The Bossticks - Noy Skincare's Danna Omari On Cancer Diagnosis, Overcoming Life's Most Challenging Obstacles, & Vulnerability As A Superpower

Episode Date: May 11, 2023

#569: Today we're sitting down with Danna Omari. Danna is the founder of Noy skincare, an intimate skin wellness studio in New York City. She's been in the industry for over 15 years & improving skin is her greatest passion. She struggled with acne while growing up and through that, found her calling. She became well known in the industry for her buccal massage facial and taking a different approach to skincare. Danna joins us today to discuss her whole story, how she discovered buccal massage and learned how to be the best at it, what facial massage is and why it's beneficial for your skin, and she gets into how facial massage has grown and evolved over the last few years. She also gets into her personal battle with cancer, why it's important to find root causes to everything, her healing journey & overcoming addiction to painkillers, and she gives the audience tips on how to eliminate stress from your life. To connect with Danna Omari click HERE To connect with Lauryn Evarts click HERE To connect with Michael Bosstick click HERE Read More on The Skinny Confidential HERE Subscribe to our YouTube channel HERE For Detailed Show Notes visit TSCPODCAST.COM To Call the Him & Her Hotline call: 1-833-SKINNYS (754-6697) This episode is brought to you by The Skinny Confidential This episode is brought to you by the Natural Diamonds Council From Canada to Africa to Australia, the natural diamond industry has transformed local communities from which the diamonds originate with healthcare, education, and infrastructure over the last two decades and is committed to continued progress. Discover so many more natural diamond truths at naturaldiamonds.com/thankyou This episode is brought to you by Topgolf The Topgolf experience has a vibe – it's all about play and having fun. Download the Topgolf app today & book a bay. This episode is brought to you by Ritual Ritual knows it's basically impossible to get all the nutrients you need from your diet 100% of the time, so they made a multivitamin that helps you focus on what's important. Like filling key nutrient gaps to support foundational health. Go to ritual.com/skinny to receive 10% off your first 3 months. This episode is brought to you by Zoc Doc Zocdoc is the only FREE app that lets you find AND book doctors who are patient-reviewed, take your insurance, are available when you need them and treat almost every condition under the sun. Go to zocdoc.com/skinny to download the app & book with a top-rated doctor today. This episode is brought to you by Sunday for Dogs Sundays is air-dried dog food made from a short list of human-grade ingredients. Unlike other fresh dog food brands, Sundays is zero prep, zero mess, and zero stress. Get 35% off your first order by going to SundaysForDogs.com/SKINNY or use code SKINNY at checkout. Produced by Dear Media

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and radiating down my leg. Pain, like you can't imagine, I didn't sleep for a year and a half. It was like somebody was stabbing me with a knife, and I was just the stupidest person. To be like, this is chronic and it's normal, and I'll just have to deal with it, and no, you know, like, I don't know what was wrong with me. I just don't know.

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I am so excited to have you here. I have followed you on Instagram and TikTok, as I know so many people have, forever, because I feel like you're the queen of facial massage. It's really nice of you. I do love, I love facial massage. And it's so much more than that. It is. It's so much.

And we'll get into it. Yeah. But you really are. And that's, I had you in my book because I just look up to you so much with the skincare space. In person, your skin is absolutely glowing. But I also wanted to get your story. You felt an incredible community. I want to sort of hear how this all started.

So can you take us back to when you first launched Instagram? What was that like? Was the first video facial massage themed? So I tried it in 2014 after having my first daughter. That was the first time I even. logged in to Instagram. And I was like, oh, I'll try this for the business. We opened in 2012, Dave and I, my husband. It was a really cute little, you know, boutique spa in Midtown, Manhattan. And it did really well, but I was working like intense, like from nine to nine. He was in the

front desk, taking appointments, booking clients. And I was just like building the reputation, Yelp reviews, and that's how we really grew a clientele, brought some other girls to work, train them, did all that. But I knew, and I was having babies throughout this whole time. It was a really beautiful time, but I knew that it wasn't it what I learned in school. Like cleaning the skin, you know, extracting, and I'll see you in a month, or microderm abrasion, lasers, all of that, beautiful. It's beautiful for the skin, but I knew that it was. It wasn't really what changes the skin long lasting, like giving long lasting results. So I wanted to delve deeper.

I always just wanted to learn more massage techniques. And I didn't know. I tried like, you know, courses here and there continuing education courses, but they were, it wasn't it. I remember in 2017, after trying Instagram in 2014, which failed. I just stopped. I remember 2017. I looked this man up. His name was Yaakov. I know you saw him. Remember him? No, but I'm going to learn. I think that's when I first started following you. Actually, maybe. Was he there was, he would like do videos in that conference? Russian man. I do remember. Who has like hands that are. Yeah, yeah. I do remember now. It took me a second. Yeah. It's not in the old memory bank. I'm not, you know, this is, you know, I'm learning here. Yeah. He's, he felt like when I got facial massage from me. You got it from him, right? Yeah. It felt like he took. a needle and popped my face. Like it was so snatched. It was like I went through. It was magic.

What happened to him? He's still around. He's still around. He's still around. Go on. So I was like, no, no, no, no, no. I found him. I just Googled. I didn't even know how I found him. But I saw him work. Like I was Googling, facial massage, whatever, all these different things. And I saw his, his hands move. And I was like, no, I have to learn that now. I have to learn that. Nobody does that. here, you know? And I just, it was like, you know, that aha moment. So then I message him on Facebook at the time I had Facebook. And I was like, you have to come train in New York. And he's like, no, I've never been in America. Like I've, and he was Israeli. So Russian is really. So I could communicate with him in Hebrew because I can't speak Russian, clearly. So he was like, let me,

and I was begging him. And I kept calling, like, writing him. and kind of bothering him. And then he's like, let me just see. I'll reach out to you if and when this happens. And then a couple months later, he messaged me on Facebook and he was like, we're actually going to get something together in Staten Island in August. And I would love for you to come. So I was like, amazing. I'm coming. He's like, just FYI, it's in Russian. So I was like, okay, I'll come. Like, I'll use my eyes. So I go. It was like really, really like. very unprofessional. Now it's very different. But I know he has like translators and he even learned the language more. Imagine the first one was just like, where am I? You know, like it was, I was communicating

with him in Hebrew a little bit, but like I didn't know what I was doing and I would go home to my husband. This was like four days back and forth from Long Island to Staten Island. And this is my personality. I'm just like, I need to learn it and I need to be the best at it. So then I went to Dave and I was like, I just can't do this. Like, I suck. Everyone's getting it because they were all speaking Russian. And I'm just not getting it. And he's like, just keep going, you know? So I went. I learned it. I left. I was like, I don't know what I'm going to do with this, you know? So then I kept like practicing during my facials, just some of the moves. It was so bad in the beginning. This was September now, 2017. So right before Megan Markle got engaged. So timing was everything.

And during this time, I started Instagram. So it was like, I don't know. It was just everything came into place. I started Instagram, but different this time. I had this moment where I was like, nobody, no celebrity aesthetician that I follow feels like relatable and is showing us the ins of the industry is teaching us. They were just showing products, talking about them. Fluffy.

be very, very superficial. And I was like, I have to do what they do for makeup, but I have to do like massage on myself. And like visual, I'm a visual person, so I want to see it visually. That was like the moment where everything changed. Because from then on, what you see now on Instagram, that was not the case back then. Nobody was doing skincare videos. They were all doing makeup tutorials. I was, at that time, my husband found a, like, an, independent PR, you know, women still in touch with her. And he was like, let's just try this out. Let's see what we could do. Like what we could do with this. She's like, you need an angle. You know, like you're an anesthetian. That's great. And my husband's like, you know, he's like my biggest

cheerleader. So he's like, no, no, no. She's like, she's going to get into this magazine and she's going to kill it. And she's like, no, you need an angle. So she was like, we need to go with the buckle. I'm like, I just learned it. Like, I really don't know how to do it. She was like, you have to just fake it. You have to fake it. So I practice, practice. I had a Russian, a really good client who was Russian who translated the video that I bought. And she was like, because it's all about the intricacies of this massage.

And just really quick for people that don't know what the buckle massages, explain it to everyone. It's an inner mouth massage. So first he starts, you know, it's external and then really, really relaxing and strengthening every single main muscle of the face. and neck. It improves the posture of the face. So it really sculpts and changes the face in a way that we didn't learn in school. You know, and then when you go inside the mouth, it's all about working simultaneously inside and outside at the same time to create that lift working on the tiny muscles that we can't access. Yes. Yes, because we can't access those tiny muscles from outside. So going inside, and you could do this on yourself. It's very intuitive. There are no rules for

I wouldn't recommend any esthetic just do it on someone else because that's an art but on yourself it's just doing it. I'll show you how to do it. You go in your mouth. I don't need listen. Well actually you can show me how to do it today and then I'll show them how to it. It's so easy. But you can also I feel like

the massage that you do too and we can get into this in a second but it sculpts even like the fine lines the wrinkles it molds them out what she does. Softens them. Yes. Nothing that I do is like going to get rid of your wrinkles or it softens wrinkles, it softens your frown lines, your laugh lines, but it improves the posture of the face. It does create a lift and depuff.

It's like a workout for your face. Yes, yes. And it feels amazing because so many people hold so much tension in their face. Let me tell you what you do to me, Lauren. I don't think you understand. She holds these back on me. She goes and gets these services. Yeah, I booked it today.

She does it all. She takes like the ones that are like tens of tens. You can go with me today and get like 10 minutes of buckle. You're sending me to somebody. He's never done the buckle? No, maybe I'll bring him today. He's never done the buckle? No, maybe I'll bring you when you can do the buckle for 10 minutes.

Well, I got to go up to midtown, but maybe. Oh, okay. All right, go on. You can do it on him. Okay. I'll teach you. Do I give him a hand job while I'm doing it on him? What else do I need to do?

I don't know. I don't know how that's going to go. That's part of it. I don't know how that's going to go. You need two hands over here. Yonkov didn't teach me that. And I remember that you got a facial with him. I found him on Instagram and I was like literally he was in a different country and I was like yeah

I need you to work on me yeah I did the same to you I just haven't had a chance to anyways we'll get we'll get yeah this is why women are going to rule the world because there's no way a man's gonna see go to you're persistent you know I was like I was annoying never mind no he was in Russia I'll find someone I'd be like well yeah Russia not have you know I literally found him in Russia and I was like this is why I said like me and Wolf aren't doing that way so you probably haven't had something like that before, right? It was insane. It was insane. Very unique. It's unique. Okay, so, so go back. I wouldn't even get a haircut if the guy's, you know, 30 minutes away. Your PR agent says the unique angle. Yeah, because this massage is very important to know the intricacies. Like, that's my work.

You know, it's not just going like this on the face. You have to move your body. You have to follow through. You have to use your finger pads. You have, there's so many details that if you don't learn it properly, you're going to practice missing those details. And it's just not the same. experience or effect. So I knew that. Just I knew that intuitively. That's what I'm always saying. I always felt like I needed to be massaging women's face, not extracting. Like that's not my thing. I work more holistically with the skin with the lymphatic system where we bring about a change to really create, you know, an improvement in skin condition. So I started doing that with my, with my friend, with my client, and then my mother-in-law, because Dave is Russian. So my mother-in-law,

I made her sit with me and translate it for me. So I did this and then I brought clients just practicing on them taking before and afters. It's insane. And it was amazing. And I got good because of all of the practice for this PR thing, I got good. And they still kind of sucked. And then Megan Marco got engaged.

She was putting out feelers. My PR girl was putting out feelers. I got that. Nobody was interested. nobody. She got engaged, Megan Markle, and suddenly her phone was ringing off the hook and she got me into E. Wait, wait, wait. Because you did her? No. Megan Markle came out and said her beauty secret. Sorry, yes. Is buckle massage. Yes. And in London, I think she was getting it. She was getting it in London. And because she had gained so much popularity, people were then searching buckle massage. And they're like,

everybody. And I was really the only one here. news, I was like freaking out because this was like a national television. I was just like, I don't know if I could do this. I didn't know what I was doing. They came to my spa. They filmed every, it was a segment, you know, and then the cut New York Magazine, then it went to like BuzzFeed, real, all of these publications. I blog about it. It's, I have a blog post on my blog I remember. Yeah, there was, I did a blog post on it. It was like it was like it was fire because Megan Markle got it. You jump it on the trailer or what? Yeah. She did.

I did. Who doesn't want their buckles removed? I mean, not removed. Yeah, worked on. But I want that facial. No, you don't. And people are doing it. No, we'll get into that too.

I mean, do not remove your buckles. No. But go on. So, yeah. So then I, because I started doing all of these publicate, like all of these PR, this PR tour kind of thing, I got and started booking up with it. Because when I went to learn it with him, I didn't know if people. are going to even book this.

You know, who would, and you have to charge because it's so much work. It really is. So, like, I was like, who's going to pay that? Or who's, who's going to book this? Who's going to care? Pay what at the time? Actually, not a lot at the time.

What was it at the time? I think he recommended something like price gone up. Yeah, the price has gone up. Yeah. So, I have 500 people and over on a wait list. How did I get in? I don't take clients at the moment. So you got in.

Is that a power move, Lauren? It's just for Lauren. Wow. I'm crying. I'm so excited. No, it's my pleasure to do. I didn't know that. No, I'll be.

I just asked. I'm like, I should have known you of a weightless. No, but I knew, I knew that I, I knew that I would be, I would be 20. It obviously sounds labor and how long does it take? 90 minutes. Okay. Because I also combined guasha with it, which has also exploded. So yes.

No, so I, I, I, I, I, I, started getting booked up from the from e and from new york magazine and i just all that practice i got so good at it you know and then i started filming myself doing it and putting it on instagram and that was even you know that exploded even more now every ascetician wants to learn it and everyone wants to incorporate it into their into their book and now clients they want this the one treatment that people want over and over and over again is this, not microcurrent, which lifts and sculpts the face beautifully, this one. They want me to go inside their mouth because it's just so, it releases emotions, it releases blockages. It's, many people cry. Brano called you yesterday. Our friend Brano and was

like, I just got this buckle massage to you. Well, I imagine to, he was like telling you about it. Really? Yeah, a guy friend. I was telling you about it. But I imagine it's because it's an area of the body that is not getting any kind of attention for 30, 40 plus years and all of a sudden, yeah. Ever, you know? And we hold so much in our face, trauma, whatever it is, and to unload it is so powerful. It's like, and I feel like when I'm doing this facial, first, I'm going to another space because it's also very, and this is the art of it. It doesn't happen in the beginning, you know? I'm like releasing things from my body. It's like I'm taking it from them and just releasing it from them.

It's crazy. I'm like a vessel. So it's a very energetic. It's a transfer of energy. Yes, but I don't hold it. But you don't hold it. And I've heard from other facialists that I've worked with that you do have to have almost a barrier to other people's energy when you're working that close on someone.

For sure. What is that like? Like you have to like, you have to. like actually talk or think about, I need to take this energy and sort of wash it off? That's the thing. That's where experience comes along because I also used to absorb all of that energy. And with time, you just learn to, I'm not just doing this on somebody. It's like a treatment for me as well. And so it becomes the therapy for me. It's crazy. I love it. I love doing it. So while you're working so hard being a mother, being a wife, building your business, you're jam-packed, are you also taking care of yourself?

No. Yeah. Which is why I'm not seeing clients right now. Okay. Because I don't know how to do both of them. And that's something I have to figure out. I care so much and I put so much. And right before COVID, January, right before COVID, we signed on for a huge space.

that you will be coming to today in Nomad, and then the world shut down. So, yeah, I had Instagram at that point. We had just started. I was doing tutorials. I started really speaking about products and skincare and helping women from all over the world. And Dave was wrapping in the basement, shipping. COVID happened, and I was like, don't worry. Like, everything's going to be fine.

I'm just going to, like, take it up a notch on Instagram because I'm home. you know, I was like, there's literally nothing to worry about. And I exploded in COVID, like so many people. Well, you were able. Our e-commerce blew up. Specifically. You were able to, to take all the time that you had spent with other clients and put it back and make a massive business about it. I mean, I remember, I think during COVID going on your site and trying to buy the reflexology tool that you sell and it was sold out. Minutes in minutes. Yeah. Yeah. I remember that. And I didn't, even plan on making a reflexology tool. It was literally, you know, I learned facial reflexology, which we could talk about. It's incredible. I was like, just look up facial reflexology tool

because everyone wants to know what I have, right? So I was like, they don't sell this one. I just got it with my course. So I ended up making a tool because they wanted a tool. But the tool came out so beautifully perfect that now, you know, it's a bummer. It's all over. over what are Alibaba and esthetians who follow me sell it as their own design. And it's sad. You know, it's like, I wish I'm sure this happens to your things as well or will happen. It's part of the game. I mean, but that is hard. It's hard. It's part of the game. You got, you got, you know how you go in with the energy of getting off your clients? You have to do the same with that.

I know. No. No. Oh, I know. I don't know if that helps. I've let it go. Yeah. I've let it go. But it's really frustrating when like, I see, I don't care if they're like, I got a copy off of, but when they pass it on as their own, it's like they consume my content and then they, they also, it's, it's very, it's just so weird to me. But can you become a wholesaler where they can buy it? I will. Okay. That's what I would do.

It's just with everything that's happened with my health, I've been operating at like 10%. So talk to us about that. Talk to us about before. I think it's a common theme too. We have a lot of, I would consider you a healer in ways. Right? Yeah, she has a healer. And we have people in our lives that are in different walks, like some of them working on the body, some of them working, you know. And one common thing we see with a lot of people that are in that kind of like level or that field, right, is that many of them struggle to take care of themselves because they're so consumed taking care of other people. Right. It's unfortunate. Yeah, it's sometimes like we'll sometimes say to people in our lives that work in different areas will say like, hey, you got to take care of yourself too because you could say like their nervous systems are shot. Especially ones that are at the top. No, they don't. They won't until. a crisis happens. And that's what I want to, that's why I do want to share my story a little bit more. I'm always apprehensive, but it just won't happen until you, you're met with a crisis, which is unfortunate, you know? So walk us back to the first inclination that you had that something

was wrong. And maybe it's even like, not even like a pain somewhere. Maybe it was just a feeling. My health started to decline after I had my third, my son. So that was the year where things blew up on social and the PR and Megan Markle getting engaged and all that. And I was working with Eden. That's my son. I was working from two weeks before I gave birth, taking clients till nine at night. Dave would come with two of my baby girls and pick me up from the city. And I was like in like just in a crazy probably stressed out happy, but stressed, very stressed.

We didn't know where we were going to live. We were looking for a home. School was starting. I remember just getting like anxiety, which I've never physically manifested like that before. So I gave birth six weeks after my cousin, someone very close to me, passed away from cancer. And that just was a very, very big trigger. something. I don't know what happened, but I got really sick with Hashimoto's thyroid disease. I didn't feel

like myself. It was, it was really just such a depressing. My little baby saved me because he was just so perfect and like, thank God I had him. He comforted me, but it was really hard. The dealing with Hashimoto is when you first get it, you're like, you think it's the end of the world and you're like, what am I going to do? You're lost. You're going to do. You're lost. You're going to doctors. They're telling you synthroid for the rest of your life. There's nothing you can do about it. So they gave me. I still don't feel good. I knew there has to be something deeper. You know, so I kept kind of searching for healing ways, but I was working very hard at the same time, very hard. Because you get a wave and you want to ride it. You know, you don't want to stop. So it was like

work, work, work, work, me on the back burner. And then a year after that, you know, you don't want to stop. And then a year after that in 2019, during ovulation, I started, I had a weird pain down my bone. So this was the first time. This was the summer before COVID. And it was radiating down my bone and I was like out for two days with ovulation. I always had ovulation pain. So I was like, okay, I'll go to a gynecologist. I went to the gynecologist, she checked me. I thought maybe a cyst, I don't know, something, nothing. It would happen only during ovulation for the next couple of months. Then I was just working. Things were good. We signed on the new location. Everything's good. COVID hits. A month into COVID, excruciating pain, starting from my lower back and radiating down my leg. Like pain, like you can't imagine,

I didn't sleep for a year and a half. It was like somebody was stabbing me with a knife. And I was just the stupidest person to just not, to be like, this is chronic and it's normal. And I'll just have to deal with it. And no, you know, like, I don't know what was wrong with me. I just don't know. Maybe you didn't want to confront what was going on with you. I think my, I think deep down I knew it was cancer.

Really? I do. I believe you because you're so intuitive. I really do because I'll tell you why because when I opened we were doing renovation we had a gut renovation on this place so it's taking time to open when we can finally open the doors this was October a year before diagnosis and I said to myself I said I spoke to God I'm not I'm not religious I was like please God like if this is cancer just give me a year Just give me a year to deal with it, to enjoy the spa, to enjoy this creation, to enjoy my family, whatever.

Just I'm not ready to deal with it yet. And it was literally a year from that time that I just couldn't walk anymore. So what do you do when you feel like your world is crumbling? Like what doctor did you go to? How did you get the actual full diagnosis? I went to another physical therapist who said this doesn't look right. And I was like, how can they tell by the way it looks?

It was there was 13 centimeters in diameter. Oh, wow. I have, it was half of my femur and full hip replacement. Yeah. So it was like you could see it. You can see it. Could you see it in clothes? It was weird a little bit, but it was weird because it was in the,

it was mostly in my hip area that it almost could look like they thought bursitis. swelling because it wasn't necessarily hard. When it became really hard was when it started to engulf here. And I felt like a bump. So what did your husband say while all this is going on? He was just like, he didn't know what to do. He was scared, but he was like, it's not cancer. Like, it's not cancer. You know, he, there. And then the night before my appointment, I ended up watching a documentary with a woman who had bone cancer. And I was like, she named all the symptoms that I had and I was like, I looked at Dave and I was like, it's cancer, you know. It was so crazy, but I went to the, I went to a spine specialist who I hate this day. But I went to him and he didn't really say much.

He was like, I'm going to call you, but we'll figure it out. And that night he's like, listen, I was going out for drinks with a friend and he called me at nine at night. And he was like, I forwarded your images to you have to come in as soon as possible. So I was like, it's my holy holiday tomorrow, young people. Like, I'm not religious, but I do observe that. And I'm like, can I wait? He's like, I just don't know what you're religious. Like, you shouldn't wait.

You need to come in. And I was tests right away. And they said it is most likely the most aggressive form osteosarcoma. I think that having three children and a full-time business, and a husband, it's so much pressure, especially on a woman. It's your body. It's so many different things. In a way, I felt a relief because I found out what it was. And like, I knew, like, I just wanted the pain gone. Like, I could not deal with the pain anymore. It was at that point, I also, they were talking about amputation. So I was like, just get me into surgery and, like, get this out. So

they did a biopsy and it actually, they called me in, they did the MRI, the pets, they do everything to really make sure, you know, the diagnosis is correct. And they're like, great news. It's not in your lungs. So it hasn't spread. I'm like, how? How is it that big? And it hasn't spread. And it's not osteosarcoma. It's a slow-growing tumor called chondrosarcoma. There's no chemotherapy or radiation, it's just a surgery. So I was like, wow, he's like, the surgery is not easy. It's, it's one of the most difficult recoveries. You will probably limp for the rest of your life, which is, I do, I limp. It was really hard. It was really hard. So I got like hooked on the drugs because it was so painful, like, but I detoxed after a month. And I made myself get off of that shit.

This is something that's not talked about enough. And I think that maybe you can add to this conversation. So many people go through certain surgeries where they break their leg or whatever it is. And they get addicted to the pain medication. And you're also simultaneously going through this. So the pain medication is probably soothing. I was loving. Yeah.

You're loving. The first time in a year and a half that I haven't felt pain. Right. But not just pain probably physically, right? Yeah. Emotionally. Yeah. Totally.

So when you're in that, at what point do you know that you're addicted to the pain medicine? They kept telling me, we need to scale back. And I said, no, I'm in, the pain when it wore off, you cannot let it wear off. Because the pain was like something undescribable, you know? So is it like a burning pain or is it like an aching pain? You can't describe it. It was like, you don't have a leg. childbirth? Nothing to it compared. Oh my God. I love contractions. I know. I kind of like it too. I like it. I was

like this is happening. Yeah. It's happening. It's progressive. Yeah. And it's like a good thing. It's not like it's like a good pain. So like you'd rather give birth all day long. All day. All day. I rather be pregnant. Give birth. I rather all that all day long. Yeah. Okay. Nobody wants to. I, I can't believe what like, I got a taste of what people go through like athletes and stuff like that. Like with injuries and and this was. Just imagine two bones, basically, like two that are back like this. It's not like it was my hip going into two different. It was two bones that are next to each other that need a replacement. So it's just the recovery is very difficult. It's very different. You know, so I was, they were, to their credit, they were trying, they were trying to get me off. But they didn't say, listen, you're going to get addicted.

They didn't say that. So I was like, I'm not going to get addicted. Why would I get addicted to the drugs? And then I went home and something really weird. I don't know if you know of this, but something called parosmia. Do you know of that from COVID? Oh, thank God you don't know about that. It was actually like one of the worst things I've ever experienced in my life.

It had to be during my recovery too. Unfortunately, it was I got COVID in. August right before I was diagnosed and I lost my smell and taste came back and it's this thing that after two months of or three months of COVID you develop this thing where everything that you taste and smell is like sewage chemicals burn toast like something that is the most you've never heard of it. I think I had that. Does it taste like metal? Does it taste like metal? Yeah, but that could be one of them. But it could be very mild of only a couple of things.

Or it could be real. You would know if you. That's exactly. I thought it was pregnancy. It's it, it, you know that taste in pregnancy that metallic. It's the worst. Every single thing smells. Even like you, I would give Saza a kiss. Yeah. Yeah. And like, it's the hair with. I couldn't stand my children smell. It's the weirdest thing. I couldn't even stand. boiling water. I couldn't stand shower water. I couldn't stand my own breath, my body odor, and I didn't, nobody smells anything. So what exactly is it? It's when the rewiring is off. So you lose it. And then things get put back together, but wrong. So a strawberry doesn't taste like a strawberry. It tastes like. That is exactly what I have. And it takes how long to,

it's kind of, it takes nine months and up, but my mom's in acupuncture. She did acupuncture three times a day on the olfactory nerve. I did homeopathy, came back 70% within a month. I was, I was so depressed for a week. So what happens? It just takes a while for the brain to rewire back to what it's supposed to years. You know what the worst smell out is? Rain. Everything, everything, water. Rain. Rain. The air outside. Yeah. You cannot explain it and you never looked at it up. I thought it metal taste during pregnancy because I was pregnant. Are you a pregnant? So I thought it was pregnancy.

So I'm like every, there's an episode. You can go back and listen. I'm like, this pregnancy's been so easy, but everything tastes like metal. But then when I had the baby, everything still smelled and tastes like metal. It's parosomyia. And even like, even my like. Do you still have it? It comes back.

Yeah, sometimes. Like certain things will trigger it. Yeah. But then it goes away. It is like something's trying to rewire. Yeah. Yeah, that's, sorry, that is exactly what I had. It's the worst.

Go on. It really, and, and, and I don't know. Why you look at me like you're mad at me about it? She looked at me like she's mad like I just. You didn't have to go through it. I was like, why didn't Dave have to go through that? Why did I have to go through that? I do this and you have to go through everything you're going through.

I thought it was the drugs. That's what made me get off the drugs, but that was, that's how things works for you. I was like, wow. You're not going to have that bite of dessert, pass it over here. Exactly. Exactly. Certain things I loved, like oranges. Like I love oranges.

And all of a sudden, it was off putting. Everything, chocolate, coffee. My parents would cook because everyone was there. They would cook in the house and I'd have to lock myself in the room. And I was just so depressed about it because I love food. And I, and then I was recovering and I needed to eat good. You're looking at me like I didn't. No, but I'm just, I'm annoyed because.

She can't believe that she didn't know that this was actually. No, I'm annoyed at him. Is she looking at you because you didn't believe her? I'm annoyed. him. There's a lot of rewiring that needs to go on in here sometimes. I'm annoyed me. She's looking at me like she's mad because she was describing this, but I don't know what this was. And she wasn't. Were you describing it back then? And he, I'm like, yeah, that sucks. But what do you want to, you know? But things are off putting. But

keep in mind, I'm pregnant. So I'm like, it's really bad. I was never saying it wasn't true. It's depressing. I believed the symptoms. But I was like. You're right, though. The air even smells like it. If someone like, the dog would pee and like the smell of pee is not the same. No, my actually, this is actually, those things didn't smell bad. Certain things. Like, like, pee didn't smell like, those things didn't smell bad. It was weird. Yes, you're saying, she's saying that like pee, like how pee smells bad in real life. It smelled like, like fruit. Yeah, it didn't, it doesn't smell. So it's like, here, I know what you're talking about. So I wonder, this is me, listen, I'm no scientists, you know, some, some think I am, but I'm just telling me when I'm not. You're very smart.

You are. Well, well, thank you. I'll take that. Boost that clip up, please. No, I think what it sounds like is it maybe takes things that sense that you're attracted to and makes, and turns them off. Like, and things that maybe you're, yes, because the kids and even my husband's spheromones, which I love. Like, Dave couldn't wear cologne. He still can't wear cologne. Maybe your brain is saying I like that. Now your brain's telling you don't like that. For sure. That is weird. For sure. It was everything that I loved. I could only eat right, like white rice, not eat. I couldn't eat anything. And I had to nourish my body. It was bad. It was bad. Steemed vegetables were okay. We found things that worked. But is this a result of like long COVID or COVID? Exactly. Do you know what the best thing ever for it is?

Because I thought, remember, I thought it was pregnancy. Umongy plums. What is it called? Plums. It's a plum sauce from Asia. I'm going to send you the link. It's a plum sauce and you put it on your rice. Oh yeah?

And it's and it offsets the taste. And I was eating at my own. I hope I never have to deal with that again. I had to clip my nose with one of those things when I ate. You have no idea. How about it is? Oh, my God. I'm so sorry.

So why do some people get this and some people don't? We've both got COVID. It's like a symptom of long COVID. I don't know. It's like some people, I don't know. But it does go away for good. It went away for me. But I've done so much healing to the point where it's like ridiculous to, of course it's

going to go away. Somebody did describe this. They said it takes certain brains longer to rewire than others. as a result. It has nothing to do with your brain power. Just some brains, like, they can't rewire as fast as as others after. I heard a couple of things about it. You have to tell me what you did off there. I was like acupuncture right away. Right away. My mom was sticking me with needles three times a day. Let me ask you this. Do you have a really strong sense of smell and taste normally? Yeah. Yeah. Because see, I don't have, I've had my nose broken. I don't even know how many times.

And my sense of smell and taste, I think, has been impacted because of that since it's just because, like, you don't have your And she has a super strong sense of smell and taste. So I wonder if it's people that have stronger tastes than others that this impacts. I just feel like they're the lucky ones. I had almond milk in my coffee every single day for my whole life. And one day I was like almond milk's disgusting. I just want black coffee. Yeah.

Yeah. Which is actually probably better for you. I wanted coffee so bad. I couldn't do any of it. I couldn't even do. Thank God I actually could do water. Drinking water was not bad. So simultaneously as you're going through this taste and smell situation, which is horrific, you also are healing from what you're going.

I thought it was the drugs. That's what made me get off the drugs. And that's what I'm saying. Thank God for parosmia. Because I was not planning on getting off. I didn't think that they were going to be addicting. I've never been addicted to drugs before or anything. I know people that on paper, like, you know, successful, have their faculties.

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and they just tell you, let's wait and watch or it's never going to come back or you have clear margins, you have no power. When you were meditating, did you do that work internally through the meditation? Not at first because I had just started and it was still hard for me. It's still a challenge. But now I'm able to go deep. But it was just another way to be like, wow, like everything is within us. Like everything, including our body's capability to heal. When you say your fucked up thoughts, what do you mean? I had so much fear. Well, like with your business in life? No. Like when it comes to love, to family, to business, to creating, I'm like, of course I'm going to do it.

I'm like such a manifester in that sense. I'm like, I'll do everything. Like, I know we'll get there. I'm not scared. When it comes to health, it's like I don't believe I could be healthy. Working on it, I've gotten far, but I didn't, I just didn't believe that I could be healthy. Where does that come from? I was born with, I was born with some things. Like, when I was born, I had surgery right away for a urinary reflex. I was like five years in the hospital on and off with surgeries when I was a kid.

Yeah. So because back then there were, you know, my mom, my parents were young. They just took me to this doctor and he kept messing up on the surgery. So I had a lot of UTIs. They put me on antibiotics for 10 years of my life, destroyed my gut. Things that we know we would never do, you know. But your parents don't know, but they don't know. No.

So, so I had a lot of fear with doctors. I'm unpacking all. of that right now with healers, with therapists, all year. All year has been like a year of awakening. And I think I was yearning for that. And I think cancer is like a tap on the shoulder. Like, wake up. Hashimoto's wasn't enough to wake me up. Cancer woke me up. So now when you sit and think about your health, do you think about all the things that can go right as opposed to all the things that can go wrong? Yeah, I do. I do. I'm not out of the woods. Like, you know, the fact that I am even here, me a year ago, Donna a year ago, I would never

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taking clients is because I just want to focus on me right now. Like my healing protocol is so intense. It just takes up. I'm in the kitchen all day. It takes up all my time. Tell me about your healing protocol. I'm curious. I know that there's lots of different ways to skin a cat. And if you're not open-minded, maybe don't listen to this podcast because people do things differently and that's okay. That's what makes the world go around. Yeah. So tell us about your experience with healing. I feel like I don't talk about this too much because I know so many people are going through

hard stuff, cancer, other chronic diseases. I think it's worth it to talk about this stuff because even though it builds a little bit of camaraderie and community when people share the hard stuff they're going through. Because a lot of times when you're going through hard stuff, you feel like you're the only one that's going through hard stuff, right? for sure, which is why I did share, but you know sometimes when you also share some things, when you're still going through it, I'm so vulnerable in a way. I'm so, I don't want anyone's opinion or, you know, because people think they know everything. I never talk with absolutes.

Like that's the one thing that I just don't like, you know, like I am doing what right now. what I'm doing could change, could be wrong. I just don't want everyone's, you know, energy. Energy. Yeah. To come in the way of my process because I am very like, sometimes you know how it could be. People could say something online and you could be like, oh my God, you know, but I don't want, I don't need that right now. But I did choose to share because basically I work with a healer who was like,

She wasn't pushing me, but she was like, listen, at some point, it was boiling up inside of me. I wanted to share on Instagram. It really did to my community. This was last year. But I also was so scared. She was like, when you open yourself and when you share, you're going to receive. Not only will you be helping so many people, but you're going to receive so much information that you need.

We are here for each other in this world, you know? And so she really, she said it at the right time. She said it in the beginning, wasn't ready at all. Then she said it later. I was ready and I did it. I did the video. I came out with it. It was, it really did open up a whole new world.

And it all started with my tooth. So this is really interesting. I had a root canal when I was, right when I had Ella, my first baby, eight, nine years ago. Three months after she was born, I had six cavities and a root canal. And I was going through the, I was going to the dentist all year for cleanings. They didn't see anything. Sometimes in pregnancy, things can really mess up with your teeth. Oh, that's why they're always checking with.

Yeah, I heard this. So I was all throughout pregnancy, I was going to the dentist. And for some reason, it still happened, right? So, okay, so they do a root canal. I didn't know any better at the time. And again, like, this is controversial. Like, people are like root canals, they're safe. for me, my health literally started to decline after that. And I thought it was because of babies,

even my skin. You know, I had gotten to a point where my skin got so good after a horrible bout of acne when I was 19. And after Ella, it just started like, not bad, but like giving me problems again. And I know that when my skin gives me problems, I know there's something going on internally. I don't look for another cream or lotion to slap on my face. You know? So I know there's a root problem. So whatever, I was just going through the motions. Still felt okay, but off, off year by year by year. Go to this functional medicine doctor. He takes a stool test. This was last year, February. And he calls me and he's like, okay, you have a horrible bacterial infection in your mouth that we see the bacteria is in your gut.

So I was like, okay, he's like, did you have like wisdom teeth extractions or root canal or any mouthwork? He's like a root canal. He's like, when? I'm like seven and eight years ago. Okay, you have to go get a cone beam scan from a biological dentist. So now I'll only see biological dentists. What's that? See?

This is the crazy thing. Like, we should know this, you know? They try to get to the root. Like they won't. If you have a cavity, they're going to be like, what's the cavity? Exactly. like nutrition or all of it you know deficiencies like it's not like I used to think okay I'm brushing my teeth I'm doing all my dental hygiene but I have a cavity they'll fill it I have a root canal

they'll fill it they'll take care of it because people forget their teeth are part of their bone structure and it is huge because it's it's right there goes into your bloodstream it is I mean so the entryway to your gut is the bone from your leg that's on the left side but no but more than This just this will blow your mind. This will blow your mind. The tooth, I have a flipper there right now, by the way. What's a flipper? I don't have a tooth in my left side.

Like a like a, indenture. And I just don't care. So you shouldn't care. I don't. I really don't. Like I, it's weird what we just don't care about after. And no one's like, your teeth look great. So, so he's like, that's on your side.

It's on the thyroid meridian. It's the thyroid meridian. So it's an energy blockage. So I had Hashimoto's and it takes time to develop. Because what is, what is a, so he explained to me. And if you, you never seen the documentary root cause. No. Oh, so good.

They pulled it from Netflix. So it's on. Why do they pull it from Netflix? Why? Why? I don't know, you know. And when I went to my dentist who I love, who I've seen my whole life and told him that they think this, you know, take x-rays, he was like, I took x-rays and you don't have anything.

He's like, that's nonsense. I was like, so they can't see it on a regular x-ray. It has to be a 3D panoramic called a cone beam scan. And literally when he put, I went to Texas to Marble Falls. You guys live in Texas. Yeah, should we go to this dentist? My God, he's the best. He's the best.

You're so lucky I would go there. Okay, you have to send me the info. So it's attached to your thyroid. It's attached to your bone. It's not attached to my bone. it is on the meridian of the thyroid, but it's on the left side. So I link them. But the tooth is the bone, right? Yes. Well, more and more people are starting to talk about this. I know Ben Greenfield's been talking about it. Yeah. Yeah, more, I think more people, especially

cavities, root canals, stuff like that, they are linking. But to your point, and I don't blame the world of dentists, there's a lot of amazing dentists, but a lot of them are going to fix aesthetic problems or fill cavities or clean, like, you know, they're maybe not looking further under the hood into your structural system, into your bone system, right? Until your diet. They didn't learn it in school. Here's my question, though.

When the biological dentist tells you this information, you have the information, but what can he do for it? You have to pull the tooth. So he pulled the tooth. So he's, and you got to do it right. If you got an infection, you were done, you were dead, right?

It's like a splinter. He told me if this was an infection, and it's called a silent infection because you don't feel it. So it's one of the most dangerous that fester in your, your body because it's silent. There's no alarm bells. But people's skin issues. But the root canals. People have skin issues from root canal. People have from wisdom teeth extract because you have an

active infection. So what he thought is that you have an active infection brewing in your in your body for a good nine years. Your immune system has been busy trying to take care of that active infection. That's a serious infection. And we all have cancer cells. And so it's just a perfect environment for cancer to thrive. And so it's just something. It's just another piece of the puzzle. I don't know if it's the root. I think it's a big piece of the puzzle. And I addressed it right away. So you pulled the tooth. So I got my body right. I prepared for it. I went to Texas. They pulled the tooth. They don't do. He's amazing. I wasn't. swollen, no pain, no nothing. It really has to be done right. Like there's, there are doctors in New York.

There's a big doctor in New York who I hear great things about, but it's a different methodology. I think he does like bone graft. And I heard, I don't know, it was like a little bit painful for some people. So I just wanted to go to the best, had a great experience, started feeling automatically different, like less tired, less fatigue. And I remember just coming home and just like crying. Like something was like taken out and it was like like we closed a faucet. It's like a thorn and a hoof like you pull it out. And you just something feel you take a splinter out and your finger feels better. It's like that.

Like something was stuck. I don't know. It was like the beginning of everything because so when I started, so I started sharing my story in May or June. I got this out in July. And when I started sharing my story online, a lot of DMs came through being like, check this girl out. Check this. Check this.

You know, she also did this with her. So I checked out a girl who had also her thyroid cancer and had an accident. Her whole front teeth were knocked out. So that was the connection. She was going through this whole dental journey. But at the same time, I saw that she went to a clinic in Mexico. cancer. So I was like, what is this? That's what I'm saying. Things started coming to me because I'm open to receiving it at this point. I was like, I told Dave, I'm like, Dave, maybe I should go. I mean,

I know I don't have anything now, but maybe I should go because they're saying that can't cut cancer out, started doing research. They're like, you can't just cut cancer out. It's still there. just it's just getting bigger and it's going to it's going to explode and that's what happens with recurrences you know because there are stem cells there are cancer stem cells that are like the soldiers the bulk of the tumor it's it's normal cells even so did you decide to go to the mexico place so not yet so at that point i was getting tested every three months for my lungs because if this cancer comes back it comes back in my lungs oh my god so this is the first time I'm sharing this publicly. They did find something in my lung. I know. I know.

It's so crazy. But it's okay because I'm going to fucking beat it no matter what it is. I will. There's no other choice. There's no other choice than to have that mindset. And I think that you just have to keep thinking of your future. Think of the future every day. and I felt I feel better than I felt probably my entire life physically. So I know that things are happening, good things are happening. It was the best thing. It was the worst thing that ever happened to me, but it was the best thing that ever happened. And it's so hard to say that when you, you know, I can't even believe I say that, you know.

But it's the truth. It's just the truth. So they found something in my lung. a month after I found out about about this clinic. So I was like, okay, this is a sign. Like, I'm going to Mexico and learning everything I could. And I went for three weeks, had the craziest treatments, but it was just such a learning experience. Like everything we know is just so backwards. Like what? Like give us examples. Like nutrition doesn't just prevent. Nutrition heals. You can heal with nutrition. So what are they, what kind of things do they give? It's predominantly plant-based,

but it's no rules in that sense. It's not, it's more about not what you're cutting out. It's what you're putting in. Obviously, you're cutting out processed food, refined sugars. I mean, all that stuff is absolute poison. It's poison. It's toxic. And my whole life, I was like, you know, you're surrounded. We, we like to hear good, people like to hear good things about their bad habits. So like, you like something and you'll look for, for, for, for, for, for confirmation virus yes and i'm like that too we're all like that it's human nature but you start to hear these things and they start to to to make sense it's cancer is a sim is a system of the immune system malfunctioning that's all it is because we all have cancer cells so if you get

your immune system right by sleeping in this you know circadian rhythm meditation you know working you know on your mental and emotional state, getting sun in the morning, being out in nature, eating well. Eating well, meaning incorporating a variety and diversity of plants, like fruits and vegetables. Doesn't mean, I still eat fish and eggs like less, but it's what you add. And it's like, but forget that for a second. It's, it's, it, you can heal. I mean, I know these stories. That's the community I'm in right now. A lot of people blame. food and technology and the things that we have access to for their health problems. But I think a bigger problem is that with the free flow of information, especially on the internet, there's also

greater pockets of people who are validating terrible behaviors. And listen, this is not a commentary on people's bodies, but just if you look at it from a pure health perspective, I know what you're saying. There's people that you know from a health perspective, from a scientific perspective, are making poor metabolic choices or poor dietary choices or poor, you know, mindset choices. And And then you have a portion of the world that is validating that behavior. And it's complete confirmation bias where you look at someone who's maybe not taking care of their body or their mind or what they're putting in their body. And then you have a group of people saying, that's okay.

We accept you as you are. That's good for you. And you have a whole bunch of other people doing that. And you wonder why the world's getting sicker. It's because more and more people are validating terrible behavior. Right. But when you think about it in your own life, like you would never tell your own children to behave that way.

Exactly. And so I think it's very dangerous because years and years ago, if you would have started taking poor actions or poor behaviors in your life, the community would have called you on it, right? Especially when we're living in a more tribal environment. That's a very, it's a complex subject, but it's true, right? Like if you take poor care of your body and your mind and your health and you put things that shouldn't be there in there, you're going to have a very difficult time. You're going to get sick or you're going to get more out of sugar. But look how many people are sick. Yeah.

And so people look and they go, oh, it's just. just the stuff. It's blame McDonald's, blame Coca-Cola. It's not that. It's that you're having people that aren't taking no self-accountability and then other people telling them that's okay. And he's saying this is going to piss a lot of people off. And I know. It's such a touchy subject because that is the world we live in right now. But I'm sorry. Like it's not about vanity. Like this is not about how we look. You know, how is your blood sugar. How is your, how is your, how is your, how is everything functioning? Forget how you look for a second.

Because that's not what I'm talking about, you know? How do you feel? I meet what, every other woman I meet has an autoimmune disease nowadays. It's really, really, really like an epidemic. Listen, again, like, there's more people off. But if you look at the effect of COVID on this country in particular, why it was so detrimental is you have so many people whose immune systems are already so compromised that they're not able to handle any kind of new infection that comes in their body. It's not strong enough.

Lauren and I got a lot of shit for it during COVID. I was not worried about it personally for myself. Of course, I was worried about people in. But I was like, listen, here's why. I'm young. I took care of myself. I'm conditioning myself. I'm working on. I'm doing things every day that are not comfortable to do so that when things like that happen, I'm in hopefully a position to be able to combat it. Now, again, I know that's not for everybody, but wouldn't we be in a better position as a society and country to be like, okay, listen, this is probably not the first or last time something like this is going to happen. So we need to do everything to be able to put our immune system in a strong position so that when this happens again, you have the function to combat it,

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And you still are very, I mean, very positive about it and very stoic. It seems like almost you know that it's going to be okay. I can't explain it. It's an energy. But it wasn't like that this whole time. Like I've had like horrible, horrible, horrible. I mean, that's what I'm saying that it's a very, very, when I say take care of yourself, it's just look within in every facet of your life, you know, like the stress, we know,

stress, okay, take care of your stress. No, like really like if you're living a stressful life, take care of your stress. Because I know that it impacted my health, you know. so and I know because now I'm just not stressed and I know how I feel. I just know the the how extreme it was like that and now how I feel but when I do you think you're not stressed because now you know the effect of what stress was doing to you or is it just because you've think people were stressed like a badge of honor. Yes. Especially in the city. I was like it was a hustle culture. I was like I'm working nine to nine with babies. I don't need a nanny. I don't need a nanny. I.

I don't need a housekeeper. I could do everything by myself. No. Like, no, you know, I'm not going to see 100 clients. I'm going to, because I didn't drink. I didn't eat. I didn't, I didn't, I didn't pee during my work. Like, it was just self-abused. It was self-sabotage. And we, we wear it like a badge of honor, especially in this, in the city. People make fun of me all the time because of my morning routine. I love my morning. Yeah, they think my morning routine is extravagant and they make fun of my nighttime routine. And it's probably absurd. But the way that I look at that routine is it is preventing me from stress.

You're so smart though. I'm sorry. You are so smart. You're mad because I have an extensive morning routine. Everything I do is setting me up to be more effective on the hours that I work. I don't care if something. takes me three hours in the morning, if that's going to...

It's okay. You should. It should. The truth is too, and this is like, I guess when I think about the periods of our life and, you know, almost 40 now with multiple kids and different ventures and it's like... You're literally not almost 40, though. That's like so... How old?

He's 36. I'm almost 40. That's over there. I'm older than you. Oh. You don't look older than you. You look older. You look older.

You're older. How old are you? 36. Oh. Life doesn't get easier as you go, right? Like, more responsibilities. Like, I think. I think about how stressed I was at 25, 28.

And I look back and like, I didn't have to worry about shit then. I didn't have a kid. I wasn't married. Like, I didn't like the business. If it failed, like, who cares you're a 25 year old kid. You get further along like, okay, I got a wife. I got two kids I got to think about. I got other people rely on me.

I'm employing people. I got the stakes go higher and higher. So if you can't figure out how to manage it from a young age, it's not going to get better. You got to like, you got to take care of it early because your immune system is going to get weak. Like my immune system now is weaker, even if I'm taking care of myself than it was at 25. because I'm older and it's going to get worse and worse and worse. So you've got to manage that early or else you're setting yourself up for a lot of pain in life.

You guys like almost knew that you had to. I know that you guys left L.A. and for a more calm, right, life, like a more... I've known from a young age and it sounds like you have two maybe in a different way, but similar. I've learned and I don't know if this is something from childhood, how to protect my energy. If you would have met me at 25. He was a little different. His journey's.

No, no. If you didn't get me 25 to 30, I was a complete stress case. I wasn't calm at all. I was always in a pant. Right? And now it's funny because I don't remember the last time I got even a little bothered by. I used to say to him, there's no saber tooth tiger. What is that?

There's no saber tooth tiger. I don't know that. Meaning like I'm looking around for the danger all the time. Instead of like enjoying the present, it was always like, where's the tiger in the room? But that's, it's just like how we're conditioned. Yeah. It's really crazy. And all the time, Lauren calls it made up stress, looking for things.

And now it's funny because there's a lot more stressful things that happen, but they don't bother me in the same way. Because you have this, your lifestyle habits and everything that you guys do, it's to release the stress, it's to relieve the stress. You guys do disconnect. You must with everything that you're doing. You must disconnect. Oh. Yeah, but it's, you know, I think people don't realize how much we do. You must.

But I guess what I'm saying is because, like, I always try to like bring this back home. to the audience is listening like, Lauren and I are not perfect. We have not always figured out. And there's still a lot we have to figure out. But this was an active thing that we had to figure out. Because like I said, if you would have met me before this show existed,

2530, I was a fucking stress case mess. That's what I'm saying. But everybody can do it. Right. I'm like people write to me, like, that, who don't know my story and I hate this,

like they'll write like relatable or like it's like it's not relatable. Like I can't do this. Not everybody could do what you're doing. You know what? Everyone should be doing what I'm doing. You can if you wanted to. You can. It doesn't have to be exactly the same, but you can. No, like they'll say like, oh, Lauren, you're cold plunging. Okay, well, 10 years, I took a freezing cold shower instead. Exactly. I want to clarify something too, because I know there's people listening and they're going to say, well, yeah, easy for you to say because there's success in financial means. Let me tell you something. Any kind of success in financial means, like it does, like, yes, from an optionality perspective, it makes, easier, but it is actually way more stressful. Because before, if I'm building a balance sheet

or building a company and it was just Lauren and me, the worst that can happen if something goes wrong is Lauren and I figure something else out. When you have children and you have employees and you have people that are relying on you for their life and their living and their families reliant on you for their life and living, you're not only carrying your personal stress, but every decision that we make as employers now, I have to consider how that affects everybody that's working with us. Right. And so if you don't battle armor yourself up enough, to be able to handle stress, you're not going to be able to take care of not only yourself, but everybody else that's relying on you to take care of yourself. And this is why I tell people

all the time, like, it does no good for me in the position that I'm in to run around stress and panicking because that's going to cause stress and panic in other people's lives. And if something goes astray, it's going to have a real effect on people that are not just myself. 100%. When you made the decision, it sounds like it was a decision to live a less stress. life. What did that look like? It was also just like, again, finding the discovering the power within me to become the best version of myself that I could possibly become, to live my happiest life, to live like a fulfilled life, my purpose, whatever it is. So after I went to Mexico, I came back and this is really a hard time at that point because the amount of things that I have to

do. I mean, you want to know like details? Yeah, I know you like the details. You like the, I want every little detail. I want every little brand. Okay. So we're talking about enemas. Yeah. We're talking about I was doing daily on enemas, which take like a nice two hour situation in the morning. And is it coffee enema or regular? Coffee enema. So enema, it's not to clear your bowels. It's too. So, okay, I had to go predominantly plant-based. And like, I'm talking about like an abundance of fruits and vegetables, abundance and like variety. It's not just eating a salad. It's not, it's like juicing six times a day. I turned a little orange from the, the carrot, which is fine. I like it. It's kind of like a little glow. It's really good for the skin, too.

so anyone who has breakouts, they should do carrot juice. Eating like only from 10 to 6, so intermittent fasting, sleeping at 930, 10 o'clock tops, waking up at 5.30, having a little, like I love my morning routine. I have a date with Dave in the morning, a coffee day before the kids wake up. It's our time to dream and talk and just be together. You know, in the warmer months, we go outside, sunrise, all that. And then I start food prep right away, like 7 o'clock in the morning. I'll start my food prep for I'll make the coffee enema, going to my bathroom, the enema, basically,

I have to do it because with all of the plants and the fruits and vegetables that I'm eating, the diet is very detoxifying in itself. So if my body is breaking down any dead tissue, like tumor, it has, it can't overburden my liver. Wow. So the enameas. So it's getting it out. Yeah. Well.

Very. To me that makes a lot of sense. And there is a bit, there's a really important like, there's glutathitis. There's so much happening with enemas. And then I also do colonic, which I love. And I do hyperthermia, which is like a sauna, but deeper penetrating. It works on the immune system kills cancer cells, but not. Glutothion.

No. So when you do enema, it releases glutathione. So you have, like 700 times or something. So you have to supplement for it? it? No, she's saying it releases Lutothion into your body. Oh, okay. Your own glutathion. It creates, it creates glutathione.

Hmm. Bend over, bitch. I'm not going to give you an edema right now. You could use some glutathione. Instead of taking those packets, bend over. No, but I think a lot of people don't talk about it. I swear I had a feeling that if it went this way, this would. Dave wants to do it.

They should. They all should do it. He's going to go to you and he's going to want to do an admo. You know, weirder things have happened with you. Okay, so you're doing coffee enema in the morning. That's releasing glutathione. And this is like every morning, but for a very short time, it's not, you know, it was when I was really heavily detoxing at first.

Definitely just so everyone knows, don't do that every day. And also don't do it if you're not eating right. And go to a doctor. Oh, yeah. Go to your own research. This is not like telling anyone to do anything. It's your journey. It is.

and and you cannot do it if you're malnourished. You cannot, you have to replenish your body. My body is getting so, like if I told you what I had today, tell me. Already. I had two juices with cilantro, parsley, lemon, ginger, celery, cucumber, arugula, microgreens. And then I had a smoothie because I need to digest eat better,

like it's better for me to digest the food. Like my body can't work too hard right now. It needs to focus on healing. Makes sense. So I blended tomato, pepper, parsley, lettuce, garlic cloves, onion, squeeze of lemon, some dulcei, dulciflakes. I don't know how you say that. Like a bunch of vegetables and eat that. I'm just bad you didn't bring me one. It's kind of good actually. It's not gross. At first I was like, I don't know if I could do this. After having everything smell like metal, I'll eat anything. I know. This is actually good. I like it. And it's like the juicing is like a people are like juicing is not good because the fiber is that there is a, you're juicing for a reason and you're blending for a reason. That makes sense. Juicing is like goes straight to your to your system. It's like a nutrient shot to your system. And I just love making. I love being in the kitchen. I love it. It's creative. I can't believe how many options you have. I love the beans. I love the look. I love all of.

it. Then I had a smoothie with a bunch of things inside. I had like nuts. I had a lot. And this is from in like a span of two out. I could see you doing like a cookbook. Maybe. Because you are so good with your hands. They want to know what I'm eating all the time. Yeah. And it's a lot of time because of because I'm, I'm thin. But what people do understand is that I've always been thin. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, and don't focus on that. Don't focus on that. I really don't tell people. I don't talk a lot about diet because it almost seems like they want to know it because of weight loss, but it has nothing to do for me with weight loss at this point in my life. You are incredible.

Thank you. You guys, she's been in my book. You also have tools. If someone was to start with one tool, I'm just going to recommend mine first. Then you could recommend yours. I have your tool, by the way. It's really good. I bought it.

That means a lot to me. Great. Thank you. Coming from you. It is. I had to see it. The guisha. I have that.

I use it all the time. I love it with an oil. It's my baby. It's incredible to depuff. And this is so weird, but I don't think you're going to think it's weird. It's also the guishaw that you sell is very grounding. And what I mean by that is I can actually feel you're going to like the ions of it. No.

Because it's stone. It has such an energy. Okay. Are you kidding me? I purposely sought that out. because because this is like it's it's such a sacred time you know for us to do to be with ourselves to do the guasha and so if the stone also has this power this energy not only will you want to do it more often but it's just going to elevate the experience okay and and and the the angles of it all of it

it is just so it was for a reason it's the most beautiful and it's it's the shape of a foot and that has meaning it's like you know our journey in life you know what's going to happen We're going to go home and Michael's going to say, where's the Guasha you guys were talking about and start using? This always happens on the podcast. You have to do what I'm doing guasha on you today. I can't wait. Yeah. So good.

Well, listen, thank you for coming on here and being vulnerable. I think like it's not an easy thing to do. I always, you know, we have a lot of people on the show and I always think the best ones are when people come on and just share their story. And I think it's like I don't think you realize at the time, but you never know who's listening and who can help. I know. It takes courage to do it. So thank you. where can everyone find you? I really think that a lot of people would put you in as a visual

creator. And while I do think you are a visual creator, everyone should go to her Instagram and see it. You also have a lot to say. So this podcast, we focused a lot on your health, but you have this whole other aspect, which is visual. So where can we go see the visuals of you doing facial massage? It's all on my Instagram. I mean, I do have TikTok as well, but yeah, at Noi skincare. People think my name is Noi, but. No, Donna. Donna. Donna. Not Dana.

No. Not Dana, not Dana. It's just a very weird spelling. But I was born in Israel, so when we moved her, my parents messed that name up. I mean. But I like it. I'm into it. Yeah, I like different.

Yeah. Zaws is different. I love your children. They have to meet your children. The eyes. You'll probably get that all the time. People think we Photoshop the eyes. The size of the eyes.

I thought I had big eyes. You have big eyes. Her grandmother had like the eyes, like Lauren's got big eyes, but those eyes do they have? I think her grandmother's eye. They don't mind. I mean, look, I can't see shit out of these things. Right? I barely see you over there.

No, like, it's her grandmother's size. You would have a field day with his skin, huh? He has great skin. His great skin. But these men with their skin, like, they don't have to do anything and they have good skin. Dave doesn't do anything besides the oral care. Well, listen, I looked like I was like scraper. off the floor about seven years. I get to come, I get to talk to people like yourself all the time,

right? So I mean, you'd have a field day. Like, I feel like you could really lift his skin because it's already like like with your facial massage. Listen, I like aging. I know it's weird, but I like it. I don't know what to say. A lot of people think I do injections. Please, Lauren, I will, you have to touch my face and just put it out there once and for all. I'm sitting here with you in person under harsh light. I mean, there's no injection. No. I could tell that you skull. I mean, I will also say it's genetic. Like my mom has the, no, you can't just get this a jaw without doing surgery or something. Everyone thinks everyone does.

I like aging, but I want to be like a hundred years old and look like I'm 70. So you focus on your internal terrain. Yeah, so I'm trying to think like, okay, I don't mind aging. Should we massage his balls to keep them supple like his face? If you like this, you can listen. you are such a good wife. Yeah. You really are.

It does work, right? I never thought about massaging days. But if they're going... For lifting. They're going to sacks. You know, Lauren. You don't want me to age. We better get back to the hotel.

Do you ever get embarrassed? Do I? Like, we don't know each other. Listen, no, okay. I do the same thing to do. I get embarrassed in, but no, I think it's amazing. It takes a lot to get me. Like, sometimes people go, I can't believe the way she talks to husband.

I'm like, listen. No. Is your husband not up tight? Like, loosen up, buddy. But what I'm saying is that's, that's the most amazing type of, of relationship in my opinion. Well, I find her sense of humor funny, right? And I think that's the thing is like, I rip a lot of, yeah. I think like if I didn't find like, I mean, one, we probably wouldn't be together. But I think my wife is funny and I don't care if it's at my expense because I don't think it's like she's not. Oh, I couldn't date someone that was too sensitive. Can you imagine? Listen, I sometimes I'm peeing from you guys from your up, the things that you say to him. I find myself laughing. It's funny. It's funny. Well, some people I think it's, I mean, there's a weird like. I mean, there's a weird, like, you know, I mean, there's a weird, like, I mean, like, I mean, I mean, I'm. I mean, I mean, like, I mean, I like male-female dynamic where like some women feel they could never say certain things to their husbands and vice versa. It's just personalities I think. Yeah. I think that this whole episode though just proves

that everyone doesn't have to be like everyone else. It's true. The thing is I would steamroll. And still be friends with someone. This is going to be. How about that? 100%. We don't all have to be like that. I love that. I love that. I don't know why. If I date a woman that doesn't kind of give it to me as good as I give it to her from a, you know, like, that sounds, what's happening? And how lucky are our kids, too, to be, in terms of like, to have just like, you know, that we're not up tight. I don't want the house mouse, right? I want somebody that's going to like, you know, kind of, like, call it on my shit.

I like that. It's like, I want somebody that's like, hey, buddy, you're not that great. Like, get it together, right? Because if not, I'm going to steamroll somebody. So you don't like it's happened in the past. So you don't like his aging. I mean, I just think as you age, if the balls are going to get longer and longer and longer if we can do something about it that's preventative.

You should come out with a tool. Maybe like an ice bucket for you to t-bag every day. Your ginger tea today just put your balls in the bucket. Can you go out with the guasha that's shaped like a penis? Hey, listen, maybe put that on Instagram and see how that's received. That's that. I mean, I think people would receive that well. Why not?

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