying to play hard to get. So the person like tries to like. It's, I'm not trying. I don't know. It's just like I. You are, you are hard to get maybe is the right word.

I don't think so. I'm, I'm, I'm, maybe I'm just not as, uh, I don't know. You're a loof. Aloof, maybe. No, I'm personable. You're personable, but aloof. He's just so eccentric that I think it's like the only word for you because the fact that you're like, sometimes I think he's like 20 years my senior. And I remember that he's not like 10 years younger than me. And he's just a different, like you have an old soul.

He's not a typical guy by any stretch of the world. I mean, most of his friends are past 70. I mean, I'm young. I'm young. I appreciate that. I love older people, too. I appreciate that. I just have a lot more in comedy,

a lot more to talk about. Well, he's almost uncomfortable with people that are younger. Huh? Yeah, it's weird. I don't know why. He just doesn't relate.

Well, you were very close to your grandma. Yeah, I mean, that's not why. Maybe that's part of it, yeah. Yeah. So maybe that's like the appeal. I just really to, you know, I don't know.

I just have more things to talk about. I don't know. Yeah. So I want. I want to go back to when you had a kid. How did you do that with real estate if you're building this massive empire? Like, how did you manage that? Because I'm having an issue with it right now. I constantly feel guilty. And I don't have any answers or tips. Yeah, I wish I had the answers. I don't. It was tough. I wasn't at the time I was 30 when I had my daughter, my first daughter,

and I'd been married for two years. And I was selling, really. estate and doing well, but it was still not, I wasn't at the level where I was like, this is going to be really big. And so I actually took most of the first year off. I think I sold like a couple houses, you know, by default and then got back into it again. But where it got even harder is when the school kicked in because that's when like that competitiveness and all the Mommies are like, and now I know better. And so if I had, if you're going into that mode soon, that's when you really need to protect yourself because it's so easy to get sucked into like being, you know, PTA mom.

No, I wouldn't do all that. Just being involved and like being there and showing up to school. And, you know, the truth is when you're a working mom, and candidly for me, you know, once I got divorced, a single mom and working, I had no option. And I remember feeling so fucking guilty all the time because I couldn't do any of those things. And so I finally called the head of the school. This is a couple of years. This is probably three or four years ago. And my daughter was in fifth or sixth grade at the time. And I just said to her, I go, I can't, I can't do this anymore. I can't feel guilty about it. I'm done. I'm working too hard.

and you guys send emails on a weekly basis about, you know, joining, participating. We'd love to have you, you know. And I said, it just makes me feel worse. So take me off the fucking list. Why don't you just push unsubscribe? Because they're personal emails from, like, the teachers and they want you to be involved in particularly when the kids are younger. Now my daughters are in like these little, you know, they're in upper school. So they're like little mini feminist and you're not even allowed to go to the school.

And I'm like, you know, praise the Lord. But, you know, when they're in elementary school, there's, this expectation and you suck as a parent, particularly as a mother, less as a dad, if you're not at every single game, showing up and doing like the Halloween tour and like, whatever the hell is happening. It's, it's weekly. And I couldn't be a part of any of it. It made me feel like shit for so many years. And then finally, the head of school was like, come in. You're a mess. And I said, yeah, I am. And I said, you got to, you guys got to stop this. Like this, she goes, you need to stop. You need to let it go. Forgiv.

yourself and and do you. Your kids are fine. They're doing great and let go of the pressure that you feel. And I was like, okay, and she gave me permission to do that. So it's, it's, you know who doesn't give you permission to do that though, I feel like? And this is just, this is an observation. I have no idea because my daughter's too. It seems like the other mothers are the worst. I, I didn't do the mom group thing or anything. And not that there's anything wrong with that. If you, if you want to do that great, but it seems like it's so competitive and it seems like they're almost there for each other. Not even for the kids. It's like the bar mitzvah. When you have like bar mitzvahs for your children and it's really a party for the parents.

Right. To show off. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's that dynamic to me seems like when you start doing like the application process for preschools and and you start going through that whole thing and in LA it was awful. But you know, it's like what do you mean? What am I like? They haven't achieved anything yet. what do you want me to talk about? She walks, she talks, and she's cute as shit. Like, let her in, you know? And it becomes this, like, competitive thing of what the parents are going to bring to the table.

And the truth is no one gives a shit. No one looks back and goes, that was mother of the year. She was at the preschool every day delivering donuts or whatever. Like, it means nothing in the grand scheme of things. But I think the women actually put so much pressure on themselves to perform at that level. and it's it adds up to nothing. You might as well just embrace that when we get to that stage, like we're, it's not going to go well for us.

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I think the most powerful thing you can do too, especially for a daughter, is show you, you, like what you've shown your daughters by example is incredible. Like, they couldn't have a better role model. I don't, you know what's so funny is I look at my girls every day and I'm like, how did they turn out so good? Like, I was sort of like the wild child. Like, when I was in high school, I smoked pot. I, you know, I tried, you name it.

I did it. I, like, I made it through and I always got decent grades and I never really fully fell off the wagon. Went to a good college, yada, yada. but I definitely had my fair share of experimentation and life. And I have these two great girls that are really independent, like they are in control of their education. I don't helicopter parent them.

And I've always sort of gone left of center, you know, which I was judged for by moms, like the whole time I was raising them and I'm still raising them. But I think the best thing is like the proof is in the pudding. I have these two like incredibly independent young females who are awesome. And I think it has a little bit to do with the fact that I have it. I've let them make mistakes. I don't hover over them. And they have watched me live my completely authentic and truth.

So I think because of that, they're independent, strong little women. Yeah, I think the kids that go through school and this like kind of cookie cutter, perfect, best grades, never step out of line, never get in trouble. Like, they're the ones that actually have trouble later in life because they realize the world's not this structured, simple, formulaic place. You get in the real world and it's tough and there's challenges and there's things that happen that you can't expect. And so if you're not used to dealing with a little bit of chaos as a kid and then you come

into that world, that you don't know how to handle it. Totally. Too bad you and I weren't raising kids at the same time because we would have made each other feel less guilty by just doing whatever the fuck we wanted. Why don't the girls like you? Well, first of all, I just learned yesterday that their names weren't Charlottin and Denise. What? He's so full of shit.

But he lives to... What are their names again? I'm not sure that you're meant for children. I'm not sure either. We'll see, like, Bobby is meant to parent, so you might have to give in on this one. Bobby's for sure meant for parenting. He's going to be a great, great parent. You don't want kids, Josh?

No, it's not that I don't want kids. I just really don't want kids. that right now. I think I'm too young to have a kid. How old are you? 36. No, you're a good age now. How old are you? Oh, Michael's going to get judgy on you. How do you know what a good age is? No, I think it's a good age. I think he's going to get more stuck in his ways the longer he goes.

My idea is like you don't want to be the guy that's like huffing and puffing to keep up, right? You don't want to be like... You're projecting your narrative on Josh. No, no. I think you guys would be good parents. I think you'd be surprised. And I think it would add a little bit of like a... You secretly want someone that you can bring to Hotel DuCap and put in the little tube and take Instagram photos. That's what I absolutely what I do not want as I would like to go to Hotel DuCap

and not have to deal with that shit. So we, the last time we were there, we brought our child. And it was a mess because we didn't have any help. We thought we thought we could just go. We can go to France. I can just be like hands on mom. It'll be fine. We don't need a nanny.

Holy. fucking shit. She was running around the hotel naked. She's so damn cute. But, oh my God, it was not. We were, we would separate sometimes. I'd go to the gym or she would go to the gym. Like, you know, we'd have to wait because one of us up to stay with the kid.

And we were just beat down coming back. And it's like the most relaxing place in the world and we were just beat. And I was walking back and I just heard this kid screaming bloody murder. And I got on my higher horse. I'm like, God, I'm like, somebody's got to get their fucking kid under control. I'm like, this is a nice place. I turned the corner and I see my daughter butt naked, screaming bloody murder. Lauren's laying on the bed like this.

I'm like, I'm not doing it. I said, oh shit, it's my kid. I just give up. I give up. And you want me to have a child? No, the point of the story is, is that for you to go to your hotel ducapped, you need to have a nanny. But you'll have your like staff, I feel like. At the hotel ducaf, I'm just going to bring the staff with me to the hotel decaf? Yeah, put him in another room.

It's only... Right. Okay. I feel like you would be a good parent, but it requires a little selflessness, which might be tough. Yeah. Why don't your girls like him? Because he picks on them. You know, he knows their names.

Denise and Charlotte? He ignores him. Like he walks. I think it's a tactic. He of course, 1,000 percent. Like it's his M.O. It's his whole spiel. What's the tactic? What am I gaining?

The tactic is, is that you act aloof and ignore. And then people lean in. Juliet leans in and says things like, he's an asshole. But he kind of likes it. He does. He is inspired by like a response, whether it's negative or positive. If he's getting a reaction, it works. Like he walks into the house.

He will walk by my two kids. Go to the refrigerator, open it up and be like, Mariam, like, I need a sandwich. Miriam makes great tuna, by the way. I'm the one who's the one who makes the Armenian tuna. Well, there's the Armenian tuna. The one with the oil and the olives. Yeah, I like that one. I got mad at Miriam the other dick.

She didn't make the one with the mayonnaise. No, is Miriam like a house manager? She's my housekeeper. A housekeeper. Yes. So is that entail watching the girls too? No, I have a nanny that deals with the girls. I swear to God, it's so interesting to me both of your staffs, like how you structure

it. If I didn't have like a full-time housekeeper and nanny, I wouldn't survive. So is the housekeeper there every day? Every single day. Seven days a week. No, no, sorry. during the week. During the week.

And is the nanny there when five days a week? Yes. And then is there anyone else on staff? Assistant. I just hired a personal assistant for the first time and I'm like, I don't know what to tell you to do. I feel like you're so busy. Yeah. Who books your calendar and everything?

I'm very in control of my calendar. Oh, I'm so opposite. Like I have my calendar color coded down to like, like I said, like I schedule a call. So do I. But if the call is never like, if someone schedules my call for me, and it says 30 minutes, I get pissed off, and then I shorten it to 15. Always. Because why does the call need to be 30 minutes?

It's taken up an extra 15 minutes of my free time. I do the exact same thing. I got it down to 10 minutes now sometimes. You know, it's funny, I tell people like, is that a flex? Doing this podcast has taught me how much time people, like, you can cover so much ground in 45 minutes to an hour. Yeah. A call does not, never need to be 30 minutes. But why do you just schedule the amount of time for the, I just like, here's a call.

I put it in the, that's what my call is. Because my day of calls is Wednesday. No, Josh, this is why, this is why you're getting stuck for 45 minutes. I have to be, I have to have hard stops. But I would just say to, like, I can control the conversation. I don't say it ahead of time to the person I'm going to have a call with. We're going to be talking for 45 minutes. We talk and then I get up to.

Well, but that's why you're an ineffective communicator. But how do people not go, people go on and on and on? I get, but what, you allocate a time ahead of time to them and say you have this amount of time to talk to me? I got it. No. I just, I just, I get to the fucking point. Yeah. I just get to that. And like, it's once sometimes they, maybe that's why I, a lot of of times I will part not amicably with clients because I don't appease them. Like if she's shut the fuck up about talking about the pipe in your house for 45 minutes and I'll just or what was the other day this woman is like, oh, we're talking about her house,

which it looks like dog shit. And we're talking about how why it hasn't sold yet. And I keep saying we need to reduce the price. And I give the, oh, no, we can't reduce the price. But how do we get more people here? What do we do? Can we advertise more? Should we have another open house?

There's been 16 already. And I'm just like, I don't know what to tell you. house is overpriced. And then I'm thinking to my assistant looks at me and she's like, you wonder why people fire you? Like, it's like, I don't have the patience. I almost fired you. So you, so, the house that you're in on the show, Josh sold you. I'm in a rental right now. The house that I am now gutting and almost done with is the house that he sold me. And then tell us about what happened that I saw on Instagram where he gave you the keys. Yeah, tell us that. That was a really sweet moment. It was, wasn't it? Yeah, it was.

like the most favorite moment of the season. Yeah, that was really, really cute. Tell us about that. So we genuinely, I was pushing myself probably beyond my budget. I really wanted to spend like seven and a half million max if I was going to do any work to a house. You know, I had just sold my house two years ago. I put aside some money and that was like my budget. And I pushed for this house because I wanted to remain in the flats for my girls.

And I was like, okay, I'd rather take something a little smaller. and on a littler law than and be in this neighborhood, then whatever. He showed me the house. And I just, I mean, we really negotiated for a long time. Obviously, the show, you know, tightened it up a little bit. And we got to a point where we were still a couple hundred thousand dollars apart. And I couldn't do any more. And he couldn't push his clients to take any less.

So I thought it was a dead deal. And, you know, then he came to. me and obviously you guys saw that on the show and I really had moved on like I thought it was over and then he surprised me and had given up his commission make it happen. It was very cute. That's pretty sweet. It was very sweet. Granted, he makes plenty of money. So, you know, lucky for him. It didn't really dent his style. You could have just stopped like a sentence ago. But no, but it was it was the cutest thing. It was the nicest thing anyone's done for me. So you surprised her on the show with the keys and told her I gave up my commission.

Yeah. That's cute. I thought so. See, I think you have a very warm heart. Yeah, you're a soft, Josh. I do. He's like an angel. I think people think that very unrelatable or you can't, you know, whatever, but that's not true.

Actually, I don't think, I think I'm more even warm and funny and I, like, joke around with people. Yeah, you are. Yeah. But you're just, you know, you're guarded until you, like, really let someone in. But when he lets you in, he's like, you know, the most gentle, sweet. Is that like Lisa Vanderpump guarded? Like, is that like an English? No.

Not like that. I just don't think that you, like, necessarily, you know, you're very like. There's a veneer for. Right. Yeah. Just so your house manager knows, I like a skinny margarita with a half room of salt and some jalapeno. in it and I'd love a sparkling water. Any allergies?

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first sleep, sex, stress, and strength product when you go to houseofwise.com and use the promo code skinny. Who else is guarded that we know? Bobby's not, I feel like. No. I'm trying to relate. Bobby entertaining on Instagram is I love it. Wait, who's a guarded person on TV so I can relate and I can figure out? A guarded person on TV. That I would know. Who's a, uh, which house life is guarded. Not a lot. I would say probably Lisa Vanderpump. Yeah, Lisa Vanderpump. Interesting. But like I love her energy. Like it's a good way. By the way, as a person, she's the sweetest. Yeah, no, I get along with Lisa. Yeah. We had a fight once, but. She was mad at you. You have to give us the juice. Why was she mad? We talked, she brought it up to it. I did her

podcast with her and I was at her house and she was talking shit about you because she said that you were mean to her, but that you apologize and sent flowers. And so she gave you. were you mean? I can't, like, I don't see the side of you. It wasn't mean. I was, I had one too many cocktails and I think I said to her, I said, why he was such a con. Oh, God. I can't imagine why that didn't land. Oh. Wait, hold on. I thought it was funny. Are you at the Beverly Hills Hotel when you say this? Probably. No, that's even worse. It was in her own restaurant. Oh, okay. So you walk up to her and you just ask her that sentence? Or was it like, I was trying to be playful.

And I guess that word never comes out playful. I was just like, because she was very aloof, like, I guess what I am, like, you know. And so I was like, come on, why you're such a cunt? It didn't land well. How were the flowers? Were they really pretty? I don't remember. They had to be pretty nice for her, I don't remember.

But I wish I still had the message on the machine. It was so, but this is Lisa Van derbebububb. I did receive your flowers. And I do want to let you know that I do accept your part. Wait, I do accept your apology. You were wrong. Goodbye. Something like to that effect.

Have you seen her since? Yeah, I'm fine with her. I love it. That's such a Hollywood story. Speaking of Hollywood stories, I have to ask you and Sonia. How do you guys not have your own show? Like, what is happening? You're dynamic with the Ivy mug that's as big as your head in your bed.

What? Yeah, there was like a story. She's drinking. out of her, like, her Ivy Bowl. I mean, I don't even remember what that, what it is. But, I mean, she's always, I mean, whenever she comes over, she's just like, that woman is, you just got to have. She's exhausting. She's exhausting.

She came over a thousand percent. He texted me and he goes, I'm coming over with Sonia. And I was like, oh, my God, I can't wait. Like, I'm so excited to, like, see this woman in, like, person and deal with it. We had just left a. child's, what do you call it? Like when you go in a bouncy thing. Like a birthday thing.

When there's balls everywhere or whatever. Like a bouncy house. But we didn't know the people. We saw they were having, we were walking on our street. We didn't know the people. We saw it was like balloons like a kid's party and we decided. No, you knew them. No?

No. We didn't know the people. Oh my God. I forgot to tell you that part. Oh yeah. So they were on our street and we just kind of like, and the people that kind of knew us from the show were like, can we come in and love a bunch of moms? And then we just went into the bouncy thing and we were playing for an hour.

He were definitely. She was. But, wait, how did you and Sony get connected in the first place? We met at a glory hole. What's a glory hole? Isn't that a bar with it? You never heard of a glory hole?

Look at the 70s. It's like where a dude would stick his dick through a hole and then there would be another dude on the other side. They have one of those in West Hollywood. Don't even lie. Those aren't just from the 70s. I know all the juice. There's a glory hole in West Hollywood where you go and there's guys behind. Where is this? I'll get you the address. No, it's okay, thank you.

Wait. Do they like... And you blow the dick or you... You blow the dick? You stick it in your ass or whatever. Can you? But it's for, it's mainly for guys. Like, it's, I think it's a gay...

It's definitely not for women. I mean, I don't really frequent them that often. I just thought I thought it was a good... Next time I see you all run into each other at the glory hall. For sure. Instead of the Beverly Hills. Yeah, absolutely. So you and Sonia met at a glory hole.

Absolutely. Where did you really mean? We met. I don't remember where we met. It was so long ago. I mean, she's, I don't know why we get a lot. long so well. She's a fucking wacko. Why is she exhausting? Oh my God. She's those there's just, it's the Sonia show. You know when you're in a room with like an actress that just like sucks

the air out of the room? That's kind of Sonia, but in a funny way, not in like a negative way. She's high energy. She's high energy. She's like, like she came over to my house. She was clearly buzzed. I got out a cheese plate. She devoured the entire, like it was like everywhere. and she was just like, I just, we just sat there, like, sort of an awe. Like, it's, she really does, like, demand that. But do you think she was like that before the show? For sure. Yes.

Absolutely. I feel like she's 100% authentically that human. My favorite Sonia is when she was on the show and she said that her pussy was fat. Fat? Yeah. And she said I have a fat, chubby pussy. That's, she says it on the show. I've seen her pussy a million times.

Is her pussy fat fat? I don't know how to relate it. Like, what is a fat pussy versus a thin pussy? I don't know. I feel like you know a fat pussy when you see one. Like, it's just fat. I don't think it was fat. I don't know.

Maybe wrong guy to ask. He's not like a pussy connoisseur. I don't have not a connoisseur of pussy, but it seemed like a normal pussy. It was a nice pussy, I think. I'm dead right now. I think it was a nice pussy. I feel like she probably does not have a fat pussy. It was a nice pussy.

I bet you she has a great pussy. It was a nice pussy. I've seen it quite a few times. It was a nice pussy. So when she stays over, does she leave? No. That's why I've seen her pussy so many times. She just moves in.

Well, I've seen your penis. A billion times. How is it? Well, I've never seen it hard. I've only seen it placid. Oh, you don't even get it hard for her? No. She has to look at a limp wiener.

I just, like, flopping around her face. Always, always snake. To the point where I don't even look at it anymore. Michael at least gives me a little bit of chub. I'll just walk into her house and I'll just walk into her house and drop my pants. Oh my God. Yeah, flaccid as ever. It's really unfortunate. You have to look at that thing. I'm just, it's to the point. Like, he was naked all morning. He was naked last night. Like, I have video of him standing behind me naked while I'm trying to get ready. How about when I wrestled

you naked yesterday? Like, I literally grabbed her head between my legs, like my balls in her face. Oh my God. In bed yesterday. I don't know why I tolerated it. Speaking of balls, you are dating a very good-looking hot man. Oh, he's cute. Yeah. Tell us about how that started. Do him and Josh get along? What's the dynamic?

What is the dynamic? Well, we... I just don't get along with her kids. Yeah. Anyone under the age of 30 is too young for him. Too young. Well, he's under 30. Yeah, that's true.

I think it's almost been two years now. I can't believe it. But like, we're approaching like almost a two-year mark of seeing each other, which is being wild. I'm intrigued by this. How do you guys do so well in your careers? And you're a mother and, you know, you guys have got a lot going on and film a reality show. How much work is that? Like, how do you fit this into your schedule? The thing about our show is we, it is exhausting, but we film like 10 to 12 months out of the year where a lot of reality shows are shot in like a three month period.

Right. And then it's over. Got it. We have, we're following real sales, real stories. And And so that part of it takes a long time. So it's less hours per week. I'd say we probably on average shoot like twice a week for six hours. Yeah, sometimes more than... The interviews take a long time. Sometimes more, sometimes less. But we could also sit and be interviewed for, you know, like when we're sitting there in the chair and talking on the show, like, you know, we're giving our dialogue.

That could be four hours easily. Oh, yeah. And then they cut that down to, what, five minutes or so? No. They use it throughout the story. It sounds like for one episode. I mean, well, I mean, sure. I mean, it would probably film 60 hours and it's cut down to like, or much more than that.

Is it hard to watch yourself on TV? Are you like, fuck, I shouldn't have worn that or that makeup. I don't like that me. I feel like it's harder for women because, like, you have off makeup for hair days and maybe you thought it looked good at the time. And then you have to see it like, particularly with the interview stuff because they make you wear the same thing over and over. So like once you're like nailed into a look, I bet. them. I was like, can we please? Because the guys wear one interview look for the whole season. I was like, can we please? Like, I need to change.

I can't wear this fucking shirt for one more, like it's a year of a shirt. That's stupid shirt. I don't. I sold, I sold the shirt to a fan. Like, I was like, no, I guess sent it to them and sell it. But like, I give away that. So I never want, I never want anything to do with those clothes ever again. Because they're just so, it's like Josh wearing the same thing five days in a row. It's gone from two to five now.

No, but like that would drive me nuts to have to wear the same thing and your hair and makeup has to look the same. So what if you don't like something? No. And then when you see it, you're like, oh my God. Like I had a blue,

they wanted me in bright colors. They don't like when I wear white. They don't like when I wear it. They wanted like, I remember the first season. They were like, we'd like to see you in like an emerald sort of green. And I'm like, I don't wear green. Like, sure is.

You and Emerald Green Berkin, don't you? So let me ask you both this. At this point, what's the motivation for continuing to do it? Because it seems like without it, you would still be able to do everything. Like, you must enjoy doing it at some level. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's, yeah, no, we do.

And I mean, it's obviously great for business. Has your business completely exploded since the show, or was it already exploded before? I had a very good business before the show. Keep in mind, I've been doing this since I was, I've been doing the show since I was, I've been doing the show since I was 21. Wow. I always forget that it's been around that long. Yeah.

Wow. Not 21. Yes. I started filming when I was 21 years old. You're in 13. You're not 303. No, I'm, no, I'm 36. But think about it.

It takes more than a year sometimes to film it. Like, it doesn't come out every Christmas. Yeah, that's true. It's, I started in 2000 when I was 21. Is it annoying to be recognized all the show? She's going to go do research on it. Is it annoying to be recognized all the time? I don't like it when I'm

She's much nicer than I am I don't like this morning Somebody came up to us I was like we gotta go So sweet Like she's like Oh you're like No let's get better lighting

Treat stuff What the fuck? What do you give a shit I'm like I'm like you I'm like you care Like how her picture turns out She was so excited Let's do better lighting

I'm like Because you don't want like shit lighting For anyone involved What the fuck do I care I'm gonna see this girl again Well She really cares She really cares

She was really excited And he was And you dragged me into the shit And I literally was like, I'm sorry. He's really off. If it's like on the street, like, hey, can I take a photo?

Sure. Like, let's save a bit like a lighting. Like, I'm sitting having dinner. Oh, the other day I met Mr. Chow's and this woman comes up with literally a TMZ shirt on. And her four kids, they were, they came. They were here from Arkansas for their 12th birthday or something like that. And I'm sitting there eating my Mr. Chow noodles. And the girl comes up.

It's like, can we take a photo? I'm just about to say, I'm enjoying my meal right now. And then she pushes like her girls saying, come take a photo with Josh. And literally. there's like a glass divider between each booth at Mr. Chow's whatever. And it like fell on top. It was like out of a movie like toppling on me while I'm trying to eat my news. And they're like, let's get better lighting.

I'm like, this is unreal. This is like out of a movie, like a really embarrassing movie, but they didn't seem to be bothered by it. Yeah. Now you just made me crave Mr. Chowse. I've had it like five times. This is my I'm so over it now. Well, it has MSG in it, I feel like. Talk about like sitting on the toilet.

I think you can get it without MSG. Yeah, talk about sitting on the toilet. What are you? Who's the, what, the bottom, the top after Mr. Chow's. Nobody's bottoming after Mr. Chow's. I can assure you that. By the way, that is one thing I can assume. No one has gone to Mr. Jaws and said, let's fuck afterwards.

Let's have butt sacks after Mr. Chows. That's a great idea. So fragile. Right? I will tell you, though, if you want to lose weight, the best place to go is India. I went for a month. I swear to God, I literally lost 20 pounds. You literally lost 20 pounds.

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the gut and feeling your best. Say 15% go to justthrivehealth.com slash skinny or use promo code skinny. That's just thrivehealth.com slash skinny. I don't even know why. Oh, because India is a big country. You don't realize it's like you couldn't go to the United States and see everything in like a week. Like to go through India, that's a massive country. It takes a month. So when we're to go to India, where should they start? By the way, India has the best hotels. If you can afford to travel nicely, India is by first. far the finest hotels I've ever stayed in the world. Really?

Oh, without a doubt. The, like, the Rambog Palace or Rathambor or, like, all the Amans and the Oberoi's, they're, like, insane. The Lila Palace. There's one that's, like, that's floating in the middle of a lake. It was actually an octopusy, that James Bond movie. That's an island. Like, that is a hotel in India.

You haven't taken me any. In Udaipur. I could lose some weight. I mean, you'd like to lose weight. Go to India. Okay. I mean, that's a tip. Yes.

I feel like that's kind of, though, a Sonia Morgan tip that she, like, goes, she goes to all these different. Sonia will sometimes, like, disappear and, like, she won't answer my text or calls for, like, a month. That's what they say on the show. She disappears for a month. She does. And she goes to, like, what the fuck are you? She's like, look, when I'm on, I'm on. I'm always one, one, two, one.

Sometimes I need time for myself. When I'm on, I'm on. But people think, like, I dismiss them sometimes. But I don't dismiss them. Like, if I'm not entitled to have a little time for myself. But if I'm on, I'm on. You know how me I am when I come to your house. It's all about you.

It's attention, attention, attention. But when I'm off, I'm off. I'm like, I mean, I do get that in a way. There's a little bit of a balance, I'm sure. She does colonics for, she says on the show for 30 days every day. Holy shit. Yeah. Really?

Yeah. She goes to like, she says this on the show. She goes to like Palm Springs and she does like a whole. And I'm sure she gets it done like, like, you know, trade out or something. Yeah. Of course. She's like all. Hashtag.

Hashtag. Hashtag colonics. Colonics. She's good at. She's good at that. Slipe up. She's so good at it. She's really good at it.

But, you know, it works for the person also because she's got a big fan base. So, like, all they got to do is mention the place where she's getting her butt. What are they doing a little washed out? I know. Colonic, and you're going to want to go there. 100%. We got to get the info on it. What a time to be alive.

I had a Colonic one time. You know, there's like a little window where you can, like, look and see everything. I found a gold penny. Shut the fuck. Shut the fuck. Not kidding. Shut up. I was kidding. Okay. I've had a clonic once.

Anything interesting? No, I didn't see anything interesting. I just... I've done it. Here's my thing. You can't, you can't, like, really drink alcohol for three days afterwards after it. They didn't tell me that. Oh, you probably wouldn't have like a class.

I would have had one. How about when you leave the clinic and you have to go to the bathroom there, like, before you leave the place? Yeah. And you, like, just shit it all out. It's all, it's like a fucking... I feel like it pulls the good bacteria out of your gut, though, too. That's my thing. That's why I don't like it.

It doesn't just. just pull the bad stuff out, it pulls also like your good, your good gut bacteria. I just have a celery juice. I used to do colonics, like in my late 20s. I feel like that was like a thing back in the day. You don't want to have butt sex after a colonic. Really? I feel like you have all these tips that you've been holding back on. That's when I first got with Bobby. I was like, I'm going to try to bottom or whatever. So I'm so crazy. I'm like, I'm going to go get a calonic first. And then I realized that was not a great idea. Are you supposed to do what's it called it, like a douche? That would probably be.

My friend takes a bathroom, not a bathroom, but takes a bath in hydrogen peroxide. What? Yeah, he said that works. What is the point of that? I don't understand. He says it cleans. You know what I'm talking about. How is that pot?

Wait. He says it cleans his butthole from the inside of. Does he shit in the bath while he's in there? I didn't ask for directions. What? That's what he said. He fades in hydrocloth. I'll do a swipe up.

Anytime I start to feel like I'm a little off, I hear stories like this. I'm like, all right. So wait, then he goes from the. And just shits everything out? No, no, no, no. It doesn't make you shit everything out. It just cleans it. It just like bleaches and cleans everything.

Okay. That's what, I don't know. That's what I heard. What is someone, or what is something that someone wouldn't know about each of you? You're on TV, you're public on social media. What's something like that you like to do when you're off or something that you don't talk about because you're obviously talking about real estate? I mean, it's not like a secret of that.

I just love interior design. and I love art and I love furniture. So I'm always going to auctions or I'm going to the furniture stores or, you know, whatever. Same. Are auctions cool? I've never been to one. Oh, there's so much fun. It's auction week right now in New York, actually.

Wait, so you go and it's just a bunch of people that just want to sell all their stuff right away. It's dangerous. Not right away. Well, actually, I don't know if you guys have heard about the Macallo collection in New York right now, is about $400 million of art that's being auctioned. It's either Christie's or Sotheby's, but it's really funny. It's kind of sick. This guy, Harry Macalow, has been married to this woman for like 60 plus years.

He's like 90 and she's like 80 something. And so he left her for this 20-year-old woman. And he owns the building across the street from her apartment on Park Avenue. And he puts up on the entire building a huge picture of him and his new wife. So every time she opens the curtains, she has to look at the new Mrs. Macalow. And the courts, they hate each other so much. They would not agree. Finally, the judge goes, fuck it.

You're liquidating everything. And so all the shit is like $400 million of dollars of art has gone to auction this week. My guess is he's going to probably bid and buy it back himself. That's my gut. But anyway, that's so that they literally could not agree on anything. The courts made them liquidate everything. Wow. Yeah.

Why are you not flying to New York? I feel like you need to go there. I wanted to go. Actually, this weekend, I was going to go Candy's telling her. We're going to go to New York. And then we decided we're going to Vegas on Saturday night. We're going to drive. That'll be fun.

Uh-huh. What's candy spelling like? Tell me about candy spelling. Is she fab? She's amazing. She was FaceTiming with him yesterday from her silver closet. Oh, she has different color closets. Oh, you don't understand. It's not a silver club. Like you open inside a little client. It is the, it's actually larger than this room. It is a fully lined room with. For her silver. For just the silver. And it is. Hold on. Silver like not like clothes. Not like clothes. No, no, no. Oh, we'll talk about the closet in a second. Like like like. Silver like for for forks. knives, salt and pepper cellars, platters, everything. This is what I had to listen to.

Like, Josh FaceTiming about napkin rings with candy for a solid 30 minutes. And she was like talking about how this one, this was like a surprise napkin ring that was like cheaper, but like you don't need to spend. Like she's. Well, no, we were talking about. Hilarious. Because I'm having a dinner party on Saturday night and she's coming. And then we decided we'll drive to Vegas after the party. So that's like 10 p.m. or whatever.

So why drive? because she doesn't want to fly right now. Aaron's spelling never flew a day in his life. It's true. How'd you know that? Because I've read every single Torrey spelling book and Candy's book. So Aaron would not fly ever. And so, and you know, I'm very close with Tori also.

I have totally separate relationship. I'm going to ask you about that, don't worry. I'm waiting for it. So we have, so any, Aaron wins fly. So they actually at one time took a coach, like not like a horse and carriage on the western, like by train and went by train, their own private coach across. But basically they would go to Vegas and stay. day, like when Aaron was filming in Las Vegas, they'd take out the top floor of the Sahara or whatever the hotel was at the time or whatever.

But so anyway, so she's like a big gambler. And so she's got the hookup at all the hotels. And so I said, look, let's get, she has a chauffeur. Let's take the driver or all drive. We'll pick one of the two. And we'll go to Vegas and we'll go to the furniture mart because she and I both love getting deals on things. She loves a good deal. Like we went the other day downtown. We went to get discount. candles. Yes. I ended up spending $2,000 on the candles, but it would have been $5,000 retail. So you spent $100 on the candle, 17 ducks up candle. We went downtown to the wholesale place. How many candles are you buying? I bought 200 candles. Or no, I bought 100 candles for dinner parties for dinner parties. No, like, you know, you have like diptee candles throughout the house, that kind of stuff. Okay, okay. And then after that we went to Philippe's for French dips. She had a, what do you call it? They had pickled pigs feet there. Yes.

See, I can get on more with, I like this more than like any day of the week, a club or a, yeah. The pickled pig's feet and like finding candles. Like this sounds fun. Yeah. So, but it was, I mean, you should have seen everybody like at Philipp's. It's like people, like there's sawdust on the floor. So the chauffeur opens the door for us. It was like out of a movie.

It was like, I'm trying to think of that move. It was just, it was really. So I remember that movie like Richie Rich when he arrives at the at the playground in a limousine? It was like that funny because it was like so out of whack. We're like literally downtown at a sandwich shop. She's, so anyway, so that was. But I love that about her how just a position she is. Oh, she's, yeah, she's totally a normal, like she does, like her closet.

By the way, she has a 4,600 square foot closet. I have never in my life seen anything like this in my life. I didn't believe it. Wait, I can't picture that in my head. Like, how big is that? It's like the size of my house. It's like a, it's like a four or five bedroom home. It is two stories.

It is insane. She has a collection just for the dog clothing. She has a collection just for the purse. She has, you've never seen anything like this. There's a dog section. We talk like around, like the other morning. We were up till like three in the morning on the phone. We talk at like one to three in the morning.

Nikki Haskell and I too, like, they don't sleep. So she and I love criminal minds. So we watch late at nine. We're like, did you watch this episode, whatever? Sunday night where she's a big horror film person. We're going to watch the scariest movie we can find. We're going to screen it upstairs. Which is?

We don't know yet. We have to find what's the scariest movie a lot. Strangers is. You know what you didn't talk about? What? Her wrapping paper. it. Ironically, the wrapping room is impressive, but it's not nearly as impressive

as the silver room. But who has a wrapping paper closet? I know a lot of people who have that. I don't understand that, by the way. It's like, why the fuck would you go to Hermes and then wrap your own present? That doesn't make any sense. That doesn't make any. That doesn't make a lot of sense. It's a thing, people, I think it's a thing of the 80s, like wrapping, I don't know what it is, but the silver closet is super impressive. Okay. Are Tori and Candy on good

terms? I think so. I think it's a lot more built up in the press. Like, it's, it's not like what people, like, people think that, like, they don't talk to it. It's not true. They, that is, is. Do they spend holidays together? I, I would say they have a challenging relationship, but it is not, it's far from what people think it is. I love Tori spelling, too, though. She's, Tori spelling is like, I love Tori. Yeah. I heard you guys on Heather McDonald. And I heard you on Heather McDonald. And you guys seem like you have a really good. I have a really close relationship with Tori, yeah. I mean, she's, she's so funny. I mean,

like you can just, she's great because you can make fun of her and she can play along with it. Yeah, she's in on the joke. Like if you watch any of the interviews I've done on her on my Instagram, like when I've interviewed her, like, it's hysterical. Like she's just like, you can, she's like Sonia or actually Tracy too, easy. Like you can poke fun. You can say whatever you want and they'll go with it. Yeah. She seems like she doesn't, she seems like she's had a crazy childhood.

Like no one has had a childhood like Tori spelling, number one. Yeah. And number two, she just seems like. like she rolls with the punches and it doesn't take Hollywood too seriously. 100%. Her books are really good, too. She's a great writer. You would love it.

She's a great writer. She's funny. She hits all the points. I have a book coming out soon. Oh, that's something that you can tell our audience that we didn't know about you. Tell us. Well, it's coming out in, I think, six months. We just finished it.

Is it how to clean your butthole before being a bottom? Absolutely. First chapter, Mr. Chow's. Yeah, first chapter, Mr. Chow's. Second chapter, Bangladesh. Yeah, it covers that. And then, no, it'll come out next summer. It's, it's, uh, what's it called?

Do you have title yet? We have, we have, we have options. It's not, we haven't chosen the actual title yet. Is it a how to? No, it's not like a stupid how to like, this is who you sell real. It gives examples. It gives stories that like actually, it's good because it's actually entertaining. And it gives stories and examples of things that have happened to me and why you should

or shouldn't do this. It's like, this is like what you need to do and it's, it's not a boring book. I can tell you that. I can see your second book being an entertaining. entertaining. This is my third book. Oh, your third book. Excuse me.

Your third book or your fourth book. I can see it being an entertaining how to dress Emily Post kind of five. I would like to do that, but that doesn't sell. Oh, God, though. I would love. I've always wanted to do a copy table book on the top hotels of the world or table scapes or whatnot, but this doesn't. I actually think it'll sell better than you think.

I think it would sell. I'm just going by what Harper Collins has told me. Okay, well, maybe you should talk to Simon and Schuster. We should. Or a different one. I feel like an Emily Post updated Josh Flagg situation would crush it. I would love to read it. I would too.

This is your third book? Yeah. Wow. Yeah. And what's your first and your second? I'm going to go read all your books. First was a million dollar. Please don't read the first.

Okay. The first was a million dollar agent. Why can't I read the first? It was very obnoxious and tragic. The second one was about my grandmother. And then the third one was, was this one coming up. Okay. I'm going to go read the second one then.

Okay. And you wrote a book too. I did. Okay, tell us about that. It's called Fear. I brought you a copy. I can because she left 10 copies in my house. He did.

Well, it's called Fear is just a four-letter word. And it's a book about, you know, owning the rooms that you walk into and figuring out how to navigate life and business and be authentic and without being scared. You know, someone was doing my makeup probably like two months ago. And we were talking about how when I get my makeup done, I work on my computer or take calls. And I said, you know, I'm sorry. I'm working. I don't mean to be rude. And she said, oh, no, no, no, no, she's rude. No, no, no, no. She didn't say rude, actually, at all. And I said, oh, I'm interviewing her. I can't wait. She said, oh, my God, you're going to love her. And then she said, she is the hardest working woman I have ever done makeup on. She works and works and works. She's such a hustler, but she's also warm. Oh. Yeah. Very, very nice about you.

Well, that's nice. You know who this woman is? I'm guessing it's Haley. She does my makeup a lot. She has dark hair. It wasn't Haley. No, it was. Somebody else.

Soddy. Shottie. Oh, she's supposed to. Hi, Shottie. Hi, Shottie. She gave me a very nice compliment. She's so sweet. So did.

I think Haley and Heckman. She's great. Yes, both those girls are very talented. I am definitely going to be reading your book. Oh. Yeah. Thank you. I feel like you are such a great role model for women.

It was terrifying, but it was when I, I joined the show, it obviously, like the thing that talked about, like the first female on the show and the whole male dominated thing. And I didn't even really think about it in the beginning. And then after the first year, it was always sort of talked about on podcasts and interviews and stuff like that. And I said, I really think I should probably do something and take advantage of that opportunity and talk about it more, like in a more authentic way. And so that's how the book got started. And I remember when we were talking about titles. And I was like, I don't know.

I cuss a lot. What was the original title? I liked that title. You were going to, there's something you were going to call out of then. You need to be on board with the new title. You need to be like, I love the new title.

No, no, no. I fought for fear as just a four-letter word. And they didn't want that to be the title because they thought. And then it turned out, they, you know, when we did the cover,

it made sense. And then, you know, we were going to launch it and yada, and I was terrified. obviously never wrote a book before. And then the pandemic happened. And then I was even more terrified to launch a book in the middle of a pandemic. And then the word fear being on the book and everybody was sort of living, it just ended up doing really well in the first couple of weeks

and became a bestseller and shocking. I can't wait to read both your books. I'm going to buy the book on your grandma. I can't wait to read that. I know. I'll send it either. No, I want to buy it. I want to read it. That sounds really, really good. I'm a big, big celebrity memoir biography person. Who's your favorite? Who's your favorite one? I just finished the world according to Joan, which Nikki would appreciate. I bought every single Joan Collins book that I could find, even though they were like so expensive on eBay. My neighbor was. I'm literally across, like, I'm out my door, like across the street.

Really? Yeah. The house directly across. That's cool. Really cool. And owned the one next door that Pacino rents and has lived in for 20 years. I lived across the street from Olivia Newton-John. That's cool, too.

Her auto body is good. Oh, really? You read it? Yeah, her autobiography is really good. You know who else is surprisingly really good? Anthony Kedis of scar tissue. His book's really good if you want a celebrity drug memoir. I actually believe that would be kind of a cool, interesting read.

Phenomenal. And he actually wrote it was Arnold Schwarzenegger's. Oh, my God. My boyfriend would die. Because he goes through and he, like, it's... He wrote it. Yeah, he wrote it. His story is really interesting.

When he ends the... This won't ruin anything because everyone knows what happened. But he's like, imagine, like, basically he said, if you were to try to make this story up about an immigrant that, you know, from Austria, that came, became a bodybuilding champion in the world, that became the biggest actor, then became the governor of California, married a Kennedy. But you know, Schwarzenegger made a bunch of money in real estate before he ever became an actor. I didn't know.

He did that, like, he was smart. He did that so that he would not be forced to take shitty roles. So he had the real estate. What kind of real estate? Commercial. He did a bunch. Where is this? Santa Monica.

You need to, my boyfriend is obsess. with him. It's like his idol. So I hear about Schwarzenegger's story all the time. He owns a bunch of shit still in Santa Monica. When he was like 20, he's got into it. Oh, didn't he have a restaurant? Didn't he called Shotskies or Shots? Was that his? I don't know. I think he was also a partner in the planet Hollywoods.

That was a real success. Yeah, I think that thing didn't know too well. You know who's else? Autobiography is amazing. I feel like you'll know. Jerry Weintraub. Yeah, I didn't read it, but I mean, he was a fascinating guy. That is a good one. I read that book on Dave. It was good. And of course, Nikki.

How about Bob Evans? Have you read? Love that one. The kid stays in the pictures by far of the best book of all time. I always try to pick Nikki's brain on all that. Oh, Nicky's, I mean... They were super close, huh? Yeah, Nikki needs a book. Where's Nikki's book?

Right now they're doing something like maybe a documentary on her. I mean, Nick, Nikki really does need a book. Yeah, she needs a book. I mean, it's... But the thing is that, yeah, no, she could get a book. She should. Yeah, she should. Okay.

What are you guys working on? Where can everyone find you, pimp yourself out? Tell us about your YouTube show, what you're working on now. Give us all the details where they can. and follow you. Josh Flagg 1 on Instagram. Why one? Because some motherfucker took Josh Flag and he won't give it to me.

Can we do The Josh Flag? I've had it for so long. Can you change it once? Yeah, you can change it. And the one feels like an AIM. Yeah. It's like I didn't even know that. Yeah.

What? The one. The one. This asshole won't fucking let me have it. And he's like some musician in Tennessee. I'm like, and he has three followers. Like, give me my name. What about the Josh Flag?

I could change it, I guess. But that's shit. register right now. Someone's going to take it. Wait, what was the other one? Oh, then on TikTok, my TikTok's kind of blowing up now. It's like, it's really, it's really good. I know, because you get notifications. You're so excited about it. I did one yesterday with Cameron Diaz. It was really funny. What is it? She was in my kitchen and she, I walk in and I'm like going to get myself a sandwich. I go, oh, hello, Cameron Diaz. Why are you in my kitchen right now? And she's like, oh,

Hi, and Olympia and her having a glass, our housekeeper, having a glass of wine together. I'm like, they're like chit-chatting, ignoring me. I'm like, okay, I'm just going to go make myself a sandwich and they're like ignoring me. And it's really funny. That's amazing. Yeah. Cameron Diaz just wants to come over and shoot this or is this a plan shoot? He's bought so much wine that.

No, nothing to do with that. She does have a great wine, though. No, they were filming the segment in my kitchen. It's organic and like no sugar and all the things. Avali. Yeah. I like that wine too. But I let them use my kitchen.

Oh, yeah, you have a wine too. Yes, I do. Mine's no sugar. Oh, I didn't know you have a wine. Yes, we just launched it. It's called Unsweet. It's the first zero calorie wine, no additives. I need that.

I mean, you know, which I didn't even pay attention to because I never really gave a shit, but there's no ingredients. There's no nutritional information on bottles of wine in the U.S. But in Europe, there actually is nutritional information. So I was like, these two girls came to me and they were like, we really think that this is something that we should launch in the U.S. And I said, I don't, I don't really care about like what's in wine. I do. Like when I drink. I do.

And then they convinced me otherwise. I don't want to drink all that sugar and wake up with a hangover with puffy face. Like the story of my life. Yeah. It's like, I just, why do I want all those extra calories if I'm going to be drinking? I love that there's no sugar in it. Yeah. It's really, like, we launched a Pinot Grigio and a red, and I'm working on a Chardonnay, because I'm a Chardonnay girl.

And there's a Cava, which is a Spanish champagne. Yeah. And it's really, really good and affordable. And where... Where do you buy it? Well, right now, we just got our distribution for the whole U.S., and there's something that's coming up. I haven't shared with you yet. I love how you ask questions that you.

you might already know the answer to. I really didn't know. I was just trying to plug your shit. You can get it on unsweetwine.com, but we're about to start distributing it nationwide. Right now, you can only get it in California. And your Instagram handle? At Tracy Tudor. You guys are a barrel of fun.

Come back any time. I could have asked you so many more questions. I mean, I really didn't even know where to take this. We talked about bleaching butholes. Absolutely. Colonics, candy spellings, wrapping closet. Her silver room. Oh, my God.

The silver room. insane. Dvorce. Kids. PTA. PTA. I mean, geez. We went there. Bangladesh. Bangladesh. Yeah. How do you categorize this episode? I'm going to let Michael do it. Miscellaneous.

Miscellaneous. I have no idea how you categorize it. Thank you guys for coming on. Truly come back anytime next time, though. I think we should do it in L.A. because the lighting is the best in L.A. Oh, well, that we love that light. And lighting is important to me and Tracy. Hell yeah. Thank you guys.

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